January 15, 2025 • 25 mins
This week on Jordan & Jake, the guys catch you up on all the NFL playoff action from Super Wild Card Weekend, react to the College Football Playoffs, look back at Jordan's NFL combine performance, discuss some of the most underrated Panthers and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, Jordan and Jake, I'll go good.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm excited, ready to go the bump stops.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
He throws at a crossfield.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Guess who, George Gross, here are your panther Hall of
Honor remembers Jordan Gross and Jake Dillome. So, Jake, we
were talking off the air. Funny enough, I had written
down in my show notes to bring this up, talking
about being in like our health right. So here's where
(00:33):
this started. I'm coaching Waits this morning with my high
school kids, and I got one kid who had shoulder
rotator cuff surgery, right, and so he's all going through that.
He's got one arm, he can lift one arm that's
all weak, right, And I said, he's asking me, coach,
you think I'll be back for next season. I said, buddy,
you are in like the peak time of when your
(00:55):
body is going to be able to put on muscle, right,
like eighteen years old. The guys at Junie You're about
to be a senior next year. So he asked me,
when were you in the best shape of your life?
And so I thought, you know what, that is a
good question, and I'm going to bring that up. When
we talked to Jake and you're talking about doing just
health screening and stuff that the NFL offers. So funny
(01:15):
we start with that. So here we go. Since it
is the postseason for the Panthers and things, you're gonna
kind of quiet. I'm gonna start with when were you
in the best shape of your life? Jake?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
The best physical shape? Like in shape? I think I
think he is high school because Jordan I was so light.
I was one hundred and sixty five pounds senior, So
I mean like you could run, you know, like so
but maybe not like it doesn't have to just be cardio.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay, like I guess, okay, let me rephrase this.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Okay, go ahead, When were you like the most bad
you know what, like strongest FoST bit, like the when
you think back and you're like, man, that was my
pinnacle knee?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
When was that me?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Without a doubt was my first second third year in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So twenty two to twenty four.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, I was twenty one when I was a rookie,
so like that's exactly right. Jordan, I went as a
senior in college, I weighed one hundred and ninety five pounds.
The next year as a rookie, with the Saints. I
weighed two hundred and twenty eight pounds. It's like I
started shaving more than twice a week, more than once
a week.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I just you know, physically, you just your body starts.
But that's there's no doubt from just the physical testing.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
That we did, the vertical jumps, the you know, the shuttles,
the forties and things like that, that without a doubt,
strength wise and everything else that those were.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
That's why where I felt the best.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I will say that I'm gonna say pretty much the
same thing, except for for me, it was combined free
draft combine. So I was twenty two as a senior,
so I got I got draft at twenty two. I
played my first NFL season at twenty three because I
was in college for five years. Yeah, Jake, I my
senior year of Utah, we didn't make a bowl game.
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So as soon as the regular season got over, which
was like Thanksgiving right or before, I moved down to
Arizona and was full time training for the combine three
days or three times a day, speed work, agility work,
strength work, recovery, pull, the whole thing. Nutrition. Jake, and
I can remember, just like when you're in a phase
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of life when you're young like that, you don't realize
how awesome you are physically, you know, until like for me,
typically like it's been in hindsight. However, I remember getting
ready for the combine thinking I am pretty dialed in here, Jake.
So it prompted me to pull up my combine test results.
If you don't mind if we take a trip down
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memory lane, Jake, you.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Okay with that?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I would love to hear these results.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So I always hit the combine six four and a half.
I always tell people I'm six five because I feel
like I was short at the combine, which probably is
not true. And if I was six four and a
half then I'm sure probably should have left. Well, I
always say six y five.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Listen, you're you're getting measured with barefooted heels together tolls up, So.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
That's how you're getting.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Measured absolute shortest.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yes, correct.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And I had the flu right before it, Jake. So
I worked like crazy to get up to three hundred,
and I was exactly three hundred pounds nice forty yard
dash five point oh five. I remember that was a
disappointment because I wanted to be I should have been
a four to nine eight guy.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, I thought you would have hit the four nine.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Really, I know, and I'd hit it in training, and
I probably was thrown off because I was under six '
five and it was played with my mind. Ten yard
dash though one seven, one ninety fifth percentile. Nice.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I figured.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I figured all these shuttles and ten yards you would
you would be on the level.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
This was my key one though, the five ten five,
You know, the short shuttle. You start, you start on
the five yard line straddling it. Boom, you go touch
the ten. You sprint back and touch the goal line
and through four point three four ninety nine point three percentile.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Okay, Jordan Gross, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
That was not bad. Vertical jump thirty one and a
half inches, okay, So that one I cheated?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Why is that you didn't raise your show?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
So yeah, it was in the old days. You would
have like the little vertical jump stick with the sticks
on it, you know, you jump up and yeah, whack it. Well,
to start off, you had to reach for them to
get like your standing reach height, and I was like
rolling my shoulders back and like slight knee bend. Maybe
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not cheating, I just was maximizing test results. Pretty smart
and my bench press twenty eight reps at twenty five.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, because we all know the bitch press really defines
what a football player is.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I mean exactly right.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I mean that's that, there's no doubt. I still don't
understand why they do.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That at the combine.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
To be some measurable of strength. Yeah, do power clean
well oh yeah, that's well yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Do power clean bitch press.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That power clean for max reps is going to blow you.
Like you do all these lifts, you do all this
stuff in a two day period. If you did a
max reps power clean to twenty five, you're gonna be
so blown out, Jake, I.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Agree, But I mean I just think that I don't
know nowadays they have to have some type of metric
where you're actually on a surface that they can measure
just force with feet into the ground, the explosion things
like that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
What about like that slid? What about like a sled
push for time?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
That'd be good. I like that. I just a bit press.
I just it still kind of amazes me, Like what
does that really do? Well?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
They kind to keep doing it because it's or what
are forty four year old former players going to do
when they pull up on the internet if there's not
bench press to talk about, right.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But yeah, I would say that's the peak, all right,
because after all, I got stronger. I got stronger after that.
But you just there's nothing like that, young twenty one
year old dude exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
So, uh, pull up my combined results.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
You didn't go to combine?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Okay, all right, next question, go ahead, Sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Okay, I can tell you this. I don't think you
would have been you. You would have probably you'd have
hopefully been faster than me. I would have been faster
than you in the shuttle.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I believe, I really truly doubt that.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You were sub four to three in the shuttle.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I feel very confident in my shuttle numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I'm not trying to be old guy patting myself in
the back, but I'm very, very, very confident that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Well, I just broke the internet as I googled Jake
Delone combine results because there's nothing happening when I pulled
that up.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
There there's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh but we get to watch a bunch of twenty
one year old studs in the college football playoffs, which
is next week or it's coming Monday, Jake, I know
you're not a huge fan, but Ohio State Notre Dame
Thomas David's son, right, he committed to Notre Dame Thomas
Davis junior.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Listen, I'm a football college football fan.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I just don't get to watch it as much on Saturdays,
flying in and things like that. But I just I
love NFL. But no huge fan love watching it. I
think Ohio State's very, very talented and very good and
Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
You know, I like the Leonard kid.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I watched him at the Duke and I just liked
kind of the way they play. I really like that
coach Marcus Freeman. There's just something about him that he's
a joy to watch.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You're Catholics, So do you have to root for Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
No, I don't have to. But I'm not one of
those Notre Dame home wers like you have.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So many people, you know, But but yeah, I really
I have no I have no root of interest in
the game.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I just hope it's a great game.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think Ohio State's gonna get it done. That's my thoughts.
But yeah, I hope it's a great game as well.
And it's a sweet Slate. They put it on Monday
because you get the You got the NFL playoffs over
the weekend. Did you watch any of the previous NFL
playoff games? Jake in particular, like to discuss the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, Buddy, I watched every NFL game this weekend.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Everyone all right, So a lot of chatter about our
guy Sam Darnold, who had an outstanding season and then
the last two games has come under some criticism. Jake.
When you're getting sacked that much, I know, like, I
know what you're gonna say. So now I'm talking about
this last game. What was it like, eight or nine
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sacks something like that.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
It was a rough night, Jordan. It was a rough
night for him.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
What do you do, Like, I know, as a lineman
when you're giving up sacks and the offense is sputtering,
oh my gosh, you feel tight. You know we got
you know, blah blah blah. But as the quarterback, especially
Sam Darnold, there has to be some feeling in him
that like, man, this is my year. I'm gonna turn
around and finish on a rough note. Jake, I just
I was thinking I couldn't wait to ask you as
(10:32):
I was watching that game because it was it was tough, man.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, Jordan, very tough to watch.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I wanted to see Sam have a good game, just
like him so much as a person and proud of
him as a player what he was able to do. So, yeah,
that was tough, Jordan. And you know, it's been watching
Minnesota from afar. You know, darisow their tackle that they
left tackle they lost like after like week five or
six the year, and then they won nine or ten
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without it, and I was like, man, that guy's a
good player. I don't know how you just replace him.
But they did a great job. But then I think
I tipped my hat more so to the La Rams
because that team started out I believe, one and four
and just the way they're playing, and.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
They have drafted unbelievably well.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I mean the two rookies from Florida State first get
Fisk to go with Kobe Turner and some of these
linebackers and corners and safeties. I think I just I'm
tipping my hat and more so to the Rams and
what they were able to do. Yes, Sam might have
struggled a little bit, but I mean I think Minnesota struggled.
I think defensively, I think Minnesota struggled mightily in this game.
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So I've kind of given the Rams a little more
credit than I am criticizing Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
How hard would that Rams switch?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Ben?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You know, the fires that are happening in La and
all that stuff. Rams, now we pick up and we
moved the the game to a familiar stadium division opponent,
obviously over in Phoenix. Good. Great. Do you think it helped?
I mean, if it had been played in La, it
might have been even more. Just distracting all their families.
(12:08):
It looked like we're able to come with them and stuff.
Good move by the Rams. It seemed like they handled
it really well.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, it seemed like they did.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And it sounded like the owner been over backwards and
you know, and it sounded like maybe Arizona's owner did
the same thing.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
But yeah, that's a tough task. You know, it's not
only the football part.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I mean, really and truly that's irrelevant with what's going on,
but all the families and things of that nature, and
maybe a lot of them were not affected proximity wise
to the fires, but just so much going on.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You're able to win your division.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Host the playoff game, and okay, we got wildfires going on.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Is everything gonna be Okay? Do I need to evacuate family? Okay,
we're leaving.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We're playing at another stadium, and then we got to
fly back and now we've got to go back to Philly.
I just got to give the Rams and McVeigh and
that bunch credit. They were some grown ups in this,
but in this is the way they hand them, they
were true professionals.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
No, it was good. I was happy for them as
you as you alluded to. I thought they did an
awesome job moving into divisional round. Jake, we got Ravens Bills.
That's I'm so excited for that game. Man. That is
like I keep in touch with Trebelle Wharton, who's on
the old line staff there in Baltimore. Now, you know,
check in on him, make sure you know he doesn't
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need any advice for me in the playoffs here. But
that's gonna be an outstanding game. The Lions. I love
watching them and Jayden Daniels man back to quarterback play.
He's just been so good for the Commanders this year,
Like calm and poised in the pocket, runs the ball well,
makes good decisions.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And then via Philly Philly in LA and then Texans Chiefs.
So I mean, good games this weekend, Jake, You've got
any your particular.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Circling man, really all of them, Jordan, because I just
love watching. I think these are the better teams. Like
very Houston was very interest seemed to watch last week.
I thought the Chargers had every opportunity to kind of
jump on him.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
It should have been for it could have been fourteen.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Nothing, drive down the field, stall out in the red zone,
get it turnover, stall out again in the red zone
instead of fourteen nothing, six nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
But I give credit to C. J. Shroud, I really
truly do.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I thought this kid, you know, he got Nico Collins back,
his big stud receiver, But I just thought how he played.
It's like he kind of, especially late second quarter, put
that team on his back and willed them to kind
of get a touchdown. And just I thought the offensive
coordinator did a really nice job of making everything quick
because they were having trouble blocking boats and Khalil mackack
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and him getting the football out thrown with accuracy, and
just very proud of how he played.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
That was a big game that was fun to watch.
But Jarn this weekend. I mean Buffalo and Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I mean, you're watching two freakazoids, you know, and Josh
Allen and Lamar Jackson and then Darren Henry. I just
and I'm like you, I want Trabail to succeed. I
want Brandon Bean and all the connections up in Buffalo
with the Carolina connection to succeed. So that's the game
I'm really truly most looking forward to.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It's so fun watching Buffalo in the winter time, man,
like that you're just hoping for weather this time of
year in Baltimore. Just Lamar's just it's so cool to
see him have such continued success. Jake, because you can
kind of get labeled early in his careers the you know,
the running threat, but man, the decision making he does
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and this durability to be able to run the ball
design QB runs. I was watching the end of their
last game and they're running the clock out in their
four minute offense. It's Q runs Jake, and he's not
I mean, he's not a small guy, he's not the
biggest guy. He's not like Cam looked. But his durability
and his decision making and I mean the MVP conversation
he was at the winner of this game.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Is the MVP. What do you think, Jake, Yeah, listen,
I think either one.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I mean it's gonna be first and second with those two,
to be quite honest, and I promise you, I don't
I know Josh a little bit. I don't know Lamore,
but everything you've ever read or heard or saw, they
really truly don't care. I mean they want to win
at all. And it's kind of funny. Both quarterbacks both
got the stigmas early on. Oh, Lamore, Oh, he's just
a running quarterback and things like that. Then he's developed
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as a passer and a runner. And then Josh was
this young stallion that was too wild and loose with
the football that he can never be tamed. And then
just watch him kind of turn it to the player
that he has. That's what I'm so. I'm excited to
watch those two play. I think Kansas City can handle
up on the Texans in Kansas City and man Detroit.
(16:45):
Very impressed with what Detroit has done. I think that
rest can do them some good. Certainly the Rams are
hot right now, but I just.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Go back to it, Jordan. I think the best teams
are playing.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I truly believe that the best football agreeing well.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
One thing I'm very happy about, Jake is that the
Panthers are not looking to fill a head coaching vacancy.
There's stability, and we ended on a good note and
Dan Morgan's doing a great job at the front office
leading that team. And we pick eighth, which is a
near and dear spot to my heart me Christian McCaffrey,
a couple other J. C. Horn eighth picks that the
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Panthers have had in the past, so lots to be
excited about. But we don't have to get a new
head coach, Jake. A lot of teams do. Patriots filled
their void with vra Ball. I like that higher. I
don't know him, and I kind of think he was
a bit of a jerk when I played against him.
And that's complimentary, meaning like he played football nitty or
dirty and gritty, and he had a good game against
(17:44):
us all those years ago in the Super Bowl. But
I think that's a great hire by them. What'd you
think about hearing that, Jake?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, listen, I'm shocked he didn't have a job this year.
I mean, I think we all the whole Tennessee situation.
I don't know what happened there, but obviously that probably
wasn't the right decision for them to move on from him.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
The guy's a great.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Football coach, and just listening to the players talk about him,
the respect that they have and how they feel they're
so prepared, and it's not like they're talking about, oh,
he's a players coach and all that that gets mislabeled,
I think or misused, but like they talk about how
tough he is on the players and how he respects them,
but like, you know, you're ready to play when it's
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time to our game, and the clock management and all
the rules. But I mean, this guy was gonna get
ahead job, but he probably had his pick of the letter,
to be quite honest, and certainly with a young quarterback
and Drake May who's shown some flashes a ton of
money to spend early pick this year, it's a spot
where he feels that this is kind of where he
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wanted to be in New England.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
They didn't. They didn't wait around.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
They made a decision to move on and hired him
other openings.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Raiders, Jaguars, Bears, Saints perfectly fine with them not having
a head coach and let's hope that drags on and
they don't make a good hire being a division right
rival their New York Jets as well. But one thing
that's come up, Troy Aikman said it was awesome. He said,
I don't know, like Jerry Jones likes to say that
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the head coaching role job for the Cowboys is coveted,
and Troy Aikman kind of said, hold on, wait a second,
I don't know if it is just the way that
the organization's been going. What do you think about that job?
Jac and those comments, and like, I kind of loved
it coming from Troy Aikman, who's, you know, as good
a quarterback as they've ever had.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Hey, listen, he nailed it. And listen, that's one thing
that's why I like Troy so much. He didn't come
out with this, you know, trying to get clickbait talking about, oh.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
It's the worst job.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
He just said it in a classy way that I'm
not so sure this is the most coveted job. And
he's right. There's not a lot of money to spend.
You're not like you're picking top ten pick. You have
a quarterback making it Ton of money.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
You're in a division that's unbelievably tough, Philadelphia loaded roster.
You're in and year out there there, and then you
have Washington with a butt with a superstar. He's not
a budding superstar with a superstar quarterback on a rookie contract.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
So that's a tough that's uh. Listen, there's one of
thirty two. I get it right, there's only thirty two
of these. But yeah, that's a that's a tough job,
right now, that's a that's a pretty tough job.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
All right.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Last thing I got, uh, you know, I love reading,
asked the old Guy on dot Com, Darren Gant's weekly
segment he does and the fans asked some great questions.
One of them that was asked this time was who's
the most underrated Panther player of all time? And this
person that wrote in mentioned Chris Gamble, which I think
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was an awesome suggestion and candidate for that. Chris Gamble
you threw against a bunch of times in practice, and
he had a was a very good corner for us.
Other names that came up Ryank Klele, Travelle, Wharton, Shack,
a number of others. But I wanted to ask you, Jake,
if you were to say the most underrated panther, you know,
(21:12):
maybe it's not a vault whatever. Just give me some
names that we played with or you've watched who's on your.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
List that Chris Gamble was a great that's a great suggestion,
and it's terrible and I'll fall into that trap.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
You don't forget about him. But he was so quiet
that he was just one that he just did his work.
But he was the first round pick. He was a
twenty eighth pick or whatever it was or thirty.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Was man my most underrated And I'm selfishly speaking, I'm
gonna stick with the offense.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I think it was Brad Hoover, undrafted Western Carolina.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
What we did, what we wanted to do offensively with
John Fox, it was to run the football right and
that was with a full.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Back, running power, running counter running tech, running tall sweeps.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And I just thought Brad Hoover that coast to my mind,
I think he was so underrated with what we did
and how durable and how good he was for so
many years.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And you think about then the running backs that played
behind him.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I mean, that's the thing, you know, emittt Smith always
talks about Darryl Moose Johnson was his eyes. I followed
him and then once he got me on the right track,
then I took over. Well, think about you know, Stephen Davis, Deshaun,
D'Angelo Stewie, and just think about all those running backs
and the same guy was the fullback block and form.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I don't know, Brad's won. That's very high on my list.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I can't tell you you're wrong. I gotta give love to
Khalil though, I mean, we knew he was very good.
But Ryan Khalil had five Pro Bowls and I believe
three All Pros. Jake, like, that's like that's Hall of
Fame entry level numbers right there, you know what I mean?
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And I think is I kind of got more of
the attention when we were teammates because I was older
and all that stuff, and then he was surrounded by
so many awesome players at the end of his career
at Luke and TD and Cam and all that. But Jake,
that many All Pros and that many Pro Bowls is
extremely rare. He's one of my best friends too, so
(23:22):
I think I'm being a bit of a homer, but
I just had to bring him up.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Well, you can't. I mean, you can't go wrong with Ryan.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I mean I think we all I know how I
feel about him, but yeah, somebody that really and truly,
we weren't looking for a center at that time.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
We just signed Justin Hartwig to a big free agent deal.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
And there's Ryan sitting on the board late second round
and he had a high grade and Marty Harney trusted
the board and god, what a great decision.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, exactly. And Jake Delone but I think you get
enough love. You're probably overrated as am I. If anything, Jake,
we don't fit into that conversation.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
No, Jordan, I agree.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
But like you know when you say, you know, like
the greatest unsung, I just fall back is such a
position that we just kind of forget about and undrafted,
you know, things like that, because.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I mean you think about it though, Steve Smith, third
round pick, like yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But he's in the top fifteenth for the Hall of
Pay now, so there's no underrating any longer. We're right,
he's got it. He gets enough attention. I'm moving on
from him, all right, I'm moving on from this podcast too. Hey,
next week when we do this, I'm gonna be in
out of the country. I'm to be in Mexico, so
hopefully you can understand my Spanish.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Well.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That sounds good and I look forward to doing it,
and I'm assuming we'll work around your schedule.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Why are you as usual?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
You know, maybe having some Margarita's and Sunshine.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I won't to have any Margarita's pre podcast though, because
I'm a professional jayon and that's.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
What I like to hear. It sounds good, but if
you do, I'll help tick over for you.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Thank you man. See it'll be good.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Four f
Wow, Jordan and Jake, I'll go good.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm excited, ready to go the bump stops.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
He throws at a crossfield.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Guess who, George Gross, here are your panther Hall of
Honor remembers Jordan Gross and Jake Dillome. So, Jake, we
were talking off the air. Funny enough, I had written
down in my show notes to bring this up, talking
about being in like our health right. So here's where
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this started. I'm coaching Waits this morning with my high
school kids, and I got one kid who had shoulder
rotator cuff surgery, right, and so he's all going through that.
He's got one arm, he can lift one arm that's
all weak, right, And I said, he's asking me, coach,
you think I'll be back for next season. I said, buddy,
you are in like the peak time of when your
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body is going to be able to put on muscle, right,
like eighteen years old. The guys at Junie You're about
to be a senior next year. So he asked me,
when were you in the best shape of your life?
And so I thought, you know what, that is a
good question, and I'm going to bring that up. When
we talked to Jake and you're talking about doing just
health screening and stuff that the NFL offers. So funny
(01:15):
we start with that. So here we go. Since it
is the postseason for the Panthers and things, you're gonna
kind of quiet. I'm gonna start with when were you
in the best shape of your life? Jake?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
The best physical shape? Like in shape? I think I
think he is high school because Jordan I was so light.
I was one hundred and sixty five pounds senior, So
I mean like you could run, you know, like so
but maybe not like it doesn't have to just be cardio.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay, like I guess, okay, let me rephrase this.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Okay, go ahead, When were you like the most bad
you know what, like strongest FoST bit, like the when
you think back and you're like, man, that was my
pinnacle knee?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
When was that me?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Without a doubt was my first second third year in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So twenty two to twenty four.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, I was twenty one when I was a rookie,
so like that's exactly right. Jordan, I went as a
senior in college, I weighed one hundred and ninety five pounds.
The next year as a rookie, with the Saints. I
weighed two hundred and twenty eight pounds. It's like I
started shaving more than twice a week, more than once
a week.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I just you know, physically, you just your body starts.
But that's there's no doubt from just the physical testing.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
That we did, the vertical jumps, the you know, the shuttles,
the forties and things like that, that without a doubt,
strength wise and everything else that those were.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
That's why where I felt the best.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I will say that I'm gonna say pretty much the
same thing, except for for me, it was combined free
draft combine. So I was twenty two as a senior,
so I got I got draft at twenty two. I
played my first NFL season at twenty three because I
was in college for five years. Yeah, Jake, I my
senior year of Utah, we didn't make a bowl game.
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So as soon as the regular season got over, which
was like Thanksgiving right or before, I moved down to
Arizona and was full time training for the combine three
days or three times a day, speed work, agility work,
strength work, recovery, pull, the whole thing. Nutrition. Jake, and
I can remember, just like when you're in a phase
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of life when you're young like that, you don't realize
how awesome you are physically, you know, until like for me,
typically like it's been in hindsight. However, I remember getting
ready for the combine thinking I am pretty dialed in here, Jake.
So it prompted me to pull up my combine test results.
If you don't mind if we take a trip down
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memory lane, Jake, you.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Okay with that?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I would love to hear these results.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So I always hit the combine six four and a half.
I always tell people I'm six five because I feel
like I was short at the combine, which probably is
not true. And if I was six four and a
half then I'm sure probably should have left. Well, I
always say six y five.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Listen, you're you're getting measured with barefooted heels together tolls up, So.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
That's how you're getting.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Measured absolute shortest.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yes, correct.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And I had the flu right before it, Jake. So
I worked like crazy to get up to three hundred,
and I was exactly three hundred pounds nice forty yard
dash five point oh five. I remember that was a
disappointment because I wanted to be I should have been
a four to nine eight guy.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, I thought you would have hit the four nine.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Really, I know, and I'd hit it in training, and
I probably was thrown off because I was under six '
five and it was played with my mind. Ten yard
dash though one seven, one ninety fifth percentile. Nice.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I figured.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I figured all these shuttles and ten yards you would
you would be on the level.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
This was my key one though, the five ten five,
You know, the short shuttle. You start, you start on
the five yard line straddling it. Boom, you go touch
the ten. You sprint back and touch the goal line
and through four point three four ninety nine point three percentile.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Okay, Jordan Gross, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
That was not bad. Vertical jump thirty one and a
half inches, okay, So that one I cheated?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Why is that you didn't raise your show?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
So yeah, it was in the old days. You would
have like the little vertical jump stick with the sticks
on it, you know, you jump up and yeah, whack it. Well,
to start off, you had to reach for them to
get like your standing reach height, and I was like
rolling my shoulders back and like slight knee bend. Maybe
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not cheating, I just was maximizing test results. Pretty smart
and my bench press twenty eight reps at twenty five.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, because we all know the bitch press really defines
what a football player is.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I mean exactly right.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I mean that's that, there's no doubt. I still don't
understand why they do.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That at the combine.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
To be some measurable of strength. Yeah, do power clean
well oh yeah, that's well yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Do power clean bitch press.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That power clean for max reps is going to blow you.
Like you do all these lifts, you do all this
stuff in a two day period. If you did a
max reps power clean to twenty five, you're gonna be
so blown out, Jake, I.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Agree, But I mean I just think that I don't
know nowadays they have to have some type of metric
where you're actually on a surface that they can measure
just force with feet into the ground, the explosion things
like that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
What about like that slid? What about like a sled
push for time?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
That'd be good. I like that. I just a bit press.
I just it still kind of amazes me, Like what
does that really do? Well?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
They kind to keep doing it because it's or what
are forty four year old former players going to do
when they pull up on the internet if there's not
bench press to talk about, right.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But yeah, I would say that's the peak, all right,
because after all, I got stronger. I got stronger after that.
But you just there's nothing like that, young twenty one
year old dude exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
So, uh, pull up my combined results.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
You didn't go to combine?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Okay, all right, next question, go ahead, Sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Okay, I can tell you this. I don't think you
would have been you. You would have probably you'd have
hopefully been faster than me. I would have been faster
than you in the shuttle.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I believe, I really truly doubt that.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You were sub four to three in the shuttle.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I feel very confident in my shuttle numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I'm not trying to be old guy patting myself in
the back, but I'm very, very, very confident that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Well, I just broke the internet as I googled Jake
Delone combine results because there's nothing happening when I pulled
that up.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
There there's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh but we get to watch a bunch of twenty
one year old studs in the college football playoffs, which
is next week or it's coming Monday, Jake, I know
you're not a huge fan, but Ohio State Notre Dame
Thomas David's son, right, he committed to Notre Dame Thomas
Davis junior.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Listen, I'm a football college football fan.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I just don't get to watch it as much on Saturdays,
flying in and things like that. But I just I
love NFL. But no huge fan love watching it. I
think Ohio State's very, very talented and very good and
Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
You know, I like the Leonard kid.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I watched him at the Duke and I just liked
kind of the way they play. I really like that
coach Marcus Freeman. There's just something about him that he's
a joy to watch.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You're Catholics, So do you have to root for Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
No, I don't have to. But I'm not one of
those Notre Dame home wers like you have.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So many people, you know, But but yeah, I really
I have no I have no root of interest in
the game.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I just hope it's a great game.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think Ohio State's gonna get it done. That's my thoughts.
But yeah, I hope it's a great game as well.
And it's a sweet Slate. They put it on Monday
because you get the You got the NFL playoffs over
the weekend. Did you watch any of the previous NFL
playoff games? Jake in particular, like to discuss the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, Buddy, I watched every NFL game this weekend.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Everyone all right, So a lot of chatter about our
guy Sam Darnold, who had an outstanding season and then
the last two games has come under some criticism. Jake.
When you're getting sacked that much, I know, like, I
know what you're gonna say. So now I'm talking about
this last game. What was it like, eight or nine
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sacks something like that.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
It was a rough night, Jordan. It was a rough
night for him.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
What do you do, Like, I know, as a lineman
when you're giving up sacks and the offense is sputtering,
oh my gosh, you feel tight. You know we got
you know, blah blah blah. But as the quarterback, especially
Sam Darnold, there has to be some feeling in him
that like, man, this is my year. I'm gonna turn
around and finish on a rough note. Jake, I just
I was thinking I couldn't wait to ask you as
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I was watching that game because it was it was tough, man.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, Jordan, very tough to watch.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I wanted to see Sam have a good game, just
like him so much as a person and proud of
him as a player what he was able to do. So, yeah,
that was tough, Jordan. And you know, it's been watching
Minnesota from afar. You know, darisow their tackle that they
left tackle they lost like after like week five or
six the year, and then they won nine or ten
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without it, and I was like, man, that guy's a
good player. I don't know how you just replace him.
But they did a great job. But then I think
I tipped my hat more so to the La Rams
because that team started out I believe, one and four
and just the way they're playing, and.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
They have drafted unbelievably well.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I mean the two rookies from Florida State first get
Fisk to go with Kobe Turner and some of these
linebackers and corners and safeties. I think I just I'm
tipping my hat and more so to the Rams and
what they were able to do. Yes, Sam might have
struggled a little bit, but I mean I think Minnesota struggled.
I think defensively, I think Minnesota struggled mightily in this game.
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So I've kind of given the Rams a little more
credit than I am criticizing Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
How hard would that Rams switch?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Ben?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You know, the fires that are happening in La and
all that stuff. Rams, now we pick up and we
moved the the game to a familiar stadium division opponent,
obviously over in Phoenix. Good. Great. Do you think it helped?
I mean, if it had been played in La, it
might have been even more. Just distracting all their families.
(12:08):
It looked like we're able to come with them and stuff.
Good move by the Rams. It seemed like they handled
it really well.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, it seemed like they did.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And it sounded like the owner been over backwards and
you know, and it sounded like maybe Arizona's owner did
the same thing.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
But yeah, that's a tough task. You know, it's not
only the football part.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I mean, really and truly that's irrelevant with what's going on,
but all the families and things of that nature, and
maybe a lot of them were not affected proximity wise
to the fires, but just so much going on.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You're able to win your division.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Host the playoff game, and okay, we got wildfires going on.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Is everything gonna be Okay? Do I need to evacuate family? Okay,
we're leaving.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We're playing at another stadium, and then we got to
fly back and now we've got to go back to Philly.
I just got to give the Rams and McVeigh and
that bunch credit. They were some grown ups in this,
but in this is the way they hand them, they
were true professionals.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
No, it was good. I was happy for them as
you as you alluded to. I thought they did an
awesome job moving into divisional round. Jake, we got Ravens Bills.
That's I'm so excited for that game. Man. That is
like I keep in touch with Trebelle Wharton, who's on
the old line staff there in Baltimore. Now, you know,
check in on him, make sure you know he doesn't
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need any advice for me in the playoffs here. But
that's gonna be an outstanding game. The Lions. I love
watching them and Jayden Daniels man back to quarterback play.
He's just been so good for the Commanders this year,
Like calm and poised in the pocket, runs the ball well,
makes good decisions.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And then via Philly Philly in LA and then Texans Chiefs.
So I mean, good games this weekend, Jake, You've got
any your particular.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Circling man, really all of them, Jordan, because I just
love watching. I think these are the better teams. Like
very Houston was very interest seemed to watch last week.
I thought the Chargers had every opportunity to kind of
jump on him.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
It should have been for it could have been fourteen.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Nothing, drive down the field, stall out in the red zone,
get it turnover, stall out again in the red zone
instead of fourteen nothing, six nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
But I give credit to C. J. Shroud, I really
truly do.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I thought this kid, you know, he got Nico Collins back,
his big stud receiver, But I just thought how he played.
It's like he kind of, especially late second quarter, put
that team on his back and willed them to kind
of get a touchdown. And just I thought the offensive
coordinator did a really nice job of making everything quick
because they were having trouble blocking boats and Khalil mackack
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and him getting the football out thrown with accuracy, and
just very proud of how he played.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
That was a big game that was fun to watch.
But Jarn this weekend. I mean Buffalo and Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I mean, you're watching two freakazoids, you know, and Josh
Allen and Lamar Jackson and then Darren Henry. I just
and I'm like you, I want Trabail to succeed. I
want Brandon Bean and all the connections up in Buffalo
with the Carolina connection to succeed. So that's the game
I'm really truly most looking forward to.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It's so fun watching Buffalo in the winter time, man,
like that you're just hoping for weather this time of
year in Baltimore. Just Lamar's just it's so cool to
see him have such continued success. Jake, because you can
kind of get labeled early in his careers the you know,
the running threat, but man, the decision making he does
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and this durability to be able to run the ball
design QB runs. I was watching the end of their
last game and they're running the clock out in their
four minute offense. It's Q runs Jake, and he's not
I mean, he's not a small guy, he's not the
biggest guy. He's not like Cam looked. But his durability
and his decision making and I mean the MVP conversation
he was at the winner of this game.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Is the MVP. What do you think, Jake, Yeah, listen,
I think either one.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I mean it's gonna be first and second with those two,
to be quite honest, and I promise you, I don't
I know Josh a little bit. I don't know Lamore,
but everything you've ever read or heard or saw, they
really truly don't care. I mean they want to win
at all. And it's kind of funny. Both quarterbacks both
got the stigmas early on. Oh, Lamore, Oh, he's just
a running quarterback and things like that. Then he's developed
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as a passer and a runner. And then Josh was
this young stallion that was too wild and loose with
the football that he can never be tamed. And then
just watch him kind of turn it to the player
that he has. That's what I'm so. I'm excited to
watch those two play. I think Kansas City can handle
up on the Texans in Kansas City and man Detroit.
(16:45):
Very impressed with what Detroit has done. I think that
rest can do them some good. Certainly the Rams are
hot right now, but I just.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Go back to it, Jordan. I think the best teams
are playing.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I truly believe that the best football agreeing well.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
One thing I'm very happy about, Jake is that the
Panthers are not looking to fill a head coaching vacancy.
There's stability, and we ended on a good note and
Dan Morgan's doing a great job at the front office
leading that team. And we pick eighth, which is a
near and dear spot to my heart me Christian McCaffrey,
a couple other J. C. Horn eighth picks that the
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Panthers have had in the past, so lots to be
excited about. But we don't have to get a new
head coach, Jake. A lot of teams do. Patriots filled
their void with vra Ball. I like that higher. I
don't know him, and I kind of think he was
a bit of a jerk when I played against him.
And that's complimentary, meaning like he played football nitty or
dirty and gritty, and he had a good game against
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us all those years ago in the Super Bowl. But
I think that's a great hire by them. What'd you
think about hearing that, Jake?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, listen, I'm shocked he didn't have a job this year.
I mean, I think we all the whole Tennessee situation.
I don't know what happened there, but obviously that probably
wasn't the right decision for them to move on from him.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
The guy's a great.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Football coach, and just listening to the players talk about him,
the respect that they have and how they feel they're
so prepared, and it's not like they're talking about, oh,
he's a players coach and all that that gets mislabeled,
I think or misused, but like they talk about how
tough he is on the players and how he respects them,
but like, you know, you're ready to play when it's
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time to our game, and the clock management and all
the rules. But I mean, this guy was gonna get
ahead job, but he probably had his pick of the letter,
to be quite honest, and certainly with a young quarterback
and Drake May who's shown some flashes a ton of
money to spend early pick this year, it's a spot
where he feels that this is kind of where he
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wanted to be in New England.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
They didn't. They didn't wait around.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
They made a decision to move on and hired him
other openings.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Raiders, Jaguars, Bears, Saints perfectly fine with them not having
a head coach and let's hope that drags on and
they don't make a good hire being a division right
rival their New York Jets as well. But one thing
that's come up, Troy Aikman said it was awesome. He said,
I don't know, like Jerry Jones likes to say that
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the head coaching role job for the Cowboys is coveted,
and Troy Aikman kind of said, hold on, wait a second,
I don't know if it is just the way that
the organization's been going. What do you think about that job?
Jac and those comments, and like, I kind of loved
it coming from Troy Aikman, who's, you know, as good
a quarterback as they've ever had.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Hey, listen, he nailed it. And listen, that's one thing
that's why I like Troy so much. He didn't come
out with this, you know, trying to get clickbait talking about, oh.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
It's the worst job.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
He just said it in a classy way that I'm
not so sure this is the most coveted job. And
he's right. There's not a lot of money to spend.
You're not like you're picking top ten pick. You have
a quarterback making it Ton of money.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
You're in a division that's unbelievably tough, Philadelphia loaded roster.
You're in and year out there there, and then you
have Washington with a butt with a superstar. He's not
a budding superstar with a superstar quarterback on a rookie contract.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
So that's a tough that's uh. Listen, there's one of
thirty two. I get it right, there's only thirty two
of these. But yeah, that's a that's a tough job,
right now, that's a that's a pretty tough job.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
All right.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Last thing I got, uh, you know, I love reading,
asked the old Guy on dot Com, Darren Gant's weekly
segment he does and the fans asked some great questions.
One of them that was asked this time was who's
the most underrated Panther player of all time? And this
person that wrote in mentioned Chris Gamble, which I think
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was an awesome suggestion and candidate for that. Chris Gamble
you threw against a bunch of times in practice, and
he had a was a very good corner for us.
Other names that came up Ryank Klele, Travelle, Wharton, Shack,
a number of others. But I wanted to ask you, Jake,
if you were to say the most underrated panther, you know,
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maybe it's not a vault whatever. Just give me some
names that we played with or you've watched who's on your.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
List that Chris Gamble was a great that's a great suggestion,
and it's terrible and I'll fall into that trap.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
You don't forget about him. But he was so quiet
that he was just one that he just did his work.
But he was the first round pick. He was a
twenty eighth pick or whatever it was or thirty.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Was man my most underrated And I'm selfishly speaking, I'm
gonna stick with the offense.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I think it was Brad Hoover, undrafted Western Carolina.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
What we did, what we wanted to do offensively with
John Fox, it was to run the football right and
that was with a full.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Back, running power, running counter running tech, running tall sweeps.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And I just thought Brad Hoover that coast to my mind,
I think he was so underrated with what we did
and how durable and how good he was for so
many years.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And you think about then the running backs that played
behind him.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I mean, that's the thing, you know, emittt Smith always
talks about Darryl Moose Johnson was his eyes. I followed
him and then once he got me on the right track,
then I took over. Well, think about you know, Stephen Davis, Deshaun,
D'Angelo Stewie, and just think about all those running backs
and the same guy was the fullback block and form.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I don't know, Brad's won. That's very high on my list.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I can't tell you you're wrong. I gotta give love to
Khalil though, I mean, we knew he was very good.
But Ryan Khalil had five Pro Bowls and I believe
three All Pros. Jake, like, that's like that's Hall of
Fame entry level numbers right there, you know what I mean?
(23:00):
And I think is I kind of got more of
the attention when we were teammates because I was older
and all that stuff, and then he was surrounded by
so many awesome players at the end of his career
at Luke and TD and Cam and all that. But Jake,
that many All Pros and that many Pro Bowls is
extremely rare. He's one of my best friends too, so
(23:22):
I think I'm being a bit of a homer, but
I just had to bring him up.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Well, you can't. I mean, you can't go wrong with Ryan.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I mean I think we all I know how I
feel about him, but yeah, somebody that really and truly,
we weren't looking for a center at that time.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
We just signed Justin Hartwig to a big free agent deal.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
And there's Ryan sitting on the board late second round
and he had a high grade and Marty Harney trusted
the board and god, what a great decision.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, exactly. And Jake Delone but I think you get
enough love. You're probably overrated as am I. If anything, Jake,
we don't fit into that conversation.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
No, Jordan, I agree.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
But like you know when you say, you know, like
the greatest unsung, I just fall back is such a
position that we just kind of forget about and undrafted,
you know, things like that, because.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I mean you think about it though, Steve Smith, third
round pick, like yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But he's in the top fifteenth for the Hall of
Pay now, so there's no underrating any longer. We're right,
he's got it. He gets enough attention. I'm moving on
from him, all right, I'm moving on from this podcast too. Hey,
next week when we do this, I'm gonna be in
out of the country. I'm to be in Mexico, so
hopefully you can understand my Spanish.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Well.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That sounds good and I look forward to doing it,
and I'm assuming we'll work around your schedule.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Why are you as usual?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
You know, maybe having some Margarita's and Sunshine.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I won't to have any Margarita's pre podcast though, because
I'm a professional jayon and that's.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
What I like to hear. It sounds good, but if
you do, I'll help tick over for you.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Thank you man. See it'll be good.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
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