July 29, 2025 • 25 mins
This week on Jordan & Jake, the guys discuss the importance of the NFL preseason, react to the first couple days of padded practice, remember the time Jordan fought another player so hard he was exhausted, and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, Jordan and Jake.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I go good, I'm excited, ready to go the home stops.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
He throws at a crossfield. Guess who, George Gross.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Here are your Panther Hall of Honor members Jordan Gross
and Jake Delome.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Jake, this is a special podcast episode with me, and
I'd like to tell you why.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'd like to hear what so I am in it.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Normally I'm you know, I'm in my at the office,
at the farm here or up above my barn, all
by myself. But I've got company today. There is a
crew here from k b YU. Is that right, guys?
BYU Sports, I'm sorry, BYU Sports in Utah. They're doing
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a feature, like a twenty or thirty minute feature on
me and my football program in my life here to
run during the Utah versus BYU rivalry game week, to
be broadcast all over the internet. So it's kind of
a big deal, Jake. And right now they are recording
me recording this.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well, you are a big deal. Let's get that straight.
I'll tell you you are the Jordan Groves, right, mister
Utah right, So exactly right. But I think that's great.
I think it's awesome because you know what, I'm not
saying this because we're on the air. I've always told
you how fortunate I think these kids should feel the
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program that you're running. You're giving them taste of a
high end high school program, college football elements, with pro
football elements. You're incorporating all of that, and so I
think that's great that they're coming to show that and
maybe more guys, you know, after they're done playing, and
many of them have jumped into coaching, but high school
football is its purest form, and that's what you have
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the most impression on a young kid.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now's it was fun having them at practice today. Those
guys are out there filming me coaching my butt off,
doing tackling drills and all that kind of stuff. And
the best part is, Jake, I didn't have to act
like any different. There's already enough animated me, as you
know from my scratchy voice that my coach voice right
now for good content. But they're gonna be here all
team week. We're doing whitewater rafting tomorrow, the little team
(02:08):
bonding experience. And it's been a lot of fun. But
you said that, yes, said, high school experience is the
pinnacle of high school football. Did you happen to see
our friend Greg Olsen on Busting with the Boys podcast
this I think it was last week they ran it
and they were talking about high school football. Did you
hear any of those clips from that episode?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I did hear a clip via the X platform. It
was like a minute twenty seconds and he talked about
high school in his purest form. And you know what,
what in Greg's dad his coach. If I'm not mistaken, okay, yeeah,
you through high school? Yeah and so, and you can
only imagine because my dad didn't coach me growing up,
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but if he would have, I would have had the
kid that would have had the hardest time, you know
what I mean, Like I would have been the example.
And so I'm assuming Greg's dad did the same to him.
But you know what, it's it's so true. That's just
something about high school football. It's just it's it's just
near and dear to so many people's heart, and especially mine,
because that's your buddies, that's the guys you went to
You go to school with all your life.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh, absolutely, those guys. It was hilarious. So they were
talking about the funny things about high school football, They're like,
how many times have you heard thunderstruck in a locker room?
They started laughing, And the hilarious thing is it's still
the dang same. Those guys still play that those same
songs Inner sand Man. I've heard it five thousand times
since I became a high school football coach again. And
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they were referencing when you traveled on the bus to
the game you weren't allowed to talk because you had
to focus. You know, they're laughing about that, and then
I'm sitting there going, oh, that's what I do with
our kids. It's the same.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean, yeah, but Jordan, I vividly remember on a
bus because I went to a small one a high school,
Like we had one bus to go to a game.
It wasn't like we were and we all had our
own seat. I mean we had twenty five guys, but
like chin strap strap, mouthpiece in the mouth, in the
mouth on the bus going through the game.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
We're a little bit different now. We actually have a
trainer that travels with us. So we get there and
then she'll tape the ankles or whatever. And the worst one, though, Jake,
is all these guys get their wrist tape by a trainer, right,
and I'm like, guys, all that is that process to
tape your wrist is pre wrap and then tape. There's
like barely a joint in there and it's just a
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straight line. So I tease them all to like, you
got to learn how to tape your own dang wrisk.
This is embarrassing. We have a line of fifteen guys
getting their wrist tape and you know it's just cosmetic
because they wanted to stick out from their gloves. Right.
So I got my guys the standard. It like, you
get made fun of until you learn how to tape
your own wrist shake.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I like that. I do because I think they should
be able to do that. But I like that now.
So you're I'm surprised. I really thought you would be
taped some ankles, knowing how you are come here.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Let me I don't do it, Jake. I like, we
have the trainer and we have another coach that likes
to tape the ankles. I stay away from it. I
really tried to let make sure the guys know. My
stance is you're not getting taped or anything unless it's severe.
Like I had a kid yesterday at practice who we
were doing the we call it first Things First, right,
(05:23):
it's this whole team drill we do. We practice run,
but we practice blocking, practice shocking and shedding. As a defender,
we practice tackling. It's rapid fire a bunch of reps.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, evidently he got kicked below the belt. Okay, so
he had you know, that's a painful situation. All of
us guys know that. And this is a senior who's
like worked his way up to begetting to where he's
like got a possibility to start maybe even two ways.
And he comes over to the trainer and he's like,
I got kicked below the belt. It hurts real bad.
What should I do? It's like, hey, you know what
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the best ability is? What coach availability? You better get
back out there, man, go. And so he's like, all right, fine,
he goes out there and gets back in it. But
you got to help teach those guys a little bit, Jake, like,
we don't need to tape everything.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I agree with you. Now, My question is this do
you guys in Idaho? Is it a ramp up period
like you can practice a few days without helmets and
helmets and shoulder paths, Like is this his acclamation period.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Okay, this is what's wild about Idaho summer. No rules, right,
So well, I guess there are rules like we can
have seven padded days in a ten day window once
during the summer, okay. But in the summer, if I
wanted to have seven to a days, I can do
it in a row. Okay, no ramp up period. But
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then when you get to the school year when the
season officially starts, whoa wha, whoa, whoa, whoa. We got
to ramp up. So now we have to go two
days of helmets, then two days of shells, then two
days of full pads, and there's rules. If you want
to have two days, you can. We have two then
you have to do so there's rules then, But in
the summer, the kids are on their own. If the
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coach was a maniac, then the kids just got to
deal with that.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So we're in two days right now because I think
our coach, our kids have like quasi maniac as their coach.
I'm not sure, but we're doing two a day's right now.
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
We probably should talk some panthers though, Jake, thanks for
humoring me on my.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Own, but it's football. Season.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It is football season, and it all goes together, Jake,
It all goes together.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
The Panthers, they do have the Panther NFL has a day.
We talked about this last week. Their ramp up period
is very immense. Finally, the Panthers were able to get
pads on on Monday and they got to do a
little hitting, Jake, And guess what it got people excited?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Of course it did, Jordan. And you know what I
was thinking about it. I was listening to all the
press pressers after the first day and sounded like maybe
Cuba and Treve Wallace gotten a little tussle and things,
and that was so normal, you know, I mean, it
was so he got used to it. But you you
weren't really ever the fight guy at the start, the
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fight guy. That was never your deal.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, I'd practice, I because I generally practiced, especially you
know when I was going at Julius Peppers all the time.
He was he was He's a Hall of Fame NFL player,
but he's a Hall of Fame practicer. So that guy
would go absolute full speed until he got into a
precarious situation with him or someone else, and then he
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would immediately hit the brakes, like hold me up if
I was falling over, if we were getting close to
you over the quarterback, you know, he'd peel off. So
he really helped teach me the right way to do it.
Fights generally happened with guys like our good friend Steve Smith,
where there's above and beyond and we're hands in the
face and the whistle's blowing and we're tackling guys in
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the ground or whatever above. Also, Jake, including the fact
that I had good practice habits with the guys that
I learned from, I also was just pretty dank tired.
And if nothing that'll wear you out like a fight.
Now the only time you only the best time though
to use a fight is if you can stage one
and get kicked out of practice. That's something I never
had the guts to do, was the fight to get
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kicked out of practice to get some reps actually off.
It's actually a reward for fighting that coaches don't know about.
I never had the guts to do that when Jake,
but it crossed my mind many times.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, you know, I used to love it, and I
think the thing it would make me laugh because anytime
there was a fight like to go do what push
somebody in with your hand on a helmet.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
You can't punch the helmet. It hurts your own hand.
It's it's the opposite of what you're trying to accomplish.
It has to be the football tough guy fight is
I grab your face mask, you grab mine, and we
just see who can give each other more of a
neck in issue than anything else, right.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
The Sean Foster, head coach of UCLA and Adam Yeah, man,
it was a live goal line situation and they got
into it, and it was a it was a wrestling match,
a tesling match, and it's hot and Spartanberg get tired
and you're using all this energy. So we get back
in the huddle and the Shawne's back in the huddle
and so we called the Planet's a run play again,
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and through the mouthpiece, he just tells me, change your play,
change a play, throw a change your plate. He wanted
to catch his breath because he's exhausted, that's why, and
you were it's so exciting, That's what.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I'm talking about. I got into a fight when after
he left and we were with Cam. It might even
been my last year against the Rams, Robert Quinn was
a defensive vent and he took a cheap shot on Cam.
So the next play, and I was kind of already
getting annoyed at the guy because I was like thirty
three and he was twenty one or something, and I
was probably just jealous of the energy that he had
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in quickness that was fading for me rapidly. Uh. But
he cheap shot at We run like a read option,
you know, and Cam gave the ball clearly and the
quarterback's not protected. Then he blew him up. So the
next play, pass play, I summon every ounce of energy
I have and pancakeh on the pass play right, he
gets up mad, we do the face mask grab. Everybody's
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getting after it. Steve jumpson, of course, law what's his name?
Chris Long was the defense on the other side. He
gets ejected. It was awesome, right, the crowd's going nuts.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Jake.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I couldn't breathe for like five minutes after that. I
was so tired.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
The Angelo Williams on the Goodness, the Matador, the Ola handoff.
Newton got slammed down after the handoff. He got hurt
on that player. Quinn had a free shot at the
back of Newton who was doing that again read option
handoff and he took the brunt of that in the back.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
No Cam is hurt on that play. He's a tough man,
but I know that he's hurt.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
He's up, but a little woozy. Three receivers to the right,
two to the left. Noodle from a very clean pocket
goes over the middle, caught Olson thirty five yard line.
Olsen takes it to the thirty two before he is
hit in the head. And now we have Jordan Gross
in a fight. Bell comes over, knocks Quinn loose. Talbert
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comes over, pushing Quinn. Dunbar comes in.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
This is one of the bigger scrums in the National
Football League. Now the helmet comes off, Dunbar loses his helmet.
They're still pushing and shoving the officials trying to get
control of a ugly situation in front of the Panther bench.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And then they threw the.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Red helmet open the side. It's still some doing.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
What doesn't pushbowl?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Now everybody's throwing flags. All the officials.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Eject their flags at once, and this may take a
while to sword out.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, like the airbags went off, Oh my goodness, who
was that ninety one.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
It was Chris Love who threw the flag and he's
just walking to the sideline because you need to get
your walk home, because that's that's gonna be kicked out
in the game. When that one, surprisingly, Steve Smith had
to be restrained.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Oh no, yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Smith has never met a skirmish that he did not
invite himself too.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
But that was. This has been brewing ever since.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
The first quarter, the tired time Quinn's been in the
middle of it. Mike Tolbert has had plenty to say
Jordan Gross, and Jordan's.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Just defending his quarterback personal.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Foul defense number ninety one bold punts his actions.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
He's been disqualified from the game, he got thrown off
the game.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And you need long. I'm telling you you need Long
on this you He's.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
A guy that you need. Jordan Gross is as animated
as you're ever going to see. Number sixty nine, so.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Tired that thank god we were down here the goal line.
I think we scored and got to get to the sideline.
I never went after oxygen. That might have been one
of the only times I ever had too. Because the fight,
it's pine or flight. If your hair grade accelerates, you
got superhuman strength and then you're just depleted.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Oh gosh, it's something so small and just bringing joy.
That's all right though, it's all football, and we're just
talking about the pads, getting the pads on, little.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Chippiness and you know, and listening to some things. I
listened to Darren Gant. He was talking about I get
the one on one battle, and that's something that he
brought up. That's the first thing he likes to do
with pads. He said, I don't want to see receiver
one on ones. I want to go see offensive defensive
lineman one on ones. And just talked about the sheer
size you know, of Robert Hunt, him and a Shawn Robinson.
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And then he brought up about Julius and and Jordan
gross Is like what he said, they would go against
each other and you just watched high level football and
that's what it's about. It's about getting those pads on
and getting fits and things like that, and that's that's
real football. It always comes down and I know it's
so juvenile of safe, but it's blocking and tackling and
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catch and running. I mean, that's that's what it comes
down to.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well, one of the best things about getting into the
pads for alignment. So when you guys wear shoulder pads, right,
you got you obviously your shoulders are projected, and then
you come down there's the chest plate in front, right, Well,
it's cut out, so you go the football player can
move their arms and have some mobility. Well, the line
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of that chest pad where it connects to the shoulder
pad just kind of follows like your del toy down
into your peck. What it's also cut out for your neck, right. Well,
those end up being outstanding handles for offensive linemen. Like
that's what you teach is when you shoot your hands
and punch pass, pro run game or whatever, I'm clamping
as soon as I can grab that chess play to
that shoulder pad, Like that's a handle, well that's connected
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by straps to the upper body of the guy you're blocking. Right,
Defensive lineman uses as well, or they grab that shoulder
pad and pull in pass thrush moves. When you're doing
all this stuff in spiders and helmets or just walk
through whatever is the line, you're without that tool, and
in real football it's a critical piece of what you're doing.
So like one on ones with no pads on, right,
(16:08):
Like that is the hardest thing to do for an
olignment is to win a one on one pass rush
with no pads on, especially with no helmet, because now
you're keeping your head out of there even more, which
you should do technically in a pass pro situation anyways,
but you're just feeling vulnerable. There's nothing to grab. The
guy's wearing a dang T shirt. You punch it, it
slides off. You know, there's nothing, there's no equipment there.
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So when the defensive line gets their pads on, man,
the scales are sure balance with the O line and
it's just fun. Like now we can run block, Now,
we can get our fits. Now we do team run
or nine on seven and I can fire off and
hit the hip of that down guy and try to
get him move vertically. We're not just you know, nice
guy in each other. And to talk about what we
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talked about last week, Jake, just the the ability for
the O line, D line to get in game shape
with having pads be in every other day kind of deal. Man,
They've got to just those reps are so precious and
they got to milk everything out of each one of
those they can because like our Panthers were in pads Monday,
now today helmets and Spiders pads, agains Wednesday, Thursday day
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off pads, Friday pads, Saturday, Sunday back in helmets. So
it's better for the players. But man, Like, the reason
it's talked about is because it's a different game when
football's played in full gear, like it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
How long would you say you truly believe you would
need to get ready to play a whole game?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Like if just when you were like when we were
able to play.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You mean when you were able to play. So you're
twenty seven years old, you're in the prime of your career, Like,
how long it do you truly and be effective? Be like, okay,
I'm pretty good. How long do you think it take?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I think if you had, like yourself, a good two
weeks and then game week, okay, So like I would say,
we need to be due, how long to get ready
to play a football game? I need two weeks, you know,
Monday through Saturday. We're practicing because like I got as alignment,
I gotta get my body durable used to taking hits.
(18:18):
You know, I know you felt that way as a quarterback.
Like you would say, I like those first preseason games
because I kind of hope I get hit. You gotta
use that well. Same with the lineman. Like you can
train and run and lift, I can be in great shape,
but like I'm not used to get my hand smashed,
my neck, you know, thrown around my back, tweaked in
weird positions, you know what I mean. So you gotta
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have that. You gotta get used to the speed and
the contact and all that. But I think in I
think in a week hard first week and then a
second week where we're still doing six or seven days
of it, but I'm lightening up by the end to
try to get recovery and then go into game week.
Or you can get that done. And you see that
with veteran guys that hold out or set out.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You know, Trent.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Williams is the mass through this. He's been missing training
camps for a decade and he's still playing at thirty
seven or thirty eight, you know, And so that's it.
If you keep your body in shape, your time to
get back on task is shorter. But for me, the
biggest thing was, like I said, getting that body used
to the punishment.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, that's I always kind of wondered because I know
for me, certainly a quarterback, we didn't get hit, did
a ton of throwing. But I always there was something
about that red jersey that a quarterback wears. It just
it makes it not real, you know what I mean.
You never know when you're going to get that push,
a hand on the shoulder, or just that yank, that
grab where you have to be really strong and sturdy
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in the pocket and you can get lazy in the pocket.
You're not worried about Oh they came coming with this
blitz and I got to make sure I get it
out right here. You're not worried about getting hit or
anything like that. But when you play in a game
the field, it just becomes I don't know, there was
something about it. I need to get hit. I want
to get hit. I want to get that field, to
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get my timing down.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
You want to get hip, but not too hard, no, no,
not just be real.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Just something about in the preseason, because I've always said
Week one it's the fastest week in the NFL. Everyone
is healthy and it's fast, and you're not used to
playing much, and especially now with so little that the
players get done in the preseason. Now they have ramped
up certainly the practice, the joint practices, but it's just
very different.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, and they you are ramping up game next Friday,
a week from Friday, August eighth against Cleveland, So you
know that's kind of that schedule. I was talking about
how long you get ready to play a game. That's
what they're dealing with. So we'll see how they deal.
We'll talk about that next week for sure, Jake, does
it surprise you at all? A guy that I've been
excited about? I said that this last week Hunter Renfro.
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You said, I'm more excited about the guet. But Hunter
has been making plays. You know, I saw that debo.
Sweeney came and watched him at practice on Monday, which
I just thought was super cool. But how cool is
the story is this? With Rentfro It's already been a
Pro Bowl player in his career, He's only twenty nine.
He sat out last year and contemplated not playing again.
To hear that he's back early in camp making plays. Man,
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just what an awesome offseason acquisition for us?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, Jordan, I think what I said was, I know
what he's gonna be like. I'm not I'm more excited
to see Leget because I think there'll be a jump
like Renfro. It's like, I think even coach Finale said it. Yeah,
that's exactly what he was. It's who he is. And
you know, watching some of the some of the video
and just him doing one on one routes and it's
that security blanket for Bryce. But no, certainly it's a
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and it's welcome because he basically he told Dabbo and
I think Dabo said it. Hey, he only said he
was coming to play for Carolina because it's home. I mean,
think about that. I mean, if he's from some other place,
he's probably gonna want to sign near his home. But
he wants to be around family and play and that's
a that's a win for the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well, one thing that I'm loving hearing is we you
and I both have been like optimistic talking about the
team this offseason and as we've gotten closer to the
beginning of the season, man like we feel like the
pieces are in place. And we talked last week first
season in six years where we don't have either a
new quarterback, new head coach, or a new GM. Are
you seeing anything or reading anything Jake to make you
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think otherwise that we can be excited as Panther fans.
It's part of this organization for this season.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
No, I think we need I think there needs to
be oftenibus. I'm one hundred percent the way the whole
first year went with Canalison his first time being a
head coach, Dan's first time being a general manager, Brant
coming in, that three headed monster that we have at
the top, and I just think the continuity that they
brought into the offseason, but also they coach Canallys is
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going to be so much different. I think Dan's going
to be different. Okay, have an idea. Now, certainly things
will pop up, but I just think for us, how
we finished the season on a high note, doing well,
showing progress, being competitive the last six to eight weeks
of the season. So how can we take that next step? Well,
last year we remade the offensive line in one off season.
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This year we're trying to remake the defensive line in
one off season. Yes, getting Derrick Brown back is a
huge piece, but signing Turk Wharton, signing Bobby Brown, signing
you know, Pat Jones, getting the DJ Wantam the whole time,
drafting the two young kids in the second and third
round scording in Princely. I mean, we have remade our front.
There is optimism. I think our receiver rum has been
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greatly improved, but there's still some parts of this team
that it remains to be known. Whereas the depth at
the quarterback position, Yeah, you have Mike Jackets certainly have
JC Shawn Smith. Wade did some great things last year,
so you know, and then the safety we signed Trevor Morrigan,
Demani Richardson's he's starting to make some plays. So guys
are gonna have to step up. But it's all gonna
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come down to linebacker play, you know, having Josie have
to hang it up because of the head issues. That's
that's Trevor Wallace, right, He's thrown into the limelight, so
is Roseboom. The health of those guys are paramount and
those are things that we just we haven't seen yet.
So yes, there's optimism, and I'm anxious to see how
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these guys do in these situations. But I don't want
to sit here and bang a drum that you know,
we're winning the Vision, We're going to the super Bowl.
We're a team that's going in the right direction. And
I've been saying it since the season ended. I first
time I have felt this way since I started doing
the radio in twenty nineteen. We're going in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Well I'll take that and we'll end on that, Jake,
And next week we get to talk about a preseason
game coming up and how much the Veterans play and
all that. So exciting stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I got another two a day later because we got
no rules in Idaho in the summer high school football,
so I got to gear up and get ready for
that thing. Man, no acclimation period for us.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Oh that's awesome. Well, I know you're going to be
doing a great job and you have the camera's following you.
I'm hoping you're not trying to be mister you know,
tough gud because you got to.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I am. Yeah, I'm trying to today it's for the camera,
as I can, Jake.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
That's that's the joy grooves that I know and love. No,
but that's great. I enjoyed your voice sounds better than
last week. I'm looking forward to talking next week as
it'll be week one and I'm geared enough to head
up to Charlotte to watch that first preseason game myself,
so I'm excited. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Man, have fun. I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Be good.
Wow, Jordan and Jake.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I go good, I'm excited, ready to go the home stops.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
He throws at a crossfield. Guess who, George Gross.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Here are your Panther Hall of Honor members Jordan Gross
and Jake Delome.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Jake, this is a special podcast episode with me, and
I'd like to tell you why.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'd like to hear what so I am in it.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Normally I'm you know, I'm in my at the office,
at the farm here or up above my barn, all
by myself. But I've got company today. There is a
crew here from k b YU. Is that right, guys?
BYU Sports, I'm sorry, BYU Sports in Utah. They're doing
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a feature, like a twenty or thirty minute feature on
me and my football program in my life here to
run during the Utah versus BYU rivalry game week, to
be broadcast all over the internet. So it's kind of
a big deal, Jake. And right now they are recording
me recording this.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well, you are a big deal. Let's get that straight.
I'll tell you you are the Jordan Groves, right, mister
Utah right, So exactly right. But I think that's great.
I think it's awesome because you know what, I'm not
saying this because we're on the air. I've always told
you how fortunate I think these kids should feel the
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program that you're running. You're giving them taste of a
high end high school program, college football elements, with pro
football elements. You're incorporating all of that, and so I
think that's great that they're coming to show that and
maybe more guys, you know, after they're done playing, and
many of them have jumped into coaching, but high school
football is its purest form, and that's what you have
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the most impression on a young kid.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now's it was fun having them at practice today. Those
guys are out there filming me coaching my butt off,
doing tackling drills and all that kind of stuff. And
the best part is, Jake, I didn't have to act
like any different. There's already enough animated me, as you
know from my scratchy voice that my coach voice right
now for good content. But they're gonna be here all
team week. We're doing whitewater rafting tomorrow, the little team
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bonding experience. And it's been a lot of fun. But
you said that, yes, said, high school experience is the
pinnacle of high school football. Did you happen to see
our friend Greg Olsen on Busting with the Boys podcast
this I think it was last week they ran it
and they were talking about high school football. Did you
hear any of those clips from that episode?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I did hear a clip via the X platform. It
was like a minute twenty seconds and he talked about
high school in his purest form. And you know what,
what in Greg's dad his coach. If I'm not mistaken, okay, yeeah,
you through high school? Yeah and so, and you can
only imagine because my dad didn't coach me growing up,
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but if he would have, I would have had the
kid that would have had the hardest time, you know
what I mean, Like I would have been the example.
And so I'm assuming Greg's dad did the same to him.
But you know what, it's it's so true. That's just
something about high school football. It's just it's it's just
near and dear to so many people's heart, and especially mine,
because that's your buddies, that's the guys you went to
You go to school with all your life.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh, absolutely, those guys. It was hilarious. So they were
talking about the funny things about high school football, They're like,
how many times have you heard thunderstruck in a locker room?
They started laughing, And the hilarious thing is it's still
the dang same. Those guys still play that those same
songs Inner sand Man. I've heard it five thousand times
since I became a high school football coach again. And
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they were referencing when you traveled on the bus to
the game you weren't allowed to talk because you had
to focus. You know, they're laughing about that, and then
I'm sitting there going, oh, that's what I do with
our kids. It's the same.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean, yeah, but Jordan, I vividly remember on a
bus because I went to a small one a high school,
Like we had one bus to go to a game.
It wasn't like we were and we all had our
own seat. I mean we had twenty five guys, but
like chin strap strap, mouthpiece in the mouth, in the
mouth on the bus going through the game.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
We're a little bit different now. We actually have a
trainer that travels with us. So we get there and
then she'll tape the ankles or whatever. And the worst one, though, Jake,
is all these guys get their wrist tape by a trainer, right,
and I'm like, guys, all that is that process to
tape your wrist is pre wrap and then tape. There's
like barely a joint in there and it's just a
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straight line. So I tease them all to like, you
got to learn how to tape your own dang wrisk.
This is embarrassing. We have a line of fifteen guys
getting their wrist tape and you know it's just cosmetic
because they wanted to stick out from their gloves. Right.
So I got my guys the standard. It like, you
get made fun of until you learn how to tape
your own wrist shake.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I like that. I do because I think they should
be able to do that. But I like that now.
So you're I'm surprised. I really thought you would be
taped some ankles, knowing how you are come here.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Let me I don't do it, Jake. I like, we
have the trainer and we have another coach that likes
to tape the ankles. I stay away from it. I
really tried to let make sure the guys know. My
stance is you're not getting taped or anything unless it's severe.
Like I had a kid yesterday at practice who we
were doing the we call it first Things First, right,
(05:23):
it's this whole team drill we do. We practice run,
but we practice blocking, practice shocking and shedding. As a defender,
we practice tackling. It's rapid fire a bunch of reps.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, evidently he got kicked below the belt. Okay, so
he had you know, that's a painful situation. All of
us guys know that. And this is a senior who's
like worked his way up to begetting to where he's
like got a possibility to start maybe even two ways.
And he comes over to the trainer and he's like,
I got kicked below the belt. It hurts real bad.
What should I do? It's like, hey, you know what
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the best ability is? What coach availability? You better get
back out there, man, go. And so he's like, all right, fine,
he goes out there and gets back in it. But
you got to help teach those guys a little bit, Jake, like,
we don't need to tape everything.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I agree with you. Now, My question is this do
you guys in Idaho? Is it a ramp up period
like you can practice a few days without helmets and
helmets and shoulder paths, Like is this his acclamation period.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Okay, this is what's wild about Idaho summer. No rules, right,
So well, I guess there are rules like we can
have seven padded days in a ten day window once
during the summer, okay. But in the summer, if I
wanted to have seven to a days, I can do
it in a row. Okay, no ramp up period. But
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then when you get to the school year when the
season officially starts, whoa wha, whoa, whoa, whoa. We got
to ramp up. So now we have to go two
days of helmets, then two days of shells, then two
days of full pads, and there's rules. If you want
to have two days, you can. We have two then
you have to do so there's rules then, But in
the summer, the kids are on their own. If the
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coach was a maniac, then the kids just got to
deal with that.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So we're in two days right now because I think
our coach, our kids have like quasi maniac as their coach.
I'm not sure, but we're doing two a day's right now.
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
We probably should talk some panthers though, Jake, thanks for
humoring me on my.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Own, but it's football. Season.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It is football season, and it all goes together, Jake,
It all goes together.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
The Panthers, they do have the Panther NFL has a day.
We talked about this last week. Their ramp up period
is very immense. Finally, the Panthers were able to get
pads on on Monday and they got to do a
little hitting, Jake, And guess what it got people excited?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Of course it did, Jordan. And you know what I
was thinking about it. I was listening to all the
press pressers after the first day and sounded like maybe
Cuba and Treve Wallace gotten a little tussle and things,
and that was so normal, you know, I mean, it
was so he got used to it. But you you
weren't really ever the fight guy at the start, the
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fight guy. That was never your deal.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, I'd practice, I because I generally practiced, especially you
know when I was going at Julius Peppers all the time.
He was he was He's a Hall of Fame NFL player,
but he's a Hall of Fame practicer. So that guy
would go absolute full speed until he got into a
precarious situation with him or someone else, and then he
(08:36):
would immediately hit the brakes, like hold me up if
I was falling over, if we were getting close to
you over the quarterback, you know, he'd peel off. So
he really helped teach me the right way to do it.
Fights generally happened with guys like our good friend Steve Smith,
where there's above and beyond and we're hands in the
face and the whistle's blowing and we're tackling guys in
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the ground or whatever above. Also, Jake, including the fact
that I had good practice habits with the guys that
I learned from, I also was just pretty dank tired.
And if nothing that'll wear you out like a fight.
Now the only time you only the best time though
to use a fight is if you can stage one
and get kicked out of practice. That's something I never
had the guts to do, was the fight to get
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kicked out of practice to get some reps actually off.
It's actually a reward for fighting that coaches don't know about.
I never had the guts to do that when Jake,
but it crossed my mind many times.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, you know, I used to love it, and I
think the thing it would make me laugh because anytime
there was a fight like to go do what push
somebody in with your hand on a helmet.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
You can't punch the helmet. It hurts your own hand.
It's it's the opposite of what you're trying to accomplish.
It has to be the football tough guy fight is
I grab your face mask, you grab mine, and we
just see who can give each other more of a
neck in issue than anything else, right.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
The Sean Foster, head coach of UCLA and Adam Yeah, man,
it was a live goal line situation and they got
into it, and it was a it was a wrestling match,
a tesling match, and it's hot and Spartanberg get tired
and you're using all this energy. So we get back
in the huddle and the Shawne's back in the huddle
and so we called the Planet's a run play again,
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and through the mouthpiece, he just tells me, change your play,
change a play, throw a change your plate. He wanted
to catch his breath because he's exhausted, that's why, and
you were it's so exciting, That's what.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I'm talking about. I got into a fight when after
he left and we were with Cam. It might even
been my last year against the Rams, Robert Quinn was
a defensive vent and he took a cheap shot on Cam.
So the next play, and I was kind of already
getting annoyed at the guy because I was like thirty
three and he was twenty one or something, and I
was probably just jealous of the energy that he had
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in quickness that was fading for me rapidly. Uh. But
he cheap shot at We run like a read option,
you know, and Cam gave the ball clearly and the
quarterback's not protected. Then he blew him up. So the
next play, pass play, I summon every ounce of energy
I have and pancakeh on the pass play right, he
gets up mad, we do the face mask grab. Everybody's
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getting after it. Steve jumpson, of course, law what's his name?
Chris Long was the defense on the other side. He
gets ejected. It was awesome, right, the crowd's going nuts.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Jake.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I couldn't breathe for like five minutes after that. I
was so tired.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
The Angelo Williams on the Goodness, the Matador, the Ola handoff.
Newton got slammed down after the handoff. He got hurt
on that player. Quinn had a free shot at the
back of Newton who was doing that again read option
handoff and he took the brunt of that in the back.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
No Cam is hurt on that play. He's a tough man,
but I know that he's hurt.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
He's up, but a little woozy. Three receivers to the right,
two to the left. Noodle from a very clean pocket
goes over the middle, caught Olson thirty five yard line.
Olsen takes it to the thirty two before he is
hit in the head. And now we have Jordan Gross
in a fight. Bell comes over, knocks Quinn loose. Talbert
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comes over, pushing Quinn. Dunbar comes in.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
This is one of the bigger scrums in the National
Football League. Now the helmet comes off, Dunbar loses his helmet.
They're still pushing and shoving the officials trying to get
control of a ugly situation in front of the Panther bench.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And then they threw the.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Red helmet open the side. It's still some doing.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
What doesn't pushbowl?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Now everybody's throwing flags. All the officials.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Eject their flags at once, and this may take a
while to sword out.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, like the airbags went off, Oh my goodness, who
was that ninety one.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
It was Chris Love who threw the flag and he's
just walking to the sideline because you need to get
your walk home, because that's that's gonna be kicked out
in the game. When that one, surprisingly, Steve Smith had
to be restrained.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Oh no, yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Smith has never met a skirmish that he did not
invite himself too.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
But that was. This has been brewing ever since.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
The first quarter, the tired time Quinn's been in the
middle of it. Mike Tolbert has had plenty to say
Jordan Gross, and Jordan's.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Just defending his quarterback personal.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Foul defense number ninety one bold punts his actions.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
He's been disqualified from the game, he got thrown off
the game.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And you need long. I'm telling you you need Long
on this you He's.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
A guy that you need. Jordan Gross is as animated
as you're ever going to see. Number sixty nine, so.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Tired that thank god we were down here the goal line.
I think we scored and got to get to the sideline.
I never went after oxygen. That might have been one
of the only times I ever had too. Because the fight,
it's pine or flight. If your hair grade accelerates, you
got superhuman strength and then you're just depleted.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Oh gosh, it's something so small and just bringing joy.
That's all right though, it's all football, and we're just
talking about the pads, getting the pads on, little.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Chippiness and you know, and listening to some things. I
listened to Darren Gant. He was talking about I get
the one on one battle, and that's something that he
brought up. That's the first thing he likes to do
with pads. He said, I don't want to see receiver
one on ones. I want to go see offensive defensive
lineman one on ones. And just talked about the sheer
size you know, of Robert Hunt, him and a Shawn Robinson.
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And then he brought up about Julius and and Jordan
gross Is like what he said, they would go against
each other and you just watched high level football and
that's what it's about. It's about getting those pads on
and getting fits and things like that, and that's that's
real football. It always comes down and I know it's
so juvenile of safe, but it's blocking and tackling and
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catch and running. I mean, that's that's what it comes
down to.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well, one of the best things about getting into the
pads for alignment. So when you guys wear shoulder pads, right,
you got you obviously your shoulders are projected, and then
you come down there's the chest plate in front, right, Well,
it's cut out, so you go the football player can
move their arms and have some mobility. Well, the line
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of that chest pad where it connects to the shoulder
pad just kind of follows like your del toy down
into your peck. What it's also cut out for your neck, right. Well,
those end up being outstanding handles for offensive linemen. Like
that's what you teach is when you shoot your hands
and punch pass, pro run game or whatever, I'm clamping
as soon as I can grab that chess play to
that shoulder pad, Like that's a handle, well that's connected
(15:46):
by straps to the upper body of the guy you're blocking. Right,
Defensive lineman uses as well, or they grab that shoulder
pad and pull in pass thrush moves. When you're doing
all this stuff in spiders and helmets or just walk
through whatever is the line, you're without that tool, and
in real football it's a critical piece of what you're doing.
So like one on ones with no pads on, right,
(16:08):
Like that is the hardest thing to do for an
olignment is to win a one on one pass rush
with no pads on, especially with no helmet, because now
you're keeping your head out of there even more, which
you should do technically in a pass pro situation anyways,
but you're just feeling vulnerable. There's nothing to grab. The
guy's wearing a dang T shirt. You punch it, it
slides off. You know, there's nothing, there's no equipment there.
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So when the defensive line gets their pads on, man,
the scales are sure balance with the O line and
it's just fun. Like now we can run block, Now,
we can get our fits. Now we do team run
or nine on seven and I can fire off and
hit the hip of that down guy and try to
get him move vertically. We're not just you know, nice
guy in each other. And to talk about what we
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talked about last week, Jake, just the the ability for
the O line, D line to get in game shape
with having pads be in every other day kind of deal. Man,
They've got to just those reps are so precious and
they got to milk everything out of each one of
those they can because like our Panthers were in pads Monday,
now today helmets and Spiders pads, agains Wednesday, Thursday day
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off pads, Friday pads, Saturday, Sunday back in helmets. So
it's better for the players. But man, Like, the reason
it's talked about is because it's a different game when
football's played in full gear, like it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
How long would you say you truly believe you would
need to get ready to play a whole game?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Like if just when you were like when we were
able to play.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You mean when you were able to play. So you're
twenty seven years old, you're in the prime of your career, Like,
how long it do you truly and be effective? Be like, okay,
I'm pretty good. How long do you think it take?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I think if you had, like yourself, a good two
weeks and then game week, okay, So like I would say,
we need to be due, how long to get ready
to play a football game? I need two weeks, you know,
Monday through Saturday. We're practicing because like I got as alignment,
I gotta get my body durable used to taking hits.
(18:18):
You know, I know you felt that way as a quarterback.
Like you would say, I like those first preseason games
because I kind of hope I get hit. You gotta
use that well. Same with the lineman. Like you can
train and run and lift, I can be in great shape,
but like I'm not used to get my hand smashed,
my neck, you know, thrown around my back, tweaked in
weird positions, you know what I mean. So you gotta
(18:38):
have that. You gotta get used to the speed and
the contact and all that. But I think in I
think in a week hard first week and then a
second week where we're still doing six or seven days
of it, but I'm lightening up by the end to
try to get recovery and then go into game week.
Or you can get that done. And you see that
with veteran guys that hold out or set out.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You know, Trent.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Williams is the mass through this. He's been missing training
camps for a decade and he's still playing at thirty
seven or thirty eight, you know, And so that's it.
If you keep your body in shape, your time to
get back on task is shorter. But for me, the
biggest thing was, like I said, getting that body used
to the punishment.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, that's I always kind of wondered because I know
for me, certainly a quarterback, we didn't get hit, did
a ton of throwing. But I always there was something
about that red jersey that a quarterback wears. It just
it makes it not real, you know what I mean.
You never know when you're going to get that push,
a hand on the shoulder, or just that yank, that
grab where you have to be really strong and sturdy
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in the pocket and you can get lazy in the pocket.
You're not worried about Oh they came coming with this
blitz and I got to make sure I get it
out right here. You're not worried about getting hit or
anything like that. But when you play in a game
the field, it just becomes I don't know, there was
something about it. I need to get hit. I want
to get hit. I want to get that field, to
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get my timing down.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
You want to get hip, but not too hard, no, no,
not just be real.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Just something about in the preseason, because I've always said
Week one it's the fastest week in the NFL. Everyone
is healthy and it's fast, and you're not used to
playing much, and especially now with so little that the
players get done in the preseason. Now they have ramped
up certainly the practice, the joint practices, but it's just
very different.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, and they you are ramping up game next Friday,
a week from Friday, August eighth against Cleveland, So you
know that's kind of that schedule. I was talking about
how long you get ready to play a game. That's
what they're dealing with. So we'll see how they deal.
We'll talk about that next week for sure, Jake, does
it surprise you at all? A guy that I've been
excited about? I said that this last week Hunter Renfro.
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You said, I'm more excited about the guet. But Hunter
has been making plays. You know, I saw that debo.
Sweeney came and watched him at practice on Monday, which
I just thought was super cool. But how cool is
the story is this? With Rentfro It's already been a
Pro Bowl player in his career, He's only twenty nine.
He sat out last year and contemplated not playing again.
To hear that he's back early in camp making plays. Man,
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just what an awesome offseason acquisition for us?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, Jordan, I think what I said was, I know
what he's gonna be like. I'm not I'm more excited
to see Leget because I think there'll be a jump
like Renfro. It's like, I think even coach Finale said it. Yeah,
that's exactly what he was. It's who he is. And
you know, watching some of the some of the video
and just him doing one on one routes and it's
that security blanket for Bryce. But no, certainly it's a
(21:36):
and it's welcome because he basically he told Dabbo and
I think Dabo said it. Hey, he only said he
was coming to play for Carolina because it's home. I mean,
think about that. I mean, if he's from some other place,
he's probably gonna want to sign near his home. But
he wants to be around family and play and that's
a that's a win for the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well, one thing that I'm loving hearing is we you
and I both have been like optimistic talking about the
team this offseason and as we've gotten closer to the
beginning of the season, man like we feel like the
pieces are in place. And we talked last week first
season in six years where we don't have either a
new quarterback, new head coach, or a new GM. Are
you seeing anything or reading anything Jake to make you
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think otherwise that we can be excited as Panther fans.
It's part of this organization for this season.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
No, I think we need I think there needs to
be oftenibus. I'm one hundred percent the way the whole
first year went with Canalison his first time being a
head coach, Dan's first time being a general manager, Brant
coming in, that three headed monster that we have at
the top, and I just think the continuity that they
brought into the offseason, but also they coach Canallys is
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going to be so much different. I think Dan's going
to be different. Okay, have an idea. Now, certainly things
will pop up, but I just think for us, how
we finished the season on a high note, doing well,
showing progress, being competitive the last six to eight weeks
of the season. So how can we take that next step? Well,
last year we remade the offensive line in one off season.
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This year we're trying to remake the defensive line in
one off season. Yes, getting Derrick Brown back is a
huge piece, but signing Turk Wharton, signing Bobby Brown, signing
you know, Pat Jones, getting the DJ Wantam the whole time,
drafting the two young kids in the second and third
round scording in Princely. I mean, we have remade our front.
There is optimism. I think our receiver rum has been
(23:29):
greatly improved, but there's still some parts of this team
that it remains to be known. Whereas the depth at
the quarterback position, Yeah, you have Mike Jackets certainly have
JC Shawn Smith. Wade did some great things last year,
so you know, and then the safety we signed Trevor Morrigan,
Demani Richardson's he's starting to make some plays. So guys
are gonna have to step up. But it's all gonna
(23:49):
come down to linebacker play, you know, having Josie have
to hang it up because of the head issues. That's
that's Trevor Wallace, right, He's thrown into the limelight, so
is Roseboom. The health of those guys are paramount and
those are things that we just we haven't seen yet.
So yes, there's optimism, and I'm anxious to see how
(24:11):
these guys do in these situations. But I don't want
to sit here and bang a drum that you know,
we're winning the Vision, We're going to the super Bowl.
We're a team that's going in the right direction. And
I've been saying it since the season ended. I first
time I have felt this way since I started doing
the radio in twenty nineteen. We're going in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Well I'll take that and we'll end on that, Jake,
And next week we get to talk about a preseason
game coming up and how much the Veterans play and
all that. So exciting stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I got another two a day later because we got
no rules in Idaho in the summer high school football,
so I got to gear up and get ready for
that thing. Man, no acclimation period for us.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Oh that's awesome. Well, I know you're going to be
doing a great job and you have the camera's following you.
I'm hoping you're not trying to be mister you know,
tough gud because you got to.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I am. Yeah, I'm trying to today it's for the camera,
as I can, Jake.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
That's that's the joy grooves that I know and love. No,
but that's great. I enjoyed your voice sounds better than
last week. I'm looking forward to talking next week as
it'll be week one and I'm geared enough to head
up to Charlotte to watch that first preseason game myself,
so I'm excited. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Man, have fun. I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Be good.
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