October 2, 2025 • 21 mins
This week on Jordan & Jake, the guys talk about what is like to manage a major injury, recap the Panthers week 4 loss to the Patriots, preview this Sundays home game against the Miami Dolphins, and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Jordan and Jake.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I go good, I'm ignited, ready to go.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
The bump stops.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
He throws at a crossfield. Guess who George grows?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Here are your panther Hall of Honor remembers Jordan Gross
and Jake Delome.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Jake, today's October first, so that's good news. October. I
don't know this won't air on October first, but today
is the first of October, and October I think is
becoming as I get into my mid forties, my favorite
month of the year. Why is that the weather's awesome?
There's not like when you get older. It's like, oh yeah,
(00:41):
I could maybe wear a jacket today. Like that gets
me real excited, you know, like the chain, Oh yeah,
this is blue jeans. I got blue jeans today, and
I might wear a jacket or a hooded sweatshirt. And
when the weather calls for that, you get a little
it's like a little treat or.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Some to it.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Jake. I don't understand why I never paid attention to
it for my first thirty five years, probably, and then
now the October is just gets me excited. So I
just thought i'd share that. Jake. I know you're I
agree with you in climate down there. But there, you know,
the football, football, like across the country, gets a little
more important, you know, Like now high school we're in
(01:20):
conference games. The the college teams are mostly through their
non conference schedule. I don't know, it's a good time
of year, man.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
No, I can agree with you there, and I usually
feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
There's only one problem. We're going to approach record highs today,
like in the.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Three Yeah, well that's I mean, I can help you.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But it was only about seventy this morning when I
got up, So that's that's always a win.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
When they can almost touch in the sixties, that's that's
that's a win.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
How many cups of coffee? Does the weather determine your
coffee and take? It?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Does not?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It's it's steady.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, every day.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You're such a routine guy. I can't You've told me
this before, But how many cups of coffee?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I drink one in the morning before I leave because
you know, I have to watch the news in the
weather just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
You do you listen to talk radio? You watch at
the same time.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
No, not not not not, that's radio.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
And then I'll make me a cup when I drive
to the bourn and there, you know, kind of step
that a little bit on the way in a little
bit when I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
At the born.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
What's making a cup of coffee for you? Is it
just like a coffee pot you have like a cuig No,
it's a.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
It's a and it's it's black, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I like my coffee black with a teaspoon of honey,
local honey honey. Yeah, that's my money and coffee. Yeah,
that's my that's my sweeten or no cream or anything
like that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I don't know that I've ever heard that, Jake.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It is phenomenal. Just money in coffee.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, that was new, your weird, you know, And that's
what just confirms it further.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
What do you put in tea? Sugar?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I don't break tea at all, all right, just making
sure anyways, Uh, homecoming week for me at the old
high school level. Okay's deal a deal?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Did you pick the opponent for homecoming week?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
You know? Specifically, I would say that you typically want
to pick a matchup that you feel like you've got an.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Opportunity, complete focus focused by your team.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, and I don't can you know any disclaimers of
all that anything can happen. But right now we're playing
pretty well. So we're five and oh so we should
I'm hoping that we can get it done, have a
good homecoming, you know, great powder Puff tonight, Jake. Last
year in the powder Puff game, two girls collided faces
had to go straight to the hospital with stitches down
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the broad Wow. A little extreme, a little extreme in
my book, but nonetheless, Jake, a lot of changes on
the Panthers roster this week. Did you hear that we've
got an IR another alignment on IR?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, I did, Jordan, It's ah, but listen, that's part
of it. There's so many injuries now in the NFL,
so many teams that are going through this. And you know,
last year with our offensive line, we were very lucky
and this year we're just having some We've been hit
by the injury bug a little bit. But next man
out and you know, hopefully somebody can step in and perform.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Well, that's just the standard issue right there, Jake. I
feel like there's like a little I feel like there's
a little something under the surface with you right now,
potentially about our Panther status. But Brady Christiansen will come
in as the right guard familiar name, the depth, proving
valuable already only four weeks into the season, Jake, But
we bet I don't feel real great if we get
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another injury. I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, Jordan, I'm kind of like you. It's a.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You know, Robert Hunt really and truly his first four
years in Miami and then last year basically knock.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
On wood, he was injury free and then he gets
a bicep. You know, we know Austin Corbett has had
a history of some injuries, and I think we thought
it might have been worse with the knee in Arizona.
It doesn't sound like it is season ending, so maybe
we could grab him and get him back at some point.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
But yeah, it's just been especially for Zaballah, you know,
fourth round pick who really and truly he's never had
a true chance to prove himself because he gets in
there and puts some decent footage on film.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But the injury bug has just been it's been difficult
for him, very difficult. Exactly right.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
And I'll said David Moore elbow injury, Jake, the dreaded
elbow injury. He's on IR as well, so our receiver
leaguet was already out last week and now more on
ir So, just it's been kind of tough, Jake, it's
kind of been one week ago we were so pumped
about the thirty to zero, now forty two thirteen, forty
two straight unanswered points. Just talk us through as a
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panther guy, like where you're at here, Jake.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
You know, Jordan, probably just more like frustrated, I guess
you could say, because you know, like I do see improvement.
I think our roster is better this year than it
was last year. I like some of the young guys
that we had, but just you know, it's just frustrating
because you felt, I don't know, maybe it's me and
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I'm too optimistic. I just I felt Jacksonville didn't lose
the game, and Arizona didn't lose the game. I don't
think they won the game, to be quite honest, I
felt like we just gave them things with it with
turnovers and points and we just little things where I
know we can perform better, we didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And then we play Atlanta and yes we had one
muff kick on a kickoff on a punk turn, but
other than that, just a queen football game and we
destroy him. And then last week, you go right down
the field in the first drive, so effortless, and then
it's like we stalled. We stalled at the punt and
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then they returned at eighty something yards for a touchdown,
and it's just demoralizing. And we had some other issues
on punt and we lost another receiver, d Levon Campbell,
someone we claimed off waivers, I believe from the Chargers,
who showed up so much the week prior as a.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Gunner, and I always felt we didn't really have a gunner,
and we got one through the waiver wire, which was
great by the front office, and then he's on IR.
So yeah, Jordan, it's just been tough man. Both defensive
starting outside linebackers. Rush guys didn't play last week and
so Nick s Gordon had to play a bunch and
Princely and yeah, they're doing a good job, but it's
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just that was frustrating, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Jordan, I didn't expect that. Now. I did not think
New England was a bad football team.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
If you watch them play against Pittsburgh, should have won
the game. They had four turnovers and two of them
one was going over the goal line to score and
another one was in the red area. So there was
a team that really and truly should have been Pittsburgh
and they're not a bad football team at all. But yeah,
so we played a team on a short week with
a major injury in Miami and they've had some struggles.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
But I think I'm frustrated.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I think you can hear to my voice, but I
think you can everyone feels that way. I think Canalis
as optimistic as he is. I mean, I think Dave
said it after the game and he took total ownership.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I gotta find it. I got to do something different.
And that's a coach basically sending a big shot to
the team, like, hey, you know, and the team credit
some of the players that are talking. It's not the coaches,
it's us. I mean, they're squarely taking the blame. And
as a player, you've got to decide. You have to
decide do you want to get better or not? Do
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we want to week in and week out. We can't
just be a one time a week, once a month,
Oh we had.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
A good game, we feel good. No, it's got to
be and you go back to work on Monday. Then
when you come back on Wednesday, it's we've got to
get better. We got to build on it, you know,
and I think we'll play better this week.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Is just that's the frustrating point.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
As a head coach of a smaller operation, I can
sympathize with coach Canalis when he says, like, I have
to figure out how to prepare the team better. Man.
You can hyper analyze everything, Jake, like you go through
in the offseason when everything's fine. Here's our training camp schedule,
Here's how I want to do things, Here's what I
want to do on Tuesdays on Wednesdays. Once we get
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in the regular season, blah blah blah. And then you
can just start thinking, Okay, all right, and every decision
when you're the guy in charge, every decision is gigantic
to you. So, hey, I'm thinking about going noepads on
Thursday or you know, whatever the case may be. How's
that going to be? What are the guys going to
think of that? Is that going to make them think
that I don't think we should compete hard? Is that
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going to make them think that I'm taking care of
their bodies and it's going to energize them? Okay, maybe
we should do full we should do a live goal situation. Okay,
if I do that, what if somebody gets hurt? Well,
what if it also shows the guys that we got
to play tougher. What you know, on and on and on,
and it's such a long NFL season, and then you
get the injuries that come up in and around at Jake,
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and as the head guy at this situation, I feel
for coach Canalis because there's so many variables that are
out of his control and then he's just got to
be hyper analyzing everything and figuring out, all right, where
can I get that competitive edge? Jake, As a player,
it's funny because you just like we would get the schedule,
we would get the meeting times, the coaches would come
in with the game plan. I know you as a quarterback,
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you had more say in that, and we're involved more
than like I would have been as alignment. But when
you're receiving it, it's just so easy that that's what
we're doing and you can kind of criticize it a
little bit, But as the head guy, Jake, it's it's
all up to you, and he's right man to take
that accountability and say I got to figure out how
to do a better job. What are some things that
you think he can do? Right? Like, we got it.
(11:01):
Now we're the Dolphins a winnable game. Back at home,
Like if you're saying, what would you what would you
want him to do here?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Okay, I mean, just well and listen, it's so difficult
because there's new CBA with the amount of padded practices
and things. I mean, we knew how we were going
to practice way back when, right we knew we're gonna
have paths at least one day a week, and then
the next day we're going out in full paths to
get through nine on seven, which is in essence a
run drill because offhensive linemen. Indeed, you have to get
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your fits defensive line and linebacker has to get their fits.
And so then we take it off halfway through practice
once that was over and done with.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So we knew, but now what is.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It sixteen padded practices they can have during the course
of the.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Year, So you have to be selective and and and
things like that. So it's just and I hear you questioning, okay,
am I doing this right? Am? I?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And I can only imagine what somebody's going through when
it comes to that you know, like when you're just
constantly okay, could you want to do what's right for
the team, But it comes a point in time where
the team has to say, hey, coach, whatever you decide,
we're going to do, and we're going to execute it
at a high level.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Right. I mean I'm wrong for thinking. To me, that's
where my mind goes. Well.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I was very close with Ron Rivero when he became
our coach because I was one of the elder States.
Manuel was my ninth year when he got here, and
then we were together for three years through my eleventh season,
and he would ask my opinion on things a lot.
And I remember, especially when he first when he first came,
he would he was so respectful and he would ask
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players and his assistants and he would ask you know,
the GM and not that he didn't want to be
a charge, but like just asked for feedback.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And I think he finally.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Learned too that man, sometimes you got to quit asking,
you know, Like there were so many different opinions. If
if coach Canalys right now went around and asked every
player and the owner in the GM and the scouting department, man,
what they think we should do? Jake he'd get fifty
different answers, so you know, he's and I think there's
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a lot of conviction. I don't know him closely, but
I feel like there's a lot of conviction in him
trusting his processes, and he speaks about it so so
well and knows what he believes. But that's it, man,
He's just got a staff to stick to what he
thinks is right for this team. And you were well
said when you said the teams just kind of have
to say whatever you need, coach, We're going to go
with it and do it. So be anxious to see
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where it goes from here. Jake, Yeah, the Dolph go ahead,
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
No, I agree, And I think you know, like and
I'm thinking about him, listen, he wants to run the
football right establish it. I don't know if we've seen
that yet from Tuba. Tuba's a volume carrier.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
He's one that he gets lubed up in the better well,
the first two games, that's completely out of the window.
We were able to see some of it a little
bit more in the Atlanta game, right, and then again last.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Week out the window.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You know, it's it's after the first half of the
run game. In essences out the window.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Like that's that's who we need to be.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And I know we have issues up front, We've had
some injuries, but you've got to Jordan, you and I.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Both know what a run game does. We never we
You never played in a pass happy offense, and neither
did I. Right, it was a coach Fox.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It was defense, run the ball, play action, pass, take
a shot, things of that nature. Same thing with Ron
y'all ran the ball because y'all had the freak of
all freaks at quarterback who could just put on a
cape and do things on his own, and he just
got better and better as a passer.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Which ended up him being the NFL you know, league MVP.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
But that's Carolina was known as that tough kind of
like that that physical offense and defensive football team, you know,
And that's something that in listening to date, that's what
he wants to do.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
That's the that's the background, that's the history. His pedigree
is coming from Seattle with this physical run game and
the play action passes, take shots in the past game
and a physical, you know defense. So that's kind of
where I think his mind is right now. It has
to go.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I hope to see it this week. Man, it's just
just back at home. I've already said it October, you know,
beautiful weather and a Miami team that's limping in a
little bit, Jake, like you said, on a short week,
and then that terrible injury to Tyreek Hill. I know
you probably saw the video on that, Jake, Like spit
grewesome injuries. I had one myself with, you know, a
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complete break on my lower right leg and had it
hanging there sat you know, no bone structure intact and
foot backwards and all that. We're used to injuries, Jake,
but man, it's it's rough when you see some of
those that look so bad like that Tyreek Hill injury
did Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Never I mean one you hate injuries, but just gosh,
I saw him live, Jordan.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I'm in the kitchen and I saw it, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Like, oh, you just you physically get weak, and you
know I physically I was next to you when that
happened to you.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I mean, you saw it happen. You just knew like,
oh my gosh. You know, it's just it's one of
those and how the team responds to it. I mean,
our team we were in an absolute complete funk when
that happened to you, because you just know and I'm
not just praising you. Everybody knew what you meant to
the team and which you brought to the team. But
and the crazy thing is you just got to get
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over it. But we're playing a team that was struggling mightily.
And yes, they had to.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Win on Monday night, so it's a shorter week. But
I mean, you know, the Jets, my gosh, thirteen penalties,
fumbled going into the end zone, some turnovers. The Jets
kind of they thought their coach was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Aaron Glenn was like.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Until you decide you're not gonna lose, you can't win,
and that's you.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
He was exactly right.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
So we're playing a team that's coming there. Number one
playmaker is not there to a win. Under center a
lot more last week had a lot more success. Darren
Waller is a freak show of a tied end.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Who had a good idea night. You know they're going
to try to run it and wait turnover free because
they're saying, I promise.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
You, they're saying in their meetings is that, Hey, you
don't know what you're gonna get with this team, but
we can cause the turnover from them, and we can
jump on top of them and make them one dimensional.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
That's probably what's being said in their meeting room.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
No, one hundred percent, they're saying very similar things to
what we are too. Hey, it's a one in three team,
it's a winnable game. It's October football. Let's get back
on track. Yeah, Jake, no magic answers. When tough things
get like this, and you and I unfortunately were parts
of seasons where there were slumps like this. You know,
after remind everybody about what happened after our Super Bowl year. Jake, Sure,
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so two and six, Yeah, we're no.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
One in six, one in seven, I think, Jordan, we
were we okay, sure, No, we lose the first game
and you lose Smitty, you know, Steve Smith for the year,
right breaking.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Broken in injury, he's injuries.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, but not only that, we just we started losing
guys left and right. We had a tackle we signed
in the offseason, Adam Metals retire, Stephen Davis, Deshaun Foster,
Chris Jenkins, Dan Morgan. We just started we lost all
these stones on our football team and then we're playing
in San fran who was an awful football team, and
we're down at half and I remember John Fox, he
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laid it into It's like I had never heard him
lay into this before.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
And he was a tough, tough coach, and it basically
was like.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You decide to get over it, I mean, and sure enough,
we just were like screw it.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
In the second half. We just took off and then
we won what six out of seven or seven out
of eight whatever, it was six out of eight maybe
to finish the season, and we gave ourselves a chance
going into the final game of the season to even
make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
But we were signing guys like on Wednesdays and they're starting.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
For us on Sunday. We signed a full back, Casey Kramer.
If I'm not mistaken, because Brad Hoover got hurt. You know, hey,
we met him Wednesday morning. How you doing. Yeah, You're
starting at fullback on Sunday. And we played phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
We just we went back to our core concepts our
or this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna run,
you know, tosskater power, counter and then Nick Gowan's became
that running back. We changed the passing game to everything
got filtered through Moose instead of Smitty and Moose.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Now we have to go.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
It's just you have to find a way.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And when players decide to find a way, then that's
when I think you can really kind of get things
jump started.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
The last thing I have has nothing to do with
the Panthers, but I read a good article on ESPN
about QB's strategies and how they talk to the officials
before game and end game. Jake, and I'd seen Bryce
talk to the quarterback or the officials from time to time,
but just that relationship, Jake, it is just I think
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it's something that'd be fun to hear from you, Like,
did you work those officials when you were a quarterback?
Try to get some calls maybe a rough in the
past or how is that for you when you were
on the field.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Listen, I think you developed a relationship with some of
the officials, you know. And hockey le he was he
was a gentleman and he was you know, he didn't
get emotional.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Gene's terratory I thought was awesome. A few of them,
Uh god, what was the other I'm trying to blink
on another one's name, maybe Phil was peel lucky well anyway,
but you develop a relationship with him.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But the whole rough in the pastor stuff that was
called very different than it is now, right, I mean
they're laying the body on you.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I mean they drove you into the ground.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
That was coached. But you had a couple of jordan
that listen, they were what they were.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
They thought they were holier than now, and they just
you couldn't talk to them. And you know, I know
their names, I won't repeat them, but just they were
they thought they were holier than now, you know, and
they just didn't want to talk to anybody. But it
just is what it is. But you try to have
somewhat of a working relationship. I mean, I remember ed
hockey Lee we in Dallas and we're playing. It's the
week before Thanksgiving and I throw and I get I
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felt it was late, and I mean I get picked
and driven.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
But when I looked at him and he was like
a jake, it was close.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It was close.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I just didn't think, I'm okay, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
He told me the truth, you know, I mean, he
told me the truth. Whether I agreet it, but at
least you didn't lie to me, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I like the ones that you can kind of talk
to or they'll tell you something, Hey, you better warn so.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
And so it's getting close on this, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Things like that where you know, not just coming at
you right away with trying to you. Now, I thought
I was growth asking Jake, are you working the game
this weekend?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yes, sir, I'm working it and I'm fired up.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Good luck matching Polos You and Luke, no doubt that's
the secret weapon at this point. Will go with anything
that we can to get us what we need. Okay,
Jordan Gross.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
If it works, it works. It's very simple.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Have fun, buddy, talk to you soon, all right,
Jordan and Jake.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I go good, I'm ignited, ready to go.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
The bump stops.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
He throws at a crossfield. Guess who George grows?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Here are your panther Hall of Honor remembers Jordan Gross
and Jake Delome.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Jake, today's October first, so that's good news. October. I
don't know this won't air on October first, but today
is the first of October, and October I think is
becoming as I get into my mid forties, my favorite
month of the year. Why is that the weather's awesome?
There's not like when you get older. It's like, oh yeah,
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I could maybe wear a jacket today. Like that gets
me real excited, you know, like the chain, Oh yeah,
this is blue jeans. I got blue jeans today, and
I might wear a jacket or a hooded sweatshirt. And
when the weather calls for that, you get a little
it's like a little treat or.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Some to it.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Jake. I don't understand why I never paid attention to
it for my first thirty five years, probably, and then
now the October is just gets me excited. So I
just thought i'd share that. Jake. I know you're I
agree with you in climate down there. But there, you know,
the football, football, like across the country, gets a little
more important, you know, Like now high school we're in
(01:20):
conference games. The the college teams are mostly through their
non conference schedule. I don't know, it's a good time
of year, man.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
No, I can agree with you there, and I usually
feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
There's only one problem. We're going to approach record highs today,
like in the.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Three Yeah, well that's I mean, I can help you.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But it was only about seventy this morning when I
got up, So that's that's always a win.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
When they can almost touch in the sixties, that's that's
that's a win.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
How many cups of coffee? Does the weather determine your
coffee and take? It?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Does not?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It's it's steady.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, every day.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You're such a routine guy. I can't You've told me
this before, But how many cups of coffee?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I drink one in the morning before I leave because
you know, I have to watch the news in the
weather just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
You do you listen to talk radio? You watch at
the same time.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
No, not not not not, that's radio.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
And then I'll make me a cup when I drive
to the bourn and there, you know, kind of step
that a little bit on the way in a little
bit when I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
At the born.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
What's making a cup of coffee for you? Is it
just like a coffee pot you have like a cuig No,
it's a.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
It's a and it's it's black, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I like my coffee black with a teaspoon of honey,
local honey honey. Yeah, that's my money and coffee. Yeah,
that's my that's my sweeten or no cream or anything
like that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I don't know that I've ever heard that, Jake.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It is phenomenal. Just money in coffee.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, that was new, your weird, you know, And that's
what just confirms it further.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
What do you put in tea? Sugar?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I don't break tea at all, all right, just making
sure anyways, Uh, homecoming week for me at the old
high school level. Okay's deal a deal?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Did you pick the opponent for homecoming week?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
You know? Specifically, I would say that you typically want
to pick a matchup that you feel like you've got an.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Opportunity, complete focus focused by your team.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, and I don't can you know any disclaimers of
all that anything can happen. But right now we're playing
pretty well. So we're five and oh so we should
I'm hoping that we can get it done, have a
good homecoming, you know, great powder Puff tonight, Jake. Last
year in the powder Puff game, two girls collided faces
had to go straight to the hospital with stitches down
(03:57):
the broad Wow. A little extreme, a little extreme in
my book, but nonetheless, Jake, a lot of changes on
the Panthers roster this week. Did you hear that we've
got an IR another alignment on IR?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, I did, Jordan, It's ah, but listen, that's part
of it. There's so many injuries now in the NFL,
so many teams that are going through this. And you know,
last year with our offensive line, we were very lucky
and this year we're just having some We've been hit
by the injury bug a little bit. But next man
out and you know, hopefully somebody can step in and perform.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Well, that's just the standard issue right there, Jake. I
feel like there's like a little I feel like there's
a little something under the surface with you right now,
potentially about our Panther status. But Brady Christiansen will come
in as the right guard familiar name, the depth, proving
valuable already only four weeks into the season, Jake, But
we bet I don't feel real great if we get
(04:58):
another injury. I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, Jordan, I'm kind of like you. It's a.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You know, Robert Hunt really and truly his first four
years in Miami and then last year basically knock.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
On wood, he was injury free and then he gets
a bicep. You know, we know Austin Corbett has had
a history of some injuries, and I think we thought
it might have been worse with the knee in Arizona.
It doesn't sound like it is season ending, so maybe
we could grab him and get him back at some point.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
But yeah, it's just been especially for Zaballah, you know,
fourth round pick who really and truly he's never had
a true chance to prove himself because he gets in
there and puts some decent footage on film.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But the injury bug has just been it's been difficult
for him, very difficult. Exactly right.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
And I'll said David Moore elbow injury, Jake, the dreaded
elbow injury. He's on IR as well, so our receiver
leaguet was already out last week and now more on
ir So, just it's been kind of tough, Jake, it's
kind of been one week ago we were so pumped
about the thirty to zero, now forty two thirteen, forty
two straight unanswered points. Just talk us through as a
(06:10):
panther guy, like where you're at here, Jake.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
You know, Jordan, probably just more like frustrated, I guess
you could say, because you know, like I do see improvement.
I think our roster is better this year than it
was last year. I like some of the young guys
that we had, but just you know, it's just frustrating
because you felt, I don't know, maybe it's me and
(06:34):
I'm too optimistic. I just I felt Jacksonville didn't lose
the game, and Arizona didn't lose the game. I don't
think they won the game, to be quite honest, I
felt like we just gave them things with it with
turnovers and points and we just little things where I
know we can perform better, we didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And then we play Atlanta and yes we had one
muff kick on a kickoff on a punk turn, but
other than that, just a queen football game and we
destroy him. And then last week, you go right down
the field in the first drive, so effortless, and then
it's like we stalled. We stalled at the punt and
(07:14):
then they returned at eighty something yards for a touchdown,
and it's just demoralizing. And we had some other issues
on punt and we lost another receiver, d Levon Campbell,
someone we claimed off waivers, I believe from the Chargers,
who showed up so much the week prior as a.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Gunner, and I always felt we didn't really have a gunner,
and we got one through the waiver wire, which was
great by the front office, and then he's on IR.
So yeah, Jordan, it's just been tough man. Both defensive
starting outside linebackers. Rush guys didn't play last week and
so Nick s Gordon had to play a bunch and
Princely and yeah, they're doing a good job, but it's
(07:50):
just that was frustrating, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Jordan, I didn't expect that. Now. I did not think
New England was a bad football team.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
If you watch them play against Pittsburgh, should have won
the game. They had four turnovers and two of them
one was going over the goal line to score and
another one was in the red area. So there was
a team that really and truly should have been Pittsburgh
and they're not a bad football team at all. But yeah,
so we played a team on a short week with
a major injury in Miami and they've had some struggles.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
But I think I'm frustrated.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I think you can hear to my voice, but I
think you can everyone feels that way. I think Canalis
as optimistic as he is. I mean, I think Dave
said it after the game and he took total ownership.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I gotta find it. I got to do something different.
And that's a coach basically sending a big shot to
the team, like, hey, you know, and the team credit
some of the players that are talking. It's not the coaches,
it's us. I mean, they're squarely taking the blame. And
as a player, you've got to decide. You have to
decide do you want to get better or not? Do
(08:51):
we want to week in and week out. We can't
just be a one time a week, once a month,
Oh we had.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
A good game, we feel good. No, it's got to
be and you go back to work on Monday. Then
when you come back on Wednesday, it's we've got to
get better. We got to build on it, you know,
and I think we'll play better this week.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Is just that's the frustrating point.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
As a head coach of a smaller operation, I can
sympathize with coach Canalis when he says, like, I have
to figure out how to prepare the team better. Man.
You can hyper analyze everything, Jake, like you go through
in the offseason when everything's fine. Here's our training camp schedule,
Here's how I want to do things, Here's what I
want to do on Tuesdays on Wednesdays. Once we get
(09:31):
in the regular season, blah blah blah. And then you
can just start thinking, Okay, all right, and every decision
when you're the guy in charge, every decision is gigantic
to you. So, hey, I'm thinking about going noepads on
Thursday or you know, whatever the case may be. How's
that going to be? What are the guys going to
think of that? Is that going to make them think
that I don't think we should compete hard? Is that
(09:53):
going to make them think that I'm taking care of
their bodies and it's going to energize them? Okay, maybe
we should do full we should do a live goal situation. Okay,
if I do that, what if somebody gets hurt? Well,
what if it also shows the guys that we got
to play tougher. What you know, on and on and on,
and it's such a long NFL season, and then you
get the injuries that come up in and around at Jake,
(10:15):
and as the head guy at this situation, I feel
for coach Canalis because there's so many variables that are
out of his control and then he's just got to
be hyper analyzing everything and figuring out, all right, where
can I get that competitive edge? Jake, As a player,
it's funny because you just like we would get the schedule,
we would get the meeting times, the coaches would come
in with the game plan. I know you as a quarterback,
(10:37):
you had more say in that, and we're involved more
than like I would have been as alignment. But when
you're receiving it, it's just so easy that that's what
we're doing and you can kind of criticize it a
little bit, But as the head guy, Jake, it's it's
all up to you, and he's right man to take
that accountability and say I got to figure out how
to do a better job. What are some things that
you think he can do? Right? Like, we got it.
(11:01):
Now we're the Dolphins a winnable game. Back at home,
Like if you're saying, what would you what would you
want him to do here?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Okay, I mean, just well and listen, it's so difficult
because there's new CBA with the amount of padded practices
and things. I mean, we knew how we were going
to practice way back when, right we knew we're gonna
have paths at least one day a week, and then
the next day we're going out in full paths to
get through nine on seven, which is in essence a
run drill because offhensive linemen. Indeed, you have to get
(11:31):
your fits defensive line and linebacker has to get their fits.
And so then we take it off halfway through practice
once that was over and done with.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So we knew, but now what is.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It sixteen padded practices they can have during the course
of the.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Year, So you have to be selective and and and
things like that. So it's just and I hear you questioning, okay,
am I doing this right? Am? I?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And I can only imagine what somebody's going through when
it comes to that you know, like when you're just
constantly okay, could you want to do what's right for
the team, But it comes a point in time where
the team has to say, hey, coach, whatever you decide,
we're going to do, and we're going to execute it
at a high level.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Right. I mean I'm wrong for thinking. To me, that's
where my mind goes. Well.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I was very close with Ron Rivero when he became
our coach because I was one of the elder States.
Manuel was my ninth year when he got here, and
then we were together for three years through my eleventh season,
and he would ask my opinion on things a lot.
And I remember, especially when he first when he first came,
he would he was so respectful and he would ask
(12:36):
players and his assistants and he would ask you know,
the GM and not that he didn't want to be
a charge, but like just asked for feedback.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And I think he finally.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Learned too that man, sometimes you got to quit asking,
you know, Like there were so many different opinions. If
if coach Canalys right now went around and asked every
player and the owner in the GM and the scouting department, man,
what they think we should do? Jake he'd get fifty
different answers, so you know, he's and I think there's
(13:07):
a lot of conviction. I don't know him closely, but
I feel like there's a lot of conviction in him
trusting his processes, and he speaks about it so so
well and knows what he believes. But that's it, man,
He's just got a staff to stick to what he
thinks is right for this team. And you were well
said when you said the teams just kind of have
to say whatever you need, coach, We're going to go
with it and do it. So be anxious to see
(13:30):
where it goes from here. Jake, Yeah, the Dolph go ahead,
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
No, I agree, And I think you know, like and
I'm thinking about him, listen, he wants to run the
football right establish it. I don't know if we've seen
that yet from Tuba. Tuba's a volume carrier.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
He's one that he gets lubed up in the better well,
the first two games, that's completely out of the window.
We were able to see some of it a little
bit more in the Atlanta game, right, and then again last.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Week out the window.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You know, it's it's after the first half of the
run game. In essences out the window.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Like that's that's who we need to be.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And I know we have issues up front, We've had
some injuries, but you've got to Jordan, you and I.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Both know what a run game does. We never we
You never played in a pass happy offense, and neither
did I. Right, it was a coach Fox.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It was defense, run the ball, play action, pass, take
a shot, things of that nature. Same thing with Ron
y'all ran the ball because y'all had the freak of
all freaks at quarterback who could just put on a
cape and do things on his own, and he just
got better and better as a passer.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Which ended up him being the NFL you know, league MVP.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
But that's Carolina was known as that tough kind of
like that that physical offense and defensive football team, you know,
And that's something that in listening to date, that's what
he wants to do.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
That's the that's the background, that's the history. His pedigree
is coming from Seattle with this physical run game and
the play action passes, take shots in the past game
and a physical, you know defense. So that's kind of
where I think his mind is right now. It has
to go.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I hope to see it this week. Man, it's just
just back at home. I've already said it October, you know,
beautiful weather and a Miami team that's limping in a
little bit, Jake, like you said, on a short week,
and then that terrible injury to Tyreek Hill. I know
you probably saw the video on that, Jake, Like spit
grewesome injuries. I had one myself with, you know, a
(15:29):
complete break on my lower right leg and had it
hanging there sat you know, no bone structure intact and
foot backwards and all that. We're used to injuries, Jake,
but man, it's it's rough when you see some of
those that look so bad like that Tyreek Hill injury
did Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Never I mean one you hate injuries, but just gosh,
I saw him live, Jordan.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I'm in the kitchen and I saw it, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Like, oh, you just you physically get weak, and you
know I physically I was next to you when that
happened to you.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I mean, you saw it happen. You just knew like,
oh my gosh. You know, it's just it's one of
those and how the team responds to it. I mean,
our team we were in an absolute complete funk when
that happened to you, because you just know and I'm
not just praising you. Everybody knew what you meant to
the team and which you brought to the team. But
and the crazy thing is you just got to get
(16:21):
over it. But we're playing a team that was struggling mightily.
And yes, they had to.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Win on Monday night, so it's a shorter week. But
I mean, you know, the Jets, my gosh, thirteen penalties,
fumbled going into the end zone, some turnovers. The Jets
kind of they thought their coach was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Aaron Glenn was like.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Until you decide you're not gonna lose, you can't win,
and that's you.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
He was exactly right.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
So we're playing a team that's coming there. Number one
playmaker is not there to a win. Under center a
lot more last week had a lot more success. Darren
Waller is a freak show of a tied end.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Who had a good idea night. You know they're going
to try to run it and wait turnover free because
they're saying, I promise.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
You, they're saying in their meetings is that, Hey, you
don't know what you're gonna get with this team, but
we can cause the turnover from them, and we can
jump on top of them and make them one dimensional.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
That's probably what's being said in their meeting room.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
No, one hundred percent, they're saying very similar things to
what we are too. Hey, it's a one in three team,
it's a winnable game. It's October football. Let's get back
on track. Yeah, Jake, no magic answers. When tough things
get like this, and you and I unfortunately were parts
of seasons where there were slumps like this. You know,
after remind everybody about what happened after our Super Bowl year. Jake, Sure,
(17:40):
so two and six, Yeah, we're no.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
One in six, one in seven, I think, Jordan, we
were we okay, sure, No, we lose the first game
and you lose Smitty, you know, Steve Smith for the year,
right breaking.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Broken in injury, he's injuries.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, but not only that, we just we started losing
guys left and right. We had a tackle we signed
in the offseason, Adam Metals retire, Stephen Davis, Deshaun Foster,
Chris Jenkins, Dan Morgan. We just started we lost all
these stones on our football team and then we're playing
in San fran who was an awful football team, and
we're down at half and I remember John Fox, he
(18:18):
laid it into It's like I had never heard him
lay into this before.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
And he was a tough, tough coach, and it basically
was like.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You decide to get over it, I mean, and sure enough,
we just were like screw it.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
In the second half. We just took off and then
we won what six out of seven or seven out
of eight whatever, it was six out of eight maybe
to finish the season, and we gave ourselves a chance
going into the final game of the season to even
make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
But we were signing guys like on Wednesdays and they're starting.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
For us on Sunday. We signed a full back, Casey Kramer.
If I'm not mistaken, because Brad Hoover got hurt. You know, hey,
we met him Wednesday morning. How you doing. Yeah, You're
starting at fullback on Sunday. And we played phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
We just we went back to our core concepts our
or this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna run,
you know, tosskater power, counter and then Nick Gowan's became
that running back. We changed the passing game to everything
got filtered through Moose instead of Smitty and Moose.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Now we have to go.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
It's just you have to find a way.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And when players decide to find a way, then that's
when I think you can really kind of get things
jump started.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
The last thing I have has nothing to do with
the Panthers, but I read a good article on ESPN
about QB's strategies and how they talk to the officials
before game and end game. Jake, and I'd seen Bryce
talk to the quarterback or the officials from time to time,
but just that relationship, Jake, it is just I think
(19:43):
it's something that'd be fun to hear from you, Like,
did you work those officials when you were a quarterback?
Try to get some calls maybe a rough in the
past or how is that for you when you were
on the field.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Listen, I think you developed a relationship with some of
the officials, you know. And hockey le he was he
was a gentleman and he was you know, he didn't
get emotional.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Gene's terratory I thought was awesome. A few of them,
Uh god, what was the other I'm trying to blink
on another one's name, maybe Phil was peel lucky well anyway,
but you develop a relationship with him.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But the whole rough in the pastor stuff that was
called very different than it is now, right, I mean
they're laying the body on you.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I mean they drove you into the ground.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
That was coached. But you had a couple of jordan
that listen, they were what they were.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
They thought they were holier than now, and they just
you couldn't talk to them. And you know, I know
their names, I won't repeat them, but just they were
they thought they were holier than now, you know, and
they just didn't want to talk to anybody. But it
just is what it is. But you try to have
somewhat of a working relationship. I mean, I remember ed
hockey Lee we in Dallas and we're playing. It's the
week before Thanksgiving and I throw and I get I
(20:53):
felt it was late, and I mean I get picked
and driven.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
But when I looked at him and he was like
a jake, it was close.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It was close.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I just didn't think, I'm okay, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
He told me the truth, you know, I mean, he
told me the truth. Whether I agreet it, but at
least you didn't lie to me, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I like the ones that you can kind of talk
to or they'll tell you something, Hey, you better warn so.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
And so it's getting close on this, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Things like that where you know, not just coming at
you right away with trying to you. Now, I thought
I was growth asking Jake, are you working the game
this weekend?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yes, sir, I'm working it and I'm fired up.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Good luck matching Polos You and Luke, no doubt that's
the secret weapon at this point. Will go with anything
that we can to get us what we need. Okay,
Jordan Gross.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
If it works, it works. It's very simple.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Have fun, buddy, talk to you soon, all right,
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