Media Mash: A Staple in Schotty's Offense

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is Media Match, a roundtable of Cowboys insiders, drum wisdom,
and offering sizzling takes on the current state of your
Dallas Cowboys. Now your host Knew, he scrugs.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Media match time Here on a Tuesday at the Star
getting ready for the Green Bay Packers on Sunday Night football.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Jerry World.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
You know the writer's your favorite people, josh Acques, Taylor,
Bobby Bell, Nick Harris.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
I am new he scrugs.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Well, guys, last time I was around the Cowboys, it
was in Chicago.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
It wasn't pretty.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
The only good thing that happened for the Cowboys when
they left their game these lou moun naughty individual pizzasa
the Chicago pizzas.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
You went out of ten.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
I did not.

Speaker 6 (01:00):
Tommy rist Though, from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, was like
eyeing it really hard, and I was like, I'll distract Glebe,
but if you just want to go up and like.

Speaker 7 (01:08):
He's like, no, no, no, I don't want to get
in trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
I was like, I'm just kidding, but.

Speaker 6 (01:11):
Yeah, I think he was thinking about asking a player
like cashing in a favor or something good.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
It was good. It was good. It was the only
good thing that came out of that Chicago trip.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Here, all right, so let us start on the offensive
line here, Tyler Booker high ankle spraying here, start with you.
Nick Harris for War Star Telegram. I'm imagining TJ. Bass
is the guy here, and if it's and then after TJ. Bass,
who starts to become that backup center in case Hoffman's
hurt and Bass has to go to center, who's the
third guy? Because I know before but I was watching

(01:40):
a preseason I mean that preas I was watching the
pregame warm ups. It had Booker doing that. So where
do they go when you start to think about contingencies.

Speaker 7 (01:46):
Yeah, if you start to talk about, you know, if
Hoffman or Bass were to go down, I think you
would look at Trevor Keegan. He was the guy that
the Cowboys claimed off the Eagles waiver wire right before
the fifty three men roster was made. He's been inactive
these first three games, was honest. He's surprised he was
inactive in Chicago. But they're gonna need him moving forward.
That's a depth piece.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Trouble alert there here right guard Tyler Booker out.

Speaker 8 (02:11):
Yeah, I mean that's a it's a problem. I mean,
at least the other dudes played a little bit. I mean,
he's not like a disaster like you've never seen him
And could he be worse than some other guys we've
seen this shit it is, John, I mean, you could
always get worse. So I shouldn't say that, because every
time you think you can't get worse, it can be worse.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Well, I say that because one of the strengths's football
team that they've been able to run the ball recently here, No.

Speaker 8 (02:31):
They got I mean I think it's obviously's gonna be
more challenging and it's up to Shoddy to figure out
some ways to compensate. We you know it's not gonna
be easy though, No, no, no, no.

Speaker 9 (02:45):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:47):
I mean, look, they they probably need to with the
injuries to lamb the injuries along the offensive line. Right now,
this looks like an offense that's pretty built and geared
towards being able to run the football, and so I
think that that's probably got to be their identity for
about the next four weeks or so because right now.
Your tackles are are not very strong in pass protection,

(03:09):
but they've they've held their own in run blocking. And
if you don't have the weapon of a CD out there,
and you've already got changes on the interior, and you've
got Micah Parsons who loves his A gap pressures coming
into town, you might need to run the football now
this weekend for the next few And.

Speaker 8 (03:24):
Now what's the problem with it? You can't run if
you down twenty one nothing, that's true, that's the problem.

Speaker 7 (03:30):
I also don't love the run protection that brought. Coffin
and TJ. Bass have proven and there are limited starts,
and since they've been with the team, I like Hoffman
and pass protection. I like Bass sometimes in past protection.
But these guys they allow some physical nature to get
around them in the run game.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
They're backups. And that's that's the love right right there. Backups.
I mean, I know some people were upset when they
took Tyler book up. Well we got you know, we
got a perfect guy right there. Apparently they set no
free reason. And to have guys here or you know,
a couple of games is one thing, but to have
guys you another. Another offensive line group here for a

(04:07):
team that lost at the Gun to Cleveland, I would
suspect the Packers would say we should have won that
football game and not get that far. They're coming into
town and you gotta do Michael Parsons, who's coming to
town to put on one Luca like performances here when
he comes to town, especially, he didn't get.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
No tribute VideA, just go.

Speaker 8 (04:26):
I'm gonna put my own my.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Own video together.

Speaker 7 (04:30):
Cowboys have three sacks on the season, as Mike could
get over or under three sacks on Sunday night. I
guess this offensive line I must.

Speaker 8 (04:36):
Say, so you gotta make the Bobby would tell you
got to make the over two and a half.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
Yeah, look, if it was if the Cowboys offensive line
was healthy, I would bet the under right. But because there,
I don't know. With them being compress West as there.
I've just seen a number of different times in big
moments Michael Parsons wants to perform, Michael Parsons starts pressing,
and Michael Parsons can get out of the game times

(05:00):
and isn't always consistent. So I wonder if walking in
here Sunday night football against the Cowboys, he might be
walking in here, pressing a little bit. I still think
he's going to wreck shop. I think he's going to
be an effective player, but I do wonder if it's
going to be I don't know that it's Luca dropping
fifty in front of the AA.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
See when he comes back plusure.

Speaker 8 (05:18):
Now they go to scheme a couple things to help
him out even more than usual because they want him
to do well, because it's important to him.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Sure, sure, and he can do well, especially you know
you start talking about all right, hey, here's Hoffman and
Bass coming right through here. Somebody stop me. I know
these guys, you know that's their thing. I know what
these guys can do. I've gone up against them, so
definitely have an advantage in this football game here, and
this is just an awful time to deal with the

(05:47):
offensive line injuries and then bleed that over into Ceedee
Lamb with a high ankle spraying here and man, the
it's just bad bad timing.

Speaker 8 (05:56):
Did y'all have a problem with CD running a bow?

Speaker 7 (05:59):
No, it's worked in the past. It was a freak
thing that could have happened on a reception as well.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
In my opinion, Yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
Mean, look, it's been a staple of Shot He's offense
for forever. He will put receivers in the backfield, use
him as running backs. Ceed's had some success with it.
Turpin's had some success with it, honestly. I mean, like
I still, I know a lot of people are like, well,
he got rolled up on. Yeah, I got rolled up on,
But he also like clicked his own heel and kind
of stumbled, And if that doesn't happen, I don't think
he gets rolled up on right there. So I mean

(06:26):
it's it's a stumble freak thing that I don't think
anything to do with running the football. But do I
love the idea of just let's take Ceedee Lamb's frame
and run him into the teeth of the front four
or the front seven. Not always, but I mean I
get that's the reality of things that they like to run.
And so that sort of thing's gonna happen just as
often if he's running a cross over the middle of

(06:46):
the field and gets hit by a lineback or two.
And so I don't love it, But I also don't
think it's negligence or anything like that.

Speaker 8 (06:52):
Yeah, I didn't have a problem with it. I mean, yeah,
I think I looked it up. Was he got like
fifty seven carries or something. I mean, he's running the
ball quite freqently. Count I wanted didn't count as a touch.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
I was looking at the play, but I know he can.

Speaker 7 (07:04):
Still was holding all that play didn't even count as
a player.

Speaker 8 (07:08):
Dude, he's getting on my nerves. George Pickens. Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
No, no, no, no, go back, go back into this about
Lamb and this is one of those classic situations that
we questioned it because he got hurt. Well that's but
at the same time, I would say this has been
a part of who he has been as a football player. No,
so I don't want to I can't blame them for
going to a play that they have used before and

(07:36):
it is worked, just didn't work this time.

Speaker 8 (07:38):
No, And I'm I'm one of those guys. I'm a
I don't get mad at me. I mean, Jason Garrett,
process guy, not a results guy, because you can have
great you know, as long as your process is good
normally it works that over period of time if you're
any good at it. And so I don't care about
the result as long as we do this all the time.
It's about because a result can always be bad. You

(07:59):
can call it great play and have bad results.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yes, as they had a bad results. It was a
holding call here. But yeah, but you can't you can't.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
I don't think they're good enough to be well, you
know what, CD, you can't do this or that. Get
your best players in football, right.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
And that's what and that what we always say, right,
players not plays.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Okay, so this is this is one of our best players,
our best offensive weapon.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Here's the ball.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's just stunk that he got hurt on the play
and it is a high ankle spring and everything that
went with it. But I don't blame the play caller
to say, oh, man, throw that away.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
You should never put that out there again. No, no,
do it. Do it.

Speaker 8 (08:36):
This means more touches with Hunter Limkey.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
Now it's better man. Were you pay him? And then
you're like, all right, we're gonna put you on the bench.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
El boogie, let's up with that man, el Boogie.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
He told me he liked that man lip service. You know, hey,
look you're getting to the point right now, we're getting
to that point. You're going ahead throw something going through
something the kitchen sink. These Green Bay Packers come Sunday
night on NBC. This is uh what I thought we
talked a little bit about last week.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Here on the meeting.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
MASH Chicago is a er and two football team is
gonna come fight you. Nobody wants to go and three,
especially at home, they brought the fight. Now you got
a team in here who lost the game they thought
they should have won. And now they're gonna try and
you know, jump on the back of their boy, make
him look good. Like the Lakers are passing Luca the
ball left and right, get it here go. They're gonna

(09:30):
try and make him look good. So they're coming in
here for a win. If you're Jordan Love, You're like, hey, man,
I can cook these dudes in the playoffs. So and
if Russ can drop four point fifty and Caleb can
sit up here and throw for I mean, guys, now,
if you're a quarterback or the receiver, man, this is
my Pro Bowls coach. I need plays this week? What
you got for me?

Speaker 7 (09:46):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (09:46):
Works in reverse. Shouldn't the team here be like, nah,
this stops here. Nah, we can't be in bed. Don't
look at me like that, man.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
That's what it should be.

Speaker 8 (09:55):
I mean we should walk by the meeting rooms right now,
sneak upstairs, past all the reams of security and be
like they fool because everybody's studying tape trying to figure
out what has happened in the last two weeks.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
And I don't think this team doesn't strike me as
lacking fight or or you know, the mental toughness to
just say all right, let me, we want to attack this,
we want to stop at That strikes me that they
may lack players this particular week. I mean, you've got,
you know, a quarter of your starting offenses on the
shelf right now. I mean that that's gonna have an

(10:26):
impact right there. You haven't gotten You've got your secondary
which is banged up right now. The guys who are
healthy aren't playing very well. Your edge rushers haven't been
playing very well. So there's a lot of different things
here that are are impacting you that I think go
beyond fight like. They can want it as much as
they want, but they've got to They got to get healthier.

(10:47):
And I mean, for me, this week with lamb Out,
I know they've been concerned. Shannheimers talk about, Hey, we
got to see consistency from Jaden Blue. To me, it's
like you got to start putting dynamic players that you
have on the show helf out there. And I know
it's it may be faster than you want to, but
extenuing circumstances, say get Jay and Blueso reps this week.

Speaker 8 (11:07):
You need your playmakers. Man, you're down a playmaker. You
need you can get somebody to make a play. You
need them out there.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
And that's that's gonna be a challenge because your defense
is not helping you. You can talk about stopping the run,
but it doesn't matter when they're sitting here dropping bombs
on you left and right. Four point fifty from Russell
Caleb william Not sacked for the first time in his
career in a football game, ties a career high. Now

(11:34):
you got a guy who's arguably a better quarterback than
the two you face the last two games.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
It's the highest passer rating the Cowboys have given up
in the first three games of a season in the
history of the franchise.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
The first tea in ninety two points.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
I mean, and this is a better offense that's coming
in here this week, and a better quarterback and a
running back who you know.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
This this dude, this dude, this dude, turn it up
on you. Man.

Speaker 8 (12:02):
Now see this is bizarrely bad defense because his whole
scheme is designed to do what.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Be safe ben that don't break.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
A wild part about it. That's why so wild.

Speaker 7 (12:11):
Like it's like you finally got the run defense and
it's like, okay, we can we can dedicate some safety
to the past defense.

Speaker 6 (12:17):
Which it's safe if people know where they're supposed to be, Like,
I mean, that's the problem is that's so consistently we
keep renting from Shotenheimer. We hear from you, Refluce, you
can see it. You're like, you don't even have to
hear from them. You can see it on tape. This
guy thinks they're in one coverage. This guy thinks there
in another, this guy, and you see, like, okay, there's
just seriously something off to where their ability to communicate

(12:38):
what they're supposed to be doing in a given moment, or,
as Shoty kind of alluded to, pre snap, when shifts
start happening, when things start occurring before the snap and
everybody else gets the memo or sees it and goes,
all right, we're moving to this now. There's always somebody
on the field who doesn't, and then there's a problem.
And then you've got open space that's happened a lot
with them.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's a problem, man, it is a problem. And it's
and it's said, I had to watch, man, it is
sad to watch. I picked the Cowboys to win that game.
I felt like it was a musk game. Consuder, you're
gonna have to come face the Green Bay Packers and
when you kind of go down that list of games
you think that they.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Should have gotten this year. I think I was gonna say,
I think all of us agreed.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
We had the Giants and Bears on the list of
you know what what they were supposed to go.

Speaker 8 (13:18):
Get a couple of it was coming up too.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, yeah, it's not And look at Russell Wilson's now
on the bench. Yeah, okay, Russ came out here. Oh man,
we're cooking chef Russ. Maybe he still got something man,
next man, and I'll be anxious to see about Caleb Williams.

Speaker 8 (13:35):
Man, Caleb going eighteen for thirty four of one hundred
and eighty nine yards this week, and that you fix
Mikey Dan that's what he's going for this.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
Who Chicago got this week.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
No, it don't even matter.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
So that's like, that's like, you know, when you know
there's certain teams, you know, your favorite college football team,
there's certain you know, hey man, we got so and
so on the schedule. Like that's when you need to
get your letter, you know, player, get your letter that day.
You tell the coach I need to get in. It's
ilaying a week, right, you know.

Speaker 6 (14:04):
Yeah, it's it's it's it's at Vegas. It's Pete Carroll
and the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Oh and Tom Brady was just in the booth.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
This week's we do exactly. Yeah, he's got all the intel.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, he got got the whole player, Pete winning this week.
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Speaker 4 (17:13):
I am new he scrutched. Jadevian Clinney did.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Not play last week against Chicago Bears, so I expect
to see him on Sunday Night Football making.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
His debut against the Green Bay Packers. Will it matter?

Speaker 8 (17:28):
We can't hurt? It should be. I mean, he should
help him, make him better, right, it.

Speaker 7 (17:33):
Could always hurt. Ask the Texans about CJ. Gardner Johnson. Wow,
always hurt.

Speaker 8 (17:38):
Wow. May clan is a professional, even though he'd been
in like seven teams in the last six years.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
No, no, see, that's exactly why he's a professional. He is
a mercenary. This is what he does. He comes in,
he gets hired. He gets hired to come in here
and and make plays, and and he'll be somewhere else
next year making plays for another team that just needs
to add a pass rusher.

Speaker 7 (17:55):
That's that's what he does. He'll be fine, that is
what I mean.

Speaker 8 (17:58):
He don't have to go to training camp. He ain't
got to do with all to be s.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
I think we'll notice him a good life. It's a
good life.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
So for me, when I think of Clowney and I think, okay,
what's the best client you could get, it's going to
be a guy playing opposite of a really good pass rusher.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
So if you're telling me here's Miles Garrett with Cleveland,
there's Clowney.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, that guy should be able to get home right right,
you can get home on some one on ones.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
If he was next to Michael Parsons, yeah, that would help.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
But considering right now, there's nobody getting home on one
side for the Cowboys, and Clowny's.

Speaker 8 (18:32):
Here, well, they have they have a bunch of B
and C pass rushers. Now they don't have an a
guy and so it's a problem. I remember to bring
it all make it all about me. I once told
my son's AAU coach. You know the problem with this team.
My son's the best player. He should be about the
fourth best player. And a week later they would getting
beat fifty five to four at halftime.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
That's just that good spot. See, look what I've seen before.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
If clown if Clowny's ramped up and Clown's ready to go,
and he would have been prepared for the Bears game,
he's beating Braxton Jones once, like, I mean to me
that that's happening. So yeah, I think he's going to
make an impact and he'll be able to do things
regardless of how much help he's got anything else, because
he is an older, savvy pass rusher. You look at
some of the stuff he did last year with Carolina.

(19:26):
He knows how to play the game, he knows how
to play the position. So there's gonna be some of
these like young buck tackles that he can sun a
little bit, and he'll he'll be an effective player just
from that perspective.

Speaker 8 (19:37):
How many snaps can you play thirty right now to start?

Speaker 7 (19:42):
Probably, Yeah, I'm thinking.

Speaker 8 (19:44):
Now he's a better run stops, but you can bring
him in on passing situations.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'm thinking it's gonna be twenty and and so yeah,
I mean to me, if I'm Green Bay as bad
as the Cowboys secondaries, but I'm still I'm pushing Jacobs.
We're gonna run, We're gonna run at you, and then
when the play action comes it will be lethal. But
I'm bringing Jacob Satcher. So that's, uh, that's what I'd

(20:08):
be doing if I were Matt Lafleur.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
I mean this is it. This is also still like
I was just having to look it up.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
I was curious.

Speaker 6 (20:13):
This is still a heavy rotation defensive line as Matti
Refluse comes from that line of thinking like Marinelli does
and Aaron white Cotton comes from that, which is something
San Francisco does a lot of. Who leads the team
and with the among the defensive linemen it snaps?

Speaker 8 (20:27):
Do you think should be a diggy zoo?

Speaker 6 (20:29):
Kenny Clark, He's played sixty four percent of the snaps
this year, so they're not They're not giving anybody big
run out there, Like I mean, it's it's a heavy
rotation where everybody's between like thirty and sixty percent.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
Of the snaps.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
How's that working out?

Speaker 5 (20:42):
They're fresh?

Speaker 7 (20:44):
Oh, efficiency in the run game, that's working out. They're
not getting home to the quarterback though, so the pressure
counts are there. They're just not getting home.

Speaker 8 (20:52):
But they were supposed to scheme suppression.

Speaker 7 (20:54):
There's scheme and pressure. They're not scheming sex.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Because it's tough sledding right now.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
So Brian Schttenheim spoken to press conference, don't work on
some stuff? What do you really work on at this
point in time when you're when there's a talent, and
it seems to be a talent here.

Speaker 8 (21:10):
I think Bobby hit on it. You can work on communication.
If everybody just be where they're supposed to be, we
can be an average defense as supposed to bad defense.
And if your average, then the offense can do what
they do and maybe we can win some games.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
The players did talk about what we were doing the
post game.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
The players did talk about just you know, being communicating
and better at communicating and working together with each other.
And I didn't want to be a jerk when I
said it, but there's a way I tried to. But
we kind of heard that last week. Why can't it
Why isn't it happening?

Speaker 6 (21:39):
Yeah, I mean Brian Schottenheimer has if you want to
talk about verbiage and language, his offensive terminology is some
of the most lengthy complex that exists in the NFL.
Like he he has very long play calls. There's a
lot of different terminology there. I haven't seen issues with
the offense being able to unicate and keep up and

(22:01):
you know, have issues with any of the audibles or
anything else. I don't know why this is such an
issue here, and I'd be interested to go back. It's
probably something that I need to look through this week.
I'd be interested to go look back and see how
many different times in the Chicago media over the last
three years there was something being explained away as the
secondary is not communicating very well. You know, because if
that's the case, there's something wrong.

Speaker 8 (22:22):
I was gonna say, you know, the one thing we
haven't talked about, which is very I do knowed to
worry about.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
I can't remember it because I'm having an old.

Speaker 8 (22:28):
Man moment, which is perhaps there's a learning issue, meaning
like they're not teaching it in a way that players
are comprehending, or that players aren't getting. You know, some
players are visual, some players need to hear by word,
and maybe they haven't figured out. Oh shoot, Taylor can't
can't comprehend it like this. I gotta find another way
to teach it because he's not getting it. Yeah, because

(22:49):
when your whole class is flunking, as somebody who taught
it SMU for fourteen years, you got to look at yourself,
not just the students.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
One player told me they were thinking too much. This
came three different coordinators just out here thinking too much.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Did you believe it?

Speaker 8 (23:02):
It was just a convenient excuse. Well, I'm just asking.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
And I talked to the player who had played in
the same system college did his thing, so.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
And it was it was off the record conversation.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
So it wasn't like he you know, he need a
reason to lie, right, he need a reason to lie.
But we just see the whole flea flicker play. Now
you're watching that thing, and it's like, man, how is
this still?

Speaker 4 (23:30):
It's game? It's week three. Guys are still trying to
figure out what they're doing here.

Speaker 8 (23:34):
That play is designed to fool you. He got he
got caught slipping on that, but that was designed to
fool you. Like the tight end wide open with somebody
would in ten yards that would bother me more.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
So, it's just it just I'm just seeing too much.
But I go back to Zimmer last year. Okay, it
took Zimmer the first couple of games, like what are
we doing here?

Speaker 6 (23:51):
It took him a while to figure out his personnel.
I don't remember there being communication busts.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Oh it wasn't this, this was this that. But this
looks like the Nolan stuff.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
Yeah, that's exactly what.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Okay, this looks like the Nolan stuff. But even then
it was like, okay, guys, what are we doing here?

Speaker 4 (24:05):
What are we doing?

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Then Nolan had to finish his thing and break it
on that, you know, so I don't I don't know.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
I'm just talking to that particular player.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
And look, I mean, if you go back over the
history of recent years dan Quinn, the first eight games
he was here, it was the worst the defense was
in the three years he was here, like like the
half of that year. In the next two years the
defense was at strongest. You're figuring out your personnel. Okay, fine,
Zimmer started the year last year already had to figure
some things out. He had to figure out what can
this guy don All right, let's figure it out, and then.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
They got there.

Speaker 6 (24:32):
Eberflus does deserve probably a grace period here to like,
all right, let me learn what these guys are good at,
how they learn, how they what they excel at, you know,
how their pre snap recognition is, how their post snap
recognition is. There's all these different things out there that
I would imagine Matty Everflush is trying to work through
and understand his players. But there's got to be I

(24:53):
don't know how complex the the communication would have to
be for guys to understand, like you don't have safe
he helped bind you. So so don't act like this
is cover two, Like you've got to know what's happening here.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
And he expected a more intense pass rush because if
you're getting hired as a defensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboys,
you're building that defense around Michael Parsons, and then Michael
Parsons gets you hanged from me the week before the season.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
But also as a guy who comes from a scheme
that and I think Eberflus has even said this, the
most important position on the field for his scheme is
the three technique. Been pretty quet from the three technique
as well.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
It's been real quiet and that And just go back
to what you're saying, Nick, Okay, you think you're gonna
have Michael Parsons and the guys who are here are
giving you nothing. Sam Williams Man Okay, Sam, how much
talking did Sam dude last year about not playing give
him a chant? Well, here it is, brother, you're not
seeing it. Donovan Azaraku, the rookie looks like a rookie

(25:49):
out there.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
You come back.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
There's Dante Fowler comes back after getting to ten plus
sacks in Washington.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Just a dude out there less than that.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
So, yeah, this is bad because even the guys you
thought you had, they're giving you nothing. It's it's Mike
is gone and nobody's doing anything here. So yeah, Kenny
Clark's here.

Speaker 8 (26:10):
It's just the Pips man.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
It's it's on the Pips at least at least he
get the moves. Then they weren't confused. They were they
weren't doing a standard point looking at you, like.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Where are we at now? The Pips new the moves
right now. It's it's just it's tough. It's tough to watch.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
The big question that's being asked is a schemer personnel
And there's so many different talking points to both of
those people issues. The biggest one to it being a
scheme issue is the fact that Malie Cooker has thrived
in the eber Flu scheme before when he was in
Indianapolis and he worked and that that made sense for
him and that's where he kind of had his career
revival after not working out as a first round pick initially.

(26:49):
And then you talk about it being a personnel issue
because the most consistent defensive back over the course of
the last couple of weeks has been Ready Steward. And
there's no reason why Ready Steward should be the most
consistent defensive back unless he's had experience in this system
and it makes sense for him a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Man, you guys asked a question on the show Jerry
in season coaching, Man, we already do.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
Maybe that's what we just said.

Speaker 6 (27:18):
I just all I said. I was just I wanted
some on the record early. I just said, you know,
you told us last year you're never gonna make an
in season head coaching again. I'm just curious does that
philosophy apply to assistance and coordinators?

Speaker 5 (27:32):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (27:32):
I just want to know.

Speaker 8 (27:33):
We can't get out September before Bobby's side.

Speaker 6 (27:35):
I could have been talking about somebody else. He doesn't
know who else about. There are a lot of coaches
on stuff.

Speaker 7 (27:41):
Shoot, the Titans today made a decision on changing their
play call.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
What you're talking about, yeah, exactly was.

Speaker 6 (27:47):
I was like, hey, do you see what the Titans
did with Callahan and you know, seeding the play.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
Call inspired to why I received a coach.

Speaker 7 (27:54):
I know they've done.

Speaker 6 (27:54):
I mean they've done, They've fired a coach an assistant
coach mid season in the last seven years. They fired
Paul Alexander nine weeks into the job.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Poor Pat, don't you did the whole big story of
Paul playing.

Speaker 7 (28:10):
This glowing feature him in his Heines ketchup.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Paul Alexander like, man, everything you touched sometime, padaky man's
and some battle happen to you.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Man, some battle happening. It isn't call. Don't curse man,
I'm mad to the curse.

Speaker 6 (28:23):
I was like, and it lowsy because you just see
that smiling Pat face coming and all.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
I was like, oh man, you thought she was gonna
reair that story later on like Thanksgiving us can't run
and done on that one went.

Speaker 8 (28:38):
On that s an award.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
So I heard the question. I understood it, but I
just kind of said to myself that.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Before Jimmy he was like, man, Jerry can't be mad
at him without being mad at himself.

Speaker 8 (28:54):
He ain't never be mad at it. So now we
ain't take his past rush away.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah, all right, you know this is it's the the
dc GM got to go. I mean you did it,
you did it. I mean you know you put him there,
and we can say do a better job play. Maybe
you want to play some more man whatever whatever scheme wise,
but the general manager didn't help the defensive coordinator.

Speaker 8 (29:16):
No, because the other problem is if you need to
rush with four, you just got ready to elite pass rushers,
and the other guys have never proved individually that they
can be anything other than average pass rushes. Even Dante Fellon,
he's just an average pass rusher.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
I'll say, if communication issues keep going on for several
weeks and this doesn't get any better, at that point,
there would need to be some coaching accountability. And that
was in large part that's why he didn't finish the
season with the Bears last year, is because there were
issues of players feeling like there wasn't accountability. And so,

(29:51):
I mean, that'll be that'll be something that if it
doesn't get hirned out relatively quick, they're going to to
start asking themselves hard questions, do some self scouting, do
personnel changes?

Speaker 7 (29:59):
Having before that happened, so it would.

Speaker 6 (30:01):
Have to shot he would sound like it would. I
mean to me like, at this point, I'm not even
interested in who's the most talented player you can play
in the secondary.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
I'm just gonna like.

Speaker 6 (30:08):
Who who's who knows what's got Like like when they
used to when they put Dennis Houston out there a
couple years ago, and they went, well, he knows where
he's supposed to be. Just get me the guys who
know where they're supposed to be consistently, and that should
fix a decent amount already one year Thomas.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
Season the Savior.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Ladies and gentlemen, this is your Saviors money. But Jay
said helps on the way.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
Is he coming back? He said that in the form
of Deron Bland coming back, and he thinks Savone Revel
is on the horizon too. Rookie out of East Carolina
who hadn't played football in nearly a year.

Speaker 8 (30:44):
Come on, man, stop you, that's what he said.

Speaker 7 (30:47):
It is funny because Savone Revel's pops actually just responded
to that tweet about Jerry mentioning that he said two
rookies started and played for Philadelphia, with one coming off
a major injury. He didn't make it this far talking
about Revel with the believers. He made it this far
because of the non believers. He's built for this ish Okay.

Speaker 8 (31:03):
I'm surprised his dad would say that, Yeah, this saved
it for the first time you give it to down.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
I was expecting that.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
I was expecting the jockline of like savone should be
the fifth best corner here in the room, and he's
the best, and that's a problem.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
I was expecting that.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
See see.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
And so this is the part that gets me a
little bit worried because the general manager is counting on
a third rounder that he's never seen play or practice significantly.
That's a lot of pressure to put on a guy
or think that, hey man, we're expecting you to come

(31:40):
in here as a rookie and and help this really
bad defense. Be one thing, Hey man, Deon's got this
side covered here, you just go ahead and do your
thing here. I mean, they got no side covered around here,
and just say, hey man, get out here, go swim.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
That's that's unfair.

Speaker 7 (31:53):
That's a definition of desperation, right, like, oh, yeah, we
got that guy who I've never seen before.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
And yeah, and you think Jordan Love, oh oh, mister,
I mean, you know, proceders are gonna be hands. I mean,
it's it's unfair. You know, he's not playing this week
against Green Bay. But when when Jerry says reinforcements and
help is on the way and it's never done it
in the league, and then how much how long can
he go?

Speaker 4 (32:15):
I mean, it's it's a lot of unknown. Even he
doesn't know.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
I mean, Britt Brown can tell him something, but we
get to see him out here doing it.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
Yeah, and every every case is unique, and it's it's
a different question completely, it's a different injury related everything
else like that. But I mean, within the last decade,
this team has seen a third round corner step in
and have to play a significant amount and played pretty well.
Jordan Lewis did it in twenty seventeen, was playing better
than chidabey A Wuzia was that year.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
And so.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
I mean they've seen it before. It's a big ask,
but it's not like they haven't seen that before. And
Revel was a guy who, if not for being hurt,
was thought, Okay, this might be a second or even
late first type of player. And so I mean, I
if it's just a guy who has made sure to
stay on top of the classroom stuff and understands the
signals and the communication and all that, well, then that's
not even.

Speaker 7 (33:05):
Half the battle. That's three fourths of the battle right.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
Now, All right, Final segment coming up here.

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joins you. I am newly struts okay, dok Prescott. First
half was, you know, they were doing some things. First drive,
the Cowboys moving down the field. Then Javonte Williams gets

(36:04):
stripped and dude they yeah, then came the touchdown bomb.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yeah, it just went downhill. I'm sorry good no, no, no, no.

Speaker 8 (36:14):
It was a bunch of the small stuff that ruined them.
You know, you got the Javante fumble, you got Tyler
Goiden third and with two or three in the red zone,
illegal procedure you got. Then he whiffs on third and three,
you get a sack. I think still had a holding
call on third and four that had been converted. There's
all these little plays that they that they screwed up on,

(36:34):
but that is what bad teams do. Bro.

Speaker 7 (36:37):
Yeah, yeah, George Picktts handing in an interception to the Bears.

Speaker 8 (36:40):
And yeah, yeah, handing it to him.

Speaker 7 (36:44):
Couldn't have placed it in his life.

Speaker 8 (36:46):
And you know, we sit around here talking about Dak
and what we what do we all say at various times,
Dak in the mid thirties, thirty three to thirty five attempts,
that's the best deck you get. Well, he's already been
over forty a couple times this year.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
They lead they lead the NFL, the Cowboys doing pass
attempts from it.

Speaker 8 (37:03):
And what does Shotty say all off season, We're going
to run above which which.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
I do think to his credit, the running game looks
better than it did last year at this time tremendously.
And and the Giants game, for instance, like they could
have wanted to run the ball all they want there
was they were gonna like they necessitated getting into a
shootout at that point.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
That's the problem.

Speaker 8 (37:23):
Yeah, the way your team is constructed and your defense
is playing, you can't do what you want to do,
which is run the ball and control the game. You
got to pass it, and it's a it's a bad
combination right now.

Speaker 7 (37:34):
It's so funny because if someone from the future came
into this podcast room at the beginning of the season said,
the Cowboys are gonna run the ball well and they're
gonna stop the run this year. Damn fourteen and three.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
So Dak's final line thirty one pass attempts, I mean
thirty one completes the forty pass attempts two hundred and
fifty one yards, averaging six point three yards a a tip,
one touchdown, two picks, and two sacks in a football
game with a b are a forty point zero.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
So that's what he had going on there.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
So he was getting that ball out fast. Yeah, he
was out of those forty attempts, I think thirty three
of them were short of ten yards through the air.
That sounds like somebody, we're a team right now that
just doesn't trust their ability to pass protect.

Speaker 8 (38:17):
Jake Frigs twelve for sixty eight.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
But not that Michael Thomas stat line. Yeah, great, great,
you got one hundred and seventy catches that you're Michael
Thomas on and what eight hundred thirty yards or whatever
it is.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Sorry, that's the Ohio State.

Speaker 8 (38:30):
I was just saying that I was going to lead
a Buckeye slander alone. But there was this smisgeon of truth.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, and it's as I told somebody, DA's not the problem.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Yeah, but you're.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
A part of the problem here, and that's that he's
not the solution. No solution.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
First off, Hey, look, this guy couldn't win a shootout
right now with the way this defense is going to
mean this this this could need to be a good
big twelve team right now.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
What's happening here?

Speaker 7 (38:59):
Stop?

Speaker 4 (39:00):
It couldn't be. No, No, I'm.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Trying to think what to pick twelve team. I would
pick them.

Speaker 9 (39:04):
Up to.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
Stop, to stop, to stop them from score a touchdown,
just one touchdown?

Speaker 8 (39:12):
Stop stop stop.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
Texas tackle is good, man, they have a good defense.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Bought it, Yeah, I mean I'm not mad at Joey
for buying it either, exactly.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
You know what, get some ro o I like Ohio State.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Did you know?

Speaker 3 (39:25):
It's just always we want to decide who who bought
too much and who we don't like buying. Texas Tech
buys and we got a problem your boys buying everybody
act like it's cool.

Speaker 8 (39:35):
Well, we ain't bought them like Texas and Oregon.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Bottom by national champions twenty million dollars. What you buy?
I mean last ye teams bought.

Speaker 8 (39:41):
And look, I was retaining our own dudes. That was
not going out in the marketplace very much.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Lies.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
We tell ourselves, yes, you gotta you want a championship
you paid for and good for you. You would hope
anybody's team would say, yes, let's go pay for it.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
I would hope, so yes, if you go get the
dollars and donors, let's go win this. Be be it
to win it. I'm not mad Ohio State. I give
Ryan Day a lot of credit because he got them
to play. I mean, if we've.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Seen the other school who's misused funds more than Texas,
A and M through the last fifty years, gosh, I
mean all that cash it and Spartan people on the
side and can't even win a conference championship.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
SEC can't tom game. So so yeah, man, do it,
do it? I want. I would love to see Joey
playing in Arlington.

Speaker 8 (40:25):
I am mad a Jewish.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Some other people were the Big twelve media. It was nasty.
You were there Nick.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Some jealousy is going on out there. People just didn't
even hide it. We go talk to your booster club man, Yeah,
go talk to your people.

Speaker 8 (40:39):
They're back that same check book.

Speaker 7 (40:40):
Now one of them is on the street today. Mike Gundy.
He had he did have to after that.

Speaker 8 (40:46):
Can't can't they put that pornographic number up on them
against the Oregon.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Tulsa Tulsa though Tulsa and then lost to Tulsa.

Speaker 8 (40:56):
I mean, there's two embarrassments in the world. You got
to go and the mullet.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
You know, And and once again he goes, amongst other things,
here comes another problem of another university. And this is
almostly what Jerry did with with macarthy. When you see
it's not there, then let it go. Why we bringing
it on back while we trying one more time? There
was enough there that told you didn't like it. Enough
was there with McCarthy that Jerry didn't want to give
him a contract and then let the man go. Last

(41:22):
year they go to they go to Gundhy and man,
you know, gotta give us some money back.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
We're not sure. Let the man go. Let him go.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Now you're sitting around here, the season's gone good luck
trying to sell the rest of your tickets.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Recruits.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Recruits can go now in the new policy, he's fired.
They can get out the door.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
H yeah, good luck, good luck. So if you're not sure,
just go ahead and pop that thing.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Man, keep on you, yeah, letting it roll on, because
same applies to relationships.

Speaker 7 (41:52):
You know.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna both that for the rest
of my life. You're not sure about that thing.

Speaker 7 (41:59):
No comment, notice not to say anything.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
I just quoted somebody. That's all I did.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
I keep this spg over here.

Speaker 8 (42:09):
That's because you sing with your girls. Still watch the show.

Speaker 7 (42:12):
Hey, while we're on the top of it. While we're
on the top of the college football, how about those
North Texas and Green four and oh that's what I'm saying,
guys in South Alabama this week, you know, second highest
playoff odds of any group of five team right now.

Speaker 8 (42:24):
Enjoy it because you play people going the power forward
next year.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
Look and if they get us a playoff berth on
the way.

Speaker 8 (42:30):
Out exactly, Okay, I'll be there's the coach going with him,
he taking the quarterback with him. Where hes going?

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Ookie State, I'll be this. Do you want that?

Speaker 8 (42:39):
I don't want it. You know who Florida FLOYDA needs
to hire, fran Brown.

Speaker 7 (42:44):
I would love that.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
That's what that's what they need to hire. I told
somebody's gonna be coming somewhere in South. Yes, he's gonna
be somewhere in the South. And I know this Between TCU,
Baylor Tech, one of them won't be there next year.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Baylor. You know a friend used to go Baylor.

Speaker 8 (43:08):
That's not a step up from Syracuse. Yes, why do
you say.

Speaker 7 (43:12):
That Syracuse has more money to throw around to build
a roster?

Speaker 8 (43:17):
Baylor had one spot with r G three. They ain't
done nothing before since.

Speaker 7 (43:21):
I think I would say at Syracuse and wait for
a sec drive personally.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
Baylor, just.

Speaker 8 (43:26):
You go to Baylor to go somewhere else. You had
Syracuse go somewhere else. So that's a lateral moves to me.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Don't tell Chris being that.

Speaker 8 (43:34):
Oh I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (43:35):
Beamer, do a.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Beam like that, man, they're a quarterback.

Speaker 7 (43:37):
That's about it.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Do Beamer like that, man. Baylor we got, we got Baylor.
We got Baylor fans here on the program. Sick them sickle,
he said there with no passion.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
It's hard to get passionate about Baylor.

Speaker 8 (43:51):
Yellow today, the Baylor line.

Speaker 7 (43:54):
Yeah, you're Matt in a rush the field before the game.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah, God there with Matt rich Field, the sunglasses on
the field, cankles show.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
I just want more Dave Randa analogies. That's what I want.

Speaker 7 (44:08):
Yeah, yeah, more, uh yeah yeah. Just out there.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Cowboys are practicing. You let this get off.

Speaker 7 (44:18):
Hey, hey, Dave Randa. If it's the coordinator Dallas Cowboys
twenty twenty six, who says no, I would love it
for coordinator availability personally, give give me that coordinator availability
every Thursday afternoon.

Speaker 8 (44:34):
What sign three year deal to you do?

Speaker 7 (44:37):
I don't know. It's a good question, good question.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Assistant deals are standard with the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
Two years, Nick, find that out formorrow show?

Speaker 7 (44:46):
Gotcha?

Speaker 4 (44:46):
All right?

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Do that for tomorrow, Nick Harris, Bobby you back tomorrow. Yep,
you're back tomorrow. J T Sir, Okay, the gang's all
back tomorrow. I'll be back here too.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Chris Ban will be producing me mashed tomorrow right here
on Dallas Cowboy with that guy.

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