September 17, 2025 • 43 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Media Match, a roundtable of Cowboys insiders, drumping wisdom and
offering sizzling takes on the current state of your Dallas Cowboys.
Now your host new he.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Scrugs media mash time here on a Wednesday hump day
at the Star in Frisco, SWBC podcast studio. We got
four star telegrams owned Nick Cares fairly one five fan.
I mean you're here here, you're here, yep, yeah, sure, okay, Bobby, Bobby,
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that's up drilling, drilling, Jerry on Tuesday, Boy.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I appreciate not too bad.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Jack Taylor here the author and for Cowboy Beat right
on new Scruggs. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I'm good, I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Uh. He was in New York, and so I did
feel like I was like, man, I think he's I
think he's multitasking right now.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh you can totally tell yeah, show long, I gotta
do this, but there's I've got other stuff I'm trying
to do.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
So he was, Look, he gave us some good stuff.
But I definitely for the first two three questions like, oh,
I think he's he sounds like he's checking into a
hotel or something like. He just does not sound like
he told what was that again?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
But what are you asking about?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Who was it? So, so when you do.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That show, I remember I used to do it on
the Friday's at ten, So what's the one question you
came away? It's like, I'm glad I asked.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
That, you know, it was probably I mean, I'm glad
we asked him about the defensive coverage issues because he said, basically,
guys just gotta be better. Like essentially, he didn't try
and give them any sort of an excuse for learning
curve or anything else, and he shouldn't. It's cover two
(01:48):
and cover three. It shouldn't be that confusing for guys
to pick up. But also, I mean like we just
kind of said, like, all right, is Aubrey up next?
And throw him that one. Then he was like, yeah,
I think we've talked since the game, and what I
wanted to say, I was want to say his agent
or him who it's.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
So, you know, I did enjoy the fact that you know,
Jerry was you know, previously letting us know when that
Mazzie and Jake Blue were not playing, so it was
you know, it's like the old Dalvin Cook thing with
Dalvin's family. Dalvin his family, we listened on Tuesday agency
when he's.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Play I got that guy some Friday questions. I got
to give him a couple.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So I was just there for the Glory Hill question.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I thought it was a little early for Jerry on
that one, A little early.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
For catching me at like four pm. He'll really be
able to.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, you know, if they've got a few wins under
his but when he's feeling really good. You know, it
was topical though.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You know, Cannard maguire had said something about it, so
he wanted it like like we had it. We were
given him the We're given him the moment right then.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, yeah, it's something there. So all right, what did
you get out of the locker rooms today? Guys?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Yeah, it was George Pickens was talking today, and you know,
he hasn't had the most efficient first two weeks of
the season. I think if you would take it by
George Pickens standards or maybe people expected out of him
coming into this outfit, but you could tell that the
comfort is starting to settle in and I think you
really saw it in the second half of that Week
two game against the Giants, and you know, he spoke
about how his route tree has become more developed since
(03:11):
he's been here at Dallas. He's running more routes, he
feels more comfortable running more routes, and that trust is
starting to build with with Dak Prescott. And you know,
we've we've talked about how this how Dak Prescott has
nine big time throws in the first two weeks and
basically what that means is tight window throws downfield, and
he hasn't had one to George Pickens just yet. And
you've seen him to Ceede Lamb, You've seen him to
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Cavante Turpin, You've seen him to Jake Ferguson, and you
can kind of tell when Dak Prescott is building trust
with a pass catcher, he will put them in those situations.
He hasn't quite done it with George Pickens, but when
it does come and that trust is built, it's it's
gonna add another layer to this offense, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You know, he's always been a guy who goes where
to Reed takes him. He's I mean, that's one of
the reasons that him and Dad has never clicked early
on is okay, you're not open, and you're open by
Rumbo's standard, but not my standard.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Y I got to.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Go go where to read takes me. That's now that
that does often I don't see often. But like just
me back when I play quarterback. I'm not throwing the
ball to Jayalen Tolbert on fourth in the game because
I'm about players plays.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
But he caught it, so I'm not bitching. But had
he not cut it, I would have been bitching. Be like, dude,
I can't do it. Yeah, my nerves are not that.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Big, I will say, And that's I agree. Tolbert is
not necessarily where I would like. All right, online, this
is the throw I w to make, But that's in
the last year. That's too big. Fourth down, here's ball
game throws he's had to make to Jalen Tolbert, and
Tolbert with somebody on his back, made the catch this one.
There was the one on the goal line in Pittsburgh.
So I mean he's he's made me stepped up big
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when they need him to. You know. I think the
Pickens chemistry thing is is interesting because they're they're clearly
I think still kind of feeling it out.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Dak.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
A couple of years ago, when the discussion had started
about the option routes under McCarthy and do they keep them,
do they get rid of him? Dak had said that,
you know, it also matters who you're throwing to. And
I remember I'm talking about CD specifically, and he said,
we've done so much together and work so much together
that like I know him, We've got a rhythm. There's
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a feeling there that like I trust him when I
see that route more than I might trust somebody else
because I know what I'm getting, I know what he's
going to see. I know he knows what I'm going
to see. Like we've got that rhythm, We've got that sync.
I think it's clear there's still some some of the
ones the pass interferance calls he was getting on Sunday
and you'll take those their spot files everything else, but
you could tell not totally in rhythm with where the
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ball should be. The one in the end zone. Pickens
was just willing to kind of like let it drop
in thought he was going to catch it like that.
I think Dak probably put up one that he thought,
go up, attack it. So you're still going to get
the feel for that. It's it's two weeks in, but
I mean two games in anyway, it's it's a full
summer of practices and everything else in. But you know,
I imagine that will probably start clicking more. Yeah, that's
(05:56):
six something like that. Yeah, get through the month season,
start having understand what you're offensive line is, how much
time you have, and what you want to do.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Because remember they didn't have any preseason and preseason. You
can say it is whatever it is, but that's still
game reps even.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
If it's left didn't have any preseason either.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, and now you're talking about more changes. Your offensive
line is changing this week. Your center is gone, so
you know, Bebe's gonna be out, Turpin is possibly not
going to play as much. So you're seeing it's gonna
be a little it's gonna be some changes this week.
I mean, they are an underdog at Chicago. I'm kind
of shocked about it.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
I think it flipped this morning. I think I saw
where the Cowboys were now a one point favorite. But nevertheless,
I mean closer I thought it would be. Yeah, that's closer.
Not though yea, Dallas is now one point favorite. But
that's closer than I thought it would be. Practice Sport
just came out. Turpin was limited today. I think that's
a good.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Song, and I think it's I do think that when
you talk about weathering injuries, obviously it's a drop whenever
you're talking about losing the start it anywhere, but center
is probably the one that you're most prepared to deal
with because Hoffin's worked plenty there. They like what Hoffman
brings in terms of temperament and physicality and different things
(07:04):
like that. Dak has taking snaps from him. It's it's
not like just completely new for him. So obviously you
want your starters out there, especially a line when you're
talking about that, you want the cohesion of everybody. But
I do think that that's probably the area where you
feel like, all right, we can most sustain putting a
backup in there and feeling like we have some familiarity.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So speaking of centers, quarterback exchange and he's turping talk
about fifty chance of rain in Chicago, So.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
This ain't apeman that can handle the w BO Well.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Stills is not easy. I mean that that snapping back,
it's an issue. I'm not saying that can't handle. It's
just it's just something to be aware of. I mean,
you know, my limited time. I will say that there's
limited high school career, just to tell you weather makes
some change now and if it does it at this
level and Maine, what happens that level. But it means something.
(07:57):
It's just something to think.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Just means more. Everybody's favorite running bait, the new Tony
does it?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Hey, you know it's funny. I had to cap Anthony
had a conversation about that, Anthony georget who does the players?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Did I think defensive players would be wear thirty three?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
But not offensive place? He actually said Javonte talked to
him about it, but he didn't. Yeah, checked with him
and say, man's your dad. Yeah, yeah, actually paid.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Off that man just went two stars up in my
in my in my book. Yes, how about it?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, that's that's that's good awareness right there. It's funny.
When we were up in the press box at and
T if somebody work in the press box came up,
he was like, why did they let a running back
where thirty three? He's like, shouldn't shouldn't you just give
that to any other position, but thirty three, I was like,
I don't know that. I mean Javonte Williams, but it's
good to know that he asked for it. I would
say the weather is interested. I can't remember what it was.
(08:43):
I looked back at this last year when there was
one game there doing where McCarthy kept calling about doing
wet ball drills and different things like that, and I
remember looking back, rain had not been as much of
a problem throughout Dak's career as especially earlier in his career,
cold weather was bad for him, Like generally he's picked
that up, but if you look earlier in his career,
anything under forty degrees were some of his worst performances.
(09:05):
Even if it was clear no other elements to deal with,
just cold weather, it'd been an issue. But yeah, I
mean the rain obviously is going to make it more
difficult footing everything else delivering the ball, and that's gonna
be something that may lead to more of a run game.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Fifty bress surface, I could get sloppy.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Fifty now, I didn't see I didn't do the deep
deep Rick Mitchell dive. And when it happened time, well,
it's gonna be the morning after I don't know the
super soil gonna blow in from like right. So we're
getting there Saturday, so I'm going in Saturday. So apparently
it's a forty chance of rain on Saturday. So basically
it's gonna be rained Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and I think
in it tuesdays. She comes on and off here, so
(09:42):
we'll see, we'll see. Just something, just something to think about.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I don't need a third rain delay in a year
on the road. Please, gosh, Pittsburgh and Philly.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Hopefully don't light me hopefully.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
No, Yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Bright Side is not a night game, so we have
time to get it.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, we got time, Like, yeah, you would be I
can actually sleep on the playing in this instance. I'm like,
that happens.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So yeah, I get I get it, I get it.
None of us want to be there. Hey can we
go play the game? I mean, yeah, the hour delay,
that kind of thing is it throws It throws a
lot of stuff off.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I will say, if rain does affect and it becomes
a run game, I like Dallas's chances a lot more,
just specifically because if it's clean weather and roma Dunda
is allowed to run free on Cover two and Cover
three confusion, then I'm not going to feel as good about.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
That dirty where question run game right here, just looking
at the numbers here, the Cowboys are eleventh in the
league in terms of rushing, averaging one hundred and twenty
seven a game. The Bears are twelfth, averaging one hundred
and twenty six point five. So they're right there.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yeah, the Bears would be higher if they'd be playing
their better running back, which is I feel like the
rookie Kabaman, young guy DeAndre Swift. I mean, you look
on film and he misses so many wide open holes
it's unreal. I feel like if they're playing the rookie,
they actually have more more sustainability in that run game.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Do you always wonder with rookies is how much they
trust him in past protection?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
In that kind of common young guy, best pass protection
running back in the.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Draft this last year, you would know your draft he was.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
He was a bowling ball at Ruggers, So I don't
think there's any concerns there. It would probably be more
so about outside zone things and things of that nature.
He's more of between the tackles guy.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
If I tell you a guy I played at Rutgers.
You think he's gonna have pass protection problems. That's that's
twenty three personnel. That's Ruggers running out there, twenty three personnel.
And I thought that was a rat rise show. No
it was not, Jesus, but I would not. No, he
didn't go that far.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
He does. No, he does.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Bobby's got a limit.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
He does.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Bobby's got a limit.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I'll show you my my folder on my phone during
the break.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
No, don't say that.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Deniability.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, I don't want to when the court when the
man comes in the court room, and I want to
say I had seen this man's phone. I don't know
anything at all here, Jock, Would you rest the capitals?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
If you can play, you can play. This team ain't
good enough to be resting folks, even against the Bears,
and they raggedy, rudy pot performance they turned in last
week on wet turf possible. Sister is a Bears fan,
and I was hanging with her this weekend and she
watched that whole thing. I was like, you're a true one.
That thing was bad so now, and plus you know,
(12:27):
they figured out the little role for him this year.
They give him a couple of carriers. Are they throwing
the ball to him?
Speaker 6 (12:31):
You know?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So? No they and I don't. I'm not a big
Toberd fan. I mean, he's all right, but I won't
see him more snaps.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Okay, So what's what's And this is a very A
lot of people are what are down on top?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
What tell me?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Where? Where did he lose you?
Speaker 6 (12:47):
What?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Did I just tell you?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
He might have fantastic sensational catcher on fourth down to
keep that drive going? Then what he do right next
one dropped it?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
There's a deep out consistency. Consistency has been a I'll
tell you if I loved Tolbert coming out of school.
When Tolver's coming out of South Alabama, I was a
big fans. I wanted them to take him in the
second round. When they took Sam Williams, I was, I thought,
there's no way he gets to the third round. So
I was, I was a big fan. The thing with Tolbert,
I think is when you watch his demeanor, specifically to me, like,
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if you're a receiver, you got to be able to
stand on that island and be ultra competitive, and you
need to be that that alpha out there uh yeah.
And and Tolbert was that guy at South Alabama and
he's talked about him before his rookiear. His confidence got shot,
and I just I don't know if it ever came
back to the level it wasn't South Alabama.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Because he shows he shows no twelve letted cuss words
characteristics right now.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And that's not to say he's a bad player.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
He's just inconsistent, is the right word, because I don't
trust him. I don't trust him to catch it or not.
I mean just when they throw it to I go.
But let's see what happens.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Is he too much Terrence Williams for.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
You, Terrece Whillams to make a playton I was about
to say, I feel like Terrence, Yeah, Like Terry.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Williams is chess Williams.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
All right, I.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Will say Terry Roy number two guy terror it's Tolbert Gallop.
Like they're all examples of guys who at some point
confidence became a question and ability to bounce back. And
that's what I'll.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Get issue when ill all those three guys at some
point time was like you need three things for trust, time,
proof and consistency. And somewhere along the way they never
gave you all three that you needed to say. Yeah,
I mean, Jerry Game. I always thought they messed up
in not paying Cooper and in paying Gallup let the
wrong guy get out of the building. But that was
just my opinion.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, I'll say, you know, it's that that kind of
mental toughness, and it matters on Sunday when when Lamb
has another drop, when that ball went through his hands
in the second quarter, and god, he kind of dropped
his head as he was walking to the to the huddle.
I remember just sitting there thinking like, all right, now,
this is where are you gonna make it?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Two?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Three, four? Are you gonna is this gonna be bounced back?
And it is the mental toughest gonna be hearing consistently
throughout his career. CD shown he bounces back and he
makes a big play. That's why Philadel he was so bizarre.
So when he had that drop, I just remember thinking,
all right, it needs to not snowball this time, like
it like you need to see this soft here. And
I think he bounced back and he showed confidence, made
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big catches that one driving the fourth quarter, the second
to last touchdown drive he was That was him that
was him and Doc in connection, in rhythm they were
That's what got you down the field and got you
in the position.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, Joe, They good football player, good football player.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
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Speaker 1 (18:19):
Here's your gas, you know what? And I mean it's okay.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
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Nick, I don't have any problems letting it lose something
one hundred percent. Honestly, you got a bathroom. I don't
have a golf.
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Get up.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
It goes through me during Just get.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Up and just hit remote on the you know, hit
the remote man.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Maybe we just live differently. That's okay.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You can't hang you can't have beans beans do that.
You's fine. I'm okay, I'm okay with me. Bobby, Okay,
Bobby Bell Jack Taylor.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Were talked about both excretion services.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
In the last time, im talking about tosteels can do
for game day Cowboys bag just wants a bean dip
with it. Dak Prescott, that dude, dude is bawling. You
look at some of the numbers. Look at the game
notes game notes for rain Dakota Prescott here with the
win on Sunday Dak with Tony Romo seventy eight wins
(19:27):
for the third most wins by a quarterback and franchise history.
How does that rank to you?
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
How does that?
Speaker 7 (19:33):
What?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
How does that rank? How does that?
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Third?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
When you when you well? Third? But in your in
your mind because as you said, Bobby, you got you
fighting all the time with the dak haters on on
the internet.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Third, it's all right, it's cool. Ain't been on posts.
It ain't been enough. Postseason successful me to be like, yeah,
that's just the facts. Man, Okay, it's cool, it's good,
but you don't get the plus on the.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
How much different with his Like does he be if
he just made an NFC championship or made a super Bowl,
like not even win one, but just make it.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I don't know that much different.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But the Cowboys fans are nationally, yes, because I think
it's a different answer.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Let's say Cowboys fans. Let's say Cowboys fans.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I think if he makes a super Bowl with Cowboys fans,
then they they're holding onto that Hope Stille and be like, well,
we've seen him do it once. He was in position
once and he took us farther than anybody else has. Like,
I think he's given a lot more credence. Now, there
are some people who are just like they'll never forgive
the Tom Landry fire, And there's some people who are
never gonna forgive that Tony Romo didn't get his job back,
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and they're never ever gonna let Dak be the guy
that they root for nationally. He's got to win a
super Bowl before anybody will give him credence. They're just
not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I look at it the way Jalen hurt Twin to
his first Super Bowl with the Eagles, and people are
still people weren't happy. They just weren't happy. And shoot,
the guy wins it and you got Cam newtonon to
pay top ten quarterback. So I don't. I just think
there's certain guys that did people want to give credit to,
and certain guys they just won't.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
You know, the title changed everything. I mean, if you
look around here, Dirk whole thing changed. Sure, but he
wants the title. Dirk was a great player before he
won the title. MVP wasn't even a question, great player,
hall of Fame player. Still, people took a dump on him,
and then he won a title, and that's.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Hey, yeah, people, I mean, people forget if it not,
if not for that title. Up until that title, he
was labeled like the softest player in the game. I
once said that a way as soon as he won
a title.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I once rode a colin in two thousand and seven
after they lost to Golden State, you'll never win the
title with this guy's the centerpiece of your offense of
your team.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
For that reason, way to go.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I remember call he was right.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
He moved to power forward.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I still twenty years later, I remember reading the paper
Kalla Shaw saying Mono Geno blue is better, and I
was like, no, okay, so we gotta slow down to
I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Remember David Wesley poking him in his chest like you're
not gonna do nothing.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It still doesn't beat the all time worse was it
when Randy Galloway wrote a column saying the Mavericks should
not take Michael Jordan. Yes, oh wrote a whole go
go go google that bad boy. Yes, Randy Gallley, they
don't need Michael Jordan. Don' take Michael Jordan. Down on Michael.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Jorde picked if they have in that draft.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
They actually picked fourth fourth, Bill Garnett. No, they took
uh Sam Perkins, Jordan's teammate for North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Sleepy Sam, who had a really nice NBA career.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Michael Jordan, a chem Elijahonna Houston had won Portland took
Sam Buie at three, The Bulls took Jordan at third.
Rod Thorn by the way made the pick, and then
the Mavericks took Sam Perkins at four.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Okay, Sam Perkins, Dela Shrimp, Calvin Booth. We were just
a Seattle super Sonics farm system there for a while.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Man.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, except for when they decided Ye the Cowboys though
passed on, passed on death, passed Carmel for dead less shrimp. Yeah,
that didn't work out for very well. But but Dak Prescott,
so you've got that also right now, Dak, with one
hundred ninety seven passing yards against the Blitz, leads the NFL.
He ranks fifth in completion percentage right now, and Dak
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leads the NFL in third down completion seventy five fifteen
of twenty on third downs, with eleven of those completions
going for a first down. It's just two games in,
but the quarterback's doing his job.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, they see. I don't really care about none of
those stats because everybody who watches the game, he looks better.
He's playing better. You can see it, like it don't
even matter what the stats say, just like you can
still a couple of years ago when we played like
poorly because he's throwing interceptions every week for whatever reason,
you can look at it and see he looks better.
He just feels he looks more confident, like the way
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he took off in the overtime and got the eighteen yards.
I mean he like was decisive with it, Like, oh,
boot boot off. That's a guy who's playing confidently. And
as long as he's doing that, man, that would be
the problem on offense. Now. I can't say much about
their defense right now, but on offense still be a problem.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Okay, Yeah, I mean stats wise, those probably should be
better too. But like I mean, as good as those are,
they should look better. The guys haven't totally finished plays
all the time. I think that a lot of drops. Yeah,
I think Jjc's right, Like when you look at it,
you've got the fact that he's playing at a different
like eye test alone tells you he's better than he
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was last year, even before the injury. Before the injury
last year, that was there's a lot broken about this
football team, like whenever anybody goes well, they lost Dak
for the year. That's part of why they were so bad.
That they were three and five with Dak and they
were headed for probably that same seven and ten with him,
because it just it wasn't a good year and he
wasn't playing well. It was not the same guy that
had been out there in twenty twenty three and was
(24:31):
second in the MVP voting, and so he looks more
like that guy right now. He looks comfortable, he looks confident,
he looks in rhythm. More than that, he looks he
looks cocky in a good ones.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
She maybe, and I thought about this the other day,
maybe he's at that point of his career, year ten,
where he's got the answers to the test. So yeah,
it's nothing he sees that he goes, oh, I know
y'all are doing.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
This people in here. Players say it all the time.
Coaches say it all the time, and it probably sounds
just generic to people. But whenever somebody tells you like
they've seen a lot of football, Like whenever they talk
about a coach or a player, man, they've seen a
lot of football. What they're telling is like the same
concepts that we're going, like why can't you figure out
cover three and cover two to stop the giants? Like
a lot of these concepts are it's a matter of
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mastering what is out there. There's not gonna be as
much as there's a Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan or
Ben Johnson or somebody else knew pushing things forward. When
you look at it, it's like now, at the end
of the day, there are a lot of the same
basic concepts, and once you have them down and once
you understand things pre snapp and what coordinators like to
do different people like to do, then yeah, you've reached
a level of mastery that Dak just may be out
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at this point of his career same roughly same time
as Tony Romo's career when he popped off.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
He went thirty four and ten and thirty four and
nine the year after, he led the league and with
nineteen interceptions, because you could tell it slowed down for
him and there was no fool in him. It was
just a matter of do I have enough time and
do these guys running right routes and will they catch
it because the ball is going to the right spot.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Yeah, there's a couple of things I want to point out.
He's seeing the field really well. And you mention those
numbers against the blitz new and specifically the game against
the Giants, he was blitzed twenty times. He went thirteen
for nineteen for one hundred and forty nine yards in
one touchdown. It's it's almost like he's baiting defensive lineman
to get in his face and it's I asked him
about it after the game. I was like, you've been
so good against the Blitz during your career. How do
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you take that pressure and still work it in the stride?
And you know, it's It's another one of those things
that he's He's seen it, he understands it. He understands
that Giants coverage scheme as well, and that's benefited him.
But I think the thing this year, if we compare
this year to last year and the limited time that
he had in twenty four, a healthy running game is
helping him so much. And seeing to Bonte Williams being
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that guy and him being able to utilize the play
action to his full advantage. I mean, why when he
can utilize the play action and he could play this
well against the Blitz. That's when you see the twenty
twenty three version of of Dak Prescott or the twenty
twenty version of Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It seems to me, and I haven't looked at any
states that they're also attacking the middle more. Does it
seem like that to you?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, I'll tell you what's back. Deep crossers are back.
I know that's back. Those were not really in the
offense last year very frequently. You've seen him hit those
more frequently, So that's yeah, going across the middle of
the field, you're hitting some of those. They haven't hit
on the sceam throws to the tight ends yet, but
they're trying them. Yeah, I don't know it is this,
there's this blend. So younger quarterbacks, they have all the
(27:18):
athletic ability in the world, they're at their peak, but yeah,
they're still kind of behind in terms of where they're
at with the game. You got a guy like Russell
Wilson who physically is not the same player anymore, but
answers to the test guy as a veteran. He knows
what those coverages look like. He saw on Sunday, so
he was able to just all right, I can pick
this apart. I know what this is. I've seen it before.
Dak is at that point right now where you generally
quarterbacks play their best football in their early thirties in
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the modern NFL, because the physical ability is still kind
of there, and you've got the high IQ, the high
mental processing, and this is the time, this two three
year window where you're supposed to be able to kind
of maximize everythings.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So first year calling plays, McCarthy had Dak second in
the league in MVP, and right now we're seeing Gottenheimer,
who's calling the place for Dak.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
There.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
There's two games in so far. Dak's looking good right here.
What do we think about the play calling here between
the two coaches anything at all? Is it the player?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I think, what do you think, Bobby, I need to
see something. I think if you look at weeks one
through six in twenty twenty three and look at week
seven on and look at what that offense looked like,
you'll see one that looks remarkably different. And I think
the one you see week seven on looks like the
one you're looking at right now. And I think that's
because this is the second time, basically in their career
that Shottenheimer and Dak Prescott have been calling the shots,
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and the other time was the majority of the back
half of twenty three.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
They have understanding.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I think Dak Prescott was largely in charge of the
offense for most of that MVP year, and I think
early on, when you look at the way that the
three step time and get the ball out classic West
Coast look was the first six weeks of the season
where they really really struggled.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, is that when CD went in there and said, That's.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
When a lot of people I think went in there
and said some stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
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Speaker 5 (32:01):
Can't the guy that they said was the reason because
Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You know, Ben Johnson's gonna solve it all. So ibra
Flus is going back this week. Brian Schottenheimer's talked openly
the press conference is about, you know, wanting to win
for him this week thoughts.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Yeah, I don't think Schottenheimer tried to say that. You know,
you Rerafluce, He's the same man every day, is consistent.
You know, he's going to treat like a really game stop.
Look man, look man, I could leave a place on
my own. I'm still gonna want to beat them when
I go back. So I'm doing a little bit better.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
So that girl dumps you when you see her later,
you know how you.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Want even if you dump her, even if yeah, you
always want to win the breakup, right, you always want
to break up.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That's to break up.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, I mean, like the a couple of years ago,
they tried to insist everybody in this organization tried to
insists going to Green Bay doesn't mean much. Going to
Green Bay for the first time. From my glasco a
lot of these coaches, it doesn't mean that. That was
a lot that meant something. And when the when they
lost that game the way they did that hurt. That
hurt a lot of people, a lot of people who
didn't even work in Green Bay. There was a lot
(33:15):
of people whore just like we let them down in
a big way. This was a I mean the I
remember they threw it up on the scoreboard. They had
a like a list that looked like a class role
of here's everybody who's returning tonight on the coaching staff
for the Cowboys, and and so it's one person. Uh
and it's actually two because you got ebra Flus and
then over Street Curtis Andre Curtis too. Yeah, so you've
(33:37):
got guys returning back there. For those guys, they're they're
going to want to Yeah, you got Ready Stewart too. Okay,
you you got you got him ready to be a
steward for the cornerback room. You've got the You've got
guys here that they're gonna want to all work together
on I think playing for each other and and and
like playing for getting a victory out for them, like
(33:58):
I mean, they love game on on Sunday. I wouldn't
be surprised, like game ball fluse like like like it's
gonna be already side, it's going to mean something. So
so exactly you're you're gonna get the ruty moment. So
I uh no, I think that it absolutely means something
regardless of you. You've got to keep your composure, you
gotta be the same guy every day, you gotta stay
even all that sort of stuff. But yeah, it's definitely
(34:20):
gonna mean a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I look at a game like this and you just
hope the dudes on the back end can can get
it right this week. I mean, it was just it.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Was what was the bad that was bad? I so
there was a lot of talk. I mean, I know
a lot of people wanted to throw Trayvon Digs under
the bus, but I don't think. I don't think Diggs
was as responsible for as many of those plays. A
lot of people thought, I think that they're in zone
coverages a lot of times, and and honestly it was
(34:53):
could be communication. It looked mainly to me like as
simple as just these are basic cover two, cover three
concepts a lot of times. This isn't a lot of
like you know, different things with creeper blitzes and things
that Mike Zimmer wants to do, or it's not a
bunch of man match concepts that Vic Fangio wants to do.
These are things that you've played in for a while.
It just seemed like there was there were too many lapses.
(35:13):
So to me, I know it's cliche, but players got
to make place and and players more than that, players
just got to be in the right position and a
lot of times. I think on Sunday, guys were not
in the right position where they were supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
Seven times in that game against the Giants, they gave
up a pass of twenty or more yards, which that
alone is wild. Here's an order of at least the
responsibility that I was able to pin off of those
seven plays. The first one Kenneth Murray, second one, Trayvon Diggs, third,
Jack Sanborn, fourth, Trayvon Diggs, fifth, Kyrie Elam, sixth Mollie Cooker,
seventh Donovan Wilson, and Kyrie Elams.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
So it's a little bit everybody.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
It's a little bit everybody. It's funny for the one
guy you expected to maybe be on this list that
was not was Ready Stewart. If you had told me
going into the game that hey, you're gonna have seven
pass plays giving up a more than twenty yards, you
would have thought Ready Stewart's name would be honest, So
so can you.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
That was an interesting name that people People went after him.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And man, he's a failed first round pick.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
If you're not putting any pressure on Russ And then
the great Warrens Sat used to say, the back don't
work without the front. And if the front's not getting
home and you got Russ back here with time and
experienced guy.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Well there's still time. I mean, I was told Sam
Williams and Dante Fowler was gonna make up for Michael
and it was gonna you know, they was, what are
you looking like that? That's what I was told. Now
people want to have revision of history, like I wasn't
told that.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
But after the trade, don't worry about Michael. I'm gonna
get it by committee.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
And you know, I never like committees.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I was at the training camp once and I was
told that Derek Lassick was gonna be okay while they
waited for EMMITTT. Smith, and that Derek Lassick was on
the Alabama nineteen ninety two national championship team and upset Miami,
and Derek Lassick told me, I think I'm gonna be okay.
It went on too, So I'm just saying we've heard
(36:54):
some stuff around here.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
I'm both Scarborough, not Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
My problem with the with the Pad, with the are
they all seem to me to be complimentary guys. They're
not like that dude, right, and so they don't scare
anybody and.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
They signed a complimentary guy.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I mean, I think they've spent about seventeen million, counting
Clowney on their age. Every guy, you know, the franchise
number was like twenty two. I mean, think about that,
and there's like twenty guys who make more than twenty
and he signed all of them for seventeen. You get
what you pay for most.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Of the time.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
I understand your point about pass rush being able to
help these guys out more than anything, and obviously you
don't have a very key pass rush weapon that you
had last year. But and this is what we're talked about,
guys not understanding simple cover two cover three responsibilities. The
fifty two yard game that was given up middle of
the third quarter, Darius Slayton blown coverage. He was opening
right down the right sideline. Kyer Elam is the only
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player on the field out of the seven that were
in coverage that was playing cover to everybody else playing
cover three. So like he understood that or he had
an understanding that he was supposed to play shallow there,
and no one was there to account for Slate in
his fifty two yard games. So it's like it's at
times guys aren't even understanding where they're supposed to be.
That's why I understand when Scheinenheimer says, hey, I think
this can be a one week fix, and for sure
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you'd be like, hey, you're supposed to do that, and
not that. I mean that's that's not a one week fix,
that's a five second fix.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
But is that understand is that you just didn't get
to play call You thought you heard this that you
heard and everybody else heard that.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, I mean two and three? Uh Like I mean
it don't sound. Yeah, they don't sound. Suddenly they share
one letter too, that's it. Like, I mean, I would
look at it and I'd say, yeah, that was clear.
Like you watch Elum on that play. He very clearly
thinks he's got somebody behind him who's taking it. Like
the way he's playing it, it's he's releasing and he's letting
him go, and everybody else's is playing a different kind
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of coverage. I think as much as that's something that's
on elim, there are other times where it looks like
something may have been on Elam that's not. Something looks
like it may have been on digs that's not. And
that's the difficult thing about trying to keep track of
these sort of.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Things, not trying to make excuse to just asking the question,
is this what happens when you have three defensive coordinators
in three years and three different ideas about what you
want to do?
Speaker 3 (39:04):
No, not to be not on cover two cover three,
say yes, but it certainly doesn't help. It doesn't It
doesn't help. But I mean they've all been playing cover two,
Cover three since high school.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
That personnel was drafted with the intention of being in
the dan Quinn system where they ran more man covers
and anything.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I was going to ask that if they were, if
you have a situation where you got guys who play
who specialize in man acting, play co cool, I mean
zone and it's not.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah fits, Yeah, fits are absolutely going to be a
part of this. But again, like we're talking about, basically,
you are introduced to cover two and Cover three, you're
playing that in high school, you're playing on in college,
you're playing that up through the NFL. Like proficiency is
another question, but just flat out not knowing this is
I need to let somebody go to that zone that
just feels and so.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
And I also go back to a defensive coordinator. We
saw Zimmer talk about that. Okay, you are you running
your scheme? Are you putting the players that you have
the best position possible.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Quinn deserves a ton of credit for when he got here,
Quinn throughout historically what his entire scheme had basically been,
and he started like he had always been a big
time cover three guy. And he got here and he
got more comfortable with all right, let's uh, Mike, you
were drafted here to be a linebacker. Let's have you
do this, Let's have this guy do this. He started
just saying, all right, I'm going to find where these
pieces work and make them work. And you hear that
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from coaches all the time when they code. It's about
players over over scheming. Schottenheimer said that when he got
hired that one of the big things I think he
said his dad had told him was that, you know,
if you've got players that don't fit your scheme, you've
got the wrong scheme. You need to find something that
talented players have the ability to do. That's something that
Dan Quinn really maximized when he was here, and and
(40:33):
something that you know, you you you will figure out now.
To be fair, Eberflus is probably figuring it out first
couple weeks dan Quinn was here, the defense didn't look
very good either, and over time he realized, Okay, this
guy does this well, this guy is this well. Zimmer
same thing last year. First couple weeks were tough. He
figured out, right, this guy does this, but they're not good.
So you could have this could be a period of
figuring things out. But if we're five weeks from now
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and there are still problems with Cover two and Cover
three and guys are just being asked to go out
there and still continue to the same thing. If Donovan Wilson,
who I think is a really good player, dan Quinn
always thought Donovan Wilson needed to play up in the
box and be a physical, strong safety, like extra run
defender type. Agree, Yes, Donovan Wilson's been asked to play
a lot of deep middle in the first couple of
weeks here for the Cowboys, and I just.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I that seems like a bad idea.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
That's something that we'll see if you if you figure out, like, Okay,
that's something that's not gonna work, or if you just
kind of say, no, we got to do it this way.
This is the way I want it done.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Because he's a human missile.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah, he is probably the most physical player on their defense.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
And I bring this out here just so fans have
an understanding. By the way, these coaches are all new
and they're all working together, and it takes a while
to figure it out. I remember Bill Parcells was saying, Hey,
I learned how to coach the coaches here three you know,
three different defenses and three different guys with three different ideas.
I just I just wonder how much it matters. And
clearly as we're having the conversation here, we can make
(41:50):
some cases where it does. And does dan Quinn, I mean,
does Eberflus do it? Dan Quinn and say, hey, look,
maybe I got to make some changes here to take
advantage of these guys, because ain't like you go ahead
and dump these dudes and go get a whole bunch
of new people. So anyways, something to look at. And
and oh, by the way, you got something to Chicago
this week where you know, you give Caleb some time.
And by the way, you know Caleb, Caleb and Iberflus
(42:13):
didn't have the world's coziest relationship.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
For the first time we talked to ibra Flus this
past summer. The I had asked him, I said, what's
the biggest thing you've learned since Chicago that you think
you're most fundamentally different on since you left Dallas? And
he said, you know, players need to be maximized, like
you can't essentially said you can't just try to fit,
you know, square peg, round hole and say this is
the way it's got to be. You need to figure
out what talented players can do and and maximize them
(42:36):
in that position. So if that's the case, then hopefully
you'll see some of that stuff sort of changed and adjusted,
just like in the second half you saw him blitzing
more when he realized the Edges weren't getting home against Philadelphia.
Hopefully you see those same sort of things throughout the season.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
All right, guys, that's good stuff. You do it again.
All right, Shock, I'll try to remember me. Nick. It's
all good, man, it's all good. You got here, It's
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Scrugs media mash time here on a Wednesday hump day
at the Star in Frisco, SWBC podcast studio. We got
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I mean you're here here, you're here, yep, yeah, sure, okay, Bobby, Bobby,
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that's up drilling, drilling, Jerry on Tuesday, Boy.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I appreciate not too bad.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Jack Taylor here the author and for Cowboy Beat right
on new Scruggs. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I'm good, I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Uh. He was in New York, and so I did
feel like I was like, man, I think he's I
think he's multitasking right now.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh you can totally tell yeah, show long, I gotta
do this, but there's I've got other stuff I'm trying
to do.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
So he was, Look, he gave us some good stuff.
But I definitely for the first two three questions like, oh,
I think he's he sounds like he's checking into a
hotel or something like. He just does not sound like
he told what was that again?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
But what are you asking about?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Who was it? So, so when you do.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That show, I remember I used to do it on
the Friday's at ten, So what's the one question you
came away? It's like, I'm glad I asked.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
That, you know, it was probably I mean, I'm glad
we asked him about the defensive coverage issues because he said, basically,
guys just gotta be better. Like essentially, he didn't try
and give them any sort of an excuse for learning
curve or anything else, and he shouldn't. It's cover two
(01:48):
and cover three. It shouldn't be that confusing for guys
to pick up. But also, I mean like we just
kind of said, like, all right, is Aubrey up next?
And throw him that one. Then he was like, yeah,
I think we've talked since the game, and what I
wanted to say, I was want to say his agent
or him who it's.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
So, you know, I did enjoy the fact that you know,
Jerry was you know, previously letting us know when that
Mazzie and Jake Blue were not playing, so it was
you know, it's like the old Dalvin Cook thing with
Dalvin's family. Dalvin his family, we listened on Tuesday agency
when he's.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Play I got that guy some Friday questions. I got
to give him a couple.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So I was just there for the Glory Hill question.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I thought it was a little early for Jerry on
that one, A little early.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
For catching me at like four pm. He'll really be
able to.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, you know, if they've got a few wins under
his but when he's feeling really good. You know, it
was topical though.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You know, Cannard maguire had said something about it, so
he wanted it like like we had it. We were
given him the We're given him the moment right then.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, yeah, it's something there. So all right, what did
you get out of the locker rooms today? Guys?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Yeah, it was George Pickens was talking today, and you know,
he hasn't had the most efficient first two weeks of
the season. I think if you would take it by
George Pickens standards or maybe people expected out of him
coming into this outfit, but you could tell that the
comfort is starting to settle in and I think you
really saw it in the second half of that Week
two game against the Giants, and you know, he spoke
about how his route tree has become more developed since
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he's been here at Dallas. He's running more routes, he
feels more comfortable running more routes, and that trust is
starting to build with with Dak Prescott. And you know,
we've we've talked about how this how Dak Prescott has
nine big time throws in the first two weeks and
basically what that means is tight window throws downfield, and
he hasn't had one to George Pickens just yet. And
you've seen him to Ceede Lamb, You've seen him to
(03:32):
Cavante Turpin, You've seen him to Jake Ferguson, and you
can kind of tell when Dak Prescott is building trust
with a pass catcher, he will put them in those situations.
He hasn't quite done it with George Pickens, but when
it does come and that trust is built, it's it's
gonna add another layer to this offense, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You know, he's always been a guy who goes where
to Reed takes him. He's I mean, that's one of
the reasons that him and Dad has never clicked early
on is okay, you're not open, and you're open by
Rumbo's standard, but not my standard.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Y I got to.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Go go where to read takes me. That's now that
that does often I don't see often. But like just
me back when I play quarterback. I'm not throwing the
ball to Jayalen Tolbert on fourth in the game because
I'm about players plays.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
But he caught it, so I'm not bitching. But had
he not cut it, I would have been bitching. Be like, dude,
I can't do it. Yeah, my nerves are not that.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Big, I will say, And that's I agree. Tolbert is
not necessarily where I would like. All right, online, this
is the throw I w to make, But that's in
the last year. That's too big. Fourth down, here's ball
game throws he's had to make to Jalen Tolbert, and
Tolbert with somebody on his back, made the catch this one.
There was the one on the goal line in Pittsburgh.
So I mean he's he's made me stepped up big
(04:38):
when they need him to. You know. I think the
Pickens chemistry thing is is interesting because they're they're clearly
I think still kind of feeling it out.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Dak.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
A couple of years ago, when the discussion had started
about the option routes under McCarthy and do they keep them,
do they get rid of him? Dak had said that,
you know, it also matters who you're throwing to. And
I remember I'm talking about CD specifically, and he said,
we've done so much together and work so much together
that like I know him, We've got a rhythm. There's
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a feeling there that like I trust him when I
see that route more than I might trust somebody else
because I know what I'm getting, I know what he's
going to see. I know he knows what I'm going
to see. Like we've got that rhythm, We've got that sync.
I think it's clear there's still some some of the
ones the pass interferance calls he was getting on Sunday
and you'll take those their spot files everything else, but
you could tell not totally in rhythm with where the
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ball should be. The one in the end zone. Pickens
was just willing to kind of like let it drop
in thought he was going to catch it like that.
I think Dak probably put up one that he thought,
go up, attack it. So you're still going to get
the feel for that. It's it's two weeks in, but
I mean two games in anyway, it's it's a full
summer of practices and everything else in. But you know,
I imagine that will probably start clicking more. Yeah, that's
(05:56):
six something like that. Yeah, get through the month season,
start having understand what you're offensive line is, how much
time you have, and what you want to do.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Because remember they didn't have any preseason and preseason. You
can say it is whatever it is, but that's still
game reps even.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
If it's left didn't have any preseason either.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, and now you're talking about more changes. Your offensive
line is changing this week. Your center is gone, so
you know, Bebe's gonna be out, Turpin is possibly not
going to play as much. So you're seeing it's gonna
be a little it's gonna be some changes this week.
I mean, they are an underdog at Chicago. I'm kind
of shocked about it.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
I think it flipped this morning. I think I saw
where the Cowboys were now a one point favorite. But nevertheless,
I mean closer I thought it would be. Yeah, that's closer.
Not though yea, Dallas is now one point favorite. But
that's closer than I thought it would be. Practice Sport
just came out. Turpin was limited today. I think that's
a good.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Song, and I think it's I do think that when
you talk about weathering injuries, obviously it's a drop whenever
you're talking about losing the start it anywhere, but center
is probably the one that you're most prepared to deal
with because Hoffin's worked plenty there. They like what Hoffman
brings in terms of temperament and physicality and different things
(07:04):
like that. Dak has taking snaps from him. It's it's
not like just completely new for him. So obviously you
want your starters out there, especially a line when you're
talking about that, you want the cohesion of everybody. But
I do think that that's probably the area where you
feel like, all right, we can most sustain putting a
backup in there and feeling like we have some familiarity.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So speaking of centers, quarterback exchange and he's turping talk
about fifty chance of rain in Chicago, So.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
This ain't apeman that can handle the w BO Well.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Stills is not easy. I mean that that snapping back,
it's an issue. I'm not saying that can't handle. It's
just it's just something to be aware of. I mean,
you know, my limited time. I will say that there's
limited high school career, just to tell you weather makes
some change now and if it does it at this
level and Maine, what happens that level. But it means something.
(07:57):
It's just something to think.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Just means more. Everybody's favorite running bait, the new Tony
does it?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Hey, you know it's funny. I had to cap Anthony
had a conversation about that, Anthony georget who does the players?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Did I think defensive players would be wear thirty three?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
But not offensive place? He actually said Javonte talked to
him about it, but he didn't. Yeah, checked with him
and say, man's your dad. Yeah, yeah, actually paid.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Off that man just went two stars up in my
in my in my book. Yes, how about it?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, that's that's that's good awareness right there. It's funny.
When we were up in the press box at and
T if somebody work in the press box came up,
he was like, why did they let a running back
where thirty three? He's like, shouldn't shouldn't you just give
that to any other position, but thirty three, I was like,
I don't know that. I mean Javonte Williams, but it's
good to know that he asked for it. I would
say the weather is interested. I can't remember what it was.
(08:43):
I looked back at this last year when there was
one game there doing where McCarthy kept calling about doing
wet ball drills and different things like that, and I
remember looking back, rain had not been as much of
a problem throughout Dak's career as especially earlier in his career,
cold weather was bad for him, Like generally he's picked
that up, but if you look earlier in his career,
anything under forty degrees were some of his worst performances.
(09:05):
Even if it was clear no other elements to deal with,
just cold weather, it'd been an issue. But yeah, I
mean the rain obviously is going to make it more
difficult footing everything else delivering the ball, and that's gonna
be something that may lead to more of a run game.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Fifty bress surface, I could get sloppy.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Fifty now, I didn't see I didn't do the deep
deep Rick Mitchell dive. And when it happened time, well,
it's gonna be the morning after I don't know the
super soil gonna blow in from like right. So we're
getting there Saturday, so I'm going in Saturday. So apparently
it's a forty chance of rain on Saturday. So basically
it's gonna be rained Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and I think
in it tuesdays. She comes on and off here, so
(09:42):
we'll see, we'll see. Just something, just something to think about.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I don't need a third rain delay in a year
on the road. Please, gosh, Pittsburgh and Philly.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Hopefully don't light me hopefully.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
No, Yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Bright Side is not a night game, so we have
time to get it.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, we got time, Like, yeah, you would be I
can actually sleep on the playing in this instance. I'm like,
that happens.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So yeah, I get I get it, I get it.
None of us want to be there. Hey can we
go play the game? I mean, yeah, the hour delay,
that kind of thing is it throws It throws a
lot of stuff off.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I will say, if rain does affect and it becomes
a run game, I like Dallas's chances a lot more,
just specifically because if it's clean weather and roma Dunda
is allowed to run free on Cover two and Cover
three confusion, then I'm not going to feel as good about.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
That dirty where question run game right here, just looking
at the numbers here, the Cowboys are eleventh in the
league in terms of rushing, averaging one hundred and twenty
seven a game. The Bears are twelfth, averaging one hundred
and twenty six point five. So they're right there.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yeah, the Bears would be higher if they'd be playing
their better running back, which is I feel like the
rookie Kabaman, young guy DeAndre Swift. I mean, you look
on film and he misses so many wide open holes
it's unreal. I feel like if they're playing the rookie,
they actually have more more sustainability in that run game.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Do you always wonder with rookies is how much they
trust him in past protection?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
In that kind of common young guy, best pass protection
running back in the.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Draft this last year, you would know your draft he was.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
He was a bowling ball at Ruggers, So I don't
think there's any concerns there. It would probably be more
so about outside zone things and things of that nature.
He's more of between the tackles guy.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
If I tell you a guy I played at Rutgers.
You think he's gonna have pass protection problems. That's that's
twenty three personnel. That's Ruggers running out there, twenty three personnel.
And I thought that was a rat rise show. No
it was not, Jesus, but I would not. No, he
didn't go that far.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
He does. No, he does.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Bobby's got a limit.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
He does.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Bobby's got a limit.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I'll show you my my folder on my phone during
the break.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
No, don't say that.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Deniability.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, I don't want to when the court when the
man comes in the court room, and I want to
say I had seen this man's phone. I don't know
anything at all here, Jock, Would you rest the capitals?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
If you can play, you can play. This team ain't
good enough to be resting folks, even against the Bears,
and they raggedy, rudy pot performance they turned in last
week on wet turf possible. Sister is a Bears fan,
and I was hanging with her this weekend and she
watched that whole thing. I was like, you're a true one.
That thing was bad so now, and plus you know,
(12:27):
they figured out the little role for him this year.
They give him a couple of carriers. Are they throwing
the ball to him?
Speaker 6 (12:31):
You know?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So? No they and I don't. I'm not a big
Toberd fan. I mean, he's all right, but I won't
see him more snaps.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Okay, So what's what's And this is a very A
lot of people are what are down on top?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
What tell me?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Where? Where did he lose you?
Speaker 6 (12:47):
What?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Did I just tell you?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
He might have fantastic sensational catcher on fourth down to
keep that drive going? Then what he do right next
one dropped it?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
There's a deep out consistency. Consistency has been a I'll
tell you if I loved Tolbert coming out of school.
When Tolver's coming out of South Alabama, I was a
big fans. I wanted them to take him in the
second round. When they took Sam Williams, I was, I thought,
there's no way he gets to the third round. So
I was, I was a big fan. The thing with Tolbert,
I think is when you watch his demeanor, specifically to me, like,
(13:16):
if you're a receiver, you got to be able to
stand on that island and be ultra competitive, and you
need to be that that alpha out there uh yeah.
And and Tolbert was that guy at South Alabama and
he's talked about him before his rookiear. His confidence got shot,
and I just I don't know if it ever came
back to the level it wasn't South Alabama.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Because he shows he shows no twelve letted cuss words
characteristics right now.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And that's not to say he's a bad player.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
He's just inconsistent, is the right word, because I don't
trust him. I don't trust him to catch it or not.
I mean just when they throw it to I go.
But let's see what happens.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Is he too much Terrence Williams for.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
You, Terrece Whillams to make a playton I was about
to say, I feel like Terrence, Yeah, Like Terry.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Williams is chess Williams.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
All right, I.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Will say Terry Roy number two guy terror it's Tolbert Gallop.
Like they're all examples of guys who at some point
confidence became a question and ability to bounce back. And
that's what I'll.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Get issue when ill all those three guys at some
point time was like you need three things for trust, time,
proof and consistency. And somewhere along the way they never
gave you all three that you needed to say. Yeah,
I mean, Jerry Game. I always thought they messed up
in not paying Cooper and in paying Gallup let the
wrong guy get out of the building. But that was
just my opinion.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, I'll say, you know, it's that that kind of
mental toughness, and it matters on Sunday when when Lamb
has another drop, when that ball went through his hands
in the second quarter, and god, he kind of dropped
his head as he was walking to the to the huddle.
I remember just sitting there thinking like, all right, now,
this is where are you gonna make it?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Two?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Three, four? Are you gonna is this gonna be bounced back?
And it is the mental toughest gonna be hearing consistently
throughout his career. CD shown he bounces back and he
makes a big play. That's why Philadel he was so bizarre.
So when he had that drop, I just remember thinking,
all right, it needs to not snowball this time, like
it like you need to see this soft here. And
I think he bounced back and he showed confidence, made
(15:10):
big catches that one driving the fourth quarter, the second
to last touchdown drive he was That was him that
was him and Doc in connection, in rhythm they were
That's what got you down the field and got you
in the position.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, Joe, They good football player, good football player.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
All right, Nick, nothing to right.
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Speaker 3 (18:17):
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Speaker 1 (18:19):
Here's your gas, you know what? And I mean it's okay.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I mean, hey, what what?
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Every lot of things give you gas.
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We got ventilation right there, A lot of things.
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Speaker 5 (18:38):
Nick, I don't have any problems letting it lose something
one hundred percent. Honestly, you got a bathroom. I don't
have a golf.
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Get up.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
It goes through me during Just get.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Up and just hit remote on the you know, hit
the remote man.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Maybe we just live differently. That's okay.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You can't hang you can't have beans beans do that.
You's fine. I'm okay, I'm okay with me. Bobby, Okay,
Bobby Bell Jack Taylor.
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Speaker 1 (19:07):
In the last time, im talking about tosteels can do
for game day Cowboys bag just wants a bean dip
with it. Dak Prescott, that dude, dude is bawling. You
look at some of the numbers. Look at the game
notes game notes for rain Dakota Prescott here with the
win on Sunday Dak with Tony Romo seventy eight wins
(19:27):
for the third most wins by a quarterback and franchise history.
How does that rank to you?
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
How does that?
Speaker 7 (19:33):
What?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
How does that rank? How does that?
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Third?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
When you when you well? Third? But in your in
your mind because as you said, Bobby, you got you
fighting all the time with the dak haters on on
the internet.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Third, it's all right, it's cool. Ain't been on posts.
It ain't been enough. Postseason successful me to be like, yeah,
that's just the facts. Man, Okay, it's cool, it's good,
but you don't get the plus on the.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
How much different with his Like does he be if
he just made an NFC championship or made a super Bowl,
like not even win one, but just make it.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I don't know that much different.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But the Cowboys fans are nationally, yes, because I think
it's a different answer.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Let's say Cowboys fans. Let's say Cowboys fans.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I think if he makes a super Bowl with Cowboys fans,
then they they're holding onto that Hope Stille and be like, well,
we've seen him do it once. He was in position
once and he took us farther than anybody else has. Like,
I think he's given a lot more credence. Now, there
are some people who are just like they'll never forgive
the Tom Landry fire, And there's some people who are
never gonna forgive that Tony Romo didn't get his job back,
(20:36):
and they're never ever gonna let Dak be the guy
that they root for nationally. He's got to win a
super Bowl before anybody will give him credence. They're just
not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I look at it the way Jalen hurt Twin to
his first Super Bowl with the Eagles, and people are
still people weren't happy. They just weren't happy. And shoot,
the guy wins it and you got Cam newtonon to
pay top ten quarterback. So I don't. I just think
there's certain guys that did people want to give credit to,
and certain guys they just won't.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
You know, the title changed everything. I mean, if you
look around here, Dirk whole thing changed. Sure, but he
wants the title. Dirk was a great player before he
won the title. MVP wasn't even a question, great player,
hall of Fame player. Still, people took a dump on him,
and then he won a title, and that's.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Hey, yeah, people, I mean, people forget if it not,
if not for that title. Up until that title, he
was labeled like the softest player in the game. I
once said that a way as soon as he won
a title.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I once rode a colin in two thousand and seven
after they lost to Golden State, you'll never win the
title with this guy's the centerpiece of your offense of
your team.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
For that reason, way to go.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I remember call he was right.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
He moved to power forward.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I still twenty years later, I remember reading the paper
Kalla Shaw saying Mono Geno blue is better, and I
was like, no, okay, so we gotta slow down to
I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Remember David Wesley poking him in his chest like you're
not gonna do nothing.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It still doesn't beat the all time worse was it
when Randy Galloway wrote a column saying the Mavericks should
not take Michael Jordan. Yes, oh wrote a whole go
go go google that bad boy. Yes, Randy Gallley, they
don't need Michael Jordan. Don' take Michael Jordan. Down on Michael.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Jorde picked if they have in that draft.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
They actually picked fourth fourth, Bill Garnett. No, they took
uh Sam Perkins, Jordan's teammate for North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Sleepy Sam, who had a really nice NBA career.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Michael Jordan, a chem Elijahonna Houston had won Portland took
Sam Buie at three, The Bulls took Jordan at third.
Rod Thorn by the way made the pick, and then
the Mavericks took Sam Perkins at four.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Okay, Sam Perkins, Dela Shrimp, Calvin Booth. We were just
a Seattle super Sonics farm system there for a while.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Man.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, except for when they decided Ye the Cowboys though
passed on, passed on death, passed Carmel for dead less shrimp. Yeah,
that didn't work out for very well. But but Dak Prescott,
so you've got that also right now, Dak, with one
hundred ninety seven passing yards against the Blitz, leads the NFL.
He ranks fifth in completion percentage right now, and Dak
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leads the NFL in third down completion seventy five fifteen
of twenty on third downs, with eleven of those completions
going for a first down. It's just two games in,
but the quarterback's doing his job.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, they see. I don't really care about none of
those stats because everybody who watches the game, he looks better.
He's playing better. You can see it, like it don't
even matter what the stats say, just like you can
still a couple of years ago when we played like
poorly because he's throwing interceptions every week for whatever reason,
you can look at it and see he looks better.
He just feels he looks more confident, like the way
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he took off in the overtime and got the eighteen yards.
I mean he like was decisive with it, Like, oh,
boot boot off. That's a guy who's playing confidently. And
as long as he's doing that, man, that would be
the problem on offense. Now. I can't say much about
their defense right now, but on offense still be a problem.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Okay, Yeah, I mean stats wise, those probably should be
better too. But like I mean, as good as those are,
they should look better. The guys haven't totally finished plays
all the time. I think that a lot of drops. Yeah,
I think Jjc's right, Like when you look at it,
you've got the fact that he's playing at a different
like eye test alone tells you he's better than he
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was last year, even before the injury. Before the injury
last year, that was there's a lot broken about this
football team, like whenever anybody goes well, they lost Dak
for the year. That's part of why they were so bad.
That they were three and five with Dak and they
were headed for probably that same seven and ten with him,
because it just it wasn't a good year and he
wasn't playing well. It was not the same guy that
had been out there in twenty twenty three and was
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second in the MVP voting, and so he looks more
like that guy right now. He looks comfortable, he looks confident,
he looks in rhythm. More than that, he looks he
looks cocky in a good ones.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
She maybe, and I thought about this the other day,
maybe he's at that point of his career, year ten,
where he's got the answers to the test. So yeah,
it's nothing he sees that he goes, oh, I know
y'all are doing.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
This people in here. Players say it all the time.
Coaches say it all the time, and it probably sounds
just generic to people. But whenever somebody tells you like
they've seen a lot of football, Like whenever they talk
about a coach or a player, man, they've seen a
lot of football. What they're telling is like the same
concepts that we're going, like why can't you figure out
cover three and cover two to stop the giants? Like
a lot of these concepts are it's a matter of
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mastering what is out there. There's not gonna be as
much as there's a Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan or
Ben Johnson or somebody else knew pushing things forward. When
you look at it, it's like now, at the end
of the day, there are a lot of the same
basic concepts, and once you have them down and once
you understand things pre snapp and what coordinators like to
do different people like to do, then yeah, you've reached
a level of mastery that Dak just may be out
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at this point of his career same roughly same time
as Tony Romo's career when he popped off.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
He went thirty four and ten and thirty four and
nine the year after, he led the league and with
nineteen interceptions, because you could tell it slowed down for
him and there was no fool in him. It was
just a matter of do I have enough time and
do these guys running right routes and will they catch
it because the ball is going to the right spot.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Yeah, there's a couple of things I want to point out.
He's seeing the field really well. And you mention those
numbers against the blitz new and specifically the game against
the Giants, he was blitzed twenty times. He went thirteen
for nineteen for one hundred and forty nine yards in
one touchdown. It's it's almost like he's baiting defensive lineman
to get in his face and it's I asked him
about it after the game. I was like, you've been
so good against the Blitz during your career. How do
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you take that pressure and still work it in the stride?
And you know, it's It's another one of those things
that he's He's seen it, he understands it. He understands
that Giants coverage scheme as well, and that's benefited him.
But I think the thing this year, if we compare
this year to last year and the limited time that
he had in twenty four, a healthy running game is
helping him so much. And seeing to Bonte Williams being
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that guy and him being able to utilize the play
action to his full advantage. I mean, why when he
can utilize the play action and he could play this
well against the Blitz. That's when you see the twenty
twenty three version of of Dak Prescott or the twenty
twenty version of Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It seems to me, and I haven't looked at any
states that they're also attacking the middle more. Does it
seem like that to you?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, I'll tell you what's back. Deep crossers are back.
I know that's back. Those were not really in the
offense last year very frequently. You've seen him hit those
more frequently, So that's yeah, going across the middle of
the field, you're hitting some of those. They haven't hit
on the sceam throws to the tight ends yet, but
they're trying them. Yeah, I don't know it is this,
there's this blend. So younger quarterbacks, they have all the
(27:18):
athletic ability in the world, they're at their peak, but yeah,
they're still kind of behind in terms of where they're
at with the game. You got a guy like Russell
Wilson who physically is not the same player anymore, but
answers to the test guy as a veteran. He knows
what those coverages look like. He saw on Sunday, so
he was able to just all right, I can pick
this apart. I know what this is. I've seen it before.
Dak is at that point right now where you generally
quarterbacks play their best football in their early thirties in
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the modern NFL, because the physical ability is still kind
of there, and you've got the high IQ, the high
mental processing, and this is the time, this two three
year window where you're supposed to be able to kind
of maximize everythings.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So first year calling plays, McCarthy had Dak second in
the league in MVP, and right now we're seeing Gottenheimer,
who's calling the place for Dak.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
There.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
There's two games in so far. Dak's looking good right here.
What do we think about the play calling here between
the two coaches anything at all? Is it the player?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I think, what do you think, Bobby, I need to
see something. I think if you look at weeks one
through six in twenty twenty three and look at week
seven on and look at what that offense looked like,
you'll see one that looks remarkably different. And I think
the one you see week seven on looks like the
one you're looking at right now. And I think that's
because this is the second time, basically in their career
that Shottenheimer and Dak Prescott have been calling the shots,
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and the other time was the majority of the back
half of twenty three.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
They have understanding.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I think Dak Prescott was largely in charge of the
offense for most of that MVP year, and I think
early on, when you look at the way that the
three step time and get the ball out classic West
Coast look was the first six weeks of the season
where they really really struggled.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, is that when CD went in there and said, That's.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
When a lot of people I think went in there
and said some stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
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Speaker 5 (32:01):
Can't the guy that they said was the reason because
Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You know, Ben Johnson's gonna solve it all. So ibra
Flus is going back this week. Brian Schottenheimer's talked openly
the press conference is about, you know, wanting to win
for him this week thoughts.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Yeah, I don't think Schottenheimer tried to say that. You know,
you Rerafluce, He's the same man every day, is consistent.
You know, he's going to treat like a really game stop.
Look man, look man, I could leave a place on
my own. I'm still gonna want to beat them when
I go back. So I'm doing a little bit better.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
So that girl dumps you when you see her later,
you know how you.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Want even if you dump her, even if yeah, you
always want to win the breakup, right, you always want
to break up.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That's to break up.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, I mean, like the a couple of years ago,
they tried to insist everybody in this organization tried to
insists going to Green Bay doesn't mean much. Going to
Green Bay for the first time. From my glasco a
lot of these coaches, it doesn't mean that. That was
a lot that meant something. And when the when they
lost that game the way they did that hurt. That
hurt a lot of people, a lot of people who
didn't even work in Green Bay. There was a lot
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of people whore just like we let them down in
a big way. This was a I mean the I
remember they threw it up on the scoreboard. They had
a like a list that looked like a class role
of here's everybody who's returning tonight on the coaching staff
for the Cowboys, and and so it's one person. Uh
and it's actually two because you got ebra Flus and
then over Street Curtis Andre Curtis too. Yeah, so you've
(33:37):
got guys returning back there. For those guys, they're they're
going to want to Yeah, you got Ready Stewart too. Okay,
you you got you got him ready to be a
steward for the cornerback room. You've got the You've got
guys here that they're gonna want to all work together
on I think playing for each other and and and
like playing for getting a victory out for them, like
(33:58):
I mean, they love game on on Sunday. I wouldn't
be surprised, like game ball fluse like like like it's
gonna be already side, it's going to mean something. So
so exactly you're you're gonna get the ruty moment. So
I uh no, I think that it absolutely means something
regardless of you. You've got to keep your composure, you
gotta be the same guy every day, you gotta stay
even all that sort of stuff. But yeah, it's definitely
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gonna mean a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I look at a game like this and you just
hope the dudes on the back end can can get
it right this week. I mean, it was just it.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Was what was the bad that was bad? I so
there was a lot of talk. I mean, I know
a lot of people wanted to throw Trayvon Digs under
the bus, but I don't think. I don't think Diggs
was as responsible for as many of those plays. A
lot of people thought, I think that they're in zone
coverages a lot of times, and and honestly it was
(34:53):
could be communication. It looked mainly to me like as
simple as just these are basic cover two, cover three
concepts a lot of times. This isn't a lot of
like you know, different things with creeper blitzes and things
that Mike Zimmer wants to do, or it's not a
bunch of man match concepts that Vic Fangio wants to do.
These are things that you've played in for a while.
It just seemed like there was there were too many lapses.
(35:13):
So to me, I know it's cliche, but players got
to make place and and players more than that, players
just got to be in the right position and a
lot of times. I think on Sunday, guys were not
in the right position where they were supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
Seven times in that game against the Giants, they gave
up a pass of twenty or more yards, which that
alone is wild. Here's an order of at least the
responsibility that I was able to pin off of those
seven plays. The first one Kenneth Murray, second one, Trayvon Diggs, third,
Jack Sanborn, fourth, Trayvon Diggs, fifth, Kyrie Elam, sixth Mollie Cooker,
seventh Donovan Wilson, and Kyrie Elams.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
So it's a little bit everybody.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
It's a little bit everybody. It's funny for the one
guy you expected to maybe be on this list that
was not was Ready Stewart. If you had told me
going into the game that hey, you're gonna have seven
pass plays giving up a more than twenty yards, you
would have thought Ready Stewart's name would be honest, So
so can you.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
That was an interesting name that people People went after him.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And man, he's a failed first round pick.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
If you're not putting any pressure on Russ And then
the great Warrens Sat used to say, the back don't
work without the front. And if the front's not getting
home and you got Russ back here with time and
experienced guy.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Well there's still time. I mean, I was told Sam
Williams and Dante Fowler was gonna make up for Michael
and it was gonna you know, they was, what are
you looking like that? That's what I was told. Now
people want to have revision of history, like I wasn't
told that.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
But after the trade, don't worry about Michael. I'm gonna
get it by committee.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
And you know, I never like committees.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I was at the training camp once and I was
told that Derek Lassick was gonna be okay while they
waited for EMMITTT. Smith, and that Derek Lassick was on
the Alabama nineteen ninety two national championship team and upset Miami,
and Derek Lassick told me, I think I'm gonna be okay.
It went on too, So I'm just saying we've heard
(36:54):
some stuff around here.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
I'm both Scarborough, not Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
My problem with the with the Pad, with the are
they all seem to me to be complimentary guys. They're
not like that dude, right, and so they don't scare
anybody and.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
They signed a complimentary guy.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I mean, I think they've spent about seventeen million, counting
Clowney on their age. Every guy, you know, the franchise
number was like twenty two. I mean, think about that,
and there's like twenty guys who make more than twenty
and he signed all of them for seventeen. You get
what you pay for most.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Of the time.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
I understand your point about pass rush being able to
help these guys out more than anything, and obviously you
don't have a very key pass rush weapon that you
had last year. But and this is what we're talked about,
guys not understanding simple cover two cover three responsibilities. The
fifty two yard game that was given up middle of
the third quarter, Darius Slayton blown coverage. He was opening
right down the right sideline. Kyer Elam is the only
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player on the field out of the seven that were
in coverage that was playing cover to everybody else playing
cover three. So like he understood that or he had
an understanding that he was supposed to play shallow there,
and no one was there to account for Slate in
his fifty two yard games. So it's like it's at
times guys aren't even understanding where they're supposed to be.
That's why I understand when Scheinenheimer says, hey, I think
this can be a one week fix, and for sure
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you'd be like, hey, you're supposed to do that, and
not that. I mean that's that's not a one week fix,
that's a five second fix.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
But is that understand is that you just didn't get
to play call You thought you heard this that you
heard and everybody else heard that.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, I mean two and three? Uh Like I mean
it don't sound. Yeah, they don't sound. Suddenly they share
one letter too, that's it. Like, I mean, I would
look at it and I'd say, yeah, that was clear.
Like you watch Elum on that play. He very clearly
thinks he's got somebody behind him who's taking it. Like
the way he's playing it, it's he's releasing and he's letting
him go, and everybody else's is playing a different kind
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of coverage. I think as much as that's something that's
on elim, there are other times where it looks like
something may have been on Elam that's not. Something looks
like it may have been on digs that's not. And
that's the difficult thing about trying to keep track of
these sort of.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Things, not trying to make excuse to just asking the question,
is this what happens when you have three defensive coordinators
in three years and three different ideas about what you
want to do?
Speaker 3 (39:04):
No, not to be not on cover two cover three,
say yes, but it certainly doesn't help. It doesn't It
doesn't help. But I mean they've all been playing cover two,
Cover three since high school.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
That personnel was drafted with the intention of being in
the dan Quinn system where they ran more man covers
and anything.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I was going to ask that if they were, if
you have a situation where you got guys who play
who specialize in man acting, play co cool, I mean
zone and it's not.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah fits, Yeah, fits are absolutely going to be a
part of this. But again, like we're talking about, basically,
you are introduced to cover two and Cover three, you're
playing that in high school, you're playing on in college,
you're playing that up through the NFL. Like proficiency is
another question, but just flat out not knowing this is
I need to let somebody go to that zone that
just feels and so.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
And I also go back to a defensive coordinator. We
saw Zimmer talk about that. Okay, you are you running
your scheme? Are you putting the players that you have
the best position possible.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Quinn deserves a ton of credit for when he got here,
Quinn throughout historically what his entire scheme had basically been,
and he started like he had always been a big
time cover three guy. And he got here and he
got more comfortable with all right, let's uh, Mike, you
were drafted here to be a linebacker. Let's have you
do this, Let's have this guy do this. He started
just saying, all right, I'm going to find where these
pieces work and make them work. And you hear that
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from coaches all the time when they code. It's about
players over over scheming. Schottenheimer said that when he got
hired that one of the big things I think he
said his dad had told him was that, you know,
if you've got players that don't fit your scheme, you've
got the wrong scheme. You need to find something that
talented players have the ability to do. That's something that
Dan Quinn really maximized when he was here, and and
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something that you know, you you you will figure out now.
To be fair, Eberflus is probably figuring it out first
couple weeks dan Quinn was here, the defense didn't look
very good either, and over time he realized, Okay, this
guy does this well, this guy is this well. Zimmer
same thing last year. First couple weeks were tough. He
figured out, right, this guy does this, but they're not good.
So you could have this could be a period of
figuring things out. But if we're five weeks from now
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and there are still problems with Cover two and Cover
three and guys are just being asked to go out
there and still continue to the same thing. If Donovan Wilson,
who I think is a really good player, dan Quinn
always thought Donovan Wilson needed to play up in the
box and be a physical, strong safety, like extra run
defender type. Agree, Yes, Donovan Wilson's been asked to play
a lot of deep middle in the first couple of
weeks here for the Cowboys, and I just.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I that seems like a bad idea.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
That's something that we'll see if you if you figure out, like, Okay,
that's something that's not gonna work, or if you just
kind of say, no, we got to do it this way.
This is the way I want it done.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Because he's a human missile.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah, he is probably the most physical player on their defense.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
And I bring this out here just so fans have
an understanding. By the way, these coaches are all new
and they're all working together, and it takes a while
to figure it out. I remember Bill Parcells was saying, Hey,
I learned how to coach the coaches here three you know,
three different defenses and three different guys with three different ideas.
I just I just wonder how much it matters. And
clearly as we're having the conversation here, we can make
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some cases where it does. And does dan Quinn, I mean,
does Eberflus do it? Dan Quinn and say, hey, look,
maybe I got to make some changes here to take
advantage of these guys, because ain't like you go ahead
and dump these dudes and go get a whole bunch
of new people. So anyways, something to look at. And
and oh, by the way, you got something to Chicago
this week where you know, you give Caleb some time.
And by the way, you know Caleb, Caleb and Iberflus
(42:13):
didn't have the world's coziest relationship.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
For the first time we talked to ibra Flus this
past summer. The I had asked him, I said, what's
the biggest thing you've learned since Chicago that you think
you're most fundamentally different on since you left Dallas? And
he said, you know, players need to be maximized, like
you can't essentially said you can't just try to fit,
you know, square peg, round hole and say this is
the way it's got to be. You need to figure
out what talented players can do and and maximize them
(42:36):
in that position. So if that's the case, then hopefully
you'll see some of that stuff sort of changed and adjusted,
just like in the second half you saw him blitzing
more when he realized the Edges weren't getting home against Philadelphia.
Hopefully you see those same sort of things throughout the season.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
All right, guys, that's good stuff. You do it again.
All right, Shock, I'll try to remember me. Nick. It's
all good, man, it's all good. You got here, It's
all good, all good. I'm newing, Chris Bean. Everybody here,
appreciate you. Players lounge tomorrow for me and media mash.
So back to back right here, turn your phone.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
Up right now.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
That's my bad.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
And the Dallas Cowboys Football Club
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