April 2, 2025 • 43 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
The following.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
This is media Mash, a roundtable of Cowboys insiders trumping
wisdom and offering sizzling takes on the current state of
your Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Now your host new He scrugs.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Here we are media Mash. It's April.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We're getting closer and closer to the NFL Draft. I'm new,
He scrugs. There's the Hall of Famer Edwarder. We've got
Jacques Taylor in the house with his National championship. Get
it's I don't know about you, Ed, You're wearing short sleeves.
I'm wearing short sleeves. I'm wearing a T shirt.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
But see this is this is this is purposefulick. I
spend much of the day as president of the jj
T Media Group working in coffee shops. I've learned any
Tywars T shirt, you freeze, so you could always take
the sweatshirt off. In this case, I won't, but you
can always take it off, but you can never have
(01:06):
it if you need it.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Is Mama used to say, well, you know, you know, Chris,
being producer, keeps it room tempt so you're gonna be
good in here.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Good.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
But I wasn't coming from the crib man, some of them,
some of us working me. We got to work out day.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Take it off now.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
But you won't if you understand, show these guns. I
get arrested out here.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Where's our fourth where's our fourth guy?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
There's Clarence.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
He's stuck an ass somewhere. Man, there's more time for us.
He's an interesting traveler. He doesn't know he's late until
he lands.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Apparently, you know.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I tried to I tried to say, maybe maybe the
WiFi was messed up on the plane. But some people
in here don't believe he would have bought the WiFi.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
He wants us to pay forty one dollars.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
All city Dallas would have bought it.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Maybe, maybe not.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
He's not gonna buy it.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
But the show goes on after after yesterday, though, after
all the material that was produced at the breakers.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Was looking for him.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
I mean, Clarence was right there. He justified any expense
you might have submitted with a Jerry Jones comments yesterday
that creates a created such a ruckus around the league.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yes, Ed, let's start right there, Ye start right let's
start right there.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Gerald Wayne Jones.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Making sure it gets to the microphones and lets us
know his opinions here that Michael Parsons in the negotiating
this framework, it's.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Like bonus the blueprint.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
It's the guarantees term agent, who who, Davy who? I
don't need him?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
DAVEA?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Who's that? Who's he? Who's he?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yes? Yes? Which?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
So ed you? You you've been a beat writer, Jock.
You've been a beat writer before you guys did the
TV thing, so you understand the depths and the day
to day stuff. Dealing with Jerry Jones, what is he
trying to say when he says that.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
I don't really know what purpose is served by insulting
the owner and making himself look bad by association. I mean,
if Jerry really doesn't know the name of the agent
who's done some of the most historic contracts in the
NFL and represents one of the three best players on
your roster, Like, doesn't that indict him as a general
manager not to know the identity of that person. Look,
(03:17):
I think it's fine that Jerry, you know, has a
relationship with his players as superstars. He always has. It's
fine that he has him in and talks contracts with him.
But there's no reason to diss a prominent agent that
you're going to have to do business with at the
end of the day. And I mean, obviously it was
such an issue that Mike had decided to go public
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with an endorsement of his agent and say, there's not
going to be any backdoor deals. I hired this guy
because he's an expert, and I plan on using his
expertise to my benefit.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
The only thing I thought right away was, well, that's
gonna cost you another million or two. And the next
thing is, can't you just see is Mike sayin that contray, Uh,
mugga led of saying.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
What's my name? What's my name? What's my name?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I'll leave? Can't you see that?
Speaker 6 (04:08):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I mean I thought it was ridiculous. Man.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
He's one of the best agents in the game right now.
I mean, you know, hands down with the deals that
he's getting his guys. Uh, he always wins, and to
go out of your way to antagonize him just seems
bad business to me.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
You don't know the guy who signed to Shaun Watching
to the only fully guaranteed contract owners together.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Let's not do this is never happening again.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Just signed Antoine Winfield to the highest paid contract for
a safety. I signed Derek Stingley and the Texans this
offseason to the highest contract for a corner.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
He's he's that guy right now, and so clearly you
know who he is.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You're just messing with him man for no good reason.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Again, but you've already You've already done a contract with
Michael Parsons. You're trying to say, Steven did it and
the cap guy did it without nothing. I just and
I asked that question because ed famous. So you go
back to the whole whole. Hey, anyone of five hundred
coaches could do that. He gave you that quote when
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he was done with Jimmy. But I'm just trying, what's
that day when he hits you at that There was
a purpose where he was going, and so that was
my thoughts. I I gotta ask and tell me the purpose.
Ya tell me the purpose of going there at all.
There is one other thing you known. Everybody knows. We
get old, you feel like you say whatever you want
to say.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
I think Jerry's just why everybody the grandmama talk about
your baby.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Look at you.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You need just little some weight.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Your fat because they could say what they want to say.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I don't worry about your feelings.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Jerry's eighty some years old, he's at this stage now.
He said what he wanted to He don't care about
your philings.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Jerry's always loved for people to know that he has
a great relationship, a fatherly type of relationship with the
best players in the history of the franchise since he
became the owner. I think the thing that got missed
in all of this, and to me, which was the
bigger news because of Jerry sliding David Mulligetta the way
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he did, was Jerry saying, I'm gonna hold off on
this deal. I mean, there's no sense of urgency here
because I want to see if you're going to demonstrate
to me the kind of leadership I want if I'm
going to pay you what you're asking, which means to
me that they're not totally enchanted with what they've seen
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from Michael Parsons as a leader to this point. And
there's clearly a leadership void on the defensive side of
the ball at the start of this season, and Mike
has always viewed himself as a leader. I'm not sure
everybody in the locker room viewed him that way.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Huh yeah, right.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I asked this question of clans a couple of weeks ago.
Maybe I talked with you guys. Where the Cowboys happy
that Mike is going to be their defensive leader?
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You know? My man child? Right this?
Speaker 5 (06:59):
It doesn't matter he's I said, well, it does matter
if they want him to be. And I always say,
like t O was a leader, you're not happy he's
a leader. You wish he were not a leader because.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
He leaves he split the team.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah yeah, watching Sam Herd of Roy Williams follow following
too is not a good thing.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Right, So it matters who leadership is.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
And so I ask you you think the Cowboys are
happy that right now he's in a leadership role and
there's really nobody to challenge him for that position.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
I would say there's concerned about it. Given what Jerry
said yesterday. My willingness to make you the highest paid
non quarterback in football and to give you the salary
that we've talked about in my office multiple times for
five or six hours. The reason I gave you the
privilege of having my cell phone number is because I
want you to be this sort of player if I'm
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going to invest at that level, So to me, they
are not content with it.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
They do.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
I mean, there are definitely people in this organization still,
not just DeMarcus Lawrence who left or Jordan Lewis who
question motiv Micah's motivation, right, I mean, there are people
who still think he doesn't want to play within the scheme,
that he just wants to get glory and rush the
passer and accumulate sacks, and that he's never going to
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be a team first player, that he needs to be
more like Dak like. I think that's what Jerry wants.
I think Jerry wants to see Micah be the Dak
Prescott of defense. And that means and that means, you
come even when you're not happy with your contract, You come,
even you come to training camp in the offseason, even
when we haven't paid you what you think you're worth.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And that's the that's the situation he's in.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
He's gonna be on the fifth year, final year of
his rookie contract. He wants a lucrative, long term deal,
and Jerry's basically saying, I want to see you at
mini camp. I want to see you at training camp
even though you're not signed.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Now, you know the problem with that is two things.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Number One, quarterbacks don't have to act the fool because
ultimately quarterbacks always get their money.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
And two, dek is an outlier leader.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
So I mean, it's at one level, it's ridiculous to
think that, you know, he's one. If Jerry says he's
one of the best leaders I've ever seen on the Cowboys,
why you expect Michael to be that.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
But he he demonstrates what good leadership is. Mike a
sees it all the time.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Oh, I think I think it's more than that.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I think he just I think that demonstrates what you know,
the one percent of leadership is right.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
But if you have that kind of example in your
locker room, isn't it hard not to emulate that?
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Yeah, because it's he's an outlier, you know what I'm saying,
Like his leadership skills are an outlier. He does stuff
he does. He has leadership that's natural in the sense
of I just do this because I think that's what
And I always go back to the point when he
was a rookie and I saw him going around passing
out candy to the offensive lineman and everybody.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Hey, just a little back, Hey, you want.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Something to do?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And he used to keep a bag in his locker.
I mean it's candy.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
It doesn't really mean anything except that it does, like
look at that, all right, And it's just an for him.
I think leadership is innate for Michaeh and a lot
of players is not in eight because Michael may be
like a lot of guys. I want all the money,
I want audio wards, but I don't want none of responsibility.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I just want to be worried about me.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
I will say this in defense of Micah. At the
end of the year, I thought he did begin to
show some genuine leadership in his comments about his contract,
which is, I don't need to make forty million. I
don't need to be the highest paid non quarterback or
the highest paid defensive player. I want guys around me
to get paid. I want to keep this group together
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so I can perform and we can win games. Like
that is what you want him to say. And so
I think he's moving in the right direction. But I
just know since he's been here, there's always been this
schism on the defensive side of the ball. With him
in the locker room to the point that I don't
know if you felt this way, but as a media person,
I was always like, when you're listening to Micah, when
you're walking away from another way, if Jordan Lewis is
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talking to you, you walk away from, or if DeMarcus Lawris
is talking you walk away from because Mike is available,
They're watching that and what judgments are they making about
us based on who we're listening to.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
So I likeing this a little bit when you talk
about the leadership situation and the player to someone that
I covered when they first came up, which is Kobe Bryant,
who Michaeh Parsons.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Likes, quotes them all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yes, Michael Micah's guy. Spent his first four years really
in his own self. Kobe was not a leader.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Kobe was was seventeen, and he talked about it because
he he mimicked a lot of things, as Jordan said,
but but he just wasn't.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
And Kobe, obviously, with a twenty year career, he grew
into it. And I bring this up as you guys
be former beat writers, some of this stuff does take
some time. Here's Dak Prescott, you know, played played a
lot of football at Mississippi State, and my gosh, we
know what the backs story of what he's gone through.
And and MICA's a little different, you know, coming out
(12:04):
of Penn State. Remember the whole little issue about the
locker room hazing thing and stuff going on to Pencil.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Certain guys gotta grow a little bit. I think sometimes
we can forget.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I mean, these guys are twenty something year old dudes.
I mean DeMarcus Lawrence grew into a leader.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I mean he didn't say boo his first two years
and then and then he evolved in the one but
he didn't mind.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
To me, he didn't mind the responsibility that came with it.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Like responsibility is basic, just like the quarterback when you
get your butt handed to you, you stand there, take
the questions. You don't dip and be like I'll see
you guys, or you don't give short one word answers
and be gone in thirty seconds.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
You don't question the work ethics of the head coach
who's already under fire.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Yeah that too, and so he can certainly evolve into
a leader. And now I do believe agree one hundred
percent with it's about Yeah, you know, and as parents
we all do it. I was telling the story the
other day about one of the worst. Let me see,
I think we should use tongue lashings. My son ever
received was he was supposed to do something. He was
about twelve, and he said, well, I didn't feel like it,
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so I didn't. And he got the whole list of
things I do that I don't feel like doing as
a parent. And so for Micah, you get the money, Doug, yeah,
you gotta do a bunch of stuff you don't feel
like doing. What you become one of the faces of
the franchise. So yeah, you got to show up at OTA.
That's voluntary even though you don't want to, because that's
what leadership is, That's what being the highest paid player
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is all about.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
So if that is the underlying thing that Jerry's possibly saying,
I thought he flat out shut it, then how and
maybe he said it to him? But how do you
get that? Is this Jerry? Is it Shottenheimer's something? How
do people get it?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
To get just say, hey, dog, we need to see
whatever the voluntary, we need to see you at all
the offseason workouts, and we need to see you here
early and being you know, the last one off the field.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You know, this is what it comes with. Jason ging said,
this comes with the meal. You want to be the
highest non paid, you know, non quarterback in the league.
This is what week's OTAs you're here, you're leading setting
the example, not OTA's last year where you flew in
because NBC was doing Sunday night promos.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
He gifted, came in there. Look they waiting on Sunday night.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And then he batsta, No, you're there early. You show
up in the meeting rooms.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
You there as you know before the meeting stuff, just
the normal stuff that leaders do.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You send it at the tone.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
It's important because of all of the personnel they've lost
over the last two seasons and the fact that there's
no consistency on the coaching staff on the defensive side
of the ball. This is a third defensive coordinator in
three years. So you need him to create that stability
and be that consistent voice on the defensive side of
the ball. And I think that's what Jerry wants. That's
what Jerry says he wants. I think Jerry's gonna have
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to pay him either way. Sure, sure, but I think
this is but it's it's a chance for them to
make that a point of emphasis.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
And that was my next thing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
This is the time to go ahead and set the
parameters of what it is you want, right. We want
you here, We want to give you this record breaking contract.
But on the other side, this is what we say
it comes with.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
You know the other thing I mentioned that you talked
about evolving as a leader and as a young player.
I think that's certainly possible. And like I said, there
been indications late in the season with how he framed
his desire about the contract and what his priorities were
in that regard that he did show some leadership. I
think he showed even more leadership when he came back
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from that sprained ankle and play the way he did.
I mean he missed four games. Other players went down
with different injuries and never came back or took far
longer than the team expected to come back from injuries,
and Mica seemed like he really applied himself to get
back as soon as possible, even though the season wasn't
going the way the Cowboys expected it to go and
there really wasn't much to play for.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
By the time he was healthy again.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
He wanted his ten digits wanted that, which you know, hey,
look that helps the team with That's the old Pete
Rose things when somebody said, all Pete Rose cares about
is hitting three hundred, get two hundred hits and you know,
scoring one hundred runs and guys like at some point
in time, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
That's my help?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Don't you think I'm gonna help their heads?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
If you know, yeah, Pete self is his heck, but boy,
that's what Pete cares about.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
That's somewhere along the line, is gonna help you.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
So if Michael Parsons, hey I need my double sex
and he's coming back to play, I just still think,
and this is just my opinion.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I just still think this is a part of growing up.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And everyone does it in their own times, but we
we sometimes, especially I say, your older fan base. You know,
you got guys who have kids in their thirty You
should be like that. Ain't that way, man? You'd like
it to be, But it's not always that way. But
clearly you have a player that's really good. You don't
get many players like Michael Parsons on your team.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
And they've done things almost nobody has done in this
short space of time early in your career.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
I mean, nobody's disputing he's a great player. And because
he's a great player, you want.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
More, and that's where you know, you have to harness
that thing.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And I was I was lucky enough that I was
there when Phil Jackson got to the Lakers after the
del Harris was the head coach and Kurt rams to
the interim and then here comes Phil, and Phil was
able to connect with Kobe and get what he needed
out of Kobe.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
To make him a champion.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And we'll see if Brian Schottenheimer come back from the
break talking about this.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
We talked about his relationships with people.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
You know this, Brian was a great player who couldn't
give you that leadership never evolved into It was always
something about me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
But he's a position.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
He is a great player, but Michael Levin.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Put him at odds with the quarterback and the tight
end here.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
But Michael Levian was a great player, and it was
all about me. But it was all about the team
and me. No, it was about me and the team.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I think where Michael came from the U that program
helping win its win the national championship, and and also
Michael being people forget Michael graduated from the University of Miami.
Michael was, Michael was a Michael is a smart guy.
You know, people, He's just not some jock. Michael's a
smart guy. Got a business administration degree.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
So and he was here before Troy and Michael and
or before Troy name it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, yeah, so got got here in eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I think they're same number of different players, different people,
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Speaker 2 (20:32):
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That's for Clarence.
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Brian Schottthheimer. So, Brian Schottenheimer, first time head coach out there,
you know in.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Florida for the national media.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, yeah, Shot, he's a shot. He's a likable I
tell people, you know, cowboy fans. I was in Alabama
during the NCAA term. People asking about cowboy fans. I
ask him about I said, Shotty is a guy you
would like you meet Shot, Brian Schottenheimer, you would like him.
He's a likable guy, right, But there's just a lot
of unknowns. It's a lot of unknowns. And yes, Marty
Schottenheimer was his father, and some people look at that
(21:29):
as pluses and some people look at the minus as
a Marty personally. I think Marty's a Hall of Fame
head coach. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
But we will see if he's allowed to do what
he does.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And he's big on relationships, And that's when I kind
of go back into Michael Parsons. What type of relationship
can Schottenheimer have and needs to build, especially.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Because he's an offensive guy. Mike is a defensive guy.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Well, the challenge for him, first of all is to
prove he's capable of being a head coach for the
first time and pairing a full team and you know,
making adjustments during the game and at the same time
calling plays on offense for the first time with a Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
He's never done that here before. He done it other places.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
But yeah, I think he's a guy who will and
does prioritize relationships and the importance of that in team building.
I mean, he talked about going to all these pro
days recently and how his part of that is evaluating,
you know, these these players, these prospects as people and
how they're going to fit into your system and what
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you can expect from them and that sort of thing.
So I think he'll be good at that part of it,
and I think he'll do the same thing on the
defensive part of it. Like I've always been impressed from
all the time he's been here as an assistant, you know,
every Monday, when he comes out and speaks to us
about the offense, I thought he's always been very engaging
and very detailed in his explanations. He knows how to
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give the media what the media wants in a way
that some head coaches here have not.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
In the past, and I think it's been.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Detrimental to the overall. So I think he'll be great
at that part of it, but he's got to prove
that he can handle a whole team and manage a game.
And you know that's that's more difficult. Some of those
things are more difficult with the Cowboys than in other
places because of the unique dynamics in play with this
organization and the way it's structured and operates well.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
I think I think creating relationships with players and coaches
is an underrated thing. Like if you see what Dan
Campbell has done in Detroit, He's created relationships with his
players and they give it back to him by playing
as a certain level. But I also think on an
individual level, if you have if guys know not just
that you care about them, but that you actually know
(23:38):
something about them, their wives name, the kids name, they
just play harder for you. It's like anything else. When
you feel appreciated by your boss. It's not that you say, hey,
I'm gonna go do this. You just go, huh, you
know this will make new happy. I'm finna go do
this today. I'm gonna give a little bit more, a
little bit extra because he teats me right, I want.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
To make him look good. All those little things come
into play. You know.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Even as a columnist over the years, one of my
big things has always been.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
We forget that athletes are humans. Like they're like people.
They're like like seriously, they're like people.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Like people.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
They got the same most people, you know what I mean, Like,
they got the same emotions you got. They get mad,
they get happy, they get sad, they get irritated, aggravated,
and they got their wife is driving them crazy at
the crib because they didn't do something they mama's still
asking them for.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I mean, they got these real life issues.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
And if you can buy into that and get to
get to really know them and understand. Now that don't
mean you can't perform at work, but I understand you
may have this going on, so blase blase, you can
get the most out of them, and uh, you know,
to me, Schottenheimer off the Rip seems to be that
kind of coach, and Parcels was like.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
That in a way.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Even though he's grough with the media, he was like
that with players. He knew everything was going on with them,
and so you can have success like that. They still
got to perform, but it gives you a chance.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
And I think he's got relationships with the offensive side
of the ball and a strong relationship with the key
players on that side.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
You know, you got to be intentional about it too.
It's not it doesn't have to be like some happenstance.
You have to be intentional about creating these relationships.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
But he talks about how he's here all the time,
and he you know, spends a lot of time walking
the hallways and going to the locker room, going to
the weight room, and engaging players in those capacities, which
I think is a good thing too.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, so stay with me here on that, and let's
go back into Jason Garrett because I remember he had
the relationship and we saw it publicly with Tony Romo,
Jason Witt and Marco Murray.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I'll show up at Duke.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I thought that was dumb and there's too much of
a relationship.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Boys see him in other events and Mavericks games.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
No, you can't do socialized.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
With socialized with a group, but you can't be socialized
with a couple of players.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yes, that's that's terrible, And.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
I I heard from some differ still to this day,
from some defensive players you should be bringing.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Up, man, when some of those players are the same
ones who are doing the same thing with the owner,
that causes even more problems.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, yeah, it can't be like that.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
Man.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
It's as a coach, you know, you just have to understand, man,
you're not boys, You're not friends, because at some points
you got to make a hard decase. You know, either
I got to cut you out or I gotta bench you,
or I gotta cut you.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
And we can't do that if we boys. No, Garrett
didn't do it with Dak Prescott and Tonomo. He did
do that that part of it. I give him credit
for that.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
How many rings did that produce over ten years, Championship games?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Anything?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Hey man, there's a lot of reasons for that. He's
one of many coaches.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
And I think, like I said before, I think Schottenheimer
knows how to win the press conference on a regular
basis that gives you a break, and that was Jason
was never interested in that for some reason, like he
would be the way he was, and I think a
lot of fans were put off by him because he yeah,
he was.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
He was condescending in that. Well, we know things that
you don't know.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
You don't know football well enough to judge just no
matter what that you just watched bad football for three hours.
You know, who are you to We know what the
reality is and you.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Don't because you're not a part of it.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
And then he would step off to the side and
he would be great right off camera. He was great,
and he never used that to his advantage. And I'm
still be I still ask Babel Offenberg why he didn't
do that, Like he saw Aikman developed relationships with people
in the media and Michael and how that benefited them.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Why didn't he want that kind of benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
That's an interesting point, like you don't have to develop
you don't have to be like that with everybody.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
You could pick and choose who you want to be
that with.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
You know, some guys say, okay, they show up in
time to go, hey, they talked to the PR person,
who's the most powerful colnist in town. Okay, that's my
new boy. Or who's the biggest TV personality parcel part Okay,
that's my new boy. He's a filing galloway. And then
I Rick Carlo got hired by the Mavericks. I was
working over now ESPO one of three three, and Carlile
(28:07):
was supposed to be on I was filling in for
the Galloway show, bring me and Brian Estrich and Carlile
gets on the phone.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Think his Galloway was he was.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Mad, I can't talk to the big dug call talking dudes,
but that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
We were like, sorry, Randy's off, Well let him know, but.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Tell me when Randy's on, I'll be on them.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
But Carlile just like he understood, what who are the
power brokers?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Who I need to talk to?
Speaker 6 (28:32):
It It was a decision Jason clearly made because you're
look at him in the media now he's great, right,
he's great again.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
He could have been that as the head coach. He
chose not to be for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
So part of me wonders, wasn't that sabing factor for
him at all? Where you know you're around Nick and
Miami and Saban's got the lanctern and does all that.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
But it could be. But you gotta have some self awayess, man.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
You ain't Nick, right, Nick?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Nick had out of the National Championships.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Could you could ask how you want to you Bill Parcells,
you got super bowls. You've been a chain, you can
ask how you want to act.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
But we saw that too with belichick assistance when bad
Patrici was in Detroit. You know, guys were turned off
by him.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
So all them cats were like that man except Kingsbury.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Kingsbury and every day asked him one time, He's like,
you gotta win. At least Cliff was self aware that
I can't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
O'Connell's not like that. Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Kevin O'Connor, good boy.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I two guys I was really wrong on It's Kevin O'Connell,
Dan camp I thought both like like this this and
I have been been drastically wrong and both guys.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
That's how Campbell would work man, just because he had
been long time assistants with guys who know how to
get it done. He's off the party and he had,
but he didn't have that arrogance about it. I mean,
he had the right personality with guys who got it done.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
He just sounded so much at first, like you know,
like goober, it sounded like one of these guys are
cutting the wrestling gromo.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
You gotta pint. You just watched next week a Summer Slam.
We're gonna be biting off.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah yeah, Now, Q would be hell on a elass.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Would that last for a long time or would that
be like the four and out program, five and out program.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I mean, one thing we do know this, he changed
the culture in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
The general manager Brad Holmes, he's got some sensational talent.
And whatever they're doing there, the GM and the head
coach know what they want. They're getting those kinds of players.
Those players have bought in, and that looks like a
team is going to be a contender here for the
next three to four years.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
They haven't taken advantage of great opportunities they've created for
themselves the last two years. Either they were the number
one seed, they lost the first game at home to
a wild card Washington team with a rookie quarterback. And
now Dan Campbell's lost his two coordinators to head coaching
positions in the NFL, so that's a new challenge for him.
But sorry, Schottenheimer goes. I think the other things that
impressed me that he talked about at the owners meetings
(30:51):
were the importance of, you know, developing a meritocracy here
that you were in your playing time, that it's competitive
every day in practice, which I think comes from Pete
Pete Carroll. That's the way he was in Seattle when
he created those super Bowl teams up there. I think
I think that rubbed off and impressed Schottenheimer, and he'll
implement that here. He also talked about how, in his mind,
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you build teams from the outside in yes, which was
kind of an interesting It.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Is, but isn't that Well, he's not wrong in that
if you.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
The highest bag receiver on the perimeter, why because you
score touchdowns on the perimeter or na either you score
touchdowns on the perimeter or you prevent touchdowns from being scored.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Game changing plays are made by those players.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, so that makes sense.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
But then at the same time he talks about the
need to dominate the line of scrimmage, you know, if
you're gonna win in this division, and that's going to
be you know, part of our purpose and our mantra
is going to be that. So I'm not sure how
compatible those things are when you're trying to make the
right decisions in a draft where you have limited opportunities
to to draft players. But if he truly believes in
(31:56):
the outside in thing, it would seem to suggest that
they would emphasize a wide receiver, a corner and edge
rusher with at least their first pick.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Let's dive into that specifically, the wide receiver position will
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Speaker 2 (34:16):
Back to Media Mash. Here we are Media Mash final
segment edwards, here's Jacques Taylor's here, Clarence Hill. Maybe he'll
do it us next time around. I hope. I can't
make any guarantees, but everyone's had ample time to talk
and not get stepped on.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
And that's been really fun so far in the show.
Just just saying, you're.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Not saying that never happens when he's here. It just
didn't happen today.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
It just didn't happen today.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Coincidentally, Clarence is not here.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Figureverybody got the really really really we're really doing it?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yes, yes, really doing it? You are really doing here?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
All right? Wide receiver, get one for more.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I heard Mingo talk again during this owners Mingo's name
was brought up as though as though they were expecting
to think.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
He's the first pick of the draft for them. They've
already got him on the roster.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
The thing about Mingo is they traded a fourth round
pick for Mingo. Okay, and then I think it was
Stephen who said, yeah, we're looking for an explosive number two.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
What you trade for that dude for them?
Speaker 10 (35:25):
Man?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
If he's not that guy.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
If he's not that, what you what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
So?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
All right, this is how I I'm glad you bringed that,
because this is just how I'm thinking. So by you
saying that means if Tech mc millan's there twelve, you'll
probably pass on him and you probably go for the
kid Golding from Texas because you want some speed.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Are we just telegraphing what we want to do?
Speaker 5 (35:49):
That kind of sounds like it knowing the cowboys? But
that being said, I mean, I'm good with either one
of them. It's it's what cause say, it's a flavor
of ice cream, whatever you like.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
I wonder how many receivers there are that they think
are worth the twelfth pick.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
In the draft.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
That's a great question because in most years there's like sixteen,
eighteen first round picks. This is being kind of like
a bad draft from that perspective, So maybe there's only
twelve or fourteen true first round picks. And I wonder,
I'm with you, I wonder which receivers are first round picks.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
On the board.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Well, it's interesting, there don't seem to be a lot
of receivers who if people view or rate as first
round picks. But at the combine, ten receivers ran the
forty in four to four or less, which is the
most at any combine since two thousand and three. So
there's some speed at the position, and that's what I
think the Cowboys prioritize here rather than the size of
(36:49):
the player. Now, McMillan is a is an acrobatic player.
He's got an incredible catch radius, scores touchdowns, doesn't create
a lot of separation, doesn't necessarily have great speed. I
think he timed pretty well. I think he timed in
four or five something for his size.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It's not bad.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
You want the guy who can create the most big
plays for you, is.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
That golden Golden ran four two nine and consistently creates separation.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
But he's not as big. He's not a.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
How big is he is? He six something?
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Yeah, I think he's sick something that'll take it. And
then you got the Ohio State guy.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
But he's not a he's my boy.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
He's six one two oh two.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
But he's not a big play guy. He's not a twelve.
He's not twelve. No, he's not. He's not.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
He's not creating separation for him. I mean, he's a
really good route runner. But he's I don't view him
as a guy in the league. He's gonna make a
bunch of big plays, so he's gonna be really good.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And that not like that.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Golden makes a lot of twenty yard plays.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
That's the and he may make more if if he's
got seed getting double covered on the other side and
he's got one on one.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
But I think I think that is a justifiable priority
for this team going into the draft. As much as
they talk about they need a running back, which they do,
there's depth of that position. I think unquestionably that they
can get good players later. Now if Gent falls there,
I think you got to take him. I mean, he
seems like he's a one of the five or five
to seven total blue chip players in this draft.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
It's a deal man. I've said as many times. I'm
gonna say it one more time. Cavan Turpin cannot be
your second best offensive player, your most you know, your
big play guy. He just can't. He needs to be
like your fourth or your fifth guy. Right then you
got something going so we all or or we all
cover the game enough.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
When when Al Davis is around with when they believe
speed kills, Al was about that speed. That was his
thing here and we've seen Andy Reid really go with
it at Kansas City and having Tyreek Hill. They moved
out Tyreek Hill. And now last year they used the
first round pick. You're worthy from shape Rice, right, so
he's looking.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
For that speed there.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And when you got an all pro receiver in Ceedee Lamb. Yes,
here's a different one. They tried it with Brandon Cooks.
They could not get it happy name. Part of it
was health and just discot with a bad scheme.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
But you know with with and I've just used Golden's name.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
If you're talking about that and listening to what they
said in terms of okay, you think, well, we got
big body Mingo, we got CD Lamb.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
And here's a third guy. We've got three different types
of Jalen Tolbert.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
He's a bigger guy right at receiver.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
And Tolbert has flashed a little bit, not it, not consistently,
but he's enough.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
To be a two level. No, he was going to
be a two you'd know that by now.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
No, but he's shown enough that Okay, now he can
make a play for you on a given day.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Give me what Michael Gallap was when he had when
he was you know, you.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Kill if he was Michael Gallup. Michael Gallip was a
good player, right, Gilbert is solid. He ain't good yet.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
If you have a McMillan.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
I mean, it's surprising to me how many times, given
how they view and value Dak Prescott, how many times
they've shortened him at receiver in the course of his career.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
They've really only had the one year where they where
they where they had had Cooper c D and a
productive Gallop, right, and that I think.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
They did pretty well at you.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
They won the division that year. That's me and a
playoff game.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
So just this conversation right here, receiver at twelve, running
back and round two.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Sure if the right ones there, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Actually, I would say depends on the corner situation. If
I get a corner in two and there's a running
back in three, I might go that wrap. If there's
not a worthy corner, then yeah, I'll go take the running.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Back in two.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
They've got options, and just in talking in terms of
just received.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Let's you know, get trade options if needs.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
And like both both yes, and I still wonder if
if a trade down doesn't come into play, to try
to because you've lost the four if you trade down
to try to recoup it.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Work well last year for him they moved down. Somebody
wants to come a starting center out of the deal.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, So so I just I just wonder. We saw
it with with the Michael Parsons, we saw with Roy Williams.
So it's not something that Jerry won't do. But but I.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Could see them trading done because now, obviously in the draft,
like the should go well really, but you also go
there at twelve and if there's fourteen first round picks
and one of the you know, both quarterbacks go, maybe
somebody like Jackson Dart who's not kind of in that
group that you think goes some player that somebody covets
could drop and be like, oh, I didn't know he's
(41:30):
gonna be there, Let's go get him. So I could
see them having a couple opportunities to move down.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Look, it's gonna be interesting, guys, it's gonna be very interesting.
Draft is coming here, and Michael Parsons caught get it done.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Just not getting good done, just get Eventually it'll get done.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
You know, as Mama Wa was said, it's too much
like doing right.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
It's July. It's gonna be a July thing. Things to
do in.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
July, Okay, And so then he's not here for Ota.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
No, he'll be here because he wants to get that contract.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
And but what he wants to see but he ain't
gonna be working out.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Why not?
Speaker 6 (42:02):
He's under contract, Eba flu would love to see Jerry.
That's Jerry's thinking. Jerry always says there's no urgency. There's
no urgency in his mind if the player has a
contract for the upcoming season.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
That's the way he sees it.
Speaker 6 (42:16):
He says that about every one of these guys that
is under contract for the next season, there's no urgency.
I got him under contract. Same thing with McCarthy Letcher.
Why do I need to worry? I got him under contract.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
That worked out. Interesting way to do business.
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being producer, keeps it room tempt so you're gonna be
good in here.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Good.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
But I wasn't coming from the crib man, some of them,
some of us working me. We got to work out day.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Take it off now.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
But you won't if you understand, show these guns. I
get arrested out here.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Where's our fourth where's our fourth guy?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
There's Clarence.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
He's stuck an ass somewhere. Man, there's more time for us.
He's an interesting traveler. He doesn't know he's late until
he lands.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Apparently, you know.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I tried to I tried to say, maybe maybe the
WiFi was messed up on the plane. But some people
in here don't believe he would have bought the WiFi.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
He wants us to pay forty one dollars.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
All city Dallas would have bought it.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Maybe, maybe not.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
He's not gonna buy it.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
But the show goes on after after yesterday, though, after
all the material that was produced at the breakers.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Was looking for him.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
I mean, Clarence was right there. He justified any expense
you might have submitted with a Jerry Jones comments yesterday
that creates a created such a ruckus around the league.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yes, Ed, let's start right there, Ye start right let's
start right there.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Gerald Wayne Jones.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Making sure it gets to the microphones and lets us
know his opinions here that Michael Parsons in the negotiating
this framework, it's.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Like bonus the blueprint.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
It's the guarantees term agent, who who, Davy who? I
don't need him?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
DAVEA?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Who's that? Who's he? Who's he?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yes? Yes? Which?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
So ed you? You you've been a beat writer, Jock.
You've been a beat writer before you guys did the
TV thing, so you understand the depths and the day
to day stuff. Dealing with Jerry Jones, what is he
trying to say when he says that.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
I don't really know what purpose is served by insulting
the owner and making himself look bad by association. I mean,
if Jerry really doesn't know the name of the agent
who's done some of the most historic contracts in the
NFL and represents one of the three best players on
your roster, Like, doesn't that indict him as a general
manager not to know the identity of that person. Look,
(03:17):
I think it's fine that Jerry, you know, has a
relationship with his players as superstars. He always has. It's
fine that he has him in and talks contracts with him.
But there's no reason to diss a prominent agent that
you're going to have to do business with at the
end of the day. And I mean, obviously it was
such an issue that Mike had decided to go public
(03:39):
with an endorsement of his agent and say, there's not
going to be any backdoor deals. I hired this guy
because he's an expert, and I plan on using his
expertise to my benefit.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
The only thing I thought right away was, well, that's
gonna cost you another million or two. And the next
thing is, can't you just see is Mike sayin that contray, Uh,
mugga led of saying.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
What's my name? What's my name? What's my name?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I'll leave? Can't you see that?
Speaker 6 (04:08):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I mean I thought it was ridiculous. Man.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
He's one of the best agents in the game right now.
I mean, you know, hands down with the deals that
he's getting his guys. Uh, he always wins, and to
go out of your way to antagonize him just seems
bad business to me.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
You don't know the guy who signed to Shaun Watching
to the only fully guaranteed contract owners together.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Let's not do this is never happening again.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Just signed Antoine Winfield to the highest paid contract for
a safety. I signed Derek Stingley and the Texans this
offseason to the highest contract for a corner.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
He's he's that guy right now, and so clearly you
know who he is.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You're just messing with him man for no good reason.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Again, but you've already You've already done a contract with
Michael Parsons. You're trying to say, Steven did it and
the cap guy did it without nothing. I just and
I asked that question because ed famous. So you go
back to the whole whole. Hey, anyone of five hundred
coaches could do that. He gave you that quote when
(05:13):
he was done with Jimmy. But I'm just trying, what's
that day when he hits you at that There was
a purpose where he was going, and so that was
my thoughts. I I gotta ask and tell me the purpose.
Ya tell me the purpose of going there at all.
There is one other thing you known. Everybody knows. We
get old, you feel like you say whatever you want
to say.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
I think Jerry's just why everybody the grandmama talk about
your baby.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Look at you.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You need just little some weight.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Your fat because they could say what they want to say.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I don't worry about your feelings.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Jerry's eighty some years old, he's at this stage now.
He said what he wanted to He don't care about
your philings.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Jerry's always loved for people to know that he has
a great relationship, a fatherly type of relationship with the
best players in the history of the franchise since he
became the owner. I think the thing that got missed
in all of this, and to me, which was the
bigger news because of Jerry sliding David Mulligetta the way
(06:07):
he did, was Jerry saying, I'm gonna hold off on
this deal. I mean, there's no sense of urgency here
because I want to see if you're going to demonstrate
to me the kind of leadership I want if I'm
going to pay you what you're asking, which means to
me that they're not totally enchanted with what they've seen
(06:30):
from Michael Parsons as a leader to this point. And
there's clearly a leadership void on the defensive side of
the ball at the start of this season, and Mike
has always viewed himself as a leader. I'm not sure
everybody in the locker room viewed him that way.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Huh yeah, right.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I asked this question of clans a couple of weeks ago.
Maybe I talked with you guys. Where the Cowboys happy
that Mike is going to be their defensive leader?
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You know? My man child? Right this?
Speaker 5 (06:59):
It doesn't matter he's I said, well, it does matter
if they want him to be. And I always say,
like t O was a leader, you're not happy he's
a leader. You wish he were not a leader because.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
He leaves he split the team.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah yeah, watching Sam Herd of Roy Williams follow following
too is not a good thing.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Right, So it matters who leadership is.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
And so I ask you you think the Cowboys are
happy that right now he's in a leadership role and
there's really nobody to challenge him for that position.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
I would say there's concerned about it. Given what Jerry
said yesterday. My willingness to make you the highest paid
non quarterback in football and to give you the salary
that we've talked about in my office multiple times for
five or six hours. The reason I gave you the
privilege of having my cell phone number is because I
want you to be this sort of player if I'm
(07:47):
going to invest at that level, So to me, they
are not content with it.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
They do.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
I mean, there are definitely people in this organization still,
not just DeMarcus Lawrence who left or Jordan Lewis who
question motiv Micah's motivation, right, I mean, there are people
who still think he doesn't want to play within the scheme,
that he just wants to get glory and rush the
passer and accumulate sacks, and that he's never going to
(08:12):
be a team first player, that he needs to be
more like Dak like. I think that's what Jerry wants.
I think Jerry wants to see Micah be the Dak
Prescott of defense. And that means and that means, you
come even when you're not happy with your contract, You come,
even you come to training camp in the offseason, even
when we haven't paid you what you think you're worth.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And that's the that's the situation he's in.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
He's gonna be on the fifth year, final year of
his rookie contract. He wants a lucrative, long term deal,
and Jerry's basically saying, I want to see you at
mini camp. I want to see you at training camp
even though you're not signed.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Now, you know the problem with that is two things.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Number One, quarterbacks don't have to act the fool because
ultimately quarterbacks always get their money.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
And two, dek is an outlier leader.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
So I mean, it's at one level, it's ridiculous to
think that, you know, he's one. If Jerry says he's
one of the best leaders I've ever seen on the Cowboys,
why you expect Michael to be that.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
But he he demonstrates what good leadership is. Mike a
sees it all the time.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Oh, I think I think it's more than that.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I think he just I think that demonstrates what you know,
the one percent of leadership is right.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
But if you have that kind of example in your
locker room, isn't it hard not to emulate that?
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Yeah, because it's he's an outlier, you know what I'm saying,
Like his leadership skills are an outlier. He does stuff
he does. He has leadership that's natural in the sense
of I just do this because I think that's what
And I always go back to the point when he
was a rookie and I saw him going around passing
out candy to the offensive lineman and everybody.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Hey, just a little back, Hey, you want.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Something to do?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And he used to keep a bag in his locker.
I mean it's candy.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
It doesn't really mean anything except that it does, like
look at that, all right, And it's just an for him.
I think leadership is innate for Michaeh and a lot
of players is not in eight because Michael may be
like a lot of guys. I want all the money,
I want audio wards, but I don't want none of responsibility.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I just want to be worried about me.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
I will say this in defense of Micah. At the
end of the year, I thought he did begin to
show some genuine leadership in his comments about his contract,
which is, I don't need to make forty million. I
don't need to be the highest paid non quarterback or
the highest paid defensive player. I want guys around me
to get paid. I want to keep this group together
(10:34):
so I can perform and we can win games. Like
that is what you want him to say. And so
I think he's moving in the right direction. But I
just know since he's been here, there's always been this
schism on the defensive side of the ball. With him
in the locker room to the point that I don't
know if you felt this way, but as a media person,
I was always like, when you're listening to Micah, when
you're walking away from another way, if Jordan Lewis is
(10:56):
talking to you, you walk away from, or if DeMarcus Lawris
is talking you walk away from because Mike is available,
They're watching that and what judgments are they making about
us based on who we're listening to.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
So I likeing this a little bit when you talk
about the leadership situation and the player to someone that
I covered when they first came up, which is Kobe Bryant,
who Michaeh Parsons.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Likes, quotes them all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yes, Michael Micah's guy. Spent his first four years really
in his own self. Kobe was not a leader.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Kobe was was seventeen, and he talked about it because
he he mimicked a lot of things, as Jordan said,
but but he just wasn't.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
And Kobe, obviously, with a twenty year career, he grew
into it. And I bring this up as you guys
be former beat writers, some of this stuff does take
some time. Here's Dak Prescott, you know, played played a
lot of football at Mississippi State, and my gosh, we
know what the backs story of what he's gone through.
And and MICA's a little different, you know, coming out
(12:04):
of Penn State. Remember the whole little issue about the
locker room hazing thing and stuff going on to Pencil.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Certain guys gotta grow a little bit. I think sometimes
we can forget.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I mean, these guys are twenty something year old dudes.
I mean DeMarcus Lawrence grew into a leader.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I mean he didn't say boo his first two years
and then and then he evolved in the one but
he didn't mind.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
To me, he didn't mind the responsibility that came with it.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Like responsibility is basic, just like the quarterback when you
get your butt handed to you, you stand there, take
the questions. You don't dip and be like I'll see
you guys, or you don't give short one word answers
and be gone in thirty seconds.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
You don't question the work ethics of the head coach
who's already under fire.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Yeah that too, and so he can certainly evolve into
a leader. And now I do believe agree one hundred
percent with it's about Yeah, you know, and as parents
we all do it. I was telling the story the
other day about one of the worst. Let me see,
I think we should use tongue lashings. My son ever
received was he was supposed to do something. He was
about twelve, and he said, well, I didn't feel like it,
(13:08):
so I didn't. And he got the whole list of
things I do that I don't feel like doing as
a parent. And so for Micah, you get the money, Doug, yeah,
you gotta do a bunch of stuff you don't feel
like doing. What you become one of the faces of
the franchise. So yeah, you got to show up at OTA.
That's voluntary even though you don't want to, because that's
what leadership is, That's what being the highest paid player
(13:28):
is all about.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
So if that is the underlying thing that Jerry's possibly saying,
I thought he flat out shut it, then how and
maybe he said it to him? But how do you
get that? Is this Jerry? Is it Shottenheimer's something? How
do people get it?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
To get just say, hey, dog, we need to see
whatever the voluntary, we need to see you at all
the offseason workouts, and we need to see you here
early and being you know, the last one off the field.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You know, this is what it comes with. Jason ging said,
this comes with the meal. You want to be the
highest non paid, you know, non quarterback in the league.
This is what week's OTAs you're here, you're leading setting
the example, not OTA's last year where you flew in
because NBC was doing Sunday night promos.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
He gifted, came in there. Look they waiting on Sunday night.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And then he batsta, No, you're there early. You show
up in the meeting rooms.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
You there as you know before the meeting stuff, just
the normal stuff that leaders do.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You send it at the tone.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
It's important because of all of the personnel they've lost
over the last two seasons and the fact that there's
no consistency on the coaching staff on the defensive side
of the ball. This is a third defensive coordinator in
three years. So you need him to create that stability
and be that consistent voice on the defensive side of
the ball. And I think that's what Jerry wants. That's
what Jerry says he wants. I think Jerry's gonna have
(14:55):
to pay him either way. Sure, sure, but I think
this is but it's it's a chance for them to
make that a point of emphasis.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
And that was my next thing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
This is the time to go ahead and set the
parameters of what it is you want, right. We want
you here, We want to give you this record breaking contract.
But on the other side, this is what we say
it comes with.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
You know the other thing I mentioned that you talked
about evolving as a leader and as a young player.
I think that's certainly possible. And like I said, there
been indications late in the season with how he framed
his desire about the contract and what his priorities were
in that regard that he did show some leadership. I
think he showed even more leadership when he came back
(15:36):
from that sprained ankle and play the way he did.
I mean he missed four games. Other players went down
with different injuries and never came back or took far
longer than the team expected to come back from injuries,
and Mica seemed like he really applied himself to get
back as soon as possible, even though the season wasn't
going the way the Cowboys expected it to go and
there really wasn't much to play for.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
By the time he was healthy again.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
He wanted his ten digits wanted that, which you know, hey,
look that helps the team with That's the old Pete
Rose things when somebody said, all Pete Rose cares about
is hitting three hundred, get two hundred hits and you know,
scoring one hundred runs and guys like at some point
in time, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
That's my help?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Don't you think I'm gonna help their heads?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
If you know, yeah, Pete self is his heck, but boy,
that's what Pete cares about.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
That's somewhere along the line, is gonna help you.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
So if Michael Parsons, hey I need my double sex
and he's coming back to play, I just still think,
and this is just my opinion.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I just still think this is a part of growing up.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And everyone does it in their own times, but we
we sometimes, especially I say, your older fan base. You know,
you got guys who have kids in their thirty You
should be like that. Ain't that way, man? You'd like
it to be, But it's not always that way. But
clearly you have a player that's really good. You don't
get many players like Michael Parsons on your team.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
And they've done things almost nobody has done in this
short space of time early in your career.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
I mean, nobody's disputing he's a great player. And because
he's a great player, you want.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
More, and that's where you know, you have to harness
that thing.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And I was I was lucky enough that I was
there when Phil Jackson got to the Lakers after the
del Harris was the head coach and Kurt rams to
the interim and then here comes Phil, and Phil was
able to connect with Kobe and get what he needed
out of Kobe.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
To make him a champion.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
And we'll see if Brian Schottenheimer come back from the
break talking about this.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
We talked about his relationships with people.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
You know this, Brian was a great player who couldn't
give you that leadership never evolved into It was always
something about me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
But he's a position.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
He is a great player, but Michael Levin.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Put him at odds with the quarterback and the tight
end here.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
But Michael Levian was a great player, and it was
all about me. But it was all about the team
and me. No, it was about me and the team.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I think where Michael came from the U that program
helping win its win the national championship, and and also
Michael being people forget Michael graduated from the University of Miami.
Michael was, Michael was a Michael is a smart guy.
You know, people, He's just not some jock. Michael's a
smart guy. Got a business administration degree.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
So and he was here before Troy and Michael and
or before Troy name it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, yeah, so got got here in eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I think they're same number of different players, different people,
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Brian Schottthheimer. So, Brian Schottenheimer, first time head coach out there,
you know in.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Florida for the national media.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, yeah, Shot, he's a shot. He's a likable I
tell people, you know, cowboy fans. I was in Alabama
during the NCAA term. People asking about cowboy fans. I
ask him about I said, Shotty is a guy you
would like you meet Shot, Brian Schottenheimer, you would like him.
He's a likable guy, right, But there's just a lot
of unknowns. It's a lot of unknowns. And yes, Marty
Schottenheimer was his father, and some people look at that
(21:29):
as pluses and some people look at the minus as
a Marty personally. I think Marty's a Hall of Fame
head coach. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
But we will see if he's allowed to do what
he does.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And he's big on relationships, And that's when I kind
of go back into Michael Parsons. What type of relationship
can Schottenheimer have and needs to build, especially.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Because he's an offensive guy. Mike is a defensive guy.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Well, the challenge for him, first of all is to
prove he's capable of being a head coach for the
first time and pairing a full team and you know,
making adjustments during the game and at the same time
calling plays on offense for the first time with a Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
He's never done that here before. He done it other places.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
But yeah, I think he's a guy who will and
does prioritize relationships and the importance of that in team building.
I mean, he talked about going to all these pro
days recently and how his part of that is evaluating,
you know, these these players, these prospects as people and
how they're going to fit into your system and what
(22:32):
you can expect from them and that sort of thing.
So I think he'll be good at that part of it,
and I think he'll do the same thing on the
defensive part of it. Like I've always been impressed from
all the time he's been here as an assistant, you know,
every Monday, when he comes out and speaks to us
about the offense, I thought he's always been very engaging
and very detailed in his explanations. He knows how to
(22:53):
give the media what the media wants in a way
that some head coaches here have not.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
In the past, and I think it's been.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Detrimental to the overall. So I think he'll be great
at that part of it, but he's got to prove
that he can handle a whole team and manage a game.
And you know that's that's more difficult. Some of those
things are more difficult with the Cowboys than in other
places because of the unique dynamics in play with this
organization and the way it's structured and operates well.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
I think I think creating relationships with players and coaches
is an underrated thing. Like if you see what Dan
Campbell has done in Detroit, He's created relationships with his
players and they give it back to him by playing
as a certain level. But I also think on an
individual level, if you have if guys know not just
that you care about them, but that you actually know
(23:38):
something about them, their wives name, the kids name, they
just play harder for you. It's like anything else. When
you feel appreciated by your boss. It's not that you say, hey,
I'm gonna go do this. You just go, huh, you
know this will make new happy. I'm finna go do
this today. I'm gonna give a little bit more, a
little bit extra because he teats me right, I want.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
To make him look good. All those little things come
into play. You know.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Even as a columnist over the years, one of my
big things has always been.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
We forget that athletes are humans. Like they're like people.
They're like like seriously, they're like people.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Like people.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
They got the same most people, you know what I mean, Like,
they got the same emotions you got. They get mad,
they get happy, they get sad, they get irritated, aggravated,
and they got their wife is driving them crazy at
the crib because they didn't do something they mama's still
asking them for.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I mean, they got these real life issues.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
And if you can buy into that and get to
get to really know them and understand. Now that don't
mean you can't perform at work, but I understand you
may have this going on, so blase blase, you can
get the most out of them, and uh, you know,
to me, Schottenheimer off the Rip seems to be that
kind of coach, and Parcels was like.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
That in a way.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Even though he's grough with the media, he was like
that with players. He knew everything was going on with them,
and so you can have success like that. They still
got to perform, but it gives you a chance.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
And I think he's got relationships with the offensive side
of the ball and a strong relationship with the key
players on that side.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
You know, you got to be intentional about it too.
It's not it doesn't have to be like some happenstance.
You have to be intentional about creating these relationships.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
But he talks about how he's here all the time,
and he you know, spends a lot of time walking
the hallways and going to the locker room, going to
the weight room, and engaging players in those capacities, which
I think is a good thing too.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, so stay with me here on that, and let's
go back into Jason Garrett because I remember he had
the relationship and we saw it publicly with Tony Romo,
Jason Witt and Marco Murray.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I'll show up at Duke.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I thought that was dumb and there's too much of
a relationship.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Boys see him in other events and Mavericks games.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
No, you can't do socialized.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
With socialized with a group, but you can't be socialized
with a couple of players.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yes, that's that's terrible, And.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
I I heard from some differ still to this day,
from some defensive players you should be bringing.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Up, man, when some of those players are the same
ones who are doing the same thing with the owner,
that causes even more problems.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, yeah, it can't be like that.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
Man.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
It's as a coach, you know, you just have to understand, man,
you're not boys, You're not friends, because at some points
you got to make a hard decase. You know, either
I got to cut you out or I gotta bench you,
or I gotta cut you.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
And we can't do that if we boys. No, Garrett
didn't do it with Dak Prescott and Tonomo. He did
do that that part of it. I give him credit
for that.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
How many rings did that produce over ten years, Championship games?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Anything?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Hey man, there's a lot of reasons for that. He's
one of many coaches.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
And I think, like I said before, I think Schottenheimer
knows how to win the press conference on a regular
basis that gives you a break, and that was Jason
was never interested in that for some reason, like he
would be the way he was, and I think a
lot of fans were put off by him because he yeah,
he was.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
He was condescending in that. Well, we know things that
you don't know.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
You don't know football well enough to judge just no
matter what that you just watched bad football for three hours.
You know, who are you to We know what the
reality is and you.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Don't because you're not a part of it.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
And then he would step off to the side and
he would be great right off camera. He was great,
and he never used that to his advantage. And I'm
still be I still ask Babel Offenberg why he didn't
do that, Like he saw Aikman developed relationships with people
in the media and Michael and how that benefited them.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Why didn't he want that kind of benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
That's an interesting point, like you don't have to develop
you don't have to be like that with everybody.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
You could pick and choose who you want to be
that with.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
You know, some guys say, okay, they show up in
time to go, hey, they talked to the PR person,
who's the most powerful colnist in town. Okay, that's my
new boy. Or who's the biggest TV personality parcel part Okay,
that's my new boy. He's a filing galloway. And then
I Rick Carlo got hired by the Mavericks. I was
working over now ESPO one of three three, and Carlile
(28:07):
was supposed to be on I was filling in for
the Galloway show, bring me and Brian Estrich and Carlile
gets on the phone.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Think his Galloway was he was.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Mad, I can't talk to the big dug call talking dudes,
but that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
We were like, sorry, Randy's off, Well let him know, but.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Tell me when Randy's on, I'll be on them.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
But Carlile just like he understood, what who are the
power brokers?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Who I need to talk to?
Speaker 6 (28:32):
It It was a decision Jason clearly made because you're
look at him in the media now he's great, right,
he's great again.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
He could have been that as the head coach. He
chose not to be for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
So part of me wonders, wasn't that sabing factor for
him at all? Where you know you're around Nick and
Miami and Saban's got the lanctern and does all that.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
But it could be. But you gotta have some self awayess, man.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
You ain't Nick, right, Nick?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Nick had out of the National Championships.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Could you could ask how you want to you Bill Parcells,
you got super bowls. You've been a chain, you can
ask how you want to act.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
But we saw that too with belichick assistance when bad
Patrici was in Detroit. You know, guys were turned off
by him.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
So all them cats were like that man except Kingsbury.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Kingsbury and every day asked him one time, He's like,
you gotta win. At least Cliff was self aware that
I can't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
O'Connell's not like that. Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Kevin O'Connor, good boy.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I two guys I was really wrong on It's Kevin O'Connell,
Dan camp I thought both like like this this and
I have been been drastically wrong and both guys.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
That's how Campbell would work man, just because he had
been long time assistants with guys who know how to
get it done. He's off the party and he had,
but he didn't have that arrogance about it. I mean,
he had the right personality with guys who got it done.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
He just sounded so much at first, like you know,
like goober, it sounded like one of these guys are
cutting the wrestling gromo.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
You gotta pint. You just watched next week a Summer Slam.
We're gonna be biting off.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah yeah, Now, Q would be hell on a elass.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Would that last for a long time or would that
be like the four and out program, five and out program.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
I mean, one thing we do know this, he changed
the culture in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
The general manager Brad Holmes, he's got some sensational talent.
And whatever they're doing there, the GM and the head
coach know what they want. They're getting those kinds of players.
Those players have bought in, and that looks like a
team is going to be a contender here for the
next three to four years.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
They haven't taken advantage of great opportunities they've created for
themselves the last two years. Either they were the number
one seed, they lost the first game at home to
a wild card Washington team with a rookie quarterback. And
now Dan Campbell's lost his two coordinators to head coaching
positions in the NFL, so that's a new challenge for him.
But sorry, Schottenheimer goes. I think the other things that
impressed me that he talked about at the owners meetings
(30:51):
were the importance of, you know, developing a meritocracy here
that you were in your playing time, that it's competitive
every day in practice, which I think comes from Pete
Pete Carroll. That's the way he was in Seattle when
he created those super Bowl teams up there. I think
I think that rubbed off and impressed Schottenheimer, and he'll
implement that here. He also talked about how, in his mind,
(31:14):
you build teams from the outside in yes, which was
kind of an interesting It.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Is, but isn't that Well, he's not wrong in that
if you.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
The highest bag receiver on the perimeter, why because you
score touchdowns on the perimeter or na either you score
touchdowns on the perimeter or you prevent touchdowns from being scored.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Game changing plays are made by those players.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, so that makes sense.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
But then at the same time he talks about the
need to dominate the line of scrimmage, you know, if
you're gonna win in this division, and that's going to
be you know, part of our purpose and our mantra
is going to be that. So I'm not sure how
compatible those things are when you're trying to make the
right decisions in a draft where you have limited opportunities
to to draft players. But if he truly believes in
(31:56):
the outside in thing, it would seem to suggest that
they would emphasize a wide receiver, a corner and edge
rusher with at least their first pick.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Let's dive into that specifically, the wide receiver position will
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Speaker 2 (34:16):
Back to Media Mash. Here we are Media Mash final
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make any guarantees, but everyone's had ample time to talk
and not get stepped on.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
And that's been really fun so far in the show.
Just just saying, you're.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Not saying that never happens when he's here. It just
didn't happen today.
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It just didn't happen today.
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Coincidentally, Clarence is not here.
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Figureverybody got the really really really we're really doing it?
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Speaker 3 (34:55):
All right? Wide receiver, get one for more.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I heard Mingo talk again during this owners Mingo's name
was brought up as though as though they were expecting
to think.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
He's the first pick of the draft for them. They've
already got him on the roster.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
The thing about Mingo is they traded a fourth round
pick for Mingo. Okay, and then I think it was
Stephen who said, yeah, we're looking for an explosive number two.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
What you trade for that dude for them?
Speaker 10 (35:25):
Man?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
If he's not that guy.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
If he's not that, what you what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
So?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
All right, this is how I I'm glad you bringed that,
because this is just how I'm thinking. So by you
saying that means if Tech mc millan's there twelve, you'll
probably pass on him and you probably go for the
kid Golding from Texas because you want some speed.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Are we just telegraphing what we want to do?
Speaker 5 (35:49):
That kind of sounds like it knowing the cowboys? But
that being said, I mean, I'm good with either one
of them. It's it's what cause say, it's a flavor
of ice cream, whatever you like.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
I wonder how many receivers there are that they think
are worth the twelfth pick.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
In the draft.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
That's a great question because in most years there's like sixteen,
eighteen first round picks. This is being kind of like
a bad draft from that perspective, So maybe there's only
twelve or fourteen true first round picks. And I wonder,
I'm with you, I wonder which receivers are first round picks.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
On the board.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Well, it's interesting, there don't seem to be a lot
of receivers who if people view or rate as first
round picks. But at the combine, ten receivers ran the
forty in four to four or less, which is the
most at any combine since two thousand and three. So
there's some speed at the position, and that's what I
think the Cowboys prioritize here rather than the size of
(36:49):
the player. Now, McMillan is a is an acrobatic player.
He's got an incredible catch radius, scores touchdowns, doesn't create
a lot of separation, doesn't necessarily have great speed. I
think he timed pretty well. I think he timed in
four or five something for his size.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It's not bad.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
You want the guy who can create the most big
plays for you, is.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
That golden Golden ran four two nine and consistently creates separation.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
But he's not as big. He's not a.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
How big is he is? He six something?
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Yeah, I think he's sick something that'll take it. And
then you got the Ohio State guy.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
But he's not a he's my boy.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
He's six one two oh two.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
But he's not a big play guy. He's not a twelve.
He's not twelve. No, he's not. He's not.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
He's not creating separation for him. I mean, he's a
really good route runner. But he's I don't view him
as a guy in the league. He's gonna make a
bunch of big plays, so he's gonna be really good.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And that not like that.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Golden makes a lot of twenty yard plays.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
That's the and he may make more if if he's
got seed getting double covered on the other side and
he's got one on one.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
But I think I think that is a justifiable priority
for this team going into the draft. As much as
they talk about they need a running back, which they do,
there's depth of that position. I think unquestionably that they
can get good players later. Now if Gent falls there,
I think you got to take him. I mean, he
seems like he's a one of the five or five
to seven total blue chip players in this draft.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
It's a deal man. I've said as many times. I'm
gonna say it one more time. Cavan Turpin cannot be
your second best offensive player, your most you know, your
big play guy. He just can't. He needs to be
like your fourth or your fifth guy. Right then you
got something going so we all or or we all
cover the game enough.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
When when Al Davis is around with when they believe
speed kills, Al was about that speed. That was his
thing here and we've seen Andy Reid really go with
it at Kansas City and having Tyreek Hill. They moved
out Tyreek Hill. And now last year they used the
first round pick. You're worthy from shape Rice, right, so
he's looking.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
For that speed there.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And when you got an all pro receiver in Ceedee Lamb. Yes,
here's a different one. They tried it with Brandon Cooks.
They could not get it happy name. Part of it
was health and just discot with a bad scheme.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
But you know with with and I've just used Golden's name.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
If you're talking about that and listening to what they
said in terms of okay, you think, well, we got
big body Mingo, we got CD Lamb.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
And here's a third guy. We've got three different types
of Jalen Tolbert.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
He's a bigger guy right at receiver.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
And Tolbert has flashed a little bit, not it, not consistently,
but he's enough.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
To be a two level. No, he was going to
be a two you'd know that by now.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
No, but he's shown enough that Okay, now he can
make a play for you on a given day.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Give me what Michael Gallap was when he had when
he was you know, you.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Kill if he was Michael Gallup. Michael Gallip was a
good player, right, Gilbert is solid. He ain't good yet.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
If you have a McMillan.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
I mean, it's surprising to me how many times, given
how they view and value Dak Prescott, how many times
they've shortened him at receiver in the course of his career.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
They've really only had the one year where they where
they where they had had Cooper c D and a
productive Gallop, right, and that I think.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
They did pretty well at you.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
They won the division that year. That's me and a
playoff game.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
So just this conversation right here, receiver at twelve, running
back and round two.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Sure if the right ones there, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Actually, I would say depends on the corner situation. If
I get a corner in two and there's a running
back in three, I might go that wrap. If there's
not a worthy corner, then yeah, I'll go take the running.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Back in two.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
They've got options, and just in talking in terms of
just received.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Let's you know, get trade options if needs.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
And like both both yes, and I still wonder if
if a trade down doesn't come into play, to try
to because you've lost the four if you trade down
to try to recoup it.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Work well last year for him they moved down. Somebody
wants to come a starting center out of the deal.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, So so I just I just wonder. We saw
it with with the Michael Parsons, we saw with Roy Williams.
So it's not something that Jerry won't do. But but I.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Could see them trading done because now, obviously in the draft,
like the should go well really, but you also go
there at twelve and if there's fourteen first round picks
and one of the you know, both quarterbacks go, maybe
somebody like Jackson Dart who's not kind of in that
group that you think goes some player that somebody covets
could drop and be like, oh, I didn't know he's
(41:30):
gonna be there, Let's go get him. So I could
see them having a couple opportunities to move down.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Look, it's gonna be interesting, guys, it's gonna be very interesting.
Draft is coming here, and Michael Parsons caught get it done.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Just not getting good done, just get Eventually it'll get done.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
You know, as Mama Wa was said, it's too much
like doing right.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
It's July. It's gonna be a July thing. Things to
do in.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
July, Okay, And so then he's not here for Ota.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
No, he'll be here because he wants to get that contract.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
And but what he wants to see but he ain't
gonna be working out.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Why not?
Speaker 6 (42:02):
He's under contract, Eba flu would love to see Jerry.
That's Jerry's thinking. Jerry always says there's no urgency. There's
no urgency in his mind if the player has a
contract for the upcoming season.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
That's the way he sees it.
Speaker 6 (42:16):
He says that about every one of these guys that
is under contract for the next season, there's no urgency.
I got him under contract. Same thing with McCarthy Letcher.
Why do I need to worry? I got him under contract.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
That worked out. Interesting way to do business.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
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Chris Beam, Jazz Josh, everybody here at Dallascowboys dot Com.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
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