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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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family got Nick Harris the Football Star Telegram. Here the
Denver Broncos against the Cowboys. Cowboys have beating up since
nineteen ninety five. Were you gentlemen born?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I was.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I was uh oop and diapers? No, no, no, no,
I was not that young. I was six years old.
I am thirty six.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Like I said, he was poop and diapers.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Come on, stop that. No, I was, uh yeah, that was.
That was actually the first year I was following the
NFL as a child.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Okay, you're born in eighty nine. I have a wild
stat for you in the break.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh great eighty nine. What June eighty nine? What day
June fifteenth?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Dude, I graduated high school June night. That's great.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
And then six days later I came into the world.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Days later, there is a star in the.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
East, my child, my life began as your adulthood began.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
How about that? How about that? Okay, so there we go.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I have a stat for you. If I could hit
me and the last three games, Jalen Tolbert has three receptions,
Hunter Olypias four. We can continue the show.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's why one has a contract extension, any other does not.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
How many penalties exactly?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
And Tolbert it gets a holding penalty about once a
game too.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
She's working with Sam Williams. They trying to out.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Do each Oh man, look, I just had a very
spirited debate in the media workroom about an hour ago.
Some guys are like, why would you trade Tolbert? I
would trade Tolbert. You're losing the value every day now.
I think it's gone.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So this yesterday a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
We did it yesterday. Also we did on the players line.
So we've been taking your work and using the segments here.
And I brought up Mingo, Jonathan Mingo, He's going to
be up here and by trade, because okay, if Mingo
comes back, who's gonna sit out of the receiver room.
You know who's gonna who's who's gonna be wearing this
salute to Service shirt on Sunday in Denver looking good.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, if you're gonna have to sit, this is
the one to sit for, because you've got the good gear.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But if you trade Tolbert, as Nick has been saying here,
then Mingo can get on the field. Plus, you know
you're most likely not bringing Tolbert back, but you do
have Mingo under contract next year, So that's what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, and you don't you don't know totally what Mingo is.
You feel like you know exactly who Tolbert is.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, Yeah, And so there you go.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
And then of course I also put out there you
were saying, move Tolbert, a wide receiver that the cat
led the Cowboys and touchdowns last year, to get yourself
a linebacker some help here.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And look like we were talking about yesterday, there's it's
not even a question of, man, I just want to
get Jayalen Tolivert off the roster. It's more a question of, like,
I just need to clean up some of this log
jam at receiver, and he's the one that makes the
most sense giving contract status, given you know where he's
at in his career, where the Cowboys are at. And
(03:24):
like I said, if you want to talk about a
team that may look at a guy on your roster
and go fifty catches, seven hundred yards last year, seven touchdowns,
we could use that. There's some wide receiver starf teams
that would say we could use that.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
In your defense.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
If you can add some pieces to your defense here,
then you need to.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Look at it because you need help.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
You Still, even though they're telling us people are on
the way, I still think what Nick said makes a
lot of sense. If you could possibly find a team
that needs some help at wide receiver and they can
possibly get you a linebacker, maybe a safety type player,
then you should you should you look into it.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I'm curious how y'all feel about the because everybody, it
seemed like, felt pretty similar. They did not want the
the Mica trade to occur within the division. There are
a lot of people who didn't even want it to
occur within the conference. That doesn't stretch down to all
your other trades, right Like if you find if you
found a trade partner for Jaylen Tilbert, you wouldn't feel like, well,
I can't get burned by potentially trading that's somebody in
the division or in the conference. You would just say, no,
(04:19):
everybody's on limits. That's only for guys that we're we're
certain it would hurt us.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Yeah, like giants, look if they if they want them
come on.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Your defense? Is that bad?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
It doesn't matter. You got you got to help your defense.
That's that's just how I see it and view it.
At the end of the day, what can you do
to try to help your defense and not bankrupt yourself
out of your picks. You already know how I feel
about these number one picks. To me, they're untouchable. No no, no,
no touch when we will second got ahead, but not
at first, not an effort. They're too valuable, and the
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value of them is going to be when we're talking
about April. The value of them now is just to me,
it's it's not as much became April. These things matter.
It's five year contracts. You're most likely talk about putting
these picks towards defense, So five year contracts control. As
you're paying offensive players here, you're gonna have to do
something defensively. Get some younger talent, grow it up.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Here.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I think they should resign George Pickens. I think they
should resign Brandon Aubrey. Both guys are going to be
top of the market.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Contract if you resigned Pickens, because what you lost your
third for next April, that's the one that wins Pickens yep.
And then you've got seven, that's right, seven picks in
the top one hundred probably over the next two years.
If you're gonna invest that money in George Pickens, you
probably need to throw six of the seven at your
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defense right now, just because the young talent that you've
invested in and locked in here, it's all on offense.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You do the dan Quinn draft.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
When they brought Dan Quinn here as a defensive coordinator,
they went heavy on defense.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
How can we help him?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And it worked And in year two they went through
and got the right tackle.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So it worked, and I go back to method.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You guys weren't around, but back in the day, the
forty nine ers had a really bad defense. They were
two and fourteen and two and fourteen under Bill Walsh.
He knew he had an issue defensively. Through a bunch
of picks a draft and defense, Eric Wright, Ronnie lott
I want to say maybe it was Williamson. But anyway,
these guys that they spent money on the defense, draft
(06:20):
picks on defense, they became a corner of a team
that won Super Bowl sixteen and Super Bowl nineteen on
their way to being a team of the eighties. So
you can strategize and say, look, we need help here,
identify it.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I trust Will McLay and go to the draft and do.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
The work here, come to April to fix your to
really help your fix your defense. I just don't believe
in this whole thing now that they're talking about Jerry
using a one of these ones to go improve this
defense here. And I know you talked to Jerry yesterday.
I want to five three to the fan on his
radio show.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, look, I think the general thought is correct about
where they're at in terms of their roster construction, that
it would make a lot of sense because again, if
you're going to resign pickings, you need deep, young, controllable
talent on defense, because there's not a whole lot of
investment you can make in terms of going to get
a veteran, whether it be through trader free agency, that's
(07:09):
going to make real impact here. So it is sort
of like the like you ever go to like the carnivals,
and they have like those games where it's like you
got the little little clowns set up at the end,
you got the balls and you're just trying to throw
them and knock them down or whatever, and you just
pick up all of them. You just start throwing at
it like I'm gonna hit some of them. I'm gonna
knock down some of these. And that's how it kind
of feels like with the defense, where it's like just
throw everything at the defense. Some of them will hit
(07:31):
to just find who's my top right of defensive player
on the board, Go let me do that. And I
think that that'll be a strategy that's not universal. It's
not gonna one hundredercent, but I would bet it's going
to be pretty close to how they end up approaching
the draft for the next few years. Because Jerry, like
you said, talking yesterday, was talking about that again they're
open for business. Didn't sound like he was talking very
(07:54):
much about them being proactive and reaching out. But I
think you could reed from his answer a little bit
that maybe he's feeling a little more proactive and he
just doesn't want to he doesn't want to tip too
much right now. So I think that they're they're gonna
be in the market. They're going to be in the
market looking for deals on the defensive side of the ball,
guys that either are cheap, controllable talent, or maybe in
(08:16):
some instances they may be on the look for. Find
me in expiring, Go find me somebody who is expiring,
and let me let me just see if I can capitalize.
I'll give up a pick and try to just capitalize
on who that player is right now in the name
of getting close, because this is a very vulnerable NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
All right, let's get our first break in here when
we come back, a return to practice for a player
that was met with joy amongst his teammates. We'll talk
about what was said in the locker room today with
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and to Marian Overshown has always been a high energy guy.
He spoke to the media today. But you saw the
joy and gratitude and faith on display about his return.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Nick, Yeah, absolutely, And he's always been one that attributes
his journeys in his path and to you know, whatever
God has laid out for him. And he continued that
rhetoric today and always gott a smile on his face.
And that was something that was very evident of him
early on, even before he suffered his first injury, he said,
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(11:53):
Over the last three hundred and seventeen days I've been injured,
I've been blessed to have a kid and be engaged.
I didn't lose any sleep. I woke up every day smile.
And you know it was less than a week after
he had suffered that injury last year against the Bengals,
he was doing a charity event for single mothers for
handing out Christmas gifts out in East Texas and Tyler
I drove out there and you know, wanted to catch
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up with him, and man, he's he's not bluffing, he's
not lying. He was smiling that day. He's been smiling
every day since. And so it's it's cool to see
good people win, and you can, I think we could
all safely say he's one of the good people.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
It's cool to see good people win. And it sucked
to watch him go down last year with that injury
because everybody, I think knew how hard he had worked
to get back the previous time. He was a guy
who people around the organization would just rave about the
way he attacked the rehab process the last time, where
(12:47):
it was him, David Durden and John Stevens. I think
that we're all in the same rehab groups together during
the off season there. But yeah, but they had said that,
you know, it's really easy when guys get injured like
that to feel isolated and they're cut away from team,
and that overshown. He basically just approached those guys very
early on and said, this is our position group. Okay,
like this is our group. This is this is not
(13:08):
a time to slok. Where we're gonna work like they work,
and we're gonna hold each other accountable like they hold
each other accountable. And that's what we're here to do.
And that I remember Overshowing sat with us in training
camp and said that, he said, yeah, I mean, and
through that, like I became really close. He's like those
guys like ended up in my wedding or like he
ended up in their wedding or something like that, and
so he was He's It showed them a lot about
the leadership traits. I think they thought they had in him,
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and then they learned a lot about him during that
last rehab process and then for him to get the
injury he did last year, I think a lot of
people in the organization not only just for what they
were losing on the football field, but they hurt for
the work he had put in and everything that he'd done.
It's like, why why is this going to happen to
something like Kim and and he ended up this time
around you hear again a lot of glowing praise for
this is a dude who just did not drop his head.
(13:52):
He kept his head up the whole time, and he
worked and he attacked it and and now he's in
a position to contribute sooner than I think a lot
of people thought he would.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So Da Marian over showed saying.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
November seventeen is when he's looking to get back, and
that's against the Las Vegas Raiders, the Monday night game
on ESPN. So we'll see, we'll see. But they can
use the help, they can use the energy. And when
Jerry talks about we've got reinforcements along the way he
talking about over shown, he's also talking about Shavone Ravel,
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the third round pick out of East Carolina at cornerback.
So that to me will be very interesting as you
start to see what these guys can do as they
hit the trade deadline.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
When is the trade headline? November fourth? November fourth, okay, so.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
That's the day after the Cowboys play against the Arizona
Cardinals on a Monday night and going into a bye.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So if they wanted to make.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
A trade by November four, they could bring in a player,
that player wouldn't have to play that week, and then
they could get them ready for the game against the Raiders,
which would be November fourteenth, heading into back to back
games to end November against the Eagles and then a
Thanksgiving Day game against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I mean, it's a good time to do something if
you wanted to heading into the bye because then that's
what they did with Amari Cooper when they made that
deal years ago. It was heading into a bye week.
They came off of the game against Washington that was
the LP Lattisser shifted the football and they called him
for a legal procedure or whatever he had done on
a game winning field goal. Then they missed the very
(15:21):
next kick, clanking it off the upright and go and
get Cooper, and then that gave him time to get ready.
They had a Monday night game after that, which I
think this is the same setup. I had a Monday
night game after that, So then they got an even
extra day for him to kind of work back and
get into place. And so yeah, you would you would
think that this sets up well for them if they
wanted to make a move around then that time and
wise it could work out to get somebody ready to go.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
All right, we'll come back. Somebody's going back to Denver.
Get his reaction on facing his old teammates this week
very interesting.
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oh five three at the Fame, the official home of
the Dallas Cowboys. I'm new he strugg so. Javonte Williams
played for the Denver Broncos. Drafted by the Broncos, they
let him go. He's been with the Cowboys. He's been
outstanding for the Cowboys. Been better than anyway back they
had last year, including one Rico Dowdle just saying apparently
Sean Payton's okay with Javonte hasn't come out and thrown
(18:56):
and he shaded him like he did Russell Wilson. But
I did, Javonte, do they need to buckle up this week?
He chuckled and asked again. He just kind of looked
at me and chuckle. Then when he walked off, I
just hit him and he just looked back and I'm like, hey, man,
guy's valide Tony.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
He smelled it.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
He smelled, he smelled it out. He smelled it out
like I know he' John Bay. You know what I mean.
We have to try and you know the great Tim
McMahon would do it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So he would.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Tim McMahon as the Mavericks get ready.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And wouldn't wink when he's doing it.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
They need to buckle up, right, he would. He would
make it a confirmation and then make him say right, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So I just tiptoed around the Tim mcman's there, but uh,
Javonte moved on and then I asked the counter and
he said, hey, I talk to my agent. So look,
this thing worked out great for Javonte Williams. He's with
the Cowboys. He's been better than anybody they've had. You
could argue the last two seasons at running back, and
Tony Potler left town. So he's been very good.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah, absolutely, and and uh he he has a chip
on his shoulder. There's there's no doubt about it. And
uh he's got some good friends over on that roster,
uh still to this day. But it's it's uh, it's
gonna be a little bit more of a business approach,
I think for for uh Javonte Williams on Sunday, I
think he's he's going to be going out there with
some some names on the list.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Twice I asked Booker if he you know, is this
any extra motivation for you guys as an O line,
and he said, hey, we're trying to open up holes
for him every week, but yeah, we want him to
have a good game.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I also talked to Cooper BEB and Bbe says he's
trying to play this week, but he said, if not
this week, then definitely, uh the next game against the
Arizona Cardinals. So you'll you'll definitely see him Monday, November
third against the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Maybe you'll see him this week.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
That would be huge. Brock Hoffman has been good, but
I think they can generate even more a run run
block uh success with Cooper BB in the middle than
they have gotten from brockoff And I think brock Hoffman
probably struggles in some of those run situations, but past
block he's been really efficient. But it's it's gonna help
that overall offensive line if Cooper BB comes back.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Uh, yeah, they I think definitely. I think the last
two weeks you're seeing some signs of like, Okay, it'd
be good for for BB to get back soon. And
I think brock Coffin he's done an admirable job in there,
and I think he's somebody who he gives them a
dimension that they don't have in terms of an intangible
that they don't have typically when he's not out there,
(21:29):
which is just he's he's nasty and and and he's
got a big edge to him. But you've seen snap
exchanges that have have not worked out well the last
two weeks. You've seen some different issues. The last two
weeks have just power given him some problems sustaining blocks
that that I don't know if it'd be as big
of an issue for BB, but he's done a good job.
It'd be great to get BB back on Javante. It's Uh,
(21:53):
that's an interesting situation because I don't I think it's
something where everybody. It makes sense. It doesn't surprise the Broncos.
I think all the available evidence they had told them
this wasn't working out anymore. And I like I think
most of us cover if we were covering the Broncos
last couple of years, we would have said, you probably
(22:13):
don't need to resign Davante. And Javonte, to his credit,
worked and has has bounced back in a big way
and taken it and shown what kind of player he
can be. So to me, it makes sense that the
Broncos did. It makes sense to me that Davante was
offended by it and and that he worked as hard
as he did to become the player did because he's
been a level of explosiveness that the Broncos hadn't seen
(22:33):
the last few years.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
And then let's remember Sean Payton was not there when
they drafted him. You know, that was under Fangio, So
they had they had, and yeah it was Fangio or
a Hacket.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Hacket was there for two seconds, but it was a
different regime. So he's got an idea of what it
is he wants in a running back. Fine, fine, people
can go different ways, and it can be okay. Yeah,
And it doesn't always have to be super personal. It
could just be, hey, look we had a different vision.
I wanted this. I didn't see that. I wanted to
go over here. And you know, the Broncos are winning
(23:06):
right now and doing well and Javonte Williams is truly
in a your Davonte. Between Davonte Williams and George Pickings,
they found homes that fit them very well.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
The last heading end of the season. The last time
Javonte Williams had a thirty plus yard run was against
the Cowboys as a rookie year. Yeah, that's crazy, and
that he didn't have one of the last three years
he was and never He's got three this season. So like,
I mean, it's just it is a different player than
Denver saw. But I certainly understand the motivation for it.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
He's a healthy player.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And yeah, and and you so so often you hear
players will say well I'm actually healthy this year, and
it's a little bit like okay, like like is that
is that really the is it? Does that? Is that
really the case? Or are you just trying to is
there some cover there of like, well, last year I
wasn't really healthy it's it's really I needed the extra year.
In that case, it looks like it's been actually true
for Javante when he said, this is the first time
I felt healthy since all that happened.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Right, He's also confident this is his Rooki year. He's
also confident. You can see the confidence in his in
his running style right now when he lowers his shoulder
and he talked about it out out here, he said, men,
I'm the best I've been. And so that that does
a lot, especially for a guy who has to make
quick decisions in the backfield like he does.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Sometimes you just go to a situation that fits and
and and.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I think that applies to life man.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
People people don't want to hear that at times, but
you just go back in the real world.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Sometimes you just go to a place that just fits.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And when I look at Williams, I look at Pickings,
these situations there and now just fit.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
It's like you were the fan, Bobby, you know, you
just want to fit.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, I mean, I think I'm pretty verstile. I think
I can fit anywhere. But yeah, clown like the.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Rest of them, spittle about that. We'll see see. But
you know, so far, I think you're doing all right, man.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Thank you. Yeah, I just think they need what you're saying.
I'm jivante without the contract.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, and the valedictorian thing.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
It's true. Without the contract, mine's about to run out.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, and the validictorian thing. So good luck with that.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Let me know if you need any media spinning.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, there we go. Just start leaking, leaking positive stories about.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
The rat on the Morning show, next gen stats that
they tune in for Bobby's voice.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Mat I do.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I called the Sean, r J and Bobby Show. That's
what I call.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
His name is Marky. Put the man's name on the
Marquie all right, do that? Hey, Nick Carris, I know
you gotta go right. I'll get you ready to get
over here to start telegram. Bobby, you gotta go get
some sleep so you get ready for the Morning Show.
One five weeks.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Hanging around to the Cowboys Cross Talk Tonight with Nate Newton.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Oh yeah, Daniel, buckle up, buddy.
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Go get some espresso upstairs.
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You gotta ask him.
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For who's on Orlando tonight? It is Kevin Smith pop pp.
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For Orlando Jones High school. He was the kicker who
was Nate Newton was the kicker on his high school team.
You need to ask him.
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I'm gonna ask him if I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
That, Orlando Jones he was the kicker.
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It's all black school.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Huh, yeah it is? And tell me I covered that cool.
I covered that school.
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It is it is we kicking.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
You turned your best athlete that happens to be Nate Newton.
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I ain't got no Hispanics in the area. They couldn't recruit. He, Hey,
come on over here, help us out. Soccer guys. You
got nobody you know the exactly you have a soccer team.
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Denver Broncos against the Cowboys. Cowboys have beating up since
nineteen ninety five. Were you gentlemen born?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I was.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I was uh oop and diapers? No, no, no, no,
I was not that young. I was six years old.
I am thirty six.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Like I said, he was poop and diapers.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Come on, stop that. No, I was, uh yeah, that was.
That was actually the first year I was following the
NFL as a child.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Okay, you're born in eighty nine. I have a wild
stat for you in the break.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh great eighty nine. What June eighty nine? What day
June fifteenth?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Dude, I graduated high school June night. That's great.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
And then six days later I came into the world.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Days later, there is a star in the.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
East, my child, my life began as your adulthood began.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
How about that? How about that? Okay, so there we go.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I have a stat for you. If I could hit
me and the last three games, Jalen Tolbert has three receptions,
Hunter Olypias four. We can continue the show.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's why one has a contract extension, any other does not.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
How many penalties exactly?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
And Tolbert it gets a holding penalty about once a
game too.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
She's working with Sam Williams. They trying to out.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Do each Oh man, look, I just had a very
spirited debate in the media workroom about an hour ago.
Some guys are like, why would you trade Tolbert? I
would trade Tolbert. You're losing the value every day now.
I think it's gone.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So this yesterday a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
We did it yesterday. Also we did on the players line.
So we've been taking your work and using the segments here.
And I brought up Mingo, Jonathan Mingo, He's going to
be up here and by trade, because okay, if Mingo
comes back, who's gonna sit out of the receiver room.
You know who's gonna who's who's gonna be wearing this
salute to Service shirt on Sunday in Denver looking good.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, if you're gonna have to sit, this is
the one to sit for, because you've got the good gear.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But if you trade Tolbert, as Nick has been saying here,
then Mingo can get on the field. Plus, you know
you're most likely not bringing Tolbert back, but you do
have Mingo under contract next year, So that's what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, and you don't you don't know totally what Mingo is.
You feel like you know exactly who Tolbert is.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, Yeah, And so there you go.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
And then of course I also put out there you
were saying, move Tolbert, a wide receiver that the cat
led the Cowboys and touchdowns last year, to get yourself
a linebacker some help here.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And look like we were talking about yesterday, there's it's
not even a question of, man, I just want to
get Jayalen Tolivert off the roster. It's more a question of, like,
I just need to clean up some of this log
jam at receiver, and he's the one that makes the
most sense giving contract status, given you know where he's
at in his career, where the Cowboys are at. And
(03:24):
like I said, if you want to talk about a
team that may look at a guy on your roster
and go fifty catches, seven hundred yards last year, seven touchdowns,
we could use that. There's some wide receiver starf teams
that would say we could use that.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
In your defense.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
If you can add some pieces to your defense here,
then you need to.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Look at it because you need help.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
You Still, even though they're telling us people are on
the way, I still think what Nick said makes a
lot of sense. If you could possibly find a team
that needs some help at wide receiver and they can
possibly get you a linebacker, maybe a safety type player,
then you should you should you look into it.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I'm curious how y'all feel about the because everybody, it
seemed like, felt pretty similar. They did not want the
the Mica trade to occur within the division. There are
a lot of people who didn't even want it to
occur within the conference. That doesn't stretch down to all
your other trades, right Like if you find if you
found a trade partner for Jaylen Tilbert, you wouldn't feel like, well,
I can't get burned by potentially trading that's somebody in
the division or in the conference. You would just say, no,
(04:19):
everybody's on limits. That's only for guys that we're we're
certain it would hurt us.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Yeah, like giants, look if they if they want them
come on.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Your defense? Is that bad?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
It doesn't matter. You got you got to help your defense.
That's that's just how I see it and view it.
At the end of the day, what can you do
to try to help your defense and not bankrupt yourself
out of your picks. You already know how I feel
about these number one picks. To me, they're untouchable. No no, no,
no touch when we will second got ahead, but not
at first, not an effort. They're too valuable, and the
(04:49):
value of them is going to be when we're talking
about April. The value of them now is just to me,
it's it's not as much became April. These things matter.
It's five year contracts. You're most likely talk about putting
these picks towards defense, So five year contracts control. As
you're paying offensive players here, you're gonna have to do
something defensively. Get some younger talent, grow it up.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Here.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I think they should resign George Pickens. I think they
should resign Brandon Aubrey. Both guys are going to be
top of the market.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Contract if you resigned Pickens, because what you lost your
third for next April, that's the one that wins Pickens yep.
And then you've got seven, that's right, seven picks in
the top one hundred probably over the next two years.
If you're gonna invest that money in George Pickens, you
probably need to throw six of the seven at your
(05:39):
defense right now, just because the young talent that you've
invested in and locked in here, it's all on offense.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You do the dan Quinn draft.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
When they brought Dan Quinn here as a defensive coordinator,
they went heavy on defense.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
How can we help him?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And it worked And in year two they went through
and got the right tackle.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So it worked, and I go back to method.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You guys weren't around, but back in the day, the
forty nine ers had a really bad defense. They were
two and fourteen and two and fourteen under Bill Walsh.
He knew he had an issue defensively. Through a bunch
of picks a draft and defense, Eric Wright, Ronnie lott
I want to say maybe it was Williamson. But anyway,
these guys that they spent money on the defense, draft
(06:20):
picks on defense, they became a corner of a team
that won Super Bowl sixteen and Super Bowl nineteen on
their way to being a team of the eighties. So
you can strategize and say, look, we need help here,
identify it.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I trust Will McLay and go to the draft and do.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
The work here, come to April to fix your to
really help your fix your defense. I just don't believe
in this whole thing now that they're talking about Jerry
using a one of these ones to go improve this
defense here. And I know you talked to Jerry yesterday.
I want to five three to the fan on his
radio show.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, look, I think the general thought is correct about
where they're at in terms of their roster construction, that
it would make a lot of sense because again, if
you're going to resign pickings, you need deep, young, controllable
talent on defense, because there's not a whole lot of
investment you can make in terms of going to get
a veteran, whether it be through trader free agency, that's
(07:09):
going to make real impact here. So it is sort
of like the like you ever go to like the carnivals,
and they have like those games where it's like you
got the little little clowns set up at the end,
you got the balls and you're just trying to throw
them and knock them down or whatever, and you just
pick up all of them. You just start throwing at
it like I'm gonna hit some of them. I'm gonna
knock down some of these. And that's how it kind
of feels like with the defense, where it's like just
throw everything at the defense. Some of them will hit
(07:31):
to just find who's my top right of defensive player
on the board, Go let me do that. And I
think that that'll be a strategy that's not universal. It's
not gonna one hundredercent, but I would bet it's going
to be pretty close to how they end up approaching
the draft for the next few years. Because Jerry, like
you said, talking yesterday, was talking about that again they're
open for business. Didn't sound like he was talking very
(07:54):
much about them being proactive and reaching out. But I
think you could reed from his answer a little bit
that maybe he's feeling a little more proactive and he
just doesn't want to he doesn't want to tip too
much right now. So I think that they're they're gonna
be in the market. They're going to be in the
market looking for deals on the defensive side of the ball,
guys that either are cheap, controllable talent, or maybe in
(08:16):
some instances they may be on the look for. Find
me in expiring, Go find me somebody who is expiring,
and let me let me just see if I can capitalize.
I'll give up a pick and try to just capitalize
on who that player is right now in the name
of getting close, because this is a very vulnerable NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
All right, let's get our first break in here when
we come back, a return to practice for a player
that was met with joy amongst his teammates. We'll talk
about what was said in the locker room today with
Bobby Belton.
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He spoke to the media today. But you saw the
joy and gratitude and faith on display about his return.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
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his journeys in his path and to you know, whatever
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(11:53):
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he was doing a charity event for single mothers for
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(12:14):
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not lying. He was smiling that day. He's been smiling
every day since. And so it's it's cool to see
good people win, and you can, I think we could
all safely say he's one of the good people.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
It's cool to see good people win. And it sucked
to watch him go down last year with that injury
because everybody, I think knew how hard he had worked
to get back the previous time. He was a guy
who people around the organization would just rave about the
way he attacked the rehab process the last time, where
(12:47):
it was him, David Durden and John Stevens. I think
that we're all in the same rehab groups together during
the off season there. But yeah, but they had said that,
you know, it's really easy when guys get injured like
that to feel isolated and they're cut away from team,
and that overshown. He basically just approached those guys very
early on and said, this is our position group. Okay,
like this is our group. This is this is not
(13:08):
a time to slok. Where we're gonna work like they work,
and we're gonna hold each other accountable like they hold
each other accountable. And that's what we're here to do.
And that I remember Overshowing sat with us in training
camp and said that, he said, yeah, I mean, and
through that, like I became really close. He's like those
guys like ended up in my wedding or like he
ended up in their wedding or something like that, and
so he was He's It showed them a lot about
the leadership traits. I think they thought they had in him,
(13:30):
and then they learned a lot about him during that
last rehab process and then for him to get the
injury he did last year, I think a lot of
people in the organization not only just for what they
were losing on the football field, but they hurt for
the work he had put in and everything that he'd done.
It's like, why why is this going to happen to
something like Kim and and he ended up this time
around you hear again a lot of glowing praise for
this is a dude who just did not drop his head.
(13:52):
He kept his head up the whole time, and he
worked and he attacked it and and now he's in
a position to contribute sooner than I think a lot
of people thought he would.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So Da Marian over showed saying.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
November seventeen is when he's looking to get back, and
that's against the Las Vegas Raiders, the Monday night game
on ESPN. So we'll see, we'll see. But they can
use the help, they can use the energy. And when
Jerry talks about we've got reinforcements along the way he
talking about over shown, he's also talking about Shavone Ravel,
(14:24):
the third round pick out of East Carolina at cornerback.
So that to me will be very interesting as you
start to see what these guys can do as they
hit the trade deadline.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
When is the trade headline? November fourth? November fourth, okay, so.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
That's the day after the Cowboys play against the Arizona
Cardinals on a Monday night and going into a bye.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So if they wanted to make.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
A trade by November four, they could bring in a player,
that player wouldn't have to play that week, and then
they could get them ready for the game against the Raiders,
which would be November fourteenth, heading into back to back
games to end November against the Eagles and then a
Thanksgiving Day game against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I mean, it's a good time to do something if
you wanted to heading into the bye because then that's
what they did with Amari Cooper when they made that
deal years ago. It was heading into a bye week.
They came off of the game against Washington that was
the LP Lattisser shifted the football and they called him
for a legal procedure or whatever he had done on
a game winning field goal. Then they missed the very
(15:21):
next kick, clanking it off the upright and go and
get Cooper, and then that gave him time to get ready.
They had a Monday night game after that, which I
think this is the same setup. I had a Monday
night game after that, So then they got an even
extra day for him to kind of work back and
get into place. And so yeah, you would you would
think that this sets up well for them if they
wanted to make a move around then that time and
wise it could work out to get somebody ready to go.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
All right, we'll come back. Somebody's going back to Denver.
Get his reaction on facing his old teammates this week
very interesting.
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(18:36):
oh five three at the Fame, the official home of
the Dallas Cowboys. I'm new he strugg so. Javonte Williams
played for the Denver Broncos. Drafted by the Broncos, they
let him go. He's been with the Cowboys. He's been
outstanding for the Cowboys. Been better than anyway back they
had last year, including one Rico Dowdle just saying apparently
Sean Payton's okay with Javonte hasn't come out and thrown
(18:56):
and he shaded him like he did Russell Wilson. But
I did, Javonte, do they need to buckle up this week?
He chuckled and asked again. He just kind of looked
at me and chuckle. Then when he walked off, I
just hit him and he just looked back and I'm like, hey, man,
guy's valide Tony.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
He smelled it.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
He smelled, he smelled it out. He smelled it out
like I know he' John Bay. You know what I mean.
We have to try and you know the great Tim
McMahon would do it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So he would.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Tim McMahon as the Mavericks get ready.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And wouldn't wink when he's doing it.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
They need to buckle up, right, he would. He would
make it a confirmation and then make him say right, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So I just tiptoed around the Tim mcman's there, but uh,
Javonte moved on and then I asked the counter and
he said, hey, I talk to my agent. So look,
this thing worked out great for Javonte Williams. He's with
the Cowboys. He's been better than anybody they've had. You
could argue the last two seasons at running back, and
Tony Potler left town. So he's been very good.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah, absolutely, and and uh he he has a chip
on his shoulder. There's there's no doubt about it. And
uh he's got some good friends over on that roster,
uh still to this day. But it's it's uh, it's
gonna be a little bit more of a business approach,
I think for for uh Javonte Williams on Sunday, I
think he's he's going to be going out there with
some some names on the list.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Twice I asked Booker if he you know, is this
any extra motivation for you guys as an O line,
and he said, hey, we're trying to open up holes
for him every week, but yeah, we want him to
have a good game.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I also talked to Cooper BEB and Bbe says he's
trying to play this week, but he said, if not
this week, then definitely, uh the next game against the
Arizona Cardinals. So you'll you'll definitely see him Monday, November
third against the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Maybe you'll see him this week.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
That would be huge. Brock Hoffman has been good, but
I think they can generate even more a run run
block uh success with Cooper BB in the middle than
they have gotten from brockoff And I think brock Hoffman
probably struggles in some of those run situations, but past
block he's been really efficient. But it's it's gonna help
that overall offensive line if Cooper BB comes back.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Uh, yeah, they I think definitely. I think the last
two weeks you're seeing some signs of like, Okay, it'd
be good for for BB to get back soon. And
I think brock Coffin he's done an admirable job in there,
and I think he's somebody who he gives them a
dimension that they don't have in terms of an intangible
that they don't have typically when he's not out there,
(21:29):
which is just he's he's nasty and and and he's
got a big edge to him. But you've seen snap
exchanges that have have not worked out well the last
two weeks. You've seen some different issues. The last two
weeks have just power given him some problems sustaining blocks
that that I don't know if it'd be as big
of an issue for BB, but he's done a good job.
It'd be great to get BB back on Javante. It's Uh,
(21:53):
that's an interesting situation because I don't I think it's
something where everybody. It makes sense. It doesn't surprise the Broncos.
I think all the available evidence they had told them
this wasn't working out anymore. And I like I think
most of us cover if we were covering the Broncos
last couple of years, we would have said, you probably
(22:13):
don't need to resign Davante. And Javonte, to his credit,
worked and has has bounced back in a big way
and taken it and shown what kind of player he
can be. So to me, it makes sense that the
Broncos did. It makes sense to me that Davante was
offended by it and and that he worked as hard
as he did to become the player did because he's
been a level of explosiveness that the Broncos hadn't seen
(22:33):
the last few years.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
And then let's remember Sean Payton was not there when
they drafted him. You know, that was under Fangio, So
they had they had, and yeah it was Fangio or
a Hacket.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Hacket was there for two seconds, but it was a
different regime. So he's got an idea of what it
is he wants in a running back. Fine, fine, people
can go different ways, and it can be okay. Yeah,
And it doesn't always have to be super personal. It
could just be, hey, look we had a different vision.
I wanted this. I didn't see that. I wanted to
go over here. And you know, the Broncos are winning
(23:06):
right now and doing well and Javonte Williams is truly
in a your Davonte. Between Davonte Williams and George Pickings,
they found homes that fit them very well.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
The last heading end of the season. The last time
Javonte Williams had a thirty plus yard run was against
the Cowboys as a rookie year. Yeah, that's crazy, and
that he didn't have one of the last three years
he was and never He's got three this season. So like,
I mean, it's just it is a different player than
Denver saw. But I certainly understand the motivation for it.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
He's a healthy player.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And yeah, and and you so so often you hear
players will say well I'm actually healthy this year, and
it's a little bit like okay, like like is that
is that really the is it? Does that? Is that
really the case? Or are you just trying to is
there some cover there of like, well, last year I
wasn't really healthy it's it's really I needed the extra year.
In that case, it looks like it's been actually true
for Javante when he said, this is the first time
I felt healthy since all that happened.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Right, He's also confident this is his Rooki year. He's
also confident. You can see the confidence in his in
his running style right now when he lowers his shoulder
and he talked about it out out here, he said, men,
I'm the best I've been. And so that that does
a lot, especially for a guy who has to make
quick decisions in the backfield like he does.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Sometimes you just go to a situation that fits and
and and.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I think that applies to life man.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
People people don't want to hear that at times, but
you just go back in the real world.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Sometimes you just go to a place that just fits.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And when I look at Williams, I look at Pickings,
these situations there and now just fit.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
It's like you were the fan, Bobby, you know, you
just want to fit.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, I mean, I think I'm pretty verstile. I think
I can fit anywhere. But yeah, clown like the.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Rest of them, spittle about that. We'll see see. But
you know, so far, I think you're doing all right, man.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Thank you. Yeah, I just think they need what you're saying.
I'm jivante without the contract.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, and the valedictorian thing.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
It's true. Without the contract, mine's about to run out.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, and the validictorian thing. So good luck with that.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Let me know if you need any media spinning.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, there we go. Just start leaking, leaking positive stories about.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
The rat on the Morning show, next gen stats that
they tune in for Bobby's voice.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Mat I do.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I called the Sean, r J and Bobby Show. That's
what I call.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
His name is Marky. Put the man's name on the
Marquie all right, do that? Hey, Nick Carris, I know
you gotta go right. I'll get you ready to get
over here to start telegram. Bobby, you gotta go get
some sleep so you get ready for the Morning Show.
One five weeks.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Hanging around to the Cowboys Cross Talk Tonight with Nate Newton.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Oh yeah, Daniel, buckle up, buddy.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Go get some espresso upstairs.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
You gotta ask him.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Can you ask him something on the showder yea yeah?
For who's on Orlando tonight? It is Kevin Smith pop pp.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
For Orlando Jones High school. He was the kicker who
was Nate Newton was the kicker on his high school team.
You need to ask him.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I'm gonna ask him if I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
That, Orlando Jones he was the kicker.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's all black school.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Huh, yeah it is? And tell me I covered that cool.
I covered that school.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It is it is we kicking.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
You turned your best athlete that happens to be Nate Newton.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I ain't got no Hispanics in the area. They couldn't recruit. He, Hey,
come on over here, help us out. Soccer guys. You
got nobody you know the exactly you have a soccer team.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
I knew.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
He scrutched immediately, asking we'll talk to you tomorrow. This
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