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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is Media Match, a roundtable of Cowboys insiders, dropping
wisdom and offering sizzling takes on the current state of
your Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Now your host, Newie Scrugs.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Here we are on the media match. Everybody. It is Thursday,
here at the Star in Frisco.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
The Cowboys heading into a pivotal matchup on Sunday against
the Philadelphia Eagles, who in first place.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Philly has won the last three meetings.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
We got Nick Harris fot or Star Telegram Hall of Famer,
ed Warder of w f A A TV.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
All rights at the Red Rocks.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
What did you do?

Speaker 5 (00:47):
He's at the Red Rocks Casino in Las Vegas.

Speaker 6 (00:49):
You ever had a late night at casino? Nwie? Probably
four game You probably shouldn't have.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
No, really, I was in Vegas eight days. Those are
eight days.

Speaker 6 (00:59):
I'm saying you missed your flight home.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
I was all good.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
That was all good, and and you know, kept all
the restrictions that we had to that we we sent
that they tell us we have to do in these places.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
I was good.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
Yeah, that was good.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Anti break, anti gambling policy, perfume.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
I thought it was all good, man, wait to make
us proud, you know what, I guess when you're my age,
you know you're all good. I've done all that. I've
done all that. So young youngsters are a little bit
different out there in Las Vegas. But I was good
with it at nice good. You know, I'll say this.
If that's what it takes for them to perform like that,
then go ahead this week, stay out all night, go
down to deep, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Do what you gotta do.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
So it starts not that far.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, I don't think they can do that, but you're
you are right at it.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
A possession in this football game could be very critical,
especially looking back at the Cowboys Eagles first game of
the year on that Thursday night, and the Cowboys had
the football in optimal position to go down the field
and win that football game and they did not.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
What's your what's the hopium level.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
For this game? For the Cowboys game the Raiders?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
That the Raiders.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
But I know everybody's you know, critical of the Eagles,
and you know, saying that the offense is in dysfunction,
and there's turmoil in the locker room with the quarterback.
But this is the winningest team in the league the
last two years. Look at the teams they've beaten this year.
Dallas hasn't beaten a team with a winning record. Dallas
hasn't beaten an opponent has more than three wins yet

(02:25):
this year. And these guys have beaten the Bucks, the Packers,
the Lions, the Rams. I mean, come on, I think
these are two teams on totally different levels. But I
just don't discount the possibility the Cowboys could win the game.
With the defensive improvement we saw the other night, they
could win the game. But I still think the Eagles
are in a different class overall.

Speaker 7 (02:44):
I think the Cowboys wild probably tell you they wish
they had one more tune up game to get these
new pieces assimilated on defense before going through this stretch.
But they have to play the schedule they have and
on a short week, it's gonna be tough. I think
they keep this game close at the very least, though.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
So I go back into piggyback on what you said, Ed,
is this has been a problem here not for the
past couple of years.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
The Cowboys can't beat good teams. That's been an issue.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Beating good teams has been an issue, and this is
a good football team and what we have seen, even
saw it this year, got close with Philly at Green
Bay where you wanted to couldn't finish the job. And
at some point in time, if they want to have
some real, true hope, they got to win a game.
You're at home. I know it's a short week. You've
got a little bit of hope because you've got some

(03:28):
defensive players that actually help you. We go back to
that first game. No defense was worth it aren't in
the first half and the second half both defenses played well.
Was only three points scored in it. But at some
point in time, the Cowboys, if they're going to do anything,
it has to me. It has to be right now.
You've got three games in eleven days. You got the
first one done with the Raiders stepping up whole different
level of competition.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
But you gotta get in.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Kansas City and Kansas City anymore we see it with
five and five football team.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
This is the game. If the Cowboys can win, then.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Maybe they win this game, that'll give them the confidence
that perhaps they can win the other two. Yes, but
they have to win this game.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, Yeah, that's where I'm looking at it.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
And they know this team and they played this team
on fairly even terms in the opener, which should have
been very favorable to Philadelphia playing at home on the
night they were celebrating their Super Bowl title. The Cowboys
had the ball with a chance to go win the game.
They didn't get it, and they had a much worse
defense then than they have now.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Correct And Philadelphia, in my opinion, looked better as a
team in that game than they have.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
But defensively, they'll have Jalen Carter. We presume he'll make
it to kick offf through kickoff and the coin flip and.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
All, he'll play a snap. I gotta imagine he's gonna play.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
A couple snacks. Jalen Phillips, who makes a difference on
the defense.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Boy, was that a good.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
Pick up or what has been that has been?

Speaker 7 (04:43):
I mean, the NFC East has really cleaned up with
some good trade deadline additions, but Jalen Phillip has been fantastic.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
And then you bring back Brandon Graham out of retirement,
so he's got those fresh legs. So Philadelphia is if
they can get if they can make aj Brandt happy,
then who knows, but they they You go look at that,
They've had a lot.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Of close games.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
You know they've won them.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
And that was my next Thame have.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
The best record in the NFL in one scoring games.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
They know how to close the show, and the Cowboys
have to figure that out. You start to look at
the Carolina game, you look at the Philly game, you
look at the Green Bay game. These are games where
you conceivably look back and say, boll, we could have
had that. But that's what bad teams do. They don't
know how to close the show. Can they figure that
out this week?

Speaker 5 (05:28):
I don't know. I think it'll be a close game,
so I think they'll have their opportunity to demonstrate whether
they can pull that off or not.

Speaker 7 (05:34):
I think the big difference here is it's this matchup
is going to be one between the Cowboys offensive line
and the Philly defensive line, Like that's gonna be the
matchup that really dictates this ballgame. And with the way
the Philly defensive line has really been syncing in recently,
it's tough to imagine the Cowboys winning that advantage. But
when when this Philly line gets pressure, that opens up
things for their young defensive backs that have just been

(05:55):
balling this year. Quannon Mitchell should be a first team
All Pro this year. He's been playing that well. Andrew
mccooba is playing like he's in his third year, not
his rookie season at the safety spot. Cooper Dejen he's
such an added element that can play anywhere in the secondary.
Those guys are playing better because of that front. And
if you can give Dak Prescott time, or if Dak
Prescott can give Dak Prescott time, then I like the

(06:16):
Catboys to win this game.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
But that is truly where I think this matchup pinch is.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
I think that's pretty much what Dak said a few
minutes ago, right was it's all about how we handle
the pressure and handle the front, suggesting they can beat
the secondary with the skill positions they have if he
can get the ball out.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
They've got to be able to run the football. Philly's
giving up a little bit over one hundred game on
the ground.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
They've got to get out.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
There run the football. Well, I guess in the first game,
but Miles Sanders fumble in the red.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Zone, and that was my next thing was you got
to run the football, and then you can't get the
ball away, because you start to look at that football game.
They lost the turnover battle, and that was a critical
three points possibly there that you didn't get. And then
when they had the ball down there in the red zone,
had to kick another field goal. So that's in my mind,
I look at that's seven that's potential seven points that

(07:03):
you didn't get. They've got to go. They've got to go.
They've got to be better at that if they're gonna
win the football game. They're just they're not good enough
to make those kind of mistakes. And when you're taking
on the Philadelphia team that just figures out ways.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
To win and they don't turn them all over. That's
the secret of their success is they don't turn the
ball over. They score when they're in the red zone.
They maximize those opportunities and they do not hurt themselves.
The quarterback has what one turnover all year?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Good player? Good player? What is get in that locker
room today?

Speaker 6 (07:34):
I'm trying to think you were at the podium.

Speaker 7 (07:36):
I was doing some investigative journalism inside of the locker room.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
We talked to Dak quite a bit about this matchup
and the importance of these three games, and he said,
there's no ifs, ins or butts about it. You know,
in twelve days where either in or we're out. And
even if they win the three, they're not necessarily in.
But this is the key stretch to their season, you know,
I think CD and and we talked to Pickings a
lot about him coming back beyond this year. Obviously, you know,

(08:03):
Jerry's made a great trade to get Pickens. But there's
it's it really doesn't matter if they don't keep the
guy beyond this year. Like that's the purpose of bringing
in great young players is you keep them for the
duration of their most meaningful years. So that's got to happen.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Stay right there. We talked a little bit on the
player's luge, Jerry's eighty two.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Why do not I just write the check at this
point time? You don't know how many more of these
you're gonna have.

Speaker 6 (08:30):
If you're the agent, why would you answer the phone
right now? Other than George.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I mean
after the season, after the season, Ye, that's no. I
mean in terms of just like getting George Pickens being
on the team in twenty twenty six with the contract.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
That's That's what I'm thinking about here. Yes, it's gonna
cost you.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Some money, but at this point in time, who cares
if George Pickens signs a five year deal here?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Who knows? You know? Who knows you know?

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Eighty two years? Who knows how much time? Much more time?
How much more time you have get the deal done?
And if you can see what dak is able to
do with c d Lamb, with George Pickens and Jake Ferguson,
and now you've got some defensive.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
Pieces here and Gavonte Williams, and.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
You think you could add a little bit more to
a come twenty twenty six, why would you not do it?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
That's just my opinion. Who cares about the money at
this point? Huh?

Speaker 5 (09:22):
I guess critics of it would say, well, then you're
the Cincinnati Bengals, right, You've allocated so much to your
quarterback and two receivers that you can't feel the competitive defense.
But which is where the Cowboys have been to this point.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
But you're now seemingly with your defensive line able to
make some moves.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
You got to keep those guys too, Right, Kenny Clark's
going out of contract Quinn and Williams. We don't know
if he's going to play for the final two years
of his Jets contract or not. You might want more like,
But the point is if when you're three five and
one and you're making trades for these kinds of players,
like the yeah, point of emphasis has to be beyond
the year, because you're probably not going to realize your

(10:02):
expectations this year, but you could next year when you
have those guys to build your defense around and you
have you know, that group of those two receivers in
the quarterback all right?

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Ringing Jacques Taylor here, author and former Cowboy Beat writer.
I just think at eighty two years old, man.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Remember Mike's eighty one, and he didn't do it, so
he finally did.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
But I mean, I think about Mike Ilitch when he
was the old owner of the Red Wings and the Tigers.
This dude wrote every check he could to try to
get the Tigers the championship and he ain't got the
world too.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
But the man was I don't care.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
I don't care, and I know there's a salary cap,
but why at this point time, why not pay pigures
abouts man try to get this thing.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Before you before, you know, But for what, man, you
know you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Stop Saints come marching in. That's that's what you know.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Man.

Speaker 8 (10:48):
Jared Jones is one month older than my father. So
all it is Jared Jones about to the Saints come
marching in. You know this is negative, tough, new But
you know, my old man worked out three times a week.
Every time I talk to him, he working out. He
got Fitch facula.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
I just saw Jerry in the gym over here, did
you he was spotting for that.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Look, Okay, you probably aint gonna be hit next year.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
Well you almost for a year today.

Speaker 8 (11:12):
So all that you know, that's because I ain't gonna
saying about the times they are changing around here.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
You know, I think this, I think the more important
things you gotta win.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
Deck is still the functional good quarterback, like he ain't
gonna play forever.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
The thing that upsets Jerry right is he hasn't gotten
football credit as a general manager. Now they've made all
these moves that have benefit of the roster, and you're
gonna not take full advantage of it because you're not
gonna re sign some of these guys.

Speaker 8 (11:40):
See I'm crazy. I think you just signed everybody. I
mean Kenny Clok, you should sign him too. You should
have three. If you got three up on your roster
right now and they played good these last why wouldn't
you figure out a way to bring them all back.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's about winning now.

Speaker 8 (11:52):
It's a year to year proposition for most NFL teams,
not just just because the owner is a little old.
It's for the team. It's a year year proposition. Can
we win this year? Yeah, let's go for it.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Worry more about the age of the quarterback than I
have the edge of the owner.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
I'm with you because Jerry only Dorian Gray, Baby.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I think we can say right now, the quarterback is
in his prime.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
And I look at him and just what he's been
able to do with pickings and lamb, and I just say, okay.

Speaker 8 (12:17):
Plus, you're gonna have to pay another four hundred million
in three years.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
I go back to Peyton Manning and just and Peyton
was you know, obviously the first pick in the draft
of special talent, but they always had help the guy's
whole career. He had dudes, Dak hasn't had to do
both sides of the ball, right, but specifically you.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Know Marvin Harrison, Reggie.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Reggie, Wayne Us James on, Anthony Gonzales. Yeah, you had
Marshall falk Oh, hey, we're training you, Marshall. We w't
want to pay Here's you know, here's Edrin James. When
they tell Edwin we're not going to pay you, they
go out and draft the kid Donald. They just kept
getting guys and had Joseph. They kept having guys around Peyton. Man,
here's a first round pick on tight end Dallas.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
Clus matthis and free Andy on the other side.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
So, so to me and I think about just what
Jerry's been rolling out here CD in the Madies the
past couple of years.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Finally you got a guy like Pickens.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
You see what it can do, and if you're going
to pay him all this money, maximize it. That's what
you should do. In my opinion, you got to give
They can't do it alone. He can do a lot,
but you're clearly seeing offensively what he can do with
the kind of help and a special player that Pickens is.
Even CD Lamb is sitting here like, hey man, this
guy floats. He floats all boats.

Speaker 7 (13:27):
Nick, Are you saying that they haven't invested draft resources
to help.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Deck I'm saying in the first round, like, not the way.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
It's fine they've left him shorthanded wide receiver or seventh time.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, sure, not the way. We're talking about what Payton made.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Bill Pollion went out of his way and even when
John Elway was in Denver to make sure you had
prime targets. I mean, you go to Denver, there's a
first rounder in Jomarius Thompson. I said, you know, just
look at the first round picks that they brought in
for Peyton Manny offensively. Even when they were drafting offensive
tackles and everything, it was all about making sure eighteen
had witting.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I can't sit here and say that they've done that
for four.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
I think they have since that twenty twenty injury. I'll
continue with that because when three of the last four
first round picks have been on the offensive line, it's
been about protecting his health first and foremost. Now, should
they probably have used one, maybe two of those on
a scale guy?

Speaker 9 (14:18):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Maybe?

Speaker 9 (14:19):
So.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
You know, I think this offense probably would have been
a lot more productive last year when he was well
on his way to having his worst career year.

Speaker 6 (14:25):
But I understand where you're coming from.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
And they made mistakes too. I would have never gotten
rid of Amari Cooper to keep Michael Gallup.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
I was never. I was never about that.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
That was a bad miscalculation.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah, that was one where I'm like, Michael Gallup is
a nice three. Amari Cooper is a guy that you
were three and five and save Jason Garrett's job. This
guy has shown you he can play. They can have
all the issues they want about if he did this
one thing that he didn't do that they wish you
would have done, and.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
That most of us had to do. Yeah, I go
to Vegas too late one night, but get a vaccine,
you know, Syli jeb Uh.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
Yeah, so crazy times.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
So that's a player I would not have gotten gotten
rid of. So but what did you see when you
had Amari Cooper, C. D. Lamb and you had Michael Gallup?
You saw that you had good years. So now I
think that give me Pickings and Lamb. I think those
two can do as much and more than those three did,

(15:25):
because those two are clearly that special. I would just
keep that going. That's just me, and I would care
I could care less about the money and all that,
especially if I was an older guy like dude Jerry's job.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I ain't got too many morning.

Speaker 7 (15:39):
I think they do have a perfect sidekick developing and
Ryan Flinoy. Yes, I think that has become their wide receiver.

Speaker 9 (15:44):
Three.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yes, everything that Tolbert wish, they wish your boy Tolbert
could have been.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
And he has value too in his own way.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
A nice kick return.

Speaker 6 (15:56):
He's had two really bad drops on third down and I.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Ain't throwing to him no more.

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Speaker 4 (18:43):
This is the media magic got Jacques Taylor, Edwarder, Nick Harris,
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Speaker 2 (18:49):
Is he off the hot seat for at least one week?
Ed Warder for.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
One week until they play the Eagles. Yeah, he's off
until they play the Eagles. I think I think now
he actually can be more were fairly judged, you know,
now that he's got talent, He's got his you know,
I think we underestimated the value of the two safeties
being out and all the coverage busts that that contributed to.
I think with what Quinn Williams did and the effect

(19:14):
he's had, and the five man front Marvin Overshown being back,
I think he's actually got playmakers where we can have
reasonable expectations of them not being the worst defense in
football anymore.

Speaker 8 (19:28):
I mean, he gets a pass until we see what
it looked like. But you know, you got better plays,
You should have played better defense. It is at one level,
it ain't really all that complicated.

Speaker 7 (19:38):
I go back to a little bit of stubbornness and
keeping their unathletic linebackers playing behind them and playing more
Tampa too. Kenneth Murray is not a Tampa two linebacker,
neither is Jack Sanborn, and the consistent redundance of it.
I go back to that as something that you know
should definitely be noted at the end of the year.

Speaker 6 (19:58):
But y'all are right.

Speaker 7 (19:59):
He does have his players now, he has this athletic
guy in the middle. Now, whether it be Logan Wilson
or to Marvin Overshown, you're already starting to see that
kind of come together a little bit. But I can't
give no passes, not yet, not yet, not yet.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
I go simple, does the carpenter have tools in the
beginning of the year. I think, if we're just being
honest with ourself, we don't know. He didn't have tools.
Mike Zimmer didn't have the tools. The tools that were here.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
Were refluce that even less because you're traded back a
Parsons a week before the season started.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Right, the tools were here for a dan Quinn defense
in them. And so since then they've kind of wandered
the desert trying to figure this out. It's the Raiders,
so we must present it as such. But I also
say this, if we thought it was just the Cardinals,
and the Cardinals come in and work them and it
got ain't done anythings since they beat the Cowboys here
Jerry World.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
So Jacoby Prisett made the NFL record for most.

Speaker 8 (20:45):
For forty seven man he threw for four forty seven
last week.

Speaker 6 (20:49):
That's a veteran, right.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
They without Marvin Harrison Junior. Did they win?

Speaker 6 (20:53):
No? Not even close.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Okay, so so.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
The Cowboys never beat the Kurt Niners either.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Kirk Cousins like, you know, your fantasy fan, your fantasying about. Yeah,
you picked him up that one week and he he
went out there and balled like crazy for you. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah,
Kyler Murray's get the jump back.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Uh so.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
But but just overall, I know that Eberflus has caught
a lot of flak, and I have said that if
Jerry's going to be fair, give him some pieces and
didn't make your judgment because I'm losing Michael Parsons.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Anybody's taking the jobs.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Hey Michael Parsons here, you know there's there's certain players
that if you're you know, if you're going to take
a job, Hey, I've got this guy here I can
make I could cook up some stuff here.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
And not having Michael Parsons said it.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
Was animous, Jerry said it was Jerry who voted? Is
what I want to know? Who voted? Who got the vote,
you and Stephen I may not be back.

Speaker 6 (21:52):
He said he was part of it.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I'm just saying, you don't get had all five ways man.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
And camp Nico Harris.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
I mean when Jason Kidds said that he and Nico
were in alignment, you know, so, I mean coaches say stuff.

Speaker 12 (22:06):
Man.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Sometimes you look at you see dudes of hostages out there.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
Man, so preservation.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
He had to like Homeland dude, little signals with his hand.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
You know.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
It's like Parcels tried to act like he was okay
with t O. They started calling the player and every
nobody's name. So we've seen, we've seen how that works around.

Speaker 8 (22:21):
I like, I just like everything on the record, man,
that's okay, okay, that's the record is not always the truth.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
But they did they did go out and solve a
couple of problems on defense. I just think they did
it too late.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
That is one hundred percent way too late in the game,
and I think it's going to cost them. I don't
think this is gonna don't think they're gonna be able
to make the playoffs. I think you've duck too You've
duck too much of a hole for yourself. In my opinion,
you're sitting around here right now four or five and one,
and then some of the look at the losses and
you've lost a team like Carolina. Carolina is right here
fighting for a wildcard like you are. They're gonna have
the edge Onny and you lose the game to Arizona's

(22:56):
nfcs NFC losses, I think Carolina anna hurt.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
You can't.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
You can't say that beat the Packers.

Speaker 8 (23:02):
Like the Carolina lost don't look the air zone and
lows look like a sorry loss, but carolinen lost don't
look like Going back to.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
What I'm saying is as you get towards the end
and you're trying to make a playoff spot, you start
looking at all these scenarios where not they're not going
to be in their favor because you lost. Then you've
lost these NFC games and it is to hurt you.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
You're saying, because the Bears are a first place team
and Carolina is a game out behind the Bucks that
better teams than maybe we.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Thought of the time, well, definitely better than we thought.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
They're better, But at the same time, because they're also better,
you start looking at the playoffs. They're going to be
ahead of you, because all right, I don't think the
Bears will win the division, but they'll probably end up.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
As a wild card.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
No, this is all true, and Carolina kind of the
same thing. I think the Bucks will evince would be watch.
But these are true team. They got you, and so
that's gonna drop you right there.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
And I think that's it's gotta make you sick if
if you lose to Carolina and they make the playoffs
and you don't, that's good, that's bad.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
You should have buckled up.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
I don't care how.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Should have buckled He told you They wasn't buck There
wasn't he told you.

Speaker 6 (24:02):
I mean, you know the year, it's it's incredible.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
I mean, when you allow a team to go on
a six minute drive to close the show and kick
a field all in the game, I mean you know
you will you be sick. But it's it's a you
asked for it to go back to what you said.
You made a move way too late. So I think
in twenty twenty six that this things could look a lot.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Better for them. But I just I just it's as hard.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
I mean, you think about the three games in eleven days. Now, okay,
Philly here, then Kansas City and Cancay's not who he thought.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
But still then you got.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
You still got Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Right, you don't have the ten days to get ready
for the lines like you would have in the past.
It's seven days. So you got to go up to
Detroit in December. The Chargers are iffy and but still
if you can't beat the Cardinals at home, we can't
sit right here.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Just assume you gonna beat the Chargers. This is a
tough schedule, you know.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Back to the hole, it's you did this all too late. Yes,
personnel improvement reminds me. Remember what was Mike McCarthy griping about.
Mike McCarthy complained about the fact he didn't have his roster,
his team together in April, right at the start of
the off season program. You got to have your team
in April. Everybody's got to go through the whole thing together.
We're in November and they're still bringing in the starting players, right.

(25:15):
They devided two starting defensive players in November.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Impact das this is not the way to win championships.
He yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Sometimes I'll say to people, who else is winning titles
like this? And it's it's a challenge, and that's why
I say twenty twenty six is probably what you ought
to be looking for, But right.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Now it's too little.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
It's fight, you know, fight, compete every day and see
where you end up. But I just think for being
realistic about this and looking at the fact that who
have you beaten?

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Bad teams, last place teams? Not you. You haven't won
two in a row yet.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
I mean we haven't met about five hundred for over
a year.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, we can't even take you seriously till you win
two in a row and get five hundred.

Speaker 5 (25:55):
Haven't beat a team with the winning record, haven't been
over five hundred.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Okay, they can do all of that.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
This weekend, Holliday, that eleven day stretches, it's going to
determine a lot. This eleven day stretch is going to
determine a lot, not only for this but for next
year too.

Speaker 8 (26:07):
You told me that other stretch with where was it?
It was the Cardinals and somebody is, somebody is. That
was a good determined us a lot.

Speaker 7 (26:14):
That was before corn and Williams got here, And that
did discmin it a lot because here they are, yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Yeah, And it's the World Champs and they they just
know how to win close games, and the Cowboys did.

Speaker 8 (26:28):
But I think it's gonna be fascinating game though, because
you know, they finally look like they got the defensive
line they can handle at least stand up to Philadelphia.
And Philadelphi has been offensively challenge. Cowboys is usually good offensively,
even though this is a terrific defense.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
So Philly is the tough, physical team the Cowboys want to.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Be, not beout it, especially on defense. Yeah, certainly in
the World Champs something they want to be as well.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
There's a whole lot He's hold a lot over there, Philadelphia,
and we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
But Sunday is going to be an excellent opportunity for them.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
So I asked Da Marion overshown yesterday about his body.
Is it ready for three games in eleven days? Could
they possibly put you on a pitch count. He's like,
I'm gonna be ready to go.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
He's not gonna say no.

Speaker 8 (27:12):
I was gonna say he agen zero. Wait, hey man,
you got four games and eight days. Can your body
handle it?

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Which which comes back into my thing of who who
is there to to put him on the pitchcownt and
reel them in because to come off an injury and
to take your body through that that that seems like
a whole lot to me.

Speaker 7 (27:32):
Yeah, Shunenheimer's done a really good job. I think with
these these guys that are coming in with understanding their
pitch counts.

Speaker 6 (27:38):
Revel is another one.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (27:39):
I think they're gonna be really smart about these guys
over the course of this eleven day stretch, no doubt what.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
Over Shown also said when the game needs to be one,
I need to be on the field. When it's time
to win the game, I need to be on the field.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
And that's it.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
That's a tough one because you're a young guy and
you want you want all that. You want that energy,
you want that focus. You want a guy that cares
that much. You know, you don't want that Missie Smith
kind of thing. You want to do the actually come back.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Check Chris and Nale kind of thing. Boy. Uh So
that's where is it? The training staff is it? Is it?

Speaker 6 (28:08):
You know?

Speaker 2 (28:09):
The linebacker course, man, who's the person I.

Speaker 8 (28:11):
Think, who's who always telling them to come in? I
mean that's why you just that's why you're on a
pitch count they tell you when to go in.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I ain't worried about that, Okay.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
I mean I think Britt Brown takes care of those guys.
I think he's I think he's willing to be honest
with the coaches on behalf of the players. That's his responsibility.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
That's what he gave it.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
Seriously, Oh do you think and I just why he
was here for since a Tom Landry years.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, I just I just I just look at a
guy like overshowing it. Hey what I some.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
People want to hear, but my mind thinks about twenty
six at this point in time, twenty twenty six, you
could you could have a you've got you're putting together
some pieces here that that that can fit and be what.

Speaker 8 (28:50):
The every coach we've ever said, be where your feet are?
Your feet are in November twenty twenty five. Man, sure, sure, okay,
that's b where your feet are Now. If you don't
want to, you shouldn't open up his window.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
But I shouldn't.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
You can't play scared in football. You either play, but
you're still gonna put it on a pitch count. That's
how I make that's not being scared, that's looking at player.

Speaker 8 (29:10):
Okay, but you can get hurt on play one of
the pitch count, play fifteen of. It don't matter if
you're out there playing in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Ads.

Speaker 8 (29:18):
Uh, there's a chance you're gonna get hurt no matter
how much we try to protect you.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
I'm sorry, I don't look at me like that. You
won't play tidy Winks. I'm still going to go to
the tidy Winks court. But this is the football. It's
a grown man over here.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Okay, you can get hurt, and guess what on Sunday,
he's still gonna be on a pitch count.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
With all that, we can get hurt here, and there's
still gonna be on a pitch count.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Right, that's just being smart, that's being smart with Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
But you can still get hurt on a pitch count.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
I understand the risk you can go out here, and
I don't understand the disagreement you guys have.

Speaker 6 (29:47):
I'm confused as well.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
I don't think you necessarily disagree with each other.

Speaker 8 (29:51):
I'm just saying you're trying to protect him, and I'm
trying to tell you can't protect and I'm telling you.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
It is your Jacke and limited is exposure.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
That's but the fact that you limit it don't mean
you don't get hit by the cup three games and eleven.

Speaker 7 (30:05):
But Steve Kerr made a good note a couple of
couple of days ago talking about how the change and
pace in the NBA and starting seasons has been so
much more rough on guy's bodies because of that, that's
why you're seeing all these calf injuries.

Speaker 8 (30:18):
And the United things like you to place of basketball
was like three times as fast in the sixties.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
Yeah, okay, anyway, comparing it to what it has been
over the course of the previous half decade. You take
these guys who haven't played in ten eleven weeks, throw
them out there thirty snaps. That's probably good, but you're
throwing them out their fifty sixty snaps. That's more pressure
on what they're feeling. I talked to Revel the day
after the game. He's like, yeah, little sore is a
different sowred than on what I felt before. So he
like played eighteen snaps.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
So it's I.

Speaker 7 (30:45):
Understand now where you're coming from. I get where you're
coming from. I get where you're coming from to, but
I think there has to be some sort of oversight.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
I'll put it this way. It's risk versus being risky.
When we all leave here, we're getting on this freeway,
that's taking a risk. We're gonna take a risk because
something could be happening. It could be bad. Now, if
we've got up here and had a quarter gin, that's
being risky as hell. Something bad really is gonna happen.
So that's my thing you're talking about. Man, it's risk

(31:14):
you go here. Yeah, but I'm saying being risky, risk,
be risky to sit up here and say, hey man,
go play fifty snaps, that's being risky. The risk is
always going to be there. Hey man, let's manage it.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
Hey man, Trey Greenlaw got hurt walking it running out
onto the field. He didn't even get on the field.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
See that, this man, dream me difficult?

Speaker 5 (31:36):
This okay, It's okay man, Just because you like that's
why we limited his playing time.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
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Speaker 4 (34:06):
It's the Thursday Cowboys getting ready to face the Philadelphia
Eagles on Sunday at Jarro. We got the author and
former Cowboy beat writers Jean Jacques Taylor Edward of the
Hall of fame. Waat B we got Nick Harris the
fourth Star Telegram. I am NEWI scruggs ed what Nick Sirianni.

(34:27):
Don't know the guy, but just when you see him
on team just about the facts. You don't know the man.
You know you see him on TV like this dude, Man,
this dude. But he's a Super Bowl champion, just coached
the Super Bowl twice. You just pulled out a pretty
good stat about how good the Eagles are when they
win the turnover battle under Nicks area.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
Which they did Week one against Dallas. They are forty
and two. They win ninety five percent of the time
under Nick Sirianni when they win the turnover battle, and
that includes a six and zero record this year.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
How do you view him amongst it NFL coaches right now?

Speaker 5 (35:03):
I don't know. It's it's hard to judge him. He's
had a lot of success. I mean he like in
terms of winning percentage in the first four years as
a head coach, he's like ranks among the top five.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Ever, how much credit do you give him?

Speaker 5 (35:15):
Well, they've they've forced him to change his coordinators multiple
times on both sides of the ball. Now, you can't
you're not better off than having Vic Fangio calling your
defenses right, correct, So he's benefited from that, but he's
on like his fourth or fifth different offensive play caller.
So it's remarkable that they've been able to continue winning. Now.

(35:35):
They had the huge collapse two years ago and then
they got bounced out of the playoffs by what was it,
Tampa to have the first round on the road. Remember,
it looked like they were going to win the division handling.
All of a sudden, the Cowboys won it because Philly
closed with five losses in six games. But so I
don't think he's really an offensive strategist or he would
be calling the place he's Yeah, well he's not. I

(35:57):
think he's kind of the guy who creates the attic
and he manages the crisis.

Speaker 8 (36:05):
Okay, maybe that, but he ain't got no control over
his quarterback, I don't think, all right.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
So so that's what I mean.

Speaker 8 (36:12):
He's like he's a weird dude because I don't think
he's in charge of anything.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Well, he's engaged with the fans at times when that
wasn't a good look for him and has probably created
a lot of negative optics.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
So let's put Andy Reid in his whole separate category here,
multiple super Bowl winner here, But you just thinking about
guys who won championships. Mike Tomlins got Super Bowl ring.
It's coaching now, Sean Payton, John Harbaugh, Sean McVay, Sean McVay,
Carol pet Carol. Where do we view him in.

Speaker 8 (36:44):
This who easily last on your second hand?

Speaker 7 (36:50):
You think about he's been a CEO head coach over
the course the last couple of years. Right, he doesn't
call any place. He just you know, makes game management decisions.
He's one of the worst game managers in the league
with when Sirianni is your head coach or you're playing
against Nick Sirianni, you always have a chance.

Speaker 6 (37:03):
He tried to do it against Detroit last.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Week, like John Harbor. He tried to do it like
John Harbor.

Speaker 6 (37:08):
Was unreal.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
I mean's anybody giving up second half double digitally like
John Harbo?

Speaker 6 (37:12):
At least he's had nothing.

Speaker 8 (37:13):
We're talking about strategically, like you can give it up,
but sometimes you just do some things.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
And Dan Campbell's had moments where he's done.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
That for sure, for sure, And then I would put
Sirianni above Dan. Dan Campbell, I would, but.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Ahead of and okay, I go back to horrible.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
I look at this thing now with horrible because I'm
really just trying to Yes, he's had a lot of
winning seasons, but he's only gone to one super Bowl
and even then, you know, right it wasn't for the
power out is and that that was a questionable call
at the inze. I'm wondering, Okay, right now, I would
take Sirianni over John Harbor.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
That's me. Yeah, that's you.

Speaker 10 (37:47):
You can have that.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I ain't taking it.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
Yeah, I'm not either.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
I respect the opinion, though, I like your gud has
gone super Bowl two times and when he lost the
Kansas City.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
What do I just give all the credit for Philadelphia
success to Howie Roseman.

Speaker 7 (38:01):
I was gonna say, John Harball if he had Howie Roseman,
where does it?

Speaker 6 (38:04):
Where does it?

Speaker 10 (38:06):
Guy?

Speaker 14 (38:06):
He knows?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
So did you?

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Daddy's got Eric Tacosta now like they get players.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Nick, you better be careful after the show. What hope
you got that? Kevla.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
I'm putting. I'm putting how He Roseman above Ozzie. I'm sorry,
I am, I am one hundred percent doing that. I'm
a hundred percent doing that.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
You're on crack.

Speaker 6 (38:26):
I'm one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Jonathan Ogden, No, I didn't. I said, freaking no, I'm not.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
I never run that back.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
But you know, I know what I said. I know
what I said. Jonathan Hogden, Ray Lewis ed Reed, and Jackson.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yep, I was gonna say you can get something, Huh.
I mean Adam Dudes was old. Yeah, Hall of Fame.

Speaker 14 (38:49):
How many rings for Ozzie two? I mean for Howie two.
I don't think it's you're you're trying to say, it's
not a conversation. It's certainly a conversation.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Ozzie knew some what Ozzie did when he was carrying
Belichick up there Cleveland too, and some of the players
that they drafted. Ozzie knew some's career, what he's done
in this league.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
How he's good, should be a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
But Ozzie knew some could be in the Hall of
Fame based on what he's done just as a general
manager alone, that organization moving from Cleveland to Baltimore and
everything that they did. And then you start to look
at people that he's also developed. The cost is good
learned from Ozzie Shaq Harris went down to Jacksonville, they
started to win a lot of game he.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Was under when he was just a special teams coach.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Phil Savage, Hell, Ozzie, I wanted to hire Jason Garrett,
and Jason Garrett said no because he'd rather sit here
and snaked up. Uncle Wage.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
Okay, why, I think you're the only one going to
be back next.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
Week and we'll have an entire Howie Roseman show. How
about that?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
How he's really good? I like Howie how He's good.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
But Okay, I mean, I don't think you can. I
don't think you can separate Sirianni. I can't separate Sirianni
from the success the Eagles have had. They did, they
won twenty four out of their last twenty seven games.
They figured out a way to play on offense last
year when it seemed like they were going the wrong directions.

Speaker 8 (40:22):
When when when the Cowboys were winning Super Bowls and
going to the NFC championship games at the night, how
much credit we give in Switzerland.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
I give him credit for not screwing it up.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
There's something to be said right now, that's that's the
same kind of credit Syrianne is giddy.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
I'd put I put switzeran Sirianni in the same boat. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I don't know. Syrianna never cared again into the airport.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
That you know of, that I know of.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (40:51):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (40:53):
I don't think Switzer ever blew a three possession lead
with what was the five and a half minutes left
was a couple of years ago, during that losing streak
in twenty three, but he.

Speaker 8 (40:59):
Did the same failed play twice on back to back
place and his own thirty.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
Here's ahead of his time, looking, guys, you're doing that
all the time now.

Speaker 6 (41:06):
I love Switzer.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
He was a revolution. I love Switzers.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
So are we done on Sirianni?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I think we just can be done. It's good.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Is good. He won a Super Bowl last year with
Kellen Moore calling the plays Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I don't know that alone alone might put him in
the Hall of Fame. It's a good place.

Speaker 8 (41:28):
In the week anyone with Big Don on the sideline,
you know, fake tough guy.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
We'll take tough guy.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Oh boy, we'll do it again next week, guys, take Harris.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
Thank you good, thank you doing I appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
Thank you, ed Warder, thank you Thank you Jock for
the two segments you participated.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Thank you. I know he scruts. Am I getting paid?

Speaker 6 (41:47):
Three?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yes, you're gonna get the full note.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
This is how that's how.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Jerry does it.

Speaker 9 (41:51):
Man.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Can we vote on that trayvons get paid Like in
baseball they vote on shares for World Series wins. Could
we vote on his share CD and.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
Pick it's got their full game check exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
It's a media mash. Goodbye.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
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