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February 26, 2025 46 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys, This is Mediamash, a roundtable of Cowboys insiders trumping
wisdom and offering sizzling takes on the.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Current state of your Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Now your host knew, he scrugs.

Speaker 5 (00:26):
Media mash coming your way. We've got the.

Speaker 6 (00:30):
Hall of Famer Edwarder here.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
The most trusted is Clarence Hill and Jack Taylor back
in the house with the national champion.

Speaker 6 (00:38):
I'm waiting on the ring. I'm just waiting on. We
need to go to show the swag, give it.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
The true big chain on.

Speaker 6 (00:43):
I mean, I'm a grad, but I did not order
the sixty nine ninety five Justin's ring. Okay, I looked
at it.

Speaker 7 (00:50):
Can you can you know how much I looked at it.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Where's the where's the decimal point?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hey, I'm I would recommend it. It was in the
between the nine.

Speaker 7 (01:02):
They got a shirt, already got his shirt, got I
got sweatshirt.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
For the office, for the for the j j T
Media Group office. I would suggest a Ohio, big ring.
That's a paperweight.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Now he got, I mean he's one a few in
his lifetime.

Speaker 6 (01:16):
We got three in the last twenty years. We feel
good about that.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
This is true.

Speaker 6 (01:21):
Now we didn't lost three or four.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
How much you contribute to the n I L.

Speaker 8 (01:26):
I have, I have.

Speaker 6 (01:27):
They've got to check from me, really, I guess betweens.
But they got a check.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
What find to get some tuition?

Speaker 6 (01:38):
They got a check they find to get some tuitions.
You bought donuts one day, a buck nuts, baby buck nuts,
but nuts, yes, yes, yes, yes, the Buckeye Blitz.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
That they have the greatest ice cream there in Ohio.
Very good, I am new, He scrugs here. All right,
lots to get to. Let's start with the combo.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, all right, Clarience is going tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Clarence is going tomorrow. That that old city, Dallas money
is strong. So Clarence is going tomorrow.

Speaker 9 (02:07):
What's your prettyem Are you going to stay?

Speaker 10 (02:10):
Now?

Speaker 6 (02:11):
Let's let's not do that. Tell you how to break it.
Chill Media Group for deal, Chill Media Group for deal.

Speaker 7 (02:20):
Anyway, the combine, let's talk about the combine.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Go ahead, bro, you're talking about the combine.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yes, you know, uh, lots of the news come out
of combine. Sertain. Stephen Jones talked earlier this week.

Speaker 7 (02:33):
I'm going tomorrow because uh, Brian shot Number talks Thursday,
UH and Jerry Jones talks Friday, and we'll have off
the record conversation with Brian's shot number on Friday, uh luncheon.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
So you know some nuggets will come out of that,
I'm sure. But Jerry Jones is not Jerry Jones, but
Stephen Jones is giving us. The buzzword of the off season.

Speaker 7 (02:55):
Last year was all in from Jerry Jones.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
This year is select actively aggressive.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Selectively aggressive? What does that mean? What does selectively aggressive
mean to you?

Speaker 6 (03:06):
It?

Speaker 4 (03:07):
And when it comes to it's just it's about their
approach to.

Speaker 7 (03:10):
Free agency, and last year they punted it.

Speaker 9 (03:13):
It means less than all in, right, Well they didn't.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
They weren't all in less.

Speaker 9 (03:18):
I know they weren't all in, But by definition, I
would say all in means more being more aggressive and
being selectively aggressive. And yet I think they intend to
do just the opposite. I think they'll be more aggressive
and more involved, not in any kind of insane way.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
That just means instead of shopping at the dollar store,
they're going to shop at Family Dollar.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Well.

Speaker 7 (03:40):
Well, the thing is, last year they din't even shopping
a dollar store. Let's be honest. They basically punt it.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
And see I would take that as you go to
Niemen's for the clearance track, we'll just go to know
some wreck.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
But you're still going to the even when you go.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
But but you know there's certain stores when you go
at least where's the clearance rack, like you know, Demons
clear boom, the norsetern Racket's gonna be more. It's going
to be a bigger selection, but even a little smaller.
But you know right there boom here.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
I can come see these, Yeah, because they've been shopping
at ross.

Speaker 9 (04:14):
So don't you think we're gonna get our first real
sense of how aggressive they intend to be with the
ohsos diggy Zua negotiations.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
If you're going to be selective, please tell me you're
selectively looking at defensive tackles and you're aggressive there to
be that's that that has to be where.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
That's the way to get your guy done, Lord's cap
figure and you know, show some goodwill towards your gas.

Speaker 7 (04:40):
Well, the question here is this, Okay, first of all,
they have to do more because they have to fill
out the roster. They're like twenty five free agents. I mean,
they don't have any bodies that defensive tackle. They don't
have any bodies at linebacker.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
The whole front sevens.

Speaker 7 (04:56):
You know, they have to they just have to do
things just to fulfill their team before the draft let alone,
you know, get quality guys. I mean, they have to
get bodies on the rocks so they will be more active,
they will do more thing. Now we talk about specific guys.
You know there are Stevens said they are already negotiating
with Osa. You know, right now the Ocean's market is

(05:18):
going to be twenty one to twenty four million dollars.
They need Osa because they don't with with Matthieve.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Foo's the scheme.

Speaker 7 (05:27):
You need three techniques, you need three tickes, you get
have the quarterback. My course to you guys, and I
like OSA third round pick. He's made himself. Get as
much money as you can. I always believe on the
side of the players, getto much moneys you can do.
You believe Osa is a twenty four million dollar a year.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
Player now, but I didn't believe Dak was a sixty
million dollars year. It's not it's what you can I agree,
it's not even that. It's it's if you want to
live in Highland Park, it costs a certain amount of money.
If you want to live in the Sodo, cost certain money.
You want to live in Frisco, cost certain amount of money.
You want a serviceable defensive tackle, it caused a certain
amount of money. Serviceable, he ain't He's above average, he

(06:09):
ain't special.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
And the difference between that is that the quarterback is
more important, and you you have to have a quarterback
and you add no other option scheme.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
You have to have a defensive tackle.

Speaker 9 (06:18):
That's why he went to Chicago. The first thing he
did was trade for Montes Sweat.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:24):
Again, So no, when you look at whatever Osa gets,
we're gonna be like, oh my god, what And it
doesn't matter whether Dallas signs him or somebody else signs,
You're gonna be like, he ain't work.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Is there somebody better in free agency that they can get?

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Maybe Milton Williams uh.

Speaker 9 (06:41):
Because because otherwise if you let him going into draft
a guy, then you really haven't done anything.

Speaker 7 (06:46):
In fact, most drafted defense tackles don't hit their first year.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
So yeah, you just have to come to grips with
I gotta pay you. I don't even want to, but
I have to.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Unless unless there's somebody better, well, unless they've come up
with some type of strategy of free agency and we're
going to you know, do this and this and bam,
there we'll go. I mean, defensive tackles coming from And
that's why I say, that's why it's got to be
a combination.

Speaker 6 (07:13):
Even if you get your boy from Washington.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
You know, I don't know if he's a leader anymore Alan.

Speaker 6 (07:19):
That's what I'm saying, like, okay, fine, but but.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
It's also elite. No, No is also better than Allen?

Speaker 9 (07:26):
Is he better than Buckner? Maybe if you had Buckner
from the Colts.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Those are questions.

Speaker 7 (07:33):
And like I said, Steven said, they already negotiating with
OSA and they want to get a they want to
sign OSA.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Uh and you know, obviously they're gonna but.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
On their terms.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Were always on their turn.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
But they're late to doing all this stuff. They're late.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
They should have signed Hi last year, right.

Speaker 9 (07:48):
Just signed him last year. So signed Michael last year.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
They should have signed You're right, You're right.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
So so I essentially put it this way, so we're
not sending Clarence to school with air Jordan's. We're going
to send Clarence to school with a pair of white
high top Converse and low top pair of purple cons
And that's how we're gonna get you to school.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
That's that's that's what they may have to do.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Got Jordan Zone.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
Ed's going to school with Jordan's. You are not.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
I'm just saying, we go with the cowboys. We're sending
you to school with some cons is what I'm saying.
You know, we got them, got some chucks have cars.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
About the shocks that show the Walmart.

Speaker 9 (08:33):
The other thing it seemed like Stephen went out of
his way to mention was the possibility of making the trades.
Trades are fun, and he talked about making trades like
they did a couple of years ago.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
With Robert Quinn.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Was a good trade then, Gilmour, Yeah, I mean look,
and I'm with that too. You find someone who's, hey, hey,
look you know you may have you know, this player
that's priced out of here. I mean I could see
that that may be your better route, ed than than
saying osa twenty three twenty four million dollars.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
I can see that. But take you giving up giving
up with three or four or five.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Because the team is trying to get rid of them.
They're like you did with Gilmour, it's going to be
in the.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Third day, like mingo. Well you hope. So the Cowboys
on the one, you know.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
I mean they overpaid. They don't spend no money, but
they want to overpaying draft picks for everything. I guess
Number one.

Speaker 7 (09:24):
The good I mean, they're gonna figure out what they're
gonna do to me. The good news is that if
there's a good news is they're already negotiating with Osa.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
They're not waiting. They're already negotiating Rosa.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
And Stephen also said, you know, when we're talking about
Michael Parsons, and you know the idea of waiting like
CD and DAK, you know, there's a chance they could
negotiate early with Michael Parsons. They won't be at the
end of training camp and all that other stuff possibly
getting to deal done because there are no obstacles. In
my interpretation, there are no obstacles from them signing Michael.

(09:58):
Unlike CD, who was way waiting for Jefferson to get
signed to set the market, the market's already set for Michael.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Till Miles Garrett doesn't new deal or totally does doesn't.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
That's fine, but right now the marketing, why you should go.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
I'm saying, why wouldn't he wait to see what happens.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
Because he can set the market himself. I mean, they
know they're gonna set the market. I mean, the bottom
line is, the highest paid defensive player is Nick Bosted
thirty four million dollars a year. The highest paid non
quarterback is Jefferson at thirty five.

Speaker 9 (10:25):
But it's going to be Jamar Chase. The Spigles have
already said they're gonna make it say non quarterback, so
that number is going up.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
That's why what I'm saying is CD himself was waiting.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
Michael doesn't necessarily have to wait, you know, as far
as yeah, he prefers not to. And so go get
it done, Go get it done. Go give him you
know we know what we know, what are the numbers are, Go.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Get it done.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Don't think you're going to find anyone disagreeing with you
about Michael Parsons getting it done early.

Speaker 6 (10:55):
And then looking at.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
And reason I brought it up.

Speaker 7 (10:58):
Stephen put it out there that Paris in the last
year that he said they're they're not they circumstances, Yeah,
they're No, they're those extinguating circumstances are not necessarily there.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
For Michael Parsons, could this be selectively aggressive?

Speaker 4 (11:12):
See?

Speaker 7 (11:12):
To me, selective aggressive does not mean signing your own guys.
And and when that was my problem with all In
because from a financial standpoint, the Cowboys were definitely fully
committed financially when you signed Dak and ceding to those numbers,
but they were already on the team. And to me,
when you said you're all in on improving the team,
improving the talent level, you added nothing. So resigning your

(11:36):
own guys is not improving the.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Teams in your mind, but in their mind.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
No improving the team.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
I'm just telling you, Okay, clearly.

Speaker 6 (11:44):
They have a different thought process from time.

Speaker 9 (11:46):
But Jerry, what did Jerry say at the end of
the season, I paid you know, two hundred and forty
million for Dak?

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Is that all in?

Speaker 6 (11:52):
Is that enough?

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Right?

Speaker 11 (11:53):
That?

Speaker 6 (11:55):
Though? So three of us.

Speaker 7 (11:58):
No, I don't disagree, but we we all have common sense, Okay,
we all know what the quality of the roster was.
When you lose players, you know, replace those players. I
don't care how much money you spend on your own guys.
You are not improving the team. The goal is to
improve the team, improve the talent level, to take the
next step. I don't care how you spend it. In
your mind.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
I got common sense. You're not improving the team.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
Now you know, Dad gone, well, Grandma said, common sense
ain't common Well.

Speaker 7 (12:24):
In this you're not. The goal is to improve the team, Okay.
The goal is not to resign your guys. Yeah, resign
your guys, fill out the roster, but also add talent
so you can take the next step.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
Clarance. The three of us here understand what you're saying,
and you're right.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
And I understand what he's saying.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
And so I'm a guy who came up with the
term selectively.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
No no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
He's one of the.

Speaker 9 (12:48):
Guys signing DAK and CD at the highest level.

Speaker 7 (12:53):
I guess what I'm saying is when I talked to
Jerry about all In, I understood his parameters and I
read stated the question about all In, about putting a
win on the field, improving the talent base, and he
initially said, yes.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
It's not about the future, not about the cap. It's
about I.

Speaker 7 (13:12):
Can go get get the quotes. I get all that
it's about improving the talent. It was after twelve twelve
and five and lost to Green Bay. It's all about
putting improving the talent to win next year. It wasn't
just about resigning your guys. Now they've flipped it, yes
to do that, but that was not their initial statement.

(13:34):
And so the same thing with Select Aggressive. It's it's
still about you know, Stephen, his conversations and his comments
were about putting a win on last year was not
good enough. We want to put a winner on the field.
We want to improve the talent to win.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Do it so claims being most trusted. And you got
Jerry on the all in what what's what's what are
you getting this year?

Speaker 4 (13:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (13:58):
I mean, I don't know if he's gonna pair it with.
He even says you gonna come with someone as we'll see.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
That's why we you know, it's why we're going to
going to the bus.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
That's what the bus.

Speaker 7 (14:05):
We're gonna sit on the bus for an hour and
do a state.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
At the union, drink a little Johnny Walker blue.

Speaker 7 (14:09):
And and and and see what he says and a
lot of times, you know, so again.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
I believe.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
You know, it's about winning now. Okay, you know they
said we look at the draft. You know it should
be about winning now. I know Brian mccar Brian McCarthy,
Brian shot Nam has a four year deal.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
But if they don't have a winning.

Speaker 7 (14:33):
Season to get to the playoffs and you're one, he's
on hot Seaton your two. You know, this whole thing
is a short term proposition.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
It is.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
But at the same time, too, if they don't do
a better job for him, or they do the job
acquiring talent for him that they did for for Mike McCarthy,
they're hurting themselves. I mean, this this man needs help.
And we just talk me about your defensive front here.
What the scheme you want to run is like zimmer

(15:06):
last year. You don't have the tools needed to run it.
The carpenter doesn't have the tools.

Speaker 9 (15:11):
Look at all the guys they lost on the defensive
front last year, and now you don't have Lawrence signed,
Colston sign, oh, Diggi Zuas signed. I mean, if you
look at their meeting schedule in Indianapolis, it's full of
front seven defensive players right now.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Well right now, it's because those are the ones talking today.

Speaker 9 (15:28):
But if you lose all those guys again, even if
you go draft guys for those positions or sign other guys,
if they're lesser players, you haven't major team better, which
was what you were saying.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
And you've got that schedule where you're going against the
AFC West, you're going against the NFC North.

Speaker 9 (15:42):
If you and you're the third best team in your
division on day one, if.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Your front seven isn't good, man, you might be looking
at a top five pick in twenty twenty.

Speaker 9 (15:53):
And they're probably gonna start the year without digs and
probably without overshown.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
So I was showing most likely our DAGs for sure.

Speaker 9 (16:04):
I'm saying you're talking about all that all that talent
on the front seven being potentially gone and those two
players not being there on day one or early in
the season as well, it could be hard to play
good defense.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
Let's take a break. Oh man, Yeah, I need to
be more positive. But the outlot.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Maam Edwarder, Jack Taylor new he Scruggs.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Selectively positive.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I like, yes, let's be selectively positive. Next, how are
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Speaker 6 (18:54):
He scrugs. Okay.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
NFLPA rankings have been out, Edwarder, go ahead and give
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Speaker 3 (19:01):
It was tall or some.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
Let's start with the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Okay, No, that's why I'm met.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
Yes, Okay.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Treatment of families. They got an.

Speaker 9 (19:08):
A great food and dining B plus they like the
food and diners A B plus nutrition dietitian B plus.
Locker room A training room C, training staff C.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
Is that all about the rehabeah?

Speaker 4 (19:25):
It's about the.

Speaker 9 (19:26):
Eight room A minus strength coaches B plus team travel
B head coach. This was Mike McCarthy, not Brian Schinheimer
head coach. A. Ownership B all right in regards to
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(19:49):
willingness to invest in the facilities is eight point five
nine out of ten from Cowboys players, a ranking of
sixteenth out of thirty two owners.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Players feel that.

Speaker 9 (19:58):
Ownership slightly contributes a positive team culture, ranking twenty third
out of thirty two. The players feeling ownership is committed
to building a competitive team selectively aggressive, a rank twenty
fifth among thirty two NFL owners.

Speaker 6 (20:15):
I don't see nothing in there A but no tours
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Speaker 3 (20:18):
Big We just saw a tour go through too.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
Yes, I've waved to them.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
They're very committed to those. They get an A on tour.

Speaker 7 (20:24):
So the training staff training room again, it got a
D last year, so it's better, but it's still low.

Speaker 9 (20:29):
If you look at the Cowboys grade has went from
twelfth to tenth.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
It's right out the tenth the treatment.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
But the training staff, I think was the bottom.

Speaker 6 (20:38):
They want more.

Speaker 7 (20:39):
They like thirty something like that. If you go back,
they just want more. They need more body. They don't
get enough one on one.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Uh. The staff, Yeah, they want more staff and the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
More hands on don't have a large.

Speaker 7 (20:52):
Trending staff and Britt Brown is pretty much the only
guy that does the rehab.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
So where do Washington and Philadelphia rank?

Speaker 9 (21:02):
Washington was the biggest climber. They went from thirty second
the last two years to eleventh this year. And Josh Harris,
the new owner, is number one, and dan Quinn was
ranked number one by his players.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
They all have so far to go because the facility
is a horrible.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, so when in their stadium is horrible.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
Yeah, once they get the facility and their owner was horrible,
it's gonna say dank.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
But no, it's not a last year.

Speaker 7 (21:28):
I'm just saying though, as far as they can only
get so high, even though they got a's with the.

Speaker 6 (21:33):
Owner and the coach, because the facility is horrible and
you knew they were going to ride with dan Quinn,
who didn't like dan Quinn and the Eagles.

Speaker 9 (21:39):
I'm looking them up right now unless you guys already know. So,
so this is I mean, it's like sixteen hundred players
or something.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
I think.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Sevte hundred players what they thought and to give give
their opinions on things.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
I was surprised about the food.

Speaker 9 (21:58):
B Plus I've never had it, so I can't say
the Eagles finished.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Twenty second, Okay, a little bit surprising.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
And look, and this is just me going over to
the training staff. Part of it just being able to
just so people have an understanding. The cowboys can come
here and never have to leave. They can eat right here.
There's food. You can go anywhere to sally what. They've
got a bunch of options. We're all old enough to
remember at Valley Ranch when they brought in grandees. Guys

(22:30):
are eating that. But you can eat here day or night.
There's food here. Even staffers eat here. That's not common
at every facility. But the fact is you can come
to work, get all that you want done, never have
to leave this building if you want to.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
I think the fact that the Eagles graded where it
is tells you that all that and a big deal.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
I mean it sounds good and you want good grades
and all the other stuff.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
But doesn't necessarily affect the performance on the field.

Speaker 7 (23:01):
Yeah, because Kansas City last year was low. I mean,
if you go back to Kansas.

Speaker 9 (23:05):
They had poor facilities too, right, But it had nothing
to do with the product.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Everybody gets to play in a practice in a museum.

Speaker 7 (23:12):
Yeah, so, I mean, all that stuff is cool and
you want to be high up, but does that really
affect when they get losing.

Speaker 6 (23:19):
It's a lot of great college programs that had fantastic
facilities and came win.

Speaker 14 (23:23):
You know.

Speaker 7 (23:23):
And and as much as they want to kick the
training staff, but for and that's really the only thing
they really downgrade on is because they don't have enough numbers.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
That's not why they got injured, you know.

Speaker 7 (23:34):
And I don't think that the lack of numbers you
stop people from coming back faster. You know, that didn't
cause the Cowboys to get injured. With a lot of
people if you look on line, that's why they had
all know, that's not why they had injuries.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Mark Cuban when he first took over the marriage yall
remember when when he upgraded the locker room and upgraded
the facilities and got a nice robes and got a
big chairs. All that stuff that he did to make
things better. It did not result in big time free
agents signing. No one did. Even the food he got
for the team on the road they visited him. Man,

(24:08):
this is great food. I mean, Mark's doing good time.
And Mark thought that was going to somehow you know, reciprocate.
The teams were going, you know, free angs are gonna say,
let me come play. That didn't never happen.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
I think it happened for the forty nine Ers though.

Speaker 9 (24:19):
In the Eddie de Bartelo years when they created the
Niners Dynasty, players were treated incredibly well from the way
they flew to the you know, getting individual rooms on
the road.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
So he Cooke told me when he left New Orleans
he took less money to go to the forty nine Ers.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Because first off, wanted to win ring.

Speaker 6 (24:36):
That was it one.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
But then the second thing he talked about was just
a treatment he took. He took a low deal to
go over there. So they definitely had something going there.
But it did not work for Mark Cuban when it
came to signing NBA free agents. I mean he he
couldn't pull a Chris Paul. He could not get any
of the name brands that he won. He couldn't get
Dwight Howard to come there when he wanted him to.
So to your point, clearance.

Speaker 9 (24:56):
Up, well, here you've got great facilities, a great I
used to play your game home games. You've got take care,
You've got good facilities, good food.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
You got no state income tax? Where are all the
free agents?

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (25:10):
Where at the Texas finished?

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Since then the Texans?

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yes, since Daltons was complained about the tour? What what
the Texas finished?

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Implained about the tour?

Speaker 7 (25:19):
Doctor shows, You don't want to call that big controversy
about the tours.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
And I felt like an animal when I was lifting.
That caused me to drop passes.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Tex fans was coming around here looking to see Dalton Schultz,
and they were coming to see in the.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Way I'm lifting weights and their fans coming around.

Speaker 6 (25:36):
We're at the Texans, big old nogging.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
I'm looking to see if I can find it quickly. Probably.

Speaker 9 (25:40):
I mean they finished sixth, sixth.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Overall, it's not bad.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
That's well, dults, And that was also interesting, that's just okay,
don't he was a different guy, first of all? And
where do you go Stafford? You know Stafford? Different anyway? Yes, yes,
different guy, different guy, So okay, So tenth overall it

(26:09):
comes to treatment for the Cowboys.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
That's good.

Speaker 9 (26:12):
A generally positive opinion of ownership, yes, and an incredibly
high opinion of the coach they fired, Yes, yes, why
would that be? How do you reconcile those two things.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
You're a Hall of Famer and you tell I.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Know, I want wanted to give you guys an opportunity
to shine.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
What do you got most trusted?

Speaker 4 (26:34):
I mean, first of all, they like McCarthy.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
I mean McCarthy has done a did a good job
taking care of the players and taking care of their bodies.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
His schedule.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
You know, he allowed them to stay at home the
night before games, you know, a home game.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
They didn't have to stay at a hotel.

Speaker 7 (26:48):
I mean, he treated the player as well, treated their
body as well, you know, he he he Again, that's
the most disheartening thing for everyone around here. You know
that lost Supreen Bay because they were healthy. He managed
that team, had them as healthy they've been all season.
And to go out there and let an egg against
Green Bay, Uh, that was that was the gut punch.
But he's had them healthy and ready to go. So

(27:10):
the players liked how they treat them. And overall, what
what are they unhappy about? How Jerry Jones has treated
them and the facilities has them playing in and and
how they travel.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
I mean, what's what's.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
Not the like?

Speaker 9 (27:22):
Do you want like should play? Do you want players
who are happy with the coach who takes it easy
on them.

Speaker 7 (27:30):
I mean they, I Meanshington like dan Quinn, I mean,
and dan Quinn talked about this year about how learning
things McCarthy and I treated players, given veterans they are.

Speaker 9 (27:39):
I wonder what kind of great Jimmy would have gotten
players on this kind of thing.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
Well, do they have those?

Speaker 4 (27:47):
They have coaches like that anymore? I mean, are more
more coaches?

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well it's harder now, right, yeah, But.

Speaker 7 (27:54):
But I'm just talking about the dog cussing coaches, the
you know, the coaches that you were afraid to walk
in and talk to.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
And you know, do we have any coaches like that anymore?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
And the facilities have changed so much from the old
Valley Ranch days. I mean, looking back now, you think
about that weight room they had, I mean, high schools
have nicer weight rooms and what the cowboys to have
over Valley rants And then remember they that the racquetball
court got turned into the makeshift breakfast facility.

Speaker 9 (28:25):
Trying to think, is there are there any tyrannical coaches
in the NFL?

Speaker 12 (28:28):
Right?

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Any Carcels, any Sean.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
Payton could can be like that, I think, But then
look who's treat he came off of.

Speaker 7 (28:36):
Yeah, right, But outside of Sean Payton, I mean, I
don't know if any coaches are like that anymore.

Speaker 9 (28:41):
I'm trying to come up with the coach.

Speaker 6 (28:42):
Yeah, I know, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I don't thin Jimmy would have been any different.

Speaker 9 (28:47):
I don't think he would have conformed to the times
just because the times are different now.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I think he'd still be the way he was.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
I think he's changed because just that.

Speaker 9 (28:56):
You don't think he's capable of coaching any other way.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
But you know what, you have been hired. I mean
because look at who they're hiring to.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I mean, you know, Kellen Moore's didn't exist back in
nineteen ninety.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
You know, they didn't have guys like that, not not
a plethora of it.

Speaker 9 (29:12):
Belichick was that kind of guy. So he's coached two
years ago.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
And can't get a job. So are you in college?
You know they don't want that, So it is it
is very interesting. I mean, now you know Pete Carroll
who once got run out, remember he ran out of
New England, and you know, well, Jets, you're not You're
not Bill, you know, as he wasn't Bill and and
now here's here he is coaching again, and Belichick is
not coaching in the National Rabel maybe a little bit

(29:39):
like it.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Yeah, are they rebel?

Speaker 12 (29:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (29:41):
I think Rabel has some of that in it.

Speaker 6 (29:43):
But then Rabel's coming off of belichick tree, So it
makes sense.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Two guys, you know, and he's also patent coming off
being run out of town.

Speaker 9 (29:52):
But we're talking about guys who are hard on players
and demanding of players and insist on accountability.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
McDermott not really, I don't think.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
Okay, I don't know. So I was asking like.

Speaker 9 (30:09):
Jeff Fisher's and those gether. It's hard to hard to
find a handful of even we've maybe found two.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Not a lot of coaches willing to stand up in
front of the group and tell him no more than's
seventy nine booge.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
You don't have make them like that anymore.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
No, no, no, no, where's your Hermit.

Speaker 6 (30:26):
Which we played to win the game?

Speaker 5 (30:28):
I just don't see that right now.

Speaker 7 (30:30):
But I don't know if herm Edman was that guy either.
I mean, he's more of a Tony Dungeon type guy.
They wanted to joke, yeah, because say he played to
win the game. But he wasn't no dog cussing. I'm joking.
I'm joking with herm's time.

Speaker 9 (30:41):
Anyway, What my point is in this whole survey thing
is maybe the players flattering the coach is not necessarily
a good thing ultimately in terms of the results they
deliver for you.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I think so much of it now when I think
about it, it's truly relational. Well, and I think I
get make you better. You know, Jim Harbaugh is making
guys better. Dan Quinn is making guys better. I think
that's where the guys are relating that.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
He made the Cowboys better against Green Bay.

Speaker 7 (31:10):
I mean, because that's that's where this this thing went
off the rails. I mean, and we love dan Quinn,
we love what he does. And you know, and and
and and I guess the overall course you did. The
players let MacArthur down, and McCarthy let him down. And
it's you know, they love McCarthy, and but lately he
had him ready to play, or at least Haddam Elton
not to play.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
That that the coach.

Speaker 9 (31:31):
Didn't look ready to play in any of those playoffs.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
You bring up McCarthy. So what happened against Green Green Bay?
But Dan Quinn, but what do you do is Washington? Okay,
So whatever you thought about the defense that day, erase
all of it.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
Because we just saw it.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
They went to Detroit and won. All right, it's the
number one.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Don't I'm just saying that.

Speaker 6 (31:52):
Maybe it's the atmospheres.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
What it's some Listen, I've been, I've been.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
It's a ninety something.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
It's something.

Speaker 6 (31:59):
It's only bigger than Dad Quinn mac.

Speaker 7 (32:01):
McCarthy and you and Jason Garrett and like Ted Crews
Day Campo.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
And maybe it's the players.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
They it's always the players. Ultimately, Yes, I mean, coaches
can put you in position, but ultimately it's the players
out there playing. Man, it's the players. At a certain
point in the game, somebody got to go make a
play and if you don't make it, then you lose.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
You're correct, Tom Landry put Jackie Smith in the perfect position.
Jackie dropped the ball. Got to be the sickest man.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
Ruined my childhood.

Speaker 13 (32:31):
The boy.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
A whole lot of bruins.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Like I went to the Jason winning the wards the
other day.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
We were talking about all of this, and I was like,
was seven the biggest you know, we're talking about you
were part of.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
This thing and we're giants.

Speaker 7 (32:47):
Yeah, yeah, I wanted to they go to thirteen to three,
but they were winning that game, and you know Patrick,
and he brought Patrick Cragon dropping the ball.

Speaker 15 (32:54):
Which was in the third quarter, you know, you know,
uh because for the car right now, you know, good hand,
you know.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
And then he said, but but he thought that they
had the best shot in fourteen.

Speaker 6 (33:12):
There caught it, does catch it?

Speaker 4 (33:15):
Yeah, I'm just saying, but everybody has that. He was
there on boath teams.

Speaker 6 (33:21):
And the problems is not that de card it didn't
catch it because it's still three or four minutes left.
It was really the DeMarco Murray fumble earlier in the
game where they had a chance to really.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Running through this enormous fool thought.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
I'm like, somebody s.

Speaker 6 (33:38):
Yeah, so I was bringing up case.

Speaker 7 (33:39):
We're talking about players having to make plays and making
these plays, and for whatever reason, it's what Rombo dropping
a snapping. A lot of people felt they felt that
year even that were a wild card teon, they.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Could go to Chicago.

Speaker 7 (33:50):
They go to Chicago, who would be beat that average
Bears team?

Speaker 2 (33:53):
And the Parcels had enough juice to get him passed
out my whole thing. Whenever I hear the desk card game. Okay, fine,
let's take you call it any score, who's getting the
ball back? And who's that same guy who was getting
the ball back? That every time he played the Cowboys,
we alwaysknew everybody died. At the end of the movie
Aaron Rodgers movie, everybody.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
Died and what did you do?

Speaker 10 (34:13):
Catch it?

Speaker 6 (34:14):
Thank you?

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Then he came here to your house. Did it again?

Speaker 2 (34:16):
So why did you think to say, hey, danns Carter,
we're gonna want know you wouldn't have you to die.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Everybody would.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
But if if DeMarco doesn't catch it, that's who I'm
just saying.

Speaker 7 (34:29):
Again, we're only talking about players making plays, but the
coaches set them up. I mean, the Cowboys have had
the opportunity for whatever reason, it just hasn't happened. That's
all the reason I brought up.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
And they live with that.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
They still it's still it's agonizing this day.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
But that's that's every that's every athlete, man.

Speaker 8 (34:46):
Man.

Speaker 6 (34:47):
The problem is that And we talked about last when
when when we talked about the NFC championship streak, every
other team in the league has had their three or
four year run and then they do what they win
their one game, they get did the championship game, or
they get like the Cardinals have been to the Super Bowl, dum. Yes,
you know, the Panthers have been there twice and and
and and when they have their little run, they get

(35:09):
there and they and they have their regrets. You know,
you're the Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Hey, we left the field with the lead, and then
you know Ben Roethlisberger and and Santonio Holmes pulled off magic.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
It happens.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
Problem in Dallas is they've had the opportunities, but they
don't win their one game to get.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
This right and so that but that, I mean, I
just think everybody has those. It's it's the Longhorn fan crime,
like like, hey, hey boy, when they got hurt, they
won to gain Hey hey got hurt.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Hey hey it happened. Hey it has nasty We learned
from you nasty time.

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Right, It's time this here the corgo right you was rolling,
queen sir, have we have to do a break.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
We have to do a final break. Do a final break,
final break?

Speaker 6 (35:54):
I said, So we gotta go to the break. We
do right now, don't here on the medium blue with.

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Okay, uh, well, will the combine ever come down here?
Because I know there were rumblings for a while about
them trying to get it down here.

Speaker 7 (39:49):
And it no, it's been ended for another two years,
you know, and Jerry wants it here, and because it
wants it here, and they have the facilities and everything else. Uh,
Indie is so perfect because it's so walkable, you know.
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(40:11):
ain't the same, you know. And and you know they
got certainly they got the hotels in the area to
get it done. Uh, but the walker buility, like like Arlington,
you know, the hotels are not there. You know, certainly
you can get to the hospitals. But Indie you got
the hospital, you got the hotels, you got the restaurants.

Speaker 6 (40:28):
It wouldn't be it would be here.

Speaker 7 (40:30):
Well, I mean it's talking about both. But yes, but yes,
certainly it would be here. I mean theoretically yes, But again,
I know.

Speaker 9 (40:36):
What reason would they ever have to leave Indianapolis. Nobody
has any complaints about the Indianapolis everything.

Speaker 7 (40:43):
There's some money, I mean Indianapolis, Los Angeles, Vegas.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
They gonna they go where the money's gonna.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Take them, give them Super Bowls.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Reason. That's why they made it a nighttime event. It's
on prime time.

Speaker 6 (40:54):
I mean why the draft is moved around.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Yeah, I mean they moved a draft around. I mean
if somebody, somebody bids and gives him a better offer
to do it.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
This is why games are on Peacock, Netflix and right right, so,
so yeah, I mean they if somehow Jerry comes up
with a sponsor of somebody and and it's and it's
you know, it could happen. But this is basically what
I've seen. The only threat to Indianapolis has been been Fristco.
And we're sitting here right now in this studio and

(41:23):
watching the Shrine Bowl. And they moved the shrinebel from
Ford Center and this year was played on at and
T Stadium. So Jerry showing you that he will he
will be a shark in the tank and try to
get events.

Speaker 7 (41:33):
So yeah, but will it be a shark in the
tank and try to put the best players on the
on the roster to win Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
Can be selectedly aggressive events, you know, sharks are not
so so so.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
And that's the issue is that yes, he will throw events.

Speaker 7 (41:48):
He wants to combine he wants to draft, he wants
the biggest, the greatest facility, and all other stuff, and
they get high Marster.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
That helped the Cowboys become the richest franchise in sports.
When is it be about the main thing?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
So so let me ask this question. Instance, you know
you're going to the combine. That's not going jj T
is not I'm not going, You're going to the cop
will be on the bus. You got Jerry on Friday.
How do you get him to define selectively aggress it?
If he agrees with Steven and then what is I mean,
how do you get this right there on the paper?

Speaker 5 (42:21):
How do we get it defined?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Because last year he had his definition of all in
and your definition were different.

Speaker 6 (42:27):
So how do we get an alignment here?

Speaker 4 (42:30):
I don't know. I e not newly. You know, everything
is fungible, everything's fun.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
But I have a.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Appetitle.

Speaker 9 (42:41):
What is that?

Speaker 4 (42:42):
A ambiguity? You know, tolerance for ambiguity. You know, just
because I said it doesn't make just because I said
this is this is that season? Just because I said
it don't make it. So for sure, you gotta have
a talent.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
It ain't gonna be no alignment though, Okay, you.

Speaker 9 (42:57):
Know, you just have to ask, how does he define
what Stephens said? Or does he selectively aggressive?

Speaker 6 (43:04):
What is that in their rooms?

Speaker 9 (43:06):
Because nobody asked him last year when he said all in,
nobody said, what's all in mean to you?

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Right?

Speaker 4 (43:12):
We did?

Speaker 16 (43:13):
I did?

Speaker 12 (43:13):
I did?

Speaker 4 (43:14):
And then he changed the meaning you put that out
in around my neck. He said, I mean like no, no, no, no,
I'm talking in the moment that he says it.

Speaker 17 (43:21):
In the moment he said it, we did, And then
he changed the meaning because they tried to you know,
they got all sensitive because it went all viral, but
they did. And then pr stad like, that's not yes,
it was I got it, we got it all He
changed the meaning.

Speaker 5 (43:36):
You plastered it around there too. Boy, he carried that
man all in.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
No, we did, we did that, we did. But you
know they but they you know again.

Speaker 7 (43:48):
He has the loudest voice, and he gonna, you know,
obviously going to do what he has to do.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
But but the bottom line is at the end of
the day, the day go in number one.

Speaker 7 (43:58):
But at the end of the day, uh, the goal
should be about putting adding the talent to this roster,
whether it's selective aggressive.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
When Steven talked to David Moore on Sunday.

Speaker 7 (44:08):
When he said selective aggressive, he said they will do
more in the first phase of free agency than they
had to have in the past because they have to
fill out the roster because they have so many free agents.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
They have to be They can't wait.

Speaker 9 (44:23):
I don't want to hear we have to fill out
the roster. I want to hear because we want to
be better and we want to win.

Speaker 7 (44:29):
He said that too. He said that as well, they
want to be better, they want to prove the team,
and they said we have to go back and do
things different. He didn't offer any regrets about it did
thing last year, but he said that we have to
fill hos in fregency so we can be a true
in the draft as they were in past years.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
They're always shopped at the barking basement.

Speaker 7 (44:50):
Bend, but they still filled hoes in fregency where they
could go in the draft and pick the best you
can get.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
It's different.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
It's different now.

Speaker 9 (44:58):
Yeah, they're not coming off a twelve win season and
a disappointing playoff appearance. They're coming off a seven and
ten season. They don't have a coach who's won twelve
games three years in a row, won a super Bowl
way back when they got a guy that most people
in the league, people who coach in the league, may
think that he's earned this opportunity and he can deliver

(45:18):
on it, but generally the football public thinks this is
a disastrous coaching higher. And Jerry has to prove it,
prove himself, right, Like, if he wants to prove that
he got this higher, right, he's got to support the
guy and get him a better roster, agreed, j j
last word on.

Speaker 6 (45:32):
This got No, he absolutely does. And the question is
will he because they talk about it, but they're very
rarely about it.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
Okay, So if you want to get.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
All that information from Clayence Hill, who's going to the
combine for you got that that you got that, you
got that.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Breath a year, that breath year, got that breath.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
It's not a bad deal. We got a spring training
especially right now going on. For basic city doll.

Speaker 6 (46:00):
That's a cost of a cup of coffee over over
the day.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
How much for dollars a year? What do you for
the year? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Not bad okay, And you get a free T shirt,
free t shirt like this The fits twenty dollars.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
You know, T shirt can't even pell Dallas, right, what
kind of cop kind of cotton ells? Thank you?

Speaker 3 (46:22):
That's the price of a shrimp cocktail.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
He didn't murder with that beautiful Cowboys Golf Club shirt.
I like that, like that purple lavender lavender.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
So yours is purp family.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
It is a purple family. Yes, it is John Jack
Taylor for I have new in strutch for Chris Bean Jazz.

Speaker 10 (46:36):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (46:36):
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