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February 12, 2025 46 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The following.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
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the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is media match, a roundtable of Cowboys insiders trumping
wisdom and offering sizzling takes on the current state of
your Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Now your host new He scrugs.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Media match time, and whole lot of stuff going on
since Sunday night when the Philadelphia Eagles destroyed the Kansas
City Chiefs in New Orleans. All right, roundtable, Let's begin
with the national champion. He is the Ohio State alum,
Jean Jacques Taylor.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Joe Hoyt.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
I said, Dallas Clarence Hill, my dog dog team makes
sci fi legend in the house.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I am merely knew. He scruggs here to facilitate the conversation.
So how did they go last week? I did missed
it last week? Y'all do it? So last week? Yes,
how did it go? It was good?

Speaker 4 (00:58):
You were missed. It was here, It stepped in your spot.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
It took your role as instigated, agitated, agitated. He's not
quite as good as the villain role.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
But look and did his Black History Month imitation?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Wow? Was up? Was up? But that's all right.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
I'll ask around the table, start with you, Clance. The
Eagles winning does that really matter to Jerry at all?
For the second time here in the last few seasons
that they've won the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Do you like those three Super Bowl rings? Did you
like them? Do you like them very much?

Speaker 3 (01:38):
They still got one less than me?

Speaker 5 (01:42):
Does it or should it? I guess you said does it?
I'm gonna answer should it? Because I don't think it
bothered Jerry because he's continued to win at the box office,
will continue to win and in all the other areas.
But to me, the Eagles winning, uh uh. And this
whole season has been a referendum on how the Cowboys

(02:03):
have done business over the last few years. Is the
third Super Bowl in the last seven years, certainly with
Cowboys after losing the Green Bay not necessarily going all in.
And Jerry will tell you we're a committee that everyone
is committed can be because we paid deck of the
tap of the market, paid CD of the top of
the market. That's different than going all in and adding

(02:28):
pieces to improve your team. And so it's a semantics thing.
But you look at the Eagles and they paid their
quarterback the top of the market. They paid the two
receiver at the top of the market paid three or
four offensive alignment.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Certainly they have drafted well.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
If you look at the guys in that defense is
filled with draft picks. But they've also added players and
phrases at eight starters in the Super Bowl who were
not drafted by the Eagles eight starters. Cowboys had three
starters out of twenty two who were not drafted. And
that just tells you you have to be able to
supplement what you do in the draft with adding pieces

(03:06):
in freegancy, which the Cowboys have not done since Brandon Carr,
who have not committed to friendness and you talk. But yeah,
they've done some piecemeal things with Brandon Carr. But no,
the Eagles paid big money for Brice huff in French
last year.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
It was a horrible miss. He was inactive for the
Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
They didn't blink because they're gonna sign somebody this year.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, but I'm.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Saying that they also signed other guys though they don't
let one miss, you know, shake them say that we
can't do this anymore, you know.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
And Brandon Carr wasn't even know miss. He was just
a good player.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
Yeah, but they don't let the shake them in their
boots and make them afraid. So you have to if
you're going all in this thirty year We got to
quit talking about balancing the budget and pie and there's
so much pie and doomsday. Cowboy fans are tired. It's
time to win. Do what it takes to win. You
have a small window with Dak in a year deal. Yeah,

(04:01):
see the a four year deal. You know we've been
talking about this window with the window is now this
is it?

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Four years with your quarterback and you really starting ope, Joe.
Should it matter to Jerry Jones at the Eagles have
won the Super Bowl again?

Speaker 6 (04:14):
Yeah, No doubt it should.

Speaker 7 (04:15):
And I think we talked with Howie Roseman first night
of Super Bowl week and one thing he says, I
don't make doomsday plans. I don't fear the reaper because
one thing that's been talked about here is, hey, eventually
the Eagles are have to pay the piper. Right, Well,
if you're going to pay the piper and you have
two rings on your fingers, I don't know if it
really matters because they keep making plays outside of the draft.
To your point, you kind of look at some of
those defensive linemen, because I think that that was kind

(04:37):
of the story of the game, was how good that
defensive line got after Patrick Mahomes without blitzing. You're looking
at Milton Williams, who was not a first round pick.
You're looking at Jalix Hunt, not a first round pick.
Josh Swett was a fourth round pick that was drafted,
kind of took a while, and now developed these about
to get paid. I think if the Cowboys are gonna
try to emulate the Eagles, you're gonna have to do
some things beyond the draft. And I think other teams
are noticing too. Joe Burrow even said today, like, hey,

(04:58):
the Eagles seemingly are paying every why can't we do that?
He was talking to his ownership, and we know we
know why. But that's what he's saying is I'm getting
frustrated by the fact that we're not making.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
Moves like the Eagles.

Speaker 7 (05:07):
If the Cowboys want to play on the same levels
the Eagles, they got to make moves like the Eagles.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
He should be upset, but he's not. I mean, I
don't think because there's no ramifications people who I mean
when they're ramifications you feel urgency when there's no ramifications.
You can talk about urgency, but you don't really feel
it because what's gonna happen nothing that what's going to
change really literally nothing. Stadium gonna be fool, My pocket

(05:33):
is gonna be fool. I'm gonna talk about how we
trying to win the super Bowl, but ultimately there's no
ramifications if we don't. So, yeah, I wish the Eagles
somebody other than the Eagles have won, but they want so,
you know, on to this year where you know my
quarterback is talking about, yeah, we were close to win the.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Super Bowl, speaking of the quarterback, and I go, they
get beat like eighty to ten last year in two games,
seventy five to thirteen.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Okay, what are we talking about? So and don't tell
me that Deck didn't play because the mother when the
guys played, he got dug up.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
On your Twitter page, which is one of the more
entertaining pages in all of sports entertain please.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Make sure you check in on the Clariance his page.
Somebody said to you, since Jalen won the Super Bowl,
they said he was a better quarterback, and you said
he's not. Jalen Hurts is not a better quarterback than
Dak Prescott.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
I didn't, Stu.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
I mean, certainly QB Wins is not a quarterback, stat right.
I mean, are we at that point where we say
that because you win the Super Bowl to make your
better quarterback.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
We can't we be maturre enough to say that, definitely?

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Right?

Speaker 5 (06:36):
All of that, you know, he want I mean, and
the thing about that Dak hate is that the other
people he's trash.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
He's he did, he's dad. He just the man.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Was that if people running up just a year ago,
Jalen Hurts was an MV. I'm just talking about this
year ago. I'm talking about Dak. I'm gonna focus on that. Well,
we put their careers and put the numbers together. Dak
has been a better quarterback, Jalen hurt says, better people
around him, There's no question about that.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
You know, they're not saying, like.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Jerry, because you make this much money, you got to
do more with less.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
No, they're giving him more.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
They give him two first round receivers, they give him
a running back that's had the best season. They're given
the best offense line in football. They give him a
number one defense. You know, uh So, I mean if
you want to just talk football, what Dak does as
a quarterback is better. He's a better quarterback. Is his numbers
are better throughout his career. It's not a one year thing.

(07:29):
Everybody would certainly when Jalen Hurts had that that phenomenal
year when Ledb's to the super Bowl, there was He's.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
No, that's one year. Let's put it all together.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Let's put their whole careers together, and who has the
better numbers is Dak Preskay, Yes, Jalen Hurts has been
better in the playoffs, his team has gone from the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
That does not make him a better quarterback. You know.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
And to your point earlier when you were talking about
Dak's the lose because Dak talked about being close and
not close, it's a perception. Okay, it's a perception when
you have won two division times the last four years,
after long, when when you have consistently beat that team,

(08:06):
just like the Cowboys beat Washington this year, just like
they got boat raced by the Eagles. They beat Washington
this year with the backup quarterback. Okay, those twenty two
without d they don't feel that they're further away from
Washington Philadelphi. Even though those two teams were in the championship.
Whether it's whether it's real or magic.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
They don't feel what I'm I mean, if you ever
seen a team your twenty six years say we're not close.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
No, no, no.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
My point is, though it's not just we're not closed,
is that I know these guys.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
I played these guys.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yes, this year they weren't closed, But the last four
or five years it's pretty much the same teams. They
know Dakins had was nine and four against Eagles in
his career.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
They have success. Now again that's them on the inside.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
On our side, we Saturday built this team, this Eagles
team this year is different than those teams.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
But internally, you're gonna fill your close.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
You're gonna feel that you can compete with those teams
because you have competed with those teams.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
All right, So let me push back a little bit here,
just for the exercise. Remember last week you and I
were talking about the general managers, and Ed said that
Jerry moved up the general manager rankings as an ego trade.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
And in DFW, not not an NFL.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
And then we said you were talking about who was
the best GM, and Jack said it was Jim Nil
of the Stars, and I said, no, it's Chris Young.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
I said, Chris Young got a championship.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
And then you talked about the consistency of Jim Neil
and basically what he's done. I wonder if that's the
same thing right here that you're talking about Dak in
his consistency in a Jim Nil type of way, and
Jalen Hurts and the person who hit hit you up
on social media saying, wait, mane, this man just won
something that puts him above That's that's kind of.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
What I mean. You listen, but I mean close listen.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
We're argue I'm marketing as cloud because most people going
to say he wanted super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Look at the playoff success.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
You know in the story, you can also say that
what was the whole game plan.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Stopping Berkley for make Jalen Hurts beat us? Right?

Speaker 3 (10:14):
And why do you say that because you don't think
he can.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
That's a Bill Belichick rule, right, I mean, your best
your best player is not gonna beat me.

Speaker 8 (10:22):
Now.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Are they gonna say that about other quarterbacks? No, because
they respect him at a higher level.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
I would definitely say if you're talking about if you're
playing Jalen Hurts, if you're playing Jared Goff, if you're
playing Dak, that there's going to usually beat Hey, let's
make that player beat us.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
That's you know, so I mean, Jayalen Hurts is cool.
Jalen Hurts plays good in big games.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
He does.

Speaker 7 (10:44):
And then the one question though about Dak Prescott is
how well could he play in the big games? Going
further down the road, And you don't ask that question
about Jalen Hurts anymore.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
And isn't that okay? Isn't that the name of the game.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
It is playing winning championships and playing big and big games.
And and lord knows all of us have read the
dark comments when we've put stuff out where people say,
let him win a.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
Big game, right, but see that we always moved to
go post what you call it with the big Its
not a big game.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
It's only a big game to lose. It's not a
big game.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
Beating Tampa Bay in the playoffs, having to you know,
damn the perfect quarterback race career was not a big game.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Beating Sea out of the playoffs. Here wasn't a big game.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
Going total cold against Aaron Rodgers as a rookie and
losing because the defense gave him a third and thirty
is not a big game.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Okay, it's only when it loses. This a big game.
So I mean that's that's semantics.

Speaker 9 (11:33):
You know.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
It's like, you know, for years there were people in
San Francisco saying the forty nine quarterback was better. They
know he was, he had a better team around it.
They were never they never didn't ask him to win games.
The Cowboy was asking that they have to win games.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Through that. It's a two totally different things.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
But again, until Dak wins, it's a losing argument, you know,
on this side, because people are all gonna look at
the end resulting for the Cowboys, the only result that
matters is playoffs success.

Speaker 7 (11:59):
To this point, yeah, I agree with you, But I
think for the first time in their two careers, Jalen
Hurts has something over Dak Prescott now, not no doubt.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
I mean, yeah, he can have it. For the first time.
When he went to the Super Bowl, he had you know,
he's been having that.

Speaker 7 (12:10):
But even there was questions of like, okay, you still
haven't won of them, but he got there.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Dak hadn't gotten there. Dak hadn't got you, but I.

Speaker 7 (12:17):
Think getting over the ultimate hump it gives you and
he answers.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
And again with the yeah he played well.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Yeah, but again the Eagles, that's just a complete team.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Man.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
You know, I go back, you know, you know, Dak
gets his butt kicked, bad player performances, but you look
at who else has played well in those games. You
go back to San Francisco, the two interception when Tony
Pollack got hurt. You know, Michael Parson didn't have a sack.
Zeke's playing full back. Uh yeah, uh, you know Trevon
Diggs turned down attacking and dropped the pick. I mean

(12:47):
you need your player. I mean you got to have
your guys show up. You know, Eagles have guys show up.
And it wasn't It's like the Super Bowl. It wasn't
a Jaylen Car It was a Milton William and Jayen
You know you.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
Know what did what did A J. Brown tell me
on Monday?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (13:01):
Howie Roseman, is the real reason why we're here and
why we're gonna win? And guess what that hell true?

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Kellen Moore, now named the New Orleans Saints head coach.
Is there any regret for this?

Speaker 1 (13:13):
In a sense.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
We know Jerry in the past has regretted Sean Payton
getting out of the door.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
In your opinion, jubject tap.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
It can't be a new regret because all you had
to do was wait another week. Yeah, can't be any regret.
I mean, you had your twenty seven minute conversation with
him if you wanted it. They I mean they didn't
know kelln did. They had short They just didn't want killing.
Now we'll see if Kevin can do all the things
hey coach can do jo.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (13:37):
I don't think anything should change just because Kellen Moore
is now a super Bowl champion. Frankly, I think they
had their opportunity. They've had multiple opportunities in order to
keep him. They decided to him and Mike weren't gonna work.
They split ways there. They said, hey, you know what,
We're going to talk to you for a cup of
tea and see how the family's doing and do it
virtually and say, you know what, never mind, we're gonna
go with Brian Schottenheimer after that. I think there should
be no regrets. It was a decision they made long

(13:58):
before he became a super Bowl champion, and.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
Regret would come you know in the coming years if
there's going to be in a regret. But the bottom
line is this, and I tweeted as soon as he
got the head coaching job but said that and I
and I said it before, you know, when they were
making a shot Nimer.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
You know, you can sell if you're going to sell anything.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
And that's the problem with the coaching high because it's
hard to sell a shot.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Okay, I'm sorry, you know it.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
There's been a whole hum hire listen, like the guy,
loved the guy, his career arc but it's it's but
you can sell Kellen Moore super Bowl champion, super Bowl
getting to it now, super Bowl champion, off of the
coordinator to the fan base if you're trying to sell
something different, because right now, what are we selling going
into the next season?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
You know what, hope I'm based.

Speaker 7 (14:46):
On what what's the foundations and the whole the assistant
coach that's not.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
That's not foundation.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Jerry told me it was his his two decades and
he said he's had his nose bloody.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
Yeah, because he's failure. Somebody selling this failures. Okay, that's
what you're saying. You're selling this struggles let's not hope.
You know you're selling this struggles. But what I'm saying
is something something tangible you could have sold, was, Hey,
we got the struggles of Kellen Moore getting kicked out
of here, having struggles going tost and winning the Super

(15:18):
Bowl and and and really bringing some of that to us.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's something you could sell. You don't want the text
Cobs story for Brian Schottenheimer.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I don't care about.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Again. Yeah, but we don't know. You don't know. I'm
just talking about from what we know.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Now, you thinking, I mean, now you're the cowboys you
think he is.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
I'm the same they thought they thought they Campbo was good. Okay,
Now I'm just saying.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
You and then you tell me you come right back
thinking they What I'm saying is you don't know, and
we don't know Bill John's Ben John's is gonna be good.
But my point is at this point, you're just trying
to sell something to me. You're trying to sell you
need to be trying to sell something to your family.
You're you're trying to why this is gonna be there?

(16:03):
When you got rid of Mike, you really wanted to
keep Mike, but you let you let you didn't keep
Mike because you couldn't get on the same page on years, okay,
and so you fell back into kell. I mean to Shottenheimer,
what are you selling that's gonna be different other than they.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Told you he was selling his daddy was almost a champion.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
So let us love it, break, let's let's leave it.
Is he really a legend? Yes? Yes?

Speaker 6 (16:29):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Other games in this league, Martey Schoenhammers never won a title,
He never won a title.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Kept him from winning title?

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Don Coriell was was you know super Bow just asking
Ernest Binner for the fumble? I mean, so Marty shot
fourteen and one and forced to good finish. But Mark
as a coach, I mean the year he went eight
tonight in Washington one year?

Speaker 1 (16:48):
What a good coach show?

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Now last, if he was a legendary.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
He's a Hall of Famer? Yeah, which is gonna put
him in the legendary? Guy? Is it? Is it fame?
He's in the Hall of Fame. He'll get Is there
no titles? Yes? How many coach in Hall of fan
with no titles? How many coaches Hall of Fame with
no title? George Allen, it's.

Speaker 6 (17:06):
One that he's got one.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
But he can create the league? Did he? He just
had the Overenheill game and then he had crazy he
where you come from? He was with the Rubs, ask
but he had a whole lot to do with it. Coriel,
but he got to the Super Bowl. George Alias got
to the Super.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Bowl with the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Coriel got a whole offensive system name yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
But he had a system. Yeah, the coreo. I just
gave you that name.

Speaker 6 (17:32):
Marty Balls, the thing Marty Balls are stopping, which.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Didn't take a break when I come back.

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Media, Mash back with you here. Post Super Bowl. Addition,
the Eagles dismantled the Chiefs. Chiefs are going for three
in a row, not going to happen. This game was
never close. John Jacques Taylor, Joe got clared until I
am new he strug So we haven't coaching staff. You
two were at the Super Bowl for All City Dallas here.
What were you hearing on the ground from people? As

(20:20):
you start to get.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
More and more of the cowboy coaching staff getting hired
names what we knew about.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
I just think that that if you're going to be
excited about anything, is that, you know Emmett talking about
they need a plan, they need a plan. You know,
I worry about them having a plan, and it seemed
like the plan is to run the ball, and the
coaching staff is aligned with the focus of trying to
run the ball. You go with Clayton Adams, you go
with Riley the offensive coordinator and from and yeah on

(20:47):
the office line coach from Kansas State who you know,
built powerful lines and you just go back to his history.
You go to uh Derrick Foster, you know, running back
coach from New Orleans and who was again from a
college team as well.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
And I like the fact that some of the guys
they got all have college background, their teachers.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
They did not go with the you know, the traditional
you got fired here, some picky up here. This you know,
this whole coaching carousel of long term NFL assistants just
go from job to job to job because they know somebody.
They really went outside the box, you know, uh, to
get young, energetic, new idea type coaches. But where all

(21:32):
the folk gos you've looked from alignment of these guys
like to run the ball.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
Yeah, And I think that was the big takeaway from
just the higher so far from the super Bowl perspective
was talking to people was the college influence. And I
think that that's been very fascinating from people on the
outside is to see them target those guys. Connor Riley
known for developing offensive lineman like Cooper Beeby now he's
going to come in. You have a guy in Tyler
Guiden who needs to develop. Maybe Conor Riyley can help
him take the next step. You look at wide receivers
Junior Adams from Oregon. I was talking to an organ

(21:57):
source about him and they said, hey, man, he's going
to get the most out of everyle receiver, which you
know is just kind of words you know when you
hear from sources. But then you kind of look at
the background he helped Cooper Cup become what he was
at Eastern Washington. You look at some of the coaches
he had or wide receivers had at Washington with the
Roma Dunes, A, Jalen McMillan, those kind of guys. And
then Oregon you had Ted Johnson, who's going to be
a top three round pick this year, plus Troy Franklin

(22:17):
who went to Oregon to the Broncos last year. Long
story short, he's got They got a long track record
of developing guys and finding talent and making the most
of them.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
And I think that's exciting.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Let me jump in on that a little bit.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
I remember when Nick Sirianni was hired and there was
much made about his coaches, and they were using that
as a selling point because Nick was not a popular
hire at Philadelphia. And we saw the two coordinators off
that first Super Bowl team get jobs Steiking's over and
with the Colts, and then you got Jonathan Gannon of
the Arizona and Arizona's had some some good competitive football

(22:49):
teams out there. Then now Kellen Moore becomes a head
coach and Vic Fangio's been a head coach in this
league and definitely has the chops to do it again.
But I do wonder in terms of, hey, look, let's
look at some of these coaches. Jimmy Onsen had brought
in some really good coaches when he was here with
the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
So we'll see where it goes.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
But that's why I say people the fan so far
have obscenemingly brought into what they're seeing Coach watch.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I mean, I think you want I mean, I don't
know what these guys do, right, we can we I
mean I can't sit here and say, oh, yeah, after
we while we were destroying Oregon, I was thinking about
how good that he was coach was, but I was.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Thinking that's dirty, dirty work, dirty work. I mean, you
know he got a track record beyond Oregon.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Well, I certainly didn't pay attention to them at Eastern Washington.
Last we have from there, Jeff Iden.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
You know who developed Eastern Washington?

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Who Cooper? Cooper Cook? Yeah, I said I wasn't saying attention,
said that Joid developed the Bodes. Date boy, No, I
don't care about none of them.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
No, No, who was Washington Washington?

Speaker 5 (23:52):
Okay, well he did he developed po Okay, I'm just
saying he got some guys in the league. That's cool,
you know, Roma all I've got from that, not just
this yearself, last year, I mean last year watching put
a lot of guys in the receivers in the league
got coming this year?

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Is he an upgrade from Robert Ford? Yes, he said, Prince,
I mean prince.

Speaker 8 (24:15):
Like that.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Don't you do Robert Ford like that? Yes? Why you
say it so?

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Matter of factly because Jaln Toby didn't do nothing?

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Hold the Prince develop tell me, tell me what receiver
got better with Prince? Any outside of one is?

Speaker 11 (24:32):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Outside of Al Harris? Is anybody from the staff here
getting hired?

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (24:37):
Princes and Princess Miami.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Princess Miami, he's my receiver. Okay, so two and then
but curly anywhere live aback coach topic.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
It's a gu.

Speaker 6 (24:47):
Nowhere.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
See that's the bigger issue. Man. You want your coaches
to always be getting plucked. I mean, it's a pain
in the butt. But you want to be like Detroit. Damn,
they took a whole staff. Now we've got to replace them.
So I don't know, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
No, I mean, you don't know, But I mean and
That's the thing about it is because you have to
sell the staff fast. And that's why Jerry always wins.
Because the fans want to be excited. They want to
be they want to open, they want to feel good
about something. Okay, they want to feel good. And if
you can't feel good about the head coach, let's let's
I like.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
This staff, I like that office courting. Oh he can
do it, don't you know? Because they you know, you're
you know, like ice to eskimos To. These people want to.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Get the fan base laid.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Who you believe me your line right? Of course?

Speaker 5 (25:38):
Ye, yes, yes, they want to feel they want to
feel good about something. And that's why if they they
do anything in Freddie and they gonna come back.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (25:46):
One more note on Clayton Adams the new OC. I
talked to Will Hernandez, whos gonna be a free agent
over there at the at the Super Bowl, and he
was effusive in his praise for him. And the one
thing he talked about though, is like, hey, we're not
just stay zone running scheme. We're not just stay ground
and pound raft the middle. Like if you look at
how they differentiated their running scheme last year, it was
very even and it kept the defenses on their toes.

(26:07):
And I think pair of that with the idea of, hey,
you look at that Arizona offensive line. You got first
round picks, you got undrafted guys, you got seven round picks,
and they all kind of played well together. So it
doesn't really matter where you came from. With Clayton Adams,
he's gonna make everyone kind of work together well. And
I think that's good news for the Tyler guy in
Cooper Beebe and their development.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
And that's one thing I always frustrated with the Cowboys.
You know, they had an embarrassment of riches on office line,
all these first round talents, first round picks, first round
disc and you know, they like no other team played
with a bunch of first round picks, first round talents.
You know on the offensive line. You know, they got
it done with guys second, third round free agents. You know,

(26:43):
can we find a way to get it done and
develop talent here on the offensive line where they don't
always have.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
To be first round picks.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
I mean for years they had you know, you got
left tackle first round, you had a center first round.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
You got the right guard first round. Here the right
tackle first round and.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
We couldn't get it done because Connor Williams the second
round pick something. You know, but you got four first
round talents up front, But that Connor Williams was holding
your back. I mean it's always, you know, like it's
crazy all these other team No one has four first
round picks a first round I say first round talents
because Leo Collins was the first round talent, but because

(27:23):
of the circumstances he had to go a different route.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
What circumstances His girlfriend died before the draft.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Okay, now you're down to just let me one I
impossible in terms of first round picks on the offense floor.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yes, and the other is undrafted, you know, one of
the third round, right, so.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Make it so.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Let's find the coach they can get some guys in
there that can I mean, what what did the Eagles.
Eagles don't have a bunch of first round picks up front.

Speaker 7 (27:48):
No, they got Jordan Malatta, who was a late round pick.
You know you got Jurigins, Yeah, Clane John John.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, well that was thirty years ago. I mean he's
been in the league on a hundred years and when
he fall started, all right, when we come back.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
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pick after the Super Bowl. Where we've seen a performance
from having a top running back, We've seen a performance
from having a good offensive line. We've seen the performance
from having a dominant defensive line. Based on what the
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He scrugs for the conversation. So Eagles win the Super Bowl.
Kansas City was there for the third year in a row.
They could not win it. Eagles with the number one defense.

(31:09):
Eagles with the best offensive weapon in football in my
opinion this year. Saquon Barkley the running back spot.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
He's bad man, real good.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
They also have a very good offensive line, which you
could tell the difference in having that kind of offensive
line for Philadelphia what Saquon Barkley was able to do
versus the years he was struggling and still putting up
great numbers with the Giants.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
If you are the Dallas.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Cowboys, you are now in the first round on the
clock at number twelve, What do you do because you
not only have to beat the Eagles in your division,
you've got to beat Washington and Washington Philadelphia both play
for NFC championship.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
I don't think it's complicated.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Every time they go draft in need, they get a bust,
they get a buster. Go draft the best dude sitting there,
and doesn't you got enough holes? It don't even matter
what position he plays. So at that spot, your boy
gents should be there. Go get it.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
It's so hard, though, because in this draft it ain't hard.
It's hard.

Speaker 7 (32:06):
I'm gonna make it hard because there's so many good
running backs in the draft. Ashen Genc is by far
the best one, right but you start looking at tier
two and tier three and there are some guys that
gonna be instant impact guys with the Cowboys at running
backs specifically defensive line. Though I think the Cowboys have
no their dire in their situation right now.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Ohs is a free.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Who's the one at twelve?

Speaker 7 (32:24):
It would be have to be Mason Graham, but also
dropping that fuck you never know with quarterbacks and stuff,
you never know. But I think you watch what the Eagles.
And this is where I'm starting to get a little
nervous about taking Ashton Jens. We'll look what the Eagles did.
No blitzes and that much pressure on a guy like that,
you're gonna have to get after the quarterback.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
And they did it.

Speaker 7 (32:43):
And here's the reason though, I keep kind of coming
back to gent to kind of round it all about. Yea,
Jalx Hung was a second round pick. Josh Wett was
a fourth round pick. Like these guys were not first
round picks. But man, they need d line.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
I I it's gonna be tough, to be honest, it's
gonna be the draft.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
But the draft, just like running back, the draft is
deep in defense at tackle it is it's deep, and
that that's a deep position. You don't reach for a
defensive tackle if it's not the guy the top to
pick him twelve because of a need. We talk about
not forcing need. You got to take the best player
that's on the.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Ball because if they want to run, if they want
to rush with four, you do what Kansas City didn't do.
You to punish your behind. Yeah, as much as we can,
so we speak a.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Little bit of what Joe said.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Just Mason is dead at twelve by some miracle.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Go get it another Michigan guy. Ooh, you can't take
can't take a Michigan.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Guy just like Sissy dropped to him and they're like, oh,
what is this.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
This was a conversation that was held, and not that
I'm saying the Cowboy was wrong, but at the time
that the top five pick and they took your guy,
Ezekiel Elliott, there were some who said, hey, you should
take Jalen Ramsey, go get Dereck Carry in the second round.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
That was for a while. This was a debate that
had been out there and.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
From what you're saying, hey, here's a great running back
here in genty, the best guy, which was what Elliott was.
But then the other portion, do you go maybe wait
a little later, the Dereck Henry typing, and then you
take a impact because they.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Needed a corner at the time.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
You know, they certainly could have used a Jayalen Ramsey
was turned into a a his name should be talked
about for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. He'd be
the kind I don't if he getting in, but he
should be on the ballot. So that to me is
that kind of thing could be there for them.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
I agree, and if the but I don't think the
scenario is the same.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
You know, there was no question Dayalen Ramsey was one
of the best players in the draft and no matter
when you draft the Jayalen Ramsey was was gonna be
up there.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
This draft is not like that.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
I don't think that there's a corner or position that
you know, say this guy is on the same level
of a Jalen Ramsey. Okay, but but you could say
that the other And I don't know if if the
running backs or later the deeper the running backs go,
that there is a King Henry in the second round.
I mean they're good running back. They're good backs. Hey, hey,

(35:04):
none of them do is King Henry?

Speaker 1 (35:05):
And they none of them?

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Dobody here got Henry was King Henry. Otherwise he wouldn't
have been taken at thirty eight.

Speaker 7 (35:11):
Also, there's still a lot of drafts stuff to happen.
We saw him had the combat, we saw him had
the pro day. Like for example, I think a guy
Walter Nolan from Ole miss like kind of a trendy thing.
I think he's going to rise to a point where
we are discussing him as a top twelve pick. After
all this is said and done, and I think that
that's going to be interesting. Will Johnson a guy from
another Michigan guy corner, maybe he falls to you.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Let's see. I saw him mocked to the Cowboys by
somebody the other day.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Yeah, I'll just throw out one just for We talked
a little bit about this on the last week the
Penn State Titan Warick.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
There's a talented guy.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Yeah, and if you look at your tight end position
last year, this would not be something to say, well,
we're covered.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
You're not covered right now. And Jake Ferguson is on
the verge of you know, he's going to be a
free agent too.

Speaker 7 (36:01):
I'm not the biggest Warren fan personally. We had a
nice debate about this today on our show.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
What's the short version of why you're not a Warren fan?

Speaker 7 (36:07):
I just don't think that he's the type of guy
for a tight end perspective. I think you should take
in the top why because I think that he's too stiff.
I don't think he's too much of a playmaker. I
think brock Bowers is the type of guy you take
in top ten, top fifteen, because that guy is a
difference maker. He is a wide receiver essentially. I think
Tyler Warren is not worth it at twelve in my opinion,
how big easy?

Speaker 6 (36:26):
How big is Tyler?

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (36:30):
Two fifty five.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Would I watch Penn State play bugg and play? The
quarterback was limited, the offense was limited, but they were
going to him. And here's a team that you know
ended up being one of the top four teams in
the country.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, so is he brock Bowers.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Nah, but you know what Eric Clarton named Jimmy Hendricks.
But Eric Clapton pretty damn good.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
He hiss comp gronk Oh boy, I'd hate to have him.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
But that's a many people get.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Camped to other No, I don't know how many people
get comed to ground.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
Know they ain't not many getting comed to ground.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Now, sunny Sunny Dykes and tall you that because.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
But I'm just but I just throw that out there
in the sense of if we're saying what you stop
going and for need go get the.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Best guy, Go get the best if he's the best guy.
It's not like they don't have.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
It's not like Dak Prescott would not be benefiting from
But there's realistic.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
They gonna play two tight twelve personnel next year.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Yeah, I mean if the trying to run the ball,
if they were just saying if you're running this, ain't
if they if they want to do that, then fine
if you're if you took tight end first round, you
went running back second round, or you went d line
second round and are being the third and the fourth
well no fourth, trade for the trade for some way

(37:46):
to get in for the mingo thing.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
Oh boy, I mean remember Bucky Irv anyone.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Good players, bro, If you got good players and when
they to me, when they just go follow the bull
and don't try to feel they do, they do terrific.

Speaker 6 (38:02):
That's how you get Ce he went, and you know
all these other guys.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
That's how you get TYVI Smith.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Tyler Smith was a knee.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
It's only when they started forcing that.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Tyler was in need because it was they were heavily
criticized because they were.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah, but he was a knee.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
But but you know he was also a future pick
to pleat the future left tackle, you know, and he
because he was going to play they drafted play left tackle.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yes, they drafted to play left tackle. And and because
you know, because of the future, would would Tyron Smith.
But he became a guard though.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
But so that's one thing you talk about maybe drafting
the guy from Texas left tackle who could be a guard,
who could fill in the right guard as well.

Speaker 7 (38:38):
I think that would give you a lot of security
about your Tyler Guiden pick. And we've talked about this too.
Your pick shouldn't be You shouldn't be afraid to say,
you know, we swung and miss on that one, kind
of the Brice Huff thing, and say we can't go
back to that water. But I do think you still
need to find out what you have in Tyler Guid
and Kelvin Banks allows you to security say, hey, if
Tyler Guiden is legit, then we put Kevin Banks at guard.
There's a Zach Martin replacement. We're good for a long
time on the offensive line. And if Tyler and can't play,

(39:00):
then you say, you know what we swung missed, Calvin,
go take that one and you're good to go in there.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
And he just said we didn't need no more first
round off of lineman around here.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
We got to developer Clayton Adams.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
You see, it's a need issue. We're not talking about me.
We're talking about who's on the board and who you
should take. You're taking the best player on the boards.
He's the best player on the board, then you do it. Uh,
that's my question, you know. And we talked about compared
to the Eagles. The Eagles went back to back Georgia
defensive tackles because they fell to him. They you talk
about what they did, they didn't reach. They didn't say
we got to.

Speaker 6 (39:32):
Go get the corners back to back last year's.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, but they I'm just talking about first round picks
and back to back years.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
They took first round defense tackles, trade up for Davis Fish.
That was the that was the first year, and then
they took card there they took.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
Carl Smith fell in their life too.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah, Nola SMIs felling the left. They just went and
got the guys.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
So I don't know if the Cowboys went tackle when
Morsus Smith went tackle.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Jerry likes to be sexy and he hasn't been this
high in the draft.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
Do you think he's gonna take the foundational thing and
take a defensive lineman off his linemen? He was that
maybe best foundational overtaking a Martin versus. But yeah, but
that was still eighteen. You know, and and and again
you had a quarterback. You know, uh, they have needs there.

(40:23):
Your receiver from Arizona could be.

Speaker 6 (40:25):
There telling him you know him with CD two. It's
a perfect yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
Yes, and that would get the fan based excited, well,
the fan base to get excited about it.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
He was a tackle. And again you say that he
likes to sell hope. He likes to sell hope him.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
You know, you can get people excited about the Astra genty,
You get people excited about the tech mc millan, and
you get people excited about the Mason Ground, can get
people excited about Kelvin Backs, getting excited about Super Bowl
because you see Big Davis over there.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
And he don't think like that.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah, but people can't. People can't reach out and touch
super and ape. They can.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
They can reach out and touch They can reach out
and touch highlights from genty running down the field. They
can reach out and touch Ted McMillan making one hand
to catch this. That can get you excited. Look, that's
what I'm talking And.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
You're talking about a fan base right now that needs
something to be Yeah, feel good.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
So in a jersey to going into the going to care.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
Yeah, you can put them highlights on the reel and
talk about the possibilities especially you know. And one thing
that gently told us the Super Bowl, he said that
people tell me I don't know, I ain't gonna say
who I am.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
People tell me a more explosive m Smith.

Speaker 7 (41:36):
The fact that he couched it by saying what people
tell me, by the way, and then saying that, I.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Was like, I'm a more explosive Smith.

Speaker 8 (41:42):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Paxton Lynch told me the Super Bowl? What I said,
you can't compare Cam Newton. I said, so you ivory Cam,
so just saying you.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Go to the super Bowl. We do this interview, no
doubt some of them start to say a liennial.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
I came, I.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Coming out of mipster. This game was like like Cam Newton,
so Genty saying his game was like, it's got it.
I interviewed explosive. Okay, I interviewed Patrick Mahomes. He didn't
give me nothing turned out.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
He was like, yeah, he's just not Brady whoa? Who is?

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Who is?

Speaker 1 (42:26):
All right? Before we leave any any any thing on
the cutting roon floor. We left here. Let's start around
the table with your.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
Clans, na man, you know, like we had a good
week in Super Bowl. Talked to a lot of people.
There's still some anks for former Cowboy. Talked the tram
yesterday at the children's fun thing. He talked about, you know,
still can't believe thirty years, you know, get on it,
getting ready to celebrate the thirty fieth anniversary.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Of that last Bowl total team in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
And he's like the fans, you know, it's it's they're
shocked that the Cowboy's not even been close since then.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
He talked about Emmett uh uh.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
You know there's so much talk about the uh, the
Luca trade, and and and Woody and Darrel Johnson. Say,
y'all remember Jimmy Johnson got run up out of here.
You think about how that would be played today and
today's media and Jerry Jimmy, you know, firing Jimmy or
getting rid of Jimmy after two Super Bowl titles, what

(43:20):
would the fan base be like, be crazy?

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Almost as bad as when he fired time Landry.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
You know, yeah, I'm talking about the Super Bowls. They're
probably be worse because they already didn't like it.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Like I said, you go back to what he went through,
fire fired Landry and then went one.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
In fifteen and when he hired his buddies. Yeah, life
wasn't good, Like I don't look good. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
I mean, yes, social media would be worse, but I
don't know, if anything, I've ever seen anybody else the
top of my head and the sports world get rolled
like he did. I mean, you had you had Dan
Reeves trying to run up the score on him because
they were mad at him the first game. You know,
they would go unbeating the preseason and they give me
twenty eight to nothing in the first game ever to
Super Bowl and to Jimmy. I mean there were folks
who out with want of blood Man, and then Tom

(44:05):
made that commercial way messed up with him.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Uh it came out the little suit case for that
hotel teams.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Tom would talk to him, Yeah, so I'm not going
to let you honor me. You don't get right, you
don't you don't get me, and a lot of so yeah.

Speaker 7 (44:17):
Yeah, Joe, Yeah, not a sexy thing. But they ken
Dorsey was one of the guys that might have been
considered for OCI. I never really bought that, And now
they brought him back as a passing game specialist. I
think that that's a good hire because because I think
that in terms of passing him, they address a lot
of running game stuff. They did a lot of things
on the run Ken Dorsey. Yes, he's been fired last year.

Speaker 6 (44:35):
As an oc as an occ.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
And the judge of passing game, and today's.

Speaker 7 (44:39):
In no no, but he's passing. I like the idea
of getting people in who might know one or two things.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
That got fired.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
I just watched the ohos State beat Miami this morning.
He did he didn't do nothing in Miami.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Quip Wow.

Speaker 6 (44:51):
See there it always comes they got cheated. It always
comes back there.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Got cheated in that game. They won that game. Books
say we won that game.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
I like the hire as a what do you have?

Speaker 3 (45:02):
I got the nasty champions. That's all I got.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
You don't need a new golferens coordinator.

Speaker 6 (45:09):
Shout out.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, that's not a good We do this every ten years.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
So I'm good. Literally, Oh excellent.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
All right, gentlemen, thank you, we'll proceed next week. Let
us know who the lineup is. Baby, I appreciate you.
I'm new he Scruggs. This is the media Martage. Thanks
to Chris everybody who makes it.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Happen. Dallas Cowboys dot com. We are done.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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