Media Mash: OTA Notes & Quotes

Newy Scruggs, Ed Werder and Nick Harris discuss the Dallas Cowboys’ first week of OTA workouts, early impressions of George Pickens and their thoughts on the 2025 schedule.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
This is Media Match, a roundtable of Cowboys insiders, trumping
wisdom and offering sizzling takes on the current state of
your Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Now your host, New East Scrugs.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yes, sir, Media Matches back. Ed Warders back. Nick Harris
is back. I'm new he Scruggs. Excited to see these
two guys as we talked about the Dallas Cowboys and
all things with the National Football League. But first I
was vacation.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Vacation. I went on a couple of golf trips, had
a nice time, played the Robert Trent Jones Trail, four
courses there, and then over the weekend went to uh
Florida Pontaviter, Florida and played in Tom Coughlin's charity golf
tournament to raise money for families who have a child
you know who's struggling with a cancer battle.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
He's been doing that for years.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
This was a thirtieth one Wow and they the auction
and the golf raised almost a million dollars, a record
nine hundred and seventy five thousand dollars get to play
the TPC Sawgrass Course in the famous number seventeen hole.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Did you make the green?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I'm on a three year run of missing the green.
I made it my first five years in a row,
hitting the pin once. That's awesome, but my last three
have drowned in the most horrific of ways, imaginable.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
What kind of golfer are you?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'm an eleven handicap.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I don't even know what that means.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Single digit handicap is is maybe ten percent of the population. Okay, okay,
so you're not gonna get in close. I've been there before.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Okay, every now.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
And the ed will take you money.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Then in a good day, he'll take you money.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
If it's a team game, I like it even better.
Like my eyes even better.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, where's been your ultimate golf golf experience for you?

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I would have to say getting to play Pebble Beach
for the first time. I've been to Pinehurst and did
a Golf Pioneers. I've did band in Dunes. That was fantastic.
My favorite. One of my favorite golf stories is playing
over at Glen Eagles at the invitation of Troy Aikman
for the first time. I was kind of new to golf,
and he was writing all these numbers down on the

(02:14):
scorecard and was a big gambling thing. It's like five
games going at once. And he said, do you want
to play? And I'm like, why, I guess I'll play.
And he said, well, you seem a little apprehensive. He said,
let me put it to you this way. If you
play really bad and I play really good, you could
lose three hundred dollars. I'm like, well, I'm a sports writerer.
I really don't want to lose three hundred dollars for
a single day. But okay, what am I going to

(02:35):
do end of the day. You're intrepid reporter went to
the ATM for three hundred and seventy eight dollars. Oh
that's how well he played and how poorly I played.
And I was the most fortunate member of the force
of everybody else paid that in multiples. Fun But that
was long ago.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes, let's go.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
If you ran that back today, you get that money back.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I wouldn't. I'd lose half that half that.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Amount, half that amount, said Nick, you were going needed
much deserved, need a vacation for you.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Said thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah, I was in Miami for four or five days.
It was my girl's birthday, so got some friends together,
went down there.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
How to get time?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
All right, good on you, good on you. Chris Beam
and I were here.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Have you been to Miami recently?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
I am not.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Late up to me. I just had to go.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
We'll catch me in Florida. The only the only way
you'll catch me in Florida could be in two weeks
if the Stars it happened to be in the Stanley
Cup Final against the defending Stanley Cup champions.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
So that the Panthers are Lightning.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Panthers. Panthers Lightning already put already out, already out. So
Panthers there co Stars, yes tonight, So we get done
with this podcast from head down there for a game
one of the Western Conferscepond's. They get ready to take
on the Edmonton Oilers. So NFL meetings go and play. So, hey,
guess what the tush push the bone? Hey, they they're

(03:57):
gonna keep it. The Eagles, the raining Super Bowl champions,
getting keep the thoughts.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeah, the vote was apparently going to be coming down
to the wire that you had heard about it all day,
and then the vote came into votes short thoughts. Personally,
I think it's fine in the game personally, if it's
it's a play that the Eagles specialize in. Other teams
have tried to replicate but cannot truly duplicate, you know,
and they sure they have great success with it. But

(04:22):
until other teams are having the success rate that the
Eagles are having in this play, you're not gonna see criticism.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
For me, I think it's I think it is a
football play.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
I kind of like the rugby roots that it pulls from.
I think it's fine, and if you don't like it,
stop it. That's that's my idea on it.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I get that, and a lot of the coaches have
said that. However, I don't really think it is a
traditional football play, and I actually like the rules previously
when they didn't allow pushing pulling the pile. I mean,
remember the play in Buffalo two years ago where they
get the Cowboys basically stop the running play and then

(04:57):
they get shoved at twenty yards down the field by
a huge, you know, pile of men that just didn't
seem like a foot like they stopped the play. And
I'm not saying that just because it was a Cowboys
by any means. I just don't like the play, but
there's no basis to ban it because of injury, because
there's no injury data that suggests it's a an exceptionally
dangerous play. But you know, the Eagles are the best

(05:21):
in the league at it by far. Buffalo's I guess
a close second. I think they've run two hundred and
sixty three push Push Brother leeh I like the brother Lee.
Shove is a name, better fight, Honestly, better seems more
manly to me. But yeah, I guess you know what
they got somehow. Usually when the commissioner wants something out
of the game, and he clearly made it obviously wanted

(05:42):
this out of the game. And that's why they postponed
the vote until now rather than doing it at the
March meetings. Was to create support for that, and they
failed to pull it off. That doesn't happen very often.
But Jeffrey Lourie made an address. He brought in Jason
Kelce from ESPN, the former Center to everybody, that's not
the reason he retired was because you know, he got

(06:03):
injured on that play. But yeah, it's something the Cowboys
are going to have to stop. They voted against it obviously,
So I'm sure that will come up in Philadelphia on
Opening Night. I'm sure the fans will go. It'll be
an electric environment the first time they're in the toushpush
against the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
It was kind of put in to perspective of the
QB spike and what was this probably fifteen twenty years
ago when this was brought to the brought to the tables, like, hey,
is this an allowable play? Because I think Jerry Jones
was one of the big proponents against the QB spike
being it's not a football play, like there's no there's
no chance of anything happening on the play.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
It's going to be an incomplete.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Pass unless the snap is wrong or unless the QB
fumbels it out of his hand, like you have a
certain destination of where this play is going. Whereas a
toush push, I feel like there's a little bit more
room for ambiguity. And you've even seen teams like the
Commanders like pull off a reverse sweep off the tush
push and things like that. So that's why I see
it more as a football play. I guess when it's
put into comparison of the QB spike and trying to

(06:59):
put it in that same kind of realm. I don't
think it's in that same kind of realm. I think
there are some football elements to it. If it were
me and I was voting, i'd be voting for it
for that exact reason. But you mentioned the Bills. They
were one of the ones that voted against it, which
was fascinating. I found that fascinating today.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Because they've benefited so much from it.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
No, they voted against.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
No, I'm saying it's odd that they do that exactly
exactly they benefited with Josh Allen. But I think an
interesting stat I read related to this was there were
eleven times last year where Saquon Barkley was tackled at
the one yard line and did not score during the
subsection during that particular possession. Guess how many one yard
rushing touchdowns Jalen Hurts had eleven eleven. That's funny, so fantasy,

(07:40):
but it's just I think it's part of their whole
ethos about going for it on fourth down. You know,
they're so convinced they're going to succeed if it comes
down to it with that play that I think it
would have been a significant loss even though it's not
a play, and the overwhelming number of plays a run
in the NFL a g zero point two eight percent
are brotherly shoved plays a quarterback assisted sneaks. So but

(08:03):
I think it could have harmed the Eagles if they
didn't have this in their repertoire. I think if you
look back at it, the teams that went forth the
most on fourth downs last year were the Eagles, Washington,
and Buffalo and Kansas City was in the top five
or six, and all of those teams wound up being
final four team. So that's just a big part of
the game right now, is your willingness to go for

(08:25):
it on fourth down.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
So let me ask this question here now that the
Cowboys have used the first round pick on Tyler Booker,
so pencil him over it right guard center BB and
then yeah Smith over there on the other side, Tyler Smith.
Could this be a play they decided to maybe implement

(08:46):
with those three big houses.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
With a thirty two year old quarterback, that would be
my only question coming off a major leg injury. Imagine
if he got hurt in that situe. The Chiefs did
it ran a almost never ran quarterback sneak. They ran
quarterback sneak against and in a Monday night game or
a Sunday night game and Mahomes got hurt, remember, and
they've not run it since. Like, I think you're putting
your quarterback at unnecessary risk.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
So could you bring in Joe Milton on that play.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Now we're talking, now we're having a little fun. Or
do you just put Hunter Lipkey behind center and let them.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Roll the fumble? Ass pick scares me?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
It was one time. It was one time.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
All you need Sometimes all you need is one time.
But I mean literally, so you know when the tush
push is coming, if you brought in Joe Milton here,
it comes. Yeah, I mean just just from that standpoint alone.
But those three, those three big boys together, to me,
that's intriguing. That is intriguing.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
The reason I'm kind of surprised that it didn't get
banned and there was obviously a lot of resistance to it,
was what happened in the NFC Championship game, right with
Frankie Luvu jumping over the top in advance of the whistle.
Like that's dangerous when a guy's jumping over the top
and hitting opponents and they're not ready for it because
the ball hasn't been snapped. That's that makes it a
dangerous play, even though, like I said, the data is

(10:01):
not there to support you know, pulling it from the
field because it's an injury risk. But I mean, that
made a farce of the whole game, and I really
didn't blame Washington for it. The only way to stop
it is to time it up exactly right, and that's
all they were trying to do.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
But it it.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Was a farcical sequence of plays. I thought. On the
goal line in a big championship game, I've never.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Heard an official say it a touchdown will be rewarded.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, if we're gonna give him the touchdown, if you
guys keep jumping over the top or the whistle before
the ball snapped.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
It is It's interesting. So if Philadelphia does it, you know,
I mean he keeps on having success with it. It
just seems that more teams would try to figure out,
how do we how do we do that? Dak Prescott
spoke to the media yesterday says he's feeling good. How
do we couch that? Knowing you know, there's no life contact.

(10:50):
You can't touch the quarterback right now? How do we
gauge Dak Prescott as he comes back from this hamstringing.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Yeah, I don't think you really do until you see
him with with a healthy amount of games right under
his belt, right, I think you can look up mid
season and probably have a pretty good indication of how
he's feeling health wise, and where his mobility is and
how that's being used going into back half of his career,
no doubt, potentially the last four years of his career.
But you see him yesterday and I think I think
there may have been some intention on his part to

(11:18):
escape the pocket a couple of times during some OTA
snaps yesterday. There was one where he did not have
to escape the pocket. It's an OTA, you don't have
to escape anything. And he's rolling to his left and
he just kind of fires one in and it's like,
we know what you're doing here. You're trying to show
that these legs are still here, and you know they
might be. He's been doing a lot of work up
at Salina High School with all the pass catchers during
this time off away from the facility, and he says he's.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Feeling great, moving great.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
You know, that's not something we can really quantify though
I think until probably midway through the season.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, I think. I think his movement and escaping the
pocket needs to be an essential part of his game. Still,
the question is, you know, breaking the line of scrimmage
and running for yardage and being counted on to do
those sorts of things. What did mc arthy tell us,
If you get thirty yards rushing out of your quarterback,
you know you're probably gonna win the game. I don't
think the Cowboys can go into games expecting Dak to

(12:08):
make a significant contribution to the running game. But I
think the important thing is he's healthy enough at this
point to be out there and to be leading the
group and developing a chemistry with you know, Pickens and
you know some of the other Jayden Blue and all
those other guys who were new to the system. It's
beneficial for them to get snapped with the starting quarterback.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Making the first guy miss with something Joe Montana did
very well in that Bill wollh system, And we also
talked about with his quarter what we have. If a
quarterback has the mobility to make the first guy miss,
we can do some things here. And that's going to
be one of the things that I'm looking for for
Dak Prescott is just you know, can he can he
do that? And if he can do that, then I
like their opportunity to be in football games. I still

(12:52):
think they got a lot of holes in different places,
but to at least have your quarterback be in football games.
And the one thing if you're a Cowboy fan, a
healthy Dak Prescott, it's everything right in his career means
you have an opportunity at the playoffs. You're in the mix.
You're in the mix, and that's what you need.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
If you look at the numbers with him, without him,
they're a five hundred team when he's not in there.
He's the most dominant player in the NFC East throughout
his career. In the NFL ten years, he's what thirty
three and eight against the division. The division obviously has
gotten better now, but he obviously has had a lot
of success against the team. These teams that you have
to play twice a year and you have to beat

(13:28):
to win the division and have home playoff games, and
they just don't score nearly enough points when Dak Prescott's
not in the lineup. They have to play a whole
different style. I don't think it's too much to expect
coming off this injury at thirty two for him to
be able to make the first guy miss, for them
to even design plays to move the pocket around or
get him out on the edge of the defense. I

(13:48):
just don't think he necessarily should be counting on him
for rushing yardage at this point.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
You just look at the McCarthy center in the five
years that he was here, the two years they didn't
make the playoffs, both of them season ending injuries with
Dak to his lower body. So the health overall in
this team is going to have a lot of storylines
going into the year, but none bigger than than Dak Prescott.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
This quarterback league, the quarterback league, and the schedule is
not easy at all in my opinion. I know it
changes year to year, but right now, just looking at
it based off last year's returns, this is a challenging schedule.
When we come back, Nick and Edward gone last week,
I'll give them my my prediction of the schedule, and
also just games and just a couple of instances said,

(14:28):
look at the back to backs for the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
I say, man, your prediction was so dire. I'm surprised
to find you still here.

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So we did the schedule because you guys were right
last week when it came out. I did seven and
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(17:41):
So that last game of the year gets the Giants's
you know who knows where everybody is.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
That's your possible.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yes, that's not possible, okay, so could be eight if not,
could be?

Speaker 1 (17:52):
So you you you were assuming you believe they're gonna
have a losing record no matter what.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yes, I think the schedule's daunting. Four Thursday games here.
I'll just look at the back the back half of
the scheduling. Okay, uh man, you you come. You start
looking at November. Okay, November twenty third, it's a home
game against the Eagles. Then you got to get ready

(18:20):
for the Thanksgiving the game that's at home too. But
you go from facing the Eagles to the Kansas City
Chiefs two super.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Bowl four days.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
That's five days. Then that that's tough. Then yeah, you're
off for a little bit, but you got to go
to Detroit.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
And then you're not even you don't even get the
many by there. That's a full week. That's you're practicing
on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, So that's that's your fourth I mean, that's your
third Thursday game. So you got that. So you at Detroit,
then you get ten days off. You got Minnesota right now,
schedules for NBC, but we'll see where you know, both
teams are. But then here you go, come home on
December twenty first, and you get the Chargers. That's gonna
be a physical game with Jim Harbor, that's gonna be
a physical football game. And then you turn around and

(19:01):
have to go from the Charger game up to Washington
for a Christmas game, which means you're leaving Christmas Eve
Chargers Commanders. That's that's that's the physical stuff ed that's
gonna cost you.

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Speaker 3 (19:18):
We were here. That's a fine, Dave Campo. Fine. So
then Christmas Day against the Commanders on Netflix. By the way,
that's tough. I mean, the back to back's right there.
I mean, you know, just three point Eagles, Chiefs, Lions. Man,
that's some physical there.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Were Those are the only four teams last year that
won fourteen or more games, and the Cowboys have to
play them in succession. That's never happened before an NFL
history that a team's been required to do that.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I do it in eleven days.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
That's tough. You know. When I look at that, I'm like, guys,
that's that is tough. Then October, okay, you get Washington here,
then you go to Denver, ed you lived up there.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
You know my ownick, Sean Payton. Yeah, yeah, Boonick's eighty
thousand people.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
You know, it's the altitude. It's not easy. Then after
the Bronco game, you come home and then here's Kyler Murray.
And I know cowboy fan naturally just always likes to think, oh,
it's the Cardinals, and then being the Cardinals is twenty seventeen.
And I don't know if Kyler Murray's ever lost up
there at Jerry World.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Man, I think he's eight. No, yeah, like the guy
only Dak and Tony Romo one more games playing quarterback
at that stadium.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Then Kyler Murray, so from high school, the college to
the pros. That dude a witch in that building. And
so I'm just like, Okay, seen it right, Like these
are three tough football games. He I just think the
schedules so hard based off last year's teams. Now we
know every year we're going to see five six teams
make the playoffs. Who didn't It's.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Been four new teams making the playoffs every year each
of the last thirty five years. So seven and ten
to the playoffs is not inconceivable for when you're play
in a division where there hasn't been a repeat champion
in twenty plus years.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Twenty plus years, and so I still have some question
marks right now about and.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
You don't know who's gonna get hurt.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
The ability to stop the run for the Cowboys, I'm
still worried about that. I agree, I'm still worried about
their ability to stop the run. And you look at
I'm big on coaching. I think coaching matters. And you
look at the coaches on the schedule here. You know
you start off the season at Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay, you know Siriani just got extended.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Super Bowl winner. Okay, you got a super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
The best six records winning percentage of NFL history.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yes, so you got him. Dan Quinn's on here, He's
been to a Super Bowl. Sean Payton is a Super
Bowl champion. He's out here. Pete Carroll is back in
the game. Now it's Vegas on a Monday night. So
you got him, then you got Andy Reid coming here.
Dan Campbell, I believe an elite head coach. I think.
I think Koc in Minnesota has done a fantastic job

(21:58):
of coaching. We know Jim Balls great, He's been to
a super Bowl. This is just this is a challenge here, man.
This is a challenge and Vegas is usually pretty good.
I mean they you know, they got all those buildings
on in Vegas for a reason, you know they I
think they've got the Cowboys like seven and a half.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
They do have this early sequence after they played the Eagles,
and they have extra times that they play the Giants, Bears,
then the Packers, Jets, Panthers. Like there's four wins in there.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
You would think Packers, No, oh.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Giants, Bears, Jets, Panthers.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I'll say this the Carolina game. The Carolina game worries me.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
That's that's the one road game every year where everyone walks.
It's the Arizona game from a couple of years ago.
It's like, how the hell did they lose this game?
That is I'll give you that with.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
That one year with the Jets. You know, Jason Garrett
goes up there. How is this the CBS game of
the week with Nancy and Romo and the Jets were
terrible and they won the game. And that was when
they went without the two tackles. I think the tyrone
was out and when Collins was out. Yeah, yeah, so
there the Cowboys gonna give you one, like, oh.

Speaker 11 (23:01):
But.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Every year it could be, it could be Charlotte, could
be the Jets.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Wonder who Jerry will be putting in the Ring of
Honor when they play at Charlotte this year.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
That's funny.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
It's dirty work.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I learned it from somebody.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Dirty work. And it's a noon game too, out there
and all set up the Mingo revenge game part two, right,
he didn't do so well in part one. So anyway,
that was that's me. That's seven in the possible. What
possible is that last game of the year at the
Giants because you're gonna come off your Christmas Day game

(23:39):
and who knows where either team is.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
How about how about a note on each of the
other teams in the division regarding their schedules. Yes, sir,
the Eagles have to play eleven games against teams that
made the playoffs last year. The only other time this
century teams had to play eleven games against former playoff
teams in a single season was the twenty twenty three Eagles.
The Commanders have the most games against opponents coming off
of bye week, and the Giants have the most difficult

(24:05):
schedule in the league based on opponent winning percentage of
the previous year.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
And then we mentioned the Cowboys being the first team
to play four Monday four Thursday night games and play
four games against fourteen win teams and they're all back
to back to back to back.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
You're telling me ten and seven wins this division.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
You think about going against the AFC West and then
North based off last year's results. This is hard. And look,
we know there will be a regression to the mean,
especially for a team like Minnesota who's lost its quarterback
and you know what they're going to have to face
in that division. But it's just hard. It is it is.
It is a hard.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Schedule, and it's a franchise that recently has been known
for not beating good opponents. Right, they win their games
against the softer teams in the league. Yeah, so they've
got a lot.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
To prove this year, and I'll be I'm very interested
to see what do the Commanders do under Dan Quinn
year two, because there's so much going right there. Their
fans are excited. You know they're gonna do reboostadium rebuild
RFK here.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
I can't wait for that.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
By the way, all of us are very excited to
not get rained on and you know the food will
be a little bit better everything. I mean that that. Yeah,
FedEx is awful. It is one of the awful places.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
But they do have Jayden Daniels who should be better now.

Speaker 11 (25:21):
C J.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Stroud had a record rookie season and he was not
necessarily better last year, but they didn't still make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Comedian Donnel Rawlings otherwise knows Ashy Larry from The Chappelle Show.
He was here last week. Well, he's a huge Commander,
saying huge going Super Bowl. I was looking at him,
I started smiling. He's like, you smiling, you hater, You're
a hater. I was like, yeah, man, you guys got
excited about a quarterback before Remember RG three hopeing changes.

(25:51):
Everybody thought, happy, how'd that go? I was like, man,
let me let me see it? Can I see a
little bit more? Like, let me see a little bit
more because you're not sneaking up on anybody. Now, people
know they're gonna look at you, and you say, okay, hey,
this is a formidable team. Went to the NFC Championship
game that people are looking at. Anybody's a good coordinator.
Spending a whole lot of time. How do we figure
out Jaye Daniels to make things a little bit tough
on I think he's a fantastic player. I love but

(26:14):
dan Quinn, but you know, can you do it again
in this league with the schedule, everybody know, you're knowing
that you're coming here, all right, what do you do?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Adding Tunsil at left tackle, adding Deebo Samuel, adding Connery
at right tackle.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
The thing about those two veteran editions is those could
be great additions. They could be awful additions. And especially
this time of year when we look at this bad boys,
like is this team better than they were a year ago?
And when you look at the commanders on paper, yeah,
yeah they have Laramy Tunzel, Yeah they have do Samuel,
But Laramy Tunzel was right up there with Tyler Guidon
last year with penalties that around the NFL. Deebo Samuel

(26:51):
hasn't had a healthy year since I was like three
years old. It's been It's gonna be interesting to see
how they juggle their new pieces and how they come
together in Washington.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
But talking about it from the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Perspective, they won seven in ten last year, and I
know it's a tougher schedule than they had last year,
but knew where we are you saying that they are
the same team by saying that they would be seven
and ten.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
One of my biggest things is one, there's until you
stop the run and you look at some of these
teams here, I'm worried.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
That's fair.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
I'm worried. Two.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
And they could be a better team with a tougher schedule. Right.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
We don't know what Brian shotten him was gonna do.
Yet we always going to be I personally think you've
got to figure out how to and he says he
wants to run the ball. But here here's your test,
all right, in game one, what do you do if
you're down you know ten? Nothing? Yep, you know, do
we do you go back to we just chucking? Or
are you gonna you know, you're gonna stay with this?
You know, I'm very interested to see what do they

(27:44):
do as much as I'm very interested to see with
the Detroit Lions. How good are you going to be
having lost both coordinators? You know, where do?

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Where do you go?

Speaker 3 (27:52):
So these are things we've got to see, And until
I see it, I'm going to lean on Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
They generally get it right, I do.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
I mean, like I said, they're building all these beautiful
hotels and for Reese, you know, not many people are
beating those folks out there. So they're saying seven and
a half, and I just think there's there's a question mark.
I mean, fits a backfield is still a question Yeah,
I mean you think about the quarterbacks that you're facing
and some of the receivers that are on the schedule,

(28:24):
and we're still trying to figure out who are your
start who are going to be your when they go
to Philadelphia right now? Who start in three corners?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, there's no tell them.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yeah, So that that for me, that's that's a concern.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
They have those guys on the roster, but are they
going to be healthy? And at what point will they
be healthy? I'm going to be a rookie and.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Then one hundred percent like, are is there going to
be russ that they're gonna have to kick off a lot?

Speaker 3 (28:51):
You're nuts? You know? Question mark about stop of the run?
What's your quarterback situation looking like here? And even just
the linebackers, what's going on here?

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (29:00):
By the way, does you know number eleven have a deal?

Speaker 11 (29:03):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (29:04):
You know? So there these are quite you know, until
I know I'm going to look at Las Vegas and say, Okay,
I'm gonna go with you guys the running back situation.
Are they gonna add? Are they gonna stay with you?
Obviously Camp is gonna tell us more, But right now,
May twenty first, I'm gonna say seven in the possible.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah, I like the justification. I think with the new
pieces that they've added offensively, specifically, if Dak Prescott can
stay healthy, I think the floor for this team is
eight wins.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
The ceiling I think it's eleven twelve. It's a tough schedule,
don't get me wrong.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
But when we've seen this offense healthy, when we've seen
this offensive line play well, this is a difficult team
to score against, or excuse me, score with now scoring against.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
That is the problem.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
And the defensive tackle situation, I just got done talking
about it at nauseum with with some other folks. You
don't have a reliable one tackle on this roster. And
even if you do bring in a veteran free agent
towards the end of camp or after camp, we're so
good last year exactly, And it's it's it's it's just
a revolving door of these veterans that you know kind
of are banged up throughout the year and don't work out.

(30:15):
They'd have to go trade for one for me to
feel confident about the defensive tackle spot.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Let me jump on you right there with defense. Never
talk about your third defensive coordinator three years. You know
we saw last year, Yeah, like Zimmer with some challenges
trying to get guys to do a buy in and
what he wanted to do. So now you've got a
third defensive coordinator here, how does he utilize a Micah Parsons?
How the DB's I mean, these are things we're gonna
have to figure out and find out about this.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
They're going gonna have to get a lot out of
this rookie class this next season, this first season, if
they're going to compete for the division.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
And even more, they need to get more out of
their twenty twenty four draft class.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
That Oh, Yeahan's got to be a player.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Got good will too, Yeah, and Nyland as well. Niland
as well has to step.

Speaker 8 (30:58):
Up, you know.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
And if for me as just people keep talking about
guy and I still say look out for Austin Richards
and see exactly what he could do. But that's once
again you start saying that that's where I get the
seven in the possible. It's like, I don't know, and
until I figure out and I see it, I'm going
to say this. Could they change my mind? Could they?
Could they go to Philadelphia September fourth, knowing that now

(31:21):
they got to play them, It's spend all summer getting
ready for this thing and play great, And could Philadelphia
come out there and have a hangover from winning this thing?
It could happen. We you know, it rarely does in
these games on Thursday Night, but it could. I mean
we saw when they went down there to Tampa Bay
to take on Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Everybody did their jobs at the kicker and Dak was
coming off the injury that year, right, Yeah, yeah, everybody
four Yeah, he had a magnificent game.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Everybody did the job at the kicker.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
I think they do have more dynamic playmakers on offense
than they've had in a long time. I agree, and
I think that makes a difference. And like you said,
I think they're going to be hard to score with,
and maybe that changes the way everybody plays him. Maybe
you can't run against them all as much as you'd
like to because you're trying to keep up with them.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
And that was mentioned yesterday. I forget who mentioned it.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
I'll find that in the break, but there was a
player that mentioned that yesterday. Is when talking about stopping
the run. There it was mentioned that, well, this this
offense is expected to score a lot.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
So that's that's another point.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
And so we say that at times about this offense,
assuming the left tackle position is fixed. Yeah, and we
should not do that. Seventy seven he walks through.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
That door he walked out last time.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
I saw exactly he said goodbye. He walked through the
door and said goodbye to.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Seventy who wasn't quite the same last year.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Right, right, So these are these are going to be
challenges and until I get it answered. I learned from
last year. See last year, I believed the hope. I'm
off that hope.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
They were coming off three twelve win seasons. They were
a dominant team at home. Why would you not believe
in them? You know why green Bay loss?

Speaker 3 (32:59):
No? Because I was still it was art conversations are
Buddy Rick Goslin that question marks about the trenches in
both places, offensive and defensive lines. And I got, I got.
I bought into the whole thing with the rookies, and
I shouldn't have bought into that on the offensive line
and the defensive line. Okay, you know what, Maz, He's
gonna be better. No, I was wrong, and so I

(33:20):
am going to be skeptical until I'm proven right. And
and that's just me.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Especially when it comes to that defensive tackle situation like
that's that's one I don't see how it gets soft.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
And you know, Goslin said another great things. We can't
block the Eagles, can't beat them. You gotta block them.
You have to figure out how to block them. And
you got a rookie here who wants some smoke. Okay,
let's let's see what happens, and and maybe they can't
with a new offensive line coach. But just to assume,
Hey man, we're gonna do. I can't buy that anymore.

(33:52):
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Speaker 3 (36:13):
Media Mash the Hall of Famer Ed Werder currently working
over a w f A a TV. We got Nick
Harris who's now over at the Star Telegram name Dallas
Cowboy dot com. Alum, I am Newie Scruggs. All right. Uh,
mister Pickens spoke yesterday and whoever is working with him? Uh,

(36:34):
in terms of speaking to the media, and kudos, kudo,
he's got it down.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
He should go ahead and slide upstairs after this.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
That's those specifically. Are you referencing PR Department?

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, PR Department. Shout out to them.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Adam Scott, shout out to them. You got them on board.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
I have a staff for you. There was George Pickens
on on George Pickens I was, it.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Was on Cowboys PR.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
It kind of is it?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Kind of is here?

Speaker 4 (37:01):
George Pickens was asked twenty four questions yesterday, how long
do you think the cumulative run time was of all
of his answers? Twenty four questions twenty four questions.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
I was told he gave about eight word answers each time,
so four and a half.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Minutes a minute, six two minutes, fifty two seconds, seven
seconds per answer.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
The less he says, the better, exactly, exactly, you know what.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Kudos to him. Yeah, in this day and age where
boy people just.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
You don't take everything the wrong way.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
You don't have to have an opinion on everything.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
I wish four people would take that stance. I really
do he does.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
If they did it, there might be four of us
in the studio right now.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
JJ T's gonna be back, Okay, really good, Doc Taylor.
That's the best joke with out there. Doc Taylor's on assignment,
so he'll be back. But but that's that, That truly
is the key for someone like George Pickens coming into
a situation where okay, you left, there's a lot a
lot of things said. He could burn the house down
if he wanted to. There's other ways he could go

(38:13):
into something. You know what, let me just take this
high road.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Talk about Dallas, don't talk about Pittsburgh. There you go,
talk about the opportunity here and not what went wrong there?

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Right right, So, so, whoever's working with him they got
it down. He understood the assignment and and he gives nothing.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
He'll let us slip eventually, surely, right, because he has
to feel a time so he is Ultimately he has
to feel a type of way about the narrative that
was pushed out of Pittsburgh on his way out.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Once he has success, he can address and.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
You know, maybe so there you go, all right, if
you're showing some people wrong, Hey, people have some things
to say about me.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
When he has a two hundred yard game with three touchdowns,
he's to say Pittsburgh gave up on.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Him for no reason.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
And he's walking out, walking into the tunnel, He's like,
take that, Mike Toblin, you know, And that's that's a statement.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
I'll say this when receivers walk out of that door
more times than not. Mike tomlins one who's looking good.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, that's fact.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
The question is going to be, how is he going
to react when he's got two receptions, three targets and
twenty six yards.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
We shall see your your old friend, Tera Lewans did
not take kindly to those types of days. But you
think about the guys who've left Pittsburgh, Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace,
san Antonio Holmes, Chase Claypool, Deontay Johnson. You know none

(39:31):
of those guys. There's only been one guy who's left
out of there who you would say had some modicum
of six's eyes. It's Plexico Burst caught the game winning
touchdown passed by the Giants when they beat the undefeated
New England Patriots. But if it's I said, there's two
trades you don't want right now, a receiver from Pittsburgh
and a quarterback from Andy Reid. If they're calling you offering,

(39:53):
I don't know if I have think that I want that.
I mean, you know what they had.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
The Cowboys put themselves in a position where they had
to take this risk, and I think it's a risk
worth taking. Look, the guy is an incredibly talent. Now
he's not going to catch every ball. He's going to
drop some balls, but he's going to beat one on
one coverage and he's going to catch the ball when
he's covered you don't think he can. And he's gonna
add a measure of confidence to the offensive side of
the ball. I mean, I think the quarterback's very much

(40:19):
on board with this acquisition, even though he's gonna have
to do some babysitting for it to work.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
With the exception of Chase Claypool, all those names that
you mentioned there on more so on the back half
of their career when Pittsburgh has let them go. Now,
how much does that equate here with the George Pickens
thing being twenty four years old.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
We'll see.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
But I think if you just take a football aspect
of it and you throw out the off the field,
he does have his best football in front of him.
It is the question of if off the field we'll
get in the way of what he eventually produces on
the But I'll say that Antonio Brown specifically, that is
a wild case to look at his time in Pittsburgh
and then the second he left there, how nuclear it

(40:58):
got for Antonio Brown.

Speaker 13 (41:00):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
And that's a credit to the Steelers for keeping that
as quiet as they did for that many years, because yeah,
we saw Antonio Brown's like this hot head, but we
didn't see him as a problem, and he became a
very big problem very fast.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I mean, he's done a fan Mike Tomlin has done
a fantastic coaching job, and people forget what he dealt
with with with Ben Roethlisberger been had issues for a
while too, and yep, so he was able to deal
with it and he is. I don't know if he'll
go into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but they
will have a conversation about him. And you've been you know,

(41:32):
you know what that that building's like because you're.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
A longevity and and uh, changing a Super Bowl. He's
I think he's gonna he's a lock with what he's
already done. That being said, they've been a horrible team
on offense for the last few years and they've had
no stability at quarterback. George Pickens has a way better
chance to succeed and set him up for financial riches
beyond this season by being a part of this team. Yeah,

(41:55):
and he just has to recognize that and be an
adult and be responsible in what he says and does
and so far, but what could he do so far
other than he could have ripped Steelers.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
And you know what, Yeah, he could have came here flamethrowing,
making declarations and debt. No, he didn't do any of that,
which to me, I just look at Okay, good on him, and.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
How smart for cedde Lamb to say, hey, we're both
number ones. I'm not a one and he's a two.
We're both ones.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
We're equals thirty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
I'd be fine, that's pretty magnanimous.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
And say I'm fine too, And shoot, I'm sure he
was frustrated if he started looking again, like, you know what, man,
can I get to somebody over here, some little bit
of help.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
He has to know he's never getting seventeen hundred yards
again as long as both of them are healthy.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
He has to know that.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
It needs to be about winning for everybody at this
for sure. For sure, those guys have all had all
the stats and all the accolades, and they've been on
top of the money list. They need to win in
the postseason. Now, that's what it's all about.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah, I would hope you're right, ed. I would hope
everyone thinks that way. But I remembered John Stalworth complaining
to Chuck Noll after a game in which he didn't
didn't feel like he got the ball, And uh, he said, John,
but we won the game. And John looks at Chuck Nole.

(43:14):
I'd like to think we could do both. I made
my catches win the gate. So when it comes to receivers,
man and You know, John is a Hall of Famer,
and you know he never he never calls issues or anything.
But even John couldn't be made happy. Man, I just
don't know.

Speaker 11 (43:33):
So.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
I mean, he only won four super bow You won
four super Bowls. I mean, if that guy can't get
happy on a running team, okay, a running team, and yes,
they were passing it towards the end of Super Bowl
thirteen and fourteen. But if you can't make that dude happy,
I don't know, Ed, I just don't know if you
can make them happy today.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Man, Receivers are different, are different.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
They are a different breed. Do you see anything else
out there yesterday? Yeah, there was a few things to
that that caught my eye. It's relative to the position room,
so you take it for what it is. Brevin span
Ford looked really good. I know that's a random name
to throw out there, but I think if you're looking
at a tight end two battle, I think you might
have one coming a training camp.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
This guy looked great yesterday.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
He looks like he's added about ten fifteen pounds, added
some athleticism.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Looked strong out there. You know, Luke scoon Maker watch.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Out unfortunately, because they're in volunteer mode here. Yeah, you can't,
you know, can you block? That's to me, that's that
big thing. Yeah, if he's a playing schoonmak, he's got
to be able to block.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
We saw it last year. We saw it for Brevin
last year. I mean it was how he carved a
roster spot to begin with and kept it throughout the year.
You look at the snap counts last year when Scoon
Maker was in the doghouse, it was Brevin span Ford
getting those opportunities instead and succeeding with them. So it's
always been about the receiving aspect with him, is can't
he provide any sort of element offensively to create some playmaking?

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Will it matter?

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Oh, now you're gonna get phone?

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Was that come on?

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Which phone?

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Was that that person?

Speaker 12 (45:04):
My man?

Speaker 1 (45:05):
My man?

Speaker 3 (45:06):
What about?

Speaker 2 (45:08):
I actually really liked what Elam did yesterday.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
He was he was feisty, he had a couple of
PBUs and uh actually caught some confidence for some other
guys in the secondary too. I Mean, that's a guy
that there they are going to need day one when
they when they fly to Philadelphia to take on the Eagles.
If he's not ready for that game, that could get
out of out of control quickly. But he looked good yesterday.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
He was one of my standards.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
That's a guy in the Buffalo secondary that Mahomes went
at in the player.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah, yep, and had some successful little bitsiness.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
And and the Bills got rid of him, even though
they then went into the draft with cornerback being their
biggest position of need. They spent a one on this
guy and they get rid of him, and cornerback is
their biggest area of need in the draft.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Another area that I I that caught my eye yesterday.
The linebackers look good.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
This is a This feels like a different linebacker crew
than what it was last year, just from athleticism. They
look youthful. It's it's uh, it's different from years past.
I think this linebacker and that's without overshown and that's
without overshown exactly, and it's it's it's it's deep too.
I mean, you have the veterans, and you have the
veteran and Kenneth Murray, you have the middle of the
back guy and Jack Sanborn, and you have the young

(46:13):
guy and Mary slea foul and Shamar James had to.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Pick six yesterday.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
Buddy Johnson who's kind of a bottom of the roster
type guy had an interception yesterday and then you'll get overshown.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
We throw all these interceptions.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Joe Milton through both of them yesterday on back to
back place. If I if I might add, but.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
It really hard.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
He threw it really hard.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, it was really far.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Factoring in the linebacker group, you hope that they can
get the most out of that group without having to
ask them to do more than what they're required.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Because the defensive tackle situation is so bad.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
You because you saw that last year in the beginning
of the season specifically, is these defensive tackles had no
idea what the hell was going on, and it affected.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
The linebacker group significantly.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
And the linebacker group didn't really bounce back, I felt
like until about week eleven. And when you you can't
be eleven weeks into the season until your linebacker group
is able to play because of what's happening in front
of them. If that linebacker group can play to their
strengths and play to what they are responsible for, I
think it's gonna be a really strong group.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Sweet.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
What about the UCLA kid, the defensive tackle.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Yeah, I mean we can will certainly see about him,
and I honestly can't tell anything until they start tackling exactly.
I'm higher on him than than where his draft position
ended up, being him as a three. I think on
their board that would be Yeah, that's insane. That makes
me wonder where some of these undrafted free agents landed.
But I think I think as we get to preseason,

(47:32):
we won't really know exactly his full effect. But I
would say, Mozzie Smith, watch out there because he's a
big body, and he's he's athletic, he's agile. He I
think he provides a little bit of a gap stuffing
that Mazzie Smith has not proven.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
To do through the first two years.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
There's an opportunity, certainly, there's an opportunity for the young man.
I saw Tank Lawrence this week, so look good.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
How are he and Mike gett along and they're doing
stuff together. They go to the golf tournament together.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I didn't see him on the stream on the he
was he was just going into a rest We were
leaving a restaurant and he was going in one Cowboys club.
No no, it's not downtown. He didn't pay your Dallas No, no, no,
those days are gone, players picking up and doing a
hill stage that's back in.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
It never existed for me, whatever that says.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Ed Werder. Thank you, thank you, sir, thank you, thank you.
Joshi back there. We appreciate you watching the medium of
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