June 4, 2025 • 45 mins
Newy Scruggs, Jean-Jacques Taylor and Nick Harris discuss their impressions of the Dallas Cowboys OTAs, George Pickens and expectations as a Dallas-area pro sports team.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
The following.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys This is Media Match,
a roundtable of Cowboys insiders trumping wisdom and offering sizzling
takes on the current state of your Dallas Cowboys. Now
your host, Newie scrugs.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Media Mash, brought to you by nobody right here for
the SBC podcasts Frisco, Texas. Who we got young Nick
cares from Fort Worth Star Telegram and caught the author,
former Cowboy Beat writer. He is Jean Jacques Taylor. I
am new He scrugs here, all right, guys. Uh, yesterday
(00:54):
Stephen Jones was asked about Michael Parsons and asked about
Michael Parsons and ask more and more about Michael Parsons
and he goes fred up. Yeah, Nick, your takeaway from
Steven's frustration, This isn't the first time he's got questions.
I mean, lord knows the last two Dak Prescott questions.
I mean, he got hit up all day long.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
But yeah, rarely have.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
We seen Steven get to this type of boiling point
like he did.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, and he has to see it coming that that
he's going to be getting these questions right, and the
frustration that he had was almost as if he was
caught off guard by the question. And that's going to
be the first thing we ask about right now, because
that's the most pressing thing left in the offseason is
when's Michael Parson's gonna get his deal back?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And I'm thinking of it just like you. Okay, this
is all fixable. Yeah, we don't know why it's not fixable,
and he's not going to give us that because the
nature of the negotiations. But well, this was coming. And
when you look at the fact guys that other teams
(01:56):
wanted on these they're done. That's the frustrating part for
Cowboy fans. Clamb last year.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
In Sanity, bab and Tyler Smith's gonna be coming.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
It doesn't stop, It doesn't stop.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
The only question really, though, is how long does it take?
Like it doesn't really matter that it's not done right now,
It really doesn't. It matters to me, not that Steven
cares what I think.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
But it matters.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Is it done on day one of training camp so
that it doesn't drip into the season.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Uh, that's what matters.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You'd like to have it done now.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
But you don't want a.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Situation where what do we have? Well, I think if
he signs now, he'll be ready to play by the
first game. You don't want that because this team is
not good enough to give away some games because their
best player is not available for week one. So as
long as he's good when at first see, we gotta
go old school. When the first training camp practice happens,
(02:55):
you could even show you ain't got to be done
on the day's camp starts. First practice though. You need
number eleven out there.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So when I think about the schedule, yeah, okay, the schedule.
You start off at Philadelphia on a Thursday night and
the home teams a Super Bowl champion traditionally wins that game.
We just kind of look at the numbers here, but
it's a divisional game. Your second game is a divisional game.
It's against the Giants. Here, you're looking at the back
(03:26):
half of the schedules, rough, Okay, you start looking at
November twenty third. You go Philadelphia, Kansas City, Detroit, Minnesota,
LA Chargers, Washington Commanders of New York Giants. The first
part of the schedule is kind of where you in
October September October. You got to try and gain some
ground here, and if your best defensive player is not
here or you sign him late, and then he's like
(03:47):
ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Was well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
No, I am stuff going on. No, No, you know
you're this team isn't good enough having to go up
against the NFC North, the AFC and the two teams
who finished in the NFC Championship game in your division
to not have their best player here ready to go
(04:10):
ramped up.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
And every indication that Mike has given us since this
contract stuff has come about is that he will be
here at training camp until he had this little two
sentence quote and a tweet that he had last night,
and I want to get your guys opinion on this.
This is in reference to mandatory mini camp next week.
He said, I will be there. I haven't missed a
mini camp in four years. That's fact. Even though the
contract is not done. I have teammates in a playbook.
(04:31):
This is the part I'm preparing as if I will
be on the field the first week of camp. But
it's in the owner's hands. Well that that tells me, hey,
I'll be there first week of camp. But it's up, Jerry.
You know I'm planning on it, But it's up Jerry.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Jock, You've been right in a long time. We know what,
we know what. But means, hey, man, everything I just said,
but just take it out, no man, But it's in
the owner's hands. Meaning but if the owner doesn't have
me sign, I'm not doing this.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I'm not doing I'll be there when my dealers done.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And it's the old Ricky Waters line for who for what?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Man, That's just the way it is. And that's why
to me, everybody's who signed and his you know, to
help determine his market's been done. We know what the
numbers are. We probably put him down right now and
be within, you know, real close to it. And so
it's not real complicated to me. It's just, you know,
this the way the Cowboys do business and have done business.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And I you know, I'm not going to sit up
here and act like I talk to anybody. I know
what's going on here. I don't just look from the outside.
The frustrating part for Cowboy fans is the Eagles get jobbed,
they get things done. The Lions are getting things done,
the Rams are getting things.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
We don't know what goes on in their household. True,
and that's what your parents used to say.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
But as Parcels used to say, don't talk to you
about the labor. Show me the baby, show me the baby.
Your baby late ever, what to do date baby baby lay?
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Every year we've got a twelve month baby.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I was probably everybody getting their babies out gestature your
baby all breached and late and the whole thing and
see sectioned out.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Man.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It's just like, at some point in time, man, can
we deliver this baby on time?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Baby talking words coming out right right?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
You know, it's like, let's still hope, man, They still
hope it can get done. There's no good reason for
it not to get done. But we said that before.
So you know, we've all said what the definition of
insanity is? You know, you're doing the same thing hope
for a different results. So cowboys, I like to say
that they are smart people, and so I believe that
(06:43):
they will see what has happened, especially with a guy
like Stone look at me like that, specially with a
guy like Michael and what you need from him for
the season. You just want him there, hey, Cap, you
don't need no strained quads, no strained hamstrings because you
didn't get off.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You just do that. And let's add this in here
as well. Guys probably should have mentioned this earlier. This
is the third defensive coordinator that Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Is going to have in three So what is.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It Matt Eberflus wants to do with Parsons? You kind
of need him out there. We can go back to
the first training camp when Dan Quinn was here and
he figured out, Okay, this is what I like from Parsons,
this is what I want to do, and so he's
out there having those conversations with Mike McCarthy and I
remember the times after practice there, McCarthy and Quinn and
(07:34):
Mike and they're walking up and down the field having
those conversations, and d Q started kind of formulating a
vision of what he wanted to do. If you're going
to be fair to Brian Schottenheim, if you're going to
be fair to Matt Eberflus, to get this team and
this defense running, put the key piece that you want
to go at, your chest piece that you need out there,
(07:56):
Get him there, get him there going, get him there happy.
Let's not drag this thing out. And I say all this.
Something could be done tomorrow, something over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
It's not hard to get it done. It's really not.
I mean, anytime we've had these situations again, we can
come up with what the numbers are because they're just
slotting in the head of the last gay, the latest guy,
the newest It's not that hard to put the numbers together.
They had the cap room to do it. You know,
it's a matter of getting it done.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, it's the most mind numbing topic this entire offseason,
hands down, because you know what's going to get done.
It's a matter of times, a matter of if and win.
It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.
But it's just it's it's my number to talk about
because I feel like we could all predict the number
right now.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
We'd all predicted, just as we did with DAK and CD.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, you're right, you're right, and that this is the
beat to me not being a full time beat guy
like and and for you and you're.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Have to write one more contract story right in your world.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
It's not only do you have to write it, but
it gets traffic. Yeah, So the bosses want it because
they want the numbers and the thing.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Getting you know, that's that's fascinating you bring that up,
because yes, there was a lot of traffic around the
DAK and CD. I think people are numbed to this
topic too, because the traffic around Mica contract stuff is
not as high as it was around DAK and.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
CD and and I'll tell you one reason why this
is just me Dak being the quarterback of the Cowboys,
and also the way ESPN pushes there, and you have
and and and the the the other little Fox show
with the crazy dudes over there. There's so much. There
was so much debate and disdain from certain people about
the quarterback that it was something they drived and pushed.
(09:34):
There's not a level of disdain for Parsons the way
and debate about it the way it was for the quarterback.
Even to this day. Still you have some reality he's
not worth this and I worked at that that everybody's
pretty much in agreement. Michael Parsons is an elite plat
pass rusher and one of the best in the game.
So that's why I think there's not as much because
(09:55):
it's it's not as polarizing.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Maybe that's the better word I should have be should
be polariz Yeah, they that they have used that as
a polar If you're polarized about Michael Parson's I think
you don't know football.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
And if you're like, if you're none to the contract talk,
just get ready for next offseason because it's gonna be
all this time one hundred. Not only do you have
Tyler Smith, you have Deron Bland. That's gonna be a
very fascinating one track. Uh, Trayvon Dicks, what is what
is his contract situation gonna look like next year? Jake Ferguson,
I mean the list goes down, We're gonna have some
fascinating ones.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I don't thank them lest to that fascinating.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah, I'll give you that. Mor So Blade and Smith
and Brandon Aubrey too. He's gonna be due up.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
So Harvey real, assuming you slapped franchise tag on.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, yeah, cheap franchise makes the most sense.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Go ahead and do that on him. But the other two.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
We'll see the problem with de Ryan Blaine is it's
nobody's fults. Just what it is is he somewhere between
that historic year and what he did last year where
he's he's cool, but he's not special, you know, uh,
and so you're not sure.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
What to pay him.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So he needs this year will be a much better
gauge if he can, if he can be healthy on
who he is as a player.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
So let me throw this out here because it brought
me something we've seen them do before as they tried
to send messages. What they go get a Bland deal done?
Can't Okay, hey you're done. We got you. And they
get him at their price, which we've seen. Oh so
they got at their price. They got digs at their price,
they got a tyrs at their price. Bland may be
(11:25):
a guy who's willing to say, hey, man, let me
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
If I was playing, I would go get it at
my price because I had a historic season. I had
a mess season. You know, I didn't get any real
money when I got drafted in the fifth round, right,
so let me go locked down in the future. See
how I did that right now?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
So I would I would be game for that.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Plus, they're trying to play me in the slot where
the money's not as big as it is on the outside.
My attitude about playing the slot, it's a lot better
when I've already got my deal done.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah yeah, if I was blading, I would lock it
down right now if I could too, because then you're
you're not risking injury of course this next season as well.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And you take fear, you take away. That's a that
is a major thing, as you talked about, Jock, when
you're a day two guy and you haven't been able
to cash in yet and you've got an injury here,
you get the right money, take away the fears. Hey,
I've got life I've got life changing money in my
pocket right now, versus trying to go out to the
market and maybe getting it maybe not, you know, the
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whole maybe part of it. Plus, you know, any good
agent will start to talk about you're living in a
place with an uns state taxes, so you know a
difference between a contract here in New York or California
or or Michigan where the money could be even a
little bit more but not the same.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
So they're also trying to ban THAC So it battances out.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
It'll be all right, regardless.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
What the league says. Politicians negatable. You know, it doesn't
mess with your money there, But I think that that's
something to think about. And then as you look at
someone like anybody who's who's been under a contract lately
that you know, a digs a steal, you're gonna have
to start to wonder, Okay, where are you fitting in
(13:11):
this this world going forward? As they add new deals
like a lamb uh. You know, Tyler Smith will get
paid here depending on what happens with Pickens. Just Pickens
have the kind of year that they say, you know,
we can't let this guy get out of the building here. So, yeah,
every everybody can't stay. This is what we know.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You know, everybody can't stay now.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
As a great great journalist when told me sports is fluid, Yeah,
contracts are fluid too in the NFL. We know this.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I think the funniest possible scenario is they call David Mulligett,
who's Michael Parson's agent. It's like, hey, how's it going
finally talking to Yeah, we know your name. What about Pickens.
Let's get a deal done with Pickens, And they get
a deal done with Pickens instead setting into a contract year.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
That would be interesting. You don't have a Pickens thought,
have a Pickens though, take a break, Okay, George Pickens
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Speaker 3 (16:24):
Jack Taylor, the Carris is here. I am new. He scrugs,
all right, George Pickens change his number this week? Okay,
so number change.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I think I liked him better than thirteen.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I did too. I like Dante Fowler better than three.
But neither here nor there.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, is what it is. Is what it is.
I had a chance to talk to him two weeks
ago in the locker room. Enjoyable conversation, you know. And
this is where I give Dak Prescott a whole lot
of credit. Where he'll just sit in the locker room
and hang out and talk. Pickens is sitting next to him.
(17:00):
The members are there, you know, everybody knows, like it's
not a Dak day to talk. We just you're just
talking to him. We're just talking, yes, humanized something I
wish Tony Romo would have done. He didn't want to
do that. Your choice. But anyway, you could see Pickings
sitting next to Dak, you'd see them perform in a relationship.
But anyway, just having a conversation with him, Okay, Perception
(17:20):
and reality are all these different things. We know this
as guys who go into the room or whatnot. And
I just I left there just saying to myself, you
know what, man, if this kid can make a real
connection with Dak Prescott, he may be able to have
the kind of year where you say, Okay, guess what, hey,
Jerry is a big decision. It has to be made
(17:42):
here about the player. Now it's easy for me to
say right here, we haven't you know, training camp season
tells you a whole different thing. But initially initially like
you know what look out for That's just my thought nick.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
How that has translated onto the field I think has
already been seen too yesterday in OTA's and I try
not to put a whole lot of stock into OTAs
because it's underwear Olympics. It's underwear Olympics. However, when play
in the red zone, they were doing seven on seven
work and Dak's rolling out trying to find an open receiver,
and you can see him communicating with George Pickens offscript
and you see him directing traffic and he throws it
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to Pickens along the sideline and Pickens, fully extended tiptoe
in the sideline, hauls it in. Referee on the side
motions that a touchdown, and I'm looking at that and
I'm like, man, you would think that they've had a
couple of years together already. It's only been a couple
of weeks on the field. So you see that, you
see that chemistry, that communication, You see it already forming
on the field. And I thought that was that was
seeing that conversation and seeing how they bonded. Then you
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saw how that translated between the lines.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Pickens shows signs to me that he cares, and all
three of us have been around long enough to know
there's some dudes who are here because it's this job.
But everything being in the locker room, sitting next to
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the quarterback, as he sees the quarterback working things and
just trying to figure out too, because his dack is
holding court. I'm sure you could tell he's like, who
should I talk to? How do I talk? He's trying
to figure out the lay of the lane from a
guy who's a veteran. So I'm like here saying, like, okay,
he's smart. The first press conference he gave, gave all
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the right answers and then to say bad about Pittsburgh. No,
since it dumped on to me, I have a new chapter.
He we got coached properly, and but he took the
coaching all right. I mean, how many times do you
hear people who who who work with the president. And
we told we told him what to do. He went
up there to start shooting, doing his own thing. He
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stayed on script, and so far, so good that hey,
here are the perceptions and the things that we've heard of.
Right now we're not seeing it, and no bullet to
have flown yet, But right right now what we're seeing
tells me, okay, even with Brian Scheinheimer, the way he's
gone about his business as a head coach, right now,
(20:11):
for all the question you real like, so hey, man,
you're doing you're doing, You're doing what you need to
be doing.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I think that's good. I think one of the things
I always try to do as a reporter is I
really don't care what anybody else has to say about
another person. You know, all the Pittsburgh not all of them,
a lot of Pittsburgh reporters. After they they they traded him,
they came on local radio, Oh he's this, he's that,
he's this, he's that, And really that's just those dudes.
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Individual relationships with him has nothing to do with anybody here.
And so, you know, as a reporter, I always try
to separate myself from from you. From you. I'm not Medya,
I'm just me, and you either get down with me
or you don't. And you try to create your own
individual relationships and give people a chance to show you
who they are in whatever they're newing viment is and
(21:02):
will people will show you whether they cool, whether they're
not cool, whether they selling, letther cuss words. I mean,
they'll show it to you don't have to, you don't
have to wait too long. And so you know, so
I think it's cool that he's come down here taking
advantage of a new start to create new relationships, new environment.
Because the thing about the media is, and I'm just
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gonna keep it real with y'all. It's hard for fifty
year old white men to get down with twenty year
old black men and understand them and where they're coming from.
That's just a hard thing for them to do. And
so I don't really take it into account of anything
that that age bracket has to say about a twenty
year old black football player. What about teammates, teammates I
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paid more attention to, but again it's the same thing.
Everybody's got their own deal some things. For example, if
you are a Cowboys, not me and new are about
to date ourselves, especially for you. But if you're Cowboys
in the early nineties, in the mid nineties, back when
they were winning Super Bowls and going the championship games
and stuff, if Jimmy Johnson was your coach, your teammates
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may say one thing about you, because that's what leadership is.
If Barry Swiss is your coach, they may say another
thing about you because there's a different leaderships. So it's
a different expectation, it's different standards, different everything, And so
you know, you just have to give people room for
maturity and growth. I'm not the saying dude that was
at thirty or at forty or at fifty. I'm not
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gonna date your age, but you're not saying, guy, you
were at eighteen or at twenty or twenty one.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Now you mentioned a word there that hits a lot
times too, is maturity and Randy. I tell people all time,
I truly believe Randy Moss succeeded because of where he
went to. Went to Minnesota. Here's Danny Green, there's Jake Reed,
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there is Chris Carter, and that where he went to.
And I come back in this watch George Pickens and
just watching body language and trying to do and I
study a lot of just human nature. You going over
to Dak Prescott and sitting here and trying to be
around of it. Then what you've talked about here he is,
here's a dude with respect, Here's a guy that's that's it's,
(23:16):
you know, getting things done the right way. Let me
go over here Pittsburgh. We look at the quarterback situations
a lot. It's kind of messy, and it is still messy. Okay,
it is still messy in Pittsburgh. I at least give
the guy credit. And I go back to this business.
Philosopher's name is Jim Roney says, you know what, the
five people you hang around is going to tell a
whole lot about your life, financially, in educational, like the
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five people around as a receiver to say, you know what,
here's Dak Prescott. Let me go hang around this guy.
See what he's doing here. Dak Prescott's had us to
me and I can I debate people this whole time?
Has a hell had a hell of a career. You know,
even Tony Romo with people you go from undrafted, free
age like Tony Romo and do it he and Lee
the way he did. Okay, hey, you know in terms
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of that kind of that's a lot that Dak Prescott
wasn't in the fourth round pick. He was the second
fourth round pick.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Okay, he could become the franchises all time leading pastor
this year.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Right, this guy's had a help for career. And so
for a guy like Pickings, you're coming over here for
that situation, a man, let go gravitate toward this guy
that shows him some common sense as opposed to wishing
Mozzie Smith would.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Him gravitated to anyone literally gravitated to anyone.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Hello, Yeah, yeah, So there's a lot more to go,
but I'm just going by it. Here's here's your sample size.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
So the reason I ask about teammate, and I brought
this up on the on the show, I think the
day after the trade is uh, I grew up with
a player that's on the Steelers now, and I called
him the morning after the trade. I said, hey, you
know who is George Pickens? From your perspective. You know,
I'm not gonna report anything. I'm just kind of here
like getting perspective here. And he had mentioned great teammates,
Like everybody in the locker room loves him. He's the
kid in class that all the kids love and all
(24:57):
the teachers hate. And it's it's professionalism. It was showing
up late to meetings, showing up late for await away
game flights, things like that. It's the little things. And
when you have a guy like George Pickens who's so
good on the field, it's kind of like a guy
that makes all the threes, you can trust him off
the bench, but when it comes to just making the
layups and making your free throws, he just can't get
it done. And so Dak great person, to gravitate too.
(25:20):
When you want to make your layups and make your
free throws. That's a guy who's made a lot of
layups and free throws. He needs more of the three pointers.
So if they can work together, he could work out
for him.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So I tell everybody this. When you say that, immediately
in my mind, go back and watch the Last Dance
and how Jordan dealt with Dinnis.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I love all your Last Dance references. How many times
have you seen it through?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
It is, you know, for a for a guy who
grew up in North Carolina, when you're right when he
was playing, when he was playing, my introduction to basketball
was eighty two. I just connected the dots, okay, and
just so you know, for that whole thing, to watch
the whole the whole thing, you know, because Dennis, while
he was with the Pistol into with Chuck Dave Dinnis
(26:01):
was a great citizen. When he went to San Antonio,
he became all that got away from it. And then
when he went to the Bulls, you know, they were
able to you know, bother, but it was it was
a guy like Michael Jordan and the respect he had,
you know, what he did in San Antonio with David Robinson.
He was to be a pull off of Michael Jordan.
And I think for a guy like was, a guy
like Pickens when you see Pete, you know, respect that's
(26:24):
so much. Sometimes it's just you can have all the
coaches you want to, it's dudes in the room to
kind of help get that done. And that's like with
the Randy Moss. You know, it's dudes in the room.
And I think a guy like Pickens, who's a talented guy,
will respect people who are here at that level.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
It's a great point because who is the leader in
that locker room? Naja Harris maybe, and look where he
is now and he's gone. Yeah, you know, yeah, he's gone.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
You have to respect your leadership, man, and it had
You know, every team's got some guys who proclaimed to
be leaders, who've been appointed leaders.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
But if you don't respect them, it doesn't matter. But
let's also just understand this. Everybody wants to get paid. Okay,
you come in this game and you have an opportunity,
you want to get paid. You're playing for the Dallas Cowboys.
All the games they have on national TV in the spotlight,
they have me right out the gate Man, you're on
Thursday night. You know this is the opportunity for George
Pickens to get paid.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
You're gonna have a pregame segment, buddy, They're gonna look
at you with that number three jersey on in pregame
warm ups.
Speaker 9 (27:19):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
So, so, whether whether it's here or somewhere else, if
George Pickens has an outstanding season, he's going to get paid.
And I remember Sparky Anderson who managed the Tigers, who
are World Series of the Cincinnati Reads a big red machine. Say,
you know, give me twenty five guys on a one
year deal win World Series. You know, dudes find a way.
(27:40):
I mean even DeMarco Murray, I mean DeMarco Murray seemed
like he was hurt all the time. He was even
hurting the US a free agent, but dog going to
dog NFL Offensive Player of the Year. I mean, dud dudes.
Dudes smell the bag, man, They smell a bag, and
Pickings shouldn't be any different than anyone else. Man, here's
a bag to be had by an owner who's willing
to give a bag, especially to an offensive player.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
You might just get it the day before the season starts.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
That's it.
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The Eagles are world champions, so you get that. You
get that when you o Ohio State, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Oh well, it wouldn't even buy those, man, but it be.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
What it be. Pay people man, professional people paper, you
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Speaker 1 (31:01):
Man.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Happy. I'm happy for you, Jacques.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Happy.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
We ain't getting the trophy back.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Hey, look, I'm just happy for Ryan day Man. The
way you fans.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Treated him was discussing you fans.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I just tod you.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I don't know what the crad.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I felt bad for that guy. I like Ryan day Man.
He didn't deserve that. He deserves treating that man like that.
But dog on it, they can't say they can't give
the Earl Bruce treatment anymore. Dog on it.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
You better win another one next year, man.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Please, he does. Jeremiah Smith needs to cut off his
salary moving.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
For you what I mean, See, that's the greediness of
a fan base. Like you win another one, you're lucky
if you just win one in your life. Man. One.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Well we're on a pretty good pace. We won one
every decade and I'm cool with that.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
If you win one, man, just that's that's that's to
be happy. It's hard, hey, man, I get that though.
It's hard. Some one of the things that always burns it.
Jane Smith should have won more like these like these
are easy. God, I'll come back here. They looking like
John Wooden. So I was lucky enough to work in
Los Angeles being around John Wooden and people forget me,
sixteen years win what the first one? These are hard.
(32:11):
It's as hard it's not.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
It's been thirty years here. These things are hard to do.
It's hard to win, man. I mean, they should have
won in No. Seven fourteen sixteen. They had opportunities. It
was all there in front of them. I'll get it done.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I'll disagree with you on those seven. Yeah, should have
been there, But I don't think they win the game.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
If they go it don't matter. Just get there.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I mean, they played, they played the Patriots earlier in
the year, and it was it was no contact in
Texas Stadium.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
That's what you know.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
It's like a Mary Barber run though, the two yard run, the.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
One hundred yard run, the game two yards times. But yes,
they should have been there. That's all I'm saying. They
had chances to get to the super Bowl. They just
haven't done it. And that's why there's so much disdaining
about quarter bait.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That And it's also I just man, there's there's kind
of a culture thing about this town. What do you
mean in the sports. I mean, there's been so much
in twenty five years that I've been here, and there's
been a lot more sports disappointment than the victory.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Like the Devi Stars.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, three straight, three straight and you can't even get
there to the final.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
They got one and they got spanked in that one,
but they got to you know, so it's just just there.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I mean, yeah, when Tampa Bay and the and the
and the bubble and now look, Tampa Bay was you know,
that was a little dynasty they had, right, Tay was
a better team, you know, better team, But just you know,
it's we've seen it, man. FC Dallas, they finally get
to the front, they lose. I mean the MAVs the
first time O six, you go up to oh On Miami,
it's game three. I'm sitting here at the arena. They're up,
(33:48):
They're up thirteen with six to go, and I'm like, man,
I really don't want to sweep because I want to
stay in Southeast five days. I'm not trying to go back.
And then they lost the game and didn't win another one.
You say, to South Beach five days A Yeah, that
was you know that that that part was not bad
the hotel, right, yeah, you know, no, that was the
(34:12):
second time, Nick, that was the second time. That was
the second time. That was the second time. Yeah, the
first time we were fine. Second time was when we
got got we didn't know about that Memorial Day activity.
But yeah, man, there's just been a lot of it,
a lot of disappointment. You know. I was reading the
other day about going back to the twenty eleven World
Series in Game six and you know, one strike away twice.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah, that was that was there for that.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, that's the Mona Lisa of Dallas Sports disappointment.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I mean, that was that was brutal.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, And I having been at these games too. That
was I remembered going to Bush Stadium and because then
the guy ran the clubhouse, Hoggy Price, He's like, yeah,
he said, man, Nooster, we had to take the champagne
now because we had put the.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Plastic they you know, interviews with plastic in the background,
the T shirts.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I mean, it's all there. And then so when you're
walking down there, you're passing all the families because that family,
the families are right there because they're you know, they're
ready there for the celebration too. And it's like, ooh, yeah,
I said, So when you say on Cowboys, it's it's
it's we've seen what two parades. I've seen two parades
(35:23):
in twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Man, it's a fascinating point JJT. Because when they did
get it a couple of years ago, the Rangers, there
was still I don't know how y'all felt still in
the back of my mind that disappointment and hurt from
twenty eleven. It's like, yeah, it feels great, but now
I wish that twenty eleven team had it. Do you
think the Cowboys franchise will kind of have the same feeling.
It's like, when that time comes around, it's like, oh,
they should have had in sixteen. Though there's still disappointment there,
(35:45):
like a ring's a ring. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Oh those people are gonna be dead.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I think there's so much distance, no matter. So what
was interesting on the field in Arizona. There's Michael Young,
there's Ian cam And and there's Agent Beltrain. They were
all there and you know they're still young guys, and
you start thinking about the guys who played here to
the last one. I mean, you know, Troy A mean
(36:11):
is what fifty five?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
No, we are saying nine, okay, So.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I mean these guys are you know versus you know,
these other dudes in Beltra. These guys worked to you know, decade,
you know, plus from from playing in that in that series.
That's how Josh Hamilton about a month and a half ago,
you know, so you know it's still fresh to those guys.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Josh Hamilton would have he'd have a statue out there.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah. Well, I've always said it had. The twenty eleven
Rangers is like the Cowboys Super Bowl thirteen team, that
Cowboy team. There's a lot of gold Jackets lost that day.
And when the Rangers didn't win, it twenty eleven. There's
a lot of people's careers in textas that are changed.
Josh Hamilton's contract is done, he never leaves.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
They can get home nine of the tenth.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
To tenth hit the two run home at ten, so
doesn't get traded, none of it. Ron Washington is still
the manager. I mean, there's a lot of these things
are still here because there's now there's grace, and there's
a championship and you you forgive a whole lot when
you win and bring you know, he's our champion. Lives
are yeah, life. John Daniels has thought up differently. You know.
(37:27):
By the time when John, when John left here, man,
people were frustrated and they were mad. You put a
championship on it. You know, there's you get. You know,
there's a lot of gifting that you get. And you're
able to to to breathe a little bit, which your
guy Ryan Dad Ohio State, he's able to breathe. Mac
Brown went through it down in Texas and when he
finally won it, man, hey, brother, that can breathe. Now
they're off me and it would have been the first
(37:50):
for the Ranger. So that's the other thing to win.
It's that first one. It's like, but Madonno and Hitchcock
and and Darien Hatchard, all those guys with the stars
have man, I mean those guys are still heroes to
this day. Yeah, those guys feel. I took my kid
to the game Sunday of the Range and there's a big, old,
beautiful mural of Michael Leng and I'm just like, I
(38:11):
hated that guy. He didn't get to have that. And
then I think about d Ware and being on the
field in San Francisco when he won the Super Bowl
with the Broncos and talking to Uncle Wag you away
he was down there too. It's like, man, you know,
you guys weren't able to get that feeling with the Cowboys,
and just how different your life is if you're able
to have that moment in a Cowboy uniform.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
You do that in the Cowboys uniform, it's immortality.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Immortality, it's and I would tell people all the time,
and Drew Pearson hadn't played and caught a past his
eighty three and looked at how he's revered and thought
of in this town, Like that's that's what winning. Winning
in the town. It's like, you know, Albert Pool Holds
in Saint Louis. He left ten year deal, but he's
still that guy in Saint Louis because it's the Cardinals.
(39:00):
It's winning a championship in LA. If you're a Laker,
I mean, it just means more in a certain place,
being a champion with the New York Yankees. And yeah,
if you're a cowboy player and you're able to win
a championships, a whole different deal.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
I mean, Charles Haley, he was barely here when you
factor in everybody else that was on those teams and
how long that they stayed on this team Charles Haley was.
He was here for a blink, but he won championships.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
But the thing about Charles is he was that final
like he was he was like boom, that guy they
needed him. And and so while he wasn't here quote
unquote that long, everybody knew the importance of what he
brought to that defense. And especially in Super Bowl twenty
seven when they get the punt blocked and they're down
(39:43):
in the game and they helped turn things around. It's
a great NFL Films clip where he says, hey, guys,
let's not get excited, Butcher's over here. Trying to help
us out to the line coach Butch Davis at the time,
and the Cowboys steadied themselves and then went on a
second quarter incredible run and win that game against the
Bills fifty two a deem the youngest team in the league,
but they had the number one defense they have, But
(40:03):
Charles was such a huge part of that. They needed
that guy to get it done. And sometimes you're able
to make the proper trade for a veteran to get
it done. He comes from San Francisco with two Super
Bowl rings, like when San Francisco originally brought in Fred
Dean from the Chargers and he helped them win there
for a Super Bowl. Sometimes you get guys that but
we need you to help us get here and it
(40:24):
works out great, and and you're a legend for him
Dion going to San Francisco. They needed Dean to finally
help them get through and come with a swagger and
do these things like that. So yeah, holding the stats.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
So Jack Sanborne will be that be that guy. George Pickens. Honestly,
I can see Pickens being that final piece of the offense.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
But that defense needs help. Okay, what's the uh? I
was talking about this, What's what's the what's the bigger
issue on defense? And stop the run? Who's going to
play corner?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Stop the run?
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Stop the run is the biggest thing. I mean, the
spine of that defense is so unreliable, and it's been
that way for five years.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I always go back to what Hall of Famer Warren
Sap said, back don't work without the front. And you know,
you just think about all your your great defenses, you know,
the the Steel Curtain, Doomsday, Purple people leaders. It was
about what was up front. And you can mask some
things of people in the back, but you know, I
don't I don't care how good you. I mean, you know,
(41:19):
if you're Deon Sanders, if nobody's getting at the quarterback,
you know it's gonna be hard. It'd be hard to
cover somebody for so long. I mean, you know they're
gonna get loose. So it's up front. And I think
about the five Super Bowl championship teams that the Cowboys
have had here. All of those teams had fantastic D
linemen and had Hall of famers on the D line,
you know, from Bob Lily to Randy White toward Charles Hey.
(41:39):
They had guys up front and right now, it's a problem.
And when you're counting on Massie Smith right now, I
would not have a lot of confidence there because, as
Bill Parcels you say, all I go by is what
I see right now. I'm not seeing a run stopper there.
Maybe you're a guy from UCLA J T. Can can
(42:01):
can get it done. But I'm concerned. And right out
of the gate, here's Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
If you could pick one player on this team to
have a Pro Bowl season, like okay, that that's gonna
be the guy, it's Mozzie Smith. I can hear an
argument for somebody else, but I really don't think there's
a strong one.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
One text make Pro Bowls these days?
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Yeah, but if you do make a Pro Bowl as
a one sec it means you were a game wrecker.
It means it means you really didn't make some say
what yeah is like my, my, I guess the gauge
of good because there's like six of them that make
it these days.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
How much you just become dependable, you know.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Give me a dependable Mazie Smith.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
That's that's that's really the that's the bar at this point,
Hey make you just be dependable and a guy they
can count on here and you know, and and and
even go back to do you care? That's that's that's
a question right now. Sometimes you wonder about how much
do you care?
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Man?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
How much does this mean to you? You know? Once again,
Jack and I were around for the old days, man,
And I know it was saying to wide and think
about the old days and the old days, but you
knew dudes who cared, they had got that was that
was a prerequisite around. You had to care, and if
you didn't, you won't gonna be around.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Your teammates would hold you accountable for care.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Not the last dance reference with bj Armstrong said Michael
was hard to be around if you didn't care about basketing. Basically,
he was gonna run you off.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I mean, it's like Mike, and that's like Troy if
DJ Mike for sure. Yeah, you don't tell me.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Uh, you know, it had to mean something to you,
because it meant something to them. They had what was it?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Somebody was telling me a story a few weeks ago. Uh,
he was a rookie and he was walking. Uh it
was ninety four rookie class and a couple of them
walked in the locker room for the first time. Mike's
in there half naked as usual. Guy said, just some
tights and some shoes. And somebody said they Mike, those
those those guys are part of the rookie class. And
(44:05):
they walked over there and stuck their hand out to
shake it. It might say, I don't give a bliep
about your handshake. How you're gonna help us win? And
this is coming off of back back Super Bowls. M
That's what it was about, how you're gonna help us win.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
It was a stand out of here there was a standard,
was a standard.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Trying to get it back.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Shot. He's gonna try and get it back. He's talked about.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
He's created a culture. Does the culture create the standard?
That's something we figure out at training camp, throughout the
season and his first year.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
In a conversation will have later on. There's the culture.
But more important than the culture, you gotta figure what's
your climate. It's enough. That's a deeper conversation, deeper level right.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
There, and culture, I mean none without players.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Climate matters.
Speaker 8 (44:48):
Well.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Bellichick won his first Super Bowl with guys that couldn't
have been. On his third Super Bowl winning team, So
you can, you can you have a couple of piece
this thing together a little bit. John Wooden's FIRS team
was a bunch of dudes. It was all six foot
four by the time, you know, he was winning six
and seven. You know them the kind of dudes wouldn't
have been able to play for him. So it all depends.
Nick Hares, thank you, Thank Doc Taylor, Thank you Chris Beam,
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am new He scrugs here, all right, guys. Uh, yesterday
(00:54):
Stephen Jones was asked about Michael Parsons and asked about
Michael Parsons and ask more and more about Michael Parsons
and he goes fred up. Yeah, Nick, your takeaway from
Steven's frustration, This isn't the first time he's got questions.
I mean, lord knows the last two Dak Prescott questions.
I mean, he got hit up all day long.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
But yeah, rarely have.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
We seen Steven get to this type of boiling point
like he did.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, and he has to see it coming that that
he's going to be getting these questions right, and the
frustration that he had was almost as if he was
caught off guard by the question. And that's going to
be the first thing we ask about right now, because
that's the most pressing thing left in the offseason is
when's Michael Parson's gonna get his deal back?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And I'm thinking of it just like you. Okay, this
is all fixable. Yeah, we don't know why it's not fixable,
and he's not going to give us that because the
nature of the negotiations. But well, this was coming. And
when you look at the fact guys that other teams
(01:56):
wanted on these they're done. That's the frustrating part for
Cowboy fans. Clamb last year.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
In Sanity, bab and Tyler Smith's gonna be coming.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
It doesn't stop, It doesn't stop.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
The only question really, though, is how long does it take?
Like it doesn't really matter that it's not done right now,
It really doesn't. It matters to me, not that Steven
cares what I think.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
But it matters.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Is it done on day one of training camp so
that it doesn't drip into the season.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Uh, that's what matters.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You'd like to have it done now.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
But you don't want a.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Situation where what do we have? Well, I think if
he signs now, he'll be ready to play by the
first game. You don't want that because this team is
not good enough to give away some games because their
best player is not available for week one. So as
long as he's good when at first see, we gotta
go old school. When the first training camp practice happens,
(02:55):
you could even show you ain't got to be done
on the day's camp starts. First practice though. You need
number eleven out there.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So when I think about the schedule, yeah, okay, the schedule.
You start off at Philadelphia on a Thursday night and
the home teams a Super Bowl champion traditionally wins that game.
We just kind of look at the numbers here, but
it's a divisional game. Your second game is a divisional game.
It's against the Giants. Here, you're looking at the back
(03:26):
half of the schedules, rough, Okay, you start looking at
November twenty third. You go Philadelphia, Kansas City, Detroit, Minnesota,
LA Chargers, Washington Commanders of New York Giants. The first
part of the schedule is kind of where you in
October September October. You got to try and gain some
ground here, and if your best defensive player is not
here or you sign him late, and then he's like
(03:47):
ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Was well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
No, I am stuff going on. No, No, you know
you're this team isn't good enough having to go up
against the NFC North, the AFC and the two teams
who finished in the NFC Championship game in your division
to not have their best player here ready to go
(04:10):
ramped up.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
And every indication that Mike has given us since this
contract stuff has come about is that he will be
here at training camp until he had this little two
sentence quote and a tweet that he had last night,
and I want to get your guys opinion on this.
This is in reference to mandatory mini camp next week.
He said, I will be there. I haven't missed a
mini camp in four years. That's fact. Even though the
contract is not done. I have teammates in a playbook.
(04:31):
This is the part I'm preparing as if I will
be on the field the first week of camp. But
it's in the owner's hands. Well that that tells me, hey,
I'll be there first week of camp. But it's up, Jerry.
You know I'm planning on it, But it's up Jerry.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Jock, You've been right in a long time. We know what,
we know what. But means, hey, man, everything I just said,
but just take it out, no man, But it's in
the owner's hands. Meaning but if the owner doesn't have
me sign, I'm not doing this.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I'm not doing I'll be there when my dealers done.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And it's the old Ricky Waters line for who for what?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Man, That's just the way it is. And that's why
to me, everybody's who signed and his you know, to
help determine his market's been done. We know what the
numbers are. We probably put him down right now and
be within, you know, real close to it. And so
it's not real complicated to me. It's just, you know,
this the way the Cowboys do business and have done business.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And I you know, I'm not going to sit up
here and act like I talk to anybody. I know
what's going on here. I don't just look from the outside.
The frustrating part for Cowboy fans is the Eagles get jobbed,
they get things done. The Lions are getting things done,
the Rams are getting things.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
We don't know what goes on in their household. True,
and that's what your parents used to say.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
But as Parcels used to say, don't talk to you
about the labor. Show me the baby, show me the baby.
Your baby late ever, what to do date baby baby lay?
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Every year we've got a twelve month baby.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I was probably everybody getting their babies out gestature your
baby all breached and late and the whole thing and
see sectioned out.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Man.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It's just like, at some point in time, man, can
we deliver this baby on time?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Baby talking words coming out right right?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
You know, it's like, let's still hope, man, They still
hope it can get done. There's no good reason for
it not to get done. But we said that before.
So you know, we've all said what the definition of
insanity is? You know, you're doing the same thing hope
for a different results. So cowboys, I like to say
that they are smart people, and so I believe that
(06:43):
they will see what has happened, especially with a guy
like Stone look at me like that, specially with a
guy like Michael and what you need from him for
the season. You just want him there, hey, Cap, you
don't need no strained quads, no strained hamstrings because you
didn't get off.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You just do that. And let's add this in here
as well. Guys probably should have mentioned this earlier. This
is the third defensive coordinator that Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Is going to have in three So what is.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It Matt Eberflus wants to do with Parsons? You kind
of need him out there. We can go back to
the first training camp when Dan Quinn was here and
he figured out, Okay, this is what I like from Parsons,
this is what I want to do, and so he's
out there having those conversations with Mike McCarthy and I
remember the times after practice there, McCarthy and Quinn and
(07:34):
Mike and they're walking up and down the field having
those conversations, and d Q started kind of formulating a
vision of what he wanted to do. If you're going
to be fair to Brian Schottenheim, if you're going to
be fair to Matt Eberflus, to get this team and
this defense running, put the key piece that you want
to go at, your chest piece that you need out there,
(07:56):
Get him there, get him there going, get him there happy.
Let's not drag this thing out. And I say all this.
Something could be done tomorrow, something over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
It's not hard to get it done. It's really not.
I mean, anytime we've had these situations again, we can
come up with what the numbers are because they're just
slotting in the head of the last gay, the latest guy,
the newest It's not that hard to put the numbers together.
They had the cap room to do it. You know,
it's a matter of getting it done.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, it's the most mind numbing topic this entire offseason,
hands down, because you know what's going to get done.
It's a matter of times, a matter of if and win.
It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.
But it's just it's it's my number to talk about
because I feel like we could all predict the number
right now.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
We'd all predicted, just as we did with DAK and CD.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, you're right, you're right, and that this is the
beat to me not being a full time beat guy
like and and for you and you're.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Have to write one more contract story right in your world.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
It's not only do you have to write it, but
it gets traffic. Yeah, So the bosses want it because
they want the numbers and the thing.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Getting you know, that's that's fascinating you bring that up,
because yes, there was a lot of traffic around the
DAK and CD. I think people are numbed to this
topic too, because the traffic around Mica contract stuff is
not as high as it was around DAK and.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
CD and and I'll tell you one reason why this
is just me Dak being the quarterback of the Cowboys,
and also the way ESPN pushes there, and you have
and and and the the the other little Fox show
with the crazy dudes over there. There's so much. There
was so much debate and disdain from certain people about
the quarterback that it was something they drived and pushed.
(09:34):
There's not a level of disdain for Parsons the way
and debate about it the way it was for the quarterback.
Even to this day. Still you have some reality he's
not worth this and I worked at that that everybody's
pretty much in agreement. Michael Parsons is an elite plat
pass rusher and one of the best in the game.
So that's why I think there's not as much because
(09:55):
it's it's not as polarizing.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Maybe that's the better word I should have be should
be polariz Yeah, they that they have used that as
a polar If you're polarized about Michael Parson's I think
you don't know football.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
And if you're like, if you're none to the contract talk,
just get ready for next offseason because it's gonna be
all this time one hundred. Not only do you have
Tyler Smith, you have Deron Bland. That's gonna be a
very fascinating one track. Uh, Trayvon Dicks, what is what
is his contract situation gonna look like next year? Jake Ferguson,
I mean the list goes down, We're gonna have some
fascinating ones.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I don't thank them lest to that fascinating.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah, I'll give you that. Mor So Blade and Smith
and Brandon Aubrey too. He's gonna be due up.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
So Harvey real, assuming you slapped franchise tag on.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, yeah, cheap franchise makes the most sense.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Go ahead and do that on him. But the other two.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
We'll see the problem with de Ryan Blaine is it's
nobody's fults. Just what it is is he somewhere between
that historic year and what he did last year where
he's he's cool, but he's not special, you know, uh,
and so you're not sure.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
What to pay him.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So he needs this year will be a much better
gauge if he can, if he can be healthy on
who he is as a player.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
So let me throw this out here because it brought
me something we've seen them do before as they tried
to send messages. What they go get a Bland deal done?
Can't Okay, hey you're done. We got you. And they
get him at their price, which we've seen. Oh so
they got at their price. They got digs at their price,
they got a tyrs at their price. Bland may be
(11:25):
a guy who's willing to say, hey, man, let me
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
If I was playing, I would go get it at
my price because I had a historic season. I had
a mess season. You know, I didn't get any real
money when I got drafted in the fifth round, right,
so let me go locked down in the future. See
how I did that right now?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
So I would I would be game for that.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Plus, they're trying to play me in the slot where
the money's not as big as it is on the outside.
My attitude about playing the slot, it's a lot better
when I've already got my deal done.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah yeah, if I was blading, I would lock it
down right now if I could too, because then you're
you're not risking injury of course this next season as well.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And you take fear, you take away. That's a that
is a major thing, as you talked about, Jock, when
you're a day two guy and you haven't been able
to cash in yet and you've got an injury here,
you get the right money, take away the fears. Hey,
I've got life I've got life changing money in my
pocket right now, versus trying to go out to the
market and maybe getting it maybe not, you know, the
(12:25):
whole maybe part of it. Plus, you know, any good
agent will start to talk about you're living in a
place with an uns state taxes, so you know a
difference between a contract here in New York or California
or or Michigan where the money could be even a
little bit more but not the same.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
So they're also trying to ban THAC So it battances out.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
It'll be all right, regardless.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
What the league says. Politicians negatable. You know, it doesn't
mess with your money there, But I think that that's
something to think about. And then as you look at
someone like anybody who's who's been under a contract lately
that you know, a digs a steal, you're gonna have
to start to wonder, Okay, where are you fitting in
(13:11):
this this world going forward? As they add new deals
like a lamb uh. You know, Tyler Smith will get
paid here depending on what happens with Pickens. Just Pickens
have the kind of year that they say, you know,
we can't let this guy get out of the building here. So, yeah,
every everybody can't stay. This is what we know.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You know, everybody can't stay now.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
As a great great journalist when told me sports is fluid, Yeah,
contracts are fluid too in the NFL. We know this.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I think the funniest possible scenario is they call David Mulligett,
who's Michael Parson's agent. It's like, hey, how's it going
finally talking to Yeah, we know your name. What about Pickens.
Let's get a deal done with Pickens, And they get
a deal done with Pickens instead setting into a contract year.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
That would be interesting. You don't have a Pickens thought,
have a Pickens though, take a break, Okay, George Pickens
new Cowboy receiver. Let's just dive into his his situations.
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Speaker 3 (16:24):
Jack Taylor, the Carris is here. I am new. He scrugs,
all right, George Pickens change his number this week? Okay,
so number change.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I think I liked him better than thirteen.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I did too. I like Dante Fowler better than three.
But neither here nor there.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, is what it is. Is what it is.
I had a chance to talk to him two weeks
ago in the locker room. Enjoyable conversation, you know. And
this is where I give Dak Prescott a whole lot
of credit. Where he'll just sit in the locker room
and hang out and talk. Pickens is sitting next to him.
(17:00):
The members are there, you know, everybody knows, like it's
not a Dak day to talk. We just you're just
talking to him. We're just talking, yes, humanized something I
wish Tony Romo would have done. He didn't want to
do that. Your choice. But anyway, you could see Pickings
sitting next to Dak, you'd see them perform in a relationship.
But anyway, just having a conversation with him, Okay, Perception
(17:20):
and reality are all these different things. We know this
as guys who go into the room or whatnot. And
I just I left there just saying to myself, you
know what, man, if this kid can make a real
connection with Dak Prescott, he may be able to have
the kind of year where you say, Okay, guess what, hey,
Jerry is a big decision. It has to be made
(17:42):
here about the player. Now it's easy for me to
say right here, we haven't you know, training camp season
tells you a whole different thing. But initially initially like
you know what look out for That's just my thought nick.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
How that has translated onto the field I think has
already been seen too yesterday in OTA's and I try
not to put a whole lot of stock into OTAs
because it's underwear Olympics. It's underwear Olympics. However, when play
in the red zone, they were doing seven on seven
work and Dak's rolling out trying to find an open receiver,
and you can see him communicating with George Pickens offscript
and you see him directing traffic and he throws it
(18:18):
to Pickens along the sideline and Pickens, fully extended tiptoe
in the sideline, hauls it in. Referee on the side
motions that a touchdown, and I'm looking at that and
I'm like, man, you would think that they've had a
couple of years together already. It's only been a couple
of weeks on the field. So you see that, you
see that chemistry, that communication, You see it already forming
on the field. And I thought that was that was
seeing that conversation and seeing how they bonded. Then you
(18:40):
saw how that translated between the lines.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Pickens shows signs to me that he cares, and all
three of us have been around long enough to know
there's some dudes who are here because it's this job.
But everything being in the locker room, sitting next to
(19:04):
the quarterback, as he sees the quarterback working things and
just trying to figure out too, because his dack is
holding court. I'm sure you could tell he's like, who
should I talk to? How do I talk? He's trying
to figure out the lay of the lane from a
guy who's a veteran. So I'm like here saying, like, okay,
he's smart. The first press conference he gave, gave all
(19:26):
the right answers and then to say bad about Pittsburgh. No,
since it dumped on to me, I have a new chapter.
He we got coached properly, and but he took the
coaching all right. I mean, how many times do you
hear people who who who work with the president. And
we told we told him what to do. He went
up there to start shooting, doing his own thing. He
(19:49):
stayed on script, and so far, so good that hey,
here are the perceptions and the things that we've heard of.
Right now we're not seeing it, and no bullet to
have flown yet, But right right now what we're seeing
tells me, okay, even with Brian Scheinheimer, the way he's
gone about his business as a head coach, right now,
(20:11):
for all the question you real like, so hey, man,
you're doing you're doing, You're doing what you need to
be doing.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I think that's good. I think one of the things
I always try to do as a reporter is I
really don't care what anybody else has to say about
another person. You know, all the Pittsburgh not all of them,
a lot of Pittsburgh reporters. After they they they traded him,
they came on local radio, Oh he's this, he's that,
he's this, he's that, And really that's just those dudes.
(20:38):
Individual relationships with him has nothing to do with anybody here.
And so, you know, as a reporter, I always try
to separate myself from from you. From you. I'm not Medya,
I'm just me, and you either get down with me
or you don't. And you try to create your own
individual relationships and give people a chance to show you
who they are in whatever they're newing viment is and
(21:02):
will people will show you whether they cool, whether they're
not cool, whether they selling, letther cuss words. I mean,
they'll show it to you don't have to, you don't
have to wait too long. And so you know, so
I think it's cool that he's come down here taking
advantage of a new start to create new relationships, new environment.
Because the thing about the media is, and I'm just
(21:22):
gonna keep it real with y'all. It's hard for fifty
year old white men to get down with twenty year
old black men and understand them and where they're coming from.
That's just a hard thing for them to do. And
so I don't really take it into account of anything
that that age bracket has to say about a twenty
year old black football player. What about teammates, teammates I
(21:43):
paid more attention to, but again it's the same thing.
Everybody's got their own deal some things. For example, if
you are a Cowboys, not me and new are about
to date ourselves, especially for you. But if you're Cowboys
in the early nineties, in the mid nineties, back when
they were winning Super Bowls and going the championship games
and stuff, if Jimmy Johnson was your coach, your teammates
(22:07):
may say one thing about you, because that's what leadership is.
If Barry Swiss is your coach, they may say another
thing about you because there's a different leaderships. So it's
a different expectation, it's different standards, different everything, And so
you know, you just have to give people room for
maturity and growth. I'm not the saying dude that was
at thirty or at forty or at fifty. I'm not
(22:28):
gonna date your age, but you're not saying, guy, you
were at eighteen or at twenty or twenty one.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Now you mentioned a word there that hits a lot
times too, is maturity and Randy. I tell people all time,
I truly believe Randy Moss succeeded because of where he
went to. Went to Minnesota. Here's Danny Green, there's Jake Reed,
(22:53):
there is Chris Carter, and that where he went to.
And I come back in this watch George Pickens and
just watching body language and trying to do and I
study a lot of just human nature. You going over
to Dak Prescott and sitting here and trying to be
around of it. Then what you've talked about here he is,
here's a dude with respect, Here's a guy that's that's it's,
(23:16):
you know, getting things done the right way. Let me
go over here Pittsburgh. We look at the quarterback situations
a lot. It's kind of messy, and it is still messy. Okay,
it is still messy in Pittsburgh. I at least give
the guy credit. And I go back to this business.
Philosopher's name is Jim Roney says, you know what, the
five people you hang around is going to tell a
whole lot about your life, financially, in educational, like the
(23:40):
five people around as a receiver to say, you know what,
here's Dak Prescott. Let me go hang around this guy.
See what he's doing here. Dak Prescott's had us to
me and I can I debate people this whole time?
Has a hell had a hell of a career. You know,
even Tony Romo with people you go from undrafted, free
age like Tony Romo and do it he and Lee
the way he did. Okay, hey, you know in terms
(24:02):
of that kind of that's a lot that Dak Prescott
wasn't in the fourth round pick. He was the second
fourth round pick.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Okay, he could become the franchises all time leading pastor
this year.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Right, this guy's had a help for career. And so
for a guy like Pickings, you're coming over here for
that situation, a man, let go gravitate toward this guy
that shows him some common sense as opposed to wishing
Mozzie Smith would.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Him gravitated to anyone literally gravitated to anyone.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Hello, Yeah, yeah, So there's a lot more to go,
but I'm just going by it. Here's here's your sample size.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
So the reason I ask about teammate, and I brought
this up on the on the show, I think the
day after the trade is uh, I grew up with
a player that's on the Steelers now, and I called
him the morning after the trade. I said, hey, you
know who is George Pickens? From your perspective. You know,
I'm not gonna report anything. I'm just kind of here
like getting perspective here. And he had mentioned great teammates,
Like everybody in the locker room loves him. He's the
kid in class that all the kids love and all
(24:57):
the teachers hate. And it's it's professionalism. It was showing
up late to meetings, showing up late for await away
game flights, things like that. It's the little things. And
when you have a guy like George Pickens who's so
good on the field, it's kind of like a guy
that makes all the threes, you can trust him off
the bench, but when it comes to just making the
layups and making your free throws, he just can't get
it done. And so Dak great person, to gravitate too.
(25:20):
When you want to make your layups and make your
free throws. That's a guy who's made a lot of
layups and free throws. He needs more of the three pointers.
So if they can work together, he could work out
for him.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So I tell everybody this. When you say that, immediately
in my mind, go back and watch the Last Dance
and how Jordan dealt with Dinnis.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I love all your Last Dance references. How many times
have you seen it through?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
It is, you know, for a for a guy who
grew up in North Carolina, when you're right when he
was playing, when he was playing, my introduction to basketball
was eighty two. I just connected the dots, okay, and
just so you know, for that whole thing, to watch
the whole the whole thing, you know, because Dennis, while
he was with the Pistol into with Chuck Dave Dinnis
(26:01):
was a great citizen. When he went to San Antonio,
he became all that got away from it. And then
when he went to the Bulls, you know, they were
able to you know, bother, but it was it was
a guy like Michael Jordan and the respect he had,
you know, what he did in San Antonio with David Robinson.
He was to be a pull off of Michael Jordan.
And I think for a guy like was, a guy
like Pickens when you see Pete, you know, respect that's
(26:24):
so much. Sometimes it's just you can have all the
coaches you want to, it's dudes in the room to
kind of help get that done. And that's like with
the Randy Moss. You know, it's dudes in the room.
And I think a guy like Pickens, who's a talented guy,
will respect people who are here at that level.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
It's a great point because who is the leader in
that locker room? Naja Harris maybe, and look where he
is now and he's gone. Yeah, you know, yeah, he's gone.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
You have to respect your leadership, man, and it had
You know, every team's got some guys who proclaimed to
be leaders, who've been appointed leaders.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
But if you don't respect them, it doesn't matter. But
let's also just understand this. Everybody wants to get paid. Okay,
you come in this game and you have an opportunity,
you want to get paid. You're playing for the Dallas Cowboys.
All the games they have on national TV in the spotlight,
they have me right out the gate Man, you're on
Thursday night. You know this is the opportunity for George
Pickens to get paid.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
You're gonna have a pregame segment, buddy, They're gonna look
at you with that number three jersey on in pregame
warm ups.
Speaker 9 (27:19):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
So, so, whether whether it's here or somewhere else, if
George Pickens has an outstanding season, he's going to get paid.
And I remember Sparky Anderson who managed the Tigers, who
are World Series of the Cincinnati Reads a big red machine. Say,
you know, give me twenty five guys on a one
year deal win World Series. You know, dudes find a way.
(27:40):
I mean even DeMarco Murray, I mean DeMarco Murray seemed
like he was hurt all the time. He was even
hurting the US a free agent, but dog going to
dog NFL Offensive Player of the Year. I mean, dud dudes.
Dudes smell the bag, man, They smell a bag, and
Pickings shouldn't be any different than anyone else. Man, here's
a bag to be had by an owner who's willing
to give a bag, especially to an offensive player.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
You might just get it the day before the season starts.
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gets the Philadelphia Eagles on NBC. It's a Thursday night game.
The Eagles are world champions, so you get that. You
get that when you o Ohio State, what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Oh well, it wouldn't even buy those, man, but it be.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
What it be. Pay people man, professional people paper, you
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Speaker 1 (31:01):
Man.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Happy. I'm happy for you, Jacques.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Happy.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
We ain't getting the trophy back.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Hey, look, I'm just happy for Ryan day Man. The
way you fans.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Treated him was discussing you fans.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I just tod you.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I don't know what the crad.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I felt bad for that guy. I like Ryan day Man.
He didn't deserve that. He deserves treating that man like that.
But dog on it, they can't say they can't give
the Earl Bruce treatment anymore. Dog on it.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
You better win another one next year, man.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Please, he does. Jeremiah Smith needs to cut off his
salary moving.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
For you what I mean, See, that's the greediness of
a fan base. Like you win another one, you're lucky
if you just win one in your life. Man. One.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Well we're on a pretty good pace. We won one
every decade and I'm cool with that.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
If you win one, man, just that's that's that's to
be happy. It's hard, hey, man, I get that though.
It's hard. Some one of the things that always burns it.
Jane Smith should have won more like these like these
are easy. God, I'll come back here. They looking like
John Wooden. So I was lucky enough to work in
Los Angeles being around John Wooden and people forget me,
sixteen years win what the first one? These are hard.
(32:11):
It's as hard it's not.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
It's been thirty years here. These things are hard to do.
It's hard to win, man. I mean, they should have
won in No. Seven fourteen sixteen. They had opportunities. It
was all there in front of them. I'll get it done.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I'll disagree with you on those seven. Yeah, should have
been there, But I don't think they win the game.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
If they go it don't matter. Just get there.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I mean, they played, they played the Patriots earlier in
the year, and it was it was no contact in
Texas Stadium.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
That's what you know.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
It's like a Mary Barber run though, the two yard run, the.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
One hundred yard run, the game two yards times. But yes,
they should have been there. That's all I'm saying. They
had chances to get to the super Bowl. They just
haven't done it. And that's why there's so much disdaining
about quarter bait.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That And it's also I just man, there's there's kind
of a culture thing about this town. What do you
mean in the sports. I mean, there's been so much
in twenty five years that I've been here, and there's
been a lot more sports disappointment than the victory.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Like the Devi Stars.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, three straight, three straight and you can't even get
there to the final.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
They got one and they got spanked in that one,
but they got to you know, so it's just just there.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I mean, yeah, when Tampa Bay and the and the
and the bubble and now look, Tampa Bay was you know,
that was a little dynasty they had, right, Tay was
a better team, you know, better team, But just you know,
it's we've seen it, man. FC Dallas, they finally get
to the front, they lose. I mean the MAVs the
first time O six, you go up to oh On Miami,
it's game three. I'm sitting here at the arena. They're up,
(33:48):
They're up thirteen with six to go, and I'm like, man,
I really don't want to sweep because I want to
stay in Southeast five days. I'm not trying to go back.
And then they lost the game and didn't win another one.
You say, to South Beach five days A Yeah, that
was you know that that that part was not bad
the hotel, right, yeah, you know, no, that was the
(34:12):
second time, Nick, that was the second time. That was
the second time. That was the second time. Yeah, the
first time we were fine. Second time was when we
got got we didn't know about that Memorial Day activity.
But yeah, man, there's just been a lot of it,
a lot of disappointment. You know. I was reading the
other day about going back to the twenty eleven World
Series in Game six and you know, one strike away twice.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah, that was that was there for that.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, that's the Mona Lisa of Dallas Sports disappointment.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I mean, that was that was brutal.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, And I having been at these games too. That
was I remembered going to Bush Stadium and because then
the guy ran the clubhouse, Hoggy Price, He's like, yeah,
he said, man, Nooster, we had to take the champagne
now because we had put the.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Plastic they you know, interviews with plastic in the background,
the T shirts.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I mean, it's all there. And then so when you're
walking down there, you're passing all the families because that family,
the families are right there because they're you know, they're
ready there for the celebration too. And it's like, ooh, yeah,
I said, So when you say on Cowboys, it's it's
it's we've seen what two parades. I've seen two parades
(35:23):
in twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Man, it's a fascinating point JJT. Because when they did
get it a couple of years ago, the Rangers, there
was still I don't know how y'all felt still in
the back of my mind that disappointment and hurt from
twenty eleven. It's like, yeah, it feels great, but now
I wish that twenty eleven team had it. Do you
think the Cowboys franchise will kind of have the same feeling.
It's like, when that time comes around, it's like, oh,
they should have had in sixteen. Though there's still disappointment there,
(35:45):
like a ring's a ring. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Oh those people are gonna be dead.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I think there's so much distance, no matter. So what
was interesting on the field in Arizona. There's Michael Young,
there's Ian cam And and there's Agent Beltrain. They were
all there and you know they're still young guys, and
you start thinking about the guys who played here to
the last one. I mean, you know, Troy A mean
(36:11):
is what fifty five?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
No, we are saying nine, okay, So.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I mean these guys are you know versus you know,
these other dudes in Beltra. These guys worked to you know, decade,
you know, plus from from playing in that in that series.
That's how Josh Hamilton about a month and a half ago,
you know, so you know it's still fresh to those guys.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Josh Hamilton would have he'd have a statue out there.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah. Well, I've always said it had. The twenty eleven
Rangers is like the Cowboys Super Bowl thirteen team, that
Cowboy team. There's a lot of gold Jackets lost that day.
And when the Rangers didn't win, it twenty eleven. There's
a lot of people's careers in textas that are changed.
Josh Hamilton's contract is done, he never leaves.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
They can get home nine of the tenth.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
To tenth hit the two run home at ten, so
doesn't get traded, none of it. Ron Washington is still
the manager. I mean, there's a lot of these things
are still here because there's now there's grace, and there's
a championship and you you forgive a whole lot when
you win and bring you know, he's our champion. Lives
are yeah, life. John Daniels has thought up differently. You know.
(37:27):
By the time when John, when John left here, man,
people were frustrated and they were mad. You put a
championship on it. You know, there's you get. You know,
there's a lot of gifting that you get. And you're
able to to to breathe a little bit, which your
guy Ryan Dad Ohio State, he's able to breathe. Mac
Brown went through it down in Texas and when he
finally won it, man, hey, brother, that can breathe. Now
they're off me and it would have been the first
(37:50):
for the Ranger. So that's the other thing to win.
It's that first one. It's like, but Madonno and Hitchcock
and and Darien Hatchard, all those guys with the stars
have man, I mean those guys are still heroes to
this day. Yeah, those guys feel. I took my kid
to the game Sunday of the Range and there's a big, old,
beautiful mural of Michael Leng and I'm just like, I
(38:11):
hated that guy. He didn't get to have that. And
then I think about d Ware and being on the
field in San Francisco when he won the Super Bowl
with the Broncos and talking to Uncle Wag you away
he was down there too. It's like, man, you know,
you guys weren't able to get that feeling with the Cowboys,
and just how different your life is if you're able
to have that moment in a Cowboy uniform.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
You do that in the Cowboys uniform, it's immortality.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Immortality, it's and I would tell people all the time,
and Drew Pearson hadn't played and caught a past his
eighty three and looked at how he's revered and thought
of in this town, Like that's that's what winning. Winning
in the town. It's like, you know, Albert Pool Holds
in Saint Louis. He left ten year deal, but he's
still that guy in Saint Louis because it's the Cardinals.
(39:00):
It's winning a championship in LA. If you're a Laker,
I mean, it just means more in a certain place,
being a champion with the New York Yankees. And yeah,
if you're a cowboy player and you're able to win
a championships, a whole different deal.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
I mean, Charles Haley, he was barely here when you
factor in everybody else that was on those teams and
how long that they stayed on this team Charles Haley was.
He was here for a blink, but he won championships.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
But the thing about Charles is he was that final
like he was he was like boom, that guy they
needed him. And and so while he wasn't here quote
unquote that long, everybody knew the importance of what he
brought to that defense. And especially in Super Bowl twenty
seven when they get the punt blocked and they're down
(39:43):
in the game and they helped turn things around. It's
a great NFL Films clip where he says, hey, guys,
let's not get excited, Butcher's over here. Trying to help
us out to the line coach Butch Davis at the time,
and the Cowboys steadied themselves and then went on a
second quarter incredible run and win that game against the
Bills fifty two a deem the youngest team in the league,
but they had the number one defense they have, But
(40:03):
Charles was such a huge part of that. They needed
that guy to get it done. And sometimes you're able
to make the proper trade for a veteran to get
it done. He comes from San Francisco with two Super
Bowl rings, like when San Francisco originally brought in Fred
Dean from the Chargers and he helped them win there
for a Super Bowl. Sometimes you get guys that but
we need you to help us get here and it
(40:24):
works out great, and and you're a legend for him
Dion going to San Francisco. They needed Dean to finally
help them get through and come with a swagger and
do these things like that. So yeah, holding the stats.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
So Jack Sanborne will be that be that guy. George Pickens. Honestly,
I can see Pickens being that final piece of the offense.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
But that defense needs help. Okay, what's the uh? I
was talking about this, What's what's the what's the bigger
issue on defense? And stop the run? Who's going to
play corner?
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Stop the run?
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Stop the run is the biggest thing. I mean, the
spine of that defense is so unreliable, and it's been
that way for five years.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I always go back to what Hall of Famer Warren
Sap said, back don't work without the front. And you know,
you just think about all your your great defenses, you know,
the the Steel Curtain, Doomsday, Purple people leaders. It was
about what was up front. And you can mask some
things of people in the back, but you know, I
don't I don't care how good you. I mean, you know,
(41:19):
if you're Deon Sanders, if nobody's getting at the quarterback,
you know it's gonna be hard. It'd be hard to
cover somebody for so long. I mean, you know they're
gonna get loose. So it's up front. And I think
about the five Super Bowl championship teams that the Cowboys
have had here. All of those teams had fantastic D
linemen and had Hall of famers on the D line,
you know, from Bob Lily to Randy White toward Charles Hey.
(41:39):
They had guys up front and right now, it's a problem.
And when you're counting on Massie Smith right now, I
would not have a lot of confidence there because, as
Bill Parcels you say, all I go by is what
I see right now. I'm not seeing a run stopper there.
Maybe you're a guy from UCLA J T. Can can
(42:01):
can get it done. But I'm concerned. And right out
of the gate, here's Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
If you could pick one player on this team to
have a Pro Bowl season, like okay, that that's gonna
be the guy, it's Mozzie Smith. I can hear an
argument for somebody else, but I really don't think there's
a strong one.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
One text make Pro Bowls these days?
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Yeah, but if you do make a Pro Bowl as
a one sec it means you were a game wrecker.
It means it means you really didn't make some say
what yeah is like my, my, I guess the gauge
of good because there's like six of them that make
it these days.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
How much you just become dependable, you know.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Give me a dependable Mazie Smith.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
That's that's that's really the that's the bar at this point,
Hey make you just be dependable and a guy they
can count on here and you know, and and and
even go back to do you care? That's that's that's
a question right now. Sometimes you wonder about how much
do you care?
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Man?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
How much does this mean to you? You know? Once again,
Jack and I were around for the old days, man,
And I know it was saying to wide and think
about the old days and the old days, but you
knew dudes who cared, they had got that was that
was a prerequisite around. You had to care, and if
you didn't, you won't gonna be around.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Your teammates would hold you accountable for care.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Not the last dance reference with bj Armstrong said Michael
was hard to be around if you didn't care about basketing. Basically,
he was gonna run you off.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I mean, it's like Mike, and that's like Troy if
DJ Mike for sure. Yeah, you don't tell me.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Uh, you know, it had to mean something to you,
because it meant something to them. They had what was it?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Somebody was telling me a story a few weeks ago. Uh,
he was a rookie and he was walking. Uh it
was ninety four rookie class and a couple of them
walked in the locker room for the first time. Mike's
in there half naked as usual. Guy said, just some
tights and some shoes. And somebody said they Mike, those
those those guys are part of the rookie class. And
(44:05):
they walked over there and stuck their hand out to
shake it. It might say, I don't give a bliep
about your handshake. How you're gonna help us win? And
this is coming off of back back Super Bowls. M
That's what it was about, how you're gonna help us win.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
It was a stand out of here there was a standard,
was a standard.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Trying to get it back.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Shot. He's gonna try and get it back. He's talked about.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
He's created a culture. Does the culture create the standard?
That's something we figure out at training camp, throughout the
season and his first year.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
In a conversation will have later on. There's the culture.
But more important than the culture, you gotta figure what's
your climate. It's enough. That's a deeper conversation, deeper level right.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
There, and culture, I mean none without players.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Climate matters.
Speaker 8 (44:48):
Well.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Bellichick won his first Super Bowl with guys that couldn't
have been. On his third Super Bowl winning team, So
you can, you can you have a couple of piece
this thing together a little bit. John Wooden's FIRS team
was a bunch of dudes. It was all six foot
four by the time, you know, he was winning six
and seven. You know them the kind of dudes wouldn't
have been able to play for him. So it all depends.
Nick Hares, thank you, Thank Doc Taylor, Thank you Chris Beam,
(45:13):
our producer, and Joshi back there. We appreciate. This has
been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
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