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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Bobby belt one O five three fan gotten the cares
for or Star Telegram, Big Q in the house today.
Quinn Williams traded from the New York Jets coming over
here to the Dallas Cowboys. Knows nothing but losing since
he's been with the Jets. He was winner in college,
played Alabama in the National Championship. Nick, your your thoughts
now that we've had a little moment to digest the

(00:54):
trade and Quinn Williams talking today.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yeah, people were talking about, you know, some people that
aren't really familiar with Quinn Williams game asking me, you
know what exactly the Cowboys getting. Is this just another
you know, splash to just to do it. It's like,
I think whenever the team was trying to communicate what
they were trying to communicate that Kenney Clark was is
what Kenny is, what Quinn Williams is.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (01:16):
And whatever they were trying to sell for Kenny Clark,
that is what Quinn Williams is. He's a dominant run defender,
He's a dominant pass rusher. He beats double teams more
than any interior defensive lineman in the NFL since twenty
twenty two. And he's rejoining with Cowboys defensive line coach
Aaron Whitecotton, who he talked today. Both of them did,
and Quinn Williams credited his ascension in his career and

(01:36):
rattling off three straight Pro Bowls to what White Cotton
was able to teach him. So, I think it's a
big ad for this defensive line overall, and it's going
to help that entire unit on defense, not only upfront,
but that entire defense. When you have more one on
one opportunities for guys like Dante Fowl or Donovan Azaraku,
even in interior Kenney Clark and Osa Digizua, it's only
going to help those guys get home to the quarterback.

(01:58):
It's going to help that defense overall. This is a
big win in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
All Right, stay right there for a second on what
you just said.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
They allegedly talked to the Jets before they made the
Michael Parks's trade to Green Bank. Correct, Yeah, so Quinn
Williams had been on their radar. So how do we
look at it now, Bobby Belt, that you have guy
you wanted and Kenny Clark, a defensive.

Speaker 6 (02:23):
Tackle guy you wanted. Kenny Clark first round pick or
essentially swapping spots in the second for first, which obviously
gives you next year team control, and obviously the money
the money is very, very different. And so I think
all those things together that's when you start looking at
it and saying, all right, this is this is probably

(02:44):
closer to a return that that fans would have wanted. Now,
it's a lot of fans who were unhappy with it.
They're not gonna enjoy the the well, no, you can't
make this leap and this leap and this leek. They're
just not gonna go for for any sort.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Of what you're getting on won to fight through the fans.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
You get some of that, but I mean still, in general,
I think most people are universally everyone is excited Quentinn
Williams is here. I haven't heard of fans say they're
not happy he's here. Everybody's excited he's here. The question
is just they're like, did I want to give up
a first round pick? Did I want to you know,
sacrifice capital when we're trying to do these sort of things.
But even still, mostly I'd say it's probably seventy thirty ish.

(03:18):
Is just they're happy with the deal no matter what
it was. They wanted Quentin Williams here. This is the
best defensive tackle you've had here in twenty years. Fans
weren't upset about Mazi. Uh No, no, they were. They
were pretty pretty happy.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
Were Yeah. Look, I mean.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
Yeah, you just watch the games. I think that it's
it's something that people are generally excited about. And again,
it's somebody who is the best defensive tackle you've had since.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
Leroy Glover maybe Leon Lett.

Speaker 6 (03:45):
It's been a long time since you've had somebody who
is as disruptive as he is. The Logan Wilson trade
was already a good one, I thought. I think it's
been way overblown by some of the analysts about what
his level of playing Cincinnati was by the time he
got benched. Don't think he's to the level he was
a couple of years ago. But I think there's also
politics involved in Cincinnati, and he wanted out because I

(04:07):
think it's clear when you watched the tape in Cincinnati,
those linebackers that he was playing with were nowhere clear
nowhere near the level he was playing at.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
He was playing better.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
He's acquired for nothing, Yeah, and so I think that trade,
which was already good, was made even better by Quinn Williams.
Who's going to keep him clean and it's going to
be able to disrupt things in the pass rush, and
he's going to be asked to do different things with
the Cowboys than he was asked to do with the Jets.
This year, he's going to do be asked to do
some of the things that Aaron Whitecotton had him do
and that led to him being such a disruptive pass rusher.

(04:35):
So to me, I think that this is a legitimate
game changer for their defense.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
I didn't have any concerns about the first round pick.
It was more with the second round pick. You knew
it was going to cost a first for Quinn. So
if he were going to get involved there, I think
somebody on one O five through the fan asked me
yesterday what would be the compensation for Quinn Williams. I
was like, probably a first in early day three, see
a first in a second come across the board, and
not only a first, but the higher of the two
and twenty seven. You hope it out. You better hope

(05:01):
it pans out. Not only that, but you have to
hit on these twenty twenty six draft picks. Now you
have to hit on those because you don't have a two,
you don't have a three. You only have five picks
next year. You have to hit on those two.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
First round.

Speaker 6 (05:11):
You did trade a first round pick, though, two years away,
which is generally viewed as a round later. So in theory,
the cowboys across the league the thought maybe more, you
gave up two seconds for Quentin Williams.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Okay, So this is how I think of it, and
I heard another show talk about it. So twenty twenty six,
your draft, your first round pick Green Bays first round pick.
Your second pick is Quinn Williams. Your third round pick
is George.

Speaker 6 (05:39):
Pickens, assuming he is resigned. Yes, then I can live
with that.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
And then so is your and then so is your
first round pick. The next year is also Quinn Williams,
and your fifth round pick the next year is also
George Pickens. Yeah, I can live with that. I'm just
saying they have invested so much draft capital into some
of these guys over the course of the last seven
months that it has made it even more imperative to
on these draft picks that they do as right, you.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Got no choices, an old business philosopher, we should say,
if you don't plant in the spring, you will beg
in the fall. Jerry sitting there begging at the trade deadline,
and so yes, you're paying higher prices and some of
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
You know, had you done.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Moved parsons in the spring and done some of these
things you need, you've been better than free agency.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
You wouldn't be here where you are now.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
But this is what happens when you wait this late
and you're you're you're you're hard up, you're begging, and
the Jets were able to raise the price. Well, you
wanted them before. How bad do you want it? They
all knew what Mingo got.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
It's got.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
I mean, let's be honest. If you're dealing, Hey, what else, Jared,
you're eighty two years old? How bad do you want.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Do you think it was the Cowboys or the Jets
that put Moncie Smith on the table.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
I would hope the cow Cowboys. I would hope the Cowboys.
Different from the standpoint, hey.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Man, like the deal is done, is you're like, hey,
we got this guy.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
You know, since you since you who's in Quinnin, go ahead,
here's the guy.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
He probably fits.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
What you can do could have been two First, man.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
We've done it.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
We've done a disservice to this guy. But you you can.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
We asked Jerry on Tuesday before the trade deadline. The
one question asked that was not trade deadline related or
not game related, was do you think Mozzie Smith can
still become the guy that you drafted him to be?
And Jer's like, oh yeah, yeah, you're you're trying to
get rid of that used car.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
You're not talking to the rattling muffler. I respect.

Speaker 6 (07:36):
I chuckled and I was like, ah, I see, there's
the play that was good.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
It is the Stephen you takee the buffer back on
right with the Gray Dug tapes so they can't see it.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
It's aftermarket, but it's fine.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
I think that it's it's really good though that they
did make the move for Pickens, they did make the
move for Quinn Williams, they did make through move for
Logan Wilson. Because as good as this scouting department has been,
and as good as Will mclay's staff has been, it
is an inevita inevitability that you will have a class
or two that eventually will just bust.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
It happens. It's the numbers.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
And there's been so much pressure on will mcclay's department
to supply, supply, supply with nothing coming from the outside
that I think it's good that now there is a
little bit of like, all right, here's some pressure off this.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, we got this, this is address.

Speaker 6 (08:22):
Yeah, that's I think that that's good because there was
I think last offseason there was a lot of pressure
to restock. It's like, I don't know if we have
enough picks, and we when you miss, when you have
that inevitable miss class, then what happens is you really
set yourself back when you're not willing to add through
free agency or trade. So I think it's good that
the Cowboys are saying, let's play in these waters a
little bit and supplement here.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
It's been done in by these second round defensive ends
that haven't lived up to them a Lottimore Williams. These
guys have not been what you thought they were going
to be when you use second round picks on them.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
So, considering how bad that this team needed a defensive
tackle in twenty twenty three, and then now considering all
of the investments that they've made toward re hauling that
position group, is Mazzie Smith one of the worst draft
picks in team history.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
He's going to He's going to be up there.

Speaker 6 (09:07):
He finished his career here with the same amount of
defensive holding calls that.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
He had sacks.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, that's bad. And he has a second least amount
of games played of any first round pick by this
franchise since nineteen eighty six, and Taco Charlton was the
other one. I think you know, if you had drafted
a competent defensive tackle in twenty twenty three in that
first round, not only are you able to stop the
run better in twenty three, where it was the crux
of that team and arguably the crux of what ended
up losing them that game against the Packers, but you

(09:33):
have consistency throughout these last couple of years. Let's say
they still wanted to trade Michael Parsons before the year,
you could have traded it for anything else, anything else,
instead of having to be so married to finding defensive
tackle and so that.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
To me, Nick was one of my frustrations of watching
this team draft the last few years. You didn't and
even free agents, you knew you got a problem up front.
Everybody knew if you want to beat the Cowboys run on,
they can't stop the run. Vic Fangio when he was
coaching the Broncos came in here and said, hey, here's
the blue print. And you know what, those who used it,
even when they were making the playoffs, those were the

(10:04):
issues where you saw how you could beat the Cowboys
run on and they never fixed it. And then for
them to come up here just say, well, you know,
we got Mazie and ohso Diggi Zua is a good
football player. I think he's going to be a better
football player playing with a Quinn Williams and playing with
a Kenny Clark. I think about young Tony Casiis. Yeah,

(10:28):
Tony Casillas was taking second overall out of Oklahoma by
the Atlanta fac because it didn't work out for him
in Atlanta. He came down here with the rotation the
guys he had, and Tony had a heck of a
good football career. And sometimes some guys they're good, but boy,
you put him in a rotation of other really good guys,
they can be a great unit.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
And obviously Tony's got a bunch of Super Bowl rings.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
And I think, oh so DIGGI Zoo kind of fits
in there by himself, just that guy. Nah, but you
put him in here with the Quinn Williams and the
Kenny Clark, then maybe with some one on one cover
and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
He get loose out here and help you out.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
He needs to be a robin and we saw that
over the course of the league. There's nothing wrong with
that at all. There's a reason he's in the title
twenty two, twenty three, twenty four what he was able
to do as far as beating double teams and helping
open things up for Michael Parsons, who in that case
was the batman. You know, I think there's a similar trajectory.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
I like that you have the two players. Now it's
Osa and it's Quinn Williams. You have the two players
who've generated the most pressures against double teams in the
NFL over the last three years, and so, I mean
even OS has had some success there, this year has
not been up to Osa's standard. I think he would
tell you that it's it's not been what they wanted
to be. I think that though this is this is
a big enough game changer. And like, I'll be honest,

(11:37):
last year picked the Cowboys to go seven and ten.
This year, before the season, I picked him and go
seven and ten. I don't I think this is a
big enough move. These two are that I don't know
that they lose more than two games the rest of
the way.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Really, Okay, so you're you're talking about knocking on the
door of the playoff.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
I think I think if Quentinn Williams and Logan Wilson
are here from the start of the season, this team's
six and three right now. I don't think they lose
to Caroline. I don't think they lose I don't think
they tie with Green Bay. I don't think they lose
that game to Philly. I don't think the Jalen Hurts
is able to just run all over them.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
You know, if I stop eating, I'd look like Broondie Coleman.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
Go for it, Let's go for it, let's get into it.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
You look at this schedule of the West Rest Raiders.
Raiders win U okay, and.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
We're speaking from an optimist view here.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
I think Eagles four days later, Kansas City.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
You would hope to split the next two because that's
going to be the tough you need.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
You need to go too, and one in the next
three after it.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Yeah, us, you have.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
To after the Chiefs. You don't even get the full
ten days. A week later at Detroit yep. Ten days off,
you get Minnesota on NBC Saturday Football.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Then you get the Chargers at home yep.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Christ turn around four days later, go to Washington Christmas Day,
and then the final game is at the Meatal Lands.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
It's doable.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
I see your I don't think sex and two is impossible.
And here's the thing is that you you've been able
to pick your poison. Let's run on them, Let's throw
on them. What you've done now they've needed one stop
so many times. What you've done now is you've taken
away the run game as a just obvious effective tool.
You are going to put teams in a more predictable
passing situations. It's going to allow the cowvis to kind

(13:16):
of pin their ears back rush a little bit, earn
that opportunity to rush. Like the guys always talk about,
you're going to naturally force some third and lungs. You're
naturally going to force some additional turnovers now that aren't.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Going to be there.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
I'm not even saying that the this secondary will be
as any better. There's no telling if they will be.
But you're going to force more mistakes naturally, and you're
not gonna allow teams like they are this year so
far to be eighteen for eighteen on third and one situations.
You're gonna get stops on third and one you didn't
have already, and that's gonna flip.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Games to Marvin overshone's coming back to and to.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
Marvin Overshown, whether his knee is ready to play or not.
The thing I keep saying is that he is going
to help this team naturally by being out there and
saying you need to be here. You need him directing
traffic and some of his pre snap identification is going
to be a big part of him. Even being back
on the field will be his brain ne or not.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
I think he's the second best linebacker on this one
percent if he's playing at his worst.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
Yeah, second best linebacker the team. I think he is
the number one on that defense in terms of pre
snap diagnosis, and that's going to help them just in
communication right there.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
So if Kenneth Murray loses his mic responsibilities, would you
put green down on Logan Wilson er to Marvin Overshon Then.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
If I would put it on.

Speaker 6 (14:25):
Probably Overshown because Overshown's just been here for the entirety
the offseason and has sat in meetings and has a
better understanding.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Now, I guess, well they made they made a move
the trade deadline.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Two players are coming in here.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
The schedule is already the hardest in the NFL, and
right now it's a challenge. It's a challenge, but they
got a bye week. They gotta buye week. Quentin Williams
is going to go twenty two days without playing.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
The double by the Amari Cooper double bye.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
So in some ways, as a defensive lineman, maybe that's
good for your body, get healed up a little bit
and have this kind of rest.

Speaker 7 (15:01):
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Speaker 2 (15:04):
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getting the Hall of Fame. I do I think what
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Woody Woody and what he did is uh, the heck
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Speaker 3 (20:13):
All Right, So Draymond Green decides to go on Jordan
Schultz's podcast, his his his platform and called Dak Prescott
a bumps. They wasn't gonna win with him, and yeah, look,
and I talked about this on the Players. Man, when
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(20:37):
other athletes, former athletes current? I mean, it's just it's
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are just throwing out there, a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
And hear from Draymond Green, you know, I'm like wow.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
So unlike Boom, he knows better than that.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
We've seen bump quarterbacks. He may not like his winning
and whatnot. But Dak President's not a bum guy finished
second in the league two years ago.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
MVP.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
Yeah, Draymond has ever done that on a top five
candidate this year, you know, I mean.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Draymond has never done that.

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I mean, bom, Come on, come on, you can say
all day like he's not gonna win whatnot, but bomb, wow.

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No, Draymond has been closer to being a bomb the
last two years. What's the nipple the nickname Charles Ausworm
triple single.

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Yeah, Draymond has been blessed by playing with Splash Brothers,
playing for Steve Kerr, playing for one of the great
organizations we've seen in the last twenty years.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
And they and they to be clear, they were blessed
to have him. He was.

Speaker 6 (21:39):
He was a legitimately ridiculous defensive superstar for a number
of years.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
But I don't I don't understand just the blatant disrespect
that so many guys who want to jump in front
of these microphones have when they played at the highest level.
I mean, it's James Jones last year claiming Dak Prescott wasn't.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Hurt I've had a hamstring injury.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
That guy would you wanted to play let this team down,
and you know then it's it's ripped off the bone.
And then the next day Acho, I mean Ocho sets
him up to try you know what we if we
said it, we're gonna go ahead and apologize for it.
And James Jones tries to jump on there like, nah, dude,
give it that same intensity.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
But I'm just thinking to myself.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
As you're football players, so you automatically know every injury
is different, every injury is different. And I've gotten to
the point now where I'm almost what about you guys.
I almost hate some of these pregame shows that have
nothing but a bunch of players on there, because it
seems as though trying to run other people down is

(22:49):
the motors.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
OPERENDI, yeah, there's I'm trying. I think it was George
German recently who had gotten asked about something about Lebron
or something. He was like, oh no, I couldn't hang
Like really He's like no, He's like, look I had
my day. He's like our guys at our day, Like

(23:10):
you don't have to just tear down the current generation
to lift your own up, Like it can all just
exist where it does and in this particular instance, Draymond
is a provocateur and he likes to push buttons, and
that has been his career, that has been his media personality.

(23:30):
I'm glad he's using his words now and not his fists.
That's a positive right there. But I think that if
you Dak in a general, forget just with Draymond, Dak
in general is the most polarizing of athletes that get
discussed a lot of times. Just in general, the Cowboys
quarterback is and will naturally engender the most intense, aggressive

(23:57):
reactions and opinions that exist. Whether you know, if he
plays good, it's usually he played great, If he plays subpart,
it's he played awful, it's there's really no in between
in terms of the rhetoric, of course.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
And so I think about, you know, another quarterback out
there who who ended up passing Dak Prescott in terms
of you know, when when Dak got the forty million,
was the highest paid guy in the league, and this
guy surpassed it. You know, it's making significantly more money.
And you know, they gave ed the contract and they said,
you know, we got to put a study claus in
here because we kind of trust you. And you know,
some people say he got one particular coach fired, and

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you know, I look, I look at other guys and
they say.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Look around this league as some of they do signing deals.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Carson Wentz can We just saw Carson Wentz a couple
of years ago with Minnesota. I remember when Philadelphia would
play Dallas and the NBC Philadelphia would call me concact.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
They'd always called.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Dak versus Carson Wentz, and man, they were all in
on Carton.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
They random man out of town.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
He is Dak Prescott, still here, still playing and still
being productive. So I just I do shake my head
when I hear something from Draymond Green like that.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
It was the.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Equivalent of shady shady McCoy calling Dak ass and it's like,
what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yah? Yeah, what are we doing?

Speaker 7 (25:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Look, I mean I think the it's not just even
if Dak wouldn't have finished second in MVP in twenty
twenty three. And this is honestly something that this very
fan base has struggled with at times. The the standard
has been so high here for what a Cowboys quarterback
is supposed to accomplish rightfully, So there have been a
lot of people who laid foundation for what this is

(25:39):
supposed to mean and what it's supposed to do.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
That I think it has. It has caused a.

Speaker 6 (25:48):
Just an insanity almost of just how to critique individual
play in a moment, like we're not talking about their
successes or their legacy or anything else. Like the discussion
of like he's been anything other than I don't care.
You can look at any metric you want and they'll
be out there that he's been anything really other than
basically a top ten quarterback from twenty sixteen to now,
other than a year or two where injuries or something

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else happened.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
I think that's impossible.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
So then why doesn't Jordan Love get that same type of.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Criticism because he's in Green Bay. Yeah, that's the doubts.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
It's part of it.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
That's a big part of it. And they've had I
guess when you take in the pound for pound winning
that they've had since he started in his career, it's
a little bit higher than winning percentage.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Because you know the ball, you're the last two quarterbacks
that franchise history. You know, Brett's already in the Hall
of Fame. Brett far from Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers
is going there with the multiple MVPs. If both of
those guys won, each of them got a ring. And
I just I asked that question because you don't hear
the criticism from George about George from fans even the

(26:47):
media like that. You can say it's Green Bay, but
Green Bays and this is this is a popular franchise.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, we see they got fans everywhere. This isn't Cincinnati, Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
I think it's also easy to say that those two
quarterbacks that came before Georgie Love didn't fulfill expectations. One
ring for those two guys is I feel like coming
below expectation.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I'll disagree.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
I mean, you don't those teams with those quarterbacks many years,
if they had it to only get two total rings
out of that, I.

Speaker 6 (27:14):
Think Brett should maybe get more of a pass than Aaron. Aaron,
like not just one ring one appearance. Yeah, like one
appearance that that's that's tough for how the high level
that he had played at. Now you got to remember
coaching goes into that too, and so you just I mean,
just in general, and that's a discussion, all right.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
So so here I come back to this who's the
first pick in that draft? It was picked that that
coach picked over Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Uh, that would be Alex Smith.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Tell me what he did in his career?

Speaker 5 (27:49):
Which coach picked that?

Speaker 6 (27:51):
Mike Nolan, no McCarthy, Oh, yeah, because he was the
offensive corner in San Francisco, That's right.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
So what was the question?

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Okay, we look at Alex's career, Yeah, and you look
at Aaron Rodgers who fell with all the way out
twenty four yep.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I mean, so where Aaron.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
Was picked but didn't I mean, you remember, I remember
listening to k E. Sn and hearing the discussions about
what could happen in the draft and things like that,
and I remember listening to Goodfellas with Newly Scruggs, and
I remember the discussion was whoever didn't go one. If
Aaron Rodgers went one, Alex Smith was probably gonna fall.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
And so that was also just a state.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
Of where kind of I think teams were in terms
of how they viewed the quarterback and who needed one
at that time.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
But at the time, you know, Aaron Rodgers is the
guy that fell and Jerry passed on him, and I
can't remember who passed on him twice, but he was
out there, so you take over for Brett Farr. His
first definitely the first year, if not the first two
years was a struggle, and.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
It's a tremendous story from draft to completion, from when
it was established who he was. Though it was a
disappointment in terms of success.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
I just think about it is how hard it is, man,
And I think about guys I've been around who were
number one picks that Benny Testaverdi and then he played
a long time. But you know, it's hard, man, It's
it's hard. It's just really really hard.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
Look.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
I mean if Dak never wins a Super Bowl or
you know Romo who didn't win a Super Bowl, they
were successes for where they were picked, there's no doubt
about it. But when you're at the top, the expectation
standard is you need to do this. It wasn't at
the time, right right, No, But I'm saying if you're
if you're at the top, like you like, for instance,
I think the expectation for somebody like Romo would have
been different where they say Romo should have made an

(29:34):
NFC title game, or Romo should have made a Super
Bowl before we'd be willing to give them this Aaron.
You gotta remember Aeron is being talked about in the
discussion of Manning Brady, That's where he's being talked about it.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
And so for him to.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
Be the outlier that didn't have multiple appearances, that's that's
a little interesting.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
But again, coaching matters in this league too.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
I I you know Drew brees m and everybody loves
his head coach, Dude.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Do they Is that a ring of honor?

Speaker 7 (30:08):
Guy?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
No?

Speaker 4 (30:09):
So Romo's not.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
No, Yeah, that's serious.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I'm stone No, no ring jacket?

Speaker 5 (30:18):
Where where's a ring?

Speaker 9 (30:20):
No?

Speaker 4 (30:20):
I mean I mean, I'm like, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
Where Yeah, where deserves one? I mean, honestly, this is
but de Marcus, where he is it? The Cowboys have done?

Speaker 4 (30:28):
I'm saying, just does he deserve He didn't have the ring?
I mean he had the Ring of Denver.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
There was but but he's in the Hall of Fame.
There was a thought jacket ring, one of the two
jacket ring.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
There was.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
There's a thought from a lot of people that when
Jerry's guys came up from the nineties, he was just
gonna walk the whole team in basically this has still
been kept pretty exclusive compared to other teams on the league.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
Absolutely, the only guy up.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
There in your Ring of Honor from the offensive line
unit is Larry Allen. Nate Newton's not up there. Eric
Williams isn't up there, Mark two and is not up there.
So I mean they've they have been since just so
I think, yeah, as of right now, I don't. I
don't think Jerry or the Jones family is going to
put a quarterback up there who doesn't win them a
Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Harvey Martin is not there, Super Bowl MVP, led the
league one year, twenty three sacks, Defensive Player of the Year.
He's not there in any other organization. His name is
up there. I still hold the Ring of Honor to
be exclusive, barring jacket or ring. The way they have

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done this since Don Perkins.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's the requirement.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
So Jason Witten will get a jacket, Zach Martin will
get a jacket, Tyren Smith Smith will be in the
conversation and probably should get a jacket.

Speaker 6 (31:45):
My opinion, so now the Cowboys have been known, I
think to use it as if somebody's on the cusp
of the Hall of Fame and it comes up in
those meeting rooms of his on team. Doesn't happen up there,
why should we? The Cowboys have been known, I think
to the go here, here's that piece. Then if that's
what you're saying, it's holding them back here, it does insight.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
I think they did that with Drew Pearson.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
So Drew in talking to Drew tech Shram had him
on the list to go in, but then got fired.
So he was you know, he was into Q to
go text didn't do it. And then when Jerry came in,
that happened. And I don't know if something was said
by Drew that jerrydan like that's been something that's kind

(32:29):
of been thrown out there, but he was there. And oh,
by the way, Drew Pearson super Bowl winner, first Team
All Decade nineteen seventies, it's legitimate.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's there.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Some of these guys you talk about, where are they
at in their careers? Forget what they did for the Cowboys.
When we look back over the league, what did you do?
Were you an elite player in the National Football You
do in your time? Rick Goslin once told me, he says,
supposed to my first bout guys, So for guys the
first bout guy. We should just say your name is
hit down. Oh, I present Peyton Manning sitting down. We

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should have to discuss it, yeah, talk about and to me,
I look at the Ring of Honor in that same way.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
We shouldn't have to discuss it. We should have to
even debate it.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
You should be oh yeah, Zach Martin, Oh yeah, right right,
and yeah, so Dak no, no, especially since you were top,
what's the standard here?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
At some point time, the standard needs to be.

Speaker 6 (33:28):
Not yet, Dak, not yet? Okay, no, no, no, I'm saying yeah.
When we say dak, obviously it's like story is not finished.
If somethinged, if there's something over the course of his
career where he ends a drought that changes discussion.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
And where where you're going there and where I saw
it and all of us saw it was Dirk Nibitsky,
you know, we saw it over time, like yeah, no, man,
that that's the guy, that's the that that is.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
The dude and and you know, greatest maverick of all time.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
But there was there was a question mark, especially after
six O six, you know, go to the finals, they
hooked that away. Then O seven, you know, you go
ahead and get the best record of the league, you
win the VP, get put out in the first round.
There were people like, oh my gosh, you know, what's
what's it with this dude? Should you trade him?

Speaker 11 (34:08):
What?

Speaker 2 (34:09):
You know?

Speaker 3 (34:09):
And you know, but it was there, and so Dak
Prescott has that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
And I don't think I have it this year.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yeah, but if these pieces that they made trades for
and they can figure out what to do and spend
an off season trying to fix this this defense and
sign at George Pickens, who knows what they could be
next year.

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I want you to imagine Charles Barkley's face right now? Okay,
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Speaker 2 (34:36):
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Speaker 11 (34:38):
I'm super happy to be a part of this defensive
line group that's super loaded and super talented with Kenny
Clark and oh and Nte Con and coach Aaron Man.
It is unbelievable to go to go to work with
those guys.

Speaker 6 (34:50):
They're both from Birmingham, Alabama. Closer than I would have
thought if you just had told me it. Yeah, hearing it,
I hear it more.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
I noticed it more when he said Kenny Clark, because
he mean like Kenny Clark goodness.

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All right, guys, what's the biggest thing that needs to
get right? Come the Raider game? When the Cowboys get
off the bi did you say, hey, I need to
see this.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
The secondary needs to play better. If the secondary can
play better, I feel good about your six and two
prediction I do the secondary is the biggest question remaining
on this team. Because you you've shored up that defensive front,
You're getting two linebackers that are more athletic than what
you've had throughout the season, that should be able to
handle those zone covers responsibilities better. They should be able
to fit run gaps better than what your group has

(38:27):
given you so far this season. Kenneth Murray, The secondary
has to play better, has to.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
Yeah, that's that's number one. They cannot have. We've talked
about it. Almost every single touchdown giving up this year
has led to someone going yep, putting their hands up
and turn around and looking around of like, why weren't
you doing what you're doing?

Speaker 5 (38:49):
Why were you doing with.

Speaker 6 (38:50):
Moment there's now That one was a little more like god,
why it felt like with Mike Williams dancing behind him
for the Chargers. But no, this was this is a
lot of just confusion. There needs to be a whole
lot less confusion. And look, Matti Refluce's history is as
a linebackers coach. Matti Reflus has said that the most

(39:12):
important position in his scheme is the three technique defensive tackle.
You got a three technique're getting two linebackers back. I
think this is also all right, now go make this work.
These are the pieces you need to go make it work.
And so I think that that's a big thing. And
then on the other side, your right tackle needs to
that that position needs to kind of settle in that
that's getting to be a problem. I like, it still

(39:33):
doesn't look technically technically clean. I like how Tyler Guiton
is battling right now and he's gotten the job done
in games where it didn't start off pretty so, so Geyton,
I have some hope for the right tackle spot needs
to be better more consistently.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
By the way, your six and two prediction for the
Cowboys after the vibe, I mean they would be nine,
seven and one.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Is that going to get him in?

Speaker 6 (39:59):
Probably on you? You probably in order to get into the playoffs.
Who probably it can only lose one game, I would guess.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
In essence, you would have the tiebreaker over all of
the other nine win teams. So it's you're you're.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Not gonna tie with them exactly, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
It's like you would you would be over all the
nine win teams, but you'd be below all the ten
win teams obviously, So do you do you get the
extra spot this year? I don't know. I don't know
what the way the league is gone. It feels like
every other year a nine win team sneaks in. I
think with the way the NFC is trending right now,
I think you need ten.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
NFC North and West both have too many teams that
look like they're gonna be about five hundred.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
I was gonna say, the problem you've got there. You
start to look at the losses. So Philadelphia NFC loss,
Bears NFC loss, Packers tie, Carolina Panthers NFC loss, Arizona
NFC loss, So you know, right there in your division,
you've got teams. It may be right there. You're like, okay,
let's say Tampa wins a division. You know the Panthers
could be that second place team that's sitting around up there.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
You still got to face air.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
You know, Detroit, Detroit has the last spot right now.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
No who knows what happens between Detroit and Green Bak So,
I mean, there's just a lot of stuff where they
put themselves behind the eight ball with some of these
critical losses to teams that they may be looking up
at at the end of the year.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
And so.

Speaker 6 (41:14):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you if you steal Caroline
or not steal, if you win the Carolina game you're
supposed to if you flip the Arizona game you felt
like you're supposed to win. If you flip one of
those games, four four and one with eight to play,
feels like a more manageable trek than the one you're
looking at right now. You need you have very thin
margins for air the rest of the way.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
I have no hope. It's just too late.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
You don't play in the spring. You begging the fall.
They're begging right now, and you're gonna need a whole
lot of stuff to go your way. But go out
just at least at least try to set the foundation
for going into next year.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:48):
If it's six and two down the stretch or better, though,
I want you to remember when we roll around to January.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
If they go six and two down down the stretch,
it feels like when the Lions went what's six and
oh to finish and finish like seven and nine a
few years back.

Speaker 6 (42:01):
Or it maybe feels like when the Cowboys were three
and five, and they went seven to one down the
stretch to win the division.

Speaker 7 (42:06):
Okay, Jason, Mary Cooper.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
I'm saying Quentinn Williams is defensive of Mary Cooper for
you this year?

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Can he have that much of an impact?

Speaker 6 (42:15):
I think he competed in at his I think I
think he completely changes the way that defense that offenses
try to attack you, which then changes the way you
can attack offenses.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
I agree, but I still think schedule areas schedule raiders.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Do you do you all agree mies Vikings charges commanders.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
Do you all agree that Quentin Williams and Logan Wilson
flip those three games, or at least two of them.
It flips Caroline in Green Bay?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
You probably don't have to buckle up against.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Rico, Yeah, honestly, or RJ or RJ over the Harvey.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
You know you probably don't have to.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
I just watched tape of Quinn Williams wreckon shop against
the Panthers. Wrong game, Yeah, and so I know what
he did against them.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Waited too late? Yeah, probably could.

Speaker 6 (42:55):
But I'm saying down the stretch those games that you
could you could have been six and three. So I
don't think six and two is too far gone Bybey.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
I enjoyed my conversations with you.

Speaker 7 (43:04):
Thank you have a good one you too, love you.

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This is our final media mash of the week.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Goodbye for a goodbye.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
And next week I'm gone. So you guys have fun
next week you're gone. Yes, I'll talk to you guys
after the raidar.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
A you going? Oh yeah, getting in and get a
little early have having some.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
Going to be there too. Who is Sean? You guys
should catch up.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I'm not on Seawn's level. Sean never outside outside.

Speaker 6 (43:32):
Shawn's going for Bravo cons like the TV channel.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Yeah, it's like real housewives are all going to be there.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
It's like a real show convention.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
So so when I when I did NBC Sports Ratio,
we shall have every week because we had Nascar and
we get Kyle Petty. Kyle Petty did not like sports.
Only sport you liked was Nascar. So there's two things
that he would talk about, Nascar and Bravo TV. This
dude starts telling me about the shaws of our sons
at and all these different housewatch and he was he

(44:03):
was legitimately like into it, knew it. You need to
watch I mean he's and he said, you'd be surprised
how many guys in the garage watched too.

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No, Richard Petty's like this, damn king, It's why I
never won.

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That part.

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If you want to move on from Bravo, Bravo.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Come yeah, you can tell all these married dudes getting
sucked into that great great All.

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Right, at you watched from ESPN, real.

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Man, Bob.

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Nick, Bobby Dewey, thank you for watching, for Chris Ban
and everybody else Dolas Cowboys dot Com.

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He said, this has been a production of Dallascowboys dot
Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club

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