March 5, 2025 • 46 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys This is Media Match,
a roundtable of Cowboys insiders trumping wisdom and offering sizzling
takes on the current state of your Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Now your host new He scrugs.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
All right, media Mash, You're on a busy day, your
favorite Dallas footward media members are here to break it down.
We've got John Jacques Taylor, the Ohio State I love
is here, Hall of Famer edwarders here. We've got most
Trusted Clarence Hill. New He scruggs. Zach Martin retired today,
and I have to start with you most trusted. As
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you walk to Jerry with tenderness as you were one
to do to talk about being wrong about Zach Martin
on draft.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
You see how he tried to get him righty to
I didn't trying to get it. First of all, Zach
started it, Okay, first Zach started.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I mean he was part of his prepared Tomas.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah, Zach started.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
He wrote this five page stripp and he made sure
that he took a shot at Jerry like I'm waiting
my whole career Zach Martin. Listen, listen, John Anzel.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
As you know, we don't let nothing go. As I said,
we love a good story and we don't let nothing go.
That's that's gonna be part of his Hall of Famers.
So that's part of his origin story, the fact that
Jerry Jones wanted Johnny Manziel over Zach Martin and was
not only draft night, he took it all the way
to training and talking to a competitor, to laying up
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a layup. You don't we here the cowboy, we don't
lay up, We go for it. Johnny Manziel was going
for it. Jack Martin was laying up and all this
years later, that lay up turned into a hall of
famers and John and Johnny manziela is you know, nowhere
to be found in the league. So you have to
ask there, Jared, are you happy being wrong? The wrongest
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you've ever been? You've been wrong with thing? What the
wrong would you ever been? Are you happy being wrong?
And that was what I was like.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
That boy Clarence just walked on, came on into this.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
First of all, Zach wasn't gonna bring it up. I
was gonna bring it up anyway. But the fact that
Zach brought it up just told you, just told you.
It's always gonna be the elephant in the room with Jerry.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
And Jerry was good natured about it because he said,
Steve and still his bruises on his knees, Stephen kicking
him under the table. But which guy they should be talking?
Speaker 4 (02:24):
It's always part of the origin story here for Hall of.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
What did Stephen say? It was unanimous.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Everybody was looking at their shoes as Jerry went around
the room trying to find something else. Who wanted to
draft Johnny Man?
Speaker 7 (02:34):
That was like that see that's see that was a
throwaway line, but that really speaks volumes like y'all ain't
got the courage to tell the man.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Like we'll just say nothing. We just won't make eye contact.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yes, and they all that tell about biting tongues, you know,
with a lot of peoples biting their tongue, you.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Know, keeping their job, keeping their job.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
But uh, now, when your boy dacratised, we're gonna talk
about Peyton and the other quarterback.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, but it wasn't. But it wasn't wonder one. This
was wonder one. This was I don't want that dude,
I want that, dude. Everybody universally thought Dak was a fourth,
third or fourth round pick, and and everybody had Packston,
Lynch and those guys up there. So that's a different conversation.
But just getting back to Dak and and of course,
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as Jerry did, he did call him Dak one time,
you know, I meant, but getting back to I mean,
what a career. I was just thinking about this and
I said this earlier, and I know that we can
there's a conversation where he fits in the cowboy all
time hierarchy. Uh, I know for sure he's the greatest
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cowboy post super Bowl era, post super Bowl era cowboys.
You know, the greatest cowboy POSTU Bowl era that includes
the Wind and Marcus. Where's yea, the greatest cowboy post
Bowl era? I will say that it has a puzzled
look on his face.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
He's like, because I might consider DeMarcus ware.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Right, it's a conversation. I just say he's the greatest coup. Yeah,
the Marcus were, but I would say, you put his
resume up there, all pros, Pro Bowls, everything he's done,
nobody can touch Zach Martin.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
When you put it that way. And now just thinking
in my head, I'm with you at the other person.
The only person that could put in the conversation would
be beware and wouldn't. But then I started to think
about at that position, right when you think about the
position he plays and when he goes into Canton and okay,
where does you were talking about greats like a John Hannah. Uh,
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there's a long list of guys. Then you just say, oh,
it's all It's all right. He's right there with them.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So that's why I'm like, you know what, I agree.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
With you, Randall McDaniel, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Larry Allen, and you know, and we can have a
conversation about Larry Allen and I know they're going he's
just right there with I mean, people forget and I listen.
As I said, Zach Martin is the greatest po super
bowlerry and we start the list the greatest cowboys, He's
probably up going be in the top ten. Okay, as
far as what he's done in his career, he was
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not more athletic than Larry Allen. He was not bigger
than Larry Allen. He was not stronger than Larry Allen.
He didn't play left tackling. Pro Bowl he.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Wasn't you know, he didn't run eighty yards down field
to make a tackle.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
But as far as being professal and you know not,
here's the question, perfectionist, all of that stuff. He did
the right there. But when you say he's bet Larry Allen,
I mean you I mean.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
What's his moment, Like we just raded off three or
four Larry Island moments. What's his moment? And I'm not
taking shots. I'm just saying because he plays interior line, so.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
You know, well, that's what's tough about it, because you
know Whitten had a moment running without the helmet, the
Marcus ware had a moment when he came back from
injury and had the second against New Orleans, and everybody
has their moments. Certainly Larry at this moment. Uh, It's
tough to say because I don't know that that. You know,
he certainly battled the Rams tackle and Aaron Donald knows.
I don't know if he had a singular moment, but
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his moment is his career, his consistency.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
John Hannah, what's his moment in New England? It was
a great player, I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Just just just you know, random mcdanny. It was just
you every day, you know, doing your job. And your
guy was pretty was clean, just a consistency. So I
don't know if he can have because the moment you
think of moment that's your I mean like your highlight moment.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
That moment was getting Tony Romo to come out and
participate in.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, and you at all and you saw everybody came
out from from Tyrre Smith to Leol Collins to all
the Lomany played with, Tyler biad Is, Travis Frederick. Everybody
was their former players, all the players from the current team.
You know, he was universally loved, you know, respected. I
didn't see Michael c d there, but they may be.
Speaker 7 (06:56):
I didn't see Whitten, didn't see what but he's coaching,
Oh Spring Boby, getting ready for Springbank.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know, I'm not taking a shot at.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
I mean, he twice mentioned Whitten as when he was
talking about teammates, know that he revered and learned the
most from him.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Was closest to He twice mentioned Witten.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Wittin got a job. Rest of these guys think got
no jobs, no jobs, ain't got no.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Job, wouldn't have the job we thought he might have,
or he would have been here.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
The whole coach's daff was here, you know, and.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
You know, dirty dirty, I thought it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But I thought it was.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
I thought it was great that, you know, as he
I mean, he named an incredible number of individual people
who contributed to his success. And his parents were there,
you know today, and just him talking about his parents,
you know, supporting him and driving him to practice, his
mom watching his you know, youth uniform, just all that stuff.
I think is it's really touching when a player retires
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and hits all those you know, personal notes in a
situation like that, really and he made it clear just
how much the game meant to him, the high level
at which he wanted to play, that he was motivated
to do it for his teammates more than anything. And
I just kind of wondered the one question I wanted
to ask but didn't get a question an opportunity was
you know, he talked about how he came in and
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the team played a certain way and ran the ball. Yeah,
they ran the football. They invested in the offensive line,
and that made things easier for him. And now they're
going back to that, or so it seems. Did that
make it harder? To walk away knowing you're walking away
from an opportunity to play football the way you think
it can be played.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And to that and you guys feel free to chime in.
His body from just the body wouldn't let him do it,
and then him having what some athletes won't do is
to have the self conversation, I can't come back and
do it the way I need to. For me from
my state, a lot of guys will kind of line
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themselves a little bit.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
That requires a lot of self awareness, and it requires
the acknowledgement to yourself that what's required to do the job.
And now y'allill probably laugh, but you know, I had
a conversation with this at the Dallas More News at
one point because I went in and I said, what's
required to cover the beat? Making all these calls, having
all these conversations, I'm just about done. Y'all need to
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find me something else to do, because what's required. I'm
either not willing to do it no more or I
don't want to do it no more because it takes
so much time. And once you stop doing that, you
start getting beat on a note here and a note there,
and nobody. Oh, it's just a note the next day,
you note Clar's got someone in the front paces you
ain't got because you haven't felt like making those phone calls.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
And the it's not there to yell at you to
make the call like you did when I was getting started.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
And so those are real because you got to have
that self awareness that for me to do it at
the level I just it's too hard.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I don't want to do it no more. And that's
when it's time to move on.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
And that's what the that's what Zach had the ability
to do.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
And you know, Ma that the injury gave him some
time to reflect on it.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, and I think injury is part of it. He
talked about it and that one of his regrets was
not being able to retire his way on the field,
you know, and and not being being hurt and having
to sit out and being warm up closed in the
last game. I know talking to Marcus Lawrence, you know,
I know he talked about not wanting to end his
career injured. Of course, you don't want. You can't decide that,
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you know, we don't know when you don't get it
like we learn.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
But it's the worst way to go out.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
That's not how you want to do it. That's one
reason why he was one right reason why he wants
to come back. And and you know, I saw Zach
and the Super Bowl and I could tell he wasn't
gonna play them, but he just was trying to wait
and get clarifications. Certainly he's still limping from the surgery
and he's not there. And he talked about what it
takes to be to play at his level and is
really really willing to do that at this point in
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his career, and that that answer was no.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
I remember the game against the Texans Monday night game,
which was his last, as it turned out.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
And I remember watching.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
A big game down the field and then looking back
and seeing z Act down on one knee and the
trainers coming out, and as it turned out, they were
walking him off the field for the last time. And
you wonder if even in that moment, he knew that
was probably yet.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
And we know he talked about it last year. Talk
you know, keep joking like, because he said in the
off season, you know that this was probably his last year.
He taught you knows. Bill Parcells said, we're thinking about retirement.
Y already retire. He's been actually thinking about it since
last offseason. This might be his last year. And we
all know what he held out two years ago.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Thank you didn't got that money? Yeah, I need that
go to passion.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And he held out two years ago that you know,
this was probably gonna be the last contract of his.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Jerry said, I had some funny anecdote about that too, right.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, And he said, I'm the best player in Lena
l I want to pay it that way. He was
still thinking that two years ago. And it was interesting
that he they he probably had his two worst seasons.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
They almost never talked to his agents that they talked,
and he walked in and initiated things and told him
how it was going to be and what he was
going to do.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
It was Tom Conton, but yeah, I think it was
probably about it.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
He was setting the parameters and then kind of go
do to go do the details.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
R J.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Guysner.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, one of those two.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
But the value he.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Attached to playing for only one franchise in his career
and uh, that same stuff. Look at one, the way
he talked about the Cowboys being that team, the reverence
with which he spoke about that, I thought that was
all pretty you know, fascinating inside stuff that you get
from these guys and when they turn into real human
beings at the end, I thought.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Brad Sham also came up with a very good question
where he asked Jerry Jones, are you prepared to say
that he's going into the Cowboys Ring of Honor before
the Pro Football Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5 (12:28):
And Jerry said yes.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
So we're gonna wait four years that far.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
He still has to put Romo in, Witting in, right,
does he have to ahead of Zach?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Well, well, no, Witn's going in because he getting ready.
He's up with Hall of Fame this year.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So you don't think he's gonna put Witt and Romo
in together?
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Why we're finished another conversation. But is worthy? I mean,
I'm willing to have it.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
How can you put I mean, listen, I think he's
going in because he Jerry's got But can you really
put Romo in without putting Danny White in?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Because because because what Danny White didn't really play for Jerry.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I'm just talking about from Cowboy Lord cabol history, three
straight Difinity, the championship games. He he he finished his
crib all.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Jerry's a one man Voting Committee. Danny White did nothing
for Jerry real moment a lot to Jerry.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
I can I can trump you on d any way.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Craig Morton, okay, stop stopping, to stop it, to stop stop.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
I'm sorry. Who took the Cowboys there first Super Bowl?
Speaker 7 (13:26):
Well, he helped him win the Super Bowl ten twelve,
well twelve.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Well, I remember asking Craig Morton when he was in Denver,
because I worked in Denver, and I said, Craig, what
do you remember most about that Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And he said the ceiling?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, in the super Dome because he was on his
back in that game, which is you know, it's interesting.
He's he's in the as you know, and he's in
the broadcost ring a boll. Yeah, he's in because he
took him to the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
He took the Cowboys to the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Stop it.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But it was transformative in Denver.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Stop it, man, Okay, stop it was transformative.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
He was they got there, he he split time with
They didn't take off until they Troy.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
But I mean, and if you stop it, this was
this was as winnable a game as if you've ever
seen the Super Bowl that they lost. That's because he
was the quarterbacks because he was going back that had
Mad Doug, Mike Curtis.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
I mean, he was a little bit of please stop it, man.
Speaker 9 (14:19):
I'm just saying nobody if ever heard it, nobody, nobody,
nobody ever inserted Craig Martin and one of the great
cowboy quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
You no one is going down the road.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
In Dallas.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah, thirteen right, draft pick number five overall?
Speaker 7 (14:41):
Why you know so much about Craig More? I don't
know you having football card as a kid, but you
do an interview for you in Austin in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
We are we tainting.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
With Craig.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
I mean, the Romo cont was fine.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Why is Craig Because it's fine because he was part
of this era, this generation. You're talking about Whitney going
in and Romo's party, DeMarcus Ware is already in. He's
part of that.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So we just go to once again as what we're
gonna make it to Denver Ring of Honor. No, we
go we go separate Charlie Johnson's Jerry's people from everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Not even in the Denver Gold Ring of Honor as
their head coach.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Boy Harry Sidney part of the Denver.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Gold I gotta If we have time, I'll tell you
a quick, funny Craig Morton story. I covered the Denver
Gold They worked out in Commerce City in an abandoned
middle school, And one day, when everybody was in meetings,
I heard in the distance the familiar sounds of Maybury RFD.
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So I follow it back and it takes me a
few minutes, And when I finally arrive, I see in
the player's lounge, when everybody else is in meetings, Craig
Morton is laying on the couch watching Andy Griffith rerun.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
That's why he's not in the Ring of Home.
Speaker 10 (15:53):
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Speaker 7 (15:53):
I was gonna say that, that's why the reading was
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Speaker 2 (15:56):
I did love Craig Morton. He was good.
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Speaker 5 (18:28):
We're earlier.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Today, Zach Martin held his press conference number seventy retired
with the Dallas Cowboys and owner Jerry Jones saying that
he will put Zack into the Cowboys' Ring of honor.
Zach is a on a five year trek to go
to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. When you talk
about first ballot guys, he should be a first ballot
guy when you look at everything he's accomplished in his career.
(18:49):
We were talking about this with our man, Clarence Hill. Trusted, Yes,
most trusted, all City Dallas.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well, he didn't respond when you said his name, but
his eyes light up when you.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Most trusted, most trusted. Still waiting on that Linc.
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Speaker 5 (19:20):
He is Jean Jacques Taylor Scrugg.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Okay. Restructures have been happening. Oh so Diggy Zua has happened.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Let's start to dive into the movies of the Cowboys
have made being selectively aggressive.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
You know, it's it's it's crazy because let Jerry tell it,
we're not doing anything different than we planned to do
last year. You know, we're not doing anything different. We
could you know, he he said that we we we
could have made money and signed who we wanted to
last year. They didn't. Obviously they they valued or prioritized
(19:52):
DAK and c D and not making any moves of it.
They basically punted free and set Mike McCarthy up the field.
I would say I did not do anything to the
approve the team. Watch guys walk out the door because
they were gearing up for this year because they knew
they had everybody thought Zach was going, de Marcus Lawns
was gone. They gonna have some salary issues. But you
(20:12):
look at what the Cowboys have done. You know they
are moving differently. Okay, getting osa done Early started talking
to him last week getting it done. Basically he was
trying to get it done at the combine and got
it done. You know, a couple of days after the combine,
you know, creating his cap room with DAK and CD
already starting to talk with Micaeh. You know, while Jerry says,
(20:35):
we have no voice to feel and we're not you know,
aggressively in free agency. We don't have any holes. Basically,
what he's saying that we need to go in.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But he wasn't dumb enough to say they're as good
as the Eagle.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Yeah, he wasn't done enough to say that. But something
is afoot, something is amiss. I mean it's what his
words say. Well, you know, we're not no, because it
looks like the Cowboys are gearing up for something. They're
not gearing up kreating moving to side money decide. Jordan
lewis they're not creating out his room to sign Cavante.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Turpmin Who for Miles Garrett.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I don't know, but I'm just asking. I mean, they're
creating his room for something.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
He became Metcalf became available today.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
He wants a new contract.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Max Crosby just signed, which means Michael money just.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Went up and it was gonna be what it's gonna
because he got thirty five and a half. I mean,
Michael was gonna get paid, yes, and Drusher was thirty four, right,
and he's just a little Yeah, it was supposed to
go up and missed. It was two years ago.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
So let's let's let'stab a little bit in here. More
so for some maybe some listeners didn't understand.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
So ceedee Lamb's contract restructure, Dak Prescott contract restructure. Oh
so adiggy Zua not being franchised and signing a deal,
which means because if you franchise and then that money
is locked in.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Twenty five million against the cat versus six point two
five million.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
So where for the listener out there, what does it mean?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
And then what's it laying out? What is it laying?
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Well, what it means is Matt Eberflus takes over as
a defensive coordinator and he's got a guy he really
trusts and should expect a lot out of as his
three technique player, which is the most important player, arguably
the most important player in his defense.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Historically.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Michael Parsons might change that, but that's an important get.
There are a lot of good defensive tackles in this draft.
But if you lose him and then you draft the
guy it's twelve, then all you've done is replace the
guy you just lost. So if you're, as we've said before,
if you're going to be a draft and developed team,
and a guy proves to justify your investment of a
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third round pick, as Osa has done, then you've got
to get the second contract at him, and they did,
and I think they got a very favorable second contract
out of him.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Like I talked to.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
People in the league who think this is one of
the worst player contracts that has ever been done for
a guy who had an opportunity in a market that's
not very attractive because there aren't a lot of great
players in it, and he's a young defensive tackle pass rusher,
Like he could have made way more if he'd have
gone to the market. And even if he gets franchised twice,
he makes fifty five million his first two years.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, yeah, well they probably weren't gonna do that twice.
One thing Stevens said that the reason why they had
to get him done they have nobody nobodies.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Right, said, we have Mazi and Mazi and Mazi.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
They have nobodies that position, you know, And so they
had to get that position done. And he said they
were still add to the position because they need more people,
you know, and that could be a draffic could be freidency,
but they have no bodies there, and then you have
no person to be the three technique in this important
four to three defense.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
But he had He had the second most quarterback hits
when lined up last year as a defensive tackle behind
Zach Allen and the Bronccess at thirty seven, and Digizu
had twenty and Cam Hayward had nineteen.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So that's a pretty good company to be keeping.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Your thoughts on DIGGI zoo was contract because some people
of social media were like, oh my gosh, it's overpaids
this is that. I took the standpoint of just who
else do you have? So what's your take on it?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
That the deal was good for the Cowboys. I mean
it was good for him. To me, it's it's one
of those win win deals. Uh, he just got a
huge raise, and to me, he got slotted whereabout he
was supposed to be slad. I think he's not the
fourteenth ass paid defensive tackle to me, Okay, cool, that's
where it is. You know, a year from now he'll
be seventeen, and two years from now it'll be twenty.
But it's the number you can work with. And we
(24:21):
know how the deals work. Man Lord salary cap figure
in his first year, maybe his second year. Now you
can do some business while you got him, so you know,
a good deal.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So going over here, clients, when you spoke about what
are they setting this up for? If you have Osu,
Diggy Zoo at Mazie Smith, to me, that's still not enough.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
No, no, just like last year, you reach outing your
own guys is not going all in. You know they
were already on the team. Now what are you doing
to improve the team, improved the talent base to take
it to the next level, you know, And so uh,
we'll see you know again. Steve even says we're gonna
be selectively aggressive. He said that they're looking, you know,
(25:03):
they're looking at trades and one of us, Jerry, says,
you know, we're not gonna aggressive is the wrong word,
you know, because there's nothing we need to get done.
And so I just think that, as he said before,
just because I said it, don't make it. So this
is the this is the misinformation season, and for once,
Jerry's trying to be close to the vest.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
But he also said this is a time of year
when we value our draft picks more than any other
time of the year, indicating that he'd be take a
lot to get him to give up significant picks. Well,
what you can sounds guys the creating it's like, Yeah,
what you're saying is, why have they cleared fifty seven
million dollars right? Why do they have fifty four million
dollars in cap space available free agency starting.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
To do for before the start of fraidency, that seemed
like a team that's trying to make a move, and
as a team that needs to make a move because
the Eagles are still making moves. Washington has made a
movie of and talked about them acquiring de Bo Sammers.
What do you think he's de boy a couple of
years ago or not? He still improved that football team.
These are all teams that are ahead of the cap
boys starting to finished the NFC champions Game in a
division h cow was playing catch up here.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Zach bond Re signed with Philadelphia and.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
They and they paid the running back.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
After Saquon Barkley two in twenty four hours, they resigned
the two and they were veteran free agency signed at
this time last year.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Who became All pros and they let Darius.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
They're gonna let Darius leave.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Well, they could know they could bring it back on
a cheaper deal too, But you know they replaced him
essentially in the draft last year with they.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Did the same thing.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
You give Barkley a big raise, but do you do
what you lower sailor cap figure so you can still
go about doing the business that you want to do.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
How about this with Barkley and Bond. Last year's Eagles
team the only Super Bowl team since nineteen seventy with
two veteran additions who earned first team All Pro honors.
That's how good they were. Allowed much they improved their
team last year. What a historic couple of movies was.
But the Eagles spent an NFL record two hundred and
(26:56):
seventy five million and guaranteed money in free agency last year.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Right, and they had some missis. They had some missions. Uh,
the defensive end didn't didn't play at all. He was
inactive for the Super Bowl. But no one cares. They
won the super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
It's not like other guys hit this Like like college programs,
you get you signed five five stars.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Then you hit on four, you miss on two. Yet
hit on Barkley.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
But but but the Cowboys, you know, still mad at
Brandon Carr. They still got pts D because they missed
on you.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Know, Brandon Carr around the car, Brandon Brandon Carr.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, they still got pts DAL for Brandon Carr because
they paid him all that money.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
And he was just a good player. Yeah, that's what
number two corners and that's what you know.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
And Steven talked about that to day. He talked about yeah,
you know, you know, asked about the names and the names,
you know, DK Metcalf guys, you know, and and and
the receiver from the Rams, uh Cooper Cup. Their names
that are able to be a drafted and they say
you got to watch out for names you got, Yeah, Trade,
I'm sorry you have to watch watch out for names
because names are often very good. But he did point
(27:54):
out that Barkley, that was a name that turned out right.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
If if Jerry's being truthful though, and he certainly diminished
the possibility of them changing their methodology and being more
involved early in free agency with the top tier guys,
if that's true. And I certainly understand Stephen Jones's point
about while we sit it out because early on. You're
(28:18):
paying good players like their great players, and great players
like their Hall of Fame players. I get all that,
but then there's the reality that we talked about with
the Eagles. You know, the Eagles went from eleven wins
to fourteen wins last year after what they did in
free agency and won their second Super Bowl. Well, the
top free agent spending team has improved their win total
(28:38):
nine straight years. So to say that you can't win
going into free agency and being aggressive and spending a
lot of money and getting top tier players isn't true.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
And which you said, there is top tier players and
also just putting guys here to fit your scheme. I
mean they Philadelphia plugged in two guys between Barkley and
bad They just fit their scheme.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
And Bond wasn't even supposed to be that, right, They
just brought him in as kind of a special teams player.
And I mean he signed for like three and a
half million dollars and now he's getting seventeen million a year.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's how he and.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
That's how you reward your guys, because you know, they
obviously Bond signed a one year deal, but they had
but Barkley was not on a one year deal, he
was a three years, he had a three year deal.
They basically tore it up and gave that's rewarding your guys.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Well, it creates all they feel good in the locker room.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
And doing it right before free agency. Yeah, doesn't that
send a message around the league that this is a
place you want to be. Like we not only won
the Super Bowl, but look how we treated our players,
Look how we reward our guys.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
But as Parcels said, Jerry can talk cat off the
top of a fish truck.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
With that, we go to.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I'm still taking that in.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah, that's pretty good what Barcels said.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
There's nothing like a parcelssm.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yes, Yes, Clarence had something he wants to talk about next,
and we're gonna do that because it's important because Clar's
brought it up, Clarens says, So that's why he's most trusting.
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Speaker 4 (32:21):
You know one thing that you know when we when
I asked Zak, you know what are your biggest regret?
He also you know, he talked about, you know, obviously
not being able to finish on the field, but not
being able to win, you know, and and all this
success and and I think that's some reason why so
many Cowboy fans or uh I would say cut or
cape for their players cape for deads Kate, but these
(32:42):
because they have nothing else to cape for, you know,
they cape for you know, there's this Bromo faction, and
there's this you know, there's they will you know, argue
to death over individual players because of the lack of
team success. And you're talking about another guy. Just one
thing that Michael alluded to when he got cross ways
with the with the Mike McCarthy stuff in the middle
(33:04):
of the season. You know, it was a guy who
basically don't get didn't get to win. All the greatness
that he has, all the greatness he's done, and he
walks away with no playoff success and he follows in
the footstep obviously wouldn't. I mean, uh, where one in.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Denver?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
But he had to lead to go win. But you
got the Rumbos, you got the win, and you got
the Dead Bryans and now you know, you got Zach
Martin again, who I said earlier is probably the greatest
post super bowler ever. A cowboy who has no playoff
success to speak.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Up well Martin.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Zach said that at the end of his press conference
today when he said to Jerry his biggest regret is
not being able to stand here in hoyste Lombardi Trophy
with you. But isn't that just can't you argue that
that's just one more All Pro player the Jerry and
the front.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Office field or the great staff field, I mean, or
you know, just got leave to win.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
He mentioned Anthony Hitchins up going to he got his rings.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
But I mean he's not of that ilk. I mean,
we talked about guys who are special. I mean, come on,
let's stop. No, this is another Craig Martin he Craig conversation.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Come on, now you're gonna put after hitches in this conversation.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Well, here's the question, sir. Don't the players bear some
responsibility for not being able to win?
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Its great on them, I mean, but it is.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
But it's only the quarterback to bear. It's since dak
or Rumbo and there they can't win, but they never
wouldn't They don't get that the guff that the quarterbacks get.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
I mean, but it's to me because they've had teams,
and we've discussed it, they've had teams capable of win, not.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Just teams have had opportunities set up for them.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Right right, I mean, and they've been.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
And Zach Phillips.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
And Zach said that those three five seasons with the
best football he's played since, has been with the best
teams has been on since been with the Cowboys. You know,
he was on twenty fourteen team twenty sixteen. I'm talking
about that. Zach said today that the tw five five
under Mike McCarthy, those were the best teams he's been on.
Speaker 7 (35:03):
You know, So I always think that the players bear
the ultimate failure. I mean, coaches can help, but ultimately,
you got to get get out there and play. Yeah,
the coaches get you great pep talk whatever. Man get
out there involved.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
But you got to have it. You just like the
Marcus where the Marcus War didn't change when it went
to Denver. You know, he went to a situation you know,
better plays, better players around him that that allow different teams.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, like you know he can't the way.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
The Hitches with the Can's City got paton bones. It
was all about that Hitchings, What did you do to you?
And then we're talking about great hits, legacy players, right
are we talking about legacy players.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Some of us are.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
We're gonna talk about Jesse Holly, do you what.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
You do this talk about this and Jesse, sir.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I mean Jesse already called you out for you what
you make it feel small all that time?
Speaker 4 (36:10):
What are you're talking about?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
You called him mister fourth and gone? How was this
a foot line? He forgot about it? He set up
there this and they bj meeting.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Clarence cut him up and get his friends laughed at
him and mister fourth and gone, I mean fourth words,
brother was.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Still carrying that last walk.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
It was a play word.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Probably just slipped up on words.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
No, no, he didn't. It was it was dirty words
and dirty.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Play on words. But anyway, uh so, I mean, yeah,
you got you got all these guys and and and
so when is it going to end? That's what they
Michael talked about. When is it gonna end? When is
it gonna end? The guys come and have great crews,
the Cowboys, but no team success. When is that going
to end?
Speaker 5 (36:49):
That's a great question, because they ain't in no time soon.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
So you have you have no hope.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
Well, the same guy said that, Michael Parsons after at
the end the season, said we're in for a couple
of difficult years, right.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
He said that at the end of the season, I.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Thought he said that stops now. I thought he said.
I just remember him saying when someone talked about this
point to make it by Zach, he said that stops now.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
After the last regular season game when they didn't make
the playoffs and finished seven and ten, he said, we're
in for a couple of difficulty and most we even
know that the Eagles are gonna go win the Super
Bowl in Washington.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
More recently in the NFC Championship game with.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Him more recently said that that stops now, and.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
He I think he's being more honest though at the
end of the year.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Like when, like when, when when when that said we
s something, this.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
Sucks, campaigning, campaigning for a new contract. Once the offseason starts.
In the moments after a devastating loss, that's when you
get the track.
Speaker 7 (37:42):
But anything from the best players on this team that
show that they can meet the moment, embrace it, and
succeed at that particular moment, if you compare it to
what the only thing we compared to the best Cowboys
teams we've seen. All of their stars were like, Oh,
it's the moment, let's go there. Their role players were like, oh,
it's the moment.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Let's go. But they had a coach that had put
it in sixcess headlines bego. I mean they also had
a coach except the tone.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
I mean, that's that's what we always get back to.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
System.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
McCary always talked about, Hey, we're going there, We're gonna win. Yeah,
but we're gonna go there.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
But but when they played San Francisco here, he was nervous.
He said they were nervous in the locker room. I mean,
so he didn't set that. That's the only thing that
only bothers me bad.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
And the Green Bay game, he said he didn't do
a good job of getting his quarterback comfortable early in
the game.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Yeah, man, So what did Nick Sirianni do then?
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Mat his players play? He got out the way you know,
he came. He was a play caller for a couple
of years. He got out the way.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
But you know, Jalen Hurts is a guy who you
say what you will to about him. In big games.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
He plays well, you know, except except in Alabama.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
It's not true. Against Clemson, he left the field. He
had to lead de Sean Watson went down there, won
the game.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
I'm talking about I'm talking about the what your game.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
I mean, I mean you know that the bench.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Did you just say they should get to Sean Watson
if they want.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
To meet at the bench.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
If we're to a college that's worse than your anthony
by Craig Morton, what is available? You won't got nothing here?
Who's you got?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
You got, said Craig more.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
Lan, I got what are you surprised to hear Jerry
basically say, man, we're a team that doesn't really have
a lot of great.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
That's what That's what struck me. He said, We don't
basically don't have any voice, no needs. You know, there's
no must haves, you know, and and and it's like
what do you but but but Stephen Jones two second,
lady said, we signed as a hitching. We got nobody
defensive tackle, you know. So that's why you know, you
got to take some time. Huh.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
Then he signed Anthony hitch defense tackles. You got hitches
on your mind?
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Osa, my bad? Yeah, you gotta hit to some of
my mine. But Stephen Jones said, the reason why we
signed Osen got him done because we have no but
no body's at the position, you know, So to sit
up here and say you have no voids, and Jerry
try to say, well, once we between our guys and
the draft, we're gonna feel you don't want to have
to go into the draft to feel voids. And and
that's the mistake. I just don't think that they're they're
(40:19):
really going to go in the draft looking to feel voids. Okay,
you know at least that's that's not what you want.
You know, in the past with the Colvin's been success,
they fill needs in the draft, so draft Day they
can draft pure, they can draft the best player available.
And yeah, irrespective to a need.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
So Davante Adams is going to be released by the Jets,
So Jets are done with DeVante Adams And so that's
also been out there on social media.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Should the Cowboys go get him?
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Brandon cooks his and coming back here finding a number
two for CD Lamb ed thoughts.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
Oh, they definitely need to prioritize getting a number two receiver.
And the draft is not strong have receiver or so
it seems. Of course you only need one. You only
need one player to hit on. So we could happen.
But to illustrate how desperate they are at that position,
like ced Lamb didn't even finish the season, and he
was the only receiver who had a you know, one
hundred yard game last year. The Cowboys are one of
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three teams that didn't have multiple players have one hundred
yard receiving games. Pittsburgh and Washington were the other two.
And so I think that reflects just how much they
need a receiver opposite Ceede Lamb for this offense to
operate effectively.
Speaker 7 (41:26):
Well, that's why Washington went and did what w got
Deebo Samuel. At least we've got a guy now who's
capable of doing that. You know, I would say, acquire
one and draft one. Now you give yourself a real
receiving group like they had a few years.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
Because Adam's that guy for you. I mean he could be.
Speaker 7 (41:44):
You know, any any of those receivers. You have to say,
what's your take on CD? Because CD is a guy
he's getting ten targets a game. You good with five
or six or seven? Because CD is getting ten is
not a That's a good point.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
I believe that. I guess everything says.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
I mean, I would want Devanta Adams, I want I
would want him of a Cooper Cup. I mean, I've
always said the cow like what thirty three.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Yeah, he's injuries injury, injury.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
You know. And I know DK Metcal is gonna want
to get paid. Obviously you have to pay Devanta Adams.
I don't know, he's already been paid, you know. Does
he need to get paid again?
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Yeah, those are guys that are on the trade. But
I'm Adams is free.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Adams.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Here's a free guy. You don't have to give up
anything from this guy. You can go.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Get Well, you got him, and you got the guy,
the little guy from Seattle Locket.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Who has a history with shot him history shot number
but back.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
Didn't Schottenheimer use him as a point of reference when
he was talking about Turpin's guys going down, smaller guys
going down?
Speaker 5 (42:41):
He did? He did you a hall of fame?
Speaker 17 (42:44):
He did?
Speaker 4 (42:45):
He did. My thing is I just think the cowboys
don't need a niche guy. And I would say a
smallsh receivers a niche guy, you know es But at
this point in his career, I mean he's older.
Speaker 6 (42:55):
I mean he's not Uh, he's already Brandon Cooks Huh
is interping, Why can't be there?
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Yeah, I mean I think they they need a big
guy to make then tested.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Catches a big ask guy. That's Davante.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
That's Devanta Adams to me, now, was that gonna calls?
They got all this capital and said what do you to.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Be interested in DeVante Adams?
Speaker 5 (43:17):
I would say, thank you, I appreciate, Yeah, I appreciate.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
I mean he was productive for the Jets.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
And I still draft the guy.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Is he gonna go play somewhere without Aaron Rodgers? I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
But where's Aaron Rodgers going?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
See that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
You have CD used to be to hang outside of
Brett Farmer's house and everything. You're not hanging outside of
Aaron Rodgers house.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
That's why I won't be around. Are Brett farv.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Guy outside of the car that you HiT's no clouds?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Facts?
Speaker 3 (43:49):
I mean that's not dirt, that's facts.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
It wasn't like I chose to go hang out outside
his house. I was a sign hang out side his
house and then Britain And.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Did you get the welfare money too?
Speaker 7 (44:04):
That's dirty work, right, that's it I was gonna say.
I wasn't gonna say nothing about the welfare money.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Has that been proven?
Speaker 5 (44:16):
You just needed to eat?
Speaker 2 (44:17):
He's been broken, I said, I said, has that been proved?
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Be got documents, we got we got the smoking gun.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
This is a good place to thank you.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I think it's a horrendous place stand.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
I just you just gave him food stamp, cause I
would say this on one thing, one one before we end.
Now you're gonna get serious, now, yes, gets serious. That's
some possible that we're over our time after after Zach Martin.
Who's the next guy to go in the ring?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
About after Zach Martin? I think Witt is the next category.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
Okay, I'm talking about on the current team, my bad.
Speaker 5 (44:57):
Crickets.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
I mean I would say CD and and and Dak
are trending that way. Michael is trending that way.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
C d Lamb. At this point in time, I'm picking one.
I'm going with C.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
D Lamb over Michael.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Well because he's so much further into his career than Micah.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Michael got four four Pro Bowls, three first team I allprobed.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Okay, that's one of his clients.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
It's not a client boat. I'm just saying for no,
but I'm just saying three first team All pros. He
doing his numbers are tracking with Reggie White. That's all
I'm saying, okay, okay, right there, Yes, number, it's number
not tracking with Reggie White.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
Hey, hey, I'm just saying that CD's career is probably
gonna be over earlier and and he's going to accomplish
a lot, and so he might go.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Jerry also said last year he was putting Michaey in
at the at the Witch.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Okay, you sure he ain't going in. You're got michaeh.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Got pretty sure he's not going in?
Speaker 3 (45:58):
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Speaker 5 (46:02):
Yes, Hall of Famer, thank you, appreciate you. The author.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Now your host new He scrugs.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
All right, media Mash, You're on a busy day, your
favorite Dallas footward media members are here to break it down.
We've got John Jacques Taylor, the Ohio State I love
is here, Hall of Famer edwarders here. We've got most
Trusted Clarence Hill. New He scruggs. Zach Martin retired today,
and I have to start with you most trusted. As
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you walk to Jerry with tenderness as you were one
to do to talk about being wrong about Zach Martin
on draft.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
You see how he tried to get him righty to
I didn't trying to get it. First of all, Zach
started it, Okay, first Zach started.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I mean he was part of his prepared Tomas.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah, Zach started.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
He wrote this five page stripp and he made sure
that he took a shot at Jerry like I'm waiting
my whole career Zach Martin. Listen, listen, John Anzel.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
As you know, we don't let nothing go. As I said,
we love a good story and we don't let nothing go.
That's that's gonna be part of his Hall of Famers.
So that's part of his origin story, the fact that
Jerry Jones wanted Johnny Manziel over Zach Martin and was
not only draft night, he took it all the way
to training and talking to a competitor, to laying up
(01:38):
a layup. You don't we here the cowboy, we don't
lay up, We go for it. Johnny Manziel was going
for it. Jack Martin was laying up and all this
years later, that lay up turned into a hall of
famers and John and Johnny manziela is you know, nowhere
to be found in the league. So you have to
ask there, Jared, are you happy being wrong? The wrongest
(01:58):
you've ever been? You've been wrong with thing? What the
wrong would you ever been? Are you happy being wrong?
And that was what I was like.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
That boy Clarence just walked on, came on into this.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
First of all, Zach wasn't gonna bring it up. I
was gonna bring it up anyway. But the fact that
Zach brought it up just told you, just told you.
It's always gonna be the elephant in the room with Jerry.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
And Jerry was good natured about it because he said,
Steve and still his bruises on his knees, Stephen kicking
him under the table. But which guy they should be talking?
Speaker 4 (02:24):
It's always part of the origin story here for Hall of.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
What did Stephen say? It was unanimous.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Everybody was looking at their shoes as Jerry went around
the room trying to find something else. Who wanted to
draft Johnny Man?
Speaker 7 (02:34):
That was like that see that's see that was a
throwaway line, but that really speaks volumes like y'all ain't
got the courage to tell the man.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Like we'll just say nothing. We just won't make eye contact.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yes, and they all that tell about biting tongues, you know,
with a lot of peoples biting their tongue, you.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Know, keeping their job, keeping their job.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
But uh, now, when your boy dacratised, we're gonna talk
about Peyton and the other quarterback.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, but it wasn't. But it wasn't wonder one. This
was wonder one. This was I don't want that dude,
I want that, dude. Everybody universally thought Dak was a fourth,
third or fourth round pick, and and everybody had Packston,
Lynch and those guys up there. So that's a different conversation.
But just getting back to Dak and and of course,
(03:18):
as Jerry did, he did call him Dak one time,
you know, I meant, but getting back to I mean,
what a career. I was just thinking about this and
I said this earlier, and I know that we can
there's a conversation where he fits in the cowboy all
time hierarchy. Uh, I know for sure he's the greatest
(03:40):
cowboy post super Bowl era, post super Bowl era cowboys.
You know, the greatest cowboy POSTU Bowl era that includes
the Wind and Marcus. Where's yea, the greatest cowboy post
Bowl era? I will say that it has a puzzled
look on his face.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
He's like, because I might consider DeMarcus ware.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Right, it's a conversation. I just say he's the greatest coup. Yeah,
the Marcus were, but I would say, you put his
resume up there, all pros, Pro Bowls, everything he's done,
nobody can touch Zach Martin.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
When you put it that way. And now just thinking
in my head, I'm with you at the other person.
The only person that could put in the conversation would
be beware and wouldn't. But then I started to think
about at that position, right when you think about the
position he plays and when he goes into Canton and okay,
where does you were talking about greats like a John Hannah. Uh,
(04:37):
there's a long list of guys. Then you just say, oh,
it's all It's all right. He's right there with them.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So that's why I'm like, you know what, I agree.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
With you, Randall McDaniel, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Larry Allen, and you know, and we can have a
conversation about Larry Allen and I know they're going he's
just right there with I mean, people forget and I listen.
As I said, Zach Martin is the greatest po super
bowlerry and we start the list the greatest cowboys, He's
probably up going be in the top ten. Okay, as
far as what he's done in his career, he was
(05:10):
not more athletic than Larry Allen. He was not bigger
than Larry Allen. He was not stronger than Larry Allen.
He didn't play left tackling. Pro Bowl he.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Wasn't you know, he didn't run eighty yards down field
to make a tackle.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
But as far as being professal and you know not,
here's the question, perfectionist, all of that stuff. He did
the right there. But when you say he's bet Larry Allen,
I mean you I mean.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
What's his moment, Like we just raded off three or
four Larry Island moments. What's his moment? And I'm not
taking shots. I'm just saying because he plays interior line, so.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
You know, well, that's what's tough about it, because you
know Whitten had a moment running without the helmet, the
Marcus ware had a moment when he came back from
injury and had the second against New Orleans, and everybody
has their moments. Certainly Larry at this moment. Uh, It's
tough to say because I don't know that that. You know,
he certainly battled the Rams tackle and Aaron Donald knows.
I don't know if he had a singular moment, but
(06:10):
his moment is his career, his consistency.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
John Hannah, what's his moment in New England? It was
a great player, I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Just just just you know, random mcdanny. It was just
you every day, you know, doing your job. And your
guy was pretty was clean, just a consistency. So I
don't know if he can have because the moment you
think of moment that's your I mean like your highlight moment.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
That moment was getting Tony Romo to come out and
participate in.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, and you at all and you saw everybody came
out from from Tyrre Smith to Leol Collins to all
the Lomany played with, Tyler biad Is, Travis Frederick. Everybody
was their former players, all the players from the current team.
You know, he was universally loved, you know, respected. I
didn't see Michael c d there, but they may be.
Speaker 7 (06:56):
I didn't see Whitten, didn't see what but he's coaching,
Oh Spring Boby, getting ready for Springbank.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know, I'm not taking a shot at.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
I mean, he twice mentioned Whitten as when he was
talking about teammates, know that he revered and learned the
most from him.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Was closest to He twice mentioned Witten.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Wittin got a job. Rest of these guys think got
no jobs, no jobs, ain't got no.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Job, wouldn't have the job we thought he might have,
or he would have been here.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
The whole coach's daff was here, you know, and.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
You know, dirty dirty, I thought it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But I thought it was.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
I thought it was great that, you know, as he
I mean, he named an incredible number of individual people
who contributed to his success. And his parents were there,
you know today, and just him talking about his parents,
you know, supporting him and driving him to practice, his
mom watching his you know, youth uniform, just all that stuff.
I think is it's really touching when a player retires
(08:00):
and hits all those you know, personal notes in a
situation like that, really and he made it clear just
how much the game meant to him, the high level
at which he wanted to play, that he was motivated
to do it for his teammates more than anything. And
I just kind of wondered the one question I wanted
to ask but didn't get a question an opportunity was
you know, he talked about how he came in and
(08:22):
the team played a certain way and ran the ball. Yeah,
they ran the football. They invested in the offensive line,
and that made things easier for him. And now they're
going back to that, or so it seems. Did that
make it harder? To walk away knowing you're walking away
from an opportunity to play football the way you think
it can be played.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And to that and you guys feel free to chime in.
His body from just the body wouldn't let him do it,
and then him having what some athletes won't do is
to have the self conversation, I can't come back and
do it the way I need to. For me from
my state, a lot of guys will kind of line
(09:01):
themselves a little bit.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
That requires a lot of self awareness, and it requires
the acknowledgement to yourself that what's required to do the job.
And now y'allill probably laugh, but you know, I had
a conversation with this at the Dallas More News at
one point because I went in and I said, what's
required to cover the beat? Making all these calls, having
all these conversations, I'm just about done. Y'all need to
(09:24):
find me something else to do, because what's required. I'm
either not willing to do it no more or I
don't want to do it no more because it takes
so much time. And once you stop doing that, you
start getting beat on a note here and a note there,
and nobody. Oh, it's just a note the next day,
you note Clar's got someone in the front paces you
ain't got because you haven't felt like making those phone calls.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
And the it's not there to yell at you to
make the call like you did when I was getting started.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
And so those are real because you got to have
that self awareness that for me to do it at
the level I just it's too hard.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I don't want to do it no more. And that's
when it's time to move on.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
And that's what the that's what Zach had the ability
to do.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
And you know, Ma that the injury gave him some
time to reflect on it.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, and I think injury is part of it. He
talked about it and that one of his regrets was
not being able to retire his way on the field,
you know, and and not being being hurt and having
to sit out and being warm up closed in the
last game. I know talking to Marcus Lawrence, you know,
I know he talked about not wanting to end his
career injured. Of course, you don't want. You can't decide that,
(10:22):
you know, we don't know when you don't get it
like we learn.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
But it's the worst way to go out.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
That's not how you want to do it. That's one
reason why he was one right reason why he wants
to come back. And and you know, I saw Zach
and the Super Bowl and I could tell he wasn't
gonna play them, but he just was trying to wait
and get clarifications. Certainly he's still limping from the surgery
and he's not there. And he talked about what it
takes to be to play at his level and is
really really willing to do that at this point in
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his career, and that that answer was no.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
I remember the game against the Texans Monday night game,
which was his last, as it turned out.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
And I remember watching.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
A big game down the field and then looking back
and seeing z Act down on one knee and the
trainers coming out, and as it turned out, they were
walking him off the field for the last time. And
you wonder if even in that moment, he knew that
was probably yet.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
And we know he talked about it last year. Talk
you know, keep joking like, because he said in the
off season, you know that this was probably his last year.
He taught you knows. Bill Parcells said, we're thinking about retirement.
Y already retire. He's been actually thinking about it since
last offseason. This might be his last year. And we
all know what he held out two years ago.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Thank you didn't got that money? Yeah, I need that
go to passion.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And he held out two years ago that you know,
this was probably gonna be the last contract of his.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Jerry said, I had some funny anecdote about that too, right.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, And he said, I'm the best player in Lena
l I want to pay it that way. He was
still thinking that two years ago. And it was interesting
that he they he probably had his two worst seasons.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
They almost never talked to his agents that they talked,
and he walked in and initiated things and told him
how it was going to be and what he was
going to do.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
It was Tom Conton, but yeah, I think it was
probably about it.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
He was setting the parameters and then kind of go
do to go do the details.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
R J.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Guysner.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, one of those two.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
But the value he.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Attached to playing for only one franchise in his career
and uh, that same stuff. Look at one, the way
he talked about the Cowboys being that team, the reverence
with which he spoke about that, I thought that was
all pretty you know, fascinating inside stuff that you get
from these guys and when they turn into real human
beings at the end, I thought.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Brad Sham also came up with a very good question
where he asked Jerry Jones, are you prepared to say
that he's going into the Cowboys Ring of Honor before
the Pro Football Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5 (12:28):
And Jerry said yes.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
So we're gonna wait four years that far.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
He still has to put Romo in, Witting in, right,
does he have to ahead of Zach?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Well, well, no, Witn's going in because he getting ready.
He's up with Hall of Fame this year.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So you don't think he's gonna put Witt and Romo
in together?
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Why we're finished another conversation. But is worthy? I mean,
I'm willing to have it.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
How can you put I mean, listen, I think he's
going in because he Jerry's got But can you really
put Romo in without putting Danny White in?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Because because because what Danny White didn't really play for Jerry.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I'm just talking about from Cowboy Lord cabol history, three
straight Difinity, the championship games. He he he finished his
crib all.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Jerry's a one man Voting Committee. Danny White did nothing
for Jerry real moment a lot to Jerry.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
I can I can trump you on d any way.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Craig Morton, okay, stop stopping, to stop it, to stop stop.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
I'm sorry. Who took the Cowboys there first Super Bowl?
Speaker 7 (13:26):
Well, he helped him win the Super Bowl ten twelve,
well twelve.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Well, I remember asking Craig Morton when he was in Denver,
because I worked in Denver, and I said, Craig, what
do you remember most about that Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And he said the ceiling?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, in the super Dome because he was on his
back in that game, which is you know, it's interesting.
He's he's in the as you know, and he's in
the broadcost ring a boll. Yeah, he's in because he
took him to the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
He took the Cowboys to the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Stop it.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But it was transformative in Denver.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Stop it, man, Okay, stop it was transformative.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
He was they got there, he he split time with
They didn't take off until they Troy.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
But I mean, and if you stop it, this was
this was as winnable a game as if you've ever
seen the Super Bowl that they lost. That's because he
was the quarterbacks because he was going back that had
Mad Doug, Mike Curtis.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
I mean, he was a little bit of please stop it, man.
Speaker 9 (14:19):
I'm just saying nobody if ever heard it, nobody, nobody,
nobody ever inserted Craig Martin and one of the great
cowboy quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
You no one is going down the road.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
In Dallas.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah, thirteen right, draft pick number five overall?
Speaker 7 (14:41):
Why you know so much about Craig More? I don't
know you having football card as a kid, but you
do an interview for you in Austin in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
We are we tainting.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
With Craig.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
I mean, the Romo cont was fine.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Why is Craig Because it's fine because he was part
of this era, this generation. You're talking about Whitney going
in and Romo's party, DeMarcus Ware is already in. He's
part of that.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So we just go to once again as what we're
gonna make it to Denver Ring of Honor. No, we
go we go separate Charlie Johnson's Jerry's people from everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Not even in the Denver Gold Ring of Honor as
their head coach.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Boy Harry Sidney part of the Denver.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Gold I gotta If we have time, I'll tell you
a quick, funny Craig Morton story. I covered the Denver
Gold They worked out in Commerce City in an abandoned
middle school, And one day, when everybody was in meetings,
I heard in the distance the familiar sounds of Maybury RFD.
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So I follow it back and it takes me a
few minutes, And when I finally arrive, I see in
the player's lounge, when everybody else is in meetings, Craig
Morton is laying on the couch watching Andy Griffith rerun.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
That's why he's not in the Ring of Home.
Speaker 10 (15:53):
You know.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
I was gonna say that, that's why the reading was
instead of preparation.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I did love Craig Morton. He was good.
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Speaker 5 (18:28):
We're earlier.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Today, Zach Martin held his press conference number seventy retired
with the Dallas Cowboys and owner Jerry Jones saying that
he will put Zack into the Cowboys' Ring of honor.
Zach is a on a five year trek to go
to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. When you talk
about first ballot guys, he should be a first ballot
guy when you look at everything he's accomplished in his career.
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We were talking about this with our man, Clarence Hill. Trusted, Yes,
most trusted, all City Dallas.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well, he didn't respond when you said his name, but
his eyes light up when you.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Most trusted, most trusted. Still waiting on that Linc.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
What's the question to get the forty one dollars discount on?
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Okay? What's the what's the what's the question.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Order?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Pro Football Hall of Fame writer w F.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
A A, the author, the former Cowboy beat Rider, the
Ohio State national champion, and a lum.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
He is Jean Jacques Taylor Scrugg.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Okay. Restructures have been happening. Oh so Diggy Zua has happened.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Let's start to dive into the movies of the Cowboys
have made being selectively aggressive.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
You know, it's it's it's crazy because let Jerry tell it,
we're not doing anything different than we planned to do
last year. You know, we're not doing anything different. We
could you know, he he said that we we we
could have made money and signed who we wanted to
last year. They didn't. Obviously they they valued or prioritized
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DAK and c D and not making any moves of it.
They basically punted free and set Mike McCarthy up the field.
I would say I did not do anything to the
approve the team. Watch guys walk out the door because
they were gearing up for this year because they knew
they had everybody thought Zach was going, de Marcus Lawns
was gone. They gonna have some salary issues. But you
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look at what the Cowboys have done. You know they
are moving differently. Okay, getting osa done Early started talking
to him last week getting it done. Basically he was
trying to get it done at the combine and got
it done. You know, a couple of days after the combine,
you know, creating his cap room with DAK and CD
already starting to talk with Micaeh. You know, while Jerry says,
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we have no voice to feel and we're not you know,
aggressively in free agency. We don't have any holes. Basically,
what he's saying that we need to go in.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But he wasn't dumb enough to say they're as good
as the Eagle.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Yeah, he wasn't done enough to say that. But something
is afoot, something is amiss. I mean it's what his
words say. Well, you know, we're not no, because it
looks like the Cowboys are gearing up for something. They're
not gearing up kreating moving to side money decide. Jordan
lewis they're not creating out his room to sign Cavante.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Turpmin Who for Miles Garrett.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I don't know, but I'm just asking. I mean, they're
creating his room for something.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
He became Metcalf became available today.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
He wants a new contract.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Max Crosby just signed, which means Michael money just.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Went up and it was gonna be what it's gonna
because he got thirty five and a half. I mean,
Michael was gonna get paid, yes, and Drusher was thirty four, right,
and he's just a little Yeah, it was supposed to
go up and missed. It was two years ago.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
So let's let's let'stab a little bit in here. More
so for some maybe some listeners didn't understand.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
So ceedee Lamb's contract restructure, Dak Prescott contract restructure. Oh
so adiggy Zua not being franchised and signing a deal,
which means because if you franchise and then that money
is locked in.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Twenty five million against the cat versus six point two
five million.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
So where for the listener out there, what does it mean?
Speaker 5 (21:57):
And then what's it laying out? What is it laying?
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Well, what it means is Matt Eberflus takes over as
a defensive coordinator and he's got a guy he really
trusts and should expect a lot out of as his
three technique player, which is the most important player, arguably
the most important player in his defense.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Historically.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Michael Parsons might change that, but that's an important get.
There are a lot of good defensive tackles in this draft.
But if you lose him and then you draft the
guy it's twelve, then all you've done is replace the
guy you just lost. So if you're, as we've said before,
if you're going to be a draft and developed team,
and a guy proves to justify your investment of a
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third round pick, as Osa has done, then you've got
to get the second contract at him, and they did,
and I think they got a very favorable second contract
out of him.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Like I talked to.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
People in the league who think this is one of
the worst player contracts that has ever been done for
a guy who had an opportunity in a market that's
not very attractive because there aren't a lot of great
players in it, and he's a young defensive tackle pass rusher,
Like he could have made way more if he'd have
gone to the market. And even if he gets franchised twice,
he makes fifty five million his first two years.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, yeah, well they probably weren't gonna do that twice.
One thing Stevens said that the reason why they had
to get him done they have nobody nobodies.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Right, said, we have Mazi and Mazi and Mazi.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
They have nobodies that position, you know, And so they
had to get that position done. And he said they
were still add to the position because they need more people,
you know, and that could be a draffic could be freidency,
but they have no bodies there, and then you have
no person to be the three technique in this important
four to three defense.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
But he had He had the second most quarterback hits
when lined up last year as a defensive tackle behind
Zach Allen and the Bronccess at thirty seven, and Digizu
had twenty and Cam Hayward had nineteen.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So that's a pretty good company to be keeping.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Your thoughts on DIGGI zoo was contract because some people
of social media were like, oh my gosh, it's overpaids
this is that. I took the standpoint of just who
else do you have? So what's your take on it?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
That the deal was good for the Cowboys. I mean
it was good for him. To me, it's it's one
of those win win deals. Uh, he just got a
huge raise, and to me, he got slotted whereabout he
was supposed to be slad. I think he's not the
fourteenth ass paid defensive tackle to me, Okay, cool, that's
where it is. You know, a year from now he'll
be seventeen, and two years from now it'll be twenty.
But it's the number you can work with. And we
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know how the deals work. Man Lord salary cap figure
in his first year, maybe his second year. Now you
can do some business while you got him, so you know,
a good deal.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So going over here, clients, when you spoke about what
are they setting this up for? If you have Osu,
Diggy Zoo at Mazie Smith, to me, that's still not enough.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
No, no, just like last year, you reach outing your
own guys is not going all in. You know they
were already on the team. Now what are you doing
to improve the team, improved the talent base to take
it to the next level, you know, And so uh,
we'll see you know again. Steve even says we're gonna
be selectively aggressive. He said that they're looking, you know,
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they're looking at trades and one of us, Jerry, says,
you know, we're not gonna aggressive is the wrong word,
you know, because there's nothing we need to get done.
And so I just think that, as he said before,
just because I said it, don't make it. So this
is the this is the misinformation season, and for once,
Jerry's trying to be close to the vest.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
But he also said this is a time of year
when we value our draft picks more than any other
time of the year, indicating that he'd be take a
lot to get him to give up significant picks. Well,
what you can sounds guys the creating it's like, Yeah,
what you're saying is, why have they cleared fifty seven
million dollars right? Why do they have fifty four million
dollars in cap space available free agency starting.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
To do for before the start of fraidency, that seemed
like a team that's trying to make a move, and
as a team that needs to make a move because
the Eagles are still making moves. Washington has made a
movie of and talked about them acquiring de Bo Sammers.
What do you think he's de boy a couple of
years ago or not? He still improved that football team.
These are all teams that are ahead of the cap
boys starting to finished the NFC champions Game in a
division h cow was playing catch up here.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Zach bond Re signed with Philadelphia and.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
They and they paid the running back.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
After Saquon Barkley two in twenty four hours, they resigned
the two and they were veteran free agency signed at
this time last year.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Who became All pros and they let Darius.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
They're gonna let Darius leave.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Well, they could know they could bring it back on
a cheaper deal too, But you know they replaced him
essentially in the draft last year with they.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Did the same thing.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
You give Barkley a big raise, but do you do
what you lower sailor cap figure so you can still
go about doing the business that you want to do.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
How about this with Barkley and Bond. Last year's Eagles
team the only Super Bowl team since nineteen seventy with
two veteran additions who earned first team All Pro honors.
That's how good they were. Allowed much they improved their
team last year. What a historic couple of movies was.
But the Eagles spent an NFL record two hundred and
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seventy five million and guaranteed money in free agency last year.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Right, and they had some missis. They had some missions. Uh,
the defensive end didn't didn't play at all. He was
inactive for the Super Bowl. But no one cares. They
won the super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
It's not like other guys hit this Like like college programs,
you get you signed five five stars.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Then you hit on four, you miss on two. Yet
hit on Barkley.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
But but but the Cowboys, you know, still mad at
Brandon Carr. They still got pts D because they missed
on you.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Know, Brandon Carr around the car, Brandon Brandon Carr.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, they still got pts DAL for Brandon Carr because
they paid him all that money.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
And he was just a good player. Yeah, that's what
number two corners and that's what you know.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
And Steven talked about that to day. He talked about yeah,
you know, you know, asked about the names and the names,
you know, DK Metcalf guys, you know, and and and
the receiver from the Rams, uh Cooper Cup. Their names
that are able to be a drafted and they say
you got to watch out for names you got, Yeah, Trade,
I'm sorry you have to watch watch out for names
because names are often very good. But he did point
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out that Barkley, that was a name that turned out right.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
If if Jerry's being truthful though, and he certainly diminished
the possibility of them changing their methodology and being more
involved early in free agency with the top tier guys,
if that's true. And I certainly understand Stephen Jones's point
about while we sit it out because early on. You're
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paying good players like their great players, and great players
like their Hall of Fame players. I get all that,
but then there's the reality that we talked about with
the Eagles. You know, the Eagles went from eleven wins
to fourteen wins last year after what they did in
free agency and won their second Super Bowl. Well, the
top free agent spending team has improved their win total
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nine straight years. So to say that you can't win
going into free agency and being aggressive and spending a
lot of money and getting top tier players isn't true.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
And which you said, there is top tier players and
also just putting guys here to fit your scheme. I
mean they Philadelphia plugged in two guys between Barkley and
bad They just fit their scheme.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
And Bond wasn't even supposed to be that, right, They
just brought him in as kind of a special teams player.
And I mean he signed for like three and a
half million dollars and now he's getting seventeen million a year.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's how he and.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
That's how you reward your guys, because you know, they
obviously Bond signed a one year deal, but they had
but Barkley was not on a one year deal, he
was a three years, he had a three year deal.
They basically tore it up and gave that's rewarding your guys.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Well, it creates all they feel good in the locker room.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
And doing it right before free agency. Yeah, doesn't that
send a message around the league that this is a
place you want to be. Like we not only won
the Super Bowl, but look how we treated our players,
Look how we reward our guys.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
But as Parcels said, Jerry can talk cat off the
top of a fish truck.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
With that, we go to.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I'm still taking that in.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah, that's pretty good what Barcels said.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
There's nothing like a parcelssm.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yes, Yes, Clarence had something he wants to talk about next,
and we're gonna do that because it's important because Clar's
brought it up, Clarens says, So that's why he's most trusting.
He's got a point where bring it home next Right
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Speaker 4 (32:21):
You know one thing that you know when we when
I asked Zak, you know what are your biggest regret?
He also you know, he talked about, you know, obviously
not being able to finish on the field, but not
being able to win, you know, and and all this
success and and I think that's some reason why so
many Cowboy fans or uh I would say cut or
cape for their players cape for deads Kate, but these
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because they have nothing else to cape for, you know,
they cape for you know, there's this Bromo faction, and
there's this you know, there's they will you know, argue
to death over individual players because of the lack of
team success. And you're talking about another guy. Just one
thing that Michael alluded to when he got cross ways
with the with the Mike McCarthy stuff in the middle
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of the season. You know, it was a guy who
basically don't get didn't get to win. All the greatness
that he has, all the greatness he's done, and he
walks away with no playoff success and he follows in
the footstep obviously wouldn't. I mean, uh, where one in.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Denver?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
But he had to lead to go win. But you
got the Rumbos, you got the win, and you got
the Dead Bryans and now you know, you got Zach
Martin again, who I said earlier is probably the greatest
post super bowler ever. A cowboy who has no playoff
success to speak.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Up well Martin.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Zach said that at the end of his press conference
today when he said to Jerry his biggest regret is
not being able to stand here in hoyste Lombardi Trophy
with you. But isn't that just can't you argue that
that's just one more All Pro player the Jerry and
the front.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Office field or the great staff field, I mean, or
you know, just got leave to win.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
He mentioned Anthony Hitchins up going to he got his rings.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
But I mean he's not of that ilk. I mean,
we talked about guys who are special. I mean, come on,
let's stop. No, this is another Craig Martin he Craig conversation.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Come on, now you're gonna put after hitches in this conversation.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Well, here's the question, sir. Don't the players bear some
responsibility for not being able to win?
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Its great on them, I mean, but it is.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
But it's only the quarterback to bear. It's since dak
or Rumbo and there they can't win, but they never
wouldn't They don't get that the guff that the quarterbacks get.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
I mean, but it's to me because they've had teams,
and we've discussed it, they've had teams capable of win, not.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Just teams have had opportunities set up for them.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Right right, I mean, and they've been.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
And Zach Phillips.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
And Zach said that those three five seasons with the
best football he's played since, has been with the best
teams has been on since been with the Cowboys. You know,
he was on twenty fourteen team twenty sixteen. I'm talking
about that. Zach said today that the tw five five
under Mike McCarthy, those were the best teams he's been on.
Speaker 7 (35:03):
You know, So I always think that the players bear
the ultimate failure. I mean, coaches can help, but ultimately,
you got to get get out there and play. Yeah,
the coaches get you great pep talk whatever. Man get
out there involved.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
But you got to have it. You just like the
Marcus where the Marcus War didn't change when it went
to Denver. You know, he went to a situation you know,
better plays, better players around him that that allow different teams.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, like you know he can't the way.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
The Hitches with the Can's City got paton bones. It
was all about that Hitchings, What did you do to you?
And then we're talking about great hits, legacy players, right
are we talking about legacy players.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Some of us are.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
We're gonna talk about Jesse Holly, do you what.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
You do this talk about this and Jesse, sir.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I mean Jesse already called you out for you what
you make it feel small all that time?
Speaker 4 (36:10):
What are you're talking about?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
You called him mister fourth and gone? How was this
a foot line? He forgot about it? He set up
there this and they bj meeting.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Clarence cut him up and get his friends laughed at
him and mister fourth and gone, I mean fourth words,
brother was.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Still carrying that last walk.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
It was a play word.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Probably just slipped up on words.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
No, no, he didn't. It was it was dirty words
and dirty.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Play on words. But anyway, uh so, I mean, yeah,
you got you got all these guys and and and
so when is it going to end? That's what they
Michael talked about. When is it gonna end? When is
it gonna end? The guys come and have great crews,
the Cowboys, but no team success. When is that going
to end?
Speaker 5 (36:49):
That's a great question, because they ain't in no time soon.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
So you have you have no hope.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
Well, the same guy said that, Michael Parsons after at
the end the season, said we're in for a couple
of difficult years, right.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
He said that at the end of the season, I.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Thought he said that stops now. I thought he said.
I just remember him saying when someone talked about this
point to make it by Zach, he said that stops now.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
After the last regular season game when they didn't make
the playoffs and finished seven and ten, he said, we're
in for a couple of difficulty and most we even
know that the Eagles are gonna go win the Super
Bowl in Washington.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
More recently in the NFC Championship game with.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Him more recently said that that stops now, and.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
He I think he's being more honest though at the
end of the year.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Like when, like when, when when when that said we
s something, this.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
Sucks, campaigning, campaigning for a new contract. Once the offseason starts.
In the moments after a devastating loss, that's when you
get the track.
Speaker 7 (37:42):
But anything from the best players on this team that
show that they can meet the moment, embrace it, and
succeed at that particular moment, if you compare it to
what the only thing we compared to the best Cowboys
teams we've seen. All of their stars were like, Oh,
it's the moment, let's go there. Their role players were like, oh,
it's the moment.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Let's go. But they had a coach that had put
it in sixcess headlines bego. I mean they also had
a coach except the tone.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
I mean, that's that's what we always get back to.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
System.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
McCary always talked about, Hey, we're going there, We're gonna win. Yeah,
but we're gonna go there.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
But but when they played San Francisco here, he was nervous.
He said they were nervous in the locker room. I mean,
so he didn't set that. That's the only thing that
only bothers me bad.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
And the Green Bay game, he said he didn't do
a good job of getting his quarterback comfortable early in
the game.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Yeah, man, So what did Nick Sirianni do then?
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Mat his players play? He got out the way you know,
he came. He was a play caller for a couple
of years. He got out the way.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
But you know, Jalen Hurts is a guy who you
say what you will to about him. In big games.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
He plays well, you know, except except in Alabama.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
It's not true. Against Clemson, he left the field. He
had to lead de Sean Watson went down there, won
the game.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
I'm talking about I'm talking about the what your game.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
I mean, I mean you know that the bench.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Did you just say they should get to Sean Watson
if they want.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
To meet at the bench.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
If we're to a college that's worse than your anthony
by Craig Morton, what is available? You won't got nothing here?
Who's you got?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
You got, said Craig more.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
Lan, I got what are you surprised to hear Jerry
basically say, man, we're a team that doesn't really have
a lot of great.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
That's what That's what struck me. He said, We don't
basically don't have any voice, no needs. You know, there's
no must haves, you know, and and and it's like
what do you but but but Stephen Jones two second,
lady said, we signed as a hitching. We got nobody
defensive tackle, you know. So that's why you know, you
got to take some time. Huh.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
Then he signed Anthony hitch defense tackles. You got hitches
on your mind?
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Osa, my bad? Yeah, you gotta hit to some of
my mine. But Stephen Jones said, the reason why we
signed Osen got him done because we have no but
no body's at the position, you know, So to sit
up here and say you have no voids, and Jerry
try to say, well, once we between our guys and
the draft, we're gonna feel you don't want to have
to go into the draft to feel voids. And and
that's the mistake. I just don't think that they're they're
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really going to go in the draft looking to feel voids. Okay,
you know at least that's that's not what you want.
You know, in the past with the Colvin's been success,
they fill needs in the draft, so draft Day they
can draft pure, they can draft the best player available.
And yeah, irrespective to a need.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
So Davante Adams is going to be released by the Jets,
So Jets are done with DeVante Adams And so that's
also been out there on social media.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Should the Cowboys go get him?
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Brandon cooks his and coming back here finding a number
two for CD Lamb ed thoughts.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
Oh, they definitely need to prioritize getting a number two receiver.
And the draft is not strong have receiver or so
it seems. Of course you only need one. You only
need one player to hit on. So we could happen.
But to illustrate how desperate they are at that position,
like ced Lamb didn't even finish the season, and he
was the only receiver who had a you know, one
hundred yard game last year. The Cowboys are one of
(41:12):
three teams that didn't have multiple players have one hundred
yard receiving games. Pittsburgh and Washington were the other two.
And so I think that reflects just how much they
need a receiver opposite Ceede Lamb for this offense to
operate effectively.
Speaker 7 (41:26):
Well, that's why Washington went and did what w got
Deebo Samuel. At least we've got a guy now who's
capable of doing that. You know, I would say, acquire
one and draft one. Now you give yourself a real
receiving group like they had a few years.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
Because Adam's that guy for you. I mean he could be.
Speaker 7 (41:44):
You know, any any of those receivers. You have to say,
what's your take on CD? Because CD is a guy
he's getting ten targets a game. You good with five
or six or seven? Because CD is getting ten is
not a That's a good point.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
I believe that. I guess everything says.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
I mean, I would want Devanta Adams, I want I
would want him of a Cooper Cup. I mean, I've
always said the cow like what thirty three.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Yeah, he's injuries injury, injury.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
You know. And I know DK Metcal is gonna want
to get paid. Obviously you have to pay Devanta Adams.
I don't know, he's already been paid, you know. Does
he need to get paid again?
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Yeah, those are guys that are on the trade. But
I'm Adams is free.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Adams.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Here's a free guy. You don't have to give up
anything from this guy. You can go.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Get Well, you got him, and you got the guy,
the little guy from Seattle Locket.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Who has a history with shot him history shot number
but back.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
Didn't Schottenheimer use him as a point of reference when
he was talking about Turpin's guys going down, smaller guys
going down?
Speaker 5 (42:41):
He did? He did you a hall of fame?
Speaker 17 (42:44):
He did?
Speaker 4 (42:45):
He did. My thing is I just think the cowboys
don't need a niche guy. And I would say a
smallsh receivers a niche guy, you know es But at
this point in his career, I mean he's older.
Speaker 6 (42:55):
I mean he's not Uh, he's already Brandon Cooks Huh
is interping, Why can't be there?
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Yeah, I mean I think they they need a big
guy to make then tested.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Catches a big ask guy. That's Davante.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
That's Devanta Adams to me, now, was that gonna calls?
They got all this capital and said what do you to.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Be interested in DeVante Adams?
Speaker 5 (43:17):
I would say, thank you, I appreciate, Yeah, I appreciate.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
I mean he was productive for the Jets.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
And I still draft the guy.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Is he gonna go play somewhere without Aaron Rodgers? I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
But where's Aaron Rodgers going?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
See that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
You have CD used to be to hang outside of
Brett Farmer's house and everything. You're not hanging outside of
Aaron Rodgers house.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
That's why I won't be around. Are Brett farv.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Guy outside of the car that you HiT's no clouds?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Facts?
Speaker 3 (43:49):
I mean that's not dirt, that's facts.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
It wasn't like I chose to go hang out outside
his house. I was a sign hang out side his
house and then Britain And.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Did you get the welfare money too?
Speaker 7 (44:04):
That's dirty work, right, that's it I was gonna say.
I wasn't gonna say nothing about the welfare money.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Has that been proven?
Speaker 5 (44:16):
You just needed to eat?
Speaker 2 (44:17):
He's been broken, I said, I said, has that been proved?
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Be got documents, we got we got the smoking gun.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
This is a good place to thank you.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
I think it's a horrendous place stand.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
I just you just gave him food stamp, cause I
would say this on one thing, one one before we end.
Now you're gonna get serious, now, yes, gets serious. That's
some possible that we're over our time after after Zach Martin.
Who's the next guy to go in the ring?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
About after Zach Martin? I think Witt is the next category.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
Okay, I'm talking about on the current team, my bad.
Speaker 5 (44:57):
Crickets.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
I mean I would say CD and and and Dak
are trending that way. Michael is trending that way.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
C d Lamb. At this point in time, I'm picking one.
I'm going with C.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
D Lamb over Michael.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Well because he's so much further into his career than Micah.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Michael got four four Pro Bowls, three first team I allprobed.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Okay, that's one of his clients.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
It's not a client boat. I'm just saying for no,
but I'm just saying three first team All pros. He
doing his numbers are tracking with Reggie White. That's all
I'm saying, okay, okay, right there, Yes, number, it's number
not tracking with Reggie White.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
Hey, hey, I'm just saying that CD's career is probably
gonna be over earlier and and he's going to accomplish
a lot, and so he might go.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Jerry also said last year he was putting Michaey in
at the at the Witch.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Okay, you sure he ain't going in. You're got michaeh.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Got pretty sure he's not going in?
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Yeah, okay, all right, most trusted, Thank you, thank you,
appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
Yes, Hall of Famer, thank you, appreciate you. The author.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
I'm waiting on that book to come out here looking
for another one, sir, Yes, sir, yes, sir, the author,
by the way book prime the Brian coach, pryme make
sure you if you haven't gotten it, can still.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Go get it. And he's still at Colorado.
Speaker 5 (46:16):
See as as you came on NBC five and toil.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
We tried to tell everybody coming to the cast they
don't want to hear, but you were right.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
All all good, all.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Good, I'm new in structs for Chris Beane, Jazz Josh,
everybody part here. Dallas Cowboys dot Com We will talk
to you next week right here on Dallas Cowboys dot com.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
Ready.
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