Mick Shots: 12-17-25

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
This is Mick Shot screaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
And the official Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are Bill Jones,
Heckma Harrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
It is a back to work Wednesday here inside the
SWBC podcast studio.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Some of us worked yesterday, some of us one of us.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
I'm not talking about you, Mickey, I'm talking about oh,
the Dallas Cowboy He's football. Oh okay, thank you if
you've forgotten about them, I thought you were talking about
no mix shots yesterday. Chargers Week is officially underway. Yes
it is, and uh we welcome you in here to
the s to BBC podcast studio for mix shots. Bill Jones,

(01:16):
Everson Walls, I'm gonna save Hecma for last, Mickey Spagnola,
and the star of our show today is Hec Harris.
What do I get?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Why do I get that? Because we missed you yes.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
This day Monday. We missed all of Monday yesterday while
Mickey was at the Salvation Army, Yeah, doing community service stuff.
But we really miss you HECMA.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Means, hey, man, you know you talk about a terrible,
no good, very bad Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
That was me.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Cowboys lose and then I have to go through what
I had to go through. So whatever, and I am here.
I didn't get the rundown, Bro, you didn't get the
rundown of what for the from the loss? You want
me to run down the loss?

Speaker 4 (01:58):
He didn't want to depress him off even further.

Speaker 6 (02:03):
It is depressing, though, it really is. And you weren't here.
You probably didn't have a chance to listen. But yeah,
we were kind of droning on.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Did you what y'all come up with? What y'all come
up with?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
I don't know, but he came in with his letter jacket.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, they don't stop.

Speaker 7 (02:18):
Yeah that's right.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
He thought he looked like mine from high school?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Is that right? You had the bigger collar on it didn't.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
It looks like it looks we had yellow sleeves. It
looks like we're the collegiate sleeves.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (02:30):
It looks like Mickey's from high school because it doesn't
have any patches.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
I had a letter, but you.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Got to put your whole state patcher. Like ever since
his letter jacket from high school. There were patches up
one sleep and down the other sleeve, right, Not true?

Speaker 7 (02:53):
Not true.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
I bet I had one more than he did.

Speaker 7 (02:55):
Now, I just had our district. That's all I got.
And we we were we were first.

Speaker 6 (03:01):
Year four A at the time, and we kind of sucked. Okay,
we kind of sell truth. We barely got little five hundred,
but have first year four A. We were, you know,
kind of proud of that. But you know, but at
the time was a very new high school. I think
it was only five years old at the time, so yeah,

(03:22):
you you know.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
And only one team back then, only one team from
each district made playoffs. The district champion made the playoffs.
Now there's four from each district.

Speaker 7 (03:33):
Trying to figure out who won.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
I believe it was Richardson that won in nineteen seventy six,
seventy six?

Speaker 7 (03:44):
Why'd you have to repeat that?

Speaker 8 (03:46):
Now?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Just I was just thinking myself, what are you thinking making?

Speaker 7 (03:49):
What were you thinking? Taking your head?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
What is that?

Speaker 7 (03:52):
Just like seventy six existed?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I know now, I know, now, I know you.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
I'm stinking you in high school in seventy six. That's
with a big at road.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
That's all Goode, which is something that you probably can
relate to me.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
See, not at the current not at the current day.
But hey, don't you worry. I had my Reggie Jackson.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
You know that you had an Oscar gamble, had an
Oscar Gamble afro.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
I had a Michael Jackson afro. Okay, yeah, I had
a Silvers afro. You don't know about the Silvers. Yeah,
I had a Silver's afro.

Speaker 7 (04:22):
Okay, that's seventy six, mackey.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
You did have a patch in your letter jacket.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
I had a seventy one for playing for the district
tennis championship.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Go ahead, all right, go ahead, a little back and row.
You played?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
You played, uh not all the time, but yes, did so.
You contributed to singles.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Okay, that's good.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Not in the district tournament.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
No, that's okay. Okay, So you got them there.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I got, I helped.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
He's not I got bragging at all.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Probably got participation.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
I was on participation patch.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
Now you know why I didn't get your joey.

Speaker 7 (05:06):
You guys have all these opportunities.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
And by seventy five I did have an afro underneath
my graduate. I bet you I have to bring it in.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
You know, the Italians got to come with it, man, Italians,
come with it.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Man.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
What did he say?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Okay, all right, well all right, we got all that
of welcome back, welcome back.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
He diverted attention away from the elephant in the room,
which is your.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Dallas cowboys are back to work today.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
They are back to work today.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
It looks like they're going after Supreme, back to work
even it's been raining or foggy or whatever.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Was that right?

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Created heavy missed and missed out.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
There, producer Supreme, by the way, uh is, his attention
is diverted to at and T Stadium. Right now, we're
first of twelve state championship games.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
I want to help you guys out with something.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Yes, I'm amongst the AARP crowd.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I want seventy one seventy six. I just I didn't.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
You'll get that raise, no.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
No doubt, no doubt. I'm on my way. Guys.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
If your insurance has a little thing down at the
bottom that says, you know, in case, you know, if
you need a rental car and a lot of people
would select the lowest amount you possibly can, let me tell.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
You don't do that to yourself.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
Okay, don't do that all right, select fifty been fifty
dollars seventy five dollars gold to maximum right as much
as you possibly can, because I'm telling you, the rental
car that they gave me is a jacket with a
radio in it. I would have been better just putting

(06:57):
my feet through the floorboard and pedaling here and Barney, yeah,
this is horrible. I mean, I just I don't want
to take the show off the rails. I'm just telling
you what they showed up with. I said, there's no way,
there is absolutely no way. I'm right, did you fit? No,
I don't. I'm in it, but you know, I'm I'm

(07:17):
I'm pushed. I'm it's it's so bad, guys, it's so bad,
you know. And I drive a pretty big car. So
going from what I am in now to what I Yeah,
that's so you have pedals or it should it should
have a sale on the back of it. I should
have sailed here. It's terrible, It is horrible. Don't do
that to yourself.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
That's some good life advice right here.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
So for everybody, don't youself.

Speaker 7 (07:41):
That's good advice.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
All right, let's get the show the road. I'm I'm
sorry for.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
Real, tell you that we did kind of want to
have a hint of just what you went through.

Speaker 7 (07:50):
And I think that kind of told us there.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
It was in an accident on Monday, Man, of all
god forsaken things that have happened to me, I told her.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I called him.

Speaker 7 (08:00):
I said, you know, if you were a better athlete,
you could have avoided it was.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
No avoiding this was how does somebody call you to
send some Hey are you okay? And then I tell him, like, well,
if you was a better athlete, like ever said? Man,
The last thing I want to hear right now is
I sit here fuming over this accident. It's my reaction.
Time should have been better than I tell you. You are
not the person to call for empathy. I knew that

(08:25):
you already over it. Okay, that's what it was, and
now we have Thank you.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Sometimes it's beyond your control.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Tight, Thank god. I'm good. I'm all right. Yeah. The
only thing wrong with me right now is my Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Somebody please tell me what we're gonna do with our
defensive coordinator, because did you did.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Y'all talk about that? Is that okay?

Speaker 7 (08:48):
Like that isn't that item number one?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Well, so that was that was the biggest.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Problem the defense.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
No, you said the coordinator, but one of the biggest
I think, know, what I really want to talk about
is what Jerry said about the coordinator?

Speaker 2 (09:06):
What five three?

Speaker 5 (09:07):
So what I believe or anybody else believed what the
owner in general manager believes about his defensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Well, he didn't say. He just said, we got three
more games to judge.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
So interpreting Jerry, that is what Mickey, you've known.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
The loan as in given up on the season winning games, Okay,
And I think that was part of that discussion, wasn't it,
Because they were asking him would he rather have a
better draft choice or play to win games? And he said,
we're playing to win. And then he said, when that
question came up, he said, we've still got three games too,

(09:46):
what questions about if the defensive coordinator needed to be
replaced for the fourth time in four years.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
So, well, the fact that he said that that, yeah, yeah,
that means that the verdict is still out and to
me that doesn't old well necessarily, I wouldn't call that
a voter confidence.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
So basically, then what you're saying is we got all
we need on defense. We just need somebody to coordinate
it better.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
No, that's not what that's I would say. I wish
I would say. I expected us to continue to improve.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Right, and they were. We didn't until the last two games.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Right.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Well, that ain't continuation. That's that's just right, that's that's
not continuation.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
But they played to they played to what playoff quality.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
Teams, not not not last week. No, no, I wouldn't
call it.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
No, no, I didn't mean that. I meant two teams
that were pretty good. Lash I should.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
Okay, I understand that. But having having said that, when
you're going for this uh crusade, I guess you might
call it that they were on trying to you know,
we're trying to win out, at least close to winning out.
It's just kind of tough to see that your defense
started to revert back to the same things that we

(11:07):
had issues with in the beginning of the season.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
I thought the most poignant point he made was we
seemed to allow these quarterbacks to have their best game
of the year. Basically is what he said.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Ouch and ouch so to you, to you, and.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Those were career highs for JJ.

Speaker 7 (11:29):
McCarthy.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Was so all last week when we were talking about
JJ McCarthy, we were talking about some of the errors
that he has been making, that he hadn't had his
best year. Obviously with the injuries and all of that,
they have been having a down season. That wasn't the
version of JJ McCarthy that we expected. That showed up
on Sunday night.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
He got I was going to say healthy. His stats
got healthy right career highs.

Speaker 7 (11:57):
And let's just be real.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
When you look at our defensive performers throughout the year,
we seem to always elevate some offensive player. Now we
seem to help this offense improve and everything that they're
trying to do, and the next week they go right
back to who they are. So for us to rejuvenate
these opposing teams coming in here, I thought we were

(12:23):
done with that at the beginning of the season. Then
when we got these serious players, serious players that we
have on this team, and yes some of them came
you know, you weren't necessarily picking them at the beginning
of the season, but they're here now.

Speaker 7 (12:35):
They are veterans.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
They are guys that you depend on not to make
the mistakes that you make, and now those mistakes are
continuing to be made. The opposition wasn't proving. Yes we
know about Jones, Yes we knew about you know, the
wide receivers that they had in Minnesota. But it's like

(12:57):
Nate Newton said one time, we have so many excuses
on this team, and that's not the cowboy way.

Speaker 7 (13:06):
We don't.

Speaker 6 (13:07):
We might pull on the finger of a player or two,
but we won't say you week in and week out
that man, if we only had this so well, it
was just because of that guy. They've got rookies too.
You know, they've got young players as well. I remember
going against Detroit man. We were eating this due to
Live number four I think his name was Reed. We're
eating this due to Live and at the end of

(13:30):
the game, what does he do?

Speaker 7 (13:31):
He makes a play. Weird play.

Speaker 6 (13:34):
It was a weird play, had something to do with
us not catching the ball. But eventually you gotta hold
these young kids accountable to being professional football players. And
you know, I hate bringing up myself, so I'll go
this way. Cliff Harris, Michael Downs. You know all these

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players that no one expected anything from, but yet.

Speaker 7 (13:58):
They surprise you.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
They came out and they played their asses off right,
They played above their heads come to find out. No,
that's not above their heads. That's the quality of players
that they work. We got to find some of those
guys and if we have them, which I think we
do out there, then some kind of way we have
to help them tap into their greatness. And right now
they haven't been tapping into greatness. It's just been you're

(14:23):
just playing like a rookie period. I want to see
the other part of that because I know there are
better players than that. That's kind of that's why I
keep thinking with that potential, what is the positive outcome?

Speaker 7 (14:35):
I want to see that positive outcome.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Are you talking about guys on the defensive front that
can't get to the quarterback?

Speaker 6 (14:42):
I am okay, I'm talking about second, I'm talking about
the linebackers. I'm talking about all of that. Why can't
we get there? I mean, you know, is it the system?
Those players were successful before they got here. So I'm
just looking forward with when we can finally jail consistently.

(15:04):
I don't mean just in a stretch, because that was
a nice stretch that we had, but now here it
is okay.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
Now my hope, my hopes are lifted, and now they're
not anymore.

Speaker 6 (15:14):
So that's just a frustration speaking as a fan, not
as a former player.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
All right, love, So if you had to first possession position,
you have to add on defense?

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, for next year? What is it? Linebacker? Okay?

Speaker 6 (15:33):
Yeah, because because we're not stopping to run?

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Okay, is it the system or the personnel you're putting?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I don't know, personnel? Right, personnel?

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Did you see the play on the goal line?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (15:46):
Man, Yeah, I mean personnel. I mean make make it
point taking? Yeah, point taking and and legitimately to me,
when I look at the hire of ebra Flus, ebra
Flues took this job probably thinking that he was going
to be coaching one of the most dynamic defensive edge
rushers in the league, and then the whole trade thing happens.

(16:07):
All right, Now, you bring in Quinn Williams, you fix
some of those errors, but they're still blaring errors at
the linebacker position on the back half, and you see
them play out like a guy like Jalen Naylor, right
that basically the third wide receiver for most third wide
receivers go even go back to Detroit, right there, guys

(16:28):
are finding ways on those third and loans. Second, whatever
it is, our defense can't get off the field, because
guys like that are being possession receivers. Whether we're playing zone,
whether we're playing man, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
We're still being victimized.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
And even when you fix things like you're getting pressured
with Jadavian Clowney as a rock cool guys are getting home,
they're still like these times where you're looking at our
defense and like, man, these guys are still getting pushed out.
And I don't want to put it all on Ibra
Flus because I think at the end of the day,
it's going to come down to a defensive coordinator that

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has his players are the kind of players that could
fit his system. And too often people are saying, well,
that's not an Evira Flus type guy, or this or that.
But you're looking at Brian Floores playing with older players,
and how good are they in his system? They playing
pretty damn well. And you could say, you know, simplify

(17:24):
the system to at least allow these guys to play
with some semblance of athletic ability. You just this sample
size of this season hasn't permitted for any of these
guys to shine. And we get little bits here and there,
whether it's as a rock o whether, but it's not
on a consistent basis and personnel wise, I'm with you.

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Linebackers are absolutely needed safeties. I mean, these are just
positions where you just have to get better. You have
to be better because when we need it, like you said,
hope is lifted, we need it.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
And it's dashed.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
How many times did they touch JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 7 (18:05):
Probably not much at all, Probably not much at all.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
One time they had one quarterback hit.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
That was it. They didn't. Yeah, they didn't.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
No sacks, that's what I mean. Yeah, if you sacked them,
you hit them.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
Detroit was pretty much the same.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
One quarterback hit. So you can talk about the linebackers,
you can talk about the young dbs. You got veterans
playing defensive end. One one quarterback hit, So to me,
defensive ends pretty damn important to refurbish. Now, I understand

(18:43):
you got rid of one of the best in the
league when you made the trade for basically three guys,
and I understood that. But Dante Fowler, Yeah, Sam Williams,
I mean, as a rock, who's probably the best complete

(19:03):
defensive end they got going now, and.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
He's still learning on the job.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Right, he's a rookie. So but who else, who else
is rushing the quarterback or playing the run at the
defensive end spot.

Speaker 7 (19:18):
I'm just trying to figure out what combination is to take.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
There is there some sort of system to get guys
on the edge to get to the quarterback. I don't
care if you're playing man or zone. Those guys up front,
it's pretty simple. There's the quarterback.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
I lived off of them, trust me, I know I
lived off of them. I know this my entire career.
You can count my interceptions based on my defensive line.
The better the better my team, the better my numbers were,
the better my defensive line was.

Speaker 7 (19:48):
And so I understand that.

Speaker 6 (19:50):
But those teams, those front those fronts, they had a
solid team. They had solid personnel that knew each other
very well. We've got to find a combination that's gonna
work for us. You bring a guy like Clark in,
you bring a guy like Williams in.

Speaker 7 (20:10):
You know, you would think that that would improve.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Everything, but it should help the outside guys.

Speaker 6 (20:14):
It definitely improved for a minute, and then you expect
you expect them also to get a little bit pressure
in the middle, which we were doing against good teams
right against two Super Bowl teams. But then you have
a Carolina, which yes, I know, Carolina.

Speaker 7 (20:33):
Hey that better than we thought.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
Yeah that's good. That better than we thought. But we
can't we gonna want them to be better than us. Okay,
you're looking at you know, going against even Detroit. You
know it's gonna be a tough game, but for you
not to hardly touch golf at all, you know, and
then you're at home here and you don't even touch
the quarterback, a young man who was having an issue,

(20:54):
who's having issues.

Speaker 7 (20:55):
All season long. Yeah, so I get it. We got
have this, We got to have that.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
But there's a pattern here to where everyone that comes
in has their career best.

Speaker 7 (21:10):
That's weird.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
And then you're not eating that's different drawing up pressure.
You you're not drawing up the pressure. You're not sending
a blitz. So that's the head scratcher. I mean, those
those things to me, but often I mean, look, and
I'm sure you gots cover this on Monday offensively when
you're not at your best. We were talking about Savone
revel and some of the things that some of the
things in ways that you can help him. You're running

(21:33):
game being much improved and having those loans, long sustaining drives.
We didn't have a lot of that either, And so
when drives in, you give up poor field position that
they're not the steel curtain, they're not the doomsday defense.
So you're giving up what drives that started from the
forty three forty seven, you know, So you did put
your defense in a tough position as well.

Speaker 6 (21:54):
So I just want to I'm like this, and I
was thinking the same thing in Detroit. Those ugly games,
we gotta win them, you know. We we we've gotten
this reputation of being front runners, beating Philly, beating Kansas City.
We went away from that a little bit, but you know,

(22:14):
when it comes down to it, you know, we gotta
stop disappointing ourselves.

Speaker 7 (22:18):
We gotta stop raising these hopes.

Speaker 6 (22:20):
And then all of a sudden, the inconsistency comes, and
it comes in waves because we've seen it before.

Speaker 7 (22:29):
This is going back to two years ago.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
Can't stop the run or the past, can't get it
bother out on either third down if they have a
third down, and we surely don't stop them on fourth down.
That's been the pattern for this defense as of late.
Just when we need them to be a whole lot better.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
They actually did pretty good on third down.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
Yeah no, but it's the fourth door exactly. So it's just.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
Those are the things that if you're going to talk
about a team improving here, it's got to come from somewhere.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:01):
Yeah, in here we can pour fingers, but when it's
all said and done, you gotta have someone that can
right this ship. And I thought it would come from
a coach. I thought it would come from a coach.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
So basically, what you're saying, they're row for three on
defensive coordinators.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Man, I guess so that's what.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Because they couldn't stop the run dan Quinn's last.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
Year, Yeah, trust me, right, Yeah, that's two years ago.
That's what I'm looking at too. That was ugly.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
That is what I saw.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
I saw doing that stretch of Philly Well Raiders, Philly
Kansas City. I saw a whole different team. I thought,
then all of a sudden, we revert right back.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
To it, right.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
I saw us getting away from that dan Quinn team.
I saw the Green Bay game, the teams that were
you know, we were tougher, we were not front runners.
Right now we're right back to where we were, and
you got an offensive system here that is amazing. But

(24:04):
at the same time, you gotta have a defense that
you can depend on, and we just don't have it.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
No, they don't. So now the question is what do
you do? Like who's next? Who's next as the defensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
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Speaker 4 (27:09):
All right, we continue with mixed shots on this back
to work Wednesday. Oh dirt, we're gonna have the it's
also a goat it is, yeah, segment right here, the
greatest of all time. And by the way, as we

(27:31):
segue into that here eventually, how great was it, Mickey
to see the Dirty Dozen back.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
On Yeah, that was Sunday, that was Funday.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
We weren't able to get to that on Monday, right.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Run into those days on the sideline before the game, guys, guys, Yeah,
and uh yeah, it was pretty cool. I don't think
I've seen And I didn't get a chance to say
hi to Pat Donovan because I talked to him on
the phone for for that very story several years back.

(28:03):
And I remember he told me when I introduced myself
and told him what I was doing, he goes, well,
how'd you find me out here so far in the West.
I didn't think anybody remembered me just like that, right,
I didn't get a chance to say hi. But it
was good to see Bruni and Randy.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
White and.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Hollywood. Yeah, and those guys were enjoying it. That was
the neat thing to see them enjoy it. The guy's
coming back, laid Law, the offensive lineman, Burton Lalla Lallace,
who was in a wheelchair. But yeah, it was pretty.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Cool to see them.

Speaker 7 (28:43):
How was how was Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Hollywood talking of? He didn't run from a microphone. I
think they had him on the pregame show. I thought
I saw him walking over there. So yeah, it was
pretty cool.

Speaker 7 (28:56):
You can't beat it now, Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Anderson was the best, and he'll tell you that as
he should.

Speaker 7 (29:03):
He's right, see you, Langston Universe, as he should, that's right.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
And one of the greatest draft classes ever. Yep, that's
why they called him the Dirty Dozen. Of course, you
had a lot more rounds of the draft then as
what you have now. But there were the Dirty dozen,
twelve of them rookies on that nineteen seventy five team.
And is Randy White very quick to point out three

(29:28):
Super Bowls in the span of four years, Yep, when
they came into the lague.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
And I'm sure you guys remember the movie right North
Dallas forty No, the Dirty Does Dirty Doesen.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Oh yeah, it's that country western.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
You know you got me, oh country Western?

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
So, by the way, one of the stars and it
was Jim Brown.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
Hey, by the way, the one, the one I like
is the Probably the best play that personified how exciting
that rookie class was was the end of round on
the kickoff by Hollywood Henderson having that kind of talent
on that linebacker.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
I mean the end of his what was more than
a hundred yard run because it was just slam dunket
over the gold post.

Speaker 7 (30:26):
He's something else.

Speaker 6 (30:27):
We had a man, what what an athletic class that
they had.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
I think he was at Langston Universe.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
Langston University, Boston, Grambling.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
In our discussion smaller than.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Langston, Oklahoma.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Stand up, those of HBC you love out here worse
than us?

Speaker 4 (30:51):
How did Switzer miss on him? And he was at
Langston and down the road.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
There was no transfer.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
Swiss was from Texas. They recruited in Texas. They don't
recruit in Oklahoma. That's the way. Oklahoma.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Well, I mean, how many how many.

Speaker 7 (31:07):
Oklahoma players played for Universus Oklahoma back.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Of the only one there was Steve Davis, the licensed
Baptist preacher from Salasar.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
Everybody else coming from Dallas. They come from Texas. The brothers.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
J C.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Wats you great?

Speaker 7 (31:22):
JC?

Speaker 2 (31:23):
All right?

Speaker 4 (31:25):
But speaking a dirty dozen draft classes, that's in our
discussion about the Dallas defense from the last segment and
the coordinator and so forth. The Cowboys could use a
dirty dozen draft on defense? How about that?

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Probably all of them?

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Right?

Speaker 7 (31:40):
How many one drafted?

Speaker 2 (31:42):
None of them? I think?

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Did you say one one guy?

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Because Hegman didn't play that rookie year. He was one
of the draft choices, but he for some reason I
can't remember now, he was ineligible. But there was an
undrafted guy that they.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Still get bogged down in it. I can look it up.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
But no Woolsley got drafted.

Speaker 7 (32:04):
Maybe him, you got me, I don't you got on.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
I would have to look at it. My point to
bring that up was not to continue the conversation about
the dirty dozen for nineteen seventy five. And it's a
potentel dirty dozen draft for this year to help this defense.
And if you look at this defense as a whole
what position group? Okay, if you were talking specific position

(32:32):
groups are short up enough that you can go in
to next year and feel good about it, And I
would say that defensive tackle group, and as it has
been short up in the last three months to where
you feel really good about the defensive tackle group, but
every other group, from the defensive ends to the corners,
to the linebackers to the safeties, you can use big

(32:55):
time help in all all of those spots.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
You can lock.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
You can lock the door in one room and don't
let none of those guys out, but everybody else's room
the door. You're taking those doors off the hinges. Basically
they said it's wide opening there.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah, okay, yeah, well, I mean it's pretty obvious.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
I think defensive end next, and then a middle linebacker
because you're not canning over shown right right. I think
Shamar James has something probably wasn't ready at twenty one
years old to play.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
And I'm not saying just about a draft class. I'm
talking about free agency.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Bring him a free agency yeah, because some of these guys,
you know, you got to grow.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
You hope at cornerback that the third round pick is
going to grow into a reliable starting cornerback in this league.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
And I think he will, but you're going to need
one more.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
You still need another way even if he.

Speaker 7 (33:56):
I don't think we need corners as much as we
need safeties.

Speaker 6 (34:00):
And I'm probably wrong about that, but that's what I
see if I was going to prioritize, I want the safeties.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
But how how much does this team this year miss
Jordan Lewis oh Man?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (34:16):
Yes, shot to the heart to go, especially in those
situations where I think this year what has shown me
is that the run bland is your nickel corner, and
you need to find another guy to be on the
outside if you're not going to stay the course with
certain players.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Right, So I don't want to say their name.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Why not just you don't want to go do that.

Speaker 6 (34:41):
I don't want to do that, all right? So I
like Casson, I really do. I like Causton and and
and Raves Reavers.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I really.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Got an island named after him. And that was you
know the thing about Savonne revel and that's we only
have have so much of a uh sample of what
he's done. It hadn't been all bad, it hadn't been
all bad, but it hadn't been all good either. Some
of these growing pains that he's having. We probably would
have seen those play out in the preseason had he

(35:13):
played any preseason games, But we would have seen a
lot of it play out earlier in the season. Unfortunately,
it's just happening now. Happening now at the end of
the season times that you needed the most. And I
didn't think that the last game was his worst game,
but you know, it's been some things there that obviously
you can underline and say that's not good.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
But but you know you're gonna Every team has these
kind of wives, absolutely that you have to be ready for.
Every team has to have that, so you know, whatever
the matchup comes, you got to win your share.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
They shut down justin Jefferson, right.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
But then, yeah, okay, so you were in the you
were in the stadium, so you saw a lot of
times where JJ McCarthy, as much as you're giving him praise,
oh dog.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
He missed.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
It's terrible. He missed accuracy.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Oh man, Justin jeff he is probably in Minnesota right
now telling everybody in the front office like, if y'all
give me another quarterback, I mean, because he missed on
a lot of throws, and so you know, it's just safety.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Though I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Safety has to say and they've never placed a high
priority from a draft standpoint or a salary cap standpoint
on that.

Speaker 7 (36:26):
Position safety safety. Well, that's an extremely important position.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Well, I mean, I understand you're looking at.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
The One thing I've noticed about football is always down
the middle of the offense. You got your fullback was
extremely important, your quarterback is extremely important, center's extremely important,
your middle lineback extremely important, and your safety is extremely important.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
Down the middle.

Speaker 6 (36:48):
You split it down the middle, and those are the
key people in regards to communication and intellect on the team.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Well, I think the communication has been good making plays. Well,
they tipped a pass for an interception.

Speaker 7 (37:03):
Yes, but think about sixty plays.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
If you look at the tackle chart, usually your safeties
at the top. Uh Over Hooker was second with six tackles.
But the problem is third and fourth were cornerbacks, which
means either you're relying on them to support the run,

(37:26):
or they're getting beat and making tackles.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Or they're making tackles after catches.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yes, that's what I meant, get a beat.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Yeah, how different would this defense look if you had
a twenty twenty one or twenty two version of Trayvon
Diggs playing cornerback.

Speaker 7 (37:40):
Yeah, that would be totally different.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Does he play, say what?

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yes, he plays.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
He's running out of time Saturday. They got to make
a move, Yeah, and make a move or stay the course.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
That's tough, man.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
I mean, look after whatever what's going on, and you know,
whatever's happened to him, the reason why they're making the
decision to shove him when he's healthy. Yeah, Look, if
it doesn't, it would not surprise me after him being
a healthy scratch on Sunday, that he doesn't play for
the rest of the season, that may not ever play

(38:19):
now again.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
And the Dallas Cowboys, by the way, I did take
the time to look at his salary implications to if
he doesn't play next year, is base salaries fourteen point
five million. The guarantees on his base salaries have expired.

(38:44):
So if you chose to move on, if you get
make him a June one cut, then the dead money's
two point nine four next year and two point nine
four the year after.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's manageable.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
If that's what your decision is, that the salary cap
wouldn't hold you up. Now, if you trade them, then
it's five point eight million, idiotly Okay, well, but somebody's
got to not only accept him, but accept his sound,

(39:24):
which is fourteen point five million next year, and then
I think the next year goes up after that. So anyway, yeah,
no guarantees other than having to account for his pro
rated signing bonus over those last two years.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
So, guys, instead of needing a dirty dozen style of
a draft class, why do I go for a rat
pack kind of? You know who the rat pack is? Yes,
come on now name them?

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Name them? Who's the rat Pack?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Junior, Frank Snatch, Okay, and don't
either and Peter, Peter.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
You're right.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
I got three?

Speaker 5 (40:05):
Yeah, I like that. You like that, So get rat pack.
So we got four guys, three and a half, three
and a half. Three and a half guys may fix
it all for you. And we're going linebacker, we're going
safety and in an edge rusher.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Okay, right, that would be my priority.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
So you can get that via free agency and you
can get it in the draft. So priority number one,
the rat Pack, that's the new name. Come on, get
your paper ready, right now, get it ready. Go ahead,
start it, get it read get the rat Pack.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
That's what we go call them, the rat Pack.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Okay, we've spent so much time talking about the rat
Pack and the Dirty Dozen and all that, you know that.
Come on, No, I love it, I love it. But
what we're gonna have to do now is give us
a tease for the goat. Okay, so the we're going
to do the goat in the last second.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Okay, figuring the rat pack at something to do with
the goat.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
No, no, it didn't, No, nothing at all, nothing at all.
So because we're getting down to the end of this thing,
and you know, I was expecting this to be extended
through the postseason because auto back, let's seemed assumed that
we would do playoff football. But you know, I'm just
saying I want you guys to go one in two
because there are there are positions for the Dallas Cowboys
that players are just locked in. So I want to

(41:23):
know who's your number one, who's your number two. I'm
just going to go over three different position groups. Name
this player one, named the other one two.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Okay, all right, do that with mix. Continue, Let's go.

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Speaker 2 (44:04):
That's cold man, You know what you know?

Speaker 5 (44:07):
My kids aged out of the Cowboys Kids Christmas Party,
and the pandemic took it away.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Right.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
It came back this year and I'm sick about it.
I'm seeing pictures and I'm sick about it.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Man.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
We every year we got our picture with Santa, and
I've been robbed. I've aged out of the program. It happens.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
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a party.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Hey, watch yourself.

Speaker 7 (44:33):
I'm just telling.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
All right.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
So the goat, let's get the go experience. Let's get
the goat talk going on.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
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Speaker 5 (44:44):
Okay, write it down, Okay, Christmas story picture. All right,
So guys, let's go. Let's do this. So I said
one or two. You got to say one or two,
And I'm gonna go with Troy Aikman, Roger Starbuck, Roger Starbuck,
that's that's number. That's the first, okay, j J. Novacheck,
Jason Whitten. Okay, I'm going Tackles. I'm going Eric Williams

(45:07):
in the Big Cat.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
And you gotta tell me who's your goat, Cliff Harris,
Darren Woodson, damn.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Okay, all right, we got another voter.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
My mom asked, She said, does Nate just walk in
on yall's podcast whatever he wants to?

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Is that?

Speaker 7 (45:31):
Whoa hey?

Speaker 10 (45:32):
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Speaker 3 (45:46):
Shack and gazam.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
All. Okay, well, right one in too, who's your number one?
Who's your number two.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
We start at Troy and Roger Roger won Okay, Uh,
I'll go Roger.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
They both put the Cowboys on the map. I'll go
with the most recent one, Troy.

Speaker 7 (46:09):
Nate, Troy versus Troy versus that's true.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Okay, all right, that's all right.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
So let's go.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
Let's go tight ends, j J and Jason. Who's number one?
Who's number two? Whos number one for you?

Speaker 7 (46:21):
A man?

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Jay? And who Jay Saldy numbers with.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
Jason Jason whitten with That's tough one. I gotta go
with w and just because of the numbers.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
But wow, okay, wow, options, j.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Would you say?

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Options?

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Why?

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Options?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (46:45):
So Eric Williams and the big Cat Hall of Famer
Big Field Cat, big Cat.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
That's the hardest big Cat.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
I mean if Eric who was able to play longer? Yeah, Eric,
Rightfield longevity cat Cat?

Speaker 7 (47:02):
All right?

Speaker 5 (47:03):
Last one Captain crash Woodson Cliff Harris. No, I'm just saying,
I mean, come on, one, two, let's go.

Speaker 7 (47:15):
All right, that's tough.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
That is tough. Answer the questions.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
We didn't all get to see.

Speaker 7 (47:26):
Nobody want to hear.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
No excuses, man, something.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
You go what watch the Okay, that's I'll take.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
I take Darren woods all right, there it is. Hey, man,
I'm just trying to get myself the current times. Who
would I take? I went Troy, I went Jay, I
went uh Eric, and uh I'm going uh Darren Woodson.

Speaker 7 (47:56):
So you're going with your generation generation.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
Witing more current than Jane Novicheck.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
So there you go. There is who's your goat. I'm
just trying to get.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
They'll go seventy one on me, they'll go sixty nine,
they go seventy six, you know, and I'm just standing over.
I'm gonna get a coloring book. Maybe you've got a
color too many.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
We got eighty three over here.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
There you go eighty three. Just walk through the door.
Let's go. We need to do it.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Naden, priscoe Versus and Everson.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
No, don't Goday, don't put me a name.

Speaker 7 (48:30):
Please, don't do that.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I like, I don't do that. I would be like,
you're not gonna come on, man, you gotta participate. All right.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
I think we're out of time. We're pasted out a
time and a producer supreme. We have a winner in
the first state championship Game of the week. Is that right?

Speaker 8 (48:48):
Not yet?

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Well, the mercy rule is about one touchdown away.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Right now.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
What's the score right now?

Speaker 7 (48:54):
They're in a break.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
I think it's fifty five to twenty two.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Fifty five to twenty two. They got the Cowboys defense
out there playing.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yes, six man, it's only eighty yard field, so there's
only there's only twelve guys on the field total. Speaking
of winning tomorrow, do you want to win or do
you want a draft choice?

Speaker 7 (49:17):
Hey man, we got problems.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Someone else want to come in, Brad Sham, I got
something to say.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Question again, I got distracted.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Do you want to win the last three? Or do
you want a better draft?

Speaker 8 (49:31):
Choe?

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (49:33):
Tomorrow?

Speaker 4 (49:34):
All right toorrow? On mixed shots.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Wow.

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