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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Good afternoon, Cowboy Nation, and welcome to the Taj Mahal
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I'm Heck Maharrison alongside the Super Bowl champion Everson Walls
and Mickey spag Nola. Guys, before I get started with
this show, I wanted to make sure that I opened
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the floor.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
On yesterday. The Dallas Cowboys had a tremendous loss.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
D D.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Lewis died yesterday.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
And I know you guys know him well, So Mickey,
I wanted to start with you.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Any remarks about the man you know well.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
I wasn't here when he was playing. I guess you
got one year in with him before he retired. I
got to know him a little bit through bumping into
him interviews later on. As a matter of fact, he
went to Mississippi State and when I was working in Jackson, Mississippi.
One of my good friends had followed his career there,
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so I heard a lot of DeeDee Lewis stories through
him after I got the job here. But you know,
we see all the stats about him and everything, and
that's all fine and good and we'll get into that.
But he was sort of a jokester, and he was
just this gregarious guy right that played football. And I remember, man,
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it might have been ten years ago, I don't know,
we were doing an interview and I.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Was talking about the off season.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I asked him if he had a part time job,
because a lot of those guys back then needed to
do it, because yeah, they were getting to supplement their income, right,
And he goes, no, No, I didn't have it. I said, so,
what what did you do in the off season to
prepare for training camp?
Speaker 6 (02:16):
D D goes, I got in the pool every day
and did sixteen.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Ounce curls that fell flat when I did it on
the fan here.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
But he was talking about cans of beer.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
He said, oh, he was lifting one powder. I'm going
come on, give me a break. And that was that.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Was That was D. D.
Speaker 7 (02:42):
Lewis, Right with D d D was a long standing
relic from a defense that no one wants to hear
about right now, and that's the Tom Landry flex defense,
a very unique defense in said Tom Landry came up
with because Jim Brown was running all over the entire NFL.
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I think it may have been the NFC at the time.
I don't think they Cleveland was yeah, yeah, it wasn't
the NFL yet, you know, that's when they had the
AFL NFL, and Jim Brown was so tough. Tom Landry,
being the genius that he was, came up with a
defense where I can't remember the middle linebacker's name, but
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whoever that middle linebacker was for the Cowboys, they wanted
to make sure that he met Jim Brown in the hole.
Just as if you're blocking for a running back. So
just like the running back and find the hole the line.
The middle linebacker is going to find that hole whatever
Jim Brown or any good running back is going to
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try and crease that hole. And so here comes Tom
Landry with this unorthodox, very awkward looking defense that was
able to be somewhat effective. Again all running backs, Well,
the bottom the other side of that is your cornerbacks
are going to be left out to dry. Guys, sorry
about that, and your free safety is going to be
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part of the force of the running game. And D.
D Lewis was one of those linebackers that you looked
at him, you said, you know, he doesn't look at
impressive physically, but he knew the flex defense. Back and forth,
young guys come in here. We got the guy from
from Boston College. Can't say his name, but he's you know,
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aa acc ac acc sorry, defensive player of the year.
He would come in and have all these accolades, and
he looked good. And D D with his with his
twelve ounce curls, He's gonna come in and take that
job because I don't care how athletic you are. You
didn't need athleticism necessarily to be a good linebacker in
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the flex defense. That's why when Thomas Henderson came, he
had the leticism and the knowledge of the flex defense.
That's what made me so good. That's one of the
reasons the Cowboys made the playoffs a super Bowl against
the Pittsburgh Steelers. All I'm saying is D. D. Lewis
is a long standing out out. To call him a
relic is no disrespect. He was part of a defense
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that no one is going to try and run anymore
because of the stress that it puts on your secondary.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
But d D.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
Lewis fought off many wonderful linebackers. It was a Brown
from Houston. He's a fast linebacker from Houston, and he
comes in here. He can't play the flex, so d
D just comes Sasha in back in DD is your
job again. So he hung on because he had the
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intellect to play the defense that Tom Landry invented himself.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I don't think people realize he played thirteen years and
I saw all the stats about you know, how many
playoff games he played in, and I thought the most
impressive one was he started one hundred and thirty five
consecutive games, and back then that was a difficult thing
to do.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
And I know he's not in the Ring of Honor,
guybre guyb.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yeah, but he did get selected to the College Football
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
He was the SEC Player.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Of the Year that his last year, right Player of
the Year in defense, and then the Mississippi Sports Hall
of Fame too.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Well, like once again, Tom Landry. Tom Landry doesn't like
playing with dumb asses. It just doesn't. And that's why D. D.
Lewis was able to play as long as he did,
because you had to as a linebacker, you had to
play with your intellect with the flex defense, that's just
all of this to it. You not only had to
be had to play an awkward technique that no one
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else was playing, but you also had to understand how
it worked and how it works for you and for
the defense as a whole.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Could you imagine him going through life being named Dwight Douglas.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
He didn't look like so far perfect, perfect for him.
He will be missed.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
His parents must have been.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Big people on US generals right from the war the White.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
I could you know when you see him, if he
said a group of guys coming over, He's gonna go
over there and infiltrate and start telling his jokes. It just,
you know, felt as comfortable as I don't know what.
From the moment I met him. He always felt like
he was comfortable being around around.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
All groups, you know guys.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Obviously I wasn't alive during the times of the seventies
cowboys that were dominating during that time, But you know,
when when I can definitely recall my love of the game,
coming from my grandfather and always watching NFL films with
him and them going back and seeing those teams when
TV was going from black and white to color, seeing
the Texas Stateium and just from my fundest memories growing
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up watching the Cowboys and that old nostalgia from the
Cowboys and Bob Lily, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Texas, the shadows of Texas.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Stadium, you know, the gods watching all of those things,
you know, like as a kid, like growing up in Dallas, Man,
that was so huge, and you know, watching those watching
those games and seeing those tough guys that men absolutely
sacrifice their body in the way that football players today
can't even relate to.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
But we won't allow them to do that now because
they're worth so much more money now, Yes, and so
that's a whole other thing, you know.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
And d d.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Lewis with those you know, the way his elbow pass
his big ol' shoulder pads, and you know those times
he looked back on them for me now and I'm
starting to notice something when it comes to the news
that's coming out about players that are leaving, that are dying.
You know, they're around the same age, late seventies, early
eighties and these are the guys that were the titans
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of this game that we love so much. And you know,
I've had opportunities to hall uh be be a part
of some some really incredible things where I'm m seeing
and you know, and male blunts in the studio and
he's there. You know, guys like Earl Campbell are there
and I see Erl Campbell. He comes in on a
motor scooter and I'm thinking to myself, he was a
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bad mask. You know, he's a bad man school but today,
but today's the today's football enthusiasts and fans when they
hear about a man like this passing because they can't
relate directly to who he was, they don't understand the
greatness in which he played with in the tenacity when
we talk about the smarts, the defense that they played
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back then, and what Tom Landry brought to defense back then.
I think it's I think it's important that us as
a show get an opportunity to talk about his life
and his legacy.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And I'm sure that's what we'll be doing.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
I'm glad you brought it up.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
And that's what are two linebackers in three weeks?
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Yes, Leroy Jordan M.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, it's a tough you know, tough times, tough times
around here. But talking trying to transition from that, which
is very hard to do with transitioning into toughness with
this team and the linebackers that you currently have. Gods,
you're gonna need to have a showing against the Chicago Bears.
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Speaker 7 (13:02):
But God, he's out there pacing around right now. He's
kind of listening right now. He's pacing around waiting for
Heck to mess up?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 6 (13:10):
He's gonna jump in like you got me.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Then he gonna be out there for a little while,
a little while longer, because I want to talk about
this defense. I want to talk about Ibra Flus. He
was just uh in his presser talking about it, and
obviously he is under a ton of fire this week
because of the way that the defense performed against the
New York Giants. If you were just happen to be
sleeping under a rock, they torched us, but we wont.
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But this week you have a challenge with the Chicago Bears.
The Chicago Bears have a wide receiver Rome a Doonzy.
If you've never heard of this young man, he is
a doozy from the University of Washington.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
The fighting Isaiah standbacks.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I gotta drop my boy lining in there for him,
you double lum but he DJ Moore and Cole Comet
their their tight end. They present a problem for the
Cowboys secondary guys. And after listening a little bit Mickey two,
the defensive coordinator in his in his interview, what did
you come away with and how he can actually well,
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he's committed to getting these things fixed.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah, obviously it's a it was a huge problem. Uh,
And you know he talked about that they had to
get back to playing defense with eleven guys doing the
right thing and not somebody out there freelancing. That the
big plays come down to if you're gonna play and
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if you're gonna play zone, it's got to be team defense, right,
And it was pretty obvious. And you know, and I
don't know if that was the whole thing, and this
this occurred to me. I don't know the other day
when we were talking about, you know, the Cowboys didn't
do much if anything in preseason games like who they played.
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They didn't want to expose what they had up their sleeve. Well,
they had to expose it against the Eagles. So did
the Giants go to work on what they saw and said, oh,
this is how they're going to play defense, and this
is who's going to play defense. And they don't have
Doran Bland out there, oh by the way, right, and
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they I thought they exposed the weaknesses. Number one digs
having to play full time. He only played twenty seven
snaps in that first game. Those were the first twenty
seven snaps since December ninth. Think about it, didn't practice
in training camp. He looked like, oh okay, I got
to figure out how to play the game again. Conditioning
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getting back from the injury is one thing.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Or two things, but you got to play.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
And then they saw maybe there was a weakness there
with Kyrie elam and they tried to expose it. So
if you're going to play zone, those guys got to
know what they're doing. The safety's got to know what
they're doing, the linebackers got to know what they're doing.
And none of them played a game together in preseason.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
When it comes to a zonespags, you're right, every team
member has to be where they need to be. That's
why I love my dad as a coach. That's how
I was able to make the teams when people thought
maybe I shouldn't have made it much more athletic guys
maybe out there, but damn it, I knew where the
hell I was supposed to be. And that's the way
you play a team sport. Diggs not being out there
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in the preseason shouldn't have anything to do with Donovan
Wilson not understanding that he's got to be deep enough
as a safety that no one gets behind a safety.
And let's say that diggs responsibility is to remain inside
and underneath for some strange reason, that would be a
weird defense. He would still have to understand where you
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are in a ball game. And this is what I
always talk about with teams with experience Donovan Is he
should have known or be smart enough with enough experience
he played, He's played well for us more than a
few games in the past. As a leader of that secondary,
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you gotta know where you're supposed to be more than
anybody because I'm depending on that safety help. That's number one.
That to me made Zaire look really bad. I think
more than he should have taken credit for or taken
the blame for. When it comes to a team defense,
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the linebacker's running down the scenes with a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
If he's supposed to.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Whatever Diggs has been doing or not doing, that linebacker
still needs to know where he's supposed to be. And
once again, this is not like we're in a situation where,
oh man, we need to worry about the first down. No,
this is where you need to worry about keeping them
out of the end zone and when you need when
you understand.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
That, you think that's a priority.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
That's I'm not worried about the first down. Oh we coach,
I had him inside. No, we need you to have
him deepen inside because that's where the danger is. So, yes, Diggs,
what I saw mostly, First of all, I don't know
what the hell the did he ever talk about what
the communication problem was.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
They still haven't.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
They still haven't haven't said that, but ever since I
got to ask you this, because I think the bigger
question is when you talk to Like for me, I
interview defensive coordinators, high school, college, every level basically, and
one of the things that defensive coordinators I hear them
say is play to the strength of our defense and
our athletes. And as I evaluate the talent that's in
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our secondary, I think of these guys more as man
cover guys versus zone cover guys. Now, until ibra Flus
is able to get his guys in here, don't you
think that he because they played predominantly they they played zone.
Do you think he needs to change that up a
little bit to cater to the strengths of the guys
on this deep The reason that he.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Played zone was because we didn't have any cornerbacks.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
See that's what everybody doesn't figure out in that game.
If you went to training camp and said, these are
my top six corners, four of them are not playing right.
So the Calvary's coming over the hill. But the hill
still got two games, so you got to get back out.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Well no, no, you got you were headed there. You
have to understand if you have four cornerbacks down, you
automatically think I better play more zone, right, That would
be my reaction as a coach. I can't put these
inexperiences guys out there in the fire well, I mean fire,
I mean man to man is in the fire zone.
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You have help, we have a clost you play too.
That is your strength is the zone itself. I would
love to have to be able to say, man, my
my cornerback is only play man to man, which is
I don't think I've ever heard of that before. But
if a cornerback and only play man to man, then
yes we played that strength. But if but any cornerback,
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playing zone is a much more relaxing teching when you're
playing man to man is totally different. You play zone.
In my mind, I'm thinking I got a guy coming
underneath here, I got got in my in my curl route.
All I got to do is keep leverage on the.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Top because I got help.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Because on the top it's gonna be over the top.
So playing to your strength, that is playing zone.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Now.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
When it came to Diggs, where I could see that
he did not look ready, did not look ready. We
talked about it where he was. It was a fade,
ended up over the top, no touchdown. They threw it
to the outside shoulder as a quarterback should do, made
a great catch. Just watching his wheels at that time,
that didn't look good. I didn't see him catching up
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now of that. His technique was really bad because he
opened up the door. They called it like a like
a barcelon door. You know, you you just opened up
the door and let the receiver run right by you.
You don't have those wheels yet, and you should know
mentally should I should stay on top. I got to
keep my leverage on top because hey, my my stuff
ain't ready yet. So I saw that to where he
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just opened up the door, and I don't think he
had any help over the top on that play. I
think he was all And so when you look at
that and you look at the other touchdown, that was
all on him.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
And there was some man they were playing there that.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
Was one of them. When he tried to punch the
ball out in one.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
And he got beats, I think I think zayre.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
Ky, I'm so sorry, I think sounds no, No, you're right,
you're so kyr When you when I see how kyr played,
I think he made maybe a couple of mistakes, but
there were times when that safety has got to give
this young man some help because we were calling a
zone or nothing else. I'm pretty sure we were doubling
neighbors all those touchdowns that was on Kyer Mickey.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I got to ask you about Caleb Williams. I see
you have some Bears notes in front of you. Caleb
Williams as a quarterback. I don't want to say that
he's an anomaly yet, but as far as the way
that people talked about him in his second year in
the league, they don't put him in that elite category
that he was in when he came into the league.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Now he's more of a gray area in the question mark.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
But when you go back and look at the tape,
you see that he isn't the bigger part of the
problems that they have from you. When you've what you've
evaluated from him as a quarterback. They got a few
and the defense is probably the biggest one.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Yeah, the defense.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I thought the offensive line doesn't help him out too much,
But again, you know, through through nineteen games.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
That he's played, I saw this stat and this would
be concerning to me.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
He's only completed sixty two point four percent of his passes.
You got to be accurate in this NFL or survive
if you're the quarterback. And this year it's sixty one
point five in two games and he's only averaging six
point four yards in attempt. So they're not getting the
ball down the field. Now does he not have time?
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I don't know. I saw a headline in something whatever
site was covering the Bears and they were talking about
can Caleb Williams find the tight end? To me, a
young quarterback, the biggest problem you have is finding learning
to find the tight end because now you've got to
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look down the middle.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
Right, that's your safety. Plus that's right, the safety's on
right there right.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Yeah, but you gotta be you got to know where
that guy's.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Going to be.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
He's your outlet.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
I can throw the out because I know where my
wide receiver is or a deep ball, but can I
find the stuff going on in the middle? And I
think young quarterbacks have to figure that out quick Well.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
I think as much as they're having problems with the
offensive line, they should make him prioritize that. Not that
he could find him, make sure he's the number one
option on that particular play. If you want me to
get to the tight end, call a play where I
go directly to the tight end instead of making him
my second or third read.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
One of the things that I wanted to bring up
to you and him being a young quarterback is the
fact that he lacks a running game. Also, how many
rookie or young quarterbacks that you've seen coming to the
league that don't have a running game to support what
they want to do Right now? DeAndre Swift, if you
guys remember DeAndre Swift, the old Detroit running back.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
He was from Georgia, right, I believe so.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
But he was traded from the Lions to the Bears
before even Ben Johnson got there. So Ben Johnson, as
much of an offensive genius as he is, probably doesn't
have all of his pieces yet either. But that offensive
line isn't doing them anything.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
I was just wondering, is that the they haven't do
have injuries on the offensive line to where that can
be a major problem. Because when you think about Chicago,
you think about towding that rock. You go all the
way back to Pyton, you think about towding that Rock.
What's the guy from Baylor back in the day. You're
too young, but you know, I mean playing against him
as well running backs in Chicago. That's the way it goes.
(25:24):
So shut up his name, Gayl. Something I couldn't remember
when you talked about you got to have an offensive
line that can that can help them toete that rock
and that's gonna take a lot of pressure off of
off of Caleb. I haven't seen him with that luxury
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yet in his entire career, and that's what three years,
two years, two years. I haven't seen him have that
kind of that that kind of assistance yet, and it
just makes him look average and he is not an
average quarterback at all. He's got the tools. That's why
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everyone catered to him coming out. Everyone was ready for
this to explode. And right now all I see coming
from him is frustration.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Yeah, I think you're exactly right, and think about this.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I didn't I forgot last year, right because I read
something that the Bears had lost twelve of the last
thirteen games. Yes, putting these so last year, think they
had a ten game losing streak and they broke it
in the final game of the year. Because the Packers
didn't play any of their guys, and they beat the Packers.
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I think it was twenty twenty four to twenty two.
But that was their only win. And even after they fired.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Eberflus, they continued to lose.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Right, but during that ten game losing streak, five games
they lost by three points, one point, three points, three
points in three.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Point Wow, man breakers, heartbreakers.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
So they worked that far off right, And there's got
to be a reason that I see the line is
like they're favored by a point and a half.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
It's weird, which I yeah, that's weird. They got beat fifty.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Two to one, and now they're favored to win a
game against US.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yes, yes, it's still a pointing to Half's.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Might point now, but what's the difference?
Speaker 7 (27:29):
You know?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So this offensive line, when you look at it, I
mean the talent on it is fifth round, third round guys.
The only first round that they have is Darnelle right
from Tennessee. He was twenty twenty three, is a top
ten pick. So that maybe again that's the horror show
for them trying to figure out how to get protection
for him. On the other side, for our defensive line, Look,
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they for two weeks straight have done a pretty good
job of stopping the run, and you have to commit
to that now in a game like.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
This or the the week that you've already been through.
Here we go.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
Do you tell yourself coming into this all right, Yeah,
we can stop the run all we want to, but
let's not give up half a thousand to Caleb Williams
in this office game makes me so nervous?
Speaker 6 (28:15):
Do you realize that?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
And I had to do research to figure out why.
In the first game, but the two quarterbacks playing the
Bears these first two games, they both were NFC Offensive
Players of the Week, and I go JJ McCarthy was
the offensive player of the week. Well, he had a
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phenomenal fourth quarters right to beat him. And it was
some stat about coming back from ten point on the
Roans since Steve Young, and I'm going Steve Young and
it was nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Well it was a rookie year at Tampa bent right.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
What an ugly game that was though? That that the
Chicago Minnesota game, and yes it was one. In the
first drive, Chicago goes down and scores and everybody's like, oh,
Ben Johnson has arrived and everything after that, I mean
I think they had at one point a ten point
lead in that game, but JJ McCarthy late came back
and sealed the deal for them. It's not even any
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use in watching the Detroit Lions tape, yeah, because they
just got Doge.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Do you learn anything from what Ben Johnson was had
scripted for Caleb versus the rest of the game, how
the rest of the.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Guiname might had improvised? Yes, or the plays did if.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
Those plays were he went all the way down, if
I'm not mistaken. He didn't miss no.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah, but they weren't throwing the ball down the field.
It was all little dump offs out to the edges.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You know.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
If you can't expose the middle of the field as
a quarterback, your toast.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
That was whenever Cowboys are not successful, that's always Steve.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Steve Walsh won a national championship at Miami, But when
he got to the NFL, the thing you noticed was
he's great on the outs, but he couldn't.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Expose the middle.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
And he had the weakest arm I've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
And you know, and when he got I was a teammate.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
I was there when he when he got the Bears
into not the Saints into the playoffs that year, and
they got into the playoff game and I could see
what the what the defense was doing. It's like, you're
not throwing the ball on the edges to me, You're
gonna have to beat me in the middle of the field.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
And he couldn't do it. And that was his kind
of downfall.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
I mean, so, guys, we've been here before. It was
like a week ago. Hey guys, we got him, you.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
Know, yeah, Rus they can't do this coming in here,
crutch it.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
It's got to break give us pause, right, yeah, a
little bit that. And and we're on the road as
opposed to being at home. You can forget if we
play that game on the road unless Dak is that
that person that can rally those troops better than last year.
You know, I'm still nervous. Yeah, I'm still nervous. I
don't think anything's in the bag. I think it's arroganson
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on our part to think going into that game that
we can just handle them like everyone else did. We
just don't do that. Yeah, we always do the opposite.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
So this kid, Kayler Williams, I can tell you, especially
in that second half of that Minnesota game and even
in the Detroit game. His problem is he wants to
put his cape on and save the day. And he
may have been able to get away with that at USC,
may have been able to get away with that at Oklahoma.
It's just not going to work for him in the league.
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And until he learns that, he's going to be in
that perpetual state of what you were talking about sixty
two or sixty one percent or whether or that is,
and it ain't gonna ever look good for him. But
he has an offensive coordinator right now, Ben Johnson. The
plays that he's drawing up, if they could get the protection, dude,
legitimately going to be a problem. But we're going to
take our second break and come back and talk about
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my favorite, my quarterback, Dak Prescott.
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Speaker 7 (34:48):
He comes session, He said, a squad to get dressed up.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
If you go, come in, lady, you might as well
be faster. Did we did that? We were talking about
the line before we went to break.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
In, and it was it the offensive line or the
defensive No, no, no, we.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Were talking about the Vegas line, which has changed and
Chris Beams said that it is now Cowboys point and
a half, which is a far craft from where it
started on Monday.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
So the Bears, I noticed, have problems with cornerbacks. Imagine
that Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
They already the Cowboys, So how does that affect the life?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Right?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
But there's a same thing injuries, right.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
They already said that Jalen Johnson with a groin did
not practice yesterday and he's going to be out. Well,
the other two corners that did not practice or Jayalen
Jones one of the backups, and Kyler Gordon, their nickel guy,
has injury. And so the Sean Wright's probably gonna play
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in this game, right, and the Cowboys better target him
with the first pass of the game.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
I guarantee you that.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
This is a case of pin the tail on the
do So, so they've got they've got some problems in
the secondary right now. And we're talking to secondary that
was part of a defense that gave up fifty two
points last week.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
So Bill, you're back.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
You were just doing interviewing UH coach Brian Schottenheimer and
we asked the question, did you learn anything.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
No, he's not going to give out anything. He thought
I was Tom Brady. He's not going to tell Tom
Brady anything like that.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
He's getting in the mode.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
He's getting into the coach speak mode.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Right, he didn't give you any of the trick plays
or what Dack's going to because I want to tell
you right now because the.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Trick plays are coming on from the other side. Is
that is that whereas Johnson is where the trick plays
are so and.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
He said he won't tell Tom Brady anything.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I don't blame don't.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
Yeah, no one's talking to Tom.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
So you guys got to tell me the rules here.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I heard you say something about you can't something about
the kickers off limits for your picks on Fridays, something
about Micah.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
What was that used to be? Mike?
Speaker 7 (37:11):
Okay, facts every week?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Okay, Yeah, it was too easy.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
So I'm gonna tell you right, I'm taking dak on Friday,
So don't take no you can Okay.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
I have to be off limits too if you.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Go on now take you while you can't.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
All right, well, I got that.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
I'm just telling you right now, just because he's got
he's leading the third ranked offense national football right.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I will say this about the Bears giving up the
fifty two points from the Lions and just watching I
went and watched the entire game again last night and
and really consumed it last night, the Bears Lions game,
and that head coach for the Bears could have kept
that score down. There were a couple of instances where
he goes forward on fourth down at midfield, and one
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of them was a fourth and five at the field
and the game was already getting away from him, and
they didn't. It was incomplete made no sense, yeah, exactly.
And there was a fourth and one and a half
earlier in quarterback sneak. They didn't get it, and so
you're giving the Lions a short field and so now
it might it might have been thirty eight points instead
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of fifty two points.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Going was he trying to out Dan Campbell?
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Dan?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
I think fourth down?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, it's just in his DNA.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
And so that's one thing as far as to look
for in this game, is he is the you know,
riverboat gambler, just like Dan Campbell was, and they can
work to the Cowboys advantage if they can, if they
can stop them on fourth that I.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
Mean, when you see a matchup like that, the ingredients
are totally different. There's a lot of revenge stuff going on.
You know, somebody trying to prove something to somebody else,
or I'm glad that guy left because now I can
show them I'm glad I went with this guy so
I can show him up. All of that emotion that
went into that game. I don't think you can judge
a game like that unless they're playing each other. I
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don't think you. I don't think you're going to get
the same negative energy from the Bears going into the
Detroit game that's coming into this game. I think they
would probably be a little bit more poised in there.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Well, they got to play Eberlus Yeah yeah, wow, maybe
maybe as long as he maybe carried away and maybe, Okay,
I'm going to go in and show them. All I
know is Jared Goff had a one fifty six quarterback
rating insane. One fifty eight point three is perfect. He
had one fifty six.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
He missed that.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Last year he completed eighty two percent of his passes
had five touchdown passes. The only reason he did he
wasn't perfect is he only average eleven point nine yards
per attempt. If you average twelve point three yards per attempt,
that's considered perfect.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
You do remember the game last year where he yeah
pretty much did that.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
He was higher than whether it was it higher than
the eating from last.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
Week that was he couldn't have gotten much higher he got.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
I think he did it.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Turns out, turns out it wasn't his offensive coordinator. It
costs to be that good because the offensive last year's
offensive coordinator for the Lions is now the head.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
You gotta know this. That showed me type of thing.
I'm going to show you this, I'm gonna it was.
I thought it was a very emotional game for them,
and sometimes emotion can take you the wrong way, and
it didn't work out at all.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
It was emotional for the Lions, especially coming off a
loss in Week one, that's true.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
And so I got to ask you about those emotions
because ebra Flus going back to Chicago that has to
be emotionally charged for him, and you, as a former
Cowboy player going to the Giants what was that experience
like for you coming back?
Speaker 7 (40:49):
That's why I know what I'm talking about. That's why exactly,
because you know that's that's one of those games where
you know you gotta be careful on how much emotion
you put into it to still stick to the script.
I can't go off script because this is something personal
for me. I still have to play my cover too,
that Belichick taught me. I still have to wait on
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LT to give me that pressure so I can make
some plays and I can't worry about trying to shut
down Michael Irvin on a personal tip when I could
just sit out there and play my game, play a
team game, and do what exactly what we came there
to do, which is what that butt.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
And Iberflus was asked that exact question, and he basically said,
you got to keep the process in the preparation the same.
Can't get over it you sorried about Okay, I'm gonna
do this, this and this right we're gonna start blitzing.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Is that from his pressures availability just moments ago?
Speaker 7 (41:41):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
And he also has asked, what does Matt ebra This
is a tweet from Todd Archer, what does Matt Ibraflus
think the reaction to his return the soldier field will
be this week.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
Oh, I didn't hear that one is quote.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
I haven't thought about it.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
That's a lie.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
That's that's why I looked at it.
Speaker 7 (42:00):
So that's a lot.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
I'd better be prepared to get booed out here.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
He won't get introduced, that's probably.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
Yeah, they don't introduce the defensive.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
By the way though, on that topic of he you know,
and he will never reveal that he has any motivation, right, yeah,
going back there. But the way he was let go
by the Bears was not right. Remember it was the
Friday after the Thanksgiving Day game. That was uh, it
was ridiculous how that ended. And they made him he
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did a zoom media availability on Friday morning. They made
him do that zoom media availability and then they fired.
Speaker 7 (42:42):
Him after Why does management always do that. I don't
care what the job is. I don't care what the
job is. They fire you at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Man, guys get fired before they get on the plane
to leave, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (42:54):
But you got guys like man, I walk a whole day,
but you knew you were gonna fire me. You could
have fired me yesterday.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
After when I went on they lost to Detroit twenty
three to twenty and he hit time ran out. He
had a time out in his back pocket, is I remember?
Speaker 4 (43:08):
And Caleb DS and time management issues himself, the quarterback
did and.
Speaker 7 (43:14):
That has not changed. He still had.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
It's so weird, man, going back to that draft with
Chicago getting Caleb Williams and the hope for the franchise
and the head coach, it just seemed to go right.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
I've lived their whole existence at quarterback right just right.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Out the window so fast.
Speaker 6 (43:32):
You got to go back to quickly. Yes, you got
to go back to Billy Waye laime. They had a
quality quarterback.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Rex Grossman got him to the super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (43:41):
Well yeah, maybe got there despite him.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
What would do if I had a quarterback here that
got him to the super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (43:50):
What by give him a parade?
Speaker 6 (43:56):
The Bears and quarterbacks? That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
No, man, it hadn't been long, you know what.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
The biggest difference so watching that Bears Lions game, to me, uh,
just on the surface, the biggest lot of take tour
and we got some distractable people there. Heck, man, I
are keeping our focus.
Speaker 6 (44:17):
We're waving today.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
I can't remember what I was.
Speaker 6 (44:23):
Yeahle too.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
But the offensive line, I mean, Caleb he is getting
he's under duress and and the other part of it
is he's not a veteran quarterback, so he doesn't know
what he's looking at and you know, he can move
around and avoid.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Some of that.
Speaker 7 (44:40):
You know, this ruin can ruin him. I mean that
can that kind of consistent inconsistencies, It can really ruin
a player's career. Yeah, you come out with all this
talent and now you don't really know how to use
it until you find the right system or coach that
can can can relay that to you. So I don't
know whether disconnect is coming. They just need to get
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better people around him, or do they have to have
better coaches around him.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
It's so weird when you look at a player like
Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville who has struggled mightily, but yet
and still the organization is on board, staying, you know,
supporting him, whereas Caleb in two years, it's like, Hey,
either this year or next year, are you going to
find yourself on the bench for those same issues that
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you're talking about, you know, just being reckless and careless
with the ball.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
The first of being the first pick in the draft,
because you've got to produce immediately.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Then usually you don't have a team around you.
Speaker 7 (45:41):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
So then my question is young Caroline Bryce Young, Right.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Which player would you take if you could take Caleb
Williams or Trevor Lawrence? Which which player would you take
just based off of their performance?
Speaker 7 (45:55):
Don't I don't if you're talking about who do you
take with this Chicago team, don't think.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
It matters who would you grade higher? Which which just
based off.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
Okay, let's put it this way.
Speaker 7 (46:05):
Let's put it this way.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
If Jaden Daniels went to the Bears number one overall
last year and Caleb Williams went to Washington, how would
their stories be reading right now?
Speaker 7 (46:15):
It would be different. I do think it would be different.
Just the supporting staff is better off support coaching staff.
But the supporting staff. You guys might know more about
the coaching staff, But I mean, as far as the
players are concerned, it's better players I think in Washington.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (46:32):
Oh well, yeah, although don't you think the Bears first
play is DJ Moore going deep?
Speaker 4 (46:41):
I think you know what their first play was last
week against Detroit. But they lined up Caleb Williams at
wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yes they did, Yes they did.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
It was DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 7 (46:53):
Why they got they got a genius coach.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
Yeah, well the genius coach.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Use the chat g BT by.
Speaker 6 (47:04):
You or I bring back my suggestion.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Unbelievable Bill, you want to you want to say this
out of here?
Speaker 8 (47:12):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (47:12):
Wait, I got one more so when I get these, uh,
the rosters from the other teams, I look at the
coaching staff, see if I saw any names that I recognized?
Hal Harris, how about Ken Norton the third?
Speaker 7 (47:27):
Wow? The third?
Speaker 6 (47:29):
The third? Really Ken Norton Junior's son, Junior Jr. Yeah yeah,
Ken Norton the third.
Speaker 7 (47:38):
Did he play ball?
Speaker 4 (47:41):
We'll have that for you tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I can't google that fast enough.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
He was doing something in l A with I think
movies or something like that, and now he's now in
the coaching See.
Speaker 7 (47:54):
That's the damn good question.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Is really confused the whole.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
Thing with the answer, And we'll have the answer for you.
Every home will have the answer for you tomorrow at
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I'm Heck Maharrison alongside the Super Bowl champion Everson Walls
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the floor.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
On yesterday. The Dallas Cowboys had a tremendous loss.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
D D.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Lewis died yesterday.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
And I know you guys know him well, So Mickey,
I wanted to start with you.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Any remarks about the man you know well.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
I wasn't here when he was playing. I guess you
got one year in with him before he retired. I
got to know him a little bit through bumping into
him interviews later on. As a matter of fact, he
went to Mississippi State and when I was working in Jackson, Mississippi.
One of my good friends had followed his career there,
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so I heard a lot of DeeDee Lewis stories through
him after I got the job here. But you know,
we see all the stats about him and everything, and
that's all fine and good and we'll get into that.
But he was sort of a jokester, and he was
just this gregarious guy right that played football. And I remember, man,
(01:52):
it might have been ten years ago, I don't know,
we were doing an interview and I.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Was talking about the off season.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I asked him if he had a part time job,
because a lot of those guys back then needed to
do it, because yeah, they were getting to supplement their income, right,
And he goes, no, No, I didn't have it. I said, so,
what what did you do in the off season to
prepare for training camp?
Speaker 6 (02:16):
D D goes, I got in the pool every day
and did sixteen.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Ounce curls that fell flat when I did it on
the fan here.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
But he was talking about cans of beer.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
He said, oh, he was lifting one powder. I'm going
come on, give me a break. And that was that.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Was That was D. D.
Speaker 7 (02:42):
Lewis, Right with D d D was a long standing
relic from a defense that no one wants to hear
about right now, and that's the Tom Landry flex defense,
a very unique defense in said Tom Landry came up
with because Jim Brown was running all over the entire NFL.
(03:07):
I think it may have been the NFC at the time.
I don't think they Cleveland was yeah, yeah, it wasn't
the NFL yet, you know, that's when they had the
AFL NFL, and Jim Brown was so tough. Tom Landry,
being the genius that he was, came up with a
defense where I can't remember the middle linebacker's name, but
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whoever that middle linebacker was for the Cowboys, they wanted
to make sure that he met Jim Brown in the hole.
Just as if you're blocking for a running back. So
just like the running back and find the hole the line.
The middle linebacker is going to find that hole whatever
Jim Brown or any good running back is going to
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try and crease that hole. And so here comes Tom
Landry with this unorthodox, very awkward looking defense that was
able to be somewhat effective. Again all running backs, Well,
the bottom the other side of that is your cornerbacks
are going to be left out to dry. Guys, sorry
about that, and your free safety is going to be
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part of the force of the running game. And D.
D Lewis was one of those linebackers that you looked
at him, you said, you know, he doesn't look at
impressive physically, but he knew the flex defense. Back and forth,
young guys come in here. We got the guy from
from Boston College. Can't say his name, but he's you know,
(04:32):
aa acc ac acc sorry, defensive player of the year.
He would come in and have all these accolades, and
he looked good. And D D with his with his
twelve ounce curls, He's gonna come in and take that
job because I don't care how athletic you are. You
didn't need athleticism necessarily to be a good linebacker in
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the flex defense. That's why when Thomas Henderson came, he
had the leticism and the knowledge of the flex defense.
That's what made me so good. That's one of the
reasons the Cowboys made the playoffs a super Bowl against
the Pittsburgh Steelers. All I'm saying is D. D. Lewis
is a long standing out out. To call him a
relic is no disrespect. He was part of a defense
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that no one is going to try and run anymore
because of the stress that it puts on your secondary.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
But d D.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
Lewis fought off many wonderful linebackers. It was a Brown
from Houston. He's a fast linebacker from Houston, and he
comes in here. He can't play the flex, so d
D just comes Sasha in back in DD is your
job again. So he hung on because he had the
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intellect to play the defense that Tom Landry invented himself.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I don't think people realize he played thirteen years and
I saw all the stats about you know, how many
playoff games he played in, and I thought the most
impressive one was he started one hundred and thirty five
consecutive games, and back then that was a difficult thing
to do.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
And I know he's not in the Ring of Honor,
guybre guyb.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yeah, but he did get selected to the College Football
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
He was the SEC Player.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Of the Year that his last year, right Player of
the Year in defense, and then the Mississippi Sports Hall
of Fame too.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Well, like once again, Tom Landry. Tom Landry doesn't like
playing with dumb asses. It just doesn't. And that's why D. D.
Lewis was able to play as long as he did,
because you had to as a linebacker, you had to
play with your intellect with the flex defense, that's just
all of this to it. You not only had to
be had to play an awkward technique that no one
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else was playing, but you also had to understand how
it worked and how it works for you and for
the defense as a whole.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Could you imagine him going through life being named Dwight Douglas.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
He didn't look like so far perfect, perfect for him.
He will be missed.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
His parents must have been.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Big people on US generals right from the war the White.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
I could you know when you see him, if he
said a group of guys coming over, He's gonna go
over there and infiltrate and start telling his jokes. It just,
you know, felt as comfortable as I don't know what.
From the moment I met him. He always felt like
he was comfortable being around around.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
All groups, you know guys.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Obviously I wasn't alive during the times of the seventies
cowboys that were dominating during that time, But you know,
when when I can definitely recall my love of the game,
coming from my grandfather and always watching NFL films with
him and them going back and seeing those teams when
TV was going from black and white to color, seeing
the Texas Stateium and just from my fundest memories growing
(08:02):
up watching the Cowboys and that old nostalgia from the
Cowboys and Bob Lily, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Texas, the shadows of Texas.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Stadium, you know, the gods watching all of those things,
you know, like as a kid, like growing up in Dallas, Man,
that was so huge, and you know, watching those watching
those games and seeing those tough guys that men absolutely
sacrifice their body in the way that football players today
can't even relate to.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
But we won't allow them to do that now because
they're worth so much more money now, Yes, and so
that's a whole other thing, you know.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
And d d.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Lewis with those you know, the way his elbow pass
his big ol' shoulder pads, and you know those times
he looked back on them for me now and I'm
starting to notice something when it comes to the news
that's coming out about players that are leaving, that are dying.
You know, they're around the same age, late seventies, early
eighties and these are the guys that were the titans
(08:56):
of this game that we love so much. And you know,
I've had opportunities to hall uh be be a part
of some some really incredible things where I'm m seeing
and you know, and male blunts in the studio and
he's there. You know, guys like Earl Campbell are there
and I see Erl Campbell. He comes in on a
motor scooter and I'm thinking to myself, he was a
(09:17):
bad mask. You know, he's a bad man school but today,
but today's the today's football enthusiasts and fans when they
hear about a man like this passing because they can't
relate directly to who he was, they don't understand the
greatness in which he played with in the tenacity when
we talk about the smarts, the defense that they played
(09:40):
back then, and what Tom Landry brought to defense back then.
I think it's I think it's important that us as
a show get an opportunity to talk about his life
and his legacy.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And I'm sure that's what we'll be doing.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
I'm glad you brought it up.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
And that's what are two linebackers in three weeks?
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Yes, Leroy Jordan M.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, it's a tough you know, tough times, tough times
around here. But talking trying to transition from that, which
is very hard to do with transitioning into toughness with
this team and the linebackers that you currently have. Gods,
you're gonna need to have a showing against the Chicago Bears.
And how about this, how about this, This is a
(10:18):
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Speaker 7 (13:02):
But God, he's out there pacing around right now. He's
kind of listening right now. He's pacing around waiting for
Heck to mess up?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 6 (13:10):
He's gonna jump in like you got me.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Then he gonna be out there for a little while,
a little while longer, because I want to talk about
this defense. I want to talk about Ibra Flus. He
was just uh in his presser talking about it, and
obviously he is under a ton of fire this week
because of the way that the defense performed against the
New York Giants. If you were just happen to be
sleeping under a rock, they torched us, but we wont.
(13:33):
But this week you have a challenge with the Chicago Bears.
The Chicago Bears have a wide receiver Rome a Doonzy.
If you've never heard of this young man, he is
a doozy from the University of Washington.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
The fighting Isaiah standbacks.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I gotta drop my boy lining in there for him,
you double lum but he DJ Moore and Cole Comet
their their tight end. They present a problem for the
Cowboys secondary guys. And after listening a little bit Mickey two,
the defensive coordinator in his in his interview, what did
you come away with and how he can actually well,
(14:10):
he's committed to getting these things fixed.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah, obviously it's a it was a huge problem. Uh,
And you know he talked about that they had to
get back to playing defense with eleven guys doing the
right thing and not somebody out there freelancing. That the
big plays come down to if you're gonna play and
(14:32):
if you're gonna play zone, it's got to be team defense, right,
And it was pretty obvious. And you know, and I
don't know if that was the whole thing, and this
this occurred to me. I don't know the other day
when we were talking about, you know, the Cowboys didn't
do much if anything in preseason games like who they played.
(14:57):
They didn't want to expose what they had up their sleeve. Well,
they had to expose it against the Eagles. So did
the Giants go to work on what they saw and said, oh,
this is how they're going to play defense, and this
is who's going to play defense. And they don't have
Doran Bland out there, oh by the way, right, and
(15:19):
they I thought they exposed the weaknesses. Number one digs
having to play full time. He only played twenty seven
snaps in that first game. Those were the first twenty
seven snaps since December ninth. Think about it, didn't practice
in training camp. He looked like, oh okay, I got
to figure out how to play the game again. Conditioning
(15:42):
getting back from the injury is one thing.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Or two things, but you got to play.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
And then they saw maybe there was a weakness there
with Kyrie elam and they tried to expose it. So
if you're going to play zone, those guys got to
know what they're doing. The safety's got to know what
they're doing, the linebackers got to know what they're doing.
And none of them played a game together in preseason.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
When it comes to a zonespags, you're right, every team
member has to be where they need to be. That's
why I love my dad as a coach. That's how
I was able to make the teams when people thought
maybe I shouldn't have made it much more athletic guys
maybe out there, but damn it, I knew where the
hell I was supposed to be. And that's the way
you play a team sport. Diggs not being out there
(16:31):
in the preseason shouldn't have anything to do with Donovan
Wilson not understanding that he's got to be deep enough
as a safety that no one gets behind a safety.
And let's say that diggs responsibility is to remain inside
and underneath for some strange reason, that would be a
weird defense. He would still have to understand where you
(16:56):
are in a ball game. And this is what I
always talk about with teams with experience Donovan Is he
should have known or be smart enough with enough experience
he played, He's played well for us more than a
few games in the past. As a leader of that secondary,
(17:16):
you gotta know where you're supposed to be more than
anybody because I'm depending on that safety help. That's number one.
That to me made Zaire look really bad. I think
more than he should have taken credit for or taken
the blame for. When it comes to a team defense,
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the linebacker's running down the scenes with a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
If he's supposed to.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Whatever Diggs has been doing or not doing, that linebacker
still needs to know where he's supposed to be. And
once again, this is not like we're in a situation where,
oh man, we need to worry about the first down. No,
this is where you need to worry about keeping them
out of the end zone and when you need when
you understand.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
That, you think that's a priority.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
That's I'm not worried about the first down. Oh we coach,
I had him inside. No, we need you to have
him deepen inside because that's where the danger is. So, yes, Diggs,
what I saw mostly, First of all, I don't know
what the hell the did he ever talk about what
the communication problem was.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
They still haven't.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
They still haven't haven't said that, but ever since I
got to ask you this, because I think the bigger
question is when you talk to Like for me, I
interview defensive coordinators, high school, college, every level basically, and
one of the things that defensive coordinators I hear them
say is play to the strength of our defense and
our athletes. And as I evaluate the talent that's in
(18:47):
our secondary, I think of these guys more as man
cover guys versus zone cover guys. Now, until ibra Flus
is able to get his guys in here, don't you
think that he because they played predominantly they they played zone.
Do you think he needs to change that up a
little bit to cater to the strengths of the guys
on this deep The reason that he.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Played zone was because we didn't have any cornerbacks.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
See that's what everybody doesn't figure out in that game.
If you went to training camp and said, these are
my top six corners, four of them are not playing right.
So the Calvary's coming over the hill. But the hill
still got two games, so you got to get back out.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Well no, no, you got you were headed there. You
have to understand if you have four cornerbacks down, you
automatically think I better play more zone, right, That would
be my reaction as a coach. I can't put these
inexperiences guys out there in the fire well, I mean fire,
I mean man to man is in the fire zone.
(19:48):
You have help, we have a clost you play too.
That is your strength is the zone itself. I would
love to have to be able to say, man, my
my cornerback is only play man to man, which is
I don't think I've ever heard of that before. But
if a cornerback and only play man to man, then
yes we played that strength. But if but any cornerback,
(20:11):
playing zone is a much more relaxing teching when you're
playing man to man is totally different. You play zone.
In my mind, I'm thinking I got a guy coming
underneath here, I got got in my in my curl route.
All I got to do is keep leverage on the.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Top because I got help.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Because on the top it's gonna be over the top.
So playing to your strength, that is playing zone.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Now.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
When it came to Diggs, where I could see that
he did not look ready, did not look ready. We
talked about it where he was. It was a fade,
ended up over the top, no touchdown. They threw it
to the outside shoulder as a quarterback should do, made
a great catch. Just watching his wheels at that time,
that didn't look good. I didn't see him catching up
(21:01):
now of that. His technique was really bad because he
opened up the door. They called it like a like
a barcelon door. You know, you you just opened up
the door and let the receiver run right by you.
You don't have those wheels yet, and you should know
mentally should I should stay on top. I got to
keep my leverage on top because hey, my my stuff
ain't ready yet. So I saw that to where he
(21:24):
just opened up the door, and I don't think he
had any help over the top on that play. I
think he was all And so when you look at
that and you look at the other touchdown, that was
all on him.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
And there was some man they were playing there that.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
Was one of them. When he tried to punch the
ball out in one.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
And he got beats, I think I think zayre.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
Ky, I'm so sorry, I think sounds no, No, you're right,
you're so kyr When you when I see how kyr played,
I think he made maybe a couple of mistakes, but
there were times when that safety has got to give
this young man some help because we were calling a
zone or nothing else. I'm pretty sure we were doubling
neighbors all those touchdowns that was on Kyer Mickey.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I got to ask you about Caleb Williams. I see
you have some Bears notes in front of you. Caleb
Williams as a quarterback. I don't want to say that
he's an anomaly yet, but as far as the way
that people talked about him in his second year in
the league, they don't put him in that elite category
that he was in when he came into the league.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Now he's more of a gray area in the question mark.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
But when you go back and look at the tape,
you see that he isn't the bigger part of the
problems that they have from you. When you've what you've
evaluated from him as a quarterback. They got a few
and the defense is probably the biggest one.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Yeah, the defense.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I thought the offensive line doesn't help him out too much,
But again, you know, through through nineteen games.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
That he's played, I saw this stat and this would
be concerning to me.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
He's only completed sixty two point four percent of his passes.
You got to be accurate in this NFL or survive
if you're the quarterback. And this year it's sixty one
point five in two games and he's only averaging six
point four yards in attempt. So they're not getting the
ball down the field. Now does he not have time?
(23:25):
I don't know. I saw a headline in something whatever
site was covering the Bears and they were talking about
can Caleb Williams find the tight end? To me, a
young quarterback, the biggest problem you have is finding learning
to find the tight end because now you've got to
(23:46):
look down the middle.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
Right, that's your safety. Plus that's right, the safety's on
right there right.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Yeah, but you gotta be you got to know where
that guy's.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Going to be.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
He's your outlet.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
I can throw the out because I know where my
wide receiver is or a deep ball, but can I
find the stuff going on in the middle? And I
think young quarterbacks have to figure that out quick Well.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
I think as much as they're having problems with the
offensive line, they should make him prioritize that. Not that
he could find him, make sure he's the number one
option on that particular play. If you want me to
get to the tight end, call a play where I
go directly to the tight end instead of making him
my second or third read.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
One of the things that I wanted to bring up
to you and him being a young quarterback is the
fact that he lacks a running game. Also, how many
rookie or young quarterbacks that you've seen coming to the
league that don't have a running game to support what
they want to do Right now? DeAndre Swift, if you
guys remember DeAndre Swift, the old Detroit running back.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
He was from Georgia, right, I believe so.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
But he was traded from the Lions to the Bears
before even Ben Johnson got there. So Ben Johnson, as
much of an offensive genius as he is, probably doesn't
have all of his pieces yet either. But that offensive
line isn't doing them anything.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
I was just wondering, is that the they haven't do
have injuries on the offensive line to where that can
be a major problem. Because when you think about Chicago,
you think about towding that rock. You go all the
way back to Pyton, you think about towding that Rock.
What's the guy from Baylor back in the day. You're
too young, but you know, I mean playing against him
as well running backs in Chicago. That's the way it goes.
(25:24):
So shut up his name, Gayl. Something I couldn't remember
when you talked about you got to have an offensive
line that can that can help them toete that rock
and that's gonna take a lot of pressure off of
off of Caleb. I haven't seen him with that luxury
(25:46):
yet in his entire career, and that's what three years,
two years, two years. I haven't seen him have that
kind of that that kind of assistance yet, and it
just makes him look average and he is not an
average quarterback at all. He's got the tools. That's why
(26:07):
everyone catered to him coming out. Everyone was ready for
this to explode. And right now all I see coming
from him is frustration.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Yeah, I think you're exactly right, and think about this.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I didn't I forgot last year, right because I read
something that the Bears had lost twelve of the last
thirteen games. Yes, putting these so last year, think they
had a ten game losing streak and they broke it
in the final game of the year. Because the Packers
didn't play any of their guys, and they beat the Packers.
(26:38):
I think it was twenty twenty four to twenty two.
But that was their only win. And even after they fired.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Eberflus, they continued to lose.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Right, but during that ten game losing streak, five games
they lost by three points, one point, three points, three
points in three.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Point Wow, man breakers, heartbreakers.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
So they worked that far off right, And there's got
to be a reason that I see the line is
like they're favored by a point and a half.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
It's weird, which I yeah, that's weird. They got beat fifty.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Two to one, and now they're favored to win a
game against US.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yes, yes, it's still a pointing to Half's.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Might point now, but what's the difference?
Speaker 7 (27:29):
You know?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So this offensive line, when you look at it, I
mean the talent on it is fifth round, third round guys.
The only first round that they have is Darnelle right
from Tennessee. He was twenty twenty three, is a top
ten pick. So that maybe again that's the horror show
for them trying to figure out how to get protection
for him. On the other side, for our defensive line, Look,
(27:51):
they for two weeks straight have done a pretty good
job of stopping the run, and you have to commit
to that now in a game like.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
This or the the week that you've already been through.
Here we go.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
Do you tell yourself coming into this all right, Yeah,
we can stop the run all we want to, but
let's not give up half a thousand to Caleb Williams
in this office game makes me so nervous?
Speaker 6 (28:15):
Do you realize that?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
And I had to do research to figure out why.
In the first game, but the two quarterbacks playing the
Bears these first two games, they both were NFC Offensive
Players of the Week, and I go JJ McCarthy was
the offensive player of the week. Well, he had a
(28:37):
phenomenal fourth quarters right to beat him. And it was
some stat about coming back from ten point on the
Roans since Steve Young, and I'm going Steve Young and
it was nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Well it was a rookie year at Tampa bent right.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
What an ugly game that was though? That that the
Chicago Minnesota game, and yes it was one. In the
first drive, Chicago goes down and scores and everybody's like, oh,
Ben Johnson has arrived and everything after that, I mean
I think they had at one point a ten point
lead in that game, but JJ McCarthy late came back
and sealed the deal for them. It's not even any
(29:15):
use in watching the Detroit Lions tape, yeah, because they
just got Doge.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Do you learn anything from what Ben Johnson was had
scripted for Caleb versus the rest of the game, how
the rest of the.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Guiname might had improvised? Yes, or the plays did if.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
Those plays were he went all the way down, if
I'm not mistaken. He didn't miss no.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah, but they weren't throwing the ball down the field.
It was all little dump offs out to the edges.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You know.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
If you can't expose the middle of the field as
a quarterback, your toast.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
That was whenever Cowboys are not successful, that's always Steve.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Steve Walsh won a national championship at Miami, But when
he got to the NFL, the thing you noticed was
he's great on the outs, but he couldn't.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Expose the middle.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
And he had the weakest arm I've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
And you know, and when he got I was a teammate.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
I was there when he when he got the Bears
into not the Saints into the playoffs that year, and
they got into the playoff game and I could see
what the what the defense was doing. It's like, you're
not throwing the ball on the edges to me, You're
gonna have to beat me in the middle of the field.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
And he couldn't do it. And that was his kind
of downfall.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
I mean, so, guys, we've been here before. It was
like a week ago. Hey guys, we got him, you.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
Know, yeah, Rus they can't do this coming in here,
crutch it.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
It's got to break give us pause, right, yeah, a
little bit that. And and we're on the road as
opposed to being at home. You can forget if we
play that game on the road unless Dak is that
that person that can rally those troops better than last year.
You know, I'm still nervous. Yeah, I'm still nervous. I
don't think anything's in the bag. I think it's arroganson
(31:07):
on our part to think going into that game that
we can just handle them like everyone else did. We
just don't do that. Yeah, we always do the opposite.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
So this kid, Kayler Williams, I can tell you, especially
in that second half of that Minnesota game and even
in the Detroit game. His problem is he wants to
put his cape on and save the day. And he
may have been able to get away with that at USC,
may have been able to get away with that at Oklahoma.
It's just not going to work for him in the league.
(31:37):
And until he learns that, he's going to be in
that perpetual state of what you were talking about sixty
two or sixty one percent or whether or that is,
and it ain't gonna ever look good for him. But
he has an offensive coordinator right now, Ben Johnson. The
plays that he's drawing up, if they could get the protection, dude,
legitimately going to be a problem. But we're going to
take our second break and come back and talk about
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my favorite, my quarterback, Dak Prescott.
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Speaker 7 (34:48):
He comes session, He said, a squad to get dressed up.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
If you go, come in, lady, you might as well
be faster. Did we did that? We were talking about
the line before we went to break.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
In, and it was it the offensive line or the
defensive No, no, no, we.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Were talking about the Vegas line, which has changed and
Chris Beams said that it is now Cowboys point and
a half, which is a far craft from where it
started on Monday.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
So the Bears, I noticed, have problems with cornerbacks. Imagine
that Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
They already the Cowboys, So how does that affect the life?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Right?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
But there's a same thing injuries, right.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
They already said that Jalen Johnson with a groin did
not practice yesterday and he's going to be out. Well,
the other two corners that did not practice or Jayalen
Jones one of the backups, and Kyler Gordon, their nickel guy,
has injury. And so the Sean Wright's probably gonna play
(35:56):
in this game, right, and the Cowboys better target him
with the first pass of the game.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
I guarantee you that.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
This is a case of pin the tail on the
do So, so they've got they've got some problems in
the secondary right now. And we're talking to secondary that
was part of a defense that gave up fifty two
points last week.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
So Bill, you're back.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
You were just doing interviewing UH coach Brian Schottenheimer and
we asked the question, did you learn anything.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
No, he's not going to give out anything. He thought
I was Tom Brady. He's not going to tell Tom
Brady anything like that.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
He's getting in the mode.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
He's getting into the coach speak mode.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Right, he didn't give you any of the trick plays
or what Dack's going to because I want to tell
you right now because the.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Trick plays are coming on from the other side. Is
that is that whereas Johnson is where the trick plays
are so and.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
He said he won't tell Tom Brady anything.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I don't blame don't.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
Yeah, no one's talking to Tom.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
So you guys got to tell me the rules here.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I heard you say something about you can't something about
the kickers off limits for your picks on Fridays, something
about Micah.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
What was that used to be? Mike?
Speaker 7 (37:11):
Okay, facts every week?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Okay, Yeah, it was too easy.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
So I'm gonna tell you right, I'm taking dak on Friday,
So don't take no you can Okay.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
I have to be off limits too if you.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Go on now take you while you can't.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
All right, well, I got that.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
I'm just telling you right now, just because he's got
he's leading the third ranked offense national football right.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I will say this about the Bears giving up the
fifty two points from the Lions and just watching I
went and watched the entire game again last night and
and really consumed it last night, the Bears Lions game,
and that head coach for the Bears could have kept
that score down. There were a couple of instances where
he goes forward on fourth down at midfield, and one
(37:55):
of them was a fourth and five at the field
and the game was already getting away from him, and
they didn't. It was incomplete made no sense, yeah, exactly.
And there was a fourth and one and a half
earlier in quarterback sneak. They didn't get it, and so
you're giving the Lions a short field and so now
it might it might have been thirty eight points instead
(38:16):
of fifty two points.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Going was he trying to out Dan Campbell?
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Dan?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
I think fourth down?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, it's just in his DNA.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
And so that's one thing as far as to look
for in this game, is he is the you know,
riverboat gambler, just like Dan Campbell was, and they can
work to the Cowboys advantage if they can, if they
can stop them on fourth that I.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
Mean, when you see a matchup like that, the ingredients
are totally different. There's a lot of revenge stuff going on.
You know, somebody trying to prove something to somebody else,
or I'm glad that guy left because now I can
show them I'm glad I went with this guy so
I can show him up. All of that emotion that
went into that game. I don't think you can judge
a game like that unless they're playing each other. I
(39:01):
don't think you. I don't think you're going to get
the same negative energy from the Bears going into the
Detroit game that's coming into this game. I think they
would probably be a little bit more poised in there.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Well, they got to play Eberlus Yeah yeah, wow, maybe
maybe as long as he maybe carried away and maybe, Okay,
I'm going to go in and show them. All I
know is Jared Goff had a one fifty six quarterback
rating insane. One fifty eight point three is perfect. He
had one fifty six.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
He missed that.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Last year he completed eighty two percent of his passes
had five touchdown passes. The only reason he did he
wasn't perfect is he only average eleven point nine yards
per attempt. If you average twelve point three yards per attempt,
that's considered perfect.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
You do remember the game last year where he yeah
pretty much did that.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
He was higher than whether it was it higher than
the eating from last.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
Week that was he couldn't have gotten much higher he got.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
I think he did it.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Turns out, turns out it wasn't his offensive coordinator. It
costs to be that good because the offensive last year's
offensive coordinator for the Lions is now the head.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
You gotta know this. That showed me type of thing.
I'm going to show you this, I'm gonna it was.
I thought it was a very emotional game for them,
and sometimes emotion can take you the wrong way, and
it didn't work out at all.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
It was emotional for the Lions, especially coming off a
loss in Week one, that's true.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
And so I got to ask you about those emotions
because ebra Flus going back to Chicago that has to
be emotionally charged for him, and you, as a former
Cowboy player going to the Giants what was that experience
like for you coming back?
Speaker 7 (40:49):
That's why I know what I'm talking about. That's why exactly,
because you know that's that's one of those games where
you know you gotta be careful on how much emotion
you put into it to still stick to the script.
I can't go off script because this is something personal
for me. I still have to play my cover too,
that Belichick taught me. I still have to wait on
(41:10):
LT to give me that pressure so I can make
some plays and I can't worry about trying to shut
down Michael Irvin on a personal tip when I could
just sit out there and play my game, play a
team game, and do what exactly what we came there
to do, which is what that butt.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
And Iberflus was asked that exact question, and he basically said,
you got to keep the process in the preparation the same.
Can't get over it you sorried about Okay, I'm gonna
do this, this and this right we're gonna start blitzing.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Is that from his pressures availability just moments ago?
Speaker 7 (41:41):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
And he also has asked, what does Matt ebra This
is a tweet from Todd Archer, what does Matt Ibraflus
think the reaction to his return the soldier field will
be this week.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
Oh, I didn't hear that one is quote.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
I haven't thought about it.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
That's a lie.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
That's that's why I looked at it.
Speaker 7 (42:00):
So that's a lot.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
I'd better be prepared to get booed out here.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
He won't get introduced, that's probably.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
Yeah, they don't introduce the defensive.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
By the way though, on that topic of he you know,
and he will never reveal that he has any motivation, right, yeah,
going back there. But the way he was let go
by the Bears was not right. Remember it was the
Friday after the Thanksgiving Day game. That was uh, it
was ridiculous how that ended. And they made him he
(42:33):
did a zoom media availability on Friday morning. They made
him do that zoom media availability and then they fired.
Speaker 7 (42:42):
Him after Why does management always do that. I don't
care what the job is. I don't care what the
job is. They fire you at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Man, guys get fired before they get on the plane
to leave, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (42:54):
But you got guys like man, I walk a whole day,
but you knew you were gonna fire me. You could
have fired me yesterday.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
After when I went on they lost to Detroit twenty
three to twenty and he hit time ran out. He
had a time out in his back pocket, is I remember?
Speaker 4 (43:08):
And Caleb DS and time management issues himself, the quarterback
did and.
Speaker 7 (43:14):
That has not changed. He still had.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
It's so weird, man, going back to that draft with
Chicago getting Caleb Williams and the hope for the franchise
and the head coach, it just seemed to go right.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
I've lived their whole existence at quarterback right just right.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Out the window so fast.
Speaker 6 (43:32):
You got to go back to quickly. Yes, you got
to go back to Billy Waye laime. They had a
quality quarterback.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Rex Grossman got him to the super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (43:41):
Well yeah, maybe got there despite him.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
What would do if I had a quarterback here that
got him to the super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (43:50):
What by give him a parade?
Speaker 6 (43:56):
The Bears and quarterbacks? That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
No, man, it hadn't been long, you know what.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
The biggest difference so watching that Bears Lions game, to me, uh,
just on the surface, the biggest lot of take tour
and we got some distractable people there. Heck, man, I
are keeping our focus.
Speaker 6 (44:17):
We're waving today.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
I can't remember what I was.
Speaker 6 (44:23):
Yeahle too.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
But the offensive line, I mean, Caleb he is getting
he's under duress and and the other part of it
is he's not a veteran quarterback, so he doesn't know
what he's looking at and you know, he can move
around and avoid.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Some of that.
Speaker 7 (44:40):
You know, this ruin can ruin him. I mean that
can that kind of consistent inconsistencies, It can really ruin
a player's career. Yeah, you come out with all this
talent and now you don't really know how to use
it until you find the right system or coach that
can can can relay that to you. So I don't
know whether disconnect is coming. They just need to get
(45:03):
better people around him, or do they have to have
better coaches around him.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
It's so weird when you look at a player like
Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville who has struggled mightily, but yet
and still the organization is on board, staying, you know,
supporting him, whereas Caleb in two years, it's like, Hey,
either this year or next year, are you going to
find yourself on the bench for those same issues that
(45:29):
you're talking about, you know, just being reckless and careless
with the ball.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
The first of being the first pick in the draft,
because you've got to produce immediately.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Then usually you don't have a team around you.
Speaker 7 (45:41):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
So then my question is young Caroline Bryce Young, Right.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Which player would you take if you could take Caleb
Williams or Trevor Lawrence? Which which player would you take
just based off of their performance?
Speaker 7 (45:55):
Don't I don't if you're talking about who do you
take with this Chicago team, don't think.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
It matters who would you grade higher? Which which just
based off.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
Okay, let's put it this way.
Speaker 7 (46:05):
Let's put it this way.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
If Jaden Daniels went to the Bears number one overall
last year and Caleb Williams went to Washington, how would
their stories be reading right now?
Speaker 7 (46:15):
It would be different. I do think it would be different.
Just the supporting staff is better off support coaching staff.
But the supporting staff. You guys might know more about
the coaching staff, But I mean, as far as the
players are concerned, it's better players I think in Washington.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (46:32):
Oh well, yeah, although don't you think the Bears first
play is DJ Moore going deep?
Speaker 4 (46:41):
I think you know what their first play was last
week against Detroit. But they lined up Caleb Williams at
wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yes they did, Yes they did.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
It was DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 7 (46:53):
Why they got they got a genius coach.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
Yeah, well the genius coach.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Use the chat g BT by.
Speaker 6 (47:04):
You or I bring back my suggestion.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Unbelievable Bill, you want to you want to say this
out of here?
Speaker 8 (47:12):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (47:12):
Wait, I got one more so when I get these, uh,
the rosters from the other teams, I look at the
coaching staff, see if I saw any names that I recognized?
Hal Harris, how about Ken Norton the third?
Speaker 7 (47:27):
Wow? The third?
Speaker 6 (47:29):
The third? Really Ken Norton Junior's son, Junior Jr. Yeah yeah,
Ken Norton the third.
Speaker 7 (47:38):
Did he play ball?
Speaker 4 (47:41):
We'll have that for you tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I can't google that fast enough.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
He was doing something in l A with I think
movies or something like that, and now he's now in
the coaching See.
Speaker 7 (47:54):
That's the damn good question.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Is really confused the whole.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
Thing with the answer, And we'll have the answer for you.
Every home will have the answer for you tomorrow at
noon on mix shots.
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