March 24, 2025 • 57 mins
A fine tribute is given to Cowboys former radio announce Bill Mercer, one of those men for all seasons who passed away at age 99, including a special guest. Then the guys get into the needs at wide receiver and importance of the running game.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is Mick Shots screaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com
and the official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones,
Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
And it's time for another week of fun on mix Shots,
or another hour of fun this week mix Shots Here
inside the SWBC podcast studio, Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and
Mickey Spagnola. The star of the show wearing his cowboy
blue with a big ol' star on his left chest.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And there's football players on the football field.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
There are well, there was a tour workouts. There was
a tour going by, and so I couldn't stand there
and watch and see what playing. It looks like a
ragtag group.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Actually, well you guys.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
No, no, not the tour. Good people are good people,
My people. Now, the guys out there, they just all
kind of nobody had on anything.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Blue, you know what I mean, So you'll look like cowboy.
You'll appreciate this.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
So watching the rehab group, which in the morning, as
we've seen Sam Williams and that John the tight End,
Steven Stephens Stephens always.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I always forget.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I want to say Phillipsodan Stephens.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yes, brother or brother half brother?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Out there watching the workout was Charles Haley.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Okay, so Charles.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Here first thing in the morning, keeping an eye on
Sam Williams.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
He's going to work out in the workout in.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
No, he's standing there.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
His workout in was last week when I said the
apocalypse is upon us. He had two grandchildren he was watching.
They couldn't have been more than two three years old,
and he's chasing them around on the field and he.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Kind of picks, you know, kind of like what he
used to do.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Yeah, truly too. I said, all the world's ready to
end as somebody's trust in him with grandkids.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
He's granddad.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But anyway, so there was football people out there.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
All right, very good man. It's a beautiful day, beautiful week.
How's your bracket doing.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I didn't do one.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
He didn't do one. I did one. And it's actually
doing better with this transfer portal and nil stuff. There
aren't as many upsets as what.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
They're well they're having.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It has got all the power forward teams that are
in the sweet Sea.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
There's been one and it's too soon to talk about it. Okay,
what I said, there's been one upset and I said its.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Missouri, Missouri, Colorado State. Drake Drake, Oh, Drake, coach just
got a new job. He's now the Iowa coach.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
He got Thank you, he got the job.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I always said to show me, I'll show you, I'll
take care of Missouri.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
And now he's so he just moved right down the road.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That's right, Yep, yep. All right. So there's plenty to
get to, yes, and but off the top, let's pay
tribute to one of the great sports broadcasters of our
era who passed away at the age of ninety nine yesterday,
the great Bill Mercer, who was the Cowboys, the voice
(03:44):
of the Cowboys back in the late sixties and early seventies.
He was actually the original radio voice of the Texas
Rangers baseball team too, in nineteen seventy two. Some of
you may remember him as being the voice of World
Class Wrestling Saturday Night Wrestling on Channel eleven, and he's
(04:05):
probably best remembered for that. And then University of North Texas.
There have been so many sports broadcasters who come out
of that school and it's basically the Bill Mercer school
of sports broadcasting.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And he did a heck of a job.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
And I didn't realize before the Cowboys JFK, JFK and
the Dallas Texans. Okay, Douglas had a cut from him
selling tickets. It was a promo radio promo for the Dallas.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Texans, the American Football League, Dallas Texans.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
But he also has and I think Chris has it,
probably ready to go, a play by play cut from
the Cowboys Super Bowl victory against Miami Dolphins back in
would have been January of seventy two.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Correct tracks in.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
A tight end on the right side, Thomas Garrison of
the backfield.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
All words of them.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Both tight ends are enough. Garrison right, Thomas left, second
to go a three yard line saw back looks to
this left, check to the right at the three. Bet
you out of Thomas. Dwayne up inside of the five
with the rake Thomas.
Speaker 8 (05:19):
He made a great move on ton of Connie, fired
in to the blackfield. Think bring Wayne Thomas left one
side of it, lancedalwarth It looks like the true fatty
and he goes lathy off the field, lapping.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
His hands together.
Speaker 8 (05:31):
Three The Cowboys and wracked them.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Up down to sixteen to three dry for extra point
by Clark. It's up, but it's cut Nollas seventeen Miami three.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
All right, that's when Tom Lander was in a good move.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Wow you think, Yeah, he was never in a good
mood after the great.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Names on that bought a Connie Nick Wanna. Connie started
with Billy Truex was the tidy end for the cowboy
Allworth Glance Awworth. Dwayne. He did say Dwayne to Dwayne. Yeah,
it was on her first name, base Wayne, Dwayne. He
was the only guy in the building that was on
her first name.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Base Teammates that that cut sounds like somebody talking about
Babe Ruth hitting a home run.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
You know that old voice.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, the quick, the quick, Yeah. The boys Yeah, and
all of them like this as if they were Ye.
They were in the choir.
Speaker 9 (06:28):
Like Lindsay Nelson at the night. Some of them for
cutting Lord Johnny Moss out of the twenty five yard line,
one of the Mos out of the fifteen yard line,
Johnny Mousso into the ends, one touchdown out of my may.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
So that's that Oklahoma accent Muskegee Muscogee, Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Muscog Yeah, and Okie from Muscogee.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
He's in the Muscogee High School Athletics Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
All right, so he was a ballplayer too. I guess, well,
you know what.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
And I also read I didn't realize this. He during
World War Two.
Speaker 9 (07:00):
He was.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
In service for three years on a ship and one
of those PT votes too during the whole too.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So he was born in nineteen twenty six. My mom
was born in moschool was from Muscoogee, Oklahoma too, really
about that same era. Not surprised.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
It was something about Oklahoma was was going to grab
him again. He's going to grab us again with something
about this.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
My dad from Okema, Oklahoma, just down the road from
Troy Yeigman's hometown of Henrietta, Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Ninety nine years.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Ninety nine years old. And I actually you remember listening,
Oh yeah, And I was going to mention first that
I actually it was just a couple of years ago,
maybe during COVID. Exchanged some emails with Bill Mercer. I
know what it was. I was trying to track down
he did. He He was the Ranger's voice on when
(08:03):
David Clyde made his debut and in nineteen seventy three.
So this is just a couple of years ago, and
I was trying to track down from a guy who
was mentored by Bill Mercer, Mike Kapps, who was a
longtime radio voice of the Round Rock Express anyway, and
so he got me in touch with Bill Mercer and
we exchanged emails. And what I was amazed about with
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him was, I mean, at the time, he's ninety seven
years old, and he was sharp as attack, even just
with emails, you know, and that sort of thing. But
I answer your question, I remember as a kid in
nineteen seventy two first Rangers game ever was. It was
a week night game on the West Coast at Anaheim
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against the California Angels, and Bill Mercer and Don Drysdale
were the announcers. Oh way, yep, And I remember it
was a school night and so I went to bed
with the transistor radio under my pillow basically and listening
to the Rangers.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Did you guys, did you listen to radio?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
I did not listen to radio, but I was a
wrestling uh aficionado Fishonado and I was a major fan
of while who McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Oklahoma sooner, while who McDaniel, Yeah, play football. This guy
and the Death Erics. Bill Mercer was very close with
Von Erics.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
But I mean I was, you know, young enough to
where you know, the dad was still in good shape.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And did you watch it on Saturday nights? Yes, I
did too.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
That was my grandmother. She died at one hundred and
four years old. But she would sit there and she
would press her hair at night. You know, we had
the women had the hot comb and they would she
would just sit there and just she was fall asleep
watching wrestling, and me and my my cousin, who was
you know, her grandson, we would you just go at
(10:00):
it all the time in that room while she's over
there watching wrestling. She fall asleep watching wrestling. And then
we would be in acting. We're acting what we just
saw on TV. So we're wrestling on the floor, and
then she would get mad at us.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
She would hit us with something.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I don't know what she would hit us with, but
hit us with another hot and you guys stopped doing
on it. So every Saturday night man grandmother's house watching.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Bill Mercer at the North Side Coliseum in Mortatory, mos too.
But the one, the one that was on TV was
at the North side Colisee or that's where I fell
in love with Killer Kowalski. Remember that dominal claw killer
Colonel Coler. It was a spoiler, know that Van Eric
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had the iron cloth?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
No, no, no, it was the spoiler was the mask.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
He had the mask, and.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
They always tried to take off the mask and would
just get right there.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, wa got love it scars. There was now the
one that wore mask.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
And uh yeah, so we should have a special guest
here that we should knows quite a bit about Bill Mercer.
If Chris has online, yeah, you said next segment, next second,
all right, second segment, So I called.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Him the second thing we do.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Okay, he just felt.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
All right, we'll take He just felt left out of
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
We didn't talk.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Do you want to take an early break, then let's
do that. Okay, we're going to take an early break.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
And who do you want to yes, especially half a
North Texas alone George Dunham, who at one point was
the Texas Stadium uh pa announcer and uh knows Bill
Mercer quite well.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
All right, so George Dunham joins us as we go
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All right, very good, All right, we continue with mixed shots.
In a moment. We'll be joined by George Dunham and
we'll talk about the legacy of Bill Mercer, one of
the early Cowboys play by play men and a mentor
to so many in the sports broadcasting community in North Texas.
(15:03):
In the meantime, Cowboys have a couple of gaping holes
on their roster. As we reached sort of the end
of free agency. It's not over yet, obviously, guys can
be signed at a moment's notice. We're through the first wave.
We might be through the second wave already by now
(15:24):
and there, with the exception of Will Greer, there's not
a backup quarterback on this team and a second wide
receiver is another what I would say is a gaping hole.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Yes, because the New Orleans Saints just signed Brandon Cook's
Cooks two year deals.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Where he started at the first round draft pick. It
started his career. That was the news on Friday. So
it's going to be word to stay stay here. Yep,
he wanted to stay. Yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Up to thirteen million. I don't think the Cowboys were
going there.
Speaker 12 (16:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Unfortunately, what is he thirty thirty one, thirty.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
One something in that range? Yep, so fourteen. He was
a young guy from the end of the league in
twenty fourteen.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Three years, one year with the Patriots, two years with
the Rams, three years with the Texans, and then so
two years.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
What did they get with the Calviny it was two
years up to thirteen million. I don't know what. I
haven't seen what the he has seen the guarantee.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But and this last year, remember he he only played
in eight games.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
He uh half a season with like twenty six catches.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
That's because they worked in the death off season twenty
six they worked in the death in training camp.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
No, what happened was he did that deal.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
He was getting those blood platelet injections in his knee,
and it was after the fourth game against the Giants, and.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
He messed up his knee in training camp. He did
because he was getting his ass worked off spags. Yeah,
I'm telling you, no, CD, that's all came from training camp.
Let's just call it like it was.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And then he tried to do the injecting.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Reason that Kyrie got hurt, right, got carried the.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Loads, he tried to do the injection, and he ended
up with an infection, and then the knee really never
came around to the point where he was brandan Cook's,
which was a shame. He was a good guy in
the lock.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
He was having a hell of a training camp as well.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, remember I was saying just what a player he was.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Because I remember talking to Dac about it, and Dak
pointed out that, you know, he got off to a
slow start the year before he goes, But when you're
throwing the ball to CD and you know everything we're doing,
he didn't get much of an opportunity. Plus he got
there late. I think he missed most of the off season.
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So but yeah, he goes. Now you can see what
he can do with no CD there, and then unfortunately
the net thing cropped.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Up and the great influence on those young receivers in
the Cowboys locker room. I mean, you look at the
at the receivers the Cowboys have, and obviously behind CD,
who turns twenty six April eighth, by the way, Cavante,
Cavante turns twenty nine in August. But beyond that, and
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of course Cavante's just three years into the league now.
Jayleen Tolbert going into his free agent year, by the way,
by the way, contract year, he just turned twenty six.
Jalen Brooks turns twenty five, and May Ryan Illinois an
older player coming into the league, is a rookie last year.
He actually is twenty five years old. Jonathan Mingo turned
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twenty four last week. And then Paris Campbell was signed
the veteran at the veteran minimum and he's twenty seven
years old in the second round. Hasn't done much at
all in the league so far.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, he didn't get much of an opportunity in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
All right, that's an ugly list right then, And so
that's that's what I'm saying. That's a gaping hole behind
there is a NFL draft, Okay, drafts a draft, but
I think they need a veteran guy. And that is
an ugly list right there. I think there's a Tyler
Lockett that needs to come into that locker.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Was a couple of veterans. They're ready to go.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah, all right. We now are joined by a very
special guest. Do you believe in the mean green George? Yeah,
George Dunham from sports Radio. Well it was thirteen ten.
Now what's the what is it now? Ninety six point seven.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Ninety six seven? Yeah, you can say the ticket. Okay,
whatever you want to call us, we'll answered it. Just
about anything.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
From the ticket, George. You got Bill Jones, You've got
Everson Walls, and you've got Mickey Spagnola. How are you doing?
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Gosh, I never thought i'd have a day where I
got to talk to Everson Walls.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
That was going on.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
How you doing? But how number twenty four? Absolutely? Yeah,
I'm doing great.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
By the way, almost all of my family went to
North Texas, So is that right? You were in good company,
from my oldest sisters to my youngest niece.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
By the way, that's awesome, awesome. But here's the big
news last night. North Texas advanced right in it. They're
into the quarterfinals, going up to still Wat Oklahoma to
face Oklahoma State on Tuesday night. Tomorrow night'll be packed.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
He's coming from North Texas and Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Well, no one, no one from still Water be there.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
But yeah, they need to rename the tournament the North
Texas Invitational.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Tournament's right.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
They won the one at all with Grant McCaslin, who's
now the Texas Tech coach, as the Red Raiders into
the Sweet sixteen facing coach cal In Arkansas on Thursday.
But George, the reason we've got you here is to
reminisce a little bit about a guy who is very
important in your life and of course as a former
Cowboys radio voice going back to the late sixties and
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early seventies, a great impact on so many sports broadcasters
and came out of the University of North Texas or
going back in the day, North Texas State University, the
great Bill Mercer. Let's let's talk about Bill Mercer and
his impact on you.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Well, yeah, I found out yesterday. I guess Dave Barnett,
who's now the voice of the Mean Green contact to
me and told me the news, and you know, it
was said, there's been a real emptiness uh for a
lot of us, even though Bill was at the age
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of ninety nine. What an incredible life. Even so you
just he just thought, those are the guys that are
you know that they're always going to be there.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
What a life he had, and what a broadcasting life
he had. Bill was just a really kind, kind spirit
and teacher. And I think, you know, with all the
accolades and we can talk wrestling and cowboys in Dallas,
Texas and Chicago White Sox and and all that, but uh,
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he was but you know he was. He was an
instructor at North Texas and the class he taught was
Sports Broadcasting thirty three thirty. It's still taught today by
my good friend Hank Dickinson. And when you took that class,
it was like a rite of passage. You know. I'm
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now in a classroom where where Craig Way once sat,
and Dave Barnett and Ted Davis who was a longtime
voice of the Mavericks and Milwaukee Bucks, and David Hatchett
and all these names that we heard about. Phillis George,
the first female network sportscaster was influenced by Bill and
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his tutelage at North Texas. And this is not an exaggeration.
He impacted thousands of lives. And maybe they didn't go
into broadcasting, maybe they went into something else, or maybe
they never got in front of the camera or in
front of the microphone. But you learn so much from
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Bill's class and when you can sit down and say
it was helped me out with the date here Mick
and Bill, it was New Year's Eve nineteen sixty seven.
I do believe the Ice Bowl and Blackie Sheridan and
I had our coffee in front of us that it
was frozen. And I mean he called the ice Bowl.
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He called North Texas football when Abner Haynes broke the
color barrier ten years before Jerry Lebias did at SMU.
Leon King and Abner Haynes played at North Texas and
what they went through, and he told us those stories
about you know, going on a train to Houston and
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they wouldn't let the North Texas football team stay there
because they had two black players, and so the North
Texas football team stayed on the train. And you know, well,
I got two angry birds in my friend from each other.
Sorry about that, but you know, he just he told
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us stories like that. They were so intact. And there
he was as a young reporter in nineteen sixty three,
and he did news, he did sports, he did Highland
Park football. And here he is in November of nineteen
sixty three getting ready to do a Highland Park football
game and the president of the United States was assassinated
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in Dallas. And there he is at a press conference
surrounded by news men from all over the country. And
it was Bill Mercer who asked Lee Harvey Oswald or
told him, by the way, you've been charged with murdering
the president of the United States, Did you know that
he was an incredible reporter? And all of that being said,
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and whether he was talking to you know, a Von
Eric or Lee Harvey Oswald play by play came back
to it because he could tell a story. He could,
you know, he could. He used to tell us a
story about when he was reporting on a fire Dallas
and he went live and he described it and the
news director apparently told him that's the greatest news report
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I've ever heard. And it was because he was doing
play by play, he was descriptive about the flames and
the smoke and what the firemen were doing, and and
beyond all that, he was just kind.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
You know, he.
Speaker 7 (26:21):
He really was. He was really kind to all of
us and incutting me. And you know, Bill and I
at one point had our differences, and you know, it
was a very complicated situation when I eventually replaced him
as the voice of the Mean Green and some of
that was my fault of how everything happened. And I'm
(26:47):
so thankful that since then, you know, we talked and
he showed such grace and understanding with me, and that's
just you know, the essence of who he was. He
was just careerly a really kind, kind and intelligent man.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
George.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
You didn't get to Dallas in time to be able
to hear any of his broadcast live as a young kid.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
No, I The first I saw of him, ironically, was
when I lived in Chicago and he's sitting next to
Harry Carey. It was he did White Sox baseball and
Channel forty four, and I was there every night for it.
And then when I moved down here, I saw him
doing wrestling and I thought, man, this this guy has
(27:39):
a tough gig. That's the guy I used to do
the White Sox. And here he is, you know, talking
to some wrestler and the chairs being hit over someone
head in the background. And then, you know, I heard
about his legendary status in North Texas when I went there.
But I went there as a business major. And then
I met Craig Miller and he told me that he
(28:01):
was a broadcast major. I didn't even know they had that.
And then I met Bill, and that just changed my life.
It changed the trajectory of what I was interested in.
I you know, I thought, wow, I never even thought
about being a sports broadcaster.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
That sounds great, George, George, George. I wonder what it
sounded like when Bill Mercer and Harry Carey were in
the booth together. How about how about we reenact for
just a moment.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Here.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I'll be Bill, you be Harry Carey, and Wilberwood. The
knuckleballer is on the island for the Chicago White Sox.
And here's the pitch, Harry, you take it from here.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Here's the pitch, and that it's outside for ball four.
You know, you think you pay a guy one hundred
and twenty thousand dollars a year Bill, and they could
get it over the plate. I love it, George, but
you know, and that was that was the thing too
about about Bill. He he was critical without cutting, you know.
(29:02):
And he one thing that he always got on me.
And everyone assumes, oh, you took sports broadcasting. That was
probably a blowoff class. Hey, I did not make an A.
I made a B. And it killed me because you know,
only the best of the best made an A, and
I thought, you know, but again it was one of
those times where he pulled me aside and he said,
(29:24):
I gave you a B because I know you can
be better. And it made me work to get better.
And you know, and again that was just a teaching
moment for him. And yeah, he was and all that
would be enough for a lifetime, But then you you
fight for our country on a little pet boat in
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the South Pacific, and Bill went through some serious battles
and saw some terrible, terrible things and he never really
talked specifics about those arrible things that he saw, but
he that that's part of what made him. I think
he was so intelligent. You know, he was world traveled
(30:09):
and he read a lot and he just knew a
lot and would make references that you know, a students
would look at each other and go, not hear a
boxy where is that?
Speaker 5 (30:21):
You know?
Speaker 7 (30:21):
And but but he would one of the things I
was getting to that he would work with me. He'd
probably be telling me that, right now, smile when you broadcast,
this is supposed to be fun, you know. And I
think I was just sweating bullets trying to get names
and numbers right that I didn't often enjoy the broadcasts.
(30:45):
And it's something I've really worked on through the years.
And he could tell that just by listening to your tape.
You know, he'd say, well, are you smiling? And I'd say, well, no,
well why not. You're at a ball game, you know,
this is this is great and the people who are
listening that want to enjoy the game, they can't enjoy
it if someone's on the other end and all he
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does is criticize and he's not smiling. That's just one
of the I mean, I could go on and on,
which is the helpful hints that he gave as to
make you a better broadcaster, but also just to I
think make you a better person.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
George.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
A couple of years ago, didn't you guys have some
sort of reunion with him.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
With a bunch of the guys that we did, you know,
and this is.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
I thought about this, and I'm so glad we did it.
A few of us got together, a lot of those
names that I mentioned, Craig and Don Harris who you
know Bill really well, and San Antonio and guys we
went to school with, and people and girls that came
before us, and we got a group together from the sixties,
(31:52):
seventies and the eighties and nineties and the aunts. And
of course, if you're going to name anything after or
someone these days, you got to raise money to do it.
But that's just part of the thing. And we raise
some money. And you know, anytime you cover a game
at North Texas and you go to app which is
now back to stadium, and you go to you know,
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the dining services, the media room, it's the Bill Mercer
media room, and there's pictures of Bill. One of his
old headsets is up there. And it was it was
a really cool reunion and it was really neat hearing
from people who were put on the air in the
nineteen sixties, and you know, they were talking about going
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on the air and telling Bill, Hey, I don't agree
with what's going on in our country right now, and
Bill say will say it, you know, and that's that's
your job as a broadcaster. You know, you can you
can have some editorial commentary. And you know, Bill was
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right out there with him, and.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
He was just he was.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
It was almost like a Forrest Gump like life that
he had, you know, the high school Harry Carry, you know, Lee,
Harvey Oswald, Abner Haynes, the minor league baseball teams in
Dallas and Fort Worth that he did, the Dallas Texans
when the AFL came to town, you know. And and
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Bill was right there in the middle of it.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
And perhaps best known for his relationship with the vin
Erics and world class wrestling.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Yeah, and Dave Barnett always quotes that that he was.
They took a poll in Saudi Arabia at one point
it was like the vn Erics, Scan Bar Act Bar
and Bill were the most oder people in Saudi Arabia
at the time. I mean, and when we would go
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on the road doing North Texas and I worked with
Bill as a student, but I came back in nineteen
ninety and we worked together ninety through ninety three and
we would go to Lake Charles, Nakatish, Jonesboro, Arkansas, and
all those stops in Louisiana, and you would think we
were traveling with Elvis when we would walk into a restaurant. Hey,
(34:23):
that's the wrestling guy. Can I have your autograph? Can
you autograph my menu and say that you ate at
my restaurant? I mean, yeah, people loved Bill.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
It's got to like Vern lundquisty Vern Lundquist did so
many great events from the Masters to the Cowboys, NFL,
the SEC. But he's best known for bolling for dollars.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I remember that's right, bowing for dollars. Well, well, George,
we appreciate you reliving some of the memories with Bill
Mercer and great impact on so many I mean, from
you to Craig Miller. I mean you mentioned several of
them there, but there are so many that have gone
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on to great careers. Who mentioned Craig Way with the
University of Texas, Mark Folwell with the Mavericks, Dave Barnett
for decades, and you know, at such an early age
became the Mavericks play by play guy. I think he's
twenty three years old, basically fresh out of the Bill
Mercer School of Broadcasting and so many more, the younger
ones like Ted Emrick and you know, Rich Phillips at SMU,
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and then goes the list goes on and on.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
It really does. And I appreciate you guys talking about Bill.
And it's really been gratifying the last twenty four hours
watching newscast and podcasts and radio and newspaper and they're
talking about Bill and he deserves it because he was
He was a legend. And yeah, they just don't they
(35:53):
don't make them like that anymore, for sure.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
All right, George Dunham from ARGE, we appreciate you joining
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Speaker 3 (38:47):
Right, very good. Great to have George Dunham on and again.
Bill Mercer was the voice of the Cowboys during the
Ice Bowl, first super Bowls and great legacy? Mickey? What
else you got there on your legal pad.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
In our last Well, I think we can pick up
where we left off and look into your big green
notebook on wide receivers. Since we said that there seems
to be a void there, well, I'll.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Called it a sad list. Let's just call it what
it is. Sad. You know, that's a good idea round
to there. It's there aren't very many what I would say,
the Green notebook would say are first round wide receivers,
so you can get a wide receivers later in the draft,
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but there's not the first round. There is T Mac
from Arizona. You you like the Teteroa McMillan. It's his name, Okay,
I couldn't say this first. He's he's a big six
four wide receiver, so he'll go buy T Mac. Yeah.
T Mac is just annoying by T Mac. You like
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Matthew Golden from Texas. And by the way, Texas Pro
Day is tomorrow, and I'm going, are you really yes? Okay?
Like Isaiah Bond too, don't you? Yes?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Okay, That's why I'm going mysel.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Because Isaiah Bond or Matthew Golden. Both of them are
checking out those wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
That's right. I'll have a report out of next Monday.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
They'll have a quarterback throwing to them as well. They
will yours who By the way, the reports are out
there that he has a visit with the Cowboys. Of
course he's a Dallas Day guy. But also there's a
report this morning that yours has thirty visits with a
number of teams, including the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
So the two wide receivers from ut first round, mid round,
late round, too early at twelve.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
I would say it's too early at twelve, But when
you run a four to nine, that's going to catch
the attention, you know. And xavier' Worthy. Now Golden was
at Texas just one year, sixteen games and one year
fifty eight catches. Be it Houston who was at Houston
prior to that for two years. He also has kick
return ability and return two kicks for touchdowns at Houston.
(41:16):
So we saw the run on wide receivers at the
end of the first round beginning of the second round
last year. It just kind of depends where that run
starts this draft at running back is really good. Defensive
line looks to be really deep. Now, what happens on
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that is sometimes because there's so many running backs, because
there's so many defensive linemen, maybe you want to get
your wide receiver earlier because of that, because they'll go
quicker and they're not as deep. Maybe, but so you
never know how it's going to play out. But typically
I think it's you'll find your wide receivers that are
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Golden size five eleven one ninety. But with that speed.
The speed gets him into the first round, and but
the size would put him in the second or third round.
Both of them small. Let me sit fine bond here.
They're both similar size. To answer your question, yet under
six feet yeah for around that.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
But he could be more than a slot receiver.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Gold Golden, Sure, okay, he can play outside.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Well, they've got guys that can play outside. I mean,
all the guys you just mentioned that are the Cowboys
have rights to. I don't know that there's a typical
slot receiver among them. If you think about it now,
they would do well for well. I mean Turpin can
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run out of the slot. CD has done it. In
that group you mentioned the guy that needs an opportunity
and he's got to be able to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Is Mingo.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
I mean, that guy was awfully good at Old Miss,
and he really didn't do much in Carolina. I don't
know if that has to do with the quarterback play
while he was there, but I mean, as a number
two guy outside, pretty darn good. You know.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
I recall when I was playing ball. I mean even
going back to high school, I always knew that the
off season was my ticket. Never was a good first impression. Guy,
never did a wow any coaches right off the bat.
But if you could just just let me work in,
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let me work in, and let me show you what
I can do. You're not going to do that during
the season. Got to do it, and back then we
would do it in the spring. The spring ball was
when you made your move, whether it was high school
or whether it was college, and when you came to
when you came to camp, you better do something to
show people what you got inside of you. I don't
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think he's Mingo has taken that. He hasn't taken that leap.
You have to have that leap. You have to have
confidence in yourself to take that leap, to be able
to say I'm going to go out here and show
you what I show.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
What's going to be crucial for him is here. In
just a couple of weeks, the Cowboys start there, I
mean because.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
They get that coach.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
They get after time he got is April, May and June.
What he shows to the coaches, he got to show
and got to show. Worry.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
If you're gonna be if you're gonna be lukewarm and
doing this time of your career, then that's all you got.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
You can't bring.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
If you can't bring it out of yourself to show
them exactly what you have to have the confidence and
the courage to show them what you can do, then
then you're never gonna go. You're never gonna advance towards
where you are right now. If he's gonna do this,
and we talk about his side, talking about what he
did old miss somehow, he's got to bring that back.
I don't know what happened in Carolina, right, Yeah, I
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don't know what happened in Carolina, but he got to
bring that bag. He has to show and with the
DBS that he has out here. One advantage I had
when I went to the Giants. The Giants didn't have
good wide receivers. So I look good in practice?
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Why didn't this guy playing one?
Speaker 10 (45:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I look great? I mean he can't. You know, no
one could catch anything. He's out here working now against
some dbs that he should be able to beat. He
should be able to show us what he can do
against average dbs. He better starts showing it now because
that list. We are not going anywhere with that list.
I don't care how good your running back is. You've
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got to have some guys that's willing to step up.
And I'm talking about tob It as well. They got
us do more than what I've seen because other while
we're looking at a quarterback who's going to get hurt
again trying to wait for these wide receivers to get open.
You can't just keep looking at one all the time.
You got to look at a team of receivers that
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you can have, that you can depend on like clockwork.
It's got to be the system has to be able
to You have to work within the system to make
yourself good to where you can say, okay, he can
depend on me on second and thirteen. You know he
can depend on me in critical moments of a ballgame.
Right now, I don't know if that list is going
to work it for us.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
I would like to go down the running back road here,
because you've got Pro days this week. We mentioned Texas
is tomorrow, Ohio State is Wednesday. Got a couple of
Pro days today, which two running backs from Ohio State.
A couple of running backs working out today Pro days
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at North Carolina Omari and Hampton, and at Iowa Klee Johnson.
But the two Ohio State guys quin Shawn Judkins and
Travion Henderson. I've been looking at these guys and this
is where cowboys are going to be. They're going to
find them. Well running back. Yeah, my draft in the
draft and it's going to be in the top hundred picks. Okay,
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we're not waiting till the fourth round here, right? Are
we an agreement on that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (47:21):
I agree, because once again that list of y is ugly. Yeah,
that's why you need a running back.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
So when they had the assistant coach interviews.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
The end of Febebruary, yeah, somewhere in there, I was
looking at everything.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Oh, we're looking at some video here. Thirty two for
Ohio State is Travion Henderson five eleven two O two
ran a four to four to three at the forty
ren for one thousand yards seven point one yards to
carry ten touchdowns, had twenty seven for another two hundred
and eighty four yards. Team captain at Ohio State. That
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was it. Those are his senior year overs.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Which one's the Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
This is Ohio State. Number thirty two Treveon Henderson.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Okay, and.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
The other guy Quinn showIn John Judkins Unkins who had
a pretty good playoff run. Both of those guys are
first round picks right.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Well, they could be. They could be first rounders, or
they could because you know teams and team needs and
that sort of thing and feelings about running backs in general.
Number one is Quinn Shawn Judkins.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
How was the injury of history?
Speaker 3 (48:44):
It appears that they've been healthy throughout their career. Now
Judkins here, number one. He's a bigger back, six foot
two twenty one. Ran a four to four eight with
a thirty eight and a half vertical on eleven broad jump,
so he's got a good explosion. Yeah, and he he
started his career at Ole Miss. He was first team
All SEC in twenty three at ole Miss. His first
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year at ole Miss, he ran for fifteen hundred and
sixty seven yards and sixteen touchdowns. And this this year,
I told you what Henderson did at Ohio State with
one thousand yards and ten touchdowns. Well, Judkins had one
thousand yards and fourteen touchdowns.
Speaker 5 (49:23):
And I heard a interview with Henderson yep, And the
question was, so you saw Judkins transferring to Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
What went through your mind?
Speaker 5 (49:41):
Were you thinking, oh, I got to go and he goes, no,
he goes, We're going to compete, and he goes, if
he's that good, then we're going to have a hell
of a competition.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
And this was before the and I'm going, okay, I
like that.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
I like the way he handled the entire interview and
it was from the combine and it's.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Like a Jalen Hurt situation.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yeah, right, And so don't.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
Be afraid of the competition. So what I was going
to tell you when you went into that, if you
look at what the Cowboys have done putting this staff together,
starting with Schottenheimer when he was offensive coordinator Seattle uh
and the Jets, he had dynamic running games. There was
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a couple of times once with the Jets they led
the league in rushing.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
He did it in.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
SEETFC championship game that year, too, right, and Seattle led
the league.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
Also, it's right and so, and then look who he hired.
And I think, I want to say Miles Sanders might
have said it. He goes, they asked him about coming
here in the running game, and he goes, well, you
don't always see the offensive coordinator is an offensive line coach.
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So they have made I think a priority hiring Clayton Adams,
a proven offensive line coach who had been an offensive
coordinator line coach in college the last two years at Arizona,
and they ran the ball and someone said, well, that's
because of Kyle Murray. Well, Murray ran well the first year.
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The second year he didn't have but two hundred yards rushing.
So James Connor was running back, yes, and he flourished.
Arizona's ran for more yards than they had in sixteen
years with him as the offensive line coach. Then you
hire a offensive line coach who had been the OC
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and offensive line coach at Kansas State, Connor Riley, Connor Riley.
And so I'm sitting there looking at this and I'm saying, well,
they seem to be making a priority of this running game.
So when Schottenheimer was walking off when the assistants were
doing the interview, I said, am I right to think
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that you're putting an emphasis on the running game? And
he goes, I'd say that's accurate. And then I said,
and the hires you made.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Was it intentional to boost the running game? He says,
I think so.
Speaker 5 (52:30):
He says, I've been tracking some of these guys for
a long time. And he pointed out that, you know,
when he was an offensive coordinator, he had to put
staffs together, so he kept his eye on some of
these up and coming coaches, not only in the NFL,
but in college too. And then if you look at
Lunda Wells, the tight end coach, well he was an
(52:52):
offensive line He was an offensive lineman at LSU, and
he was an offensive line coach before he got the
tight ends here. So to me, they want to make
this running game go, whether it's the guys they have
now or adding somebody at least one guy in the
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first two rounds.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
All right, One other note on these two Ohio State
running backs. Henderson is the more veteran of the two.
He was at Ohio State for four years. He ranks
top five all time Ohio State running backs. Can you
name any Ohio State running backs from the past starting
with Archie Griffin? Number two on the list JK. Dobbins,
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Three is Zeke four, Eddie George In. Number five is
Trevion Henderson as far as all time rushing at Ohio State.
The other thing that I picked up on from him
is he seems to be really good as a past protector,
a very physical, good blocker, and so he may be
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as a every down back type. He may be more
ready to go right now than Judkins. But I love
Judkins too as far as his strength, Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
I like it. I like well Henderson too. Henderson at
a thirty eight and a half vertical and ten eight
broad jump, both of them are very similar. I like it.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
I like Henderson's running style a little bit better, Yeah,
only because.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
It's more elusive. Yeah to the right, not that he
would be would write more effective. All right, Then there's
North Carolina. They got their pro dated day Omaron Hampton
and a lot of people are ranking him just behind
Ashton Genty is the number two running back. Okay, we
just saw those Ohio State backs. Well, this guy must
really be something if we have if he ranks right
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behind him six foot two hundred and twenty one pounds,
very similar to the numbers on Quinchan Judkins with four four,
six forty and a thirty eight vertical and a ten
ten broad jump. Was the machine broken at the combine?
They're all got the same numbers.
Speaker 4 (54:59):
Yeah, that's just.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
Let's just put this at Hampton at North Carolina the
last couple of years, over two hundred and fifty rushing
attempts over fifteen hundred yards both years and average very
consistent five point nine yards of carry and scored fifteen
touchdowns both years at North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (55:19):
Now, how good are these as receiving backs?
Speaker 7 (55:22):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
Hampton had thirty Hampton had thirty eight catches for three
hundred and seventy three yards and two touchdowns his senior year.
One thing on Judkins with Ohio State, he did not
look as natural catching the ball as what Henderson did too.
And that's the other thing that.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
Well, let's just say we have this issue with wide receivers,
and I just talked about the young man. If you
have a shifty running back that can also be a
good pass receiver. If you have a tight end that's
going to block well for you, then he's going to
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be your best friend in play action. So I'm looking
at this list that we have, not just the wide
receiver list, but the entire roster that we could potentially have.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
If we're going to be running the ball, then those.
Speaker 4 (56:14):
Counters, those other options are going to be extremely important.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Your tight ends got to know how to block and
catch a ball.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
You got to have more than one good tight end
that can do that, and you it'd be best if
you don't have a good number two receiver.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
Then you're running back.
Speaker 4 (56:29):
He needs to be a very shifty and good pass
catching running.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Back as well well.
Speaker 5 (56:36):
And that's where at least one of the two guys
they've signed now Devant Williams, Fonte Williams and Miles Sanders.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
You're going to keep a veteran running back, and.
Speaker 5 (56:49):
Those guys have been pretty good in the passing as
I remembered.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Because Sanders, I think you're keeping both those guys. I
don't think either one of them is Royce Freeman.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Okay, you believe.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
I think you keep both of those guys plus a rookie,
and then Douce fits in if if he can.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
If he can somewhere. But I was looking up there
those guys, or.
Speaker 3 (57:15):
Beat Douce beats out one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 5 (57:19):
And those guys in the passing game previously have been
pretty good catching the ball. Now, Williams had to come
back from his torn acl Actually he hit the triple
crown in knee injury his second year in Denver, so
he's two years removed from it now, so you would
hope that he can get back.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
He had won eight game stretch last year and I
don't know what happened
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And there's football players on the football field.
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There are well, there was a tour workouts. There was
a tour going by, and so I couldn't stand there
and watch and see what playing. It looks like a
ragtag group.
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Actually, well you guys.
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No, no, not the tour. Good people are good people,
My people. Now, the guys out there, they just all
kind of nobody had on anything.
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Blue, you know what I mean, So you'll look like cowboy.
You'll appreciate this.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
So watching the rehab group, which in the morning, as
we've seen Sam Williams and that John the tight End,
Steven Stephens Stephens always.
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I always forget.
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I want to say Phillipsodan Stephens.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yes, brother or brother half brother?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Out there watching the workout was Charles Haley.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Okay, so Charles.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Here first thing in the morning, keeping an eye on
Sam Williams.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
He's going to work out in the workout in.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
No, he's standing there.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
His workout in was last week when I said the
apocalypse is upon us. He had two grandchildren he was watching.
They couldn't have been more than two three years old,
and he's chasing them around on the field and he.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Kind of picks, you know, kind of like what he
used to do.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Yeah, truly too. I said, all the world's ready to
end as somebody's trust in him with grandkids.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
He's granddad.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But anyway, so there was football people out there.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
All right, very good man. It's a beautiful day, beautiful week.
How's your bracket doing.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I didn't do one.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
He didn't do one. I did one. And it's actually
doing better with this transfer portal and nil stuff. There
aren't as many upsets as what.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
They're well they're having.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It has got all the power forward teams that are
in the sweet Sea.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
There's been one and it's too soon to talk about it. Okay,
what I said, there's been one upset and I said its.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Missouri, Missouri, Colorado State. Drake Drake, Oh, Drake, coach just
got a new job. He's now the Iowa coach.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
He got Thank you, he got the job.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I always said to show me, I'll show you, I'll
take care of Missouri.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
And now he's so he just moved right down the road.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That's right, Yep, yep. All right. So there's plenty to
get to, yes, and but off the top, let's pay
tribute to one of the great sports broadcasters of our
era who passed away at the age of ninety nine yesterday,
the great Bill Mercer, who was the Cowboys, the voice
(03:44):
of the Cowboys back in the late sixties and early seventies.
He was actually the original radio voice of the Texas
Rangers baseball team too, in nineteen seventy two. Some of
you may remember him as being the voice of World
Class Wrestling Saturday Night Wrestling on Channel eleven, and he's
(04:05):
probably best remembered for that. And then University of North Texas.
There have been so many sports broadcasters who come out
of that school and it's basically the Bill Mercer school
of sports broadcasting.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And he did a heck of a job.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
And I didn't realize before the Cowboys JFK, JFK and
the Dallas Texans. Okay, Douglas had a cut from him
selling tickets. It was a promo radio promo for the Dallas.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Texans, the American Football League, Dallas Texans.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
But he also has and I think Chris has it,
probably ready to go, a play by play cut from
the Cowboys Super Bowl victory against Miami Dolphins back in
would have been January of seventy two.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Correct tracks in.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
A tight end on the right side, Thomas Garrison of
the backfield.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
All words of them.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Both tight ends are enough. Garrison right, Thomas left, second
to go a three yard line saw back looks to
this left, check to the right at the three. Bet
you out of Thomas. Dwayne up inside of the five
with the rake Thomas.
Speaker 8 (05:19):
He made a great move on ton of Connie, fired
in to the blackfield. Think bring Wayne Thomas left one
side of it, lancedalwarth It looks like the true fatty
and he goes lathy off the field, lapping.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
His hands together.
Speaker 8 (05:31):
Three The Cowboys and wracked them.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Up down to sixteen to three dry for extra point
by Clark. It's up, but it's cut Nollas seventeen Miami three.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
All right, that's when Tom Lander was in a good move.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Wow you think, Yeah, he was never in a good
mood after the great.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Names on that bought a Connie Nick Wanna. Connie started
with Billy Truex was the tidy end for the cowboy
Allworth Glance Awworth. Dwayne. He did say Dwayne to Dwayne. Yeah,
it was on her first name, base Wayne, Dwayne. He
was the only guy in the building that was on
her first name.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Base Teammates that that cut sounds like somebody talking about
Babe Ruth hitting a home run.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
You know that old voice.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, the quick, the quick, Yeah. The boys Yeah, and
all of them like this as if they were Ye.
They were in the choir.
Speaker 9 (06:28):
Like Lindsay Nelson at the night. Some of them for
cutting Lord Johnny Moss out of the twenty five yard line,
one of the Mos out of the fifteen yard line,
Johnny Mousso into the ends, one touchdown out of my may.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
So that's that Oklahoma accent Muskegee Muscogee, Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Muscog Yeah, and Okie from Muscogee.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
He's in the Muscogee High School Athletics Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
All right, so he was a ballplayer too. I guess, well,
you know what.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
And I also read I didn't realize this. He during
World War Two.
Speaker 9 (07:00):
He was.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
In service for three years on a ship and one
of those PT votes too during the whole too.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So he was born in nineteen twenty six. My mom
was born in moschool was from Muscoogee, Oklahoma too, really
about that same era. Not surprised.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
It was something about Oklahoma was was going to grab
him again. He's going to grab us again with something
about this.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
My dad from Okema, Oklahoma, just down the road from
Troy Yeigman's hometown of Henrietta, Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Ninety nine years.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Ninety nine years old. And I actually you remember listening,
Oh yeah, And I was going to mention first that
I actually it was just a couple of years ago,
maybe during COVID. Exchanged some emails with Bill Mercer. I
know what it was. I was trying to track down
he did. He He was the Ranger's voice on when
(08:03):
David Clyde made his debut and in nineteen seventy three.
So this is just a couple of years ago, and
I was trying to track down from a guy who
was mentored by Bill Mercer, Mike Kapps, who was a
longtime radio voice of the Round Rock Express anyway, and
so he got me in touch with Bill Mercer and
we exchanged emails. And what I was amazed about with
(08:25):
him was, I mean, at the time, he's ninety seven
years old, and he was sharp as attack, even just
with emails, you know, and that sort of thing. But
I answer your question, I remember as a kid in
nineteen seventy two first Rangers game ever was. It was
a week night game on the West Coast at Anaheim
(08:48):
against the California Angels, and Bill Mercer and Don Drysdale
were the announcers. Oh way, yep, And I remember it
was a school night and so I went to bed
with the transistor radio under my pillow basically and listening
to the Rangers.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Did you guys, did you listen to radio?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
I did not listen to radio, but I was a
wrestling uh aficionado Fishonado and I was a major fan
of while who McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Oklahoma sooner, while who McDaniel, Yeah, play football. This guy
and the Death Erics. Bill Mercer was very close with
Von Erics.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
But I mean I was, you know, young enough to
where you know, the dad was still in good shape.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And did you watch it on Saturday nights? Yes, I
did too.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
That was my grandmother. She died at one hundred and
four years old. But she would sit there and she
would press her hair at night. You know, we had
the women had the hot comb and they would she
would just sit there and just she was fall asleep
watching wrestling, and me and my my cousin, who was
you know, her grandson, we would you just go at
(10:00):
it all the time in that room while she's over
there watching wrestling. She fall asleep watching wrestling. And then
we would be in acting. We're acting what we just
saw on TV. So we're wrestling on the floor, and
then she would get mad at us.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
She would hit us with something.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I don't know what she would hit us with, but
hit us with another hot and you guys stopped doing
on it. So every Saturday night man grandmother's house watching.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Bill Mercer at the North Side Coliseum in Mortatory, mos too.
But the one, the one that was on TV was
at the North side Colisee or that's where I fell
in love with Killer Kowalski. Remember that dominal claw killer
Colonel Coler. It was a spoiler, know that Van Eric
(10:48):
had the iron cloth?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
No, no, no, it was the spoiler was the mask.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
He had the mask, and.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
They always tried to take off the mask and would
just get right there.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, wa got love it scars. There was now the
one that wore mask.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
And uh yeah, so we should have a special guest
here that we should knows quite a bit about Bill Mercer.
If Chris has online, yeah, you said next segment, next second,
all right, second segment, So I called.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Him the second thing we do.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Okay, he just felt.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
All right, we'll take He just felt left out of
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
We didn't talk.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Do you want to take an early break, then let's
do that. Okay, we're going to take an early break.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
And who do you want to yes, especially half a
North Texas alone George Dunham, who at one point was
the Texas Stadium uh pa announcer and uh knows Bill
Mercer quite well.
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All right, so George Dunham joins us as we go
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All right, very good, All right, we continue with mixed shots.
In a moment. We'll be joined by George Dunham and
we'll talk about the legacy of Bill Mercer, one of
the early Cowboys play by play men and a mentor
to so many in the sports broadcasting community in North Texas.
(15:03):
In the meantime, Cowboys have a couple of gaping holes
on their roster. As we reached sort of the end
of free agency. It's not over yet, obviously, guys can
be signed at a moment's notice. We're through the first wave.
We might be through the second wave already by now
(15:24):
and there, with the exception of Will Greer, there's not
a backup quarterback on this team and a second wide
receiver is another what I would say is a gaping hole.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Yes, because the New Orleans Saints just signed Brandon Cook's
Cooks two year deals.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Where he started at the first round draft pick. It
started his career. That was the news on Friday. So
it's going to be word to stay stay here. Yep,
he wanted to stay. Yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Up to thirteen million. I don't think the Cowboys were
going there.
Speaker 12 (16:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Unfortunately, what is he thirty thirty one, thirty.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
One something in that range? Yep, so fourteen. He was
a young guy from the end of the league in
twenty fourteen.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Three years, one year with the Patriots, two years with
the Rams, three years with the Texans, and then so
two years.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
What did they get with the Calviny it was two
years up to thirteen million. I don't know what. I
haven't seen what the he has seen the guarantee.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
But and this last year, remember he he only played
in eight games.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
He uh half a season with like twenty six catches.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
That's because they worked in the death off season twenty
six they worked in the death in training camp.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
No, what happened was he did that deal.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
He was getting those blood platelet injections in his knee,
and it was after the fourth game against the Giants, and.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
He messed up his knee in training camp. He did
because he was getting his ass worked off spags. Yeah,
I'm telling you, no, CD, that's all came from training camp.
Let's just call it like it was.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And then he tried to do the injecting.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Reason that Kyrie got hurt, right, got carried the.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Loads, he tried to do the injection, and he ended
up with an infection, and then the knee really never
came around to the point where he was brandan Cook's,
which was a shame. He was a good guy in
the lock.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
He was having a hell of a training camp as well.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, remember I was saying just what a player he was.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Because I remember talking to Dac about it, and Dak
pointed out that, you know, he got off to a
slow start the year before he goes, But when you're
throwing the ball to CD and you know everything we're doing,
he didn't get much of an opportunity. Plus he got
there late. I think he missed most of the off season.
(18:15):
So but yeah, he goes. Now you can see what
he can do with no CD there, and then unfortunately
the net thing cropped.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Up and the great influence on those young receivers in
the Cowboys locker room. I mean, you look at the
at the receivers the Cowboys have, and obviously behind CD,
who turns twenty six April eighth, by the way, Cavante,
Cavante turns twenty nine in August. But beyond that, and
(18:45):
of course Cavante's just three years into the league now.
Jayleen Tolbert going into his free agent year, by the way,
by the way, contract year, he just turned twenty six.
Jalen Brooks turns twenty five, and May Ryan Illinois an
older player coming into the league, is a rookie last year.
He actually is twenty five years old. Jonathan Mingo turned
(19:08):
twenty four last week. And then Paris Campbell was signed
the veteran at the veteran minimum and he's twenty seven
years old in the second round. Hasn't done much at
all in the league so far.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, he didn't get much of an opportunity in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
All right, that's an ugly list right then, And so
that's that's what I'm saying. That's a gaping hole behind
there is a NFL draft, Okay, drafts a draft, but
I think they need a veteran guy. And that is
an ugly list right there. I think there's a Tyler
Lockett that needs to come into that locker.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Was a couple of veterans. They're ready to go.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah, all right. We now are joined by a very
special guest. Do you believe in the mean green George? Yeah,
George Dunham from sports Radio. Well it was thirteen ten.
Now what's the what is it now? Ninety six point seven.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Ninety six seven? Yeah, you can say the ticket. Okay,
whatever you want to call us, we'll answered it. Just
about anything.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
From the ticket, George. You got Bill Jones, You've got
Everson Walls, and you've got Mickey Spagnola. How are you doing?
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Gosh, I never thought i'd have a day where I
got to talk to Everson Walls.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
That was going on.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
How you doing? But how number twenty four? Absolutely? Yeah,
I'm doing great.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
By the way, almost all of my family went to
North Texas, So is that right? You were in good company,
from my oldest sisters to my youngest niece.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
By the way, that's awesome, awesome. But here's the big
news last night. North Texas advanced right in it. They're
into the quarterfinals, going up to still Wat Oklahoma to
face Oklahoma State on Tuesday night. Tomorrow night'll be packed.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
He's coming from North Texas and Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Well, no one, no one from still Water be there.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
But yeah, they need to rename the tournament the North
Texas Invitational.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Tournament's right.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
They won the one at all with Grant McCaslin, who's
now the Texas Tech coach, as the Red Raiders into
the Sweet sixteen facing coach cal In Arkansas on Thursday.
But George, the reason we've got you here is to
reminisce a little bit about a guy who is very
important in your life and of course as a former
Cowboys radio voice going back to the late sixties and
(21:33):
early seventies, a great impact on so many sports broadcasters
and came out of the University of North Texas or
going back in the day, North Texas State University, the
great Bill Mercer. Let's let's talk about Bill Mercer and
his impact on you.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Well, yeah, I found out yesterday. I guess Dave Barnett,
who's now the voice of the Mean Green contact to
me and told me the news, and you know, it
was said, there's been a real emptiness uh for a
lot of us, even though Bill was at the age
(22:12):
of ninety nine. What an incredible life. Even so you
just he just thought, those are the guys that are
you know that they're always going to be there.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
What a life he had, and what a broadcasting life
he had. Bill was just a really kind, kind spirit
and teacher. And I think, you know, with all the
accolades and we can talk wrestling and cowboys in Dallas,
Texas and Chicago White Sox and and all that, but uh,
(22:45):
he was but you know he was. He was an
instructor at North Texas and the class he taught was
Sports Broadcasting thirty three thirty. It's still taught today by
my good friend Hank Dickinson. And when you took that class,
it was like a rite of passage. You know. I'm
(23:07):
now in a classroom where where Craig Way once sat,
and Dave Barnett and Ted Davis who was a longtime
voice of the Mavericks and Milwaukee Bucks, and David Hatchett
and all these names that we heard about. Phillis George,
the first female network sportscaster was influenced by Bill and
(23:29):
his tutelage at North Texas. And this is not an exaggeration.
He impacted thousands of lives. And maybe they didn't go
into broadcasting, maybe they went into something else, or maybe
they never got in front of the camera or in
front of the microphone. But you learn so much from
(23:52):
Bill's class and when you can sit down and say
it was helped me out with the date here Mick
and Bill, it was New Year's Eve nineteen sixty seven.
I do believe the Ice Bowl and Blackie Sheridan and
I had our coffee in front of us that it
was frozen. And I mean he called the ice Bowl.
(24:16):
He called North Texas football when Abner Haynes broke the
color barrier ten years before Jerry Lebias did at SMU.
Leon King and Abner Haynes played at North Texas and
what they went through, and he told us those stories
about you know, going on a train to Houston and
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they wouldn't let the North Texas football team stay there
because they had two black players, and so the North
Texas football team stayed on the train. And you know, well,
I got two angry birds in my friend from each other.
Sorry about that, but you know, he just he told
(24:57):
us stories like that. They were so intact. And there
he was as a young reporter in nineteen sixty three,
and he did news, he did sports, he did Highland
Park football. And here he is in November of nineteen
sixty three getting ready to do a Highland Park football
game and the president of the United States was assassinated
(25:20):
in Dallas. And there he is at a press conference
surrounded by news men from all over the country. And
it was Bill Mercer who asked Lee Harvey Oswald or
told him, by the way, you've been charged with murdering
the president of the United States, Did you know that
he was an incredible reporter? And all of that being said,
(25:43):
and whether he was talking to you know, a Von
Eric or Lee Harvey Oswald play by play came back
to it because he could tell a story. He could,
you know, he could. He used to tell us a
story about when he was reporting on a fire Dallas
and he went live and he described it and the
news director apparently told him that's the greatest news report
(26:06):
I've ever heard. And it was because he was doing
play by play, he was descriptive about the flames and
the smoke and what the firemen were doing, and and
beyond all that, he was just kind.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
You know, he.
Speaker 7 (26:21):
He really was. He was really kind to all of
us and incutting me. And you know, Bill and I
at one point had our differences, and you know, it
was a very complicated situation when I eventually replaced him
as the voice of the Mean Green and some of
that was my fault of how everything happened. And I'm
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so thankful that since then, you know, we talked and
he showed such grace and understanding with me, and that's
just you know, the essence of who he was. He
was just careerly a really kind, kind and intelligent man.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
George.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
You didn't get to Dallas in time to be able
to hear any of his broadcast live as a young kid.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
No, I The first I saw of him, ironically, was
when I lived in Chicago and he's sitting next to
Harry Carey. It was he did White Sox baseball and
Channel forty four, and I was there every night for it.
And then when I moved down here, I saw him
doing wrestling and I thought, man, this this guy has
(27:39):
a tough gig. That's the guy I used to do
the White Sox. And here he is, you know, talking
to some wrestler and the chairs being hit over someone
head in the background. And then, you know, I heard
about his legendary status in North Texas when I went there.
But I went there as a business major. And then
I met Craig Miller and he told me that he
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was a broadcast major. I didn't even know they had that.
And then I met Bill, and that just changed my life.
It changed the trajectory of what I was interested in.
I you know, I thought, wow, I never even thought
about being a sports broadcaster.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
That sounds great, George, George, George. I wonder what it
sounded like when Bill Mercer and Harry Carey were in
the booth together. How about how about we reenact for
just a moment.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Here.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I'll be Bill, you be Harry Carey, and Wilberwood. The
knuckleballer is on the island for the Chicago White Sox.
And here's the pitch, Harry, you take it from here.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Here's the pitch, and that it's outside for ball four.
You know, you think you pay a guy one hundred
and twenty thousand dollars a year Bill, and they could
get it over the plate. I love it, George, but
you know, and that was that was the thing too
about about Bill. He he was critical without cutting, you know.
(29:02):
And he one thing that he always got on me.
And everyone assumes, oh, you took sports broadcasting. That was
probably a blowoff class. Hey, I did not make an A.
I made a B. And it killed me because you know,
only the best of the best made an A, and
I thought, you know, but again it was one of
those times where he pulled me aside and he said,
(29:24):
I gave you a B because I know you can
be better. And it made me work to get better.
And you know, and again that was just a teaching
moment for him. And yeah, he was and all that
would be enough for a lifetime, But then you you
fight for our country on a little pet boat in
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the South Pacific, and Bill went through some serious battles
and saw some terrible, terrible things and he never really
talked specifics about those arrible things that he saw, but
he that that's part of what made him. I think
he was so intelligent. You know, he was world traveled
(30:09):
and he read a lot and he just knew a
lot and would make references that you know, a students
would look at each other and go, not hear a
boxy where is that?
Speaker 5 (30:21):
You know?
Speaker 7 (30:21):
And but but he would one of the things I
was getting to that he would work with me. He'd
probably be telling me that, right now, smile when you broadcast,
this is supposed to be fun, you know. And I
think I was just sweating bullets trying to get names
and numbers right that I didn't often enjoy the broadcasts.
(30:45):
And it's something I've really worked on through the years.
And he could tell that just by listening to your tape.
You know, he'd say, well, are you smiling? And I'd say, well, no,
well why not. You're at a ball game, you know,
this is this is great and the people who are
listening that want to enjoy the game, they can't enjoy
it if someone's on the other end and all he
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does is criticize and he's not smiling. That's just one
of the I mean, I could go on and on,
which is the helpful hints that he gave as to
make you a better broadcaster, but also just to I
think make you a better person.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
George.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
A couple of years ago, didn't you guys have some
sort of reunion with him.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
With a bunch of the guys that we did, you know,
and this is.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
I thought about this, and I'm so glad we did it.
A few of us got together, a lot of those
names that I mentioned, Craig and Don Harris who you
know Bill really well, and San Antonio and guys we
went to school with, and people and girls that came
before us, and we got a group together from the sixties,
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seventies and the eighties and nineties and the aunts. And
of course, if you're going to name anything after or
someone these days, you got to raise money to do it.
But that's just part of the thing. And we raise
some money. And you know, anytime you cover a game
at North Texas and you go to app which is
now back to stadium, and you go to you know,
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the dining services, the media room, it's the Bill Mercer
media room, and there's pictures of Bill. One of his
old headsets is up there. And it was it was
a really cool reunion and it was really neat hearing
from people who were put on the air in the
nineteen sixties, and you know, they were talking about going
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on the air and telling Bill, Hey, I don't agree
with what's going on in our country right now, and
Bill say will say it, you know, and that's that's
your job as a broadcaster. You know, you can you
can have some editorial commentary. And you know, Bill was
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right out there with him, and.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
He was just he was.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
It was almost like a Forrest Gump like life that
he had, you know, the high school Harry Carry, you know, Lee,
Harvey Oswald, Abner Haynes, the minor league baseball teams in
Dallas and Fort Worth that he did, the Dallas Texans
when the AFL came to town, you know. And and
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Bill was right there in the middle of it.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
And perhaps best known for his relationship with the vin
Erics and world class wrestling.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Yeah, and Dave Barnett always quotes that that he was.
They took a poll in Saudi Arabia at one point
it was like the vn Erics, Scan Bar Act Bar
and Bill were the most oder people in Saudi Arabia
at the time. I mean, and when we would go
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on the road doing North Texas and I worked with
Bill as a student, but I came back in nineteen
ninety and we worked together ninety through ninety three and
we would go to Lake Charles, Nakatish, Jonesboro, Arkansas, and
all those stops in Louisiana, and you would think we
were traveling with Elvis when we would walk into a restaurant. Hey,
(34:23):
that's the wrestling guy. Can I have your autograph? Can
you autograph my menu and say that you ate at
my restaurant? I mean, yeah, people loved Bill.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
It's got to like Vern lundquisty Vern Lundquist did so
many great events from the Masters to the Cowboys, NFL,
the SEC. But he's best known for bolling for dollars.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I remember that's right, bowing for dollars. Well, well, George,
we appreciate you reliving some of the memories with Bill
Mercer and great impact on so many I mean, from
you to Craig Miller. I mean you mentioned several of
them there, but there are so many that have gone
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on to great careers. Who mentioned Craig Way with the
University of Texas, Mark Folwell with the Mavericks, Dave Barnett
for decades, and you know, at such an early age
became the Mavericks play by play guy. I think he's
twenty three years old, basically fresh out of the Bill
Mercer School of Broadcasting and so many more, the younger
ones like Ted Emrick and you know, Rich Phillips at SMU,
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and then goes the list goes on and on.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
It really does. And I appreciate you guys talking about Bill.
And it's really been gratifying the last twenty four hours
watching newscast and podcasts and radio and newspaper and they're
talking about Bill and he deserves it because he was
He was a legend. And yeah, they just don't they
(35:53):
don't make them like that anymore, for sure.
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All right, George Dunham from ARGE, we appreciate you joining
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Speaker 3 (38:47):
Right, very good. Great to have George Dunham on and again.
Bill Mercer was the voice of the Cowboys during the
Ice Bowl, first super Bowls and great legacy? Mickey? What
else you got there on your legal pad.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
In our last Well, I think we can pick up
where we left off and look into your big green
notebook on wide receivers. Since we said that there seems
to be a void there, well, I'll.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Called it a sad list. Let's just call it what
it is. Sad. You know, that's a good idea round
to there. It's there aren't very many what I would say,
the Green notebook would say are first round wide receivers,
so you can get a wide receivers later in the draft,
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but there's not the first round. There is T Mac
from Arizona. You you like the Teteroa McMillan. It's his name, Okay,
I couldn't say this first. He's he's a big six
four wide receiver, so he'll go buy T Mac. Yeah.
T Mac is just annoying by T Mac. You like
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Matthew Golden from Texas. And by the way, Texas Pro
Day is tomorrow, and I'm going, are you really yes? Okay?
Like Isaiah Bond too, don't you? Yes?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Okay, That's why I'm going mysel.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Because Isaiah Bond or Matthew Golden. Both of them are
checking out those wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
That's right. I'll have a report out of next Monday.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
They'll have a quarterback throwing to them as well. They
will yours who By the way, the reports are out
there that he has a visit with the Cowboys. Of
course he's a Dallas Day guy. But also there's a
report this morning that yours has thirty visits with a
number of teams, including the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
So the two wide receivers from ut first round, mid round,
late round, too early at twelve.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
I would say it's too early at twelve, But when
you run a four to nine, that's going to catch
the attention, you know. And xavier' Worthy. Now Golden was
at Texas just one year, sixteen games and one year
fifty eight catches. Be it Houston who was at Houston
prior to that for two years. He also has kick
return ability and return two kicks for touchdowns at Houston.
(41:16):
So we saw the run on wide receivers at the
end of the first round beginning of the second round
last year. It just kind of depends where that run
starts this draft at running back is really good. Defensive
line looks to be really deep. Now, what happens on
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that is sometimes because there's so many running backs, because
there's so many defensive linemen, maybe you want to get
your wide receiver earlier because of that, because they'll go
quicker and they're not as deep. Maybe, but so you
never know how it's going to play out. But typically
I think it's you'll find your wide receivers that are
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Golden size five eleven one ninety. But with that speed.
The speed gets him into the first round, and but
the size would put him in the second or third round.
Both of them small. Let me sit fine bond here.
They're both similar size. To answer your question, yet under
six feet yeah for around that.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
But he could be more than a slot receiver.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Gold Golden, Sure, okay, he can play outside.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Well, they've got guys that can play outside. I mean,
all the guys you just mentioned that are the Cowboys
have rights to. I don't know that there's a typical
slot receiver among them. If you think about it now,
they would do well for well. I mean Turpin can
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run out of the slot. CD has done it. In
that group you mentioned the guy that needs an opportunity
and he's got to be able to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Is Mingo.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
I mean, that guy was awfully good at Old Miss,
and he really didn't do much in Carolina. I don't
know if that has to do with the quarterback play
while he was there, but I mean, as a number
two guy outside, pretty darn good. You know.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
I recall when I was playing ball. I mean even
going back to high school, I always knew that the
off season was my ticket. Never was a good first impression. Guy,
never did a wow any coaches right off the bat.
But if you could just just let me work in,
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let me work in, and let me show you what
I can do. You're not going to do that during
the season. Got to do it, and back then we
would do it in the spring. The spring ball was
when you made your move, whether it was high school
or whether it was college, and when you came to
when you came to camp, you better do something to
show people what you got inside of you. I don't
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think he's Mingo has taken that. He hasn't taken that leap.
You have to have that leap. You have to have
confidence in yourself to take that leap, to be able
to say I'm going to go out here and show
you what I show.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
What's going to be crucial for him is here. In
just a couple of weeks, the Cowboys start there, I
mean because.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
They get that coach.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
They get after time he got is April, May and June.
What he shows to the coaches, he got to show
and got to show. Worry.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
If you're gonna be if you're gonna be lukewarm and
doing this time of your career, then that's all you got.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
You can't bring.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
If you can't bring it out of yourself to show
them exactly what you have to have the confidence and
the courage to show them what you can do, then
then you're never gonna go. You're never gonna advance towards
where you are right now. If he's gonna do this,
and we talk about his side, talking about what he
did old miss somehow, he's got to bring that back.
I don't know what happened in Carolina, right, Yeah, I
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don't know what happened in Carolina, but he got to
bring that bag. He has to show and with the
DBS that he has out here. One advantage I had
when I went to the Giants. The Giants didn't have
good wide receivers. So I look good in practice?
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Why didn't this guy playing one?
Speaker 10 (45:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I look great? I mean he can't. You know, no
one could catch anything. He's out here working now against
some dbs that he should be able to beat. He
should be able to show us what he can do
against average dbs. He better starts showing it now because
that list. We are not going anywhere with that list.
I don't care how good your running back is. You've
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got to have some guys that's willing to step up.
And I'm talking about tob It as well. They got
us do more than what I've seen because other while
we're looking at a quarterback who's going to get hurt
again trying to wait for these wide receivers to get open.
You can't just keep looking at one all the time.
You got to look at a team of receivers that
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you can have, that you can depend on like clockwork.
It's got to be the system has to be able
to You have to work within the system to make
yourself good to where you can say, okay, he can
depend on me on second and thirteen. You know he
can depend on me in critical moments of a ballgame.
Right now, I don't know if that list is going
to work it for us.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
I would like to go down the running back road here,
because you've got Pro days this week. We mentioned Texas
is tomorrow, Ohio State is Wednesday. Got a couple of
Pro days today, which two running backs from Ohio State.
A couple of running backs working out today Pro days
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at North Carolina Omari and Hampton, and at Iowa Klee Johnson.
But the two Ohio State guys quin Shawn Judkins and
Travion Henderson. I've been looking at these guys and this
is where cowboys are going to be. They're going to
find them. Well running back. Yeah, my draft in the
draft and it's going to be in the top hundred picks. Okay,
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we're not waiting till the fourth round here, right? Are
we an agreement on that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (47:21):
I agree, because once again that list of y is ugly. Yeah,
that's why you need a running back.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
So when they had the assistant coach interviews.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
The end of Febebruary, yeah, somewhere in there, I was
looking at everything.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Oh, we're looking at some video here. Thirty two for
Ohio State is Travion Henderson five eleven two O two
ran a four to four to three at the forty
ren for one thousand yards seven point one yards to
carry ten touchdowns, had twenty seven for another two hundred
and eighty four yards. Team captain at Ohio State. That
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was it. Those are his senior year overs.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Which one's the Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
This is Ohio State. Number thirty two Treveon Henderson.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Okay, and.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
The other guy Quinn showIn John Judkins Unkins who had
a pretty good playoff run. Both of those guys are
first round picks right.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Well, they could be. They could be first rounders, or
they could because you know teams and team needs and
that sort of thing and feelings about running backs in general.
Number one is Quinn Shawn Judkins.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
How was the injury of history?
Speaker 3 (48:44):
It appears that they've been healthy throughout their career. Now
Judkins here, number one. He's a bigger back, six foot
two twenty one. Ran a four to four eight with
a thirty eight and a half vertical on eleven broad jump,
so he's got a good explosion. Yeah, and he he
started his career at Ole Miss. He was first team
All SEC in twenty three at ole Miss. His first
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year at ole Miss, he ran for fifteen hundred and
sixty seven yards and sixteen touchdowns. And this this year,
I told you what Henderson did at Ohio State with
one thousand yards and ten touchdowns. Well, Judkins had one
thousand yards and fourteen touchdowns.
Speaker 5 (49:23):
And I heard a interview with Henderson yep, And the
question was, so you saw Judkins transferring to Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
What went through your mind?
Speaker 5 (49:41):
Were you thinking, oh, I got to go and he goes, no,
he goes, We're going to compete, and he goes, if
he's that good, then we're going to have a hell
of a competition.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
And this was before the and I'm going, okay, I
like that.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
I like the way he handled the entire interview and
it was from the combine and it's.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Like a Jalen Hurt situation.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yeah, right, And so don't.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
Be afraid of the competition. So what I was going
to tell you when you went into that, if you
look at what the Cowboys have done putting this staff together,
starting with Schottenheimer when he was offensive coordinator Seattle uh
and the Jets, he had dynamic running games. There was
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a couple of times once with the Jets they led
the league in rushing.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
He did it in.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
SEETFC championship game that year, too, right, and Seattle led
the league.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
Also, it's right and so, and then look who he hired.
And I think, I want to say Miles Sanders might
have said it. He goes, they asked him about coming
here in the running game, and he goes, well, you
don't always see the offensive coordinator is an offensive line coach.
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So they have made I think a priority hiring Clayton Adams,
a proven offensive line coach who had been an offensive
coordinator line coach in college the last two years at Arizona,
and they ran the ball and someone said, well, that's
because of Kyle Murray. Well, Murray ran well the first year.
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The second year he didn't have but two hundred yards rushing.
So James Connor was running back, yes, and he flourished.
Arizona's ran for more yards than they had in sixteen
years with him as the offensive line coach. Then you
hire a offensive line coach who had been the OC
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and offensive line coach at Kansas State, Connor Riley, Connor Riley.
And so I'm sitting there looking at this and I'm saying, well,
they seem to be making a priority of this running game.
So when Schottenheimer was walking off when the assistants were
doing the interview, I said, am I right to think
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that you're putting an emphasis on the running game? And
he goes, I'd say that's accurate. And then I said,
and the hires you made.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Was it intentional to boost the running game? He says,
I think so.
Speaker 5 (52:30):
He says, I've been tracking some of these guys for
a long time. And he pointed out that, you know,
when he was an offensive coordinator, he had to put
staffs together, so he kept his eye on some of
these up and coming coaches, not only in the NFL,
but in college too. And then if you look at
Lunda Wells, the tight end coach, well he was an
(52:52):
offensive line He was an offensive lineman at LSU, and
he was an offensive line coach before he got the
tight ends here. So to me, they want to make
this running game go, whether it's the guys they have
now or adding somebody at least one guy in the
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first two rounds.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
All right, One other note on these two Ohio State
running backs. Henderson is the more veteran of the two.
He was at Ohio State for four years. He ranks
top five all time Ohio State running backs. Can you
name any Ohio State running backs from the past starting
with Archie Griffin? Number two on the list JK. Dobbins,
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Three is Zeke four, Eddie George In. Number five is
Trevion Henderson as far as all time rushing at Ohio State.
The other thing that I picked up on from him
is he seems to be really good as a past protector,
a very physical, good blocker, and so he may be
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as a every down back type. He may be more
ready to go right now than Judkins. But I love
Judkins too as far as his strength, Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
I like it. I like well Henderson too. Henderson at
a thirty eight and a half vertical and ten eight
broad jump, both of them are very similar. I like it.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
I like Henderson's running style a little bit better, Yeah,
only because.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
It's more elusive. Yeah to the right, not that he
would be would write more effective. All right, Then there's
North Carolina. They got their pro dated day Omaron Hampton
and a lot of people are ranking him just behind
Ashton Genty is the number two running back. Okay, we
just saw those Ohio State backs. Well, this guy must
really be something if we have if he ranks right
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behind him six foot two hundred and twenty one pounds,
very similar to the numbers on Quinchan Judkins with four four,
six forty and a thirty eight vertical and a ten
ten broad jump. Was the machine broken at the combine?
They're all got the same numbers.
Speaker 4 (54:59):
Yeah, that's just.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
Let's just put this at Hampton at North Carolina the
last couple of years, over two hundred and fifty rushing
attempts over fifteen hundred yards both years and average very
consistent five point nine yards of carry and scored fifteen
touchdowns both years at North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (55:19):
Now, how good are these as receiving backs?
Speaker 7 (55:22):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
Hampton had thirty Hampton had thirty eight catches for three
hundred and seventy three yards and two touchdowns his senior year.
One thing on Judkins with Ohio State, he did not
look as natural catching the ball as what Henderson did too.
And that's the other thing that.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
Well, let's just say we have this issue with wide receivers,
and I just talked about the young man. If you
have a shifty running back that can also be a
good pass receiver. If you have a tight end that's
going to block well for you, then he's going to
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be your best friend in play action. So I'm looking
at this list that we have, not just the wide
receiver list, but the entire roster that we could potentially have.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
If we're going to be running the ball, then those.
Speaker 4 (56:14):
Counters, those other options are going to be extremely important.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Your tight ends got to know how to block and
catch a ball.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
You got to have more than one good tight end
that can do that, and you it'd be best if
you don't have a good number two receiver.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
Then you're running back.
Speaker 4 (56:29):
He needs to be a very shifty and good pass
catching running.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Back as well well.
Speaker 5 (56:36):
And that's where at least one of the two guys
they've signed now Devant Williams, Fonte Williams and Miles Sanders.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
You're going to keep a veteran running back, and.
Speaker 5 (56:49):
Those guys have been pretty good in the passing as
I remembered.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Because Sanders, I think you're keeping both those guys. I
don't think either one of them is Royce Freeman.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Okay, you believe.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
I think you keep both of those guys plus a rookie,
and then Douce fits in if if he can.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
If he can somewhere. But I was looking up there
those guys, or.
Speaker 3 (57:15):
Beat Douce beats out one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 5 (57:19):
And those guys in the passing game previously have been
pretty good catching the ball. Now, Williams had to come
back from his torn acl Actually he hit the triple
crown in knee injury his second year in Denver, so
he's two years removed from it now, so you would
hope that he can get back.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
He had won eight game stretch last year and I
don't know what happened
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