September 23, 2025 • 50 mins
Great update on injuries suffered by CeeDee Lamb and Tyler Booker, plus the players expected to be the next man up and the next man after that. One more time going over three defensive play mistakes and how this offense needs to bail out the Cowboys.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
This is mick Shots, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And the official Dallas Cowboys at.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Now Here are Bill Jones, heck Ma Harrison, Everson Wolves,
and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
And we're looking on the bright side on a Tuesday
at high noon here inside the SWBC podcast. Heck Ma
Harrison says, come on in, it's time for mickshots. Heck
Ma Harrison, Mickey Spagnola, And well, let's just put it
(00:52):
this way. This Cowboys team is doing a better than
a Cowboys team up north of the border in Oklahoma. Okay,
you've seen Oklahoma State play yeah or not play?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah? Yeah, it hadn't been good.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah, So there's that because it's the bright spot and
right side.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Right side? Isn't there a song, mister brightsiders.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Okay, there you go. We should start the show with that.
All right, We've got much to get to. We heard
from a head coach since we last convened. We heard
from an owner, president and general manager since we last convened,
and perhaps we that shed some light on what happened
on Sunday in Chicago, and we look ahead to Micah
(01:38):
and the Packers coming here on Sunday night.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Can you hear Jerry's answer to that question?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well, I first heard this was yesterday. The question was
posed to Jerry. I don't know who posed it to
Jerry about will there be will the Cowboys honor Micah
with some sort of a video or something? It was
like this, and I had the same reaction you just
had on your face. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Like, was Leloy Leroy Jordan coming back to town or something?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I mean, okay, just compare it to Luca for a second. Okay,
Luca was here much longer than a couple more seasons
anyway than Micah was here and took the team to
the NBA Finals the year before. I mean, I was
(02:32):
just stunned that that was even a thought.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I was shocked that he had to answer it and
then answer it again this morning.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Did he really? Okay?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Okay, no ever since did you ever come back here
and play? Did did you play a game at Texas
Stadium after you left? Okay? And did they do a
video for you?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
No interceptions?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, Jimmy wasn't having that. Neither was jar Have we
honored anybody here this year at all.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I don't remember them ever doing that for a player
coming back before a game. Just remind me, Oh, they
do it for Emmett?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
They probably did. Of course they play when it came
back with it came back and did play. Okay, I
know the first preseason game after Emmett went to the
Cardinals was in two thousand and three. Uh it was
at eric Cowboys played at Arizona. Okay, we did that game, Mickey.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
That's right, we did.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
But it was a preseason again, right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It was a silly question. It was a silly question.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
I mean, I'm glad he didn't just give them a
condescending answer to it, but still like that onmeo G.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I'm just saying, should explain those who are not.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I'm sorry, I haven't seen this one right here?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's it? Is it a new edition?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Like Everson is admiring.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
He's just seeing me for the first time.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
He's been in the room for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Shirt that is wearing. How would you describe your shirt?
Speaker 6 (04:16):
It's maybe twenty five Yeah, maybe it's baby blue shirt.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Nice man, title book.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
I see, because we should get shirts. Man, we don't
get shirts. We do Q and as speak. We should
get shirts. Man, they said, just give us one shirt.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
We got Star Sports Tour sh.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah, but man, we need that too.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I think he bought the polo because that's a great look.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
It's not a pole. That's the new order of quarter button.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And then he got a star and taped it on iron.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It didn't come to that yet. I'm definitely going to
the pro.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Shop the Nike collection.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Yeah, that's nice, that's twenty twenty five. Yeah, come on,
man's right upstairs. Man, you know it's right up there. Man,
you can get you one a discount.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, sure he does.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I don't think he did, of course. Kiss you may continue.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
William signed, continuing Where were all?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
So, Jerry?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They asked Jerry if there was any more meaning to
this game against the Packer because Micah was coming back,
and he said, yes, yes, got to win.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So and not because Mike is going back. They got
to win period.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I have nothing, but if there's more importance to it,
I guess it was probably the question.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So yeah, that was that was amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
To me, so so so Booker Booker yes, high ankle spring.
Probably same as Ceedee Lamb Ceedee Lambs three to five
weeks with a high ankle spring, I've been told, and
I would imagine Booker's probably in the same boat, except that,
at least for an offensive lineman, he doesn't have to
(05:58):
run ten fifteen yards, so it maybe maybe you can
get back quicker.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
He's still a three pounds man.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
Yeah, I think of what he had been on Michaeh's
side of the field.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, well, they'll put Michael wherever there's a backup now, okay, right,
so I think that fast and brock Kaufman be ready.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Well tell you guys. I mean we'll get into this
as the week goes on. But how much will.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Number?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
What numbers he worn again?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Fifty two?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
What number is Michael wearing?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Zero?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
One, one, one? Okay, I can remember zero or one.
I think Matthew Golden has zero for them, first first
player wearing number one since Ernie Lambeau War number one
for the Packers hundred years ago. No, it's true, it's true, yeah, man.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
But how much you and he's turning in his grave too, I.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Bet he is.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And that was just because he was the first player
on the roster. Lambeau was, and so they didn't really
have numbers back then.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
But now he's got a stadium now.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And a leap named after him as well. But how
much is number one going to be on the minds
of the two tackles that are starting this game when
you're talking about matching up, matching up and finding weaknesses
on the offensive line, He's going to be in there.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
When the clock went zero, zero zero, That's that's when
they started thinking about Micah.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That is a crazy matchup.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
They will have a tight end in motion to any
side he's on.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
The tight end's going to be a yeah, Mike. If
Michael the tight ends coming back, it be like it's
going to be like when a team puts a man
in motion to see if the obvious lead, to see
if the defense is playing a man or not. Okay,
And so if mic is moving around, the tight end
is going to go in motion to wherever mic is.
(08:00):
You're gonna married or you're.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Gonna use two tight ends all the time just in case.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
But we're not worried about him, No, not at all.
We're not worried about it. Hell yeah you are, Oh
yeah you are. Oh yes you are. Yeah, you're gonna
have her.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
You're gonna have no, no, You're gonna have somebody watching
him from the moment he gets off the bus. Uh,
going into the locker room. Man, this is a challenge
for us. And I guess my worry is is guiding
And I know, look, you're gonna sort her a tight
end to him and say, hey, you guys are buzz
and buddies. But that's that's gonna limit that's gonna limit
(08:36):
your offense. And I guess you're already limited. Uh anyway,
But I guess the question I had, even with Booker
going down after the whole CD thing, that we knew
he was gonna be out. Do you guys, Are you
guys one of those podcasts that believe in the next
man up?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Mentality? Yes? Is that what your deal?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
I don't know about them, but yes, I've always started
next man Now. The Cowboys entire existence was always out
the next man up. You always have these big time
first rounders, but then here come these guys, undrafted free
agents from somewhere, a low round pick from somewhere.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
They've stepped up.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yes, it's a yeah story of the NFL.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I mean yeah, Well, the Cowboys have always really been
good at it, especially the way we.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Sign all across the league. Monsters are Yeah, I'm a next.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Man up guy.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, so guys like TJ.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Bass and we already talked about brock Hoffman stepping in
for BB. That's gonna be a problem because you know
where Green Bay's gonna try and attack us, and it's
gonna be the middle of the field to try and
stop our running attack. That's literally from the edges, you
know what they have with Gary, But in the middle
of the field with with with like you said, he's
going up against backups. They're gonna put Michael Parsons right
(09:46):
in that.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Again, well, camp, just make them play the run, do
we Okay, make them play the run.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
But here's the other thing. When you think of the
interior offensive lineman for the Cowboys, Now, okay, when when
you put the roster together back in March, in April
free agency and the draft, how many of those guys
interioror offensive linemen have you now lost? You lost Robert Jones,
who's a veteran guy, lost him early, You lost him
in training camp. Okay, he's done. You've lost Cooper BB
(10:17):
and have You've lost Tyler Booker. So there's you're Tyler
Smith is at the top of the rung. There is
your top interior offensive linemen. So you've lost three of
your top four offensive lineman as you put this or
offensive interior offensive lineman as you put this roster together
back in the off season.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
See and the deal with next man up? Okay, he's up.
Who's the next man to the next man? And now
you're getting real thin right on the offensive?
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Well, one thing you worry about with Green Bay, I mean,
they were already a good defense before Micah got there.
So while we're talking about who's going to be moving
with Michael, you still got guys at are on this defense.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
At least they don't have Kenny Clark over there now.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Well, so sorry, they got Wyatt and then they got
what they're waiting on Kenny.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I'm still waiting on kid.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, what's the what?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
What has this team done consistently?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Well?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
The first three games run the football?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
They ran the football three one hundred yard games in
a row, and I went and asked and got looked up.
The last time they've had more than three in a
row was five in two thy and twenty three.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Not that long ago.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
No, yeah, but it's been a while. I mean to
have five and more than three in a row. So
now you and.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Joseph it was last year, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Until the second half.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
That show, I was gonna go back to the seventy
six two years ago.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
But look here, here's the the problem is is what
you said, like, we got TJ. Bass because TJ Bass
would have been the backup to the center and both guards.
And now you bring again Hoffman. Hoffman, yes, Hoffman the center.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Now he's got to play center.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
And so your swing tackle is well, your backup swing
tackle is Nate Thomas.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
No, yes, okay, backups tackle.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Backup tackle is Nate Thomas.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Right, So who's out Trevor who.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Came up, came in the first week of the season.
They picked him up from the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Okay, well, he's going to be the backup center because
previously Bass could have done.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Or is Wesley French the backup center? Well the practice
squad who actually, well, yes, he's the he's the only
one who actually has played center in an NFL game.
Wesley French, who played for Indianapolis two years ago, was
hurt last year, and so he's on the practice squads
and that's who they signed last week.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
But remember, you got to have eight offensive linemen active
to be able to take two guys off the practice field,
I mean practice squad to elevate whether going to have
eight active.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
I literally only bring that point up because being limited
versus a defense like Green Bay, it does not count
well for us because you can say, because of Micah, Okay,
run the ball, but it's not just Micah and a
bunch of guys on defense.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
They can't stop the run.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
This is where I was, and he said that it's
not like he's playing with the Cowboys from the last
couple of year. He's got a better supporting cast, so
that gives him even more leeway to be to freelance
or whatever they do, because I haven't seen him really
running the ball much on Green Bay since he's been there,
and that's been a problem for us when Michaeh was here.
(13:41):
But now Michaeh is there and he's got a better
supporting cast.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And he's a big reason that Rashaun Garry already has
four and a half sacks of rusher.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
If it would be it'd be nice if we could
just run on any part of that defense. I wouldn't
necessarily target Carson to run on. I'd say, you just
better do what you do best, which is run the football.
Right now, I wouldn't say I wouldn't worry about where
Micah is. I think you just worry about where the
rest of the Green Bay Packers defense is because they
are good, by the way.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
And then hold on to it after your thirty yard run.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, and by the way, the other major injury issue
that the Cowboys are dealing with right now, Ceedee Lamb.
This goes back to why it was so important, yes
to make the trade for George Pickens back in May,
because if you didn't have George Pickens on this roster,
where would you be when Ceedee Lamb goes down with
(14:37):
an injury.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
That's I mean.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
And going back to the Bears game, it seemed like
where I was thinking the spotlight was going to shine
on George Pickens, it ended up shining on our tight
end instead. Ferg ended up getting more targets. And that's
the part of the game that I think. Look going
into this game versus Green Bay, we have to be
able to stretch the feel a lot.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
More we did.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Then then when we need to, we need to throw
deeper pass, you know, and give them that threat because
they play for us to run these short routes. Pickens
is running a short route over here. They probably had
a safety favoring his side.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
If not, right, they got no.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Everybody else is one on one, So they say, you
know what, my outlet, which is a smart outlet for
any quarterback, is a good tight end that you can
that you can take.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You know why the safeties were playing downtown Chicago right right,
they were ten to fifteen yards behind when they were
lined up ten yards and they were backing up. So nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Let me go on over there. Let me give you
the perspective that I heard this morning from Chicago Bears
safety Kevin Byard. Byard, who had got his thirtieth career interception,
yeah late in the game.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
On by the way, is he your brother in law
or something? Every time I hear Bill speak, he's got
bired on it.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
He just happened to be on serious NFL this morning
and listening to him, man, that guy is eloquent. He's
got some Everson Walls in him. Okay, he's going to
go into broadcasting after I mean, just the way he talks,
he's going to go into broadcasting after his Anyway, he
had great insight, I thought in regards to why Jake
(16:24):
Ferguson got so many targets in that game, and he
attributed it to Dennis Allen's defense. And it was more
so a case especially with the Bears with a lead
in the game and the Cowboys, but it had more
to do with what Dennis Allen does with his pass
rush and how it affected the Cowboys protection of Dak Prescott.
(16:49):
When you're putting six seven guys up on the line
of scrimmage and you're able to do that because you've
got a seventeen point lead in the game, okay, and
the offensive line has no idea who's coming. And so
basically he was saying that what Dak had to do,
he had to go. He had to check it down
all the time every play because they didn't know who
(17:11):
was coming on any particular play. So he gave a
lot of credit to Dennis Allen's defense and just his
scheme as far as that goes, And and other teams
do that too.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Well to us, and that's what I'm out that early
last week.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
But the key on that is is having the lead.
You got to have the lead where the team is
one dimensional and they and they don't you don't care
whether they're running the football or not at that point
in the game when they're down seventeen.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
You heard what you heard. You heard what Tom Brady
said about Dennis Allen right in the broadcast.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, he said he didn't even like speaking about him.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
He's he didn't like speaking to him because he he said,
it was so infuriating to have to play against his
defenses that he goes up before you know how, before
the game all brotherly learn them lost stuff out there.
He goes, I didn't want to talk to him. He goes,
he frustrated me so much.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
You know, it's frustrating about this though, Dennis Allen. For
two games, his defense was lifeless. They had zero sacks,
they had no turnovers. And then shows up the Cowboys
and all of a sudden, everybody's screaming, Dennis House.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
You know, let's just let's see Allen. Let's talk about
next week.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You know it, Well, come on, how the Viking revitalized
everyone Viking?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
His defense, his defense played really good. The first three
quarters of the Vikings game and then everything went sideways
in the fourth quarter. And his defense didn't do anything
last week against the Lions because the Lions were playing
with a seventeen point lead in the game and he
couldn't do this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And Baldemore's defense didn't do anything against the Lions. Excuse
me last night gave up thirty eight points.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Well hey, And to the Lions credit and Campbell's credit,
their offensive line is pretty good. And I love the
way since we're talking about being kind of yeah healthy,
but at the same time there for coumbo blocking and
then getting to the second level. If we are shorthanded,
why don't we take that same philosophy into this game
(19:07):
versus the Packers. If we played on keeping our running
game going well.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
One thing that we have we talked about last last week.
The Cowboys weakness on offense is pressure and I mean
showing blitz pressure. It always takes us out of our game.
I think so, and that I know so that that
is when we don't do well on the road because
we're usually in that particular situation. We have, uh that
(19:32):
checking at the line, as you talked about all the time.
And now you want down one receiver. Yeah, they should
look good. They should have looked good on Chicago's as
a Chicago's defense, because we'll showed our number one receiver,
we're trying to run the ball, but now we don't
have a defense that can stop anybody. That sounds extremely
familiar to last year, but ever since.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
When you have a quarterback that's been in the league
as long as Dak has, shouldn't that be something that
innate You know he understands as that pressures coming. Because
all I saw Dennis doing was presenting pressure and then
dropping guys out. And if that was the most confusing
thing he was doing, then he's been seeing this his
whole life as a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
And those that has his supporting staff, it's more it's
more so how much how much does he try his
offensive line.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Picking it up and.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Wide receivers normal, Well, that's another confident, that's another conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
So what's worse missing two guys on the offensive line
or missing Lamb?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
It's missing Lamb, that's just me.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Those are two Those are quote to quote unquote veteran guys. Yes,
that are replacing a rookie in a second year guy
on the offensive line.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Who we're going through now.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I'm just I'm just I'm just thinking about what.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Ron Kaufman and started seven games last year. T J.
Bass has started games before in this league. Their center
and the.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
You can always help offense lineman on protection. You can
scheme something, but you don't need to have just anybody
out there playing CD Lamb.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
That's just the difference. That's the playmaker that you need.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
When it comes to offensive lineman, we can, we can
design assistance for them.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
We can't get another CD Lamb.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Out there, No, no, no, And I don't and I don't
believe that we can either. But I just when we're
compromised at the offensive line and you have a quarterback
that already doesn't have the confidence in this offensive line,
I think that pretty much puts everything up for grass
because now you're gonna you're gonna be one dimensional in
one way or another.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
You're gonna be one dimensional.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
And I think the way that CD Lamb was eating
was because that running game was also adding the balance
as well. So the two offensive line to me, I mean, well, Tomato, Tomatow, yes,
up to you, what what team you want to go with?
Speaker 6 (21:47):
I think we stay more diverse if we have a
CD Lamb out there versus being one dimensional looking for
pickings your boys, other boys not getting open, and now
we're trying to run the ball on the on the
team that knows we have the ball.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
So yeah, I'd better go with that.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Well, And I would say that scoring fourteen points in
that game the other day I had a lot to
do with the fact that CD Lamb wasn't on the
field for most of the game.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Oh, Mickey, I.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Couldn't process what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I got you. Yeah, not having CD right, but.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
We got to definitely score more than fourteen points. That
was all right.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I'm going to hear Mickey's take on what the head
coach had to say about the three big plays given
up by the Cowboys defense against Chicago and after watching
the film, what actually happened on those plays when we
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Speaker 3 (25:34):
Very good, ever, so nice read there. Mickey asked a
question right before we came back. He asked, though, and
he's perusing his legal fight trying to figure out when
CD got hurt in the game. It was the sixth
offensive play of the game for the Cowboys, Mickey, it
was early sixth offensive play of the game and second
second series of the game.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Keep seeing that replay, and we are so lucky that
he didn't break that ankle because it looked like it
was a hip drop.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, that's what when I went back and look at
the way the guy tackled him and and kind of
had around his ankle.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Yeah, they did not look They didn't call it in
real time and they looked, but the way that he
brought him down and the way that he came back
on this.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, So what is a running style that CD has too?
I mean he's fighting forevery yard and.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
You know, use it breaks that tackle, That's what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
So at that time, the game was only seven to nothing, right,
and then they drove for a field goal the rest
of that drive.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Kind of a different deal when you're running from the
running back position rather than in the open field.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I'm not as I'm not as upset about them putting
him at the running but I was upset about it
on Sunday. But I understand, get your playmakers the ball. However,
you can reverse put him in the back field out
of direct snap to him if you know. Teams have
done worse. So I'm I understand. I'm putting me putting
him in the backfield this year.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I believe he did a lot. I mean a few
times last year.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, the Bears did it with Dj Moore, didn't they?
They had sure carried four times.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
But Dj Moore is built like yeah, he's built for it,
like more running back.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Like you said, I heard somebody yesterday talking about Debo
and the way the Commanders are using Debo in the backfield.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I know that's a long way of the way, but
now that's the way they.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Were using him.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, Bears going to start doing it with Luther Burden.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
You watch why is that Mickey get all in his hands?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Okay. Mickey Coach was asked about the defensive busts on
the big plays in the game on Sunday, starting with
the Romo Doonza touchdown, which was a third and eight
play at the Dallas thirty five yard line where Trayvon slipped.
What was the explanation that might have been a little
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too tight. It's too tight considering the situation. Okay. It's
third and eight at the thirty five at the Dallas
thirty five yard line, Okay, and that's when Trayvon's going
to go play press. Yeah, they got eight yards for
they need eight yards for a first down. And when
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you consider what the mindset of the offense is here,
and by the way they put Zakias a slot guy
in motion, they already they detected that the Cowboys were playing. Man,
if they didn't already know it, since Trayvon was pressing
on the outside, that just confirmed it for the young quarterback.
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And so it's an easy I mean, he was going
to go to odoon'sday no matter. Well, even if Trayvon
didn't slip, because it was going to be a safe
go route down the sideline. Right.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
I thought that CD played I'm sorry, I thought that
Trayvon played with more panic than poise. You know, when
you're dealing with the limitations that he's got physically, then
you just have to understand you can't make any gambles.
He gambled too much on that when the man came
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in motion, that's when Diggs came up. He tried to
sneak up on him. You know, he tried to surprise
him with that surprise jam. Your body ain't ready for
that right now. You know, you need to just stay back.
Either stay solid and play a conservative jam, meaning you
keep leverage over the top, or you do the same
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from backing off and do it from a back pedal.
But you have to keep leverage over the top right now.
You don't have the ability to make a mistake as
he ended up doing and then recover. It's hard enough
to do that when you're completely healthy.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
How about this? Could it be also that Trayvon's competitive
fire got the best of him there because Okay, he
hadn't been playing man much at all this year.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
He hadn't been playing much football.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, and so he's like, Okay, this is my opportunity,
this is my opportunity against their top receiver. And he's
got this competitive trait that every every great player has,
and I get that got the most of him.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
What he's also doing is he's trying to react off
of last week as well, because everyone the narrative is
out there. He's not doing well, so he's got that
in his mind as well, trying to show somebody different.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
You don't need to show anybody anything.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Just play the defense and once again, play it with
leverage so that guys don't get behind you for the
quick six, which is what we ended up having.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Basically what the head coach said about it is you
got to understand the situation. It's third and eight. Yes,
he got a little too tight, and.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Once again his technique was bad because he got caught trying.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
To sneak the jam.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Okay, be in position, now slip down.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, and he slipped down.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
It was all about okay, they snapped it as soon
as he came up a flea flicker.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
It better I discipline. Yes, what are they looking at?
I mean even in the secondary.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
What are you looking at?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And that's the key in the secondary.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Because everybody have to be They were going to come
up and support.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
The re not thank you, that's not your job.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And they needed to recognize who was in the game right.
I don't know if they don't know ten or the history,
but they have to know, right they didn't. They weren't
relying on burden in the first time.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
I promise you when you if you look at the
technique of the safety is on that play, I bet
they didn't backpedal one bit.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
No when the start of that.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
But that play, once again, guys, defensive backs and especially
the secondary, is about timing. When you hand the ball
off on offense, your safety should already be retreating for
the past.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
That's just what you do.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
You don't stand there and wait for things to develop
because you're losing your leverage on the outside receivers as well.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
It's just that simple.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
You have to take your I used to take a
three step drop on every play, especially when I'm playing
the conservative manner, because that will keep leverage on you
on any wide receiver coming down the field, and as
a secondary, you gotta have leverage.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
And the worst part was that it was basically two receivers.
Hooker had to decide, Okay, where do I go.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
He shouldn't be the only one back there.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I know that's what he was a single hi.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
But then you got you got guys on the they
got third on this end as well.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Everybody released it.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Guys, I got news for you that they've been biting
the run for the last three weeks. So you shouldn't
be surprised that the team. That's why they ran the
play right, and I mean they showed the personnel. And
what I've stopped doing is is thinking that, God, these
guys are not prepared because they spend all week, all morning,
all afternoon and evening up here going over everything you
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got pregame. You gotta walked through, you got every part
of it. That's reminding you of what these guys want
to do. Ben Johnson didn't come into this game thinking
about a fleet flicker. He knew he was gonna run
fleet flicker, and when the opportunity presented itself, I mean
he definitely he drew it up and it happened just perfectly.
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Maybe it wasn't perfect to throw back to the quarterback
wasn't perfect, but.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
That's because Mozzie blew it up.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Ozzie was blowing that play up.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Ever since, looking at the play, well.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Maligue Hooker actually did retreat on the snap of the ball,
but then.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
The defense they were the defense they were playing, does
that corner need to read it, and when he sees
the two receivers released, one.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Receiver went inside. Okay, that's when you bailed back.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Yeah, because you still gotta play your third They were
just slow doing it.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Maligue Hooker was back. He actually retreated three steps, just
as I said.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
But then he also came up up while the receivers
were coming at him, So then that just negated his retreatment.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I got it. I got news for you guys coming up.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
They got a Josh Jacobs that every safety pays attention to,
and if they'd run it, they can run another fleet flicker.
In this game, you can get the same situation because
you better have attention to detail every time this guy
gets to the line of scrimmage, and they have capable
wide receivers that can burn you down the field as well.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So third play, you don't fix it.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Third play was the tight end touchdown by himself.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Not the screen pass, not that one that was bad,
or the twenty nine yard or bird.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
These were just the three that he meant and shot
and I ever mentioned on his own. He was basically
asked a general question about the bust on defense, and
so the third one that he mentioned was the tight
end and losing the vertical seam for the mixuchdown.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I got to ask you, Yeah, I got a question
for you because I read your article and because I
read your Tuesday article and you did not give a no.
There was no glimmer of hope in that article. There's
no there's no silver lining in there, Mickey, And I
just wanted to know is that what it was, because
I'm just saying, I mean, based off of the numbers,
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I mean, you broke it down with that, with the stats,
the numbers, how it all happened, how we were compromised.
After you watch that and after you you're at a
three game sample size right now, is there a glimmer
of hope going into this game versus the Packers.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, you got to score. That was my point going
into the game and coming out of the game. Last
night was a prime example. Detroit had to score thirty
some points to beat Baltimore, right, and Baltimore was going
to have to score forty to beat Detroit and they
supposedly have good defenses allegedly.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Now the Ravens, you should point out the Ravens were
missing Kyle van Noy and Nomdi might be kidding to.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Make a difference with Marder difference. So the strength of
this offense, I mean, this team is the offense you
got to score. It's what I wrote before the game.
It's like, I don't know where this defense is going
to go until they get some of these players back.
When you have four of your top six corners sitting
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there watching, what are you doing? I got to have
three corners on the field. I got a guy that
I picked up off the Bears or the Minnesota waiver
wire starting at last corner on the field, and he
was And I guarantee you when they traded for Elam
they didn't think he was going to be a starter,
maybe the third guy they needed to back up behind
(36:40):
Digs and Bland and Digs and wasn't ready and Bland
gets hurt, and it's like, okay, next man up.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Now we already knew that coming into the seat, we're
going to have to score a whole bunch of points.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Yes, that was the whole point of getting picking.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I'm thinking was going to be a starter.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Would they didn't account for the loss of Jordan Lewis,
then well, here's what was going to happen. Did and
plays in the slot, digs and Bland. Then when they
go to Nickel, Blang goes in the slot. And that's
what they were hoping. That's a starter in but they
were hoping.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Because that's the way we stop most games.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Well in the NFL, seventy of the plays Nickel, but they.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Were actually hoping that Revel would have been ready to go.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
That's it. That's the difference right there.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
I think he's ready.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I don't know how quickly he can ramp up to
play football physically. When I watch him rehab, he's ready.
But now he hadn't.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Played rehab, is still in the rehab state.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Well, that's what he's doing on IR. That's all you
that's all you can do.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
You can't, you can't. They can start him practicing a
week next Monday.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
What was the stop gap until Revel's ready?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Right right?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
And that would have we're in that stop gap right now.
And if he wasn't ready, maybe Josh Butler who came
on and played last year, but he was coming off
an ACL he was at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
So if you're if your eber flues is your mentality
and that coach coach talked about this too. Personnel change.
As far as your second day you change to though
guys are well, then you have you have guys like
number fourteen Bell.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
That's safety, but I'm talking cornerbacks.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I think a lot of the breakdown
that you're having does have a lot to do with
your safety play as well. You got caught in man
against Chicago, and we just talked about that with Trayvon Diggs.
But I think some of these guys that are coming
wide open, your question is how are your safeties responding
to that? How are you playing zone on the back
(38:46):
end with safety support? That's those are the bigger questions going.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Inside to me with his safeties like pick your poison.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
But as far as I'm concerned, you got to put
another guy out there.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
You gotta put another guy there who's hung they starts ball,
is there is one?
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Is that guy they started using Jannie Thomas in past
number two situations.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Yeah, I don't think they trust Markis. I don't.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I don't think they think he's a middle of the
field safety. They're both kind of safety.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
You think Wilson is the point.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
That's why they've been moving him closer to the line.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Keep in mind that Marquise Bell was your starting linebacker
when the Cowboys lost to the Packers, the same Packers,
not the same Packers, but the Packers forty eight thirty
two in the plaint and Jordan Love with Michael Parsons
on the podcast said, well, we looked out there and
we saw number fourteens playing linebacker, So we're gonna run.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
The football and that's why he needs to be back
at his original position, which is safety. They've been trying
to make this guy linebacker for the past two years.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
It doesn't make any sense to me, not at all.
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Speaker 3 (42:25):
All right, final few minutes here of mixed shots And so, Mickey,
what else you got there on your legal pad? Do
we need to get to anything else that Jerry said
today that we need to be aware of.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
I wrote down some of the things he had to say.
They asked him about secondary changes. By the way, he said,
we got people coming. So I mean, do you want
to see true.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Keys a chance this week?
Speaker 4 (42:51):
And wait, wait, wait, do I want to.
Speaker 11 (42:53):
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Speaker 1 (43:05):
They even had him out by the way several uh gils.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
How did you think about Ready Stewart? Do you guys?
Are you on board with Ready?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I think he's played well.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Yeah, I like him.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
He's at least carried out as a signing him.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
I think on the first play he came on the
blitz and after that, right, but I mean after that,
I mean after that it probably wasn't much.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yes, Mickey, I was trying to see what my note
said about. Oh, he's he said something about what they
asked him about Micah and the money. Oh, I know
what he said. They asked him if it got personal
and that's why they didn't sign him, and he said
absolutely not, not at all. It was not personal why
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they didn't. He said, I gave him my best offer
I could give him, and it wasn't enough. So it
was time to put it out there, to put some
chum out there, to see what it was worth to
get something in return for him if we weren't going
to pay him that much.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
So those guys in that defensive end room have got
to be sick right now going into a game versus
Michaeh and knowing that they are struggling the way that
they are, and everybody is comparing them their production to
Micah's production, you know. And so Sam Williams, all of them,
you know, our second round draft pick. He's got to
be feeling that pressure from the Micah.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Trace and the words of the head coach Donovan. Azeraku
played great for the second straight game.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
And if you watched, he actually.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Twenty said yesterday, I don't know if it's great.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
He was making plays, he was doing what he was
supposed to do, setting the edge. He got a couple pressures,
and I saw him make some plays. Here's the thing.
Last year they were third in the league with fifty
two sacks. Okay, I went back and looked, thirty eight
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of them went out to be building thirty eight sacks left. Well, yeah,
but it was only twelve to one guy.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
So the middle of their twenty sex So these other
guys that got left behind, they had like fourteen. But
how many of those sacks were they all supposed to
now be a eight sack guy.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Now, how many of those sacks were because of number less?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Well, I'm just telling you that these other guys like
Golston five and a half, some guy named Carl Lawson.
I forgot he was on the team. He had five
Overshown had five, right, DeMarcus Lawrence three, Kendrick's three. So
they had some other guys that were but but he
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wasn't playing on the head. Ten and a half come
in the door and Fellers, yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
And how many?
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Now is he a counter?
Speaker 6 (46:08):
You see Saul Gary sitting on the floor. Light double
team no longer coming my way, Thank the Lord. These
guys are pressing and they gotta stop.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
And this is in this game.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
You don't see anybody.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
It seems like the defensive ends when I watch them, uh,
they're trying to bull rush. I don't see anybody getting
around the edge right the way Haley would or Micah
Micah going around the edge. They're all just going right
into the offensive lineman. It's like Haley needs to get
out there and start coaching.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
He's out there every day every day.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
He didn't be telling them something more than that.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
The problem is no one listens to him.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
That's a problem. That is a problem.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
That is nobody's listening to Charles.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
That's a good let's got to start somewhere, and I'm
I know in this game, these guys are under a
lot of pressure knowing that Mike is coming back into
the building.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Okay, So the Cowboys have three sacks in three games,
so wonderful. They're on a pace for seventeen for the season.
Who are the three guys who have sacks?
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Houston?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
James Houston has won.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Then the cornerback have one?
Speaker 3 (47:19):
No, Marshawn Kneeland was gonna say Niland and Kenny Clark. Okay,
so there is and Kenny Clark doesn't take long to
call roll.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
When he went down with that injury, the play was going,
he went down, the play continued, He got back up
to try to do something, and then it was over,
and then he finally went down again.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
How's he doing?
Speaker 3 (47:43):
He tried.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
They think he'll be okay, he told me, well, they
all say that. I said, how you doing it? Afterwards
or whatever? When I ran into him, and he said, yeah,
it wasn't as bad as I thought.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
So my question is, ceedee, lamb, is it two weeks,
three weeks?
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Three to five?
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I said, only say three? I said three to five.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
When I didn't know beginning, I did you did begin
three or five.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah, I'm gonna like I'm gonna do the morning news.
Does it's like told the Morning News. So I'm gonna say, well,
told Mickey Spagnola right, three to five weeks.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Sources say yeah, and Pickings we trust There you go, Well,
it's okay. But what do you think the packers are thinking?
They're gonna trust Pickens now we're taking him out? Can
Tolbert flow noise and Turpin beat me?
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Well?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
I trust Pickings. He's been there before. He's been a
number one wide receiver. He knows what the double team
is all about.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
He's back to where he was in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
That's that's wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
He's been there before.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
And by the way, I don't have a problem with
him throwing helmet down on the sideline either.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Well, what was wrong with that?
Speaker 3 (48:51):
No?
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Nothing, though?
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Was it he mad at himself?
Speaker 4 (48:54):
He should have been.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
Guys y'all know as well as anybody that perception is
not always reality. And we've had guys like as Brian
here that when he did stuff like that, they talked
about it as it was demonstrative. But this from his
reputation that you were talking about yesterday. His reputation is
in front of him and he has to be better
than that. Just stuff like that that you don't want
to get, and that, to me, that has to come
(49:15):
from his other teammates. You know, they should not allow
him to make that mistake. He's okay throwing the helmet
down and being upset, that's all that.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Clearly he wasn't bad at anybody else.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Yeah, but you don't want that to fester within yourself.
Speaker 6 (49:30):
So somebody, I'm sure Dak's going to go over to
him and already probably has like, hey man, you're gonna
be my guy.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Now, let's do this all right, I think you'd be
great with that.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
What did it get interpreted as?
Speaker 4 (49:42):
No, no, we were trying to head it off at
the past.
Speaker 9 (49:44):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
It gets interpreted by people out who aren't really watching
the game. It gets on ESPN or whatever, and people say, oh,
there's the Pickens again, and they don't have the the
perspective of what just happened. The ball went off his hands,
and it's clearly he was mad at himself, and so
he throws the helmet down. But people without that perspective, so, oh,
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he's mad at his teammates.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
I thought he got on TV when he went to
the side.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
No, no, it was after we were we were about
what could No.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
I know what you're saying, but I didn't know how
it was portrayed.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
I thought it was all well, I thought I thought
it was, and watching the game, knew that's why he's
right portrayed.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
And the way heck was talking. I look forward to
him coming out and balling out.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
All right, all right, we're gonna ball out again tomorrow, and.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Old Cowboys got the title balling Out.
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Now Here are Bill Jones, heck Ma Harrison, Everson Wolves,
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
And we're looking on the bright side on a Tuesday
at high noon here inside the SWBC podcast. Heck Ma
Harrison says, come on in, it's time for mickshots. Heck
Ma Harrison, Mickey Spagnola, And well, let's just put it
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this way. This Cowboys team is doing a better than
a Cowboys team up north of the border in Oklahoma. Okay,
you've seen Oklahoma State play yeah or not play?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah? Yeah, it hadn't been good.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah, So there's that because it's the bright spot and
right side.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Right side? Isn't there a song, mister brightsiders.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Okay, there you go. We should start the show with that.
All right, We've got much to get to. We heard
from a head coach since we last convened. We heard
from an owner, president and general manager since we last convened,
and perhaps we that shed some light on what happened
on Sunday in Chicago, and we look ahead to Micah
(01:38):
and the Packers coming here on Sunday night.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Can you hear Jerry's answer to that question?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well, I first heard this was yesterday. The question was
posed to Jerry. I don't know who posed it to
Jerry about will there be will the Cowboys honor Micah
with some sort of a video or something? It was
like this, and I had the same reaction you just
had on your face. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Like, was Leloy Leroy Jordan coming back to town or something?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I mean, okay, just compare it to Luca for a second. Okay,
Luca was here much longer than a couple more seasons
anyway than Micah was here and took the team to
the NBA Finals the year before. I mean, I was
(02:32):
just stunned that that was even a thought.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I was shocked that he had to answer it and
then answer it again this morning.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Did he really? Okay?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Okay, no ever since did you ever come back here
and play? Did did you play a game at Texas
Stadium after you left? Okay? And did they do a
video for you?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
No interceptions?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, Jimmy wasn't having that. Neither was jar Have we
honored anybody here this year at all.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I don't remember them ever doing that for a player
coming back before a game. Just remind me, Oh, they
do it for Emmett?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
They probably did. Of course they play when it came
back with it came back and did play. Okay, I
know the first preseason game after Emmett went to the
Cardinals was in two thousand and three. Uh it was
at eric Cowboys played at Arizona. Okay, we did that game, Mickey.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
That's right, we did.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
But it was a preseason again, right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It was a silly question. It was a silly question.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
I mean, I'm glad he didn't just give them a
condescending answer to it, but still like that onmeo G.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I'm just saying, should explain those who are not.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I'm sorry, I haven't seen this one right here?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's it? Is it a new edition?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Like Everson is admiring.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
He's just seeing me for the first time.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
He's been in the room for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Shirt that is wearing. How would you describe your shirt?
Speaker 6 (04:16):
It's maybe twenty five Yeah, maybe it's baby blue shirt.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Nice man, title book.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
I see, because we should get shirts. Man, we don't
get shirts. We do Q and as speak. We should
get shirts. Man, they said, just give us one shirt.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
We got Star Sports Tour sh.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah, but man, we need that too.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I think he bought the polo because that's a great look.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
It's not a pole. That's the new order of quarter button.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And then he got a star and taped it on iron.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It didn't come to that yet. I'm definitely going to
the pro.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Shop the Nike collection.
Speaker 6 (04:52):
Yeah, that's nice, that's twenty twenty five. Yeah, come on,
man's right upstairs. Man, you know it's right up there. Man,
you can get you one a discount.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, sure he does.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I don't think he did, of course. Kiss you may continue.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
William signed, continuing Where were all?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
So, Jerry?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They asked Jerry if there was any more meaning to
this game against the Packer because Micah was coming back,
and he said, yes, yes, got to win.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So and not because Mike is going back. They got
to win period.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I have nothing, but if there's more importance to it,
I guess it was probably the question.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So yeah, that was that was amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
To me, so so so Booker Booker yes, high ankle spring.
Probably same as Ceedee Lamb Ceedee Lambs three to five
weeks with a high ankle spring, I've been told, and
I would imagine Booker's probably in the same boat, except that,
at least for an offensive lineman, he doesn't have to
(05:58):
run ten fifteen yards, so it maybe maybe you can
get back quicker.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
He's still a three pounds man.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
Yeah, I think of what he had been on Michaeh's
side of the field.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, well, they'll put Michael wherever there's a backup now, okay, right,
so I think that fast and brock Kaufman be ready.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Well tell you guys. I mean we'll get into this
as the week goes on. But how much will.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Number?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
What numbers he worn again?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Fifty two?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
What number is Michael wearing?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Zero?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
One, one, one? Okay, I can remember zero or one.
I think Matthew Golden has zero for them, first first
player wearing number one since Ernie Lambeau War number one
for the Packers hundred years ago. No, it's true, it's true, yeah, man.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
But how much you and he's turning in his grave too, I.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Bet he is.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And that was just because he was the first player
on the roster. Lambeau was, and so they didn't really
have numbers back then.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
But now he's got a stadium now.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And a leap named after him as well. But how
much is number one going to be on the minds
of the two tackles that are starting this game when
you're talking about matching up, matching up and finding weaknesses
on the offensive line, He's going to be in there.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
When the clock went zero, zero zero, That's that's when
they started thinking about Micah.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That is a crazy matchup.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
They will have a tight end in motion to any
side he's on.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
The tight end's going to be a yeah, Mike. If
Michael the tight ends coming back, it be like it's
going to be like when a team puts a man
in motion to see if the obvious lead, to see
if the defense is playing a man or not. Okay,
And so if mic is moving around, the tight end
is going to go in motion to wherever mic is.
(08:00):
You're gonna married or you're.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Gonna use two tight ends all the time just in case.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
But we're not worried about him, No, not at all.
We're not worried about it. Hell yeah you are, Oh
yeah you are. Oh yes you are. Yeah, you're gonna
have her.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
You're gonna have no, no, You're gonna have somebody watching
him from the moment he gets off the bus. Uh,
going into the locker room. Man, this is a challenge
for us. And I guess my worry is is guiding
And I know, look, you're gonna sort her a tight
end to him and say, hey, you guys are buzz
and buddies. But that's that's gonna limit that's gonna limit
(08:36):
your offense. And I guess you're already limited. Uh anyway,
But I guess the question I had, even with Booker
going down after the whole CD thing, that we knew
he was gonna be out. Do you guys, Are you
guys one of those podcasts that believe in the next
man up?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Mentality? Yes? Is that what your deal?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
I don't know about them, but yes, I've always started
next man Now. The Cowboys entire existence was always out
the next man up. You always have these big time
first rounders, but then here come these guys, undrafted free
agents from somewhere, a low round pick from somewhere.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
They've stepped up.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yes, it's a yeah story of the NFL.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I mean yeah, Well, the Cowboys have always really been
good at it, especially the way we.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Sign all across the league. Monsters are Yeah, I'm a next.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Man up guy.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, so guys like TJ.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Bass and we already talked about brock Hoffman stepping in
for BB. That's gonna be a problem because you know
where Green Bay's gonna try and attack us, and it's
gonna be the middle of the field to try and
stop our running attack. That's literally from the edges, you
know what they have with Gary, But in the middle
of the field with with with like you said, he's
going up against backups. They're gonna put Michael Parsons right
(09:46):
in that.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Again, well, camp, just make them play the run, do
we Okay, make them play the run.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
But here's the other thing. When you think of the
interior offensive lineman for the Cowboys, Now, okay, when when
you put the roster together back in March, in April
free agency and the draft, how many of those guys
interioror offensive linemen have you now lost? You lost Robert Jones,
who's a veteran guy, lost him early, You lost him
in training camp. Okay, he's done. You've lost Cooper BB
(10:17):
and have You've lost Tyler Booker. So there's you're Tyler
Smith is at the top of the rung. There is
your top interior offensive linemen. So you've lost three of
your top four offensive lineman as you put this or
offensive interior offensive lineman as you put this roster together
back in the off season.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
See and the deal with next man up? Okay, he's up.
Who's the next man to the next man? And now
you're getting real thin right on the offensive?
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Well, one thing you worry about with Green Bay, I mean,
they were already a good defense before Micah got there.
So while we're talking about who's going to be moving
with Michael, you still got guys at are on this defense.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
At least they don't have Kenny Clark over there now.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Well, so sorry, they got Wyatt and then they got
what they're waiting on Kenny.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I'm still waiting on kid.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, what's the what?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
What has this team done consistently?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Well?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
The first three games run the football?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
They ran the football three one hundred yard games in
a row, and I went and asked and got looked up.
The last time they've had more than three in a
row was five in two thy and twenty three.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Not that long ago.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
No, yeah, but it's been a while. I mean to
have five and more than three in a row. So
now you and.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Joseph it was last year, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Until the second half.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
That show, I was gonna go back to the seventy
six two years ago.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
But look here, here's the the problem is is what
you said, like, we got TJ. Bass because TJ Bass
would have been the backup to the center and both guards.
And now you bring again Hoffman. Hoffman, yes, Hoffman the center.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Now he's got to play center.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
And so your swing tackle is well, your backup swing
tackle is Nate Thomas.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
No, yes, okay, backups tackle.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Backup tackle is Nate Thomas.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Right, So who's out Trevor who.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Came up, came in the first week of the season.
They picked him up from the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Okay, well, he's going to be the backup center because
previously Bass could have done.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Or is Wesley French the backup center? Well the practice
squad who actually, well, yes, he's the he's the only
one who actually has played center in an NFL game.
Wesley French, who played for Indianapolis two years ago, was
hurt last year, and so he's on the practice squads
and that's who they signed last week.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
But remember, you got to have eight offensive linemen active
to be able to take two guys off the practice field,
I mean practice squad to elevate whether going to have
eight active.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
I literally only bring that point up because being limited
versus a defense like Green Bay, it does not count
well for us because you can say, because of Micah, Okay,
run the ball, but it's not just Micah and a
bunch of guys on defense.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
They can't stop the run.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
This is where I was, and he said that it's
not like he's playing with the Cowboys from the last
couple of year. He's got a better supporting cast, so
that gives him even more leeway to be to freelance
or whatever they do, because I haven't seen him really
running the ball much on Green Bay since he's been there,
and that's been a problem for us when Michaeh was here.
(13:41):
But now Michaeh is there and he's got a better
supporting cast.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And he's a big reason that Rashaun Garry already has
four and a half sacks of rusher.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
If it would be it'd be nice if we could
just run on any part of that defense. I wouldn't
necessarily target Carson to run on. I'd say, you just
better do what you do best, which is run the football.
Right now, I wouldn't say I wouldn't worry about where
Micah is. I think you just worry about where the
rest of the Green Bay Packers defense is because they
are good, by the way.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
And then hold on to it after your thirty yard run.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, and by the way, the other major injury issue
that the Cowboys are dealing with right now, Ceedee Lamb.
This goes back to why it was so important, yes
to make the trade for George Pickens back in May,
because if you didn't have George Pickens on this roster,
where would you be when Ceedee Lamb goes down with
(14:37):
an injury.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
That's I mean.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
And going back to the Bears game, it seemed like
where I was thinking the spotlight was going to shine
on George Pickens, it ended up shining on our tight
end instead. Ferg ended up getting more targets. And that's
the part of the game that I think. Look going
into this game versus Green Bay, we have to be
able to stretch the feel a lot.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
More we did.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Then then when we need to, we need to throw
deeper pass, you know, and give them that threat because
they play for us to run these short routes. Pickens
is running a short route over here. They probably had
a safety favoring his side.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
If not, right, they got no.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Everybody else is one on one, So they say, you
know what, my outlet, which is a smart outlet for
any quarterback, is a good tight end that you can
that you can take.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You know why the safeties were playing downtown Chicago right right,
they were ten to fifteen yards behind when they were
lined up ten yards and they were backing up. So nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Let me go on over there. Let me give you
the perspective that I heard this morning from Chicago Bears
safety Kevin Byard. Byard, who had got his thirtieth career interception,
yeah late in the game.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
On by the way, is he your brother in law
or something? Every time I hear Bill speak, he's got
bired on it.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
He just happened to be on serious NFL this morning
and listening to him, man, that guy is eloquent. He's
got some Everson Walls in him. Okay, he's going to
go into broadcasting after I mean, just the way he talks,
he's going to go into broadcasting after his Anyway, he
had great insight, I thought in regards to why Jake
(16:24):
Ferguson got so many targets in that game, and he
attributed it to Dennis Allen's defense. And it was more
so a case especially with the Bears with a lead
in the game and the Cowboys, but it had more
to do with what Dennis Allen does with his pass
rush and how it affected the Cowboys protection of Dak Prescott.
(16:49):
When you're putting six seven guys up on the line
of scrimmage and you're able to do that because you've
got a seventeen point lead in the game, okay, and
the offensive line has no idea who's coming. And so
basically he was saying that what Dak had to do,
he had to go. He had to check it down
all the time every play because they didn't know who
(17:11):
was coming on any particular play. So he gave a
lot of credit to Dennis Allen's defense and just his
scheme as far as that goes, And and other teams
do that too.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Well to us, and that's what I'm out that early
last week.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
But the key on that is is having the lead.
You got to have the lead where the team is
one dimensional and they and they don't you don't care
whether they're running the football or not at that point
in the game when they're down seventeen.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
You heard what you heard. You heard what Tom Brady
said about Dennis Allen right in the broadcast.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, he said he didn't even like speaking about him.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
He's he didn't like speaking to him because he he said,
it was so infuriating to have to play against his
defenses that he goes up before you know how, before
the game all brotherly learn them lost stuff out there.
He goes, I didn't want to talk to him. He goes,
he frustrated me so much.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
You know, it's frustrating about this though, Dennis Allen. For
two games, his defense was lifeless. They had zero sacks,
they had no turnovers. And then shows up the Cowboys
and all of a sudden, everybody's screaming, Dennis House.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
You know, let's just let's see Allen. Let's talk about
next week.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You know it, Well, come on, how the Viking revitalized
everyone Viking?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
His defense, his defense played really good. The first three
quarters of the Vikings game and then everything went sideways
in the fourth quarter. And his defense didn't do anything
last week against the Lions because the Lions were playing
with a seventeen point lead in the game and he
couldn't do this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And Baldemore's defense didn't do anything against the Lions. Excuse
me last night gave up thirty eight points.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Well hey, And to the Lions credit and Campbell's credit,
their offensive line is pretty good. And I love the
way since we're talking about being kind of yeah healthy,
but at the same time there for coumbo blocking and
then getting to the second level. If we are shorthanded,
why don't we take that same philosophy into this game
(19:07):
versus the Packers. If we played on keeping our running
game going well.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
One thing that we have we talked about last last week.
The Cowboys weakness on offense is pressure and I mean
showing blitz pressure. It always takes us out of our game.
I think so, and that I know so that that
is when we don't do well on the road because
we're usually in that particular situation. We have, uh that
(19:32):
checking at the line, as you talked about all the time.
And now you want down one receiver. Yeah, they should
look good. They should have looked good on Chicago's as
a Chicago's defense, because we'll showed our number one receiver,
we're trying to run the ball, but now we don't
have a defense that can stop anybody. That sounds extremely
familiar to last year, but ever since.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
When you have a quarterback that's been in the league
as long as Dak has, shouldn't that be something that
innate You know he understands as that pressures coming. Because
all I saw Dennis doing was presenting pressure and then
dropping guys out. And if that was the most confusing
thing he was doing, then he's been seeing this his
whole life as a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
And those that has his supporting staff, it's more it's
more so how much how much does he try his
offensive line.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Picking it up and.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Wide receivers normal, Well, that's another confident, that's another conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
So what's worse missing two guys on the offensive line
or missing Lamb?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
It's missing Lamb, that's just me.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Those are two Those are quote to quote unquote veteran guys. Yes,
that are replacing a rookie in a second year guy
on the offensive line.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Who we're going through now.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I'm just I'm just I'm just thinking about what.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Ron Kaufman and started seven games last year. T J.
Bass has started games before in this league. Their center
and the.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
You can always help offense lineman on protection. You can
scheme something, but you don't need to have just anybody
out there playing CD Lamb.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
That's just the difference. That's the playmaker that you need.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
When it comes to offensive lineman, we can, we can
design assistance for them.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
We can't get another CD Lamb.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Out there, No, no, no, And I don't and I don't
believe that we can either. But I just when we're
compromised at the offensive line and you have a quarterback
that already doesn't have the confidence in this offensive line,
I think that pretty much puts everything up for grass
because now you're gonna you're gonna be one dimensional in
one way or another.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
You're gonna be one dimensional.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
And I think the way that CD Lamb was eating
was because that running game was also adding the balance
as well. So the two offensive line to me, I mean, well, Tomato, Tomatow, yes,
up to you, what what team you want to go with?
Speaker 6 (21:47):
I think we stay more diverse if we have a
CD Lamb out there versus being one dimensional looking for
pickings your boys, other boys not getting open, and now
we're trying to run the ball on the on the
team that knows we have the ball.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
So yeah, I'd better go with that.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Well, And I would say that scoring fourteen points in
that game the other day I had a lot to
do with the fact that CD Lamb wasn't on the
field for most of the game.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
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Speaker 1 (22:16):
Couldn't process what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I got you. Yeah, not having CD right, but.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
We got to definitely score more than fourteen points. That
was all right.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
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Speaker 3 (25:34):
Very good, ever, so nice read there. Mickey asked a
question right before we came back. He asked, though, and
he's perusing his legal fight trying to figure out when
CD got hurt in the game. It was the sixth
offensive play of the game for the Cowboys, Mickey, it
was early sixth offensive play of the game and second
second series of the game.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Keep seeing that replay, and we are so lucky that
he didn't break that ankle because it looked like it
was a hip drop.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, that's what when I went back and look at
the way the guy tackled him and and kind of
had around his ankle.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Yeah, they did not look They didn't call it in
real time and they looked, but the way that he
brought him down and the way that he came back
on this.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, So what is a running style that CD has too?
I mean he's fighting forevery yard and.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
You know, use it breaks that tackle, That's what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
So at that time, the game was only seven to nothing, right,
and then they drove for a field goal the rest
of that drive.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Kind of a different deal when you're running from the
running back position rather than in the open field.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I'm not as I'm not as upset about them putting
him at the running but I was upset about it
on Sunday. But I understand, get your playmakers the ball. However,
you can reverse put him in the back field out
of direct snap to him if you know. Teams have
done worse. So I'm I understand. I'm putting me putting
him in the backfield this year.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I believe he did a lot. I mean a few
times last year.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, the Bears did it with Dj Moore, didn't they?
They had sure carried four times.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
But Dj Moore is built like yeah, he's built for it,
like more running back.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Like you said, I heard somebody yesterday talking about Debo
and the way the Commanders are using Debo in the backfield.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I know that's a long way of the way, but
now that's the way they.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Were using him.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, Bears going to start doing it with Luther Burden.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
You watch why is that Mickey get all in his hands?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Okay. Mickey Coach was asked about the defensive busts on
the big plays in the game on Sunday, starting with
the Romo Doonza touchdown, which was a third and eight
play at the Dallas thirty five yard line where Trayvon slipped.
What was the explanation that might have been a little
(27:58):
too tight. It's too tight considering the situation. Okay. It's
third and eight at the thirty five at the Dallas
thirty five yard line, Okay, and that's when Trayvon's going
to go play press. Yeah, they got eight yards for
they need eight yards for a first down. And when
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you consider what the mindset of the offense is here,
and by the way they put Zakias a slot guy
in motion, they already they detected that the Cowboys were playing. Man,
if they didn't already know it, since Trayvon was pressing
on the outside, that just confirmed it for the young quarterback.
(28:41):
And so it's an easy I mean, he was going
to go to odoon'sday no matter. Well, even if Trayvon
didn't slip, because it was going to be a safe
go route down the sideline. Right.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
I thought that CD played I'm sorry, I thought that
Trayvon played with more panic than poise. You know, when
you're dealing with the limitations that he's got physically, then
you just have to understand you can't make any gambles.
He gambled too much on that when the man came
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in motion, that's when Diggs came up. He tried to
sneak up on him. You know, he tried to surprise
him with that surprise jam. Your body ain't ready for
that right now. You know, you need to just stay back.
Either stay solid and play a conservative jam, meaning you
keep leverage over the top, or you do the same
(29:35):
from backing off and do it from a back pedal.
But you have to keep leverage over the top right now.
You don't have the ability to make a mistake as
he ended up doing and then recover. It's hard enough
to do that when you're completely healthy.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
How about this? Could it be also that Trayvon's competitive
fire got the best of him there because Okay, he
hadn't been playing man much at all this year.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
He hadn't been playing much football.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, and so he's like, Okay, this is my opportunity,
this is my opportunity against their top receiver. And he's
got this competitive trait that every every great player has,
and I get that got the most of him.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
What he's also doing is he's trying to react off
of last week as well, because everyone the narrative is
out there. He's not doing well, so he's got that
in his mind as well, trying to show somebody different.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
You don't need to show anybody anything.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Just play the defense and once again, play it with
leverage so that guys don't get behind you for the
quick six, which is what we ended up having.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Basically what the head coach said about it is you
got to understand the situation. It's third and eight. Yes,
he got a little too tight, and.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Once again his technique was bad because he got caught trying.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
To sneak the jam.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Okay, be in position, now slip down.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, and he slipped down.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
It was all about okay, they snapped it as soon
as he came up a flea flicker.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
It better I discipline. Yes, what are they looking at?
I mean even in the secondary.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
What are you looking at?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And that's the key in the secondary.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Because everybody have to be They were going to come
up and support.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
The re not thank you, that's not your job.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And they needed to recognize who was in the game right.
I don't know if they don't know ten or the history,
but they have to know, right they didn't. They weren't
relying on burden in the first time.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
I promise you when you if you look at the
technique of the safety is on that play, I bet
they didn't backpedal one bit.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
No when the start of that.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
But that play, once again, guys, defensive backs and especially
the secondary, is about timing. When you hand the ball
off on offense, your safety should already be retreating for
the past.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
That's just what you do.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
You don't stand there and wait for things to develop
because you're losing your leverage on the outside receivers as well.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
It's just that simple.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
You have to take your I used to take a
three step drop on every play, especially when I'm playing
the conservative manner, because that will keep leverage on you
on any wide receiver coming down the field, and as
a secondary, you gotta have leverage.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
And the worst part was that it was basically two receivers.
Hooker had to decide, Okay, where do I go.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
He shouldn't be the only one back there.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I know that's what he was a single hi.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
But then you got you got guys on the they
got third on this end as well.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Everybody released it.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Guys, I got news for you that they've been biting
the run for the last three weeks. So you shouldn't
be surprised that the team. That's why they ran the
play right, and I mean they showed the personnel. And
what I've stopped doing is is thinking that, God, these
guys are not prepared because they spend all week, all morning,
all afternoon and evening up here going over everything you
(33:00):
got pregame. You gotta walked through, you got every part
of it. That's reminding you of what these guys want
to do. Ben Johnson didn't come into this game thinking
about a fleet flicker. He knew he was gonna run
fleet flicker, and when the opportunity presented itself, I mean
he definitely he drew it up and it happened just perfectly.
(33:20):
Maybe it wasn't perfect to throw back to the quarterback
wasn't perfect, but.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
That's because Mozzie blew it up.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Ozzie was blowing that play up.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Ever since, looking at the play, well.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Maligue Hooker actually did retreat on the snap of the ball,
but then.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
The defense they were the defense they were playing, does
that corner need to read it, and when he sees
the two receivers released, one.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Receiver went inside. Okay, that's when you bailed back.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Yeah, because you still gotta play your third They were
just slow doing it.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Maligue Hooker was back. He actually retreated three steps, just
as I said.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
But then he also came up up while the receivers
were coming at him, So then that just negated his retreatment.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I got it. I got news for you guys coming up.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
They got a Josh Jacobs that every safety pays attention to,
and if they'd run it, they can run another fleet flicker.
In this game, you can get the same situation because
you better have attention to detail every time this guy
gets to the line of scrimmage, and they have capable
wide receivers that can burn you down the field as well.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So third play, you don't fix it.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Third play was the tight end touchdown by himself.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Not the screen pass, not that one that was bad,
or the twenty nine yard or bird.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
These were just the three that he meant and shot
and I ever mentioned on his own. He was basically
asked a general question about the bust on defense, and
so the third one that he mentioned was the tight
end and losing the vertical seam for the mixuchdown.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I got to ask you, Yeah, I got a question
for you because I read your article and because I
read your Tuesday article and you did not give a no.
There was no glimmer of hope in that article. There's
no there's no silver lining in there, Mickey, And I
just wanted to know is that what it was, because
I'm just saying, I mean, based off of the numbers,
(35:17):
I mean, you broke it down with that, with the stats,
the numbers, how it all happened, how we were compromised.
After you watch that and after you you're at a
three game sample size right now, is there a glimmer
of hope going into this game versus the Packers.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, you got to score. That was my point going
into the game and coming out of the game. Last
night was a prime example. Detroit had to score thirty
some points to beat Baltimore, right, and Baltimore was going
to have to score forty to beat Detroit and they
supposedly have good defenses allegedly.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Now the Ravens, you should point out the Ravens were
missing Kyle van Noy and Nomdi might be kidding to.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Make a difference with Marder difference. So the strength of
this offense, I mean, this team is the offense you
got to score. It's what I wrote before the game.
It's like, I don't know where this defense is going
to go until they get some of these players back.
When you have four of your top six corners sitting
(36:18):
there watching, what are you doing? I got to have
three corners on the field. I got a guy that
I picked up off the Bears or the Minnesota waiver
wire starting at last corner on the field, and he
was And I guarantee you when they traded for Elam
they didn't think he was going to be a starter,
maybe the third guy they needed to back up behind
(36:40):
Digs and Bland and Digs and wasn't ready and Bland
gets hurt, and it's like, okay, next man up.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Now we already knew that coming into the seat, we're
going to have to score a whole bunch of points.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Yes, that was the whole point of getting picking.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I'm thinking was going to be a starter.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Would they didn't account for the loss of Jordan Lewis,
then well, here's what was going to happen. Did and
plays in the slot, digs and Bland. Then when they
go to Nickel, Blang goes in the slot. And that's
what they were hoping. That's a starter in but they
were hoping.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Because that's the way we stop most games.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Well in the NFL, seventy of the plays Nickel, but they.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Were actually hoping that Revel would have been ready to go.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
That's it. That's the difference right there.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
I think he's ready.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I don't know how quickly he can ramp up to
play football physically. When I watch him rehab, he's ready.
But now he hadn't.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Played rehab, is still in the rehab state.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Well, that's what he's doing on IR. That's all you
that's all you can do.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
You can't, you can't. They can start him practicing a
week next Monday.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
What was the stop gap until Revel's ready?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Right right?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
And that would have we're in that stop gap right now.
And if he wasn't ready, maybe Josh Butler who came
on and played last year, but he was coming off
an ACL he was at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
So if you're if your eber flues is your mentality
and that coach coach talked about this too. Personnel change.
As far as your second day you change to though
guys are well, then you have you have guys like
number fourteen Bell.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
That's safety, but I'm talking cornerbacks.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I think a lot of the breakdown
that you're having does have a lot to do with
your safety play as well. You got caught in man
against Chicago, and we just talked about that with Trayvon Diggs.
But I think some of these guys that are coming
wide open, your question is how are your safeties responding
to that? How are you playing zone on the back
(38:46):
end with safety support? That's those are the bigger questions going.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Inside to me with his safeties like pick your poison.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
But as far as I'm concerned, you got to put
another guy out there.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
You gotta put another guy there who's hung they starts ball,
is there is one?
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Is that guy they started using Jannie Thomas in past
number two situations.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Yeah, I don't think they trust Markis. I don't.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I don't think they think he's a middle of the
field safety. They're both kind of safety.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
You think Wilson is the point.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
That's why they've been moving him closer to the line.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Keep in mind that Marquise Bell was your starting linebacker
when the Cowboys lost to the Packers, the same Packers,
not the same Packers, but the Packers forty eight thirty
two in the plaint and Jordan Love with Michael Parsons
on the podcast said, well, we looked out there and
we saw number fourteens playing linebacker, So we're gonna run.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
The football and that's why he needs to be back
at his original position, which is safety. They've been trying
to make this guy linebacker for the past two years.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
It doesn't make any sense to me, not at all.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
All right, we've got more to get to. Another segment
to go for five more minutes, yes, when mix Shots
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Speaker 3 (42:25):
All right, final few minutes here of mixed shots And so, Mickey,
what else you got there on your legal pad? Do
we need to get to anything else that Jerry said
today that we need to be aware of.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
I wrote down some of the things he had to say.
They asked him about secondary changes. By the way, he said,
we got people coming. So I mean, do you want
to see true.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Keys a chance this week?
Speaker 4 (42:51):
And wait, wait, wait, do I want to.
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Speaker 1 (43:05):
They even had him out by the way several uh gils.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
How did you think about Ready Stewart? Do you guys?
Are you on board with Ready?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I think he's played well.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Yeah, I like him.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
He's at least carried out as a signing him.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
I think on the first play he came on the
blitz and after that, right, but I mean after that,
I mean after that it probably wasn't much.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yes, Mickey, I was trying to see what my note
said about. Oh, he's he said something about what they
asked him about Micah and the money. Oh, I know
what he said. They asked him if it got personal
and that's why they didn't sign him, and he said
absolutely not, not at all. It was not personal why
(44:01):
they didn't. He said, I gave him my best offer
I could give him, and it wasn't enough. So it
was time to put it out there, to put some
chum out there, to see what it was worth to
get something in return for him if we weren't going
to pay him that much.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
So those guys in that defensive end room have got
to be sick right now going into a game versus
Michaeh and knowing that they are struggling the way that
they are, and everybody is comparing them their production to
Micah's production, you know. And so Sam Williams, all of them,
you know, our second round draft pick. He's got to
be feeling that pressure from the Micah.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Trace and the words of the head coach Donovan. Azeraku
played great for the second straight game.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
And if you watched, he actually.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Twenty said yesterday, I don't know if it's great.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
He was making plays, he was doing what he was
supposed to do, setting the edge. He got a couple pressures,
and I saw him make some plays. Here's the thing.
Last year they were third in the league with fifty
two sacks. Okay, I went back and looked, thirty eight
(45:13):
of them went out to be building thirty eight sacks left. Well, yeah,
but it was only twelve to one guy.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
So the middle of their twenty sex So these other
guys that got left behind, they had like fourteen. But
how many of those sacks were they all supposed to
now be a eight sack guy.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Now, how many of those sacks were because of number less?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Well, I'm just telling you that these other guys like
Golston five and a half, some guy named Carl Lawson.
I forgot he was on the team. He had five
Overshown had five, right, DeMarcus Lawrence three, Kendrick's three. So
they had some other guys that were but but he
(46:01):
wasn't playing on the head. Ten and a half come
in the door and Fellers, yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
And how many?
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Now is he a counter?
Speaker 6 (46:08):
You see Saul Gary sitting on the floor. Light double
team no longer coming my way, Thank the Lord. These
guys are pressing and they gotta stop.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
And this is in this game.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
You don't see anybody.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
It seems like the defensive ends when I watch them, uh,
they're trying to bull rush. I don't see anybody getting
around the edge right the way Haley would or Micah
Micah going around the edge. They're all just going right
into the offensive lineman. It's like Haley needs to get
out there and start coaching.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
He's out there every day every day.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
He didn't be telling them something more than that.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
The problem is no one listens to him.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
That's a problem. That is a problem.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
That is nobody's listening to Charles.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
That's a good let's got to start somewhere, and I'm
I know in this game, these guys are under a
lot of pressure knowing that Mike is coming back into
the building.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Okay, So the Cowboys have three sacks in three games,
so wonderful. They're on a pace for seventeen for the season.
Who are the three guys who have sacks?
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Houston?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
James Houston has won.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Then the cornerback have one?
Speaker 3 (47:19):
No, Marshawn Kneeland was gonna say Niland and Kenny Clark. Okay,
so there is and Kenny Clark doesn't take long to
call roll.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
When he went down with that injury, the play was going,
he went down, the play continued, He got back up
to try to do something, and then it was over,
and then he finally went down again.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
How's he doing?
Speaker 3 (47:43):
He tried.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
They think he'll be okay, he told me, well, they
all say that. I said, how you doing it? Afterwards
or whatever? When I ran into him, and he said, yeah,
it wasn't as bad as I thought.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
So my question is, ceedee, lamb, is it two weeks,
three weeks?
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Three to five?
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I said, only say three? I said three to five.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
When I didn't know beginning, I did you did begin
three or five.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah, I'm gonna like I'm gonna do the morning news.
Does it's like told the Morning News. So I'm gonna say, well,
told Mickey Spagnola right, three to five weeks.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Sources say yeah, and Pickings we trust There you go, Well,
it's okay. But what do you think the packers are thinking?
They're gonna trust Pickens now we're taking him out? Can
Tolbert flow noise and Turpin beat me?
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Well?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
I trust Pickings. He's been there before. He's been a
number one wide receiver. He knows what the double team
is all about.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
He's back to where he was in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
That's that's wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
He's been there before.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
And by the way, I don't have a problem with
him throwing helmet down on the sideline either.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Well, what was wrong with that?
Speaker 3 (48:51):
No?
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Nothing, though?
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Was it he mad at himself?
Speaker 4 (48:54):
He should have been.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
Guys y'all know as well as anybody that perception is
not always reality. And we've had guys like as Brian
here that when he did stuff like that, they talked
about it as it was demonstrative. But this from his
reputation that you were talking about yesterday. His reputation is
in front of him and he has to be better
than that. Just stuff like that that you don't want
to get, and that, to me, that has to come
(49:15):
from his other teammates. You know, they should not allow
him to make that mistake. He's okay throwing the helmet
down and being upset, that's all that.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Clearly he wasn't bad at anybody else.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Yeah, but you don't want that to fester within yourself.
Speaker 6 (49:30):
So somebody, I'm sure Dak's going to go over to
him and already probably has like, hey man, you're gonna
be my guy.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Now, let's do this all right, I think you'd be
great with that.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
What did it get interpreted as?
Speaker 4 (49:42):
No, no, we were trying to head it off at
the past.
Speaker 9 (49:44):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
It gets interpreted by people out who aren't really watching
the game. It gets on ESPN or whatever, and people say, oh,
there's the Pickens again, and they don't have the the
perspective of what just happened. The ball went off his hands,
and it's clearly he was mad at himself, and so
he throws the helmet down. But people without that perspective, so, oh,
(50:08):
he's mad at his teammates.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
I thought he got on TV when he went to
the side.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
No, no, it was after we were we were about
what could No.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
I know what you're saying, but I didn't know how
it was portrayed.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
I thought it was all well, I thought I thought
it was, and watching the game, knew that's why he's
right portrayed.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
And the way heck was talking. I look forward to
him coming out and balling out.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
All right, all right, we're gonna ball out again tomorrow, and.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Old Cowboys got the title balling Out.
Speaker 10 (50:42):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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