October 16, 2025 • 49 mins
Time to get ready for the 3-3 Commanders, a team Dak Prescott holds an 11-2 record against but coming in here with plenty of fire power against this struggling Cowboys defense. For the Cowboys this will be all about trying to control QB Jaydon Daniels. But then Washington will have its hands full dealing with a healthy Cowboys passing game.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys. This is Mick.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Shot streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com and the official
Dallas Cowboys At now here are Bill Jones, Heckmharrison, Everson Wolves,
and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well, good afternoon, Cowboy Nation, and welcome, Good afternoon, Cowboy Nation,
and welcome to the Taj Mahal of football at the
SWBC Mortgage Podcast studio here in Frisco, at the star
home of your Dallas Cowboys. You are now rocking with
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a Super Bowl champion that loves to play golf. He's
already given us the morning about his attendance for next week.
But he is a Super Bowl champion. And my Mayor
Everson Walls is in the building. And the man that
the show is named after, Mickey Spagnola, graced us with
his presence. He is here today as well. Bill Jones
(01:15):
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with my co host first to see how your mind
is and see how you're doing.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Everson, how are you, sir?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
My mind is good and I'm glad you you asked,
because everyone's not doing as well as we want them
to believe. And I'm just blessed that I have, you know,
a good, good, good people in my life.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
That's awesome, man, sir, that is awesome. Mickey, how are you?
Speaker 6 (01:46):
I'm good, happy to be here, happy to be here.
All their game on the docking.
Speaker 7 (01:51):
Yeah, we got a big one. We got a big one, guys.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And as I've gone through this and looked at the
you know, I'm sure you got an opportunity to gaze
at the rundown for today, of.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
Course, and you know I'm sway wait, let me give
a like, Okay, I give it.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Look at it, well, look at it one more time,
because I think where we start is in your just
evaluation of the Washington commanders this week. What has you
the most worried about this young commander's squad?
Speaker 7 (02:22):
Mickey? Oh, Jaydon Daniels, Jayden Daniels. I was gonna say.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
That the Cowboys health going into the game.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
What is it about Jayden and Daniels as a quarterback
that really has you more because.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
He'll take off and run when you're expecting it and
when you're least expecting it, and you better be ready.
And that combined with his ability to throw the ball
that improved greatly his rookie year from when he was
in college, which really surprised me because when I would
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watch him at LAH it was like, Oh, just force
him to throw the ball, do not let him run.
And the fact that his accuracy and recognition downfield improved
as a rookie greatly made him even that more dangerous
because he can run the ball. And uh, yeah, that
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that's the part that scares me the most. You can
tell me about Scataboo and McLaurin and whatever they're doing
on a defense that's kind of average. I think this
is on him and I think it proved out last
week in the loss right they turned the ball over.
He had a late turnover that led to the winning
field goal. U. So yeah, to me, it's all about
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Jayden Daniels and his youth.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I think if you're the Cowboys, that's something that you
want to attack. You want to, you know, put him
in unfamiliar situations if you can yes.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
Not that saying a lot to pay. That's the biggest thing, right.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Well, yeah, because our big enemy from doing that is ourselves,
because our defense will not allow us to get in
a comfortable situation or even have a comfortable lead at
this point.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
I like Jayden Daniels a lot.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
His overall game is amazing to me, but it's just
like anything else. Sometimes he goes He goes to the
well too often when it comes to running the ball.
And I get it, he's got that ability, but you've
got a lot of guys out there that are trying
to come at you on defense, and as a running quarterback,
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I don't know what who that backup is? Who is
the backup?
Speaker 7 (04:37):
Oh, Marcus Mariota, Mariota Mariota Marioda. Okay, yeah, he think
he did it's dirty last year, didn't he. We're about
to win the game.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
They split They they lost lost the game to him
the last game of the thought, but they beat Washington
the first time Turpin had a kickoff for a touchdown.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Not just kickover, be kickoff return.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
We talked about it, yes, right, And then the fact
that they tried to onside kick when they got within
one point after missing their extra point and then Janier
Thomas took it to the house forty three yards.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
It just this a rivalry first of all, a divisional
rivalry game, so's no telling what can happen out there.
I look for it to be a close game, but
I don't want I don't want us to put Washington
in a position doing it just like we did last
week Carolina to where we have to stop them to
win the game with one score. I just I could
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beg all I want, I could have all the optimism
I want at this moment, like this is going to
be the moment where everything changes. At this point, I
don't believe that our defense can answer the bell when
it comes to Wow.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I mean, you have no proof.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
I have none. I hate saying this, but I have
no proof.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
And you know, when you're talking about division right with,
this game is extremely important.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yes, and so many ways.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Our record needs to be around five hundred going into
US so we can keep up with the rest of
the people in NFC East. Then FC East alone, we
could lose track of it. Hopefully not because everyone's kind
of losing at this point. But when you have opportunities,
you need to take advantage of them. This is an
opportunity for this team to do something with the bad
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defense that we had.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Well, if you think about the two of the three
losses and the tie, they had opportunities right and then
either tied or got beat. You know, you mentioned the
rivalry and somehow Cowboys Commanders doesn't have the same field
Cowboys of course not and I the same right organization
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without Redskins out.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
There, it's completely different.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Mentally, it feels different because it doesn't go back to
what you remember on thanksgivingsnection it is. It's a disconnect
and I don't know how you and I guess renew
the rivalry. But since twenty twenty one, the Dallas Cowboys
in nineteen and seven against NFC East opponents and that's
a damn good record. I think you'll take that. But
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this season is a little bit different for some reason,
in the aura around the team, I think it's a
little bit different. But the thing that worries me in
this game is Jayden Daniels. But Cliff Kingsbury, the offensive coordinator,
the once Arizona head coach who has found a home
in Washington, d C.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And has a offense to go with it.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
A young quarterback that I believe you know, admires him
and is really running his offense to the t. The
way that our defense is struggling in communication and his
creativity as an offensive coordinator is that it's not And
that's why ebra Flus's interview today is so important because
he understands that he has his hands full with an
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offense that has a bunch of artillery. And you take
into account of guy like scared Terry McLaurin if he
is healthy enough to come back, Deebo Samuels, that's Zach
zach Ernst the tight end. But they have some role
players and you know it's one of those Gladys Knight
and the Pips. One thing you don't want to do
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is get beat by the Pips, right Well, they they
have some pips out there. They can run the hell
out the ball and running back is concerned. I think
the thing that the reason the rivalry is.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
A little bit different now because the Redskins, the Commanders
have not shown up in the division. You know what
made the Redskins, I'm sorry, what made the rivalry with
the commander the Redskins at the time so important was
we were always at the top of the NFC East
one of the other.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
And you know, so we got accustomed to that.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
That makes a great rivalry because the games mean something.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
You know, at each time, this game means something.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
I think these two quarterbacks, they really are at the
quam of the crop as far as the NFL's concern,
and I think.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
They would bring back the sense.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Of rivalry just from the competition between those two alone.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Well, if you think about it, the rivalry really didn't
get started. I mean, I know how it got started.
I should do this again because every year they play,
I bring built a copy of my book.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
Yeah, just to remind him, and he.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Goes, I got about three right, right right, just trying
to help you out. But the rivalry really didn't start
to the early seventies when Georgia Allen was out there.
They got back, and now they took something away from
what the Cowboys thought was their inalienable right.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
They go to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Win the NFC, and all of a sudden they got
beat playoffs by them.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
And then he tore down He tore down the signs
right all around Texas Stadium. You know you're too young.
They tore down those signs all around Texas. Google's my friends,
very disrespectful.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
You tell down my sign man. Some fans didn't jump
down there on joy.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
And then the Cowboys got into it when no, it
was too tall, thought that they had uh sent the
funeral reef to them in seventy nine, remember, And then
they beat them and it was Harvey.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
There wasn't no Harvey Harvey and threw it into the
dog one jet.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
They were all kneeling, They were kneeling in the locker
room crying.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
They made them start.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Grown men cried, you know, and even when they told Harvey,
but you know, we've done the research and nobody from
the Redskins did this. It was somebody from the Cowboys
senate to them, just acting like it came from that
was Washington, d C.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
Because that was an exciting was that the game.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
That was on that game for two years Hill that's
right on Lamar Parris, right, yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
And they beat them because the winner was going to
win the end nfcast. The loser was not going to
be in the playoffs, right, so it was a big deal.
And Harvey walked over there in full uniform helmet. I
pulled open the door because he didn't even know how
to get there. Somebody had to show him how to
get to the visitors locker room and threw it in,
slid it on the floor, and they were all on
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their knees saying Postgate prayer.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Yeah right, Hobby More.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
That was part of the rival of that just kind
of went into the eighties and and really even in
the nineties when the Cowboys got good and the Redskins.
So the bottom line when you said, you know, they
usually one or the other with winning the division. The
year we wrote the book was the first year and
forever neither one went the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Right?
Speaker 7 (11:49):
That do for me nice time?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
So are you saying that we need to call Golden
Gate funeral home to the Star?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I mean because at this point when you when you
think about this defense and you think about that, and
I think that's the one thing that gives you pause
about this game is how is our defense going to
handle the artillery uh that they deal with that that
the Washington commanders have. Do you think it's going to
have to start first with being able to stop the run?
(12:22):
And if so, who in the hell do you have
on this roster in that starting eleven that you trust
that can can stop the run.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
As far as the run is concerned, I don't see
us doing well. Uh, this team is very good at
running the ball. The running back, I can't remember his name,
but he's a little bitty guy and he.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Chris Crosskey, Maryrior, I mean Bill, excuse me, not Chris.
I'm thinking Chris Bill Bill Crossby.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
And I said scatterb I meant cross Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yeah, well Crosskey if I can just call him that,
this Bill, this guy is really good.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
He fits in with this offense that has a lot
of talent on it. I think Noah Brown is on IR.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yes, he's he's injured.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
He's injured.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
He he was listed. I think they put him by
an IR finally, So they've got some injuries to deal with.
They do by the way they do, and by the
way their defense is ranked twenty six and they are
three and three. So let's not build them up.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
No, not doing that.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Lord, No, they've got as many losses as the Cowboysts, right.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I think we're I think building them up comes from
what we just experienced versus the Panthers, and and that's
why we started with the offense, because we realize that
if they're able to get their running game going, then
all of the other weapons that we're talking about are
going to be at Jaydon Daniels disposal.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Well, they're going to score thirty points. And see it's
up to the Cowboys offense to score thirty.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
So so I heard someone talking about it last night
and it makes it Listen, do we need to start
extending our drives through down?
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Do we need stuff?
Speaker 6 (14:02):
Don't want to have big play?
Speaker 7 (14:03):
Got going for worth down?
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Like we gotta go for if it's sort of like
that possession of the game we have to against Carolina.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
We have to settle for a field goal. We got
to stop selling for field goals. Our offense. We've got
to ride it more, I mean, more than what we have.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
And that's saying a lot compared to what our office
has been doing right now. As far as I'm concerned,
fourth and five, we gotta go for it. Fourth and five, fourth.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
And five, you gotta go for it.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Well, depending on I mean, you got to go for
it if you were at when you're going for you know,
but you gotta be on their side.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Of the fifty.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
That's not necessarily.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Because if not, it's a touchdown going the other way.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
The last thing you want.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
To do is put that defense out there to defend
the short field.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
All I'm saying is this, our offense needs to extend
their drives, the ability to continue a drive.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
I don't think we do. I love our special teams.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
We got one of the best special teams around, punter
and kicker, one of the best in the NFL. But
as far as I'm concerned, we don't need them. We
need points, We need touchdowns. We need touchdowns. We've been
doing that over times. We've had two over time.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
But you don't want to see the punter out there
on your own thirty yarp Campbell.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
You got to do something. As far as I'm concerned,
the games that we that were in that we had
that was intact. It was because our offense was aggressive. Yeah,
and we need to stay aggressive. I'm sorry we running
the ball. I didn't like it. First of all, no
one ever talked about how badly we ran the ball
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this last week. Yeah, not only that, I mean, how
do we how do we let them stop us running
the ball when we have such when we're so high
on our offensive line. We have not talked about that
all this week. About once again, injuries. I do get that,
but we have had this next man up attitude all year.
All of a sudden, this game against a weak defensive.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Team, the evidence changed because what happened was you ran
into two defensive tackles that just completely just stimied everything
that you know. That's oh my god, man, number ninety five.
I mean, they had some guys that were killing us
up front. They owned the line of scrimmage're talking about
point of attack, they were taking their defensive line.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Oh my gosh, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
When you turn on the tape for Carolina, just recognized
the way that number ninety five they didn't have an
answer for him, and then they had number ninety four
or another guy.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
That just it was unblockable.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
So then if you look at the commanders, do we
have those same issues as far as.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Well, I'm sure they went to work on how the
Panther schemed the Cowboys offense. Right, But having said that,
they did score twenty seven points and should have had
more right kicking two field goals inside the ten yard right.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
So so see, so let's say look at those two plays.
Do you go for those on fourth down if we're
in that same position now instead of kicking the field
goal instead of kicking field goals. Do we do we
do that? I mean, do we go for it? And
see that's the mindset. I'm thinking, no more field goals
inside the ten, no more field goals inside the fire.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I'm going for it like this.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
The problem with the one is they started at first
and goal at the eighth. Yeah, and they finished that
first and fourth and goal at the nine, right, So
you had three plays.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
I understand.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
I understand, Bill gotta stuff.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
We have to start thinking this way. We have to.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I mean, we're waiting on this defense. Man, we're waiting
on it. We'll wait Chicago, you know. But Jets, here
we go.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
Jets.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
They kicked a field goal tie game, and they stopped him,
got the ball to forty six yard line and went
three and out, which gave them the ball and they
ate up the final what six seven?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
So and that's on the defense.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
The thinking.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
The thinking was good, but you know.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
It's okay to go three and now, but six minutes.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
To go in the game, you thought, get the ball back. Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Did everybody.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It's not those guys, I mean, but they've were That's
and that's the the argument I think for Cowboy fans
is that we're expecting Dak to be perfect in every situation,
and he has to be. At this point, if you're
talking about we're waiting on the defense, Mickey just said it.
The Commanders are going to score thirty points. You're basically
(18:51):
in a shootout. That means that the Cowboys have to
score thirty five every week, every week. This is where
we are, and I think we have to that. We're
not even talking about maybe the defense can get a
stop because even in those games that go back to
Green Bay, you score and was it forty six seconds left?
That they went down in forty six seconds? And I
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mean we're not talking about six minutes. I mean so,
I mean you talk about six minutes versus forty six.
As a defender, you're thinking, man, forty there's no way,
there's no way, there's no way.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
There's no way they're going to be able to get
down most enough on this box, No way. I was
having such a good time, man, and they just ruined it.
I couldn't sit at the last drive. I just couldn't
sit there and watch it.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
And you scored thirty seven points, Yes you did, And
you have to go to overtime at home and then
you scored forty.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Yeah, so you can't even talk about the crowd. You
can't even you can't even use that mo man.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
No, that was very Hey, that was very unique.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
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to talk about our great wide receiver and severs.
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Speaker 4 (22:49):
Of the money?
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Yes, oh my god, I am no.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
No, they fired him, so they had to buy out
his coach. Yes, the coach. My fifty million dollars. That's
a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot of money.
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Speaker 6 (23:18):
If his ego is okay.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I think you know what, Mickey, I could buy another
ego fifty million dollars.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
I'll be all right with that.
Speaker 10 (23:28):
The math on that was twenty thousand dollars of the
day a day for the next six years. He got
million dollars buyout, twenty million dollars a day for the next.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Six twenty thousand dollars a day for the next six.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
So there's probably a deal in there. If he takes
another job, they'll pay the difference.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
But I would take it in that.
Speaker 10 (23:55):
In that deal, just I found out that he has
to look for a he has to actively look for
a job.
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It has to be over eight million.
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I got a lot of friends out there.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
They say, no, hey, hey, I'll interview with you, but
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Speaker 5 (24:14):
You imagine just call me, hey, I'll interview me, and.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
You kidding me? How are you?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Are you kidding me? So look, we'll get away. We'll
get away from that in state. I'm sure a lot
of people in Happy Valley are not happy about that.
But you have the injury report. You got to tell
me who's good.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Please, Well, when you got it, I saw all this.
They had ten guys limited but no d n p s,
so that was an improvement. And four of the guys
limited they're.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Just hurt, they're not injured.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Well, it's guys coming back from injuries. They did not
practice the last few weeks, so you get Tyler Booker
limited and he looks like he's good to ceedee lamb.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
We discussed it, right, he's breathing.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Jack Sanborn had to pass one more cognitive tests to
get out of concussion of protocol and he was in
helmet and pads yesterday, so I think it depended on
how much he did and then how well he woke
up this morning and Cavante Turpin with the foot was
in helmet and shoulder pads, so he was good to
(25:26):
go to see those guys now limited after they had
not practiced for two three weeks, I thought was pretty
darn encouraging. The other one, Kaylin Carson, who he and
Mingo now are this week, will complete their twenty one
day practice session. We talked about it, Yes, yes, we did.
(25:47):
So he's listed as full. They do have a roster
spot available from Jalen Cropper, okay, right, and I think
he's it's going to get back on the practice squad,
so if they want, they can all of he can
be active. Now they don't have to do. We talked
(26:07):
about it yesterday. The twenty one days are up after
the end of the week, so by next Wednesday is
when they have to decide are you taking them off
IR and putting them on the fifty three or are
you leaving them on IR. So they got a decision
to make with those two guys.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
League Hooker.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Hooker got put on IR.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I believe. So his window is now, he's.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Got two weeks, two more weeks that on IR and
then the window can open to practice. So he's going
to be out a while. And then and as we
talked about with Overshown, you know, they haven't even started
his window, and I'm sure they'll use all twenty one
of those days to ramp him up. So you're looking
(26:54):
the middle of November maybe or after Thanksgiving one of
the too. So that's where those guys are. The other
guys limited, Keegan Cornelius, Marshawn Neeland's been dealing with an ankle.
Tyler Smith they got listed a knee, but he played
last week. Donovan Wilson played last week and he's got
(27:17):
an elbow and a knee. Hopefully it's not all on
the same side. So anyway, they listed Diggs in Houston
also as fully practicing.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
But you didn't say Bland.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
He's not even on it.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Good something, so of Ceedee Lamb Ceedee Lamb was was
who I was. I was talking about guys as a
great receive wide receiver.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
That is going to be back and having him back.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
We touched on it a little bit, but I really
think for Dak his man, he's got to be giddy
with excitement to have these two guys on the field
at the same time. Now having that connection with George Pickens,
but now you know the connection that he has with
Ceedee Lamb. Mickey, you have plenty of experience with high
ankle springs, not as an athlete.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
One of.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You have plenty of experience there you go with the
high but high ankle springs. When you've seen guys come back,
especially from a skill position standpoint, what's your expectation from
CD coming back in and it pretty much a must win?
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Normally when I hear that, it's four to six weeks. Uh,
so his he's been out what three weeks and this
would be leading up to the fourth so uh. Usually
when they let him back, then they're ready to go.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
They don't take a chance because I know Jim Auer
and Britt Brown, their motto is I'm not going to
let you play and then you come back to me
because you irritated what you just recovered. So usually when
they put him out there, sometimes it takes two weeks
of practice. But Schottenheimer sagn pretty confident that he'd be
(29:07):
ready to go. And you can see when they were
doing drills out there that he was running pretty well,
so he wasn't favoring it. So yeah, And I thought
the week before when I saw him doing his rehab
on the cords, he was moving really well. And part
of that is not just step step step after the
chord comes out, they have him running like run run,
(29:29):
and he was running pretty well. So yeah, I think
he should be he should be good to go. Obviously,
Booker just needs to run five yards, right, he'll be
good to go. We'll see on sandboard. And then same
thing with Cavante Turpin. He was running in the drills
very well. Yeah, and that's a good thing that even
(29:52):
if you just say go out there and catch it,
at least he's got experience in the NFL doing that, right.
And then after that everything so uh, and I'm sure
Washington will have a bullseye on him.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
When you look at the matchups between wide receivers and cornerbacks.
Obviously we have the advantage offensive, I would think. So
now you're talking about giving these guys a little bit
of assistance, whether it's from a linebacker or whether it's
from a safety, and that bodes well for our running
game because now you can't crowd the line of scrimmage
(30:28):
with anyone you take it. You're just messing with fire
if you do that. And so I think our offense
knows that. I think Shoddy knows that's what's gonna happen.
They're gonna be double team in one or the other
or both.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
They're gonna double team George Pickens.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Because he's feeling it right now.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
He's feeling it.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I mean, every team that's coming that's gonna come in
is going to because he gives you the viable threat
from everywhere because for who he is as a wide receiver.
Ceedee Lamb in this matchups like saferest they have with
Marshall Latimore. You know Marshall, Yeah, so great for this
to play for the Saints, but also a good to
great cornerback in the NFL. That's a matchup for me.
(31:09):
Ceedee Lamb one on one with Marshall and Laddimow. I'm
gonna expose that all day, every day. And so that's
where I think. Now when Ceedee Lamb getting back on
the runway, it's going to be so much more dangerous
for this offense. Oh and by the way, if you
are a Commander's fan, to watch any Commander's football, they
have a linebacker by the name.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Of Frankie Louvu, number four.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
I don't know if you know much about this young
man ever since he is the real deal. He is,
and they dan Quinn moves him around and from the edge,
blitzing from the middle. He does a lot of different
things for them. But they have Drince Armstrong, don't forget
about DNAs Deron Payne, you know Deron Payin. But they
have Javon kin Law. They have a bunch of weapons
(31:52):
over there defensively, but for some reason it just hasn't
been coming together.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
For them well defensively. That number twenty seven, twenty sixth
in the NFL. I'm man, If I'm DAK, I'm I'm ready.
If I'm c D, I don't care who's over there.
I'm ready. So once again I'm looking for the running
game to improve from last week, because there's no way
they're going to leave our guys out there that they're
(32:17):
guys out there against our guys one on one. So
Ferguson look forward to having another good game because they're
gonna be they're going to be doubling those guys on
the out side.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Bill Jones is back with us. No oh no, you
can still hear. He got all dressed up, all dressed up.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
I should have done that for you, man, I should
have done that for you.
Speaker 11 (32:39):
Hi.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
They're probably in the apartment when we take that break.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Yeah, and we'll spray that down after you take my mind.
That's love right there. But that's love. But I give
you the back to the cliff notes, Phil. So we've talked, Yes,
we start, Yeah, we definitely.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
We definitely him and the threat that he is against
this defense. Talk about getting healthy and having ceedee Lamb back.
Everson has decided, you know, figured out that he does
have a pulse and he's breathing, so he's gonna play.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
So for the most part, we're looking at all the
all of our weapons back to go against the commanders.
Speaker 11 (33:19):
And I think also having Pickens having had this opportunity
the last few weeks to work with dak Is makes
Pickens an even better player than he was a month ago.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
And the other thing they can't count on is who's
going to be in the slot, because they ran Pickens
out of the slot, by the way, and they had
been doing that with Lamb, So they can't just assume, well,
we got these two guys on the out side, right,
is it more difficult to double the guy coming out
of the slot or you do it with a linebacker.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
And well, yeah, no movement. Movement will will dictate a
lot of things. Yeah, so it is more difficult on
the defense and subside because you got to show your cards.
It's easy for the offense to make you show your
cards with most shocking by slot guy, whether it's motion
or whatever. And most of the time when you're talking slot,
whoever that guy is, they used to double him all
(34:14):
the time because you had a safety coming down or
a third cornerback coming down. If that's what they're gonna
do with us, I love that going against Turpin, I
love that, bring that third corner down, bring that safety down.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
That would be fun. That'd be fun for Turpin.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
And they get a free release.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
Can't jam them, especially if you give them nine yards.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Of you're supposed to in a safety in but you
say at Chapel Hill, I think you can do pretty good.
Speaker 11 (34:45):
For you starting nineteen yards and winds up twenty five
yards deepens.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Safeties lined up at the Pentagon.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Tapa Bay used to have their safeties do that. They
were not even in the film. You thought they only
had ten guys playing because the safety was about twenty.
Speaker 11 (35:01):
Five years single high or single high too.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
Yeah, Beasley Reees, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
I was thinking they gave new meeting to cover two
because the two.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Were Yeah, yeah, not with with the with the no,
not that Tampa. They weren't running Tampa to that right,
we're talking to old school Beasley reees.
Speaker 11 (35:17):
Can you think of any reason why he would be
playing that deep because in fourth and three, oh no for.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
Three, I mean I can.
Speaker 11 (35:28):
I can understand from the Chicago game where you know
you were getting and.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
The Giants Giants game. Yeah, to me, that's what he's
got to be thinking. He's got to be thinking, you may.
Speaker 11 (35:40):
Have just decided that we're just going to start your
twenty yards and didn't retreat.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
When I told you that.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
But I told you earlier situational line and work your
way up.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
So from the goal line and work your way up
and when you when you.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Look at how the giants did this, you know the
safety back, You're like, you're not going to give me
this time?
Speaker 7 (35:56):
Well, yeah, well they got you another way.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
I mean from the sideline of you see that, what
you just start yelling hate?
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Come on, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Our time out time?
Speaker 5 (36:06):
You can't hear you so far back, he can't hear you.
Speaker 11 (36:11):
That would be saving our two timeouts left. Yeah, right
after that, rin o'dowdell nine yard run.
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Speaker 11 (38:52):
Segment three of a free Thursday edition of Mixed Shots. Sure, Luke,
did you yeah? And the coach is in good mood? Good, Okay,
he's gotten over ad night rule. Sounds like we're going
to have better run fits on defense this week. Okay,
(39:13):
that's been the point of emphasis run fits.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
Did you wish him happy birthday?
Speaker 11 (39:16):
We did wish happy birthday number fifty two for him
and try to quit counting birthdays at a certain point.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
No, we Yeah, he was and he's only fifty two.
Speaker 11 (39:31):
Uh yeah, And we talked about I read the chapter,
which was a short chapter in his dad's book, Marty
Ball and Their Time Spent in Washington, which was twenty
four years ago. One season Marty Schottenheimer was the head
coach Washington, hired by Dan Snyder, And the best thing
(39:54):
that came out of it is Brian met his wife
who work for.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
You know, so he hasn't a shot game. He has
an infinity for the commander shotty goy game.
Speaker 11 (40:07):
It was funny how many years ago and that was
two thousand and one.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
Okay, yeah, back daddy line.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
What was the line that? Oh?
Speaker 7 (40:17):
What was the line that? Come on?
Speaker 6 (40:20):
Man?
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Well, you know it had to alone something like.
Speaker 11 (40:24):
It is a funny story.
Speaker 7 (40:25):
How how he was he was.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
Had to shot, try to be pool, to put it,
put ad down, try to be cool.
Speaker 11 (40:32):
He was the other day in the press, comed you
talk about six seven six seven, yeah, six seven.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Six seven, yeah, six seven, it's the young thing. Okay,
six seven Okay, y'all got me on that. We have
to talk about that. Bill knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 11 (40:48):
I had to look it up.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
Google's his friend. Also, I had I had to be told, okay,
I'll check that out. It is a thing, got a
new thing.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
It is and it is for real and if you
don't know, it really is confusing, really say it.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
Yeah, okay, it's a young thing. And if it's confusing
to us, then yes. So I had to score the
other day.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
It was six to seven and our and I lie
in the in the chat line blew up with six
seven sixty seven. I'm like, what is going on any yeah? People,
but we figured it.
Speaker 7 (41:22):
Out this what real quick? Uh.
Speaker 11 (41:25):
Schottenheimer is a funny story on how he got the
quarterbacks coaching job with Washington twenty four years ago. His
dad gets hired as the head coach, and he had
been on the staff in Kansas City and after his
dad was out of coaching for two years, worked for ESPN,
actually for one.
Speaker 7 (41:40):
Year and uh, but.
Speaker 11 (41:43):
Brian had coached at Syracuse and then for Paul Hackett
at USC and so he then goes to his dad
after he got the head coaching job at Washington, said hey,
how about me as your quarterbacks coach? And Dad's like, well, well,
and he finally relented and gave him an interview. So
he comes for an.
Speaker 7 (42:02):
Interview and who his dad?
Speaker 11 (42:06):
His dad's coming for coming for the interview. Town comes
in for the interview, okay, And they get into the
interview and then Dad looks at us, well, I got
Chris Palmer coming in for his interview here. So kicks
him out of the office and says, we'll have to
continue this interview later because I got Chris Palmer coming in.
He's interviewing for this job. And uh so the interview
(42:30):
resumes at four a m. The next morning before he
had an early flight out the next morning, and so
four am. And it's the first first guy who ever
got a job interviewing. And the guy interviewing was wearing
a robe, so they got.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
The dress that's good at dinner.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Right, had to make a swift though. You got to
make him SWI can't just give it to him.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
But what he did did he say? Why?
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Why? Why?
Speaker 11 (42:59):
He got the job because he's Brian Shunn.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
And then he followed him to San Diego and Mama
probably called, so what's the hold up?
Speaker 7 (43:08):
Right? Yeah, thank you job.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Now, now that you're reading the book and you have
a little bit more experience with Brian, what is the
like the difference that you've seen so far between the coaching.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
I want some chicken, But but what was the last part?
Speaker 11 (43:24):
You were rudely interrupted.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
What's the difference between their coaching styles?
Speaker 11 (43:28):
Oh, but Marty and Brian, I think their personalities there's
a there's a difference there.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
Although although and I've got a.
Speaker 11 (43:38):
Great friend who worked in Kansas City at the Fox affiliate.
There and just thinks the world of the Schottenheimers. So
Marty was always a great guy to cover from a
media standpoint, and a great guy. He treated his employees
just uh yeah, tremendously whatever. In fact, there's a story
from Washington in that book where Dan Daniel Snyder wanted
(44:00):
to cut costs on the media guide. Okay, and so
they wanted to make a smaller media guide, and so
they were going to take certain pages out of the
media guide of people they had, people like people that
work for the Washington Organization. Well, they're the head head
groundskeeper at the stadium had a page devoted to him.
And so they come to Marty and said, how about, okay,
(44:23):
we'll take out this page. He's like, no, we are
not taking the page out for the head grounds keeper.
Every employee in this building deserves a page in that
media guide. And so that's kind of person that Marty is. Well,
Brian has that same attitude.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
The former owner and you want to get rid of
all the yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Right, once they get rid of the owner, Yeah, that's
what they did.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Took a while, yeah, but it happened.
Speaker 11 (44:51):
Yeah, And I don't know, I meant, I think Brian
probably got I don't know if his uh personality, you know,
he's got the he's a very relationship driven, you know,
which I think is a great trait, especially taking over
this job, connecting with the scouting staff, connecting with every
different departments in the organization where everybody's on the same page.
(45:13):
Probably he's got a lot of that from his dad too.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
So who would have been the quarterback at that time?
Speaker 11 (45:20):
Jeff George was there. I think Jeff George may have
been there the previous year because North Turner was the
head coach and I was just trying to think Tony
Banks was there and who lives here locally.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Yeah, yeah, but Marty, Marty have the reputation has been
a you know, a harday yeah coach, which is completely
different than what you think of Brian Schottenhamer As far
as his reputation, I.
Speaker 11 (45:51):
Think, but I don't think he was like that off
the field. It was his reputation. Was that was his
coaching style as far as the way his team plays, Yes,
you know, was.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
He had a stern look.
Speaker 7 (46:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:02):
I think Brian took uh more after from a personality
of his mom's mom. Yeah, joy right, I believe that
was it anyway, But yeah, he's because when she was
here when he got hired, she was really outgoing.
Speaker 7 (46:16):
And I said, okay, Mark.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
It seemed like he was always yelling at somebody sideline.
I mean that's what I remember, not nothing good or bad.
I just know he wanted to be heard and we
want to make sure everyone was communicating.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
I remember him more from Cleveland, right was Cleveland his
Cleveland in the early ages, and then he was in
Kansas City and then Washington and San Diego.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yeah, so now this relationships are important, and obviously I
don't know if you guys read it or saw it.
Dan Quinn's relationship with Brian Schottnhaimer going back over eighteen years.
Between those two, they've known, yeah, that they've been together
for quite a while, and they said, look, you know,
friendship be damn when we get out here on this field,
(47:00):
is you know, me versus him.
Speaker 11 (47:02):
Quinn was the d line coach for the Jets when
Schottenheimer was the offensive coordinator. So two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight is when Quinn was with the Jets.
Then he went to the Seahawks from there under Pete Carroll.
But remember in the press commers. The other day, Brian
said something about going back to Hofstra and then I
asked him, Okay, so because dan Quinn played at Hofstra
(47:26):
and then he coached at Hofstra for five years from
like ninety six to two thousand. Okay, so where were
the connection to come there?
Speaker 4 (47:33):
He said?
Speaker 11 (47:33):
It was because the Jets trained at Hofstra.
Speaker 6 (47:36):
Yeah, and so.
Speaker 11 (47:39):
When Dan was there, he was a big man on
campus and during training camp because he knew all the
people at Hofstra.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
So look at us connecting all the dots, uh huh.
Speaker 11 (47:48):
And then he and more recently twenty twenty two, I
mean we talk about we talked about Mike McCarthy's relationship
with I heard it Mike McCarthy's relationship with Schottenheimer coming here,
But truly it was dan Quinn's relationship with Schottenheimer that
(48:10):
got Brian here in twenty twenty two, and why he
was working with the defense more so than the offense.
Not to say that Mike didn't want him here, but
what real, what sold it was he was going to
be working hand in hand with dan Quinn, and he
was helping dan Quinn with the defense by basically being
an advanced scout and.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
But they said know a lot about each other. Yeah,
they know a lot about each other. How they play
calling and everything.
Speaker 11 (48:36):
Well, and Joett Junior is a play caller and defense
and he was here too, and so yeah.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
So that cancels everything out.
Speaker 7 (48:42):
It does? It does?
Speaker 6 (48:43):
No one's got it. Okay, you need another copy of
the book on the Rivalry, or he got enough.
Speaker 7 (48:51):
I seemed to bring that.
Speaker 6 (48:53):
I seemed to bring it to you every year.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
He's another one.
Speaker 6 (48:56):
I got one.
Speaker 11 (48:57):
Bring it tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (48:58):
I'll bring it tomorrow.
Speaker 11 (49:00):
Okay, on it's already Friday. We're not playing their fight song,
are we No, we're not playing that fight song. That
will play other fight songs.
Speaker 6 (49:13):
So even though the rivalry started with their fight song.
Speaker 11 (49:17):
Right, Okay, that story tomorrow on the next edition of
Mixed Shots Old Cowboys.
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And as I've gone through this and looked at the
you know, I'm sure you got an opportunity to gaze
at the rundown for today, of.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
Course, and you know I'm sway wait, let me give
a like, Okay, I give it.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Look at it, well, look at it one more time,
because I think where we start is in your just
evaluation of the Washington commanders this week. What has you
the most worried about this young commander's squad?
Speaker 7 (02:22):
Mickey? Oh, Jaydon Daniels, Jayden Daniels. I was gonna say.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
That the Cowboys health going into the game.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
What is it about Jayden and Daniels as a quarterback
that really has you more because.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
He'll take off and run when you're expecting it and
when you're least expecting it, and you better be ready.
And that combined with his ability to throw the ball
that improved greatly his rookie year from when he was
in college, which really surprised me because when I would
(02:59):
watch him at LAH it was like, Oh, just force
him to throw the ball, do not let him run.
And the fact that his accuracy and recognition downfield improved
as a rookie greatly made him even that more dangerous
because he can run the ball. And uh, yeah, that
(03:20):
that's the part that scares me the most. You can
tell me about Scataboo and McLaurin and whatever they're doing
on a defense that's kind of average. I think this
is on him and I think it proved out last
week in the loss right they turned the ball over.
He had a late turnover that led to the winning
field goal. U. So yeah, to me, it's all about
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Jayden Daniels and his youth.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I think if you're the Cowboys, that's something that you
want to attack. You want to, you know, put him
in unfamiliar situations if you can yes.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
Not that saying a lot to pay. That's the biggest thing, right.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Well, yeah, because our big enemy from doing that is ourselves,
because our defense will not allow us to get in
a comfortable situation or even have a comfortable lead at
this point.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
I like Jayden Daniels a lot.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
His overall game is amazing to me, but it's just
like anything else. Sometimes he goes He goes to the
well too often when it comes to running the ball.
And I get it, he's got that ability, but you've
got a lot of guys out there that are trying
to come at you on defense, and as a running quarterback,
(04:32):
I don't know what who that backup is? Who is
the backup?
Speaker 7 (04:37):
Oh, Marcus Mariota, Mariota Mariota Marioda. Okay, yeah, he think
he did it's dirty last year, didn't he. We're about
to win the game.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
They split They they lost lost the game to him
the last game of the thought, but they beat Washington
the first time Turpin had a kickoff for a touchdown.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Not just kickover, be kickoff return.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
We talked about it, yes, right, And then the fact
that they tried to onside kick when they got within
one point after missing their extra point and then Janier
Thomas took it to the house forty three yards.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
It just this a rivalry first of all, a divisional
rivalry game, so's no telling what can happen out there.
I look for it to be a close game, but
I don't want I don't want us to put Washington
in a position doing it just like we did last
week Carolina to where we have to stop them to
win the game with one score. I just I could
(05:39):
beg all I want, I could have all the optimism
I want at this moment, like this is going to
be the moment where everything changes. At this point, I
don't believe that our defense can answer the bell when
it comes to Wow.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I mean, you have no proof.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
I have none. I hate saying this, but I have
no proof.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
And you know, when you're talking about division right with,
this game is extremely important.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yes, and so many ways.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Our record needs to be around five hundred going into
US so we can keep up with the rest of
the people in NFC East. Then FC East alone, we
could lose track of it. Hopefully not because everyone's kind
of losing at this point. But when you have opportunities,
you need to take advantage of them. This is an
opportunity for this team to do something with the bad
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defense that we had.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Well, if you think about the two of the three
losses and the tie, they had opportunities right and then
either tied or got beat. You know, you mentioned the
rivalry and somehow Cowboys Commanders doesn't have the same field
Cowboys of course not and I the same right organization
(06:51):
without Redskins out.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
There, it's completely different.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Mentally, it feels different because it doesn't go back to
what you remember on thanksgivingsnection it is. It's a disconnect
and I don't know how you and I guess renew
the rivalry. But since twenty twenty one, the Dallas Cowboys
in nineteen and seven against NFC East opponents and that's
a damn good record. I think you'll take that. But
(07:15):
this season is a little bit different for some reason,
in the aura around the team, I think it's a
little bit different. But the thing that worries me in
this game is Jayden Daniels. But Cliff Kingsbury, the offensive coordinator,
the once Arizona head coach who has found a home
in Washington, d C.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And has a offense to go with it.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
A young quarterback that I believe you know, admires him
and is really running his offense to the t. The
way that our defense is struggling in communication and his
creativity as an offensive coordinator is that it's not And
that's why ebra Flus's interview today is so important because
he understands that he has his hands full with an
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offense that has a bunch of artillery. And you take
into account of guy like scared Terry McLaurin if he
is healthy enough to come back, Deebo Samuels, that's Zach
zach Ernst the tight end. But they have some role
players and you know it's one of those Gladys Knight
and the Pips. One thing you don't want to do
(08:20):
is get beat by the Pips, right Well, they they
have some pips out there. They can run the hell
out the ball and running back is concerned. I think
the thing that the reason the rivalry is.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
A little bit different now because the Redskins, the Commanders
have not shown up in the division. You know what
made the Redskins, I'm sorry, what made the rivalry with
the commander the Redskins at the time so important was
we were always at the top of the NFC East
one of the other.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
And you know, so we got accustomed to that.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
That makes a great rivalry because the games mean something.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
You know, at each time, this game means something.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
I think these two quarterbacks, they really are at the
quam of the crop as far as the NFL's concern,
and I think.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
They would bring back the sense.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Of rivalry just from the competition between those two alone.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Well, if you think about it, the rivalry really didn't
get started. I mean, I know how it got started.
I should do this again because every year they play,
I bring built a copy of my book.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
Yeah, just to remind him, and he.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Goes, I got about three right, right right, just trying
to help you out. But the rivalry really didn't start
to the early seventies when Georgia Allen was out there.
They got back, and now they took something away from
what the Cowboys thought was their inalienable right.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
They go to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Win the NFC, and all of a sudden they got
beat playoffs by them.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
And then he tore down He tore down the signs
right all around Texas Stadium. You know you're too young.
They tore down those signs all around Texas. Google's my friends,
very disrespectful.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
You tell down my sign man. Some fans didn't jump
down there on joy.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
And then the Cowboys got into it when no, it
was too tall, thought that they had uh sent the
funeral reef to them in seventy nine, remember, And then
they beat them and it was Harvey.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
There wasn't no Harvey Harvey and threw it into the
dog one jet.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
They were all kneeling, They were kneeling in the locker
room crying.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
They made them start.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Grown men cried, you know, and even when they told Harvey,
but you know, we've done the research and nobody from
the Redskins did this. It was somebody from the Cowboys
senate to them, just acting like it came from that
was Washington, d C.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
Because that was an exciting was that the game.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
That was on that game for two years Hill that's
right on Lamar Parris, right, yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
And they beat them because the winner was going to
win the end nfcast. The loser was not going to
be in the playoffs, right, so it was a big deal.
And Harvey walked over there in full uniform helmet. I
pulled open the door because he didn't even know how
to get there. Somebody had to show him how to
get to the visitors locker room and threw it in,
slid it on the floor, and they were all on
(11:18):
their knees saying Postgate prayer.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Yeah right, Hobby More.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
That was part of the rival of that just kind
of went into the eighties and and really even in
the nineties when the Cowboys got good and the Redskins.
So the bottom line when you said, you know, they
usually one or the other with winning the division. The
year we wrote the book was the first year and
forever neither one went the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Right?
Speaker 7 (11:49):
That do for me nice time?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
So are you saying that we need to call Golden
Gate funeral home to the Star?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I mean because at this point when you when you
think about this defense and you think about that, and
I think that's the one thing that gives you pause
about this game is how is our defense going to
handle the artillery uh that they deal with that that
the Washington commanders have. Do you think it's going to
have to start first with being able to stop the run?
(12:22):
And if so, who in the hell do you have
on this roster in that starting eleven that you trust
that can can stop the run.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
As far as the run is concerned, I don't see
us doing well. Uh, this team is very good at
running the ball. The running back, I can't remember his name,
but he's a little bitty guy and he.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Chris Crosskey, Maryrior, I mean Bill, excuse me, not Chris.
I'm thinking Chris Bill Bill Crossby.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
And I said scatterb I meant cross Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yeah, well Crosskey if I can just call him that,
this Bill, this guy is really good.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
He fits in with this offense that has a lot
of talent on it. I think Noah Brown is on IR.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yes, he's he's injured.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
He's injured.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
He he was listed. I think they put him by
an IR finally, So they've got some injuries to deal with.
They do by the way they do, and by the
way their defense is ranked twenty six and they are
three and three. So let's not build them up.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
No, not doing that.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Lord, No, they've got as many losses as the Cowboysts, right.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I think we're I think building them up comes from
what we just experienced versus the Panthers, and and that's
why we started with the offense, because we realize that
if they're able to get their running game going, then
all of the other weapons that we're talking about are
going to be at Jaydon Daniels disposal.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Well, they're going to score thirty points. And see it's
up to the Cowboys offense to score thirty.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
So so I heard someone talking about it last night
and it makes it Listen, do we need to start
extending our drives through down?
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Do we need stuff?
Speaker 6 (14:02):
Don't want to have big play?
Speaker 7 (14:03):
Got going for worth down?
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Like we gotta go for if it's sort of like
that possession of the game we have to against Carolina.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
We have to settle for a field goal. We got
to stop selling for field goals. Our offense. We've got
to ride it more, I mean, more than what we have.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
And that's saying a lot compared to what our office
has been doing right now. As far as I'm concerned,
fourth and five, we gotta go for it. Fourth and five, fourth.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
And five, you gotta go for it.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Well, depending on I mean, you got to go for
it if you were at when you're going for you know,
but you gotta be on their side.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Of the fifty.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
That's not necessarily.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Because if not, it's a touchdown going the other way.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
The last thing you want.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
To do is put that defense out there to defend
the short field.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
All I'm saying is this, our offense needs to extend
their drives, the ability to continue a drive.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
I don't think we do. I love our special teams.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
We got one of the best special teams around, punter
and kicker, one of the best in the NFL. But
as far as I'm concerned, we don't need them. We
need points, We need touchdowns. We need touchdowns. We've been
doing that over times. We've had two over time.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
But you don't want to see the punter out there
on your own thirty yarp Campbell.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
You got to do something. As far as I'm concerned,
the games that we that were in that we had
that was intact. It was because our offense was aggressive. Yeah,
and we need to stay aggressive. I'm sorry we running
the ball. I didn't like it. First of all, no
one ever talked about how badly we ran the ball
(15:47):
this last week. Yeah, not only that, I mean, how
do we how do we let them stop us running
the ball when we have such when we're so high
on our offensive line. We have not talked about that
all this week. About once again, injuries. I do get that,
but we have had this next man up attitude all year.
All of a sudden, this game against a weak defensive.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Team, the evidence changed because what happened was you ran
into two defensive tackles that just completely just stimied everything
that you know. That's oh my god, man, number ninety five.
I mean, they had some guys that were killing us
up front. They owned the line of scrimmage're talking about
point of attack, they were taking their defensive line.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Oh my gosh, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
When you turn on the tape for Carolina, just recognized
the way that number ninety five they didn't have an
answer for him, and then they had number ninety four
or another guy.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
That just it was unblockable.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
So then if you look at the commanders, do we
have those same issues as far as.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Well, I'm sure they went to work on how the
Panther schemed the Cowboys offense. Right, But having said that,
they did score twenty seven points and should have had
more right kicking two field goals inside the ten yard right.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
So so see, so let's say look at those two plays.
Do you go for those on fourth down if we're
in that same position now instead of kicking the field
goal instead of kicking field goals. Do we do we
do that? I mean, do we go for it? And
see that's the mindset. I'm thinking, no more field goals
inside the ten, no more field goals inside the fire.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I'm going for it like this.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
The problem with the one is they started at first
and goal at the eighth. Yeah, and they finished that
first and fourth and goal at the nine, right, So
you had three plays.
Speaker 7 (17:41):
I understand.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
I understand, Bill gotta stuff.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
We have to start thinking this way. We have to.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I mean, we're waiting on this defense. Man, we're waiting
on it. We'll wait Chicago, you know. But Jets, here
we go.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
Jets.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
They kicked a field goal tie game, and they stopped him,
got the ball to forty six yard line and went
three and out, which gave them the ball and they
ate up the final what six seven?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
So and that's on the defense.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
The thinking.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
The thinking was good, but you know.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
It's okay to go three and now, but six minutes.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
To go in the game, you thought, get the ball back. Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Did everybody.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It's not those guys, I mean, but they've were That's
and that's the the argument I think for Cowboy fans
is that we're expecting Dak to be perfect in every situation,
and he has to be. At this point, if you're
talking about we're waiting on the defense, Mickey just said it.
The Commanders are going to score thirty points. You're basically
(18:51):
in a shootout. That means that the Cowboys have to
score thirty five every week, every week. This is where
we are, and I think we have to that. We're
not even talking about maybe the defense can get a
stop because even in those games that go back to
Green Bay, you score and was it forty six seconds left?
That they went down in forty six seconds? And I
(19:13):
mean we're not talking about six minutes. I mean so,
I mean you talk about six minutes versus forty six.
As a defender, you're thinking, man, forty there's no way,
there's no way, there's no way.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
There's no way they're going to be able to get
down most enough on this box, No way. I was
having such a good time, man, and they just ruined it.
I couldn't sit at the last drive. I just couldn't
sit there and watch it.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
And you scored thirty seven points, Yes you did, And
you have to go to overtime at home and then
you scored forty.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Yeah, so you can't even talk about the crowd. You
can't even you can't even use that mo man.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
No, that was very Hey, that was very unique.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
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to talk about our great wide receiver and severs.
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Speaker 5 (22:37):
We're not talking about but did you those stay drops?
And then you're about to bring back this dude.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
No, no, no, no, no, no, not talking about I'm talking Did
you see what Penn State had to drop on James
Franklin the buyout.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Of the money?
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Yes, oh my god, I am no.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
No, they fired him, so they had to buy out
his coach. Yes, the coach. My fifty million dollars. That's
a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot of money.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
You sit there and go please a fire me me now.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
If anything starts with the fifty million, I got nothing
to do tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Golf, yeah, tee, the Burrow. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
If his ego is okay.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I think you know what, Mickey, I could buy another
ego fifty million dollars.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
I'll be all right with that.
Speaker 10 (23:28):
The math on that was twenty thousand dollars of the
day a day for the next six years. He got
million dollars buyout, twenty million dollars a day for the next.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Six twenty thousand dollars a day for the next six.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
So there's probably a deal in there. If he takes
another job, they'll pay the difference.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
But I would take it in that.
Speaker 10 (23:55):
In that deal, just I found out that he has
to look for a he has to actively look for
a job.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
It has to be over eight million.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
I got a lot of friends out there.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
They say, no, hey, hey, I'll interview with you, but
I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
You imagine just call me, hey, I'll interview me, and.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
You kidding me? How are you?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Are you kidding me? So look, we'll get away. We'll
get away from that in state. I'm sure a lot
of people in Happy Valley are not happy about that.
But you have the injury report. You got to tell
me who's good.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Please, Well, when you got it, I saw all this.
They had ten guys limited but no d n p s,
so that was an improvement. And four of the guys
limited they're.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Just hurt, they're not injured.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Well, it's guys coming back from injuries. They did not
practice the last few weeks, so you get Tyler Booker
limited and he looks like he's good to ceedee lamb.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
We discussed it, right, he's breathing.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Jack Sanborn had to pass one more cognitive tests to
get out of concussion of protocol and he was in
helmet and pads yesterday, so I think it depended on
how much he did and then how well he woke
up this morning and Cavante Turpin with the foot was
in helmet and shoulder pads, so he was good to
(25:26):
go to see those guys now limited after they had
not practiced for two three weeks, I thought was pretty
darn encouraging. The other one, Kaylin Carson, who he and
Mingo now are this week, will complete their twenty one
day practice session. We talked about it, Yes, yes, we did.
(25:47):
So he's listed as full. They do have a roster
spot available from Jalen Cropper, okay, right, and I think
he's it's going to get back on the practice squad,
so if they want, they can all of he can
be active. Now they don't have to do. We talked
(26:07):
about it yesterday. The twenty one days are up after
the end of the week, so by next Wednesday is
when they have to decide are you taking them off
IR and putting them on the fifty three or are
you leaving them on IR. So they got a decision
to make with those two guys.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
League Hooker.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Hooker got put on IR.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I believe. So his window is now, he's.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Got two weeks, two more weeks that on IR and
then the window can open to practice. So he's going
to be out a while. And then and as we
talked about with Overshown, you know, they haven't even started
his window, and I'm sure they'll use all twenty one
of those days to ramp him up. So you're looking
(26:54):
the middle of November maybe or after Thanksgiving one of
the too. So that's where those guys are. The other
guys limited, Keegan Cornelius, Marshawn Neeland's been dealing with an ankle.
Tyler Smith they got listed a knee, but he played
last week. Donovan Wilson played last week and he's got
(27:17):
an elbow and a knee. Hopefully it's not all on
the same side. So anyway, they listed Diggs in Houston
also as fully practicing.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
But you didn't say Bland.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
He's not even on it.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Good something, so of Ceedee Lamb Ceedee Lamb was was
who I was. I was talking about guys as a
great receive wide receiver.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
That is going to be back and having him back.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
We touched on it a little bit, but I really
think for Dak his man, he's got to be giddy
with excitement to have these two guys on the field
at the same time. Now having that connection with George Pickens,
but now you know the connection that he has with
Ceedee Lamb. Mickey, you have plenty of experience with high
ankle springs, not as an athlete.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
One of.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You have plenty of experience there you go with the
high but high ankle springs. When you've seen guys come back,
especially from a skill position standpoint, what's your expectation from
CD coming back in and it pretty much a must win?
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Normally when I hear that, it's four to six weeks. Uh,
so his he's been out what three weeks and this
would be leading up to the fourth so uh. Usually
when they let him back, then they're ready to go.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
They don't take a chance because I know Jim Auer
and Britt Brown, their motto is I'm not going to
let you play and then you come back to me
because you irritated what you just recovered. So usually when
they put him out there, sometimes it takes two weeks
of practice. But Schottenheimer sagn pretty confident that he'd be
(29:07):
ready to go. And you can see when they were
doing drills out there that he was running pretty well,
so he wasn't favoring it. So yeah, And I thought
the week before when I saw him doing his rehab
on the cords, he was moving really well. And part
of that is not just step step step after the
chord comes out, they have him running like run run,
(29:29):
and he was running pretty well. So yeah, I think
he should be he should be good to go. Obviously,
Booker just needs to run five yards, right, he'll be
good to go. We'll see on sandboard. And then same
thing with Cavante Turpin. He was running in the drills
very well. Yeah, and that's a good thing that even
(29:52):
if you just say go out there and catch it,
at least he's got experience in the NFL doing that, right.
And then after that everything so uh, and I'm sure
Washington will have a bullseye on him.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
When you look at the matchups between wide receivers and cornerbacks.
Obviously we have the advantage offensive, I would think. So
now you're talking about giving these guys a little bit
of assistance, whether it's from a linebacker or whether it's
from a safety, and that bodes well for our running
game because now you can't crowd the line of scrimmage
(30:28):
with anyone you take it. You're just messing with fire
if you do that. And so I think our offense
knows that. I think Shoddy knows that's what's gonna happen.
They're gonna be double team in one or the other
or both.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
They're gonna double team George Pickens.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Because he's feeling it right now.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
He's feeling it.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I mean, every team that's coming that's gonna come in
is going to because he gives you the viable threat
from everywhere because for who he is as a wide receiver.
Ceedee Lamb in this matchups like saferest they have with
Marshall Latimore. You know Marshall, Yeah, so great for this
to play for the Saints, but also a good to
great cornerback in the NFL. That's a matchup for me.
(31:09):
Ceedee Lamb one on one with Marshall and Laddimow. I'm
gonna expose that all day, every day. And so that's
where I think. Now when Ceedee Lamb getting back on
the runway, it's going to be so much more dangerous
for this offense. Oh and by the way, if you
are a Commander's fan, to watch any Commander's football, they
have a linebacker by the name.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Of Frankie Louvu, number four.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
I don't know if you know much about this young
man ever since he is the real deal. He is,
and they dan Quinn moves him around and from the edge,
blitzing from the middle. He does a lot of different
things for them. But they have Drince Armstrong, don't forget
about DNAs Deron Payne, you know Deron Payin. But they
have Javon kin Law. They have a bunch of weapons
(31:52):
over there defensively, but for some reason it just hasn't
been coming together.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
For them well defensively. That number twenty seven, twenty sixth
in the NFL. I'm man, If I'm DAK, I'm I'm ready.
If I'm c D, I don't care who's over there.
I'm ready. So once again I'm looking for the running
game to improve from last week, because there's no way
they're going to leave our guys out there that they're
(32:17):
guys out there against our guys one on one. So
Ferguson look forward to having another good game because they're
gonna be they're going to be doubling those guys on
the out side.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Bill Jones is back with us. No oh no, you
can still hear. He got all dressed up, all dressed up.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
I should have done that for you, man, I should
have done that for you.
Speaker 11 (32:39):
Hi.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
They're probably in the apartment when we take that break.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Yeah, and we'll spray that down after you take my mind.
That's love right there. But that's love. But I give
you the back to the cliff notes, Phil. So we've talked, Yes,
we start, Yeah, we definitely.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
We definitely him and the threat that he is against
this defense. Talk about getting healthy and having ceedee Lamb back.
Everson has decided, you know, figured out that he does
have a pulse and he's breathing, so he's gonna play.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
So for the most part, we're looking at all the
all of our weapons back to go against the commanders.
Speaker 11 (33:19):
And I think also having Pickens having had this opportunity
the last few weeks to work with dak Is makes
Pickens an even better player than he was a month ago.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
And the other thing they can't count on is who's
going to be in the slot, because they ran Pickens
out of the slot, by the way, and they had
been doing that with Lamb, So they can't just assume, well,
we got these two guys on the out side, right,
is it more difficult to double the guy coming out
of the slot or you do it with a linebacker.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
And well, yeah, no movement. Movement will will dictate a
lot of things. Yeah, so it is more difficult on
the defense and subside because you got to show your cards.
It's easy for the offense to make you show your
cards with most shocking by slot guy, whether it's motion
or whatever. And most of the time when you're talking slot,
whoever that guy is, they used to double him all
(34:14):
the time because you had a safety coming down or
a third cornerback coming down. If that's what they're gonna
do with us, I love that going against Turpin, I
love that, bring that third corner down, bring that safety down.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
That would be fun. That'd be fun for Turpin.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
And they get a free release.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
Can't jam them, especially if you give them nine yards.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Of you're supposed to in a safety in but you
say at Chapel Hill, I think you can do pretty good.
Speaker 11 (34:45):
For you starting nineteen yards and winds up twenty five
yards deepens.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Safeties lined up at the Pentagon.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Tapa Bay used to have their safeties do that. They
were not even in the film. You thought they only
had ten guys playing because the safety was about twenty.
Speaker 11 (35:01):
Five years single high or single high too.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
Yeah, Beasley Reees, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
I was thinking they gave new meeting to cover two
because the two.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Were Yeah, yeah, not with with the with the no,
not that Tampa. They weren't running Tampa to that right,
we're talking to old school Beasley reees.
Speaker 11 (35:17):
Can you think of any reason why he would be
playing that deep because in fourth and three, oh no for.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
Three, I mean I can.
Speaker 11 (35:28):
I can understand from the Chicago game where you know
you were getting and.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
The Giants Giants game. Yeah, to me, that's what he's
got to be thinking. He's got to be thinking, you may.
Speaker 11 (35:40):
Have just decided that we're just going to start your
twenty yards and didn't retreat.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
When I told you that.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
But I told you earlier situational line and work your
way up.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
So from the goal line and work your way up
and when you when you.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
Look at how the giants did this, you know the
safety back, You're like, you're not going to give me
this time?
Speaker 7 (35:56):
Well, yeah, well they got you another way.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
I mean from the sideline of you see that, what
you just start yelling hate?
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Come on, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Our time out time?
Speaker 5 (36:06):
You can't hear you so far back, he can't hear you.
Speaker 11 (36:11):
That would be saving our two timeouts left. Yeah, right
after that, rin o'dowdell nine yard run.
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All right.
Speaker 11 (38:52):
Segment three of a free Thursday edition of Mixed Shots. Sure, Luke,
did you yeah? And the coach is in good mood? Good, Okay,
he's gotten over ad night rule. Sounds like we're going
to have better run fits on defense this week. Okay,
(39:13):
that's been the point of emphasis run fits.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
Did you wish him happy birthday?
Speaker 11 (39:16):
We did wish happy birthday number fifty two for him
and try to quit counting birthdays at a certain point.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
No, we Yeah, he was and he's only fifty two.
Speaker 11 (39:31):
Uh yeah, And we talked about I read the chapter,
which was a short chapter in his dad's book, Marty
Ball and Their Time Spent in Washington, which was twenty
four years ago. One season Marty Schottenheimer was the head
coach Washington, hired by Dan Snyder, And the best thing
(39:54):
that came out of it is Brian met his wife
who work for.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
You know, so he hasn't a shot game. He has
an infinity for the commander shotty goy game.
Speaker 11 (40:07):
It was funny how many years ago and that was
two thousand and one.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
Okay, yeah, back daddy line.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
What was the line that? Oh?
Speaker 7 (40:17):
What was the line that? Come on?
Speaker 6 (40:20):
Man?
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Well, you know it had to alone something like.
Speaker 11 (40:24):
It is a funny story.
Speaker 7 (40:25):
How how he was he was.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
Had to shot, try to be pool, to put it,
put ad down, try to be cool.
Speaker 11 (40:32):
He was the other day in the press, comed you
talk about six seven six seven, yeah, six seven.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Six seven, yeah, six seven, it's the young thing. Okay,
six seven Okay, y'all got me on that. We have
to talk about that. Bill knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 11 (40:48):
I had to look it up.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
Google's his friend. Also, I had I had to be told, okay,
I'll check that out. It is a thing, got a
new thing.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
It is and it is for real and if you
don't know, it really is confusing, really say it.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
Yeah, okay, it's a young thing. And if it's confusing
to us, then yes. So I had to score the
other day.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
It was six to seven and our and I lie
in the in the chat line blew up with six
seven sixty seven. I'm like, what is going on any yeah? People,
but we figured it.
Speaker 7 (41:22):
Out this what real quick? Uh.
Speaker 11 (41:25):
Schottenheimer is a funny story on how he got the
quarterbacks coaching job with Washington twenty four years ago. His
dad gets hired as the head coach, and he had
been on the staff in Kansas City and after his
dad was out of coaching for two years, worked for ESPN,
actually for one.
Speaker 7 (41:40):
Year and uh, but.
Speaker 11 (41:43):
Brian had coached at Syracuse and then for Paul Hackett
at USC and so he then goes to his dad
after he got the head coaching job at Washington, said hey,
how about me as your quarterbacks coach? And Dad's like, well, well,
and he finally relented and gave him an interview. So
he comes for an.
Speaker 7 (42:02):
Interview and who his dad?
Speaker 11 (42:06):
His dad's coming for coming for the interview. Town comes
in for the interview, okay, And they get into the
interview and then Dad looks at us, well, I got
Chris Palmer coming in for his interview here. So kicks
him out of the office and says, we'll have to
continue this interview later because I got Chris Palmer coming in.
He's interviewing for this job. And uh so the interview
(42:30):
resumes at four a m. The next morning before he
had an early flight out the next morning, and so
four am. And it's the first first guy who ever
got a job interviewing. And the guy interviewing was wearing
a robe, so they got.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
The dress that's good at dinner.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Right, had to make a swift though. You got to
make him SWI can't just give it to him.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
But what he did did he say? Why?
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Why? Why?
Speaker 11 (42:59):
He got the job because he's Brian Shunn.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
And then he followed him to San Diego and Mama
probably called, so what's the hold up?
Speaker 7 (43:08):
Right? Yeah, thank you job.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Now, now that you're reading the book and you have
a little bit more experience with Brian, what is the
like the difference that you've seen so far between the coaching.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
I want some chicken, But but what was the last part?
Speaker 11 (43:24):
You were rudely interrupted.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
What's the difference between their coaching styles?
Speaker 11 (43:28):
Oh, but Marty and Brian, I think their personalities there's
a there's a difference there.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
Although although and I've got a.
Speaker 11 (43:38):
Great friend who worked in Kansas City at the Fox affiliate.
There and just thinks the world of the Schottenheimers. So
Marty was always a great guy to cover from a
media standpoint, and a great guy. He treated his employees
just uh yeah, tremendously whatever. In fact, there's a story
from Washington in that book where Dan Daniel Snyder wanted
(44:00):
to cut costs on the media guide. Okay, and so
they wanted to make a smaller media guide, and so
they were going to take certain pages out of the
media guide of people they had, people like people that
work for the Washington Organization. Well, they're the head head
groundskeeper at the stadium had a page devoted to him.
And so they come to Marty and said, how about, okay,
(44:23):
we'll take out this page. He's like, no, we are
not taking the page out for the head grounds keeper.
Every employee in this building deserves a page in that
media guide. And so that's kind of person that Marty is. Well,
Brian has that same attitude.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
The former owner and you want to get rid of
all the yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Right, once they get rid of the owner, Yeah, that's
what they did.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Took a while, yeah, but it happened.
Speaker 11 (44:51):
Yeah, And I don't know, I meant, I think Brian
probably got I don't know if his uh personality, you know,
he's got the he's a very relationship driven, you know,
which I think is a great trait, especially taking over
this job, connecting with the scouting staff, connecting with every
different departments in the organization where everybody's on the same page.
(45:13):
Probably he's got a lot of that from his dad too.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
So who would have been the quarterback at that time?
Speaker 11 (45:20):
Jeff George was there. I think Jeff George may have
been there the previous year because North Turner was the
head coach and I was just trying to think Tony
Banks was there and who lives here locally.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Yeah, yeah, but Marty, Marty have the reputation has been
a you know, a harday yeah coach, which is completely
different than what you think of Brian Schottenhamer As far
as his reputation, I.
Speaker 11 (45:51):
Think, but I don't think he was like that off
the field. It was his reputation. Was that was his
coaching style as far as the way his team plays, Yes,
you know, was.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
He had a stern look.
Speaker 7 (46:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:02):
I think Brian took uh more after from a personality
of his mom's mom. Yeah, joy right, I believe that
was it anyway, But yeah, he's because when she was
here when he got hired, she was really outgoing.
Speaker 7 (46:16):
And I said, okay, Mark.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
It seemed like he was always yelling at somebody sideline.
I mean that's what I remember, not nothing good or bad.
I just know he wanted to be heard and we
want to make sure everyone was communicating.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
I remember him more from Cleveland, right was Cleveland his
Cleveland in the early ages, and then he was in
Kansas City and then Washington and San Diego.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yeah, so now this relationships are important, and obviously I
don't know if you guys read it or saw it.
Dan Quinn's relationship with Brian Schottnhaimer going back over eighteen years.
Between those two, they've known, yeah, that they've been together
for quite a while, and they said, look, you know,
friendship be damn when we get out here on this field,
(47:00):
is you know, me versus him.
Speaker 11 (47:02):
Quinn was the d line coach for the Jets when
Schottenheimer was the offensive coordinator. So two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight is when Quinn was with the Jets.
Then he went to the Seahawks from there under Pete Carroll.
But remember in the press commers. The other day, Brian
said something about going back to Hofstra and then I
asked him, Okay, so because dan Quinn played at Hofstra
(47:26):
and then he coached at Hofstra for five years from
like ninety six to two thousand. Okay, so where were
the connection to come there?
Speaker 4 (47:33):
He said?
Speaker 11 (47:33):
It was because the Jets trained at Hofstra.
Speaker 6 (47:36):
Yeah, and so.
Speaker 11 (47:39):
When Dan was there, he was a big man on
campus and during training camp because he knew all the
people at Hofstra.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
So look at us connecting all the dots, uh huh.
Speaker 11 (47:48):
And then he and more recently twenty twenty two, I
mean we talk about we talked about Mike McCarthy's relationship
with I heard it Mike McCarthy's relationship with Schottenheimer coming here,
But truly it was dan Quinn's relationship with Schottenheimer that
(48:10):
got Brian here in twenty twenty two, and why he
was working with the defense more so than the offense.
Not to say that Mike didn't want him here, but
what real, what sold it was he was going to
be working hand in hand with dan Quinn, and he
was helping dan Quinn with the defense by basically being
an advanced scout and.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
But they said know a lot about each other. Yeah,
they know a lot about each other. How they play
calling and everything.
Speaker 11 (48:36):
Well, and Joett Junior is a play caller and defense
and he was here too, and so yeah.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
So that cancels everything out.
Speaker 7 (48:42):
It does? It does?
Speaker 6 (48:43):
No one's got it. Okay, you need another copy of
the book on the Rivalry, or he got enough.
Speaker 7 (48:51):
I seemed to bring that.
Speaker 6 (48:53):
I seemed to bring it to you every year.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
He's another one.
Speaker 6 (48:56):
I got one.
Speaker 11 (48:57):
Bring it tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (48:58):
I'll bring it tomorrow.
Speaker 11 (49:00):
Okay, on it's already Friday. We're not playing their fight song,
are we No, we're not playing that fight song. That
will play other fight songs.
Speaker 6 (49:13):
So even though the rivalry started with their fight song.
Speaker 11 (49:17):
Right, Okay, that story tomorrow on the next edition of
Mixed Shots Old Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
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