July 24, 2025 • 49 mins
Thanks to Nate we get a deep dive into second-year OT Tyler Guyton, what he thought of what Nater has said about him while looking for more advice. Then a closer look at Solomon Thomas, Kenneth Murray and the importance of the defensive line play.
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Here It is a beautiful Thursday morning in Oxnard, California,
at the corner of Ventura and Vineyard, and it is
day number three of Cowboy practices. So much hester inspired
the last forty eight hours, Bill Jones, the six time
pro bowler, Nate Newton, and a bundled up Mickey Spagnola,
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who's still trying to get used to the climbs out here.
It's actually the sun's breaking through the marine layer.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Right right now. Wow.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
But when I rode my bike in it was cold.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yes, So it went from the sun is breaking through
the clouds. So now we got the marinet the marine layer, Bill,
you can adjust well.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Today this morning was the first day that it wasn't
totally overcast. When I woke up at six, there was
actually some blue sky out there.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
And then it got covered up pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So I don't have one question that marine Is this
a new shirt?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It is? It's for training camp.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, because you won't take the tag.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So here's what I did. I just got it. There
was another tag, and I think I tagged it inside right.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
It's running out of time, okay, all right, you just
take it from the pro shop up there.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
No, they just gave it to me in the.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Tent swag bag.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
All right, very good, until you're all warm, I am good.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
All right.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
We got much to get to because we've actually been
able to watch football players on a football field, a
couple of football fields behind us here for two days,
the last couple of days, and they got to practice today,
and no practice tomorrow, a practice on Saturday, another ramp up,
the final of the ramp up practices. There's four of those,
and then they put on the pads on Sunday. Nate,
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you're looking forward to that, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yes? Serious? If that's that that you know, we we
cross one hurdle in that starting training camp. Second hurdle
is the pads, and then the fourth hurdle is the round,
I mean, ther third hold is the RAMS and the
fourth is the preseason and.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
That RAMS intra squad practice will be coming up a
week from Tuesday, so it's on down the roads in August. Fourth,
fifth day after I leave here. Ah, so, but you
two will be here.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
What if we won't let you go?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
What do you remember most from the Rams practice last year?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Asking me he beat us up? Not once?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Remember, Jared Verse?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yes, yes, yes, yes remember? And you know what, Yes
we were right about him too, Yes, sir, didn't we
make all rookie team.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Or the matchup of this training camp just like it
was the matchup of last training camp. And we'll see
what strides the left tackle has made.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's right. And I talked to yesterday. He came to
me on the field doing practice.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Who you're speaking of?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And I was talking to uh. I was speaking to
the left guard, Tyler Smith say hey, Nate, what's up man,
Good to see you out. And I shook his hand,
and then as I was walking away, his other big
hand grabbed and I'm like, oh, okay.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I looked up and it was number sixty, yeah, Tyler,
And then I.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Said what's up? Tyler? He said, what's up? Man? He said,
I've heard everything you said on your podcast and I
listened to her. I say, okay, you know, because I'm like,
you know, I'm boring up, like if this big dude,
I'm like, hey.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Hey, you're trying to remember what you said.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, well, I know what I've said over the time.
And he said, he said, you're right, he said, he said,
I have all the I said, what did I say? Said?
But you say, I have all the athletic ability in
the world, but I need reps. And as the season
went on, I lost confidence. He said, you're right, and
I've been working on that, he said, but most of all,
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he looked me right in mind, said, most of all, man,
come out here and help me out the practice. And
I just told him, I say, sir son, you don't
need a lot of practice with me. Just remember this
right here. You have athletic ability. And the only move
that got you with consistency was the inside move. When
a guy is that a seven technique. That's mean if
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a guy over you, that's a five right outside your
eyes are tight. Five outside of that is the six.
But we don't sell six. We say seven. And then
if they're outside of that, don't worry about it. This
guy gotta come to you because the quarterback you standing
between him and the quarterback. That's called positional leverage. So
all you have to do is just take a half
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a step out and make him go outside. He can't.
He can't do anything from that because you long enough
in your arm to run him around. But if a
guy's in the tight five set strong and live it
to the inside, and then as he go out, then
you can push him out. You got arms, use them,
you know. And so I think with working out with
Tyler and getting this, getting his strength up, working with
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the new offensive line coach, the guy from uh we
got him from Phoenix. He's supposed to be a monster.
I can't get his name. He's supposed to be a guru,
kind of like mister Callahan was was Callahan we had, Yeah,
I loved him, man, he just had dreams of being
Yeah he's number one second on the hood and yeah yeah,
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but I just I mean, he caught me totally off
God and put me in a position where I had
to right there just go into coaching mode. And and
and it's just fortunate. Yesterday we was talking about this.
I don't know if it's on air, off air where
we misjudged this kid. He Bill, you brought it up
to me last year, Nate. This kid is not played
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more than eighteen games of.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Eight games, yeah, of college football in a season.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
In a season. So he needs experience. And he still
needs experience. But the only way he can get that
experience is to stay healthy and stay mentally strong and
work as techniques.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Did he listen to you?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, I mean he was every time I looked up
because I'm trying to work and call call what I
need to tell him, And every time I looked up,
he's looking right at me. The thing I think about
him is he talks to himself. Sometimes you just gotta
be quiet, you know, because what I'm talking to him,
he's continually talking. Sometimes you just got to be quiet
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and listen, let it sink in, and then you know,
pick your power points and go from there. So, uh,
I think he wants to be successful.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
But like you say, that's what I've been impressed with him.
He's a hard worker.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
He wants it.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yes, it's just a matter he's got to put in
the time.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yes, in order. Health is the key. Availability is the
number one thing in this league.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Because you know what happens with young guys when somebody
your age starts telling them stuff, they start rolling their eyes.
Yes their parents right, and they don't listen. And I've
seen that happen. I've seen. Well, you probably more specific
trying to teach them stuff than when I see Charles
Charles Haley's here.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Charles will make you roll your eyes because you got
to decipher not only his animation but the words that
he's using. I mean, when you're getting called at SB
and filmf and you know you got to say, dude,
this guy really like, well.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
That's good. That's good to hear, because you know, there's
a if. I think, if he takes the next step,
this offensive line is going to be good. And here's
the other thing I saw yesterday. By the way they
were giving Awesome Richards a few reps with the first group.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
They got to going back to what we talked about
the other day, Fellas is position battles. They have to
make this a position battle. You cannot go and let
Awesome Richards not have an opportunity to compete, because if
you do. I don't know when his contract come up.
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But this kid, we'll look over and this kid will
be playing for somebody else for another ten years.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well he's in his third season. Y and so.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Picked two years ago, so he's got two years left.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, and we got it next year.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
We got to be restricted next year.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Right, he gets four years fifth as a fifth rounder,
he'll be a he gets four.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Four year Yeah. So my thing is, this is one
thing I admire about Pete Carroll admired about Jimmy Johnson
and coach Parcells, is if they saw a guy that Okay,
we didn't draft him, but we still signed him and
we still saw something in him. A coach, our scout
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stood on the table for this guy. You know, at
this position, in this pick, you have to you have
to give equal cadence, especially after a year. You have
to give equal equal opportunity. And if this guy gives
you that chance to be a better team, know that
as a coach, as a scout, you know. And I'm
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not saying right, yes, I'm not saying Austin Richard's gonna
beat this kid, no.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
But at least he has to be ready to be
the swing tackle, yes, right, yes, And that's an important
position because those tackles aren't gonna go through the season.
What are the percentages that no tackles play seventeen?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Right, yes, so I liked seeing them well last year.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Last year Terrence Steele went seventeen games, but he's had
a knee injury in the past right, and Tyler Goeyton
had fifteen games, played eleven starts right last year. So
out of your tackle position, there were six starts that
were made by someone else.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yea.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And was Chumudga Richards made one start last year.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, and he came back to the next game. Two
games he got hurt. I just believe this. And as
we talked about them position battles, there's more position battles.
I think if y'all wanted to, we can get into
but it's only two. It's to me, it's only two
position battles that really mean anything, because if these things
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don't work, the team is gonna fail. I don't care
how good the skilled position players are. If the offensive
line is not settled, because the offense is gonna be
what's gonna lead this ship. And if the middle of
our defense is not settled, I don't care who you
put it, corners, it's just not gonna matter.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
So it's it's left tackle. Yes, be specific, Yes, no,
I'm talking about you.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yes, sir, you have to give my position battle. And
we did special additions. I told him the same thing,
and I've been preaching this as much as I love
the talent of guiding. Is he gonna be mentally strong
to conquer his demons as much as I like stealing
his enthusiasm? Are we gonna run enough to give him
a chance? If we run, say forty seven percent of
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the time almost fifty percent of the time, still is
a different player. But if we pass sixty five percent
of the time, he's gonna get exposed. That is just
the bottom line and how it's gonna go. So uh,
I hear what coach saying, but we got to see
it to believe it. And this is where Austin Richards
has a chance to have an impact and.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
That second position, defensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I purposely don't bring this guy name up because I
have a new mantra this year. I'm not gonna attack players.
I'm through attacking guys. And you know, he's not. This
mozie has to show, and I'm not gonna one way
or another. When he show, I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna
talk big and i'm gonna you know, and I'm gonna
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give him his props. But as long as he's just
gonna be this average guy, it's not worth talking about.
But they got another kid, this old man I saw
running them down the field yesterday from from from Texas,
UH from Copel What the Solomon to dude look like
a baby hawk, bru. I mean, this dude got calves
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like like a sprinter.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
He's an old man, he's twenty nine years old.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
No, he's a beast. I mean. And they don't have
on pass Let me reiterate that in me, they do
not have on paths.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
But he's still a beast.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
He is running.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
There's a reason he was on the third the draft.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, brah. When I when he walked past me, I saw,
I said, who is this guy with all these arms?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
And and if anybody needs to know anything about Solomon Thomas, Uh,
Tommy Yarish did a really good story on him UH
and his foundation on mental health. I mean it was
it was fantastic. And I told Tommy boy.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Need he needed to run a mental health department with
the moms like that.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Bro. You know what, here's here's how bad I was.
We when we tape that show you the UH training
camp Spotlight, they did a segment where they were putting
a puzzle of guys together like a part of a
face or a part of a body. And we had
to guess who it was, and I was going. I
spent the off season trying to memory rise numbers right
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faces right.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Well.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
The one I really screwed up on was the first
piece of the puzzle was this big old arm bicep.
And I was I said, Toya, I figured it was
a three hundred and forty two pound guy. No, it
was Solomon Thomas, and I should have known better.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Right by the way, is listed six three two ninety five.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
See.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I don't know if they look at him as the
three technique or the nose, but I bet he can
do a little of both.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I'll tell you what me, Hulk, I know that. You
know you ever see the Hulk? Yeah, that's that's See
this dude, I just look I am. So you know
everybody knows me. Y'all know me. I do not be
grudge these players nothing and how we do things now
in this modern day NFL. But I do get upset
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when I stand on the sideline and player for player,
pound for pound. These guys were built better than us.
Better fairs. We had like eight or nine just fat
chubby guys. I'm looking for a fat chubby guy on
the on the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
So how many personal trainers did you have back in
the eighties.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I had a personal training but he's called the fat
phone because they used to go lose weight. I'm the
exciting year every year. Man, Where's They's.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
One other thing on Solomon Thomas when you talk about him,
you know he was a first round draft pick out
of Stanford in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Stafford, Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Smart smart guy too and.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Back when you had to have grades right, just a stud.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
He had a personal tragedy in his life. His sister
Ella took her own life. This is in twenty eighteen,
his second year. You can imagine what he was going
through from a mental standpoint early in his career, dealing
with that on top of transitioning into the NFL. Aaron
Whitecott in the defensive line coach had him at San
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Francisco and then he had him with the Jets. And
I guarantee you, in fact, I've got my son in
law's parents are good friends with his parents and Coppell
and I texted him, I said, I bet you cowboys
are gonna sign Solomon Thomas. And they're gonna they're gonna
sign Solomon, and sure enough, White Cotton it was a
priority to get him here because it's not just because
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of his playing ability, but his whole character and what
he is. Everything about him. He fits in perfectly to
the culture that they're building here.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And I think, uh, on top of that, uh, I
think this Aaron Cotton is the real deal as a
defensive line coach. And you can take this for what
it's worth. You remember when they did the the Veterans Day,
they brought back the old players and a bunch of
guys showed up and I was talking, Yeah, I said,
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Veterans Legends, Legends, Legends Day. I was talking to Larry
Cole Okay, right, and he played with the Cowboys. Would
have been late sixties during the seventies.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Right always had a fubble return for a touchdown on
Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And he made the tackle on in the Redskins game
the last game of the year when they came back
in seventeen, and he tackled Riggans to force a punt.
But anyway, so I'm talking with him.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
He would have been now he was a veteran guy.
Then he would have been like thirty eight years old.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
By then, right, and he was he said, he goes,
uh that that assistant line coach, the defensive line coach.
I said, White Cotton. He goes, yeah, he goes. You
know who. He reminds me of Ernie Stautner, And I'm going, well,
that's quite a compliment because Stoutner is in the Pro
Football Hall of Fame as a player.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
But he did probably they put assistant coach. If they
put assistant coaches in the Hall of Fame, he might
be in the Hall of Fame as an assistant coach.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You know what, They have a plaque somewhere and it's
assistant coaches since whatever year it was more current, right
that they're in on that plaque as they're not Hall
of famers, but they're in on that plaque. And Ernie
Zampazi his name was on there.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
You know, I'm gonna tell you something. If you can
get your name on one of those walls in the
Hall of Fame, guess what, you're in the Hall of Fame.
Well you're there, yeah, several times, several times. Several times, Yes.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Sir, Nicky was in the Hall of Fame this summer.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yes, taking pictures.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
And you know the other thing that is your name?
Hell no, all right, Oh, if you want to, you know,
nominate me.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Okay, I will all right on that note.
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Speaker 4 (22:00):
All right, you've what are your impressions first couple of days?
What sticks out? You know? What the speed of the practice,
the speed of the coaches after every play.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yes, I mean there's no downtime. They run a play
and they're back in the huddle ready to get another play.
And I don't know of Schottenheimer, it's helping him like
speed up his play calls. But I noticed the one
thing is like if it's a deep pass down the field,
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they don't wait for those receivers to come back. They
put in two new ones, if you know. And if
it's the first team, Pickens and CD are out and
they put two ones in, and boy, they're ready to go.
And when they get to the line of scrimmage, they're
snapping the ball quickly. Now there'll be a few times
when Dak makes an adjustment, but the majority it's go.
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It's not standing up and giving all these signals like
they're a third base coach. Yes, and they're snapping the
ball and going. So from just that, I like the
rhythm of how they're trying to play and how much
they because when you're doing that, you get more plays
in during your allotted time. Right, that's right, you know.
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And it's hard to say, well this guy or that
guy because they don't have the pads on. But the
thing that is continuing from training camp is the ability
of Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens to get open. And
I think there's really something special that's about to happen
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with those two guys.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
With this offense was an offensive defense.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
You want whichever where you want to go.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I just I don't know, Bill R. Mickey, if this
happened a lot last year as early as it happened
in these last two Preyers. Defense is getting a lot
of interceptions. Every time you turn around, they're picking.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
The ball up, whether they're knocking the ball out.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, they knocking the ball out. So whereas they didn't
want a lot of that last year, that is allowed
this year to knock the ball out and they get
in interceptions they getting and the defense are really really
rallying pretty hard. And uh, I wonder, now we've asked
for this the last few years, speed of practice. I
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wonder how long can they maintain this? This is the
just to be the third day, right and then they
get a day off. Yeah, yeah, they're gonna need a
day off.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Well, what what Sead Nimer said yesterday about the first practice.
It was about the conditioning. Yeah, he was like the
first day practice he wasn't He didn't like the conditioning
as well as what it should have been championship level conditioning,
and so he was gonna work them harder and then
so we'll see.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Well, it's almost if you're if you're all in the
plays and getting the plays in that quickly. That's part
of the conditioning, right, because you don't have much time
to rest between plays. It's almost like being in the
game when what do you got a forty second clock
or whatever? You got to go. And that's the way
they're practicing right now.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
It's fast, and like I say, they'll need Friday often.
You know, you know a lot of you know, young
guys they're gonna move around a lot, but not with
the same enthusiasm. These they have been concentrating and don't
seem like it's a lot of blown plays overall that
maybe at that wide receive a position because like I said,
I've seen a few interceptions, a few knockdowns, a few fumbles.
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So that's where the fatigue come in. When you let
guys knock the ball out of your hand when you're
careless with it and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And Bilton made a point about the coaching staff. The
enthusiasm and the energy is awfully high still that we
saw in the off season.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
You know what's higher than that? And me and what
you called seducer.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Producers producer supreme Chris.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
You know, he was like he was filming. He said
he can't even hear himself filming the music.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
The music, which which I mean you think about it
when they play football games, it's loud.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
In that stand, right, Yeah, but you do want to
coach and libby what they do.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
We'll do in the walkthrough and which we aren't supposed
to be able to watch the they they get a
lot of that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, they don't want you to film it.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Oh sure, that's more, they're not blaring the music during
the walk through.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
There's more teaching going on where Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
So you're you're trying to simulate more of a game
type condition during the regular practice.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
That reminds me when we were in San Antonio and
Almo Don't when Parcels was there and Rowdy was just
getting the crowd all fired up. And this was before
they started playing music, and Parcells said the coaches couldn't
even teach because there was so much noise.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
He finally called somebody up and goes.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Who is that guy and tell him to quit?
Speaker 4 (27:08):
He got on, He got on Rowdy okay. And so
speaking of those interceptions, Marshawn and Neelan had one dropped
out into the flat and picked off Dak on Tuesday.
Then yesterday kyer Eli had an interception I thought was
one thing that was interesting. Towards the end of practice,
after Dak was done with his reps, he went over
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to the defensive sideline and he was chopping it up
with kaye Elam on the sideline. And I don't know
that it was necessarily just, you know, so some sort
of fun and games he was trying to find out.
I think from kayir what he saw on what he.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Saw, you know, and so And the only scare they
had yesterday was George Pickens made a really good catch
on the sideline. They ruled him out of bounds and
he ended up laying on the ground and you're going, oh, are.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You kidding me? And then it ended up being yeah,
and uh.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Don I think Donovan Wilson is the one who broke
that up or got forced by the way you talk
about knocking the ball out. Donovan Wilson been doing a
whole bunch of that here the early days at camp.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah. The thing that I like mostly about this defense,
and I have discussions with people is off camera, is
that people don't understand this year here, the new defensive
coordinator runs the whole thing. It's not one coach running
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the defensive backfield, another coach running the linebacks, then another
coach running defensive line. We have a defensive coordinator and
his name is Eva Flus, and he is the defensive coordinator.
He tells his assistance what to do, He coordinates, coordinates
this thing and they all go out and transfer to
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information and what their responsibilities is to the players. And
that is how you do it. Last year. We had
too many different talking heads and it hurt its defense
as a whole. Yes, we had a lot of injuries,
but when you play in a chaotic manner and there's
no order to that chaos, it cannot win. I don't
know if you can have orderly chaos anyway. But it
(29:25):
did not work last year. It should work earlier and
better this year.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Mickey. Anybody on defense that sticks out to you through
two days without pads on well.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I thought it was interesting when Schottenheimer talked about Kenneth Murray,
another guy that was a former first round draft choice
out of Oklahoma, right.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Right, and where he wore the number nine nine.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I thought it was part of fifty nine right.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
That's probably why he chose fifty nine here, because he's
nine is taken well.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I was thinking it was either that or he's a
dog and it's K nine K nine right. Anyway, he's
wearing the green dot. Schottenheimer pointed that out. So they're
sending the calls in to your outside linebacker, not necessarily
a middle linebacker. They nominally do. And someone asked him
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about him and his play, and Schottenheimer said, he you
asked the question and you got the he's a grown
ass man.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
He led Tennessee last year and tackles ninety five and
he played he missed I think three games. He played
fourteen games, and I've been impressed with him, especially in
run fits. And that's what I want out of these linebackers.
I saw somebody critique him, and they criticized him for
(31:01):
his past coverage, and I'm going, well, if if he's
in pass coverage, somebody else needs to be favoring.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
When the Cowboys traded for him, there was a The
response amongst the people who pay attention to Pro Football
Focus and their grades was why are we trading for
this guy? Because he, by Pro Football Focused grades did
not grade well with Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Now what is that site?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Uh so Uh that's why you haven't heard any buzz
about him. But as Schottenheimer said when I asked him
about him yesterday, one of the things he he goes
back to when Dallas played San franc played the Chargers
two years ago, and yeah, they got Khalil Mack, Yeah
they got Joey Bosa. But as an offensive coordinator, what
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he was concerned with was number nine, which was Kenneth
Murray over there. He's got athleticism that is right there
with Demarvey on Overshewn. They go back and look at
both of their combine numbers, they're almost identical. And so
I think it's interesting that they've got him playing the
will here and his movement skills and his ability to
(32:12):
also rush the passer is something that ebra Flus has
to really like. And I think it's going to be
very interesting to see how he's used here. And uh,
and you know that doesn't mean that other linebackers aren't
going to get on the field too. Sanborn's playing in
the middle right now, Marris Leo fouls Uh, you know
they've got high hopes for him, and then Overshown, hopefully
(32:33):
by Thanksgiving or whatever, will be in the mix too.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well, if you think about the linebacking corps, when you
mentioned Murray, Leo Foule can run and he was he
was a.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Cover guy at Murray's a four or five gag.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, so you got a lot of speed at the
at the linebacker spot. Now I want speed into the
hole to stop the run.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, And it's great that we're talking about the linebackers.
Our defensive line don't do what it's supposed to do,
you d linebackers will be none existent. I mean, everything
you guys have said has been on point and right
on time, but just please.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Not even make the tackles.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You can't and uh, a lot of be said for
the fifteen to thirty plays we're seeing pads come Sunday,
you know, but it's just everything is predicated on that front.
Even with mixed deal yesterday when he was saying the
battles at at a corner in safety, all of it's
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still predicated on what we do up in the front
of our So do.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
You think we've we've talked about the defensive tackles, What
about the defensive ends ability to play, play the run
and set the edge.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
That is that is what we have to understand. That's
what we have to see. Excuse me, we have to
see that a lot. One thing that we have been
sitting here for the last fifteen twenty years. One thing
we know is whenever a team wants to really get
after the Cowboys, they run the football. When the team say,
(34:17):
you know, we don't worry about Parson's parsons, We're just
gonna run the football. And that is what we have
to see this year. Washington's gonna run it.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
And you've got two teams in your division who have
the quarterback run threat.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And so we have to set the edge. That has
to be a priority, almost to the sacrifice of not
getting off so quick for the past. I mean, I
am a belief of this, and I watched Parcels do it.
I watched Jimmy do it. It's one guy kind of
can get out of the line, and I'm not gonna
(34:59):
say too much, but he can't get too far out online.
That's Parsons. The other ten guys ain't no way in
the word you're gonna walk on the fence and tell
me what you saw and mess up my defense. I
don't want to hear it. And if coach I Verflus
is doing that, I think everything will be all right.
But you have to you have to stop the run
(35:20):
when our in our division, if we have a chance
of beating these guys, even the giants, we're gonna have
to stop the run. All right.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
We continue with more mixed shots in a moment. Let's
talk a little. C. D. Lamb, who talked to the
media yesterday.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
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Speaker 4 (38:12):
All Right the training Camp preview edition of The Cowboys
Star Magazine is available now it's got the triplets on
the cover. That would be Dak CD and Micah the
quadruplets actually because Quador Druplets, because Brian Schottenheimer is on
the cover. Two, there's a Mickey Spagnola article One Step
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much work to be done, the expectations for the twenty
twenty five Dallas Cowboys remain the same. Mickey, win the
super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
It's always that's the Cowboys, right Tyler. It never changes.
And that's what Tyler Smith said when he landed here
on Sunday afternoon when they asked him what's the goal,
and he said, win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Every year thirty two teams start out in training camp,
what's to go?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
And my point is it doesn't matter if you're coming
off a seven and ten seasons.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Only doesn't change, No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
And it's difficult, and it doesn't matter if you're coming
off four and twelve or twelve and four. Back in
the day, it's win the Super Bowl and it's not easy.
And the goal to me is you get you first
got to have a winning season. Then you got a
challenge for the NFC East title. You get in the playoffs,
(39:31):
and you hope to win a playoff game or two
and then the rest takes care of itself.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Look at the wide receiver room for the Cowboys. How
does it rank against the rest of the league.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Oh, I think on this point.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
What we see de Lamb's response he smiled, we might
he smiled, and he said, I like us versus anybody.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
One of the best, he said, And you know they're
gonna start with the addition of Pickens to number one receivers.
You know, you don't have to sit here and goes, well,
how's Pickens gonna deal with because he's not the number
one receiver? Well, just hold on on that, because he's
Pickens is awfully good. And I liked what Schottenheimer said
(40:20):
about Pickens. He said, if they're if they're in man
defense on him, he's open. And that's kind of what
we've been seeing here between those two guys. Uh. And
then you can fill in the blank on the third guy,
which I think when they go three wide there'll be
a rotation there. But I've been impressed with how CD
(40:44):
is playing. And by the way, I'm assuming by now
the interview it was nineteen minute interview with Cede Lamb yesterdays.
You need to go listen to it. He was, he
he he's all podium.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
It didn't waiver.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
I mean nothing he's saying, right, do not how he's
come along. Yeah, just in terms of his press conferences,
his stuff in the now five years that he's.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Been that's the most outspoken. I think he was great.
Oh it was. I wrote about it, and I been waiting.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Uh huh. He's been waiting a whole off season and
coming out of last year, he's like, he's been waiting.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Well, he and he and he pointed out because I'm
trying to remember who asked the question about this is
your first training camp since twenty twenty three, you know,
how does it feel to be out here? And he
was like, wow, you know, and he goes and uh,
he said, I fooled myself last year when I got back,
(41:45):
I thought I'd just pick up and go, and he goes,
there was a transition period because I didn't go to
training camp.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
You got that at wide receiver position, you have to
be in sync with your quarterback that time on tap ask,
whether it's in camp whatever. Don't you know when did
he sign ten days before the opener something like that much.
There's not much practice time before the opener, but it's
(42:13):
all that time on. Even though even though he had
been with Dak and coming off a season in which
Dak finished second in the MVP voting and he had
one hundred and thirty five catches to lead the year,
you still have to put the work in right now,
especially quarterback and receiver, and they're missing that. And for
that matter, look at what at Washington right now. You
got a second year quarterback in Jaden Daniels there and
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his top receiver is not in camp right now, Terry McLaurin,
because he's in a contract hold out. And if that
lasts very long, you just watch Washington and see what
happens with that quarterback receiver relationship is they'll get him signed.
But missing these these days of practice could come back
(42:56):
to haunt them. And that's basically what CD said in
reflection in hindsight, looking back last year, he felt like
that that got him out of sync to start the series.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
He said, man, this is amazing, and he said, I
was a little oblivious to the truth on what it
meant not to be in training camp, and he goes,
I have to do the things to his tailoring, meaning
to what Dak's expecting, what he needs to do as
a wide receiver, you know what. And I thought that
(43:28):
was really that was really insightful on his part.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I felt that going back to RG three's career, what
derailed his career was his knee injury and then he
wasn't able to work the off season after that or
training camp leading up, comes back too soon basically, and
had no relationship with his receivers, and then he had
Kirk Cousins waiting in the wings there and basically it
(43:53):
derailed his career and not being able to put that
work in.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Three man thoughts on the wide RECEIVERSH.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Man, I like what we're doing. I like, uh that
everybody's in place. And y'all know, I've always been a
CD lamb man, even when the East one going right.
This first year and a half, yeah, I'm about CD,
and so uh for him to get up. At first,
I wasn't gonna listen, but I had to do an
interview with somebody, so I was listening and I'm like,
(44:25):
this is CD. Yeah, I mean, uh, this brother got
some street cred he but he didn't bring that language
and that slave to the street. He brought you know,
English one on one to the table and it was
nice and it was nice.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
And I noticed this in the mini camp and the
OTAs how those two guys, uh, they would celebrate. You know.
George Pickens makes a big play down the field and
OTA is, okay, you're not tackling, there's no physicality. But
he gets open and the first guy to meet him
in the end zone is CD Lamb and they did
(45:00):
again here yesterday and the second guy to meet both
of them was the quarterback running downfield because they connected
on a deep pass and somebody asked CD about is
that what we're going to see and he said, those
days literally are coming.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
The thing that I think they're trying to show these
young men is that there's love here, there's a new
attitude here. Come be a part of it. And I
think if you can just look at missus Jones and
just understand what he's saying, and he's telling the same
thing to number eleven Parsons, come be a part of this,
(45:42):
help build something that can be special. And that's what
coach is trying to do. The head coach, He's just
come be a part of this. Come, come, do your best,
Come compete, and let the chips fall what they may,
and the best players will play well. Other thing I
do like about coach is he was saying a lot
of people have to compete, and I agree with him
(46:04):
one hundred percent. But when he was like saying that
he's gonna make George Pickens earn it, don't. We're not
gonna play that game. You know what I'm saying, and
he he just he showed me like, I'm not playing
that game. I don't know how many times they throw
during the season, but I'm a firm believer, y'all. Y'all
have always heard me say this, and I'm gonna stick
(46:26):
to this. If we're gonna have pickings and ceedee lamb,
if we throw a thousand passes, I need for seven
hundred and fifty of them to go to these two
guys and then you get to whoever else you need
to get to. I do not care. You're gonna get end.
Oh yeah, I mean what does the Bengals do? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 2 (46:48):
I mean what does Miami do? What does Philadelphia do?
You know when when they brought in sich Taquon, they
just say, hey, man, let's rest him.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
So, yeah, are you proposing not running the football at all?
Speaker 7 (47:03):
Now?
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I'm just saying if we okay, yeah, you know you have.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
About you have about eleven hundred plays.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Okay, so we're gonna go. Let's say we behind. I
mean that's behind. But I don't know how many plays
we run. And I just.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Understood your proportions.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
But h seventy five percent of the passes need to
go to these two two.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
I mean, if if we can find uh, the tight end,
find if we can find other guys, fine, but you
know that, Wow, that was like it like one hundred plays. Man.
I mean, we're not gonna run at all.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
All right, I think we're about out of time here.
We oh, we are pastime.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Let's let's let's leave you with one last word from
ce Ed Lamb when he asked that he was asked
about what you thought of him before he got here
to now, and he said he's not as crazy as
he seemed to be talking about George George Picks. Yes, okay, yes,
not as crazy as you seem to be.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Well, they're buttering him up, that's right. I mean Pickens
went to the podium before Lamb did. He went first,
Pickens was first. That's right.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I think we get Dak today.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
I we think so.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
We can close at his show because I got some visiting,
Like you got to use the restroom.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Shame God, you got the break coming up. Break is next. Okay,
that does it. And as a tribute as we close
it out, a tribute to Everson Walls from Nate Newton.
We'll see you next Monday on Mix Shots Go Cowboys.
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Speaker 4 (00:24):
Here It is a beautiful Thursday morning in Oxnard, California,
at the corner of Ventura and Vineyard, and it is
day number three of Cowboy practices. So much hester inspired
the last forty eight hours, Bill Jones, the six time
pro bowler, Nate Newton, and a bundled up Mickey Spagnola,
(00:47):
who's still trying to get used to the climbs out here.
It's actually the sun's breaking through the marine layer.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Right right now. Wow.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
But when I rode my bike in it was cold.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yes, So it went from the sun is breaking through
the clouds. So now we got the marinet the marine layer, Bill,
you can adjust well.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Today this morning was the first day that it wasn't
totally overcast. When I woke up at six, there was
actually some blue sky out there.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
And then it got covered up pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So I don't have one question that marine Is this
a new shirt?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It is? It's for training camp.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, because you won't take the tag.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So here's what I did. I just got it. There
was another tag, and I think I tagged it inside right.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
It's running out of time, okay, all right, you just
take it from the pro shop up there.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
No, they just gave it to me in the.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Tent swag bag.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
All right, very good, until you're all warm, I am good.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
All right.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
We got much to get to because we've actually been
able to watch football players on a football field, a
couple of football fields behind us here for two days,
the last couple of days, and they got to practice today,
and no practice tomorrow, a practice on Saturday, another ramp up,
the final of the ramp up practices. There's four of those,
and then they put on the pads on Sunday. Nate,
(02:23):
you're looking forward to that, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yes? Serious? If that's that that you know, we we
cross one hurdle in that starting training camp. Second hurdle
is the pads, and then the fourth hurdle is the round,
I mean, ther third hold is the RAMS and the
fourth is the preseason and.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
That RAMS intra squad practice will be coming up a
week from Tuesday, so it's on down the roads in August. Fourth,
fifth day after I leave here. Ah, so, but you
two will be here.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
What if we won't let you go?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
What do you remember most from the Rams practice last year?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Asking me he beat us up? Not once?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Remember, Jared Verse?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yes, yes, yes, yes remember? And you know what, Yes
we were right about him too, Yes, sir, didn't we
make all rookie team.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Or the matchup of this training camp just like it
was the matchup of last training camp. And we'll see
what strides the left tackle has made.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's right. And I talked to yesterday. He came to
me on the field doing practice.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Who you're speaking of?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And I was talking to uh. I was speaking to
the left guard, Tyler Smith say hey, Nate, what's up man,
Good to see you out. And I shook his hand,
and then as I was walking away, his other big
hand grabbed and I'm like, oh, okay.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I looked up and it was number sixty, yeah, Tyler,
And then I.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Said what's up? Tyler? He said, what's up? Man? He said,
I've heard everything you said on your podcast and I
listened to her. I say, okay, you know, because I'm like,
you know, I'm boring up, like if this big dude,
I'm like, hey.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Hey, you're trying to remember what you said.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, well, I know what I've said over the time.
And he said, he said, you're right, he said, he said,
I have all the I said, what did I say? Said?
But you say, I have all the athletic ability in
the world, but I need reps. And as the season
went on, I lost confidence. He said, you're right, and
I've been working on that, he said, but most of all,
(04:28):
he looked me right in mind, said, most of all, man,
come out here and help me out the practice. And
I just told him, I say, sir son, you don't
need a lot of practice with me. Just remember this
right here. You have athletic ability. And the only move
that got you with consistency was the inside move. When
a guy is that a seven technique. That's mean if
(04:51):
a guy over you, that's a five right outside your
eyes are tight. Five outside of that is the six.
But we don't sell six. We say seven. And then
if they're outside of that, don't worry about it. This
guy gotta come to you because the quarterback you standing
between him and the quarterback. That's called positional leverage. So
all you have to do is just take a half
(05:12):
a step out and make him go outside. He can't.
He can't do anything from that because you long enough
in your arm to run him around. But if a
guy's in the tight five set strong and live it
to the inside, and then as he go out, then
you can push him out. You got arms, use them,
you know. And so I think with working out with
Tyler and getting this, getting his strength up, working with
(05:35):
the new offensive line coach, the guy from uh we
got him from Phoenix. He's supposed to be a monster.
I can't get his name. He's supposed to be a guru,
kind of like mister Callahan was was Callahan we had, Yeah,
I loved him, man, he just had dreams of being
Yeah he's number one second on the hood and yeah yeah,
(06:01):
but I just I mean, he caught me totally off
God and put me in a position where I had
to right there just go into coaching mode. And and
and it's just fortunate. Yesterday we was talking about this.
I don't know if it's on air, off air where
we misjudged this kid. He Bill, you brought it up
to me last year, Nate. This kid is not played
(06:23):
more than eighteen games of.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Eight games, yeah, of college football in a season.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
In a season. So he needs experience. And he still
needs experience. But the only way he can get that
experience is to stay healthy and stay mentally strong and
work as techniques.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Did he listen to you?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, I mean he was every time I looked up
because I'm trying to work and call call what I
need to tell him, And every time I looked up,
he's looking right at me. The thing I think about
him is he talks to himself. Sometimes you just gotta
be quiet, you know, because what I'm talking to him,
he's continually talking. Sometimes you just got to be quiet
(07:03):
and listen, let it sink in, and then you know,
pick your power points and go from there. So, uh,
I think he wants to be successful.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
But like you say, that's what I've been impressed with him.
He's a hard worker.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
He wants it.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yes, it's just a matter he's got to put in
the time.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yes, in order. Health is the key. Availability is the
number one thing in this league.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Because you know what happens with young guys when somebody
your age starts telling them stuff, they start rolling their eyes.
Yes their parents right, and they don't listen. And I've
seen that happen. I've seen. Well, you probably more specific
trying to teach them stuff than when I see Charles
Charles Haley's here.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Charles will make you roll your eyes because you got
to decipher not only his animation but the words that
he's using. I mean, when you're getting called at SB
and filmf and you know you got to say, dude,
this guy really like, well.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
That's good. That's good to hear, because you know, there's
a if. I think, if he takes the next step,
this offensive line is going to be good. And here's
the other thing I saw yesterday. By the way they
were giving Awesome Richards a few reps with the first group.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
They got to going back to what we talked about
the other day, Fellas is position battles. They have to
make this a position battle. You cannot go and let
Awesome Richards not have an opportunity to compete, because if
you do. I don't know when his contract come up.
(08:49):
But this kid, we'll look over and this kid will
be playing for somebody else for another ten years.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well he's in his third season. Y and so.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Picked two years ago, so he's got two years left.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, and we got it next year.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
We got to be restricted next year.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Right, he gets four years fifth as a fifth rounder,
he'll be a he gets four.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Four year Yeah. So my thing is, this is one
thing I admire about Pete Carroll admired about Jimmy Johnson
and coach Parcells, is if they saw a guy that Okay,
we didn't draft him, but we still signed him and
we still saw something in him. A coach, our scout
(09:32):
stood on the table for this guy. You know, at
this position, in this pick, you have to you have
to give equal cadence, especially after a year. You have
to give equal equal opportunity. And if this guy gives
you that chance to be a better team, know that
as a coach, as a scout, you know. And I'm
(09:53):
not saying right, yes, I'm not saying Austin Richard's gonna
beat this kid, no.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
But at least he has to be ready to be
the swing tackle, yes, right, yes, And that's an important
position because those tackles aren't gonna go through the season.
What are the percentages that no tackles play seventeen?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Right, yes, so I liked seeing them well last year.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Last year Terrence Steele went seventeen games, but he's had
a knee injury in the past right, and Tyler Goeyton
had fifteen games, played eleven starts right last year. So
out of your tackle position, there were six starts that
were made by someone else.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yea.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And was Chumudga Richards made one start last year.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, and he came back to the next game. Two
games he got hurt. I just believe this. And as
we talked about them position battles, there's more position battles.
I think if y'all wanted to, we can get into
but it's only two. It's to me, it's only two
position battles that really mean anything, because if these things
(10:58):
don't work, the team is gonna fail. I don't care
how good the skilled position players are. If the offensive
line is not settled, because the offense is gonna be
what's gonna lead this ship. And if the middle of
our defense is not settled, I don't care who you
put it, corners, it's just not gonna matter.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
So it's it's left tackle. Yes, be specific, Yes, no,
I'm talking about you.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yes, sir, you have to give my position battle. And
we did special additions. I told him the same thing,
and I've been preaching this as much as I love
the talent of guiding. Is he gonna be mentally strong
to conquer his demons as much as I like stealing
his enthusiasm? Are we gonna run enough to give him
a chance? If we run, say forty seven percent of
(11:48):
the time almost fifty percent of the time, still is
a different player. But if we pass sixty five percent
of the time, he's gonna get exposed. That is just
the bottom line and how it's gonna go. So uh,
I hear what coach saying, but we got to see
it to believe it. And this is where Austin Richards
has a chance to have an impact and.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
That second position, defensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I purposely don't bring this guy name up because I
have a new mantra this year. I'm not gonna attack players.
I'm through attacking guys. And you know, he's not. This
mozie has to show, and I'm not gonna one way
or another. When he show, I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna
talk big and i'm gonna you know, and I'm gonna
(12:33):
give him his props. But as long as he's just
gonna be this average guy, it's not worth talking about.
But they got another kid, this old man I saw
running them down the field yesterday from from from Texas,
UH from Copel What the Solomon to dude look like
a baby hawk, bru. I mean, this dude got calves
(12:55):
like like a sprinter.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
He's an old man, he's twenty nine years old.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
No, he's a beast. I mean. And they don't have
on pass Let me reiterate that in me, they do
not have on paths.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
But he's still a beast.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
He is running.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
There's a reason he was on the third the draft.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, brah. When I when he walked past me, I saw,
I said, who is this guy with all these arms?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
And and if anybody needs to know anything about Solomon Thomas, Uh,
Tommy Yarish did a really good story on him UH
and his foundation on mental health. I mean it was
it was fantastic. And I told Tommy boy.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Need he needed to run a mental health department with
the moms like that.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Bro. You know what, here's here's how bad I was.
We when we tape that show you the UH training
camp Spotlight, they did a segment where they were putting
a puzzle of guys together like a part of a
face or a part of a body. And we had
to guess who it was, and I was going. I
spent the off season trying to memory rise numbers right
(14:01):
faces right.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Well.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
The one I really screwed up on was the first
piece of the puzzle was this big old arm bicep.
And I was I said, Toya, I figured it was
a three hundred and forty two pound guy. No, it
was Solomon Thomas, and I should have known better.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Right by the way, is listed six three two ninety five.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
See.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I don't know if they look at him as the
three technique or the nose, but I bet he can
do a little of both.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I'll tell you what me, Hulk, I know that. You
know you ever see the Hulk? Yeah, that's that's See
this dude, I just look I am. So you know
everybody knows me. Y'all know me. I do not be
grudge these players nothing and how we do things now
in this modern day NFL. But I do get upset
(14:52):
when I stand on the sideline and player for player,
pound for pound. These guys were built better than us.
Better fairs. We had like eight or nine just fat
chubby guys. I'm looking for a fat chubby guy on
the on the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
So how many personal trainers did you have back in
the eighties.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I had a personal training but he's called the fat
phone because they used to go lose weight. I'm the
exciting year every year. Man, Where's They's.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
One other thing on Solomon Thomas when you talk about him,
you know he was a first round draft pick out
of Stanford in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Stafford, Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Smart smart guy too and.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Back when you had to have grades right, just a stud.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
He had a personal tragedy in his life. His sister
Ella took her own life. This is in twenty eighteen,
his second year. You can imagine what he was going
through from a mental standpoint early in his career, dealing
with that on top of transitioning into the NFL. Aaron
Whitecott in the defensive line coach had him at San
(15:58):
Francisco and then he had him with the Jets. And
I guarantee you, in fact, I've got my son in
law's parents are good friends with his parents and Coppell
and I texted him, I said, I bet you cowboys
are gonna sign Solomon Thomas. And they're gonna they're gonna
sign Solomon, and sure enough, White Cotton it was a
priority to get him here because it's not just because
(16:20):
of his playing ability, but his whole character and what
he is. Everything about him. He fits in perfectly to
the culture that they're building here.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And I think, uh, on top of that, uh, I
think this Aaron Cotton is the real deal as a
defensive line coach. And you can take this for what
it's worth. You remember when they did the the Veterans Day,
they brought back the old players and a bunch of
guys showed up and I was talking, Yeah, I said,
(16:55):
Veterans Legends, Legends, Legends Day. I was talking to Larry
Cole Okay, right, and he played with the Cowboys. Would
have been late sixties during the seventies.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Right always had a fubble return for a touchdown on
Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And he made the tackle on in the Redskins game
the last game of the year when they came back
in seventeen, and he tackled Riggans to force a punt.
But anyway, so I'm talking with him.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
He would have been now he was a veteran guy.
Then he would have been like thirty eight years old.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
By then, right, and he was he said, he goes,
uh that that assistant line coach, the defensive line coach.
I said, White Cotton. He goes, yeah, he goes. You
know who. He reminds me of Ernie Stautner, And I'm going, well,
that's quite a compliment because Stoutner is in the Pro
Football Hall of Fame as a player.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
But he did probably they put assistant coach. If they
put assistant coaches in the Hall of Fame, he might
be in the Hall of Fame as an assistant coach.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You know what, They have a plaque somewhere and it's
assistant coaches since whatever year it was more current, right
that they're in on that plaque as they're not Hall
of famers, but they're in on that plaque. And Ernie
Zampazi his name was on there.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
You know, I'm gonna tell you something. If you can
get your name on one of those walls in the
Hall of Fame, guess what, you're in the Hall of Fame.
Well you're there, yeah, several times, several times. Several times, Yes.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Sir, Nicky was in the Hall of Fame this summer.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yes, taking pictures.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
And you know the other thing that is your name?
Hell no, all right, Oh, if you want to, you know,
nominate me.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Okay, I will all right on that note.
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Speaker 4 (22:00):
All right, you've what are your impressions first couple of days?
What sticks out? You know? What the speed of the practice,
the speed of the coaches after every play.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yes, I mean there's no downtime. They run a play
and they're back in the huddle ready to get another play.
And I don't know of Schottenheimer, it's helping him like
speed up his play calls. But I noticed the one
thing is like if it's a deep pass down the field,
(22:36):
they don't wait for those receivers to come back. They
put in two new ones, if you know. And if
it's the first team, Pickens and CD are out and
they put two ones in, and boy, they're ready to go.
And when they get to the line of scrimmage, they're
snapping the ball quickly. Now there'll be a few times
when Dak makes an adjustment, but the majority it's go.
(23:00):
It's not standing up and giving all these signals like
they're a third base coach. Yes, and they're snapping the
ball and going. So from just that, I like the
rhythm of how they're trying to play and how much
they because when you're doing that, you get more plays
in during your allotted time. Right, that's right, you know.
(23:21):
And it's hard to say, well this guy or that
guy because they don't have the pads on. But the
thing that is continuing from training camp is the ability
of Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens to get open. And
I think there's really something special that's about to happen
(23:44):
with those two guys.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
With this offense was an offensive defense.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
You want whichever where you want to go.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I just I don't know, Bill R. Mickey, if this
happened a lot last year as early as it happened
in these last two Preyers. Defense is getting a lot
of interceptions. Every time you turn around, they're picking.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
The ball up, whether they're knocking the ball out.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, they knocking the ball out. So whereas they didn't
want a lot of that last year, that is allowed
this year to knock the ball out and they get
in interceptions they getting and the defense are really really
rallying pretty hard. And uh, I wonder, now we've asked
for this the last few years, speed of practice. I
(24:29):
wonder how long can they maintain this? This is the
just to be the third day, right and then they
get a day off. Yeah, yeah, they're gonna need a
day off.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Well, what what Sead Nimer said yesterday about the first practice.
It was about the conditioning. Yeah, he was like the
first day practice he wasn't He didn't like the conditioning
as well as what it should have been championship level conditioning,
and so he was gonna work them harder and then
so we'll see.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Well, it's almost if you're if you're all in the
plays and getting the plays in that quickly. That's part
of the conditioning, right, because you don't have much time
to rest between plays. It's almost like being in the
game when what do you got a forty second clock
or whatever? You got to go. And that's the way
they're practicing right now.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
It's fast, and like I say, they'll need Friday often.
You know, you know a lot of you know, young
guys they're gonna move around a lot, but not with
the same enthusiasm. These they have been concentrating and don't
seem like it's a lot of blown plays overall that
maybe at that wide receive a position because like I said,
I've seen a few interceptions, a few knockdowns, a few fumbles.
(25:39):
So that's where the fatigue come in. When you let
guys knock the ball out of your hand when you're
careless with it and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And Bilton made a point about the coaching staff. The
enthusiasm and the energy is awfully high still that we
saw in the off season.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
You know what's higher than that? And me and what
you called seducer.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Producers producer supreme Chris.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
You know, he was like he was filming. He said
he can't even hear himself filming the music.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
The music, which which I mean you think about it
when they play football games, it's loud.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
In that stand, right, Yeah, but you do want to
coach and libby what they do.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
We'll do in the walkthrough and which we aren't supposed
to be able to watch the they they get a
lot of that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, they don't want you to film it.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Oh sure, that's more, they're not blaring the music during
the walk through.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
There's more teaching going on where Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
So you're you're trying to simulate more of a game
type condition during the regular practice.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
That reminds me when we were in San Antonio and
Almo Don't when Parcels was there and Rowdy was just
getting the crowd all fired up. And this was before
they started playing music, and Parcells said the coaches couldn't
even teach because there was so much noise.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
He finally called somebody up and goes.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Who is that guy and tell him to quit?
Speaker 4 (27:08):
He got on, He got on Rowdy okay. And so
speaking of those interceptions, Marshawn and Neelan had one dropped
out into the flat and picked off Dak on Tuesday.
Then yesterday kyer Eli had an interception I thought was
one thing that was interesting. Towards the end of practice,
after Dak was done with his reps, he went over
(27:29):
to the defensive sideline and he was chopping it up
with kaye Elam on the sideline. And I don't know
that it was necessarily just, you know, so some sort
of fun and games he was trying to find out.
I think from kayir what he saw on what he.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Saw, you know, and so And the only scare they
had yesterday was George Pickens made a really good catch
on the sideline. They ruled him out of bounds and
he ended up laying on the ground and you're going, oh, are.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You kidding me? And then it ended up being yeah,
and uh.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Don I think Donovan Wilson is the one who broke
that up or got forced by the way you talk
about knocking the ball out. Donovan Wilson been doing a
whole bunch of that here the early days at camp.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah. The thing that I like mostly about this defense,
and I have discussions with people is off camera, is
that people don't understand this year here, the new defensive
coordinator runs the whole thing. It's not one coach running
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the defensive backfield, another coach running the linebacks, then another
coach running defensive line. We have a defensive coordinator and
his name is Eva Flus, and he is the defensive coordinator.
He tells his assistance what to do, He coordinates, coordinates
this thing and they all go out and transfer to
(29:02):
information and what their responsibilities is to the players. And
that is how you do it. Last year. We had
too many different talking heads and it hurt its defense
as a whole. Yes, we had a lot of injuries,
but when you play in a chaotic manner and there's
no order to that chaos, it cannot win. I don't
know if you can have orderly chaos anyway. But it
(29:25):
did not work last year. It should work earlier and
better this year.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Mickey. Anybody on defense that sticks out to you through
two days without pads on well.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I thought it was interesting when Schottenheimer talked about Kenneth Murray,
another guy that was a former first round draft choice
out of Oklahoma, right.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Right, and where he wore the number nine nine.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I thought it was part of fifty nine right.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
That's probably why he chose fifty nine here, because he's
nine is taken well.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I was thinking it was either that or he's a
dog and it's K nine K nine right. Anyway, he's
wearing the green dot. Schottenheimer pointed that out. So they're
sending the calls in to your outside linebacker, not necessarily
a middle linebacker. They nominally do. And someone asked him
(30:30):
about him and his play, and Schottenheimer said, he you
asked the question and you got the he's a grown
ass man.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
He led Tennessee last year and tackles ninety five and
he played he missed I think three games. He played
fourteen games, and I've been impressed with him, especially in
run fits. And that's what I want out of these linebackers.
I saw somebody critique him, and they criticized him for
(31:01):
his past coverage, and I'm going, well, if if he's
in pass coverage, somebody else needs to be favoring.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
When the Cowboys traded for him, there was a The
response amongst the people who pay attention to Pro Football
Focus and their grades was why are we trading for
this guy? Because he, by Pro Football Focused grades did
not grade well with Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Now what is that site?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Uh so Uh that's why you haven't heard any buzz
about him. But as Schottenheimer said when I asked him
about him yesterday, one of the things he he goes
back to when Dallas played San franc played the Chargers
two years ago, and yeah, they got Khalil Mack, Yeah
they got Joey Bosa. But as an offensive coordinator, what
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he was concerned with was number nine, which was Kenneth
Murray over there. He's got athleticism that is right there
with Demarvey on Overshewn. They go back and look at
both of their combine numbers, they're almost identical. And so
I think it's interesting that they've got him playing the
will here and his movement skills and his ability to
(32:12):
also rush the passer is something that ebra Flus has
to really like. And I think it's going to be
very interesting to see how he's used here. And uh,
and you know that doesn't mean that other linebackers aren't
going to get on the field too. Sanborn's playing in
the middle right now, Marris Leo fouls Uh, you know
they've got high hopes for him, and then Overshown, hopefully
(32:33):
by Thanksgiving or whatever, will be in the mix too.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well, if you think about the linebacking corps, when you
mentioned Murray, Leo Foule can run and he was he
was a.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Cover guy at Murray's a four or five gag.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, so you got a lot of speed at the
at the linebacker spot. Now I want speed into the
hole to stop the run.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, And it's great that we're talking about the linebackers.
Our defensive line don't do what it's supposed to do,
you d linebackers will be none existent. I mean, everything
you guys have said has been on point and right
on time, but just please.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Not even make the tackles.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You can't and uh, a lot of be said for
the fifteen to thirty plays we're seeing pads come Sunday,
you know, but it's just everything is predicated on that front.
Even with mixed deal yesterday when he was saying the
battles at at a corner in safety, all of it's
(33:41):
still predicated on what we do up in the front
of our So do.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
You think we've we've talked about the defensive tackles, What
about the defensive ends ability to play, play the run
and set the edge.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
That is that is what we have to understand. That's
what we have to see. Excuse me, we have to
see that a lot. One thing that we have been
sitting here for the last fifteen twenty years. One thing
we know is whenever a team wants to really get
after the Cowboys, they run the football. When the team say,
(34:17):
you know, we don't worry about Parson's parsons, We're just
gonna run the football. And that is what we have
to see this year. Washington's gonna run it.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
And you've got two teams in your division who have
the quarterback run threat.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And so we have to set the edge. That has
to be a priority, almost to the sacrifice of not
getting off so quick for the past. I mean, I
am a belief of this, and I watched Parcels do it.
I watched Jimmy do it. It's one guy kind of
can get out of the line, and I'm not gonna
(34:59):
say too much, but he can't get too far out online.
That's Parsons. The other ten guys ain't no way in
the word you're gonna walk on the fence and tell
me what you saw and mess up my defense. I
don't want to hear it. And if coach I Verflus
is doing that, I think everything will be all right.
But you have to you have to stop the run
(35:20):
when our in our division, if we have a chance
of beating these guys, even the giants, we're gonna have
to stop the run. All right.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
We continue with more mixed shots in a moment. Let's
talk a little. C. D. Lamb, who talked to the
media yesterday.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
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Speaker 4 (38:12):
All Right the training Camp preview edition of The Cowboys
Star Magazine is available now it's got the triplets on
the cover. That would be Dak CD and Micah the
quadruplets actually because Quador Druplets, because Brian Schottenheimer is on
the cover. Two, there's a Mickey Spagnola article One Step
(38:32):
at a Time on page twelve. While there is still
much work to be done, the expectations for the twenty
twenty five Dallas Cowboys remain the same. Mickey, win the
super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
It's always that's the Cowboys, right Tyler. It never changes.
And that's what Tyler Smith said when he landed here
on Sunday afternoon when they asked him what's the goal,
and he said, win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Every year thirty two teams start out in training camp,
what's to go?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
And my point is it doesn't matter if you're coming
off a seven and ten seasons.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Only doesn't change, No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
And it's difficult, and it doesn't matter if you're coming
off four and twelve or twelve and four. Back in
the day, it's win the Super Bowl and it's not easy.
And the goal to me is you get you first
got to have a winning season. Then you got a
challenge for the NFC East title. You get in the playoffs,
(39:31):
and you hope to win a playoff game or two
and then the rest takes care of itself.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Look at the wide receiver room for the Cowboys. How
does it rank against the rest of the league.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Oh, I think on this point.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
What we see de Lamb's response he smiled, we might
he smiled, and he said, I like us versus anybody.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
One of the best, he said, And you know they're
gonna start with the addition of Pickens to number one receivers.
You know, you don't have to sit here and goes, well,
how's Pickens gonna deal with because he's not the number
one receiver? Well, just hold on on that, because he's
Pickens is awfully good. And I liked what Schottenheimer said
(40:20):
about Pickens. He said, if they're if they're in man
defense on him, he's open. And that's kind of what
we've been seeing here between those two guys. Uh. And
then you can fill in the blank on the third guy,
which I think when they go three wide there'll be
a rotation there. But I've been impressed with how CD
(40:44):
is playing. And by the way, I'm assuming by now
the interview it was nineteen minute interview with Cede Lamb yesterdays.
You need to go listen to it. He was, he
he he's all podium.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
It didn't waiver.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
I mean nothing he's saying, right, do not how he's
come along. Yeah, just in terms of his press conferences,
his stuff in the now five years that he's.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Been that's the most outspoken. I think he was great.
Oh it was. I wrote about it, and I been waiting.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Uh huh. He's been waiting a whole off season and
coming out of last year, he's like, he's been waiting.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Well, he and he and he pointed out because I'm
trying to remember who asked the question about this is
your first training camp since twenty twenty three, you know,
how does it feel to be out here? And he
was like, wow, you know, and he goes and uh,
he said, I fooled myself last year when I got back,
(41:45):
I thought I'd just pick up and go, and he goes,
there was a transition period because I didn't go to
training camp.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
You got that at wide receiver position, you have to
be in sync with your quarterback that time on tap ask,
whether it's in camp whatever. Don't you know when did
he sign ten days before the opener something like that much.
There's not much practice time before the opener, but it's
(42:13):
all that time on. Even though even though he had
been with Dak and coming off a season in which
Dak finished second in the MVP voting and he had
one hundred and thirty five catches to lead the year,
you still have to put the work in right now,
especially quarterback and receiver, and they're missing that. And for
that matter, look at what at Washington right now. You
got a second year quarterback in Jaden Daniels there and
(42:35):
his top receiver is not in camp right now, Terry McLaurin,
because he's in a contract hold out. And if that
lasts very long, you just watch Washington and see what
happens with that quarterback receiver relationship is they'll get him signed.
But missing these these days of practice could come back
(42:56):
to haunt them. And that's basically what CD said in
reflection in hindsight, looking back last year, he felt like
that that got him out of sync to start the series.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
He said, man, this is amazing, and he said, I
was a little oblivious to the truth on what it
meant not to be in training camp, and he goes,
I have to do the things to his tailoring, meaning
to what Dak's expecting, what he needs to do as
a wide receiver, you know what. And I thought that
(43:28):
was really that was really insightful on his part.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I felt that going back to RG three's career, what
derailed his career was his knee injury and then he
wasn't able to work the off season after that or
training camp leading up, comes back too soon basically, and
had no relationship with his receivers, and then he had
Kirk Cousins waiting in the wings there and basically it
(43:53):
derailed his career and not being able to put that
work in.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Three man thoughts on the wide RECEIVERSH.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Man, I like what we're doing. I like, uh that
everybody's in place. And y'all know, I've always been a
CD lamb man, even when the East one going right.
This first year and a half, yeah, I'm about CD,
and so uh for him to get up. At first,
I wasn't gonna listen, but I had to do an
interview with somebody, so I was listening and I'm like,
(44:25):
this is CD. Yeah, I mean, uh, this brother got
some street cred he but he didn't bring that language
and that slave to the street. He brought you know,
English one on one to the table and it was
nice and it was nice.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
And I noticed this in the mini camp and the
OTAs how those two guys, uh, they would celebrate. You know.
George Pickens makes a big play down the field and
OTA is, okay, you're not tackling, there's no physicality. But
he gets open and the first guy to meet him
in the end zone is CD Lamb and they did
(45:00):
again here yesterday and the second guy to meet both
of them was the quarterback running downfield because they connected
on a deep pass and somebody asked CD about is
that what we're going to see and he said, those
days literally are coming.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
The thing that I think they're trying to show these
young men is that there's love here, there's a new
attitude here. Come be a part of it. And I
think if you can just look at missus Jones and
just understand what he's saying, and he's telling the same
thing to number eleven Parsons, come be a part of this,
(45:42):
help build something that can be special. And that's what
coach is trying to do. The head coach, He's just
come be a part of this. Come, come, do your best,
Come compete, and let the chips fall what they may,
and the best players will play well. Other thing I
do like about coach is he was saying a lot
of people have to compete, and I agree with him
(46:04):
one hundred percent. But when he was like saying that
he's gonna make George Pickens earn it, don't. We're not
gonna play that game. You know what I'm saying, and
he he just he showed me like, I'm not playing
that game. I don't know how many times they throw
during the season, but I'm a firm believer, y'all. Y'all
have always heard me say this, and I'm gonna stick
(46:26):
to this. If we're gonna have pickings and ceedee lamb,
if we throw a thousand passes, I need for seven
hundred and fifty of them to go to these two
guys and then you get to whoever else you need
to get to. I do not care. You're gonna get end.
Oh yeah, I mean what does the Bengals do? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 2 (46:48):
I mean what does Miami do? What does Philadelphia do?
You know when when they brought in sich Taquon, they
just say, hey, man, let's rest him.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
So, yeah, are you proposing not running the football at all?
Speaker 7 (47:03):
Now?
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I'm just saying if we okay, yeah, you know you have.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
About you have about eleven hundred plays.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Okay, so we're gonna go. Let's say we behind. I
mean that's behind. But I don't know how many plays
we run. And I just.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Understood your proportions.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
But h seventy five percent of the passes need to
go to these two two.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
I mean, if if we can find uh, the tight end,
find if we can find other guys, fine, but you
know that, Wow, that was like it like one hundred plays. Man.
I mean, we're not gonna run at all.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
All right, I think we're about out of time here.
We oh, we are pastime.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Let's let's let's leave you with one last word from
ce Ed Lamb when he asked that he was asked
about what you thought of him before he got here
to now, and he said he's not as crazy as
he seemed to be talking about George George Picks. Yes, okay, yes,
not as crazy as you seem to be.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Well, they're buttering him up, that's right. I mean Pickens
went to the podium before Lamb did. He went first,
Pickens was first. That's right.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I think we get Dak today.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
I we think so.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
We can close at his show because I got some visiting,
Like you got to use the restroom.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Shame God, you got the break coming up. Break is next. Okay,
that does it. And as a tribute as we close
it out, a tribute to Everson Walls from Nate Newton.
We'll see you next Monday on Mix Shots Go Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 6 (49:00):
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