December 30, 2025 • 51 mins
Breaking news strikes in the middle of the podcast, the Cowboys outright releasing CB Trevon Diggs with one game left in the season and three years left on his non-guaranteed base salaries, and the guys react, no one really surprised this saga has come to this end. Also talk of the Pro Football Hall of Fame and position of greatest need going forward.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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This is Mick Shot screaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com
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Hecma Harrison, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It is a Tuesday inside the SWBC podcast studio at
the Beautiful Star in Frisco, and Heckma Harrison says, come
on in to another edition of Mickshot. Jones, they should
be Hall of Famer. Everson Walls, Hecma Harrison.
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Should be Hall of Famer, Will will be a Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Cowboy blue today is that we all got blue?
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Boy?
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Blue?
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Got blue under here? No? No, well you got a
shell it playing? Okay, you can't just I will tell
me about it. We all.
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Underwear, doesn't you got your cowboy underwear?
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Such a good little boy.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
And somebody just recently they were they were dressing for
their college game and they go on, you gotta have
special underwear.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Oh wow, yeah, probably someone told you. Somebody told him that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I like that baby blue color.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Then man, I got this Christmas man and my wife
got this swimming man.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
That's sweet North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I don't know if that's what she was going for.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Well, yeah, I said that, helmet.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Don't even say it, because you don't even say it.
Take you too low, don't do it. Just stop right there,
Just stop, because just stop.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
We got a lot to get to and a short
time to get there.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
We got today, and we got tomorrow, and then they've
given us off on Thursday, New Year's Day, and the day.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
After and so second New Year the day.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, that's right, yep. So and there's a lot a
lot going on to Jerry was on the radio today
talking about we got Pro Football Hall of Fame finalists
announced this morning, right, and we had eventful afternoon yesterday
with a shot and Ibor press conference, and Mickey is
looking at the fifteen finalists.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
I was, well, they dropped me off the morning. He
dropped me off back in the corner.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
These are modern day.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Oh, let me take a look at this.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I was sitting there to make the cut for the
old time.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
No I should did. The old time has dropped me off.
Let see what's happening here?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
So where do you want to start?
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Give me some good news on that? Come on, give
me some.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Bit way down the list. They do it alphabetically.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Two cowboys who are Hall of Fame finalists made the
cut two fifteen and Mickey, you got them right there.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
You got to go all the way to the w's right.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Get me find Jason Wit and figure it out there
his first time being eligible, correct. And then of course
Darren Woodson in his eighteenth year of eligibility, he is
a finalist top fifteen for the fourth time.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Okay, so this is nothing new for you again again.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
How many opportunities do you get before you move into
Everson walls.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
To get old?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I think you have twenty years, so he's got this
is eighteen, So two more. A'clock's ticking here. We've got
to get this done, and it's about time they did it.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Just a bad time, I mean past. What's different this
year from the other year, Like the voters would would like,
I have Gary Meyers always in my corner. He does
all the listening for me. I'm sure Woody has his
own people, but.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
He needs me.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Is that what it is? Yes? But there are times
when things stack up well, like there are times when
they say, hey man, you got a really good chance
this time because you know, no other cowboys going in
and blah blah blah blah some bs that never works out.
But with Woody seems to be the same situation. Is
this a special year to where things stack up well
for him to finally do it? I mean, you know,
(04:39):
are we not putting in any safeties this year? He's
the only safety?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
There's the issue this year?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Now you had one that dropped out on his own
because he started quarterback in that year. It was cult
so otherwise Philip Rivers would have been a uh. He's
a first time eligible. Took himself out of the running
several weeks ago. But the first year eligible?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Do you have them? Handy there? Drew Brees is one
of them, and he made.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
The cut obviously. Larry Fitzgerald obviously made the cut and
he's in his first year eligible. Eli Manning it's his
second years. Keithley is second year, second year?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Okay, who else was there?
Speaker 6 (05:21):
There was a couple? There was four, wasn't there?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But anyway, the problem to answer your question is now
you've got new guys entering in. Who might be Larry
Fitzgerald you know, and Drew Brees are sitting there as possibilities.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
His first year and four of the guys four of
the guys in the group. Was it four or seven?
Four that were finalists last year?
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Any defensive players besides with.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Him, I can run off the list for you. Here's
here's the entire list, in alphabetical order. Tackle Willie Anderson,
who is a like six time as a final semi finalists,
Drew Brees first time, Jerry Evans, offensive guard, Larry Fitzgerald,
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Frank Gore, Tory Holt, Luke Keikley, Eli Manning.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Yeah, I think he was a good twelve times there
when I was trying to get it, they got talked
to Tory, Yeah, what about I think I thought he
was I thought he made it.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
I thought had.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Made nine was his last year playing?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Luke Keikley next to each other, Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Terrell Suggs, Arrel Suggs, Terrell Suggs, Sanitary, Reggie Wayne, Yeah, nice,
Kevin Williams defensive tackle Jason Whitten, Darren Woods and Marshall on.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
So what about uh retired senior? They don't have? That was?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
This was a who this was that was already announced previously.
They did the disservice last year by not getting the
maximum voted in last year.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
They only had four of last years.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
They needed to go do the maximum every year, and
then you start chipping away at it, you know, but
it makes the Q rather long there.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
It's like everything that needed to be said about what
he so far has been said. I don't know what
else you can point out the fact that he ended
up in this franchise as the leading tackler. All right,
all these defensive guys in the Hall of Fame, he's
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got more tackles than.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Every one of them, everyone defensive Dallas Cowboy Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Yeah, and or the Maring of Honor. Right, So what
more can you say. It's almost like you got to
scold these guys that are voting. It's like, come on,
get up, off your But.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I think it's tougher obviously as you get older. But
you know, the media hadn't always been, you know, the
bastion of fairness. So there are times when you get
media guys that they don't even do the job. And
even though they have this responsibility, I don't think they
(08:21):
take the time to even do the research. Uh, they've
always got you know, we've always every media guy has
his guide, you know, we got Woody. You know, let's say,
if you were older, you got Woody. But speaking on
it in the terms, I'm saying, if you were the
guys out, one of those young guys that I was
talking about, you wouldn't even care to look back on
(08:43):
any other player. You wouldn't care to look back on
Woodi's uh, you know, history, no one, no one cares
about that.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
And a lot of them haven't seen them play.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
And that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Here are the other candidates. The seniors category finalists are Anderson,
Roger Craig, and Elsie greenwood Man, along with coach finalists
Bill Belichick and contributor finalist Robert Kraft.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
And it's a.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Maximum number of five modern era players can be voted
in with a minimum positive vote of eighty percent for election.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
So have all four guys on the Steel Curtain in
the Hall of Fame except for Elsie?
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Uh hechman. Do you know any of those people?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Do? I don't?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, come on, this was a layout.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yes, I thank you, but yeah, I think my uncle
got He passed out a lot of gold jackets, So yeah,
Elsie's probably.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Elsie and I made the Black College Hall of Fame
before he passed and man, he's you probably of course
knew him, knew of him, and yeah he's a show
up dresser. Yeah, you couldn't tell me he wasn't handsome.
He would tell them, He tell you he's handsome. And
so he's one of those guys that just had a
great personality, just like pretty much all the other guys
on that still couldtain.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
You know what I remember about when he passed away.
I remember Joe Green talking about it, and he was
he's the last I think, living member of that steel
curtain and LC passed away, and he said, you know,
the hard thing for me is when you get older,
he said sometimes and this resonated with me. He goes,
(10:31):
these guys were all my best friends, and he goes,
as you get older, you don't make friends that are
that good of friends when you get older. You make
them when you're younger and you carry them with you.
But when you get older, say you get to fifty
or sixty, Now, how many great friends have you just made?
And I thought about it, and I go, yeah, he's
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kind of right.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
That's an easy call because with those great friends that
you've had for a while, the key word is trust.
You know, you can't just trust someone that you just
met the way you trust someone who is who has
carried that with you, y'all's entire you know, relationship.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Yeah, the blood sweating, Yeah, man, you know they're not
just playing.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Yeah, there are times when those guys, you know whatever,
whoever they still curtain guys were or whoever your older
friends are. You know, you there have been moments where
they've passed the test, you know, and you passed the
test for them as well. So it's not just about
you know, what can I what can you do for me?
It's always about what I can do for you as
a friend.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, I know the Greenwood family would be happy, uh
if he were to make it to be a Hall
of Famer again. I think he was most proud of
being from Arkansas Pine Bluff, you know, being from being
a guy from Mississippi, but going to HBCUs and in
that time, as you know, man, that was everything. To
be able to represent black colleges and being a Black
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college Hall of Famer means a lot, meant a lot
to him. I got the opportunity to meet him when
I was very young, and you got to understand when Monk,
who was winning Super Bowls. I had no consciousness of
anything that he was doing, So I always asked the
silly question, Hey, people still write you fan mail, you know,
just understanding who these guys were. But so many of
those guys that are on that list, the great champions
(12:19):
of our game, that don't that do all of this
hard work for that one moment to be classified as
a Hall of Famer. It gets disappointing. And I mean
I stopped talking when people talk about Woody, It just
it ticks me off on a whole other level to
see him have to go this many years without the
recognition that his career deserved. But I understand that for
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every Darren Woodson, there's another guy out there, there's another
organization that has another guy just like him. And so
not that it falls on deaf ears, it's just there
are a lot of guys that are waiting to have
that recognition, and I think the right thing, doing the
right thing.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
And yeah, they they're so hasty in regards to Okay,
I gotta get him in now, and no one wastes
their turn. You know, you keep trying to push another
guy over another person. So yeah, that's I think the
way it starts to get jumbled where you start trying
to stack somebody over a person that's been waiting for
like ten years, and.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
They are eighteen years in Woody's case.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So when you talk about first ballot Hall of Famers,
and this would be for Jason Witten, he'd be a
first ballot Hall of Famer if he made it. Would
you be shocked?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Here's the deal and this will clarify for everybody. There
are four first year eligible finalists this year. The four
are Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, Frank Gore, and Jason Witten.
And there's only five that are getting in a maximum
five the second year guys. Second year eligible guys who
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are finalists this year Keickley, Manning, Suggs, Vined Terry in
the end of So there's nine in their first or
second year that our finalists.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Out of the guest fifteen.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Here half of those first you said, Ary, wow, half
of those four will make.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It two of them?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Two of them?
Speaker 6 (14:15):
So which would Brew Breeze, Breezezgerald?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Would it leaves three spots?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, Kickley would be one for me. That's just you know,
just thinking off the top. And Terrell Suggs was incredible
but again.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Damn all of them?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Man?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, and then uh so Woody eighteenth year of eligibility.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Will of the other finalists, Willie Anderson's in his thirteenth
year of eligibility, Cory Holt in his twelfth, Reggie Wayne
is seventh, Kevin Williams a first time finalist, uh sixth
year of eligibility so, and Jarry Evans fourth year.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
So I covered all of them.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
I think the thing that upsets me about what he
are the safeties that have previously gone in recently.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I can't curious.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
They cannot they cannot.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Was it was it after the Steve Atwater? Was it
after that? I didn't want to say? Was that the
one for you?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
For me? Man? That was the one for me? Come on,
I mean you can I've met my last year Brian Dawkins.
I love Brian Dawkins. All those guys are, they're all eligible,
they're all worthy. But man, what's the rush?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
What's the rush? That that really surprised.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Dave that Water ever go in the slot and take
on Jerry.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
He did not think he ever played man man in
his life. Yeah, not even on the tight end.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You get the you get the text from so it's
probably it's probably time to switch to a lighter subject.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Move on, you want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
No, he says, there's there's another W. Witton and Woodson. Well,
there's another W. There's a wall.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah, should already be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah,
that's crazy, right, all right, so there's that, Mickey.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I want to have the Eberflus conversation. Did you hear
the one five three? Yes? I did?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Please please Jerry. Jerry was on one O five three
the fan this morning. Right, you got a recap, boy,
there was a lot of point.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
There's a lot kah.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Dak Dak's playing.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Oh man for real?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Start there.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Yeah, uh, Iberflus is not singularly responsible for the defensive struggles.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Of course, there's that.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
The biggest problem with the defense was the cornerback position,
and that's what I picked. Before he answered it, I
got have answered it for him.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
So some they asked him what's what what position?
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Discip pointed you the most defense, and then linebacker came up.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I will prepare and we'll do it in the next segment.
A text that I sent to a friend about the
cornerback position.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
That will put it.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
All that will be a review of what they went
through at cornerback this season.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
But go ahead.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
I already reviewed it with Douglas when I had listened
to what Jerry said.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
But yeah, we can do that.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
They had to ask the perfunctory question about would you
change how you operate the franchise. It's like it's a
standard question every year, right, Well, you didn't win the
Super Bowl, so do you have to change how.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You would never play scrabble with this guy.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
It's like they're obligated, right, And it was a great answer.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
We'll get to it, especially since it.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Was spur of the moment, right, you remember how we
answered it about he was talking about guys that were
in the gold rush in the day and they had
a pick and they just kept swinging and swinging and.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
They never hit gold. And they never hit gold.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
They kept hitting rock and then the one time you swing,
you hit gold.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So you got to keep swinging. That's that's his mantra
as a businessman. That's how he became a billionaire mining
for stuff that wasn't there. And the next thing you
know is Spindle took well.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
And he didn't use oil, he used gold, right, And
he didn't hesitate when they asked him the question. It
was the spur of the moment parable on the gold Diggers,
and it's just amazing. And he never said no, we're
not changing. He just said you got to keep swinging
and you never know when you hit.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
So we have breaking news.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Okay from Tom Pellicero.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Let me make sure, all right, are you saying I'm
pertaining to the cowboys.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
It's returning to pertaining to the cowboys and the cornerback
position on the Cowboys. I'm making sure that there's a
blue check mark by this. Tom Pelasero leg Yeah. Wow,
want me to check it out before I.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Le us check this out.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
It looks like I break it, will come back with
the breaking news. I was going to get it. Yes,
but go ahead, you want to well, now now go come.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Back with it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
All right?
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Speaker 4 (22:22):
Okay, ready for the breaking news, and now.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Everybody knows.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Legit.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
We have to ring a bell or something. You can
do your own wave sounder the way the AP wire
used the ding ding ding ding All.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Right, and I think Todd Archer may have had it first.
I'll give him credit.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Adam Adam Schefter has it as well.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Oh yeah, sir, but he after one person.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Cowboys have released a cornerback, Trayvon Diggs. He goes through
the waiver process and if unclaimed, he will be a
free agent.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
So there you go. Somebody know they won't what I
was gonna say for.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
One one game if you need a corner and you
think he can still play, although he's not demonstrated that
you can pick him up for one week of pay, right,
because you don't get paid during the playoffs unless you
share whatever the share is.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Already had texted bye bye bye Diggs.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
There's a Al Harris coaches in Chicago coach team before.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Right, and where else you're going with that? Bill?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
And he got that's it. That's it. There's a that
was a spread.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Would be an obvious landing spot. Yeah, a team that's
headed for the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I just I just want to say, look for me.
He himill.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
Can he take a lot of guys, A lot of guys,
do a lot of guys if he still if he
still loves the game, you know the way that that
you would need him to.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I just, man, I hate the I hate the way
that it all ended here for him in Dallas, and
I don't know, I know it was tied a lot
to Michael because him and Michael was good friends. But
it's a it's a certain amount of professionalism that guys
bring to their job and who they are, their family
and all that. I love you, Everson Wallas, but listen, man,
I'm gonna be here. You know what I'm saying. You know,
(24:24):
so when you tie yourself into someone and then you know,
it all goes down, goes downhill and all this, Like
I think for me, it was the television following on
your head deal.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Oh is that what happened?
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Well, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Okay, you learn that, Mickey. I'm not going there. I'm
just gonna go with the story. Sometimes the story is,
you know, this stranger than fiction, and so things like
that that have happened. It's like, man, come on, man,
you can't. You can't be that kind of guy. And
and then you know, Lead, I remember the interview that
you did with him when you YouTube for seven. Yeah,
when y'all sat down one on one for him, got
(25:07):
an Emmy by the way, there it go, thank you.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
He got it.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
But but it was but it was also what you said,
But it was I felt like that was a passing
of the torch from you I was supposed to be that. Yes, okay, yes,
and so man, what a fumble, you know, what a fumble.
And it's unfortunate. But maybe because he got the numbers
that he has.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
I mean, you know, he and I share that uh
a team team lead together in interceptions, you would think
that he would, you know, kind of solidify himself here
for quite some time. I was able to hang in
here for nine years, uh barely made a coaching change
with him. It's been a little bit more volatile during
(25:52):
his career, and that that also says a lot about
how your career might be with one particular organization. It
depends on sometimes other factors that you know, might end
up determining how long you're going to be in a
certain place. And some of those factors they were brought
on by himself, and I would I would say that myself.
(26:14):
When Michael left, it seems as if so did he,
you know, in his heart, it seemed like he left
the organization at least for a minute. And then when
it seemed like things were going well, you could, as
Mickey was talking about, you could see what he was
a little bit more engaged, and I was hoping that
was going to be the last sentiment that we had
(26:34):
for this year, and that would keep him here for
the next year and years after that.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Go ahead, Mick.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Number one on the television thing. Would you try to
mount a big screen TV?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
No, sir, and I would pay someone good money to.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Do, especially if you were making twelve million this year. Yeah,
it's just a it doesn't that.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Ain't no no that you can mount the TV without
killing himself half almost you can just mount it, mount
the TV at home. I'm freaking sixty.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
What's the what's the what's the feel?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
That's that hard?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
The geek squad? Squad? I think it's a major.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Yeah, I got like a sixty five at home.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I mean, come on, making twice that I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Well, then he just needed help. He needed somebody else.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
LP.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
You know, I saw them mount mine, and I saw
two guys doing it and they were struggling.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Well, you know, you had like one hundred inches.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
I'm just talking about them easily sixty five inch man.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Come on, he didn't buy no sixty five.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Hold up.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
It's just it's just a shame that, you know, it
was a steal when they got them in the second round, right,
and had such a great first couple of years, and
then things went downhill. He gets hurt, disappointed the team
by not rehabbing here wasn't ready to play the start
(28:13):
of training cap which they projected, wasn't ready really to
play the start of the season. But it wasn't that
it was injury related. He wasn't ready to play football
because he hadn't done anything right, and you know, and
an excuse came back.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
While he's still rehabbing.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Well, he'd been rehabbing for nine months. And then it
was one of those things where Okay, are these knees
worn out? And is this something that's gonna happen again
and again? And it was both knees, right. So the
last one was the surgery on the good knee.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
From a team standpoint, salary cap standpoint, is it behoove
the Cowboys to do it now rather than waiting until
the next business year where you make him a post
June first cut.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Do you know the answer to that?
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I do.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
They've got plenty of salary cap space to handle whatever
comes due.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I look this up.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
If that could be.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
A reason beyond just you know, so that it actually
benefits the Cowboys from a salary cap standpoint going forward
next year. To do it now where you don't have
any of his money on the books for next year, maybe.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I don't know. So they've got twenty million dollars of
salary cap.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
He still had five point eight million of pro rated
signing bonus to count for. So I believe that happens immediately, right,
like if you had traded them or cut them, right,
it goes into this year. If they did June one,
(29:59):
then it would be two point nine two point nine
in six and twenty seven. If he did it immediately
next year, then it was five point eight. So maybe
they figured we could absorb we're not keeping them, right,
we can absorb the five point eight. And I don't
(30:19):
think his base salary this year was guaranteed. So whatever
one eighteenth of his base.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Was eight point five million, was his base.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Eight point five, So you got up one to eighteenth.
Next year it's fourteen.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
So a team picking him up on waivers, claiming him
on waivers is only due one more week, which is
four hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Dollars, right, So somebody could do that. Yeah, and he
has no guaranteed money after that.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Yeah, so you could rent him for the playoffs basically
if you think he can help you.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
And they've seen some evidence over the last two weeks
whether they would want to do that or not.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Right and judge what they have and what is this
compared to what we're playing with.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
I would imagine how he's thinking real hard right now.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Right, I would imagine he probably thinks get it back
out of he's lobbying. Yeah, yeah, one of one of
the uh well, and how many other cowboy assistant coaches
are out there Seattle?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Well, but they don't need him, right yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Aiden dirty right, he's the defensive coordinator in Seattle and
they're in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Let bears have you know? Right?
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yeah, so and they just got their other guy back,
the guy that got the tip interception to start that game.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Well, Jalen Johnson, Yeah, thank you who deflected the ball
and t J Edwards he deflected it.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Now that's man, this is I mean, And I'm glad
we didn't get this after the podcast was over. How
about that?
Speaker 5 (32:00):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Come on, guys, act like you know what to do
when you get breaking news. It's that's your first rodeo
here Mickey, you know you got plenty of saying he's
been in your doghouse for a long time.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
And this.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
The reason it took him so long to play is
they didn't want him to get hurt. They were just
biding their time, and then they felt like, all right.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
So that you think this was the game plan to
activating him two weeks ago?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Where the two or the I think if there wasn't,
you're doing him as.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Solid by doing that and showing other teams that that, okay,
here's what you can do, and then they cut them
and they can.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
I think they felt like they were forced to do
it when Deron Bland needed the surgery.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
And you gotta you gotta know the Trayvon had to
know this was coming.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
How many games when he got there, playing how many
games as well.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
As he can to show or is he playing is
just enough to where he does get himself hurt?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I think though the bottom line on it is the
Cowboys feel like this benefits them going forward from a
financial standpoint to do it now rather than I mean,
you could just make h men active on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Because they had money available because.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Of Yeah, they got like twenty million dollars available, they
can absorb whatever the hit is and then that the
slatest clean going into the next business year. So that
was what they had to factor in from a business standpoint.
Does it does it benefit us more to wait or
does it benefit us more to handle it now? And
they decided it it benefits it more to handle it now.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
What if it goes to Green Bay with his boy? Yeah, well,
I mean reunited.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
Good.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
I mean, you know, that's when everything went south, but
that that probably down.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I would wouldn't be surprised if that's his choice. Yeah,
there's waivers. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Well, and there were rumors out there that they tried
to do that part of the trade.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Well's send both of them.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Yeah wow, Okay, as I qualified, there were rumors, Okay,
nothing that was verified.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
All right, So can I run down what the Cowboys
have done at the cornerback.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Position this seasons? Okay? All right?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Aside from Diggs, who, by the way, this what someone
sent me this tweet over the weekend, which states from
NFL researcher. Per Next Gen Stats, Trayvon has allowed a
one hundred and fifty six point three passer rating and
coverage in twenty twenty five, the highest among six hundred
(34:38):
and sixteen cornerbacks with at least twenty targets in a
season since twenty twenty. A perfect passer rating is one
fifty eight point three fifty six point three, okay. Next
highest allowed was Tay Banks of the Giants at won
thirty six point three.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Okay. So this was my response to my friend. Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
So that's how Diggs has performed, and he missed eight
games this seaar. And then you had Deran Bland who's
been dealing with a foot injury in the season. So
this is what the defensive coordinator has been dealing with
on this defense all year. So there's one hundred and
ninety million dollars worth of contract at the cornerback position.
So it's not like when these guys are hobbled that
(35:18):
you can just go out and you've already spent one
hundred ninety million dollars at the cornerback position, all right.
So and then they had a rookie cornerback coming off
in the surgery who wasn't available to the second avenue.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
You with this, QBR was I don't know this.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
There you go a second year cornerback with a bad knee,
which is Kaylen So a second year cornerback with a
bad knee, Kayln Carson, a second year cornerback who was
Ready Stewart who was cut by the Vikings in August,
a rookie seventh round pick Bridges who was cut by
the Chargers in August, and a first round bust in
(35:58):
kyir Elam who they got in a trade early in
the off season from the Bills, who's now with Tennessee
and can't get on the field at Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, and he started four or five.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Games to start the season, But it's Zebraflus's fault what
happened with his defense this year.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Because they tried to play zone to protect all these guys.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, but we can't do that. We can't. We can't
because then what starts to happen when you start talking
about zone versus man and all that. That's assuming that
guys don't know how to play that technique and I'm
sitting next to it. Should be hall of famer, a
black college Hall of famer that has probably probably been
playing quarters coverage since his days in high school.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
With me, Just agree, Just come on, besides that, Okay,
besides that, but you.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Know what, you know what I mean, it's it's the
fact that guys get out there and this argument that
in listening to to Jerry earlier about the d fence,
and there's this crowd that says, obviously, get rid of
e reflues. But then there's the other crowd that says,
you don't have any talent the way that Bill is saying.
And so what do you do when you don't have
(37:10):
the scheme that fits the guys? And I don't know
what scheme would have fit this secondary, especially with what
the guys that you're talking about, first round bus, guys
that were cut from other organizations, guys that have been
cut from here and have gone to other places and
can't get on the field. So that tells you everything
that you need to know about the talent that Dallas
has been dealing with.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
For Severn, I think I think the only guy that has,
you know, following Uphill on this is Nay Sean, because
Sean at one point he's leading the league interceptions. Louis
playing in Chicago, okay, and and they're doing well. He's
in the playoffs right now, so you know, I don't
know what, Yeah, he's but yeah, but nah, I you know,
(37:56):
that's the way I see it. I see one person
that has followen up Hill that up here and he's.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Doing then it took him some time to find a
home because he was with the Viking last year, but
now here he is, you know, after Harris goes to Chicago.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Okay, so sometimes you know, you have players that can
adapt to the defense, but I wouldn't put Yeah, secondary sucks,
we got that, but the secondary wasn't the ones that
giving up all these running plays. You know, We've been
getting gassed for three years now, you know, and nothing
(38:33):
changed this year. I think that's what upset me more
was we didn't do anything better in our running game
defensively than we did before we even got the players
that we acquired.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
Just a couple of games and then it fell apart.
Williams man, but.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Come on, man. So that's why I said, Okay, yeah,
secondary is one thing, but to me, if you can't
stop the run, then yeah, your secondary will look that way.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
They thought they were taking care of that a couple
of years ago when Dan Quinn drafted Mozzie Smith.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
No, yeah, I heard about that. How did that get right?
Speaker 6 (39:07):
How did that and I'm going to have Jerry pointed
it out about things they didn't have on defense, and
he mentioned Lawrence, oh, pro bowler, Marcus Lawrence, And.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
I would imagine he's very disappointed in the defensive backs
because of the one hundred and thirty eight million dollars
or whatever you got, one hundred and eighty million dollars
that is now just at this point, you know, going
up in a quarterback. How many games seventy eight?
Speaker 6 (39:45):
How many games did Will Bland have missed?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I actually wrote that he'll miss five games total. He
missed two, he missed the Giants game, in the Bears
game early in the season, and then he's missing the
last three.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
So that's thirteen us by your starting cornerback.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
And so I'm sure all of that money, Yeah, that's
why he says the cornerbacks of the defensive back position
is most disappointing because he put more money into that
position than the other one.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
And then who is your third cornerback to start the season.
I believe.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Started right, but if somebody's healthy, Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Land is in the slot.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Land and Jigs are playing every play right, and then
Elam comes in in the nickel and Elam was here
for ten games and four starts and got cut.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
And I remember looking at him in training camp. I'm going, Wow,
that guy's got good feet.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I thought so too, until the until the Rams showed up. Yeah,
the Ram showed up. That's oh, that changed everything. Adams
DeVante Adams.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Exposed him well, and the other possibility broken.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
The other possible He got it.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
The other possibility while we waited on was Kayln Carson.
And he got hurt in training camp, right and wasn't
available to start the season, right, All right? Do we
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Speaker 3 (43:37):
You know this is our second to last mixed shots
of this calendar year. And one thing you can say
about us, at least we are consistent because we haven't
paid attention to this rundown all year.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Love, no here what stuff happens. We had an excuse today.
We had an excuse today.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
All fame well and the Hall of fame was that
happened after after we got the running.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
In the digs and digs thing. And I'm not even
the gam with the digs thing. I'm sorry, but you
know even his brother got in trouble today. Yeah, so yeah, man,
it's a lot going on with the digs up. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (44:15):
Yeah, he got charged about December second strangulation.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
Yeah, something else rough out there.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Boy, he's saying he didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Okay, So I just had to.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
I just I couldn't let that go by without Okay.
So hecky accurate. You had all this work in for
our rundown, oh rundown.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
So I want you to.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Pick something, pick something, pick something.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
You know, I really wanted to know from you guys,
who was when you're rebuilding this roster for twenty twenty six? Yeah, cornerback?
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Is this boy?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Question?
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Like this is jeopardy?
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Okay, at least hit the buzzer? All right, who are
some positions that are untouched untouchable quarterback?
Speaker 4 (45:05):
I'm not going to hold him to that they ain't
touched anybody.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, Who's who's untouchable? Who's untouchable? And let's take dak
and quitting with off the table and the Kicker and
the Kicker okay and c D and okay and CD
and and the Tyler Smith.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Quenty Williams okay, Booker putting putting the list together here?
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yes, Booker, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
I'm I want to give you somebody on defense, you know, Well, Williams,
it'll be it's a ROCKU, It'll be Bland is a rock.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Oh So yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
They they I think.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
From whatever what we keep hearing, they would like to
resign Clowney. I would yeah, I like that one and
maybe have him there now. Who knows if he wants
to do the off season and training.
Speaker 5 (46:00):
He gotta do it, man, he gotta do it. I mean,
this guy, he showed me something.
Speaker 6 (46:05):
I forgot how many games he's played, but he's tied
for the team. Who would have had this on their
Bengo card start the season that your two leading guys
with sacks at five and a half each would be
Jadavian Clowney and James Houston.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, not a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
They weren't even on the Was Houston on the team? Well, yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (46:27):
Think he was in training, Yeah, because I remember guys
talking about his ability to have sacks. But it's still
he wasn't good enough to play every down and he
wasn't good against them.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
And the fact that he was even available to be picked.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
Up, right because he had to go through UFL Right,
didn't he playing.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
But he had? He had originally been with the Lions
and half a season with the Lions.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
He's also unbelievable that we're talking team high in sacks
five and a half.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yeah that when you got you look down south to
Houston and you've got Neil Hunter has.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Fourteen team high five and a half.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
I mean, why wow?
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Which, by the way, the Texans charges set expectations and
sacked Herbert five times right before the Cowboys couldn't touch Herbert, And.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I understand that contractually, there are a lot of guys
that are not going to be touched. I'm just talking
about from a foundation standpoint and the way that the
team is woefully underperformed. Why are there certain guys even
still on this list that you would say are untouchable. Yeah,
I heard you say yesterday about trading in draft picks
for maybe going into free free agency to not go
(47:38):
so young, but get guys that approve and commodities to
make this team better that already has a bevy of
young guys on it. So it's just the disappointment of
the season to me is what I've been going to
cry about all through the off season. So whatever we
do in the draft, it has to be look otherwise.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
It's got to be defensive. It's got to be a
defensive side. That's number one. If we're going in the draft,
we gotta go on on the defense. Defensive side, I
think we all agree on that.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
And so on the defensive side, if that first pick
in the draft is going to be which position best.
Speaker 6 (48:14):
Player at cornerback or linebacker or defensive end?
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Linebacker, give me one, Give me one position, Mickey, cornerback.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
To be different, el say pass rusher, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Pass rusher, okay, linebacker, linebacker, but I will we gotta.
Speaker 5 (48:34):
Stop the run.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
Can I get one?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
We gotta stop the run, guys, we gotta stop the runs.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
The number one thing is to get.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
Then, don't say pass rusher, say defensive end.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
That's not.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Number one thing is to get the right kind of guy, yes,
at the at a position of need.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Okay. And so if we're going to say it, because
you have Kenny Clark already, and I think there's been
this philosophy of you're going to have if you signed Clark,
you're gonna have is it three pass rushers making three
guys up front that are making twenty million or more?
Kenny Clark's inner contract under he's under you don't have
to sign him to anything now two years, okay. So
(49:13):
so there is a thought that Kenny Clark has to
be resigned or there's money out.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
Of his nose.
Speaker 6 (49:19):
They're saying that you want to restructure.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Restructure, Okay, So to what you restructure.
Speaker 6 (49:26):
Well, he's as got to agree to it. Okay, you
got to pay him to restructure, Okay.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
So I'm just looking at this team, especially on defense,
especially with all the blame that's been placed on ibra
Flus throughout this season and the guys that he has,
how do you make this defense better? Even if you
go with a different guy. That's where do you Where
do you start with making it better? That's do you start.
Speaker 5 (49:50):
With the coach? That's to me, that's a before we
talk about picking anybody. Do we stick with the coach?
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Well?
Speaker 5 (49:58):
Defensive coordinated?
Speaker 3 (49:59):
It's not just the coach, but the coach has coaches
that he brought with him from Chicago, And it's how
do all of those defensive coaches fit into the plan
that Shottennimor has and.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
With these new players, all of them pretty much still
new and working together. Will that will that team fit
with that defensive coordinator? That's still a question. Do we
still want him? What did Jerry say, we'll see, right,
we got three games to go at that time.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
How there's one game to go.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
You see how interesting that rundown was. I mean, how
you have to do is touch on one of those
subjects and then you know that's just saying no, it's
not thirst. I'm just telling you that that's how good
these rundowns are.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
If we touch on any subject.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Come, I'm just saying, hey, and we didn't talk about
the Giants, but I will say this about them. Go.
If the Giants mess around and get one of these
good coaches that's about to be released, be fired. Hey,
send us out of here.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Bill all right, and we're gonna do it one more
time in twenty twenty five tomorrow at.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
High noon, Go Cowboys.
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Hecma Harrison, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It is a Tuesday inside the SWBC podcast studio at
the Beautiful Star in Frisco, and Heckma Harrison says, come
on in to another edition of Mickshot. Jones, they should
be Hall of Famer. Everson Walls, Hecma Harrison.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Should be Hall of Famer, Will will be a Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Cowboy blue today is that we all got blue?
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Boy?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Blue?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Got blue under here? No? No, well you got a
shell it playing? Okay, you can't just I will tell
me about it. We all.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Underwear, doesn't you got your cowboy underwear?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Such a good little boy.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
And somebody just recently they were they were dressing for
their college game and they go on, you gotta have
special underwear.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Oh wow, yeah, probably someone told you. Somebody told him that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I like that baby blue color.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Then man, I got this Christmas man and my wife
got this swimming man.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
That's sweet North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I don't know if that's what she was going for.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Well, yeah, I said that, helmet.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Don't even say it, because you don't even say it.
Take you too low, don't do it. Just stop right there,
Just stop, because just stop.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
We got a lot to get to and a short
time to get there.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
We got today, and we got tomorrow, and then they've
given us off on Thursday, New Year's Day, and the day.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
After and so second New Year the day.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, that's right, yep. So and there's a lot a
lot going on to Jerry was on the radio today
talking about we got Pro Football Hall of Fame finalists
announced this morning, right, and we had eventful afternoon yesterday
with a shot and Ibor press conference, and Mickey is
looking at the fifteen finalists.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
I was, well, they dropped me off the morning. He
dropped me off back in the corner.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
These are modern day.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Oh, let me take a look at this.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I was sitting there to make the cut for the
old time.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
No I should did. The old time has dropped me off.
Let see what's happening here?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
So where do you want to start?
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Give me some good news on that? Come on, give
me some.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Bit way down the list. They do it alphabetically.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Two cowboys who are Hall of Fame finalists made the
cut two fifteen and Mickey, you got them right there.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
You got to go all the way to the w's right.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Get me find Jason Wit and figure it out there
his first time being eligible, correct. And then of course
Darren Woodson in his eighteenth year of eligibility, he is
a finalist top fifteen for the fourth time.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Okay, so this is nothing new for you again again.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
How many opportunities do you get before you move into
Everson walls.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
To get old?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I think you have twenty years, so he's got this
is eighteen, So two more. A'clock's ticking here. We've got
to get this done, and it's about time they did it.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Just a bad time, I mean past. What's different this
year from the other year, Like the voters would would like,
I have Gary Meyers always in my corner. He does
all the listening for me. I'm sure Woody has his
own people, but.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
He needs me.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Is that what it is? Yes? But there are times
when things stack up well, like there are times when
they say, hey man, you got a really good chance
this time because you know, no other cowboys going in
and blah blah blah blah some bs that never works out.
But with Woody seems to be the same situation. Is
this a special year to where things stack up well
for him to finally do it? I mean, you know,
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are we not putting in any safeties this year? He's
the only safety?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
There's the issue this year?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Now you had one that dropped out on his own
because he started quarterback in that year. It was cult
so otherwise Philip Rivers would have been a uh. He's
a first time eligible. Took himself out of the running
several weeks ago. But the first year eligible?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Do you have them? Handy there? Drew Brees is one
of them, and he made.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
The cut obviously. Larry Fitzgerald obviously made the cut and
he's in his first year eligible. Eli Manning it's his
second years. Keithley is second year, second year?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Okay, who else was there?
Speaker 6 (05:21):
There was a couple? There was four, wasn't there?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But anyway, the problem to answer your question is now
you've got new guys entering in. Who might be Larry
Fitzgerald you know, and Drew Brees are sitting there as possibilities.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
His first year and four of the guys four of
the guys in the group. Was it four or seven?
Four that were finalists last year?
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Any defensive players besides with.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Him, I can run off the list for you. Here's
here's the entire list, in alphabetical order. Tackle Willie Anderson,
who is a like six time as a final semi finalists,
Drew Brees first time, Jerry Evans, offensive guard, Larry Fitzgerald,
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Frank Gore, Tory Holt, Luke Keikley, Eli Manning.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Yeah, I think he was a good twelve times there
when I was trying to get it, they got talked
to Tory, Yeah, what about I think I thought he
was I thought he made it.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
I thought had.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Made nine was his last year playing?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Luke Keikley next to each other, Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Terrell Suggs, Arrel Suggs, Terrell Suggs, Sanitary, Reggie Wayne, Yeah, nice,
Kevin Williams defensive tackle Jason Whitten, Darren Woods and Marshall on.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
So what about uh retired senior? They don't have? That was?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
This was a who this was that was already announced previously.
They did the disservice last year by not getting the
maximum voted in last year.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
They only had four of last years.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
They needed to go do the maximum every year, and
then you start chipping away at it, you know, but
it makes the Q rather long there.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
It's like everything that needed to be said about what
he so far has been said. I don't know what
else you can point out the fact that he ended
up in this franchise as the leading tackler. All right,
all these defensive guys in the Hall of Fame, he's
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got more tackles than.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Every one of them, everyone defensive Dallas Cowboy Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Yeah, and or the Maring of Honor. Right, So what
more can you say. It's almost like you got to
scold these guys that are voting. It's like, come on,
get up, off your But.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I think it's tougher obviously as you get older. But
you know, the media hadn't always been, you know, the
bastion of fairness. So there are times when you get
media guys that they don't even do the job. And
even though they have this responsibility, I don't think they
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take the time to even do the research. Uh, they've
always got you know, we've always every media guy has
his guide, you know, we got Woody. You know, let's say,
if you were older, you got Woody. But speaking on
it in the terms, I'm saying, if you were the
guys out, one of those young guys that I was
talking about, you wouldn't even care to look back on
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any other player. You wouldn't care to look back on
Woodi's uh, you know, history, no one, no one cares
about that.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
And a lot of them haven't seen them play.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
And that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Here are the other candidates. The seniors category finalists are Anderson,
Roger Craig, and Elsie greenwood Man, along with coach finalists
Bill Belichick and contributor finalist Robert Kraft.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
And it's a.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Maximum number of five modern era players can be voted
in with a minimum positive vote of eighty percent for election.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
So have all four guys on the Steel Curtain in
the Hall of Fame except for Elsie?
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Uh hechman. Do you know any of those people?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Do? I don't?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, come on, this was a layout.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yes, I thank you, but yeah, I think my uncle
got He passed out a lot of gold jackets, So yeah,
Elsie's probably.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Elsie and I made the Black College Hall of Fame
before he passed and man, he's you probably of course
knew him, knew of him, and yeah he's a show
up dresser. Yeah, you couldn't tell me he wasn't handsome.
He would tell them, He tell you he's handsome. And
so he's one of those guys that just had a
great personality, just like pretty much all the other guys
on that still couldtain.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
You know what I remember about when he passed away.
I remember Joe Green talking about it, and he was
he's the last I think, living member of that steel
curtain and LC passed away, and he said, you know,
the hard thing for me is when you get older,
he said sometimes and this resonated with me. He goes,
(10:31):
these guys were all my best friends, and he goes,
as you get older, you don't make friends that are
that good of friends when you get older. You make
them when you're younger and you carry them with you.
But when you get older, say you get to fifty
or sixty, Now, how many great friends have you just made?
And I thought about it, and I go, yeah, he's
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kind of right.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
That's an easy call because with those great friends that
you've had for a while, the key word is trust.
You know, you can't just trust someone that you just
met the way you trust someone who is who has
carried that with you, y'all's entire you know, relationship.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Yeah, the blood sweating, Yeah, man, you know they're not
just playing.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Yeah, there are times when those guys, you know whatever,
whoever they still curtain guys were or whoever your older
friends are. You know, you there have been moments where
they've passed the test, you know, and you passed the
test for them as well. So it's not just about
you know, what can I what can you do for me?
It's always about what I can do for you as
a friend.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, I know the Greenwood family would be happy, uh
if he were to make it to be a Hall
of Famer again. I think he was most proud of
being from Arkansas Pine Bluff, you know, being from being
a guy from Mississippi, but going to HBCUs and in
that time, as you know, man, that was everything. To
be able to represent black colleges and being a Black
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college Hall of Famer means a lot, meant a lot
to him. I got the opportunity to meet him when
I was very young, and you got to understand when Monk,
who was winning Super Bowls. I had no consciousness of
anything that he was doing, So I always asked the
silly question, Hey, people still write you fan mail, you know,
just understanding who these guys were. But so many of
those guys that are on that list, the great champions
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of our game, that don't that do all of this
hard work for that one moment to be classified as
a Hall of Famer. It gets disappointing. And I mean
I stopped talking when people talk about Woody, It just
it ticks me off on a whole other level to
see him have to go this many years without the
recognition that his career deserved. But I understand that for
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every Darren Woodson, there's another guy out there, there's another
organization that has another guy just like him. And so
not that it falls on deaf ears, it's just there
are a lot of guys that are waiting to have
that recognition, and I think the right thing, doing the
right thing.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
And yeah, they they're so hasty in regards to Okay,
I gotta get him in now, and no one wastes
their turn. You know, you keep trying to push another
guy over another person. So yeah, that's I think the
way it starts to get jumbled where you start trying
to stack somebody over a person that's been waiting for
like ten years, and.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
They are eighteen years in Woody's case.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So when you talk about first ballot Hall of Famers,
and this would be for Jason Witten, he'd be a
first ballot Hall of Famer if he made it. Would
you be shocked?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Here's the deal and this will clarify for everybody. There
are four first year eligible finalists this year. The four
are Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, Frank Gore, and Jason Witten.
And there's only five that are getting in a maximum
five the second year guys. Second year eligible guys who
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are finalists this year Keickley, Manning, Suggs, Vined Terry in
the end of So there's nine in their first or
second year that our finalists.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Out of the guest fifteen.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Here half of those first you said, Ary, wow, half
of those four will make.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It two of them?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Two of them?
Speaker 6 (14:15):
So which would Brew Breeze, Breezezgerald?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Would it leaves three spots?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, Kickley would be one for me. That's just you know,
just thinking off the top. And Terrell Suggs was incredible
but again.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Damn all of them?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Man?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, and then uh so Woody eighteenth year of eligibility.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Will of the other finalists, Willie Anderson's in his thirteenth
year of eligibility, Cory Holt in his twelfth, Reggie Wayne
is seventh, Kevin Williams a first time finalist, uh sixth
year of eligibility so, and Jarry Evans fourth year.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
So I covered all of them.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
I think the thing that upsets me about what he
are the safeties that have previously gone in recently.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I can't curious.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
They cannot they cannot.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Was it was it after the Steve Atwater? Was it
after that? I didn't want to say? Was that the
one for you?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
For me? Man? That was the one for me? Come on,
I mean you can I've met my last year Brian Dawkins.
I love Brian Dawkins. All those guys are, they're all eligible,
they're all worthy. But man, what's the rush?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
What's the rush? That that really surprised.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Dave that Water ever go in the slot and take
on Jerry.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
He did not think he ever played man man in
his life. Yeah, not even on the tight end.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You get the you get the text from so it's
probably it's probably time to switch to a lighter subject.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Move on, you want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
No, he says, there's there's another W. Witton and Woodson. Well,
there's another W. There's a wall.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah, should already be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah,
that's crazy, right, all right, so there's that, Mickey.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I want to have the Eberflus conversation. Did you hear
the one five three? Yes? I did?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Please please Jerry. Jerry was on one O five three
the fan this morning. Right, you got a recap, boy,
there was a lot of point.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
There's a lot kah.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Dak Dak's playing.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Oh man for real?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Start there.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Yeah, uh, Iberflus is not singularly responsible for the defensive struggles.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Of course, there's that.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
The biggest problem with the defense was the cornerback position,
and that's what I picked. Before he answered it, I
got have answered it for him.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
So some they asked him what's what what position?
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Discip pointed you the most defense, and then linebacker came up.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I will prepare and we'll do it in the next segment.
A text that I sent to a friend about the
cornerback position.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
That will put it.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
All that will be a review of what they went
through at cornerback this season.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
But go ahead.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
I already reviewed it with Douglas when I had listened
to what Jerry said.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
But yeah, we can do that.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
They had to ask the perfunctory question about would you
change how you operate the franchise. It's like it's a
standard question every year, right, Well, you didn't win the
Super Bowl, so do you have to change how.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You would never play scrabble with this guy.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
It's like they're obligated, right, And it was a great answer.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
We'll get to it, especially since it.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Was spur of the moment, right, you remember how we
answered it about he was talking about guys that were
in the gold rush in the day and they had
a pick and they just kept swinging and swinging and.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
They never hit gold. And they never hit gold.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
They kept hitting rock and then the one time you swing,
you hit gold.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So you got to keep swinging. That's that's his mantra
as a businessman. That's how he became a billionaire mining
for stuff that wasn't there. And the next thing you
know is Spindle took well.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
And he didn't use oil, he used gold, right, And
he didn't hesitate when they asked him the question. It
was the spur of the moment parable on the gold Diggers,
and it's just amazing. And he never said no, we're
not changing. He just said you got to keep swinging
and you never know when you hit.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
So we have breaking news.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Okay from Tom Pellicero.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Let me make sure, all right, are you saying I'm
pertaining to the cowboys.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
It's returning to pertaining to the cowboys and the cornerback
position on the Cowboys. I'm making sure that there's a
blue check mark by this. Tom Pelasero leg Yeah. Wow,
want me to check it out before I.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Le us check this out.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
It looks like I break it, will come back with
the breaking news. I was going to get it. Yes,
but go ahead, you want to well, now now go come.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Back with it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
All right?
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Speaker 4 (22:22):
Okay, ready for the breaking news, and now.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Everybody knows.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Legit.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
We have to ring a bell or something. You can
do your own wave sounder the way the AP wire
used the ding ding ding ding All.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Right, and I think Todd Archer may have had it first.
I'll give him credit.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Adam Adam Schefter has it as well.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Oh yeah, sir, but he after one person.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Cowboys have released a cornerback, Trayvon Diggs. He goes through
the waiver process and if unclaimed, he will be a
free agent.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
So there you go. Somebody know they won't what I
was gonna say for.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
One one game if you need a corner and you
think he can still play, although he's not demonstrated that
you can pick him up for one week of pay, right,
because you don't get paid during the playoffs unless you
share whatever the share is.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Already had texted bye bye bye Diggs.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
There's a Al Harris coaches in Chicago coach team before.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Right, and where else you're going with that? Bill?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
And he got that's it. That's it. There's a that
was a spread.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Would be an obvious landing spot. Yeah, a team that's
headed for the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I just I just want to say, look for me.
He himill.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
Can he take a lot of guys, A lot of guys,
do a lot of guys if he still if he
still loves the game, you know the way that that
you would need him to.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I just, man, I hate the I hate the way
that it all ended here for him in Dallas, and
I don't know, I know it was tied a lot
to Michael because him and Michael was good friends. But
it's a it's a certain amount of professionalism that guys
bring to their job and who they are, their family
and all that. I love you, Everson Wallas, but listen, man,
I'm gonna be here. You know what I'm saying. You know,
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so when you tie yourself into someone and then you know,
it all goes down, goes downhill and all this, Like
I think for me, it was the television following on
your head deal.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Oh is that what happened?
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Well, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Okay, you learn that, Mickey. I'm not going there. I'm
just gonna go with the story. Sometimes the story is,
you know, this stranger than fiction, and so things like
that that have happened. It's like, man, come on, man,
you can't. You can't be that kind of guy. And
and then you know, Lead, I remember the interview that
you did with him when you YouTube for seven. Yeah,
when y'all sat down one on one for him, got
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an Emmy by the way, there it go, thank you.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
He got it.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
But but it was but it was also what you said,
But it was I felt like that was a passing
of the torch from you I was supposed to be that. Yes, okay, yes,
and so man, what a fumble, you know, what a fumble.
And it's unfortunate. But maybe because he got the numbers
that he has.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
I mean, you know, he and I share that uh
a team team lead together in interceptions, you would think
that he would, you know, kind of solidify himself here
for quite some time. I was able to hang in
here for nine years, uh barely made a coaching change
with him. It's been a little bit more volatile during
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his career, and that that also says a lot about
how your career might be with one particular organization. It
depends on sometimes other factors that you know, might end
up determining how long you're going to be in a
certain place. And some of those factors they were brought
on by himself, and I would I would say that myself.
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When Michael left, it seems as if so did he,
you know, in his heart, it seemed like he left
the organization at least for a minute. And then when
it seemed like things were going well, you could, as
Mickey was talking about, you could see what he was
a little bit more engaged, and I was hoping that
was going to be the last sentiment that we had
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for this year, and that would keep him here for
the next year and years after that.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Go ahead, Mick.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Number one on the television thing. Would you try to
mount a big screen TV?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
No, sir, and I would pay someone good money to.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Do, especially if you were making twelve million this year. Yeah,
it's just a it doesn't that.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Ain't no no that you can mount the TV without
killing himself half almost you can just mount it, mount
the TV at home. I'm freaking sixty.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
What's the what's the what's the feel?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
That's that hard?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
The geek squad? Squad? I think it's a major.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Yeah, I got like a sixty five at home.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I mean, come on, making twice that I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Well, then he just needed help. He needed somebody else.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
LP.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
You know, I saw them mount mine, and I saw
two guys doing it and they were struggling.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Well, you know, you had like one hundred inches.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
I'm just talking about them easily sixty five inch man.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Come on, he didn't buy no sixty five.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Hold up.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
It's just it's just a shame that, you know, it
was a steal when they got them in the second round, right,
and had such a great first couple of years, and
then things went downhill. He gets hurt, disappointed the team
by not rehabbing here wasn't ready to play the start
(28:13):
of training cap which they projected, wasn't ready really to
play the start of the season. But it wasn't that
it was injury related. He wasn't ready to play football
because he hadn't done anything right, and you know, and
an excuse came back.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
While he's still rehabbing.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Well, he'd been rehabbing for nine months. And then it
was one of those things where Okay, are these knees
worn out? And is this something that's gonna happen again
and again? And it was both knees, right. So the
last one was the surgery on the good knee.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
From a team standpoint, salary cap standpoint, is it behoove
the Cowboys to do it now rather than waiting until
the next business year where you make him a post
June first cut.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Do you know the answer to that?
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I do.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
They've got plenty of salary cap space to handle whatever
comes due.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I look this up.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
If that could be.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
A reason beyond just you know, so that it actually
benefits the Cowboys from a salary cap standpoint going forward
next year. To do it now where you don't have
any of his money on the books for next year, maybe.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
I don't know. So they've got twenty million dollars of
salary cap.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
He still had five point eight million of pro rated
signing bonus to count for. So I believe that happens immediately, right,
like if you had traded them or cut them, right,
it goes into this year. If they did June one,
(29:59):
then it would be two point nine two point nine
in six and twenty seven. If he did it immediately
next year, then it was five point eight. So maybe
they figured we could absorb we're not keeping them, right,
we can absorb the five point eight. And I don't
(30:19):
think his base salary this year was guaranteed. So whatever
one eighteenth of his base.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Was eight point five million, was his base.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Eight point five, So you got up one to eighteenth.
Next year it's fourteen.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
So a team picking him up on waivers, claiming him
on waivers is only due one more week, which is
four hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Dollars, right, So somebody could do that. Yeah, and he
has no guaranteed money after that.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Yeah, so you could rent him for the playoffs basically
if you think he can help you.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
And they've seen some evidence over the last two weeks
whether they would want to do that or not.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Right and judge what they have and what is this
compared to what we're playing with.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
I would imagine how he's thinking real hard right now.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Right, I would imagine he probably thinks get it back
out of he's lobbying. Yeah, yeah, one of one of
the uh well, and how many other cowboy assistant coaches
are out there Seattle?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Well, but they don't need him, right yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Aiden dirty right, he's the defensive coordinator in Seattle and
they're in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Let bears have you know? Right?
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yeah, so and they just got their other guy back,
the guy that got the tip interception to start that game.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Well, Jalen Johnson, Yeah, thank you who deflected the ball
and t J Edwards he deflected it.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Now that's man, this is I mean, And I'm glad
we didn't get this after the podcast was over. How
about that?
Speaker 5 (32:00):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Come on, guys, act like you know what to do
when you get breaking news. It's that's your first rodeo
here Mickey, you know you got plenty of saying he's
been in your doghouse for a long time.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
And this.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
The reason it took him so long to play is
they didn't want him to get hurt. They were just
biding their time, and then they felt like, all right.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
So that you think this was the game plan to
activating him two weeks ago?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Where the two or the I think if there wasn't,
you're doing him as.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Solid by doing that and showing other teams that that, okay,
here's what you can do, and then they cut them
and they can.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
I think they felt like they were forced to do
it when Deron Bland needed the surgery.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
And you gotta you gotta know the Trayvon had to
know this was coming.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
How many games when he got there, playing how many
games as well.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
As he can to show or is he playing is
just enough to where he does get himself hurt?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I think though the bottom line on it is the
Cowboys feel like this benefits them going forward from a
financial standpoint to do it now rather than I mean,
you could just make h men active on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Because they had money available because.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Of Yeah, they got like twenty million dollars available, they
can absorb whatever the hit is and then that the
slatest clean going into the next business year. So that
was what they had to factor in from a business standpoint.
Does it does it benefit us more to wait or
does it benefit us more to handle it now? And
they decided it it benefits it more to handle it now.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
What if it goes to Green Bay with his boy? Yeah, well,
I mean reunited.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
Good.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
I mean, you know, that's when everything went south, but
that that probably down.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I would wouldn't be surprised if that's his choice. Yeah,
there's waivers. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Well, and there were rumors out there that they tried
to do that part of the trade.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Well's send both of them.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Yeah wow, Okay, as I qualified, there were rumors, Okay,
nothing that was verified.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
All right, So can I run down what the Cowboys
have done at the cornerback.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Position this seasons? Okay? All right?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Aside from Diggs, who, by the way, this what someone
sent me this tweet over the weekend, which states from
NFL researcher. Per Next Gen Stats, Trayvon has allowed a
one hundred and fifty six point three passer rating and
coverage in twenty twenty five, the highest among six hundred
(34:38):
and sixteen cornerbacks with at least twenty targets in a
season since twenty twenty. A perfect passer rating is one
fifty eight point three fifty six point three, okay. Next
highest allowed was Tay Banks of the Giants at won
thirty six point three.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Okay. So this was my response to my friend. Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
So that's how Diggs has performed, and he missed eight
games this seaar. And then you had Deran Bland who's
been dealing with a foot injury in the season. So
this is what the defensive coordinator has been dealing with
on this defense all year. So there's one hundred and
ninety million dollars worth of contract at the cornerback position.
So it's not like when these guys are hobbled that
(35:18):
you can just go out and you've already spent one
hundred ninety million dollars at the cornerback position, all right.
So and then they had a rookie cornerback coming off
in the surgery who wasn't available to the second avenue.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
You with this, QBR was I don't know this.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
There you go a second year cornerback with a bad knee,
which is Kaylen So a second year cornerback with a
bad knee, Kayln Carson, a second year cornerback who was
Ready Stewart who was cut by the Vikings in August,
a rookie seventh round pick Bridges who was cut by
the Chargers in August, and a first round bust in
(35:58):
kyir Elam who they got in a trade early in
the off season from the Bills, who's now with Tennessee
and can't get on the field at Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, and he started four or five.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Games to start the season, But it's Zebraflus's fault what
happened with his defense this year.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Because they tried to play zone to protect all these guys.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, but we can't do that. We can't. We can't
because then what starts to happen when you start talking
about zone versus man and all that. That's assuming that
guys don't know how to play that technique and I'm
sitting next to it. Should be hall of famer, a
black college Hall of famer that has probably probably been
playing quarters coverage since his days in high school.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
With me, Just agree, Just come on, besides that, Okay,
besides that, but you.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Know what, you know what I mean, it's it's the
fact that guys get out there and this argument that
in listening to to Jerry earlier about the d fence,
and there's this crowd that says, obviously, get rid of
e reflues. But then there's the other crowd that says,
you don't have any talent the way that Bill is saying.
And so what do you do when you don't have
(37:10):
the scheme that fits the guys? And I don't know
what scheme would have fit this secondary, especially with what
the guys that you're talking about, first round bus, guys
that were cut from other organizations, guys that have been
cut from here and have gone to other places and
can't get on the field. So that tells you everything
that you need to know about the talent that Dallas
has been dealing with.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
For Severn, I think I think the only guy that has,
you know, following Uphill on this is Nay Sean, because
Sean at one point he's leading the league interceptions. Louis
playing in Chicago, okay, and and they're doing well. He's
in the playoffs right now, so you know, I don't
know what, Yeah, he's but yeah, but nah, I you know,
(37:56):
that's the way I see it. I see one person
that has followen up Hill that up here and he's.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Doing then it took him some time to find a
home because he was with the Viking last year, but
now here he is, you know, after Harris goes to Chicago.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Okay, so sometimes you know, you have players that can
adapt to the defense, but I wouldn't put Yeah, secondary sucks,
we got that, but the secondary wasn't the ones that
giving up all these running plays. You know, We've been
getting gassed for three years now, you know, and nothing
(38:33):
changed this year. I think that's what upset me more
was we didn't do anything better in our running game
defensively than we did before we even got the players
that we acquired.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
Just a couple of games and then it fell apart.
Williams man, but.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Come on, man. So that's why I said, Okay, yeah,
secondary is one thing, but to me, if you can't
stop the run, then yeah, your secondary will look that way.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
They thought they were taking care of that a couple
of years ago when Dan Quinn drafted Mozzie Smith.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
No, yeah, I heard about that. How did that get right?
Speaker 6 (39:07):
How did that and I'm going to have Jerry pointed
it out about things they didn't have on defense, and
he mentioned Lawrence, oh, pro bowler, Marcus Lawrence, And.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
I would imagine he's very disappointed in the defensive backs
because of the one hundred and thirty eight million dollars
or whatever you got, one hundred and eighty million dollars
that is now just at this point, you know, going
up in a quarterback. How many games seventy eight?
Speaker 6 (39:45):
How many games did Will Bland have missed?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I actually wrote that he'll miss five games total. He
missed two, he missed the Giants game, in the Bears
game early in the season, and then he's missing the
last three.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
So that's thirteen us by your starting cornerback.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
And so I'm sure all of that money, Yeah, that's
why he says the cornerbacks of the defensive back position
is most disappointing because he put more money into that
position than the other one.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
And then who is your third cornerback to start the season.
I believe.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Started right, but if somebody's healthy, Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Land is in the slot.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Land and Jigs are playing every play right, and then
Elam comes in in the nickel and Elam was here
for ten games and four starts and got cut.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
And I remember looking at him in training camp. I'm going, Wow,
that guy's got good feet.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I thought so too, until the until the Rams showed up. Yeah,
the Ram showed up. That's oh, that changed everything. Adams
DeVante Adams.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Exposed him well, and the other possibility broken.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
The other possible He got it.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
The other possibility while we waited on was Kayln Carson.
And he got hurt in training camp, right and wasn't
available to start the season, right, All right? Do we
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Speaker 3 (43:37):
You know this is our second to last mixed shots
of this calendar year. And one thing you can say
about us, at least we are consistent because we haven't
paid attention to this rundown all year.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Love, no here what stuff happens. We had an excuse today.
We had an excuse today.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
All fame well and the Hall of fame was that
happened after after we got the running.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
In the digs and digs thing. And I'm not even
the gam with the digs thing. I'm sorry, but you
know even his brother got in trouble today. Yeah, so yeah, man,
it's a lot going on with the digs up. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (44:15):
Yeah, he got charged about December second strangulation.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
Yeah, something else rough out there.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Boy, he's saying he didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Okay, So I just had to.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
I just I couldn't let that go by without Okay.
So hecky accurate. You had all this work in for
our rundown, oh rundown.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
So I want you to.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Pick something, pick something, pick something.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
You know, I really wanted to know from you guys,
who was when you're rebuilding this roster for twenty twenty six? Yeah, cornerback?
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Is this boy?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Question?
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Like this is jeopardy?
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Okay, at least hit the buzzer? All right, who are
some positions that are untouched untouchable quarterback?
Speaker 4 (45:05):
I'm not going to hold him to that they ain't
touched anybody.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, Who's who's untouchable? Who's untouchable? And let's take dak
and quitting with off the table and the Kicker and
the Kicker okay and c D and okay and CD
and and the Tyler Smith.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Quenty Williams okay, Booker putting putting the list together here?
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yes, Booker, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
I'm I want to give you somebody on defense, you know, Well, Williams,
it'll be it's a ROCKU, It'll be Bland is a rock.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Oh So yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
They they I think.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
From whatever what we keep hearing, they would like to
resign Clowney. I would yeah, I like that one and
maybe have him there now. Who knows if he wants
to do the off season and training.
Speaker 5 (46:00):
He gotta do it, man, he gotta do it. I mean,
this guy, he showed me something.
Speaker 6 (46:05):
I forgot how many games he's played, but he's tied
for the team. Who would have had this on their
Bengo card start the season that your two leading guys
with sacks at five and a half each would be
Jadavian Clowney and James Houston.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, not a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
They weren't even on the Was Houston on the team? Well, yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (46:27):
Think he was in training, Yeah, because I remember guys
talking about his ability to have sacks. But it's still
he wasn't good enough to play every down and he
wasn't good against them.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
And the fact that he was even available to be picked.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
Up, right because he had to go through UFL Right,
didn't he playing.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
But he had? He had originally been with the Lions
and half a season with the Lions.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
He's also unbelievable that we're talking team high in sacks
five and a half.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yeah that when you got you look down south to
Houston and you've got Neil Hunter has.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Fourteen team high five and a half.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
I mean, why wow?
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Which, by the way, the Texans charges set expectations and
sacked Herbert five times right before the Cowboys couldn't touch Herbert, And.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I understand that contractually, there are a lot of guys
that are not going to be touched. I'm just talking
about from a foundation standpoint and the way that the
team is woefully underperformed. Why are there certain guys even
still on this list that you would say are untouchable. Yeah,
I heard you say yesterday about trading in draft picks
for maybe going into free free agency to not go
(47:38):
so young, but get guys that approve and commodities to
make this team better that already has a bevy of
young guys on it. So it's just the disappointment of
the season to me is what I've been going to
cry about all through the off season. So whatever we
do in the draft, it has to be look otherwise.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
It's got to be defensive. It's got to be a
defensive side. That's number one. If we're going in the draft,
we gotta go on on the defense. Defensive side, I
think we all agree on that.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
And so on the defensive side, if that first pick
in the draft is going to be which position best.
Speaker 6 (48:14):
Player at cornerback or linebacker or defensive end?
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Linebacker, give me one, Give me one position, Mickey, cornerback.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
To be different, el say pass rusher, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Pass rusher, okay, linebacker, linebacker, but I will we gotta.
Speaker 5 (48:34):
Stop the run.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
Can I get one?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
We gotta stop the run, guys, we gotta stop the runs.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
The number one thing is to get.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
Then, don't say pass rusher, say defensive end.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
That's not.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Number one thing is to get the right kind of guy, yes,
at the at a position of need.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Okay. And so if we're going to say it, because
you have Kenny Clark already, and I think there's been
this philosophy of you're going to have if you signed Clark,
you're gonna have is it three pass rushers making three
guys up front that are making twenty million or more?
Kenny Clark's inner contract under he's under you don't have
to sign him to anything now two years, okay. So
(49:13):
so there is a thought that Kenny Clark has to
be resigned or there's money out.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
Of his nose.
Speaker 6 (49:19):
They're saying that you want to restructure.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Restructure, Okay, So to what you restructure.
Speaker 6 (49:26):
Well, he's as got to agree to it. Okay, you
got to pay him to restructure, Okay.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
So I'm just looking at this team, especially on defense,
especially with all the blame that's been placed on ibra
Flus throughout this season and the guys that he has,
how do you make this defense better? Even if you
go with a different guy. That's where do you Where
do you start with making it better? That's do you start.
Speaker 5 (49:50):
With the coach? That's to me, that's a before we
talk about picking anybody. Do we stick with the coach?
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Well?
Speaker 5 (49:58):
Defensive coordinated?
Speaker 3 (49:59):
It's not just the coach, but the coach has coaches
that he brought with him from Chicago, And it's how
do all of those defensive coaches fit into the plan
that Shottennimor has and.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
With these new players, all of them pretty much still
new and working together. Will that will that team fit
with that defensive coordinator? That's still a question. Do we
still want him? What did Jerry say, we'll see, right,
we got three games to go at that time.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
How there's one game to go.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
You see how interesting that rundown was. I mean, how
you have to do is touch on one of those
subjects and then you know that's just saying no, it's
not thirst. I'm just telling you that that's how good
these rundowns are.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
If we touch on any subject.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Come, I'm just saying, hey, and we didn't talk about
the Giants, but I will say this about them. Go.
If the Giants mess around and get one of these
good coaches that's about to be released, be fired. Hey,
send us out of here.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Bill all right, and we're gonna do it one more
time in twenty twenty five tomorrow at.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
High noon, Go Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
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