Mick Shots: Draft Upon Us

With the NFL Draft just three days away the guys play a game of “would ya” with the Cowboys No. 12 pick, starting with maybe trading down, to taking a running back, a wide receiver, a cornerback, defensive end and linebacker. And have no qualms about taking a mid-round quarterback.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
This is Mick Shot, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com
and the official Dallas Cowboys at.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
T minus three days and counting until day number one
of the National Football League Draft. I saw a football
player or two on a football field here at the
Star in Frisco, and we are raring to go on
this Monday edition of Mix Shots. Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola,

(00:50):
Everson Walls thumbing through the Cowboys Star Magazine draft preview issue.
As he tries to do it, he tries to do
this homework assignment on the fly. He walks into the classroom.
The teacher said never, so did you get your homework done?

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And now he's scrambling trying to remember what the assignment was.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I'm trying to find the DBS first.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Or come on, so it's a week old.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Expect to remember.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
All that I purposely texted after the show last week
and these are your cornerbacks need to look at before
next Monday. And now he's doing his research. So Mickey
how are you doing. I'm good, ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
All right? Thanks pit over there.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I didn't have any homework.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
You could see.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I had to turn the volume down. Bill's really excited.
It's draft right, so he came in loud.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Loud and clear as I'm looking on NFL Network at
the not so frozen tundra of Lembo feet when days
draftway will take place on Thursday through the weekend. You
can enjoy it here at the Star in Frisco as well.
Tom Pelasero is already at lambeau Field.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
You from what I heard around this stadium, it's one
of the more unique football stadiums with the exhibitions and
tell us.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
About it, Mickey, I have never been to lambeau Field.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
They made a kind of a what do.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
They call it an NFL experience. No, they did itself.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
They built around the stadium like.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
A Star in Frisco h Entertainment district. Yeah, there's an
entertainment just office buildings.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
They can they can walk.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
There's like an exhibit where you as you're going to
the stadium, right, there's.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
A and they have a Packers Hall of Fame there
at lambeau And then there's an outdoor. They built an
outdoor facility draft. Yeah, oh okay, so you're saying a
temporary one for the draft, but they have it's called
Title Town. There you go and they build they built
it up.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
That's already there, that's there.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
But they're building the outdoor parts.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
The Title Town thing. I think that got upgraded or something. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
I knew one guy. He's a Packer fan. I don't
know why in the hell he's a pack of fan,
but he was up there and.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I was a Packer fan.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Again, thank you. That doesn't prove the case at all.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Stick it up for your friend.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Well he's uh, but he talked about how they changed
a few things. And you can walk through there on
the way to the stadium. The things that you see
up to it. They've got this, uh tradition. I guess
of how they approached there.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
They're expecting you know, over the course of the three days,
you know, a lot of three hundred thousand people.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
It is amazing.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
It did amazing. I mean you see this as soon
as they well they went on in New York too,
but it was just for years in New York. Once
they got it and moving it around the country isn't
it amazing.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
The great idea.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
The people love events. I mean, they don't care that
that it's a there's no well, I guess there might
be some musical entertainment out in that area whatever, but
there's you're not watching a game, You're not well, you're
watching players being picked on a TV screen and it
becomes a big festive party.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Unless you're lucky enough to get close enough to the
stage and you can see the guys.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Okay, you're still watching players getting picked and walking on stage. Yeah,
I mean, and the entertainment value is through the roof.
That's because people love to party and I read right,
looking for an event and this is going to be a.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Drive destination because they don't have enough hotels for everybody to.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Show up and stay.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
You can stay in Appleton because that's where the cowboys
use to stay until.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
And how far as Appleton from Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
That's about a forty five minute drive something like that.
It's a great little time and I love it.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Standing for Worth and going to a game in Frisco.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
You know, you have you have a like a beach
out there somewhere right in there there's a river a bay.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Ye be Well, let me say this God I was
I was young.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Did you ever play there?

Speaker 4 (05:20):
I played there, but I did an event there and
we had some type of parade. I was one of
the younger guys there and I was there with some
Hall of famous and man, they were just older guys.
They were just having so much fun and they would
just relax. And I recall going to a bay area
around with some water and I remember how clear and

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beautiful that water.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
The water was.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, what was I there? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (05:51):
And I remember I put my feet in the water
and it was really clear. Yeah, it was really clear. Yeah,
you could see your feet and I was like, wow,
what you know? And I remember we had done a parade.
It was some type of parade that we were in,
and you know.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Man, that was You know who's making out like bandits?
Is the people that own houses in that yhood? Yes,
because they're renting them out.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Here because you go through r Yeah, you go through there.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Is called.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
The people going to get let's get to the draft.
Why are we talking about this? And so I'm they're
probably doing what I'm doing. Okay, I'll play along with
this conversation and I'll got my map out and I'm
looked at Okay. I looked at Green Bay. Yeah, it's
right there on some water, and sure enough it's Green Bay.
It's Lake Michigan on the other side of that little

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peninsula there. Okay, we got that settled. Now let's talk draft.
Oshkosh is nearby too. I think we stayed there one year.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
We stayed south because there. I don't know why we
weren't in Appleton, but we kind of stayed off the
off the highway. Okay, so ready, Now have you sold
the big green notebook?

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Speaking of Green the big Green No, No, it's not
for sale. I mean we sell Sale Jones a big
green notebook. It is for sale, Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I know some people put out big money for that book.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
It can be sold. It can be sold.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Except the part that has a seven round draft.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Which featured two trades, two trades and ty wait five
top one picks and two quarterbacks in it. See when
you trade down, then you can make luxury picks. And
I'm concerned about the backup quarterback situation on this team.
I'm also concerned about the developmental quarterback situation.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
We should have spent more time finding a veteran quarterback
that they know.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, there's only one left out there, and that's Carson Wentz.
So now we've got we're going to the draft. No problem.
I got no problem with Carson Wentz. CJ. Bethard would
be another one. You think you can find a rookie quarterback,
there's Desmond More. I think out there.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Find a rookie quarterback in the fourth round that can
win you thirteen games.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
There's not a fourth round pick, mickey, And so we're
going to go either the third.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Or the fifth round. You did that.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
One year maybe if my memory about nine years ago.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I'm concerned about getting a quarterback in here and developed
in time for the next time that a contract comes up.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Oh, I'm worried.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
You worried about week three? Well, it's exactly right. And
in the meantime, if you get a good enough quarterback,
he might be ready. Well no, he might be able
to at least do a little something. But I don't
think we.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Have that right now. All right, that would be a
cost and wins. Yeah. Right, So.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
You've got three legal pads in front of you. Where
would you like to start?

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Where did I?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Oh, I know what I wanted to do? So what
about this?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I know what you your predictions were for draft picks.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
They weren't predictions. Oh it was like my picks. They're
not predictions of what the Cowboys are going to do.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Let's let's do this options. So, first option would be
you're not enthused with what's there at twelve, or there's
so much there at twelve, you could trade back.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
What'd you do it?

Speaker 3 (09:49):
And the reason for trading back, in my opinion, there
you you can go every position on this team, including quarterback,
and there is a need on this team. Okay, they've
done what they've can do as far as free agency,
but when you look not only at twenty twenty five,

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but also twenty twenty six and beyond, when you look
at the number of players or in the last year
of their contracts, whatever, there is a need every position
on the team.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Okay, so you.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Want The reason I bring that up is if you
trade down and pick up, say a third round pick,
then you've got four top one hundred picks instead of three.
Right or in the case of this team, right now,
they've got three top one hundred and forty eight picks
because they don't have a fourth round pick. Their next

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pick after the third round is at one forty nine.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
How far would you feel safe dropping back?

Speaker 3 (10:52):
I think from twelve. I don't think there's a I
don't think unless there's a surprise where there's one of
the top prospects for some reason slives. I don't think
there's a whole lot of difference between the guy you're
gonna get at number twelve and the guy you're gonna
get at number twenty two.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
So that was gonna say twenty.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
I don't want to fall back past nineteen. I don't
want to get to twenty. I would rather go to fifteen.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
So, okay, we're talking this.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
But every every team, would you drop back?

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I would drop back.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
I would simply because we need so many players. We
need a player in every position. Oay, we were looking
for one particular player, then I wouldn't. Okay, okay, let
me wait on that guy.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
He's wait.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
We got an agreement, we know what everybody's gonna do.
Was set for a boom. We did it job. We'
all doing everybody high five.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
All right.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
So having said that, if you got to twelve, is
there a go ahead?

Speaker 3 (11:49):
One other thing?

Speaker 2 (11:50):
All right?

Speaker 3 (11:51):
It's a difference. Okay, you're if you dropped to fifteen.
If you look at the trade valued chart, okay, and
I'm reading off the rich Hill modified trade value chart,
the difference in points from going from twelve to fifteen,
you're basically you're getting a fourth round draft pick back
to move down three spots, that's right. And so if

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you move down to eighteen, I'm looking at the difference
in points here you're looking at to let me see
three forty seven, eighteen's to eighty forty seven and third
sixty you're looking at a third round pickback.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
So if you go to.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Fifteen, it's a fourth round pick. If you go to eighteen,
it's a third round.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
I got to have a third if I moved, So you.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Have to move back to eighteen. Yeah, seventeen eighteen so far.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I've got to do something and give them twenty twenty
six fifth round two.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Now, if you do what the Big Green Notebook did
and move back to twenty or twenty two, you can
get a second round pickch too far. Now, the problem
is you also have to have someone who wants to
move up for something they give up, right and everybody's draft.
That's because of the quarterback situation in this draft. You're
there's probably not going to be teams that are going
to be moving very far.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Okay, so if you if something falls to twelve that
you say, I got to have that.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Guy, who would take him?

Speaker 1 (13:17):
If let's put it this way, if for some reason
and I don't think it's going to happen Ashton.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yes, I run to the podium and write, yes, if
Ashton genty, I don't think genty will get past the
Raiders at six. It's the way it sounds.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
And possibly New Orleans at nine.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Nine. No, they're taking sud at nine, right, that's what
everyone says to Orleans, That's what everyone said, he doesn't
have That's another topic.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
What's happening with what's happening? Okay, So now if you
get to twelve and you're going to stay there and
Genti's not there, would you still take a running back?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I would not. You would not.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
I would not because there's a deep running back class
and you can get a running back in the second
or third d so you would go with a different position.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Okay, what about if you decide not to do that,
would you take a wide receiver there?

Speaker 3 (14:29):
You could take a wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
There, And it seems like the top ones to go
there would be McMillen, Golden, the Buka, and.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Burden and I would probably in that order for a
lot of For the so called experts out there.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Right, they have them, well the big Green Notebook.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
I out of those, I like Abuka m hmm. And
one of the reasons I like Abuka is and that
there's no knock against the other guys. But I love
he is. He might be the safest pick in this
draft in terms of being reliable, and he is a

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culture setter in the locker room. His value goes beyond
what he does on the football field, and that's what
I love about a Mecca Abuka.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Now I saw one thing about him that says he's
a slot receiver is that it I don't see that
he can do both inside. I don't know why he
wouldn't be able to, Okay, I mean he's six one
pounds and McMillan has basically got to be the outside.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
I mean he's playing at Ohio State where they got
all those receivers who can play on the outside. So
somebody's got to play on the slot. So he's been
playing in the slot. That doesn't mean he can't play outside.
He is from a character standpoint, he's Terry McLaurin out
of Ohio State and is obviously doing what he's doing
at Washington. All right, he is a one of the

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safest picks you could have in this draft.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
I think now Golden and Burden can do inside and
outside in my opinion. Okay, McMillan's just outside, right, and
he's he's not a speed guy.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Is he ran a four to four Okay, I mean
that's four four five four eight.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
But he's kind of the bigger type.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yes, he's receiver, yeah, okay, I mean there's there's advantages
to what he can do, and especially on this Cowboys
team that you're lacking in that big wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Right.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Well, they traded for one Jonathan Mingo.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
So he's more of a I've just went right by. Uh,
he's more of a MARII Cooper type receiver.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
He's more of He's he's the comp is Mike Evans. Okay,
I mean the.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
So what you get there has to be able to
kind of compliment what seed.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Which, by the way, I'm glad you mentioned Amari Cooper.
Here's the other thing, the factor in Everson. They're looking
at the wide receivers. Taking a wide receiver in this draft,
there are about four free agent wide receivers out there
who you could sign after the draft if you don't
get the wide receiver that you want during the draft.

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So as you're filling these obvious needs on the team
and replacing Brandon Cooks on the roster, well, there's Tyler
Lockett still out there. There's Amory Cooper still out there.
There's Keenan Allen still out there. There's Tyler Boyd still
out there. So there are there are a handful of
wide receivers who you can take care of that immediate
need and probably that well for sure that wide receiver

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if they still have it, they still have their legs, which,
assuming they do, they're going to give you more this
year than what a rookie wide.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Receiver, it's no doubt about.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
And these are quarterback friendly wide receiver right just called out.
These guys know how to work the slot.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
I think all.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Three we know Amari Cooper, we know what he can
do and how he changes teams from the wide receiver position.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
That's why I think you have to look beyond the
immediate need this year. There are guys out there who
can fill those immediate needs and they're not going to
cost that much, and so you have to look okay,
And that's one of the reasons I like Abuka is
because you're setting this is a guy who's going to
impact things for years here and beyond football.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Well that's true too, But once again, going back to
those veteran receivers, I can't recall any one of those
guys having locker room problems or having issues with their quarterback.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
About it's got to be about me.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yes, I don't recall any of them. If I was
gonna say anybody, maybe Kingdon Allen and that would just
be you know, spitballer. I have no idea what his
relationship is, but it's nothing that has come out that
where you could say it was a detriment to that
team and he was a problem in the locker room
either one of those especially three of those four guys.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
It never is a problem until some of the immediate
ask are you not getting the ball or not?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
And consider Tyler Lockett. He's been with this coach and
had great years with this coach in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
And Amari wasn't a problem here. Okay, So now what
happens if there is one of the top cornerbacks there
at twelfth, would you.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
I think you need a cornerback more than you do
a receiver in regards to getting it in the draft, Okay,
because it getting I don't know what cornerbacks are out
there that can impact the team as well as the
wide receiver there out there, they can impact you.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
The guys that are that are projected as veterans, I
mean the guy, okay, but the guy and Stephan Gilmour
is one of the veterans. It's that out there is
out there there. Tredevius White just got signed by Buffalo.
He was one that was out there. Sante Samuel has
an injury issue that has to be worked out to
see whether he's good to go or not.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
So.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
But there are some cornerbacks out there.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
But I wouldn't say that they're the Calibo. No, No,
they're not. I'm just talking exactly right.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
But when you look at the draft there there are
a couple of cornerbacks who are projected that would be Okay.
Cowboys will get a pat on the back if they
take Will Johnson of Michigan with a twelfth pick or
John A. Barron from Texas any other cornerback, they'll they'll
be ripped for Oh, that's too high to take them.
But Trey him is too high that he's projected in

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the second round. Ye whatever, but that doesn't mean anything.
If you love a player, man, take that dude, take them,
and because you're take you're only taking them too high.
If he wouldn't be there the next time you pick
at number forty, or if he would be there the
next time you pick at forty four in the second round.
Otherwise you're not taking too high. So you'd love to

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trade down and get better value, but sometimes you've got
to have a trading partner. But Maxwell Harriston is more
of a slot, but he can play outside to Kentucky
is another guy that would be a late first second
round guy. But Amos from Ole Miss is another one.
Amos started his career at Louisiana Lafayette played three years.

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There was actually a backup at Alabama for one year
and then his last year started and played well at
Ole Miss. But Alabama he played behind kool Aid, McKinstry,
and Terry and Arnold who were top draft picks.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Okay, so I read this about Will Johnson that there
was some concern about his long term knee long term
long knee injury. Oh, knee currently not a problem, but
there could be something long term.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
What raises the red flag. Now supposedly he didn't run,
but he didn't run at the Combine due to a
hamstring injury and he only played six games last year.
He had a turf toe injury, torn ligament, turf toe injury,
and he and so the problem where he was likely

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in the eyes of the analyst falling is because there's
no time on him because he hasn't run.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Well, can't they watch him play?

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yes, but you watch him play now if there is
a medical issue that would drop him for sure, we're
talking where would Will Johnson from Michigan six two and
ninety four pounds, and he looks the part he is.
He's really good.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
So and I like Baron, I don't. I mean, I
saw him work out and I was sold and I
listened to him talk. Oh yeah, he's got more confidence
than Everson.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
And and so he is from the characters standpoint, and
that he's he's like a Buka in terms of all
that stuff.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
So see, and if for people for us to understand
why we kind of pointed out the cornerback position. I
got concerns that Trayvon Diggs is not going to be
ready to start the season.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
You've got multiple needs at cornerback that you got not
only Jordan Lewis, but also you lost him.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
You got Dran Bland and and don't tell me career.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Is the guy that they traded for. And you got
Kaylin Carson.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Who tell me about Elam? Who is this guy?

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Kyer Elam was a that's what sopposed to be checking.
Kyer Elam is the one they traded for. He's not
in the draft, but he was a first round draft
pick of the Bills in twenty twenty two and basically
got beat out by a sixth round pick, Christian Benford
from that same draft. So he was available here going

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into the last year of his contract, and the Cowboys
traded for him. Last year, he played in thirteen games,
started four for Buffalo, and so he's and in his career,
he's got twelve starts in three seasons with two interceptions.

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Still young.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Just he's young.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
He'll turn twenty four May fifth, so as so he's
the same age as in fact he may be let
me look, he is seven months older than Judd A.
Barron out of Texas. Baron turns twenty four in December
and Kyrie Elam turns twenty four next month.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Because as it stands right now, without knowing about Diggs,
you would have to say, Cayln Carson has to really
step up and get back to playing the way he
did in training camp and early in the season before
he got injured.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
You would think that, even regardless of what happens in
the draft, that they're looking at another corner veteran guy
bring in here after the.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Draft, because my concern about Diggs is I'd like to
see him out here rehabbing. He's doing it on his
own again like he did his ACL.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
That concerns me.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Why wouldn't you do it here?

Speaker 2 (25:50):
So how did he do it with his ACL?

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Well?

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Not as good as I mean, it took him a
while to get going.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Do you think it made a difference he was here
and I'm I'm being Devil's avay, I'm being a jerk here.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I just because Yeah, I don't know what you know.
I wish things.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
I wish they had a better connection, yeah, between the two.
But I got to see what happens with this because
you know, right now, all we've seen is a lot
of negativity when it comes to.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
You know, it's almost like it's almost like, you know,
they do a medical rechecks on draft picks. They go
back to indian Acay, like if there's a question about
a player's injury. When they always have to combine in
late February, they'll do a medical recheck. They fly them
into Indianapolis to do it again a week before the
draft or so it would have happened this past week.

(26:42):
It's almost like you'd like to do it with your
own veteran players. And in some ways it happens when
they show up for the voluntary off season preak. It
can happen that way. But if you don't have them,
if they don't agree to it, whatever, you like a
medical recheck right now, see where Trayvon is in his REHAC.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
You would think the January that they're paying him, you know,
I get that part of it.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
He's also got a workout bonus you can earn if
he's here in the off season.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Okay, well that that hadn't begun yet.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah, well, I would imagine it began last week when
they start.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
It wasted last Monday.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Yeah, but you're you're just you're just talking about appearances
on the field out there, Yeah, doing work, signing in whatever,
documenting it. I'm sure he can get. What are the
maximum amount days that you can have? What's the maximum? Yeah,
I don't know what's because in the Valley Ranch we had,

(27:39):
you know, you had like I think a total of
forty five workouts that you could have had in the
off season or something like that, and I made like twelve.
So just think about that necessarily depending on what you
got going on. It's not necessarily uh you know, warranted
a mandate or whatever.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Is what about financially, what would it be worth you
to make sure you were here working out if it
was today.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Well, then ain't thirty five thousand? I could take that
five thousand. So that's what I was dealing with now.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Right, he was.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, He's like, now we're probably in at least one hundred.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
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on that.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
That's what I'm saying.

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You're ready to go?

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How long do you think it would take us to
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Yes, oh, we would take it to take our time right,
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And everything we can stop, get a drink, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Man, that's how you do it, all right.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
We're talking possibilities in the first raft, right, and we
looked at the wide receiver running cornerbag running bag.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
So one more on the cornerback thing. And I still
think you got to keep it in mind. We talked
about it last week. Uh the cornerback.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Revel.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yes, yeah, that's my guy the.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Second probably second round, and Doctor Cooper did the ACL
so they know all about him and they've done that
before or with guys in the second round.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
And see the thing about any group, whatever group you have,
the why the defensive back that you want. You want
someone that has a mentality. Okay, you got guys. You
know the guy from Michigan, he's you know, Will Johnson's amazing.
He's got the size. I think that was about my
size when I came I'm sure he's got a lot

(32:43):
more muscle than what I had when I came out.
But these guys are all physically imposing and all of that.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
I get that.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
But besides Travis Hunter, you just don't see DB's with
that mentality. Travis Hunter has that mentality because he's a
white receiver.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
As well as a defensive back.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
You know, I was Drew Pearson fans, so I thought
I was a wide receiver growing up. So every time
the ball was in the air, I'm thinking it's.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Mine and that's a Trayvon Diggs mentality. That's what I'm
looking for in these corners.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
That's why I like you, guy, Rebel. That's why I
like him.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
I saw the video, the video that you gotta showed
me last week. There's a mentality that you can see
as they cover. They're not just going for the cover
of the knockdown of the heat and not going just
to strap it down the seatbelt or whatever that crap is.
He's going that he's looking for the ball. The wide

(33:40):
receiver is no consequence to him. That's the mentality that
we have to have here. And on one guy's coming here.
Oh he can cover. He's physical and all that.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Great.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Physicality is one thing, but intelligence and intellect is another thing.
I want you going after the ball when that ball
is in the air for you, because when it is
in the air, it is yours. Is not the knockdown.
You're going for the I don't want to call it an interception.
You're just going for the ball. And that's his mentality.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
And all acls are not equal, right, So the Cowboys
will know everything they needed that scar about his right
because and they've done that before in the second round.
So that's that's a thought at the cornerback position.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
I want to get that in before we Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
So my next position was defensive end at number twelve.
And I think Bill has a favorite.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
I do I have a favorite, and he's from Georgia.
There's two defensive ends from Georgia. Jalen Walker's one of
them who was an off the ball linebacker and so
he projects is either an off ball linebacker or an
edge rusher and kind of in the mold of a
Michael Parsons. And both these guys are really young. I

(34:57):
think Walker will be gone. He's from carol and uh yeah,
he'll go. I mean Carolina picks at number eight and
the Natives are going to be really mad if they
if the Panthers pass on him. But the guy that
I like as well is Mikeel Williams. And when I
look at and he's from Georgia. He'll turn twenty one

(35:19):
in June. He's twenty years old. He is sixty five
two hundred and sixty five pounds with thirty four and
a half inch arms. He play he but he is
a Georgia bull dog. You you the last week of
the week before ever since that what we need in
this draft. We need a dog, right, you.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Know right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
So I went looking for a dog.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Were looking for it.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
And the way that I look at at what the
Cowboys have lost on their defensive line and what they've
added this off season. Okay, think about what they've lost,
a couple of defense of tackles. But on the Chauncey
Golston signs with the Giants, DeMarcus Lawrence signs with the Seahawks.

(36:07):
What they've added are Solomon Thomas is an inside guy
in a rotation defensive tackle, but he can play at
times on the outside in a pass rush situation. We've
got Dante Fowler, who is a he is a speed
rusher and is another one year and he's on a

(36:29):
one year contract, six million dollar deal. Uh, They're getting
Sam Williams back. And Sam so far in his career,
has shown that he is a sub package edge rusher.
We haven't seen him in a position to defend the run.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
And they were hoping last year he was that, but
he never got a chance to show.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
And where I think Michael Williams sets him apart. And
there's a lot of really good defensive ends, edge rushers
that going from the first through the fourth round in
this draft. But where I think Williams sets him apart.
And in mind when you look at his tape that
for much of the year last year he was playing
on a high ankle sprain and he missed several games

(37:08):
because of it. Came back and he couldn't practice during
the week. He would just play, which says a little
bit about us toughness as well. But he defends the
run and he's got the ability to get to the quarterback.
And I think I think when he walks in the
door here, he would be the best run defender of
what they've got on their defensive line. And I think

(37:28):
that they have not replayed. My point is I don't
think they have replaced d Law. And you look back
at last year when Dee Law went down the fourth
game of the year. About that same time, they lost
Parsons for four games. I lost Nielan got hurt during
that time. But you look at and he was already gone.

(37:50):
But the loss of DeMarcus Lawrence was huge for this
team last year. And just think about what he's done
for the last decade. I think this Michael will Williams,
he reminds me of Daneil Hunter who came out ten
years ago. And but he's also got the mentality of
a DeMarcus Lawrence, and I would I would have no

(38:11):
problem at all with the Cowboys picking him at number twelve.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Because the only other thing they did there in the offseason.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Was Peyton Turner, who is unproven even though it's a
former first round draft he hasn't gotten on the field,
but he was like three hundred snaps last year with
the Saints.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
So defensive end at twelve, you would have no product.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yes, right, I think there is still a need there
despite the fact they've tried to fill it as best
they can with some pass rushers with the with Dante
Fowler in free agency.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
See and and and he's probably one of those guys
someone who's going to say, well, they could trade back
a few and still get them.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
I've seen, but don't I've seen some people think of
them as being the second best defensive end of this draft,
like a fifth pick on their board, and others have
him twenty second, So who knows.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
See and like.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
I like him more because I've seen the production on
the field as opposed to the guy from A and M. Right,
Samar Stewart a workout guy.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
And there's here's another difference. Samar Stewart doesn't have the
production on the field, but he was just blew out
the combine right, yes, I mean just his explosion numbers
are just.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Through the roof.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Why didn't he explode? But Michael Williams see see. One
of the reasons the analysts aren't high on Michael Williams
is and they're probably scouts in NFL office. They cannot
stand on the table for Michael Williams because he did
he has at time, there are no measurables for him.
I mean, he did a forty at a Georgia pro day.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Was not just a forty exactly right, exactly.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
And so and one of the reasons as he didn't
was because their season was so long. He played into
mid January, and so he wasn't ready yet.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
So when you talked about defensive ends and linebackers can
be pretty much used the same depending on what side.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
The linebacker's playing. We need a guy.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
If you're talking to replacing DeMarcus Lawrence, then that guy
has to be run smart and passed rush smart.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
He's got to be able to do both.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
He's got to be able to impact that edge so
well and then also make a difference when it comes
to the run.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Then you want to have that.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Same push and explosion coming off the edge, off the
edge and pass. You could also do that with an
inside linebacker as well, if you've got these guys up
up front, if we're showing up enough, there have been
many times when, as with Michael Parsons, a linebacker made
a difference on this defense. If you can get a

(40:57):
linebacker that can be a multi talented linebacker with that mentality,
with that dog that we talked about, if he can
set that edge as well as run pass rush off
the edge, that'd be great as well. But also you
got that inside linebacker, one of those two linebackers being.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Able to control that that part of his field.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
You're talking about somebody that can make a huge difference
the way Michael Pawson's did well.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
And they've got a guy that they traded for in
Kenneth Murray who has those type traits. Now he's played,
you know, mid linebacker in this league, but you look
at his traits. He ran a four or five at
the combine. He's got thirty eight vertical and at six
two and forty one pounds and he had three and

(41:47):
a half sacks in fourteen games last year for Tennessee,
so he was used a little bit getting after the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
I would love to know what ibra Flus's plan is
for Kenneth Murray if he's insider outside and because he's.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Got thinking like Singletary's. You know, see he was Sam Mills.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
With Overshown overshow he had five sacks last year. And
see that's what excites me about Kenneth Murray here is
when Overshown gets back and you pair those guys up,
and because Murray's athleticism is very similar to what overshowns is.
And to your point, there are different ways that you

(42:25):
can affect the quarterback with your linebacker.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
So how do you how do you play the run
at middle linebacker?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
No way back to the poss's deal. Is this what
we're talking about?

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Well, they kind of need a linebacker, and especially with Overshown,
I mean, when's he going to be back? You know,
I can't imagine.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
So I would I would not be getting a player
like that out of the out of the box first round.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
I would not be a post to that.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Well, there's a guy Jihad Campbell from Alabama who is
he was actually recruited and that he's dealing with a shoulder.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Elder surgery but after the combine.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
But he is a guy who was actually recruited to
Alabama to be an edge rusher, but they had edge
rushers on the team. He was going to be backing up,
so they put him my linebacker instead, and he played
so well at linebacker he just kept him a linebacker.
But he's got those same type traits. And Jalen Walker,
the one from Georgia, is in that same boat.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Okay, So the only other option at this point at
linebacker would be Demone Clark right to play in the middle.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Well, and then they got the Amorus Leah foul from
it would be one of third round pick and Jack
Sanborn and then Santa started three games for ibra Flus
in Chicago last year.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Also, let's just remember we gave up a lot of
yards running in passing. But if you're going to pick
something first, you gotta stop the run. Yeah, So that's
why getting one of the bigger guys I would be
I would not be a posted as.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Well, but typically you can get those bigger guys in
later rounds and so in fact, Schottenheimer talked about it
at the owners meeting. Is building a team from the
outside end. And if you look at it, if you
look at the stats the last five years. I just
saw someone posted this this morning. This morning, first round

(44:19):
picks at different positions on defense, and it was defensive
ends and cornerbacks, like in the neighborhood of twenty five
of them for each have been selected in the last
five drafts. In the first round, you go to defensive
tackles and it's like less than ten linebackers and linebacker
is low too, really, and it's because most teams have

(44:42):
that same attitude. It's getting the outside guys. For wide
receivers on offense, there's wide receivers are right up there
with quarterbacks going in the first round. Yeah right, that's
exactly right.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Well, let's look at it this way. They gave up
one hundred and ninety cards rushing to New Orleans.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
What happened in that game? That was a loss.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
They gave up two seventy four to Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
What happened in that game? It was a loss.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
They gave up one eighty four rushing to Detroit two
twenty three to San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
What are we talking about here? Stop me? When they
won one game whether we so, but that.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
They gave up one hundred to Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
That's Thedelphia And we're talking these numbers here.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
From Houston one forty five? Did they win that first
game against Washington?

Speaker 3 (45:44):
So you're telling me, yes, that was the kick return game.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Oh, that's right, one forty five to Washington. Wait, I'm
not done.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Go back to the previous season too.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
They gave one seventy nine about the Philadelphia second game
and one thing.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
So did did no one say, hey, let's didn't no
one start reading off stats like this in front of
his face, like come on, but I'm sorry. So you're
saying you said it, not they said it. You said
they can find some guys that can feel those needs
later down the road.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Is that what you know?

Speaker 3 (46:17):
That's that's what the league says.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Okay, you said that, right, No.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
I said it, But that's because that's what the league
has done. That where linebacker is usually third round is
where the run comes on.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
They're trying like they're trying to they're trying to force
a narrative, Uh that ain't fitting, which.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Not here speak to defensive tackle right.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Trying.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Come on, man, I'm thinking inside outside, they're going outside in.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Well, they're talking about who can affect the game.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
You know what I'm talking about who. It's funny at
the same time that they say you build the team
from the outside end, they also sayamus one in.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Come on, man, I'm not understanding. So I'm reading out
the numbers.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Well, i'll tell you during I have.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Three heart attexts. Oh no, man, you just got the hitache. Man,
Come on, my symptoms are there.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
You're treating my number. But the problem is here, it's
in my chest.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I don't know, man, I got me on.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
That's why that's why Tyron Tyron Smith's retirement ceremony last week,
the guy with the biggest smile.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
On his face was a Jason Garrett because that was
what he wanted to do. That's exactly in the draft,
and that's what they did with his But that's outside
Travis Frederick and then there's yeah and so that does
count as outside. Yeah, tackle is a tackle counts. And
that's why you got Tyler Guyton last year.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Okay, And that's.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Why Mickey says you don't draft a guard in.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
The first round. Don't go out there.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
They're insight.

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I got Michael if yeah, I think he's supposed to
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Speaker 1 (51:48):
And at least I don't know how much he's doing,
but at least he's I've seen him physically here for
he was here for Tyron Smith's retirement.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Celebration.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
DA was feeling pretty pretty emotional for Tim. Yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
And you know this thing about him saying, yeah, I
could play tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Well, they're not going to let.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Him play tomorrow in the first place.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
And the second place is uh.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
While I've seen him do some of the stuff he
does on the Resistance chords, he's also did some of
that without him, right, So he's moving well, he can run, uh,
but I don't think he wants to go through contact tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Hey, before before we moved to how about timon Smith?
What do you think guys think about his retirement? What'd
you think about it?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Oh? I thought that his legacy here we don't really
know much about him.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
My first thought was listening to him to read his
retirement deal that he scripted out, and he cheated us
because he didn't like talking, right.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
And he's so big. We were afraid to go even
though he's a nice guy.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
But oh no, no, no, it's okay, yeah, good with me.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
What if those strong hands, what if he grabbed you
by the neck. He was somewhat profound, right, I didn't
It was out of It was more out of respect.
It was really this. I think for reporters, it was
a respect for Tyran that we didn't bug him because
we knew that he was a quiet guy whatever, and

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he had in the league as a player. He commands
that kind of respect from his peers in the league too.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
You think about this, he should have showed up with
one of those knee braces on his elbow.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
What do you think about his impact on this, on
the league and on the team itself.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (53:53):
I thought it was the beginning of the Cowboys restructuring
their roster because they had suddenly gotten old and expensive
on the offensive line and they started losing guys retiring.
And he was the first piece of the puzzle that

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Jason Garrett was like, we got to have this guy, Hudson,
How we got to have this guy?

Speaker 2 (54:20):
We ran behind him a lot, didn't.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
They did every lot behind him? Right?

Speaker 1 (54:24):
And then you picked up Travis Frederick two years later,
and then Zack Martin and Lael Collins. Also that Laye
showed up.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
He was there. He wants to play, by the way.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, so I hear, Laloe, if you get an offer,
I just put it out there right because he said,
my knee is finally recovered and uh and.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
He looked he looked like he was the Cowboys Charles.
That's right, Iamadnagy the last week, why not him workout?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Huh? Now, I just had to hear.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
You know, we we have some great legacy around here
regards to the offensive lineman. As much as we talked
about Tyron and how imposing he is, we never really
just talk about, you know, how he impacted this team,
the culture of this team, and we start talking about
the culture of this team. That was the beginning, and
that's when we didn't have any great running backs until
Oklahoma came.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Murray marcol Murray came.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
I just remember watching him play in against Seattle Seahawks
when we went up there and dominated those guys, and
that defense was not an easy defense. We smoked them.
Murray was running up and down the field and he
had to have over one hundred and fifty yards that game.
And to watch That's that's when I knew that this

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team had really arrived, because it was a road game
and we're playing against this vaunted defense.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
And what reminded me about his hands?

Speaker 3 (55:54):
So they gave.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Him a commemorative football.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
It was.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
It was a black football. I'm not sure what it
was made of. He had his hand around it, and
I swear to god, his hand took up half the ball, right,
And I'm going I think this happened that someone and
I can't remember it was him or flows Al Adams.
They nicknamed him Hotel California because for defensive guys you

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could check out, you could never leave if he got
his hand like that.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Yeah, and that was him, right.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
And and they did a highlight film before the ceremony started,
and it just reminded you how dominating dominated was just dominating.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
I mean, I told you I went on one of
those cowboys who whatever, we did something and caravan. Yeah,
I don't know what it was, but he his his.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Well in the highlight video, you're and for those not
watching ever since, is punting towards his I said, but.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Five?

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Well, yes, And in the in the tribute video that
they put together, one of the sideline reporters shows the
shot of the brace that was on the elbow and
and it was a and so she says, that's not
an arm brace. That is a leg brace that's on
on his arm, and that's a knee brace elbow last night.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
And I'm glad I have the video of him dancing.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna get a ransom from him
some kind of way.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
By the way, twenty fourteen is a pretty good season
for this team. Game if not for.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
That was the year they went to Seattle.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
They went to Seattle that year. The game you're speaking
of had one hundred and fifteen yards rushing in that game.
If it was thirty to twenty. I remember Terrence Williams
of the catch on the sideline right game was a
signature moment that game. So I called up the game
logs for DeMarco Murray. In the twenty fourteen season, he

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cared and for the entire season. And this goes back
to the offensive line and what Jason Garrett did convincing
Jerry and everybody that we have got to do off
we got to take care of this offensive line. And
you take Tyron Smith and then you take Travis Frederick
and then you take Zach Martin in the first round. Okay.
Murray had three hundred and ninety two rushing attempts that

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season for eighteen hundred and forty five yards, averaged four
point seven yards to carry and one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,
eleven twelve one hundred yard games that season.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
It was so good watching him run. I loved it.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Yeah, flashes of ou and this was post acl surgery.
Yeah right, yeah, because he used to be much faster, right,
It used to be much faster, and then he adapted
and became that uh, methodical runner.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
And you could do that behind an offensive.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Line, I think, and I think that Derrick Henry and
Saquon Barkley did the entire.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Running back field a.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Service to remind him what you can do if you're
running back.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
It's really gating, a pointed out in his Players Tribune
letter to the all NFL gms.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Oh he's And I'll tell you what if you haven't
read it, go to the Player's Tribune and see the
letter that Ashton Gent wrote and sent it to all.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
The gms in the league. It's phenomenal. It's tackle football.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah, yeah, I used the.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Excerpt draft the guy who can't be tackled is basically
what he said.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
This is tackle football and I can't be He said,
see what Barkley did, I can do that, right right.
I used that at the bottom of my column last
on Friday. Yeah, and just remind you, you know how
like ric O'Donnell, he gained more almost sixty percent of
his yards the last seven games, right because they finally said, okay,

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we're sinking our teeth into you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
You're the running back because I had a backup quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Yeah, and he produced, but everybody knew we had a
backup quarterback still finally able to start running.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
So I did I factored what he did those last games.
If he had done that factored over seventeen games, he
would have had a sixteen hundred yard season. He didn't
get the opportunity. So the running back does matter, by
the way, but we know this wine, Yeah, it matters too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
And one of the notes, I'm glad you mentioned that
about Jason and his impact on the drafts then, because
I think you've got a coach here, yes, Brian Schottenheimer,
And I was able to sit down with him last
week and talk about the whole approach to the draft,
going from the combine when they had the entire coaching
staff there and they're studying players and meeting to Pro days,

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Dallas Day, draft meeting rooms and so forth. And this
is what I'd noticed about Schottenheimer the first time I
heard one of his press conferences as the offensive coordinator
during the regular season last year. Where this guy knows
the league. You can tell he knows the players in
the league. You can tell he loves scouting players, and

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he's a grinder. And so what you've had happen over
the course of the last few months is he has
locked arms with Will McLay and Mitchella point and the
entire coach the scouting staff, and he's making sure that
his coaches are letting these scouts know this is what
we look for in a football and Jerry will listen

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to a head coach that he respects, his evaluation ability whatever,
which is what he did with Jason Garrett going back
to when they drafted Tying Smith and Travis Frederick and
Zach Martin. And so I really think Schottenheimer is going
to have a voice in that room. And Schottenheimer is
gonna have a good voice in that room because he's
done the homework. He does all the legwork on it,

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and and and for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
He understands the other thing that Jason Garrett, when we
were talking about Brian Schottenheimer, he goes, well, look, how
look where he's raised. And I forgot about this. He goes,
you remember Marty Ball, Yeah, you know, and his dad
you know it was run the ball, play defense.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Especially elt Et, Tomlins and San Diego.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yeah, and run the ball, play defense and have good
special teams.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
He goes in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
For some reason, they were successful, except for the ultimate
goal was to win.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
And his Jets team that made it to the AFC
Championship game. They led the league in rushing one year
and the Seahawks led the league in rushing one year.
So when he was OC there, yep, all right, so
very good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
We talked about running backs, wide receivers, cornerbacks, defensive ends.
And so I can't wait to see what offensive lineman
the Cowboys pick of the first round, or the defense
on or the tackle. All right, And so we'll be
back to wrap it all up next Monday, eleven am.

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