November 20, 2025 • 51 mins
The guys are putting a premium on running the football against the Eagles on Sunday, pointing out how running back Javonte Williams has more rushing yards and rushing touchdowns than the Eagles Saquan Barkley. Then pointing out how tough the Eagles defense has been on opposing quarterbacks this season.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys, This is Nick Shots, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot
Com and the official Dallas Cowboys apt.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Now Here are Bill Jones, Hecmaharrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Good afternoon, Cowboy Nation, and welcome to the tash Mahall
of Football. We are here in the SWBC Mortgage studios
at the Star in Frisco, home of your Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
You are now rocking with the best.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I'm Heck Maharrison, and across from me is a Super
Bowl champion in Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola. This is
Mick Shots Mix Shots. We're gonna do this like we
always do about this time, fellows. We're gonna start off
by checking your mentals, making sure everybody's good before we
get started with any football talk. Mickey, how are you today, sir?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'm just grateful the Cowboys don't have to play a
team from New York after seeing what happened to the
Stars and the Mavericks the last two nights.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
Man been blown out by New Yorkers. Yeah, yeah, yawn
out by New Yorkers.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
No, no, no, you didn't see the game last night,
did you?
Speaker 7 (01:18):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
I saw man he on.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
The butt on the way by a classic blow by
and you call a fi you robbed him.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Hey, you should have heard me last night.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I was going you have heard me the night before
when the same happened to the Stars tied the game
with point one seconds left and called goalie interference when
he got cross check from behind into the goalie. No
go was they ruled a goal on the ice.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
That was That was extremely the more.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
East coast bias East coast bias jets that they did
trickling down through Yeah, several.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Other Glad they're playing Philly is not quite New York.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
How are you today, sir?
Speaker 6 (02:08):
I am feeling wonderful. Every day for me so far
has been amazing. And I'm not gonna take any of
it for granted.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Hey man, it's raining to day, so it kept you
off the golf course. So if that's when he.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
Got just play golf every day, then you do it.
You are really mistaked.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Look at you.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
I said that your hands automatically locked together and take
lessons and.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Nobody asked.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
But I'm good, bless Everything is great. In my world,
getting the opportunity to sit in the big chair. How
do you feel, man, You never told me howel I'm
gonna break it in. It's already broke because I say it,
and it ain't gonna be the same again.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Comes in.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
He never really says oh, he does subconsciously. Subconsciously, he
won't anything. He just won't say it. He just won't
say it.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
So thank you for finally writing in black ink by
the way, you like that, I do.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
I do. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I thought it was blue and then when I grabbed it.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
You know, when you're writing and read it's it's alarming.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
It's alarming. It triggers, triggers, It shows you there's something important.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
It's mentally triggering. For me.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
It's one of my It's one of my things man,
that I hold on to. And I see people writeing red,
I'm like, why does he keep doing that?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
And they stop doing I'm like, with autograph sessions, you
don't want to write in anything to me, silver, blue
or black.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
You don't want green, you don't want red.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You don't want your teachers correct things and red.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Yes, yes, that's where traumatiz from. I am traumatized.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
That comes from So let's go to the book of
balling man, tell us about what you got from e reflues.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
What's going on? Oh, he kept it close to the vest.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yes he did. He Uh, he said things that we
could have said, right. He said, Uh, quinnin is makes
a huge benefit to everybody, right, and we knew that.
He compared it to when he was in Indianapolis and
they picked up DeForest Buckner and he goes, you know,
(04:09):
that was high quality. But if I remember correctly, that
was before the season started, so you had time to
work him in. But he also said, but when he
he acquired Montez Sweat that that was kind of the
same thing. But he goes, you know, it's really not
that big of am a being able to bring in
(04:34):
a new guy. Uh, he said, keep it simple, let
him play football. Don't overload him, you know, with a
bunch of stuff mental stuff that he's got to think about.
And he said, and you know he he did that,
and he appreciates now having the versatility at the defensive
tackle spot between Quinn William, Kenny Clark Osa o'diggy Zoo
(05:01):
and when Solomon Thomas gets back on the field, you know,
and I was thinking yesterday when it came up when
they were talking to Quinn Williams. I think Nick asked
the question on has he ever faced the tush push
and he said, no, I didn't. He goes, I haven't
(05:21):
faced it. He goes the closest maybe you know Buffalo
uses a lot of quarterback seats.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yes, and he goes.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
But Josh Allen, he said, Josh Allen doesn't need no help.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
You know, with Josh, the running back barely pushes it
from behind.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
They just and he kind of goes sideways and tries
to hit the.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
And so I was thinking, so if you put in
the middle, because they're going to face it, I've never
seen a team with that many third and ones, fourth
and ones, fourth and goal at the one, third and
goal at the one. So they'll face it. It's going
to happen.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
They would sometimes it doesn't have to be one. If
they feel confident enough, it could be like thirty two.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Now this's off top of my head, but Quinn Williams
three to oh three, Kenny Clark three fourteen. You can
also if you need to Perry and Winfrey winfree if
they have him active. He's on the fifty three now
three hundred, and then you come in with big boy
Jade Toya at three forty. So maybe it's too much
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weight to move if you put all four of those
guys out there in the middle.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Well, you know you could you could say that it's
going to play a big role in this game to
where it will be at one point controversial, right because
first of all, a lot of people jumping off sides
for some reason, the refs don't see that.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Ye false starts.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
False starts are obvious, but they don't call it. What
are they looking at?
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I don't know what.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
They're looking at, But it's going to be a problem
in this game for I don't know which side it's
going to be. Because if we're smart enough, I'm sure
I he's gonna alert the referees. Hey, this to his
push thing. You guys need, He'll have examples. I'm sure
you guys need to take care of this. I know
he's going to address that.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You know, every referee when they when the uh when
the coaches playing against Philadelphia. As soon as he walks
over to the referee, the first thing he says, already know,
I already know, I already know about it.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Already and it's it's it's pretty simple. When you see
a helmet.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Go before, it's still off side regardless.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Hell, and they jump it. They jump it to try
to get the head start.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
I haven't said that.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Jalen's no food, he's he's They have made the adjustments, right,
they have made so as much as you're gonna have
to have this up here, you gotta have some smart,
agile people, playmakers in.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
The back, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I know, ebra Fus plays it close to his vests
and he shows very little emotion when he goes to
these press conferences, but somewhere inside, I mean, if if
they just ask him, you know, in the back over there,
how excited he is about having number ninety two in
his defense. Yeah, I'm sure he is jumping for joy,
paying his ties. He's taking a little you know, because
you know what it is coming might be what brother me? Hey,
(08:15):
now you said something, Yes, because Mickey of you, you
can attest to this when you get a player of
that magnitude and you have a new defensive coordinator, Having
a Quinn Williams in that defense really does make his
scheme come together. Before we couldn't even tell what his
scheme was right.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
It's amazing how it trickled back.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
It trickled back to the linebackers tried trickled back to
the dbs all of a sudden, we know how to converge.
All of a sudden, more than one person is getting
to the ball. So it's not trickled down. It's a
trickle trickle back theory.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
But he he pointed out all the good qualities of
Quentin Williams that he fits into an attacking defense which
we like to play.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And then they asked him if they had talked to
him about Quinn Williams before the trade, and he well, yeah,
they talked to you, but then they talked to everybody about,
you know, in the draft and everything. And it's like,
where were you when you found out they trade? Because
I was in my office. I got the call and
probably people down the hallway heard the yell because he
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knew all about him, right, And you know what the
players know too. Players know who's good in this league
and who you know? They know who Quinn Williams is. Nyark, Well, yeah,
take long to find out either right?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Good?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And I think you know there was a I guess
there was a clip online or whatever of him talking
to the guys on the sideline and they're listening. Well,
of course they're listening. They know he's been to the
Pro Bowl the last three years, yes, and they know
how good he is. Yeah, they're gonna listen, right, Uh.
And he's that type of guy I think to kind
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of soft spoken by away for a guy three hundred
and three pounds sixty three. Right. But yeah, the Flups
was talking about how he's kind of dragging everybody along
with him, as we pointed out, and so yeah, it's
a it's a great addition. And now this will be
another test to see, Uh if it was a Raiders
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offensive line missing their two starting guards or and I'm
sure it led to it, or are they onto something
they can both happen because that middle pass rush is
significant now and it's good that it's coming from the
middle because maybe he doesn't escape hurts up the middle, right,
(10:41):
because because I think before you were worried about the
outside and he was gushing them in the middle.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Good quarterbacks like Jalen he's as he backs up, he's
not just looking down the field. He's looking at the
blocking path and up front he's seeing who comes up
wide in this peripheral, he's looking at the defensive end
see if he has an escape route either way. That's
what they do, and so hopefully we cannot only not
create that for him, eliminate that option for him. But
(11:08):
also I'm looking at this linebacker, Wilson. You have linebackers
are extremely physical Ray Lewis type, and you have some
that are extremely smart.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Some are both. I look at Wilson as a guy.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
I didn't see him being extremely physical, but I saw
him every time the ball went away from him or
come at him, he was always in the right place.
I had leverage to where he knew where to go.
He knew how to get off of blocks, he knew
how to beat blocks. His pursuit to the bubble screen
I saw in the game was right there.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
He helped hold up everything.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Didn't make the play, but he allowed someone else to
make the play. So when you have someone with that
type of awareness, then now you're you're one step ahead
of the offense, especially when you're talking about playing a
middle linebacker position and you're going against a quarterback like
Jalen Hurts Blue said.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
He's smart, he picks up fast, and he's able to
make adjustments. And that's what he I think liked the most,
Like when there's something going on and you got to adjust,
He's that guy. The other thing he said, he's a
good zone he's good in zone coverage. And we saw
it on the play in the end zone. Yes, where
he followed it was ours right into the end zone.
(12:22):
He was underneath the way he was supposed to be underneath.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
I was actually wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
It was because he was following somebody.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
He was following Number one.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
If I'm not say, okay, zone has been a cussword
around here, and finally we get a linebacker smart enough
to your credit and what you're talking about on that play,
a guy that does it to the letter. And that's
all you can basically ask. If we hadn't we hadn't
seen that, right, Guys are always looking at each other,
pointing at each other, and then that there's the question
about ebra Flus and his scheme. But you guys know,
(12:50):
coming down to this Philly game on Sunday, it's going
to be the running game. We talked about the first
game of the season and the rain delay. You're not
gonna get a rain delay in this game, all right,
you're not gonna get that to make adjustments in this
game knowing that Saquon Barkley isn't having the year that
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you would have coming off of last season basically, and
you know, you ask anybody you know, who do you
think has more yards Javonte Williams or Saquon Barkley. People
will say most people will say Saquon Barkley. Javonte Williams
has more yards rushing yards. This think it's closed, it's
I think right now. Davante is probably.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Real quick is nine, yes, and he's barkly six six two.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Six sixty two.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
So yeah, not not close a game away basically as
far as production goes. But in a game like this, Everson,
from a defensive standpoint, shutting down the run is imperative
to victory as a defensive line what you've seen, just
to go off of what you saw in Las Vegas,
(14:01):
do you believe based off of how limited the Raiders
were in their offensive line in lists? Before we start
giving the Philadelphia Eagles any excuses, let's just say this
right now. They will be missing They could be missing
Cam Jurgens a center, and for sure they're going to
be missing Lane Johnson who has a list Frank injury.
But stopping the run is imperative.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
It is imperative, but it's hard for me because you're
playing such a complete Team's potentially complete because offensively, I
think they can do whatever they want to do, talking
about the Eagles whenever they want to do it. If
they choose to run the ball, I think they can
control the game by running the ball. If they choose
to pass the ball, then they can do that. If
they want to mix it up, that's fine, and they
can do those things simply because the defense that they have,
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so as far as offincern stopping their running game for
us is imperative on our end. But when you do
that with Philadelphia, you're always going to have to be
ready to get back on the field again. Be ready
to come back on the field because that defense is
not going to be out there long. That's what we're
looking at to me, and I know I'm getting a
(15:06):
little bit off of what you're asking, but I can't
separate one from the other. You're gonna have to your
offense and your defense are gonna have to be complimentary.
That's what Philly is a masters at the complementary ball
that they play.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
From a team standpoint.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
If we stop the run, I feel good about us
because I would rather they try to pass it on us.
I truly still believe that I would rather they try
to pass it on us now as opposed to running
the ball, because I think our secondary is showed up.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Well, this will scare you. Barkley has four rushing touchdowns,
leading the league. Is Jalen Hurts the team? Jalen Hurts
with six six rushing touchdowns. Yes, so that's concerning as
a matter of fact. As a matter of fact, he's
got as many rushing touchdowns. So I just saw this
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as the touchdown receptions combined by DeVante Smith and aj Brown.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
That's why those guys are upset. That's why they.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
That's why they off quarterbacks stealing the show?
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Are you talking about? What is this guy doing? He's
going into the phone booth, putting on the cape. Is
stealing this show himself.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
He wants to do it all him and that touch
push and I'm sure it's taking those guys off.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
And I'll bet that's just the way the coach likes it.
Because you're looking at the Super Bowl MVP, and this
guy has really been one of the more underrated quarterbacks.
Hey give him too much credit, but we gotta be
realistic about how they win games and how they are successful.
It doesn't go through Saquon, It goes through that defense.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
But he is the catalyst offensively.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Well, I mean, he's only averaging sixty six yards a game.
If we do the math. It's easy to do the
math because it's ten and Javonte Williams averaging eighty yards.
So and he's got, by the way, eight touchdowns. That's huge,
right that is, and so that means somewhere they're getting
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short yardage ones. He's done it from distance. But again,
that's to me a reflection of your offensive line. And
so I think that that's you know, that's gonna be
a huge thing in this game, is that Cowboys offensive
line back together. Can can Tyler Geiiton play as well
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as he did against the Raiders two weeks in a row.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Before we get to the defense, because we're going there
in the second segment, I want to stay on Jalen
Hurst for just this quick second and go back to
the end of the game. In the first game of
the season, they spread us out and remember all the
hoopla about that. They spread us out and then he
ends up running it and you know, milking the clock
and the rest is history. I think in this game
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that's one of the things that you have to look
out for. The RPO. You didn't have to worry about
that last week because Gino had he didn't.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Want to run them and their running game is a
chroch it is done right.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
And but this in this game with Saquon Barkley, that
ability to pull the ball at the last minute, and
I think now, and I'm just talking about ebra Flus
in the scheme, having a Quinn Williams, having Osa playing
the way that he's playing, and now your ends are
now able to be more off, be more disciplined on
the outside and play because they don't have to watch
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them the same amount of things go back to when
Michael was here, right, Michael did at times you didn't
have that push and so Micha's trying to be judge
Durian executioner on plays and then he ends up they
just leave him by hisself and he's having to make
a decision right in this as a Roku Jadavian clowney.
Guys like that, Dante Fowler playing discipline against that RPO
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can help this team, especially with a guy like Jalen
Hurst that you know, at some point, even if it's
just sixty six yards a game, it's gonna be at
a pivotal time in the game that you need to
get a stop against.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
I think we're gonna have to bring our safeties down.
It's okay, that's simple. We're gonna have to bring them down.
I think the coaches might feel really good about this
infusion of new players now, especially in the secondary.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Now you're looking at Carson, You're looking at Rebel.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
You know, now you've got healthy safeties possibly coming down.
Not just looking for Saquin, They're also looking for Jalen.
They're gonna have to be looking out for Jalen. And
the good thing about this defense from what we saw
last week and you would expect for it to continue,
is when we play that zone defense, everyone's.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Eyes are looking at the ball.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
We couldn't say that early on this season, but bringing
in these veterans, showing the improvement that on the offensive line,
with just not just Coinning, but with Wilson at linebacker,
I think we will be a smarter secondary because number One,
we got our people that number two. We have two
good people that two excellent people that are coming in
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to help us out.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
I think that fit will help us be a little
bit smarter as a defense.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So here's something I don't think everybody remembers from the
first game. Seems like a year ago, right. Each team
only had eight possessions in that game normals ten to twelve.
The Cowboys started off the game touchdown, touchdown, field goal,
(20:30):
field goal fumble at the Philadelphia eleven yard Mount Sanders.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Right, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I remember that.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
I'm like, I can't believe.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, this guy, they're getting ready to score again. Yeah, okay,
So Philadelphia starts out touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal. They
held them to a field goal in the second half, Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
That post goal post was that post delay? The field
goal with that post delay?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
How did it was? It was the first possession of
the second half.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yeah, no, it was before, it was before.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, and then they punt punt, punt punt, end of game.
So the deal was, you know, when the Cowboys had
the ball, they ended up it was a fei and
out and then they ended up getting to the forty
five and they got stopped on downs. So again, Uh,
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they weren't out of the ball.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Game, Yeah right, No, never, they never were.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Despite the drops, yeah, you know, despite.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
We were still in it.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, a chance to so you know, and whatever the
defense was doing, they did something right. It wasn't like
they got run off the field.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Well now, and let's just be real, Philly was missing
a hell of a player on the defense. Yeah, I
got it, So let's let's understand fault. And it was Yeah,
you can make up for that. But are you talking
about you go do that? I was speaking of, Hey,
look it's raining. It's raining here a Frisco.
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Speaker 10 (25:17):
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Speaker 5 (25:26):
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your one.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
I think he's still hurting. I think he's still hurting.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I do not see whatever the blocking scheme is on
the returns. There's no hole, there's no opening.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Every time he gets the ball, there's somewhat of the
opposite team in his face.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Blunt returns have been neutered, right, they just kick it
high or kick it to the outside. They're not giving
them a chance. But on the kickoff returns, I keep
looking for a crease. I think he is too, Yes
he is. And then he's just saying, okay.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
I'm going in the middle. I'm going in yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I mean, you know he ended up with and I
guess it's because of how many times you get to
do it. He had one hundred and twenty five hundred
and thirty yards in kickoff return.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
And he had the last I believe it was. The
last return was decent.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
And he got out to the outside and he busted it. Yes,
and he got forty to the forty something. So I
don't see anything there. I think from the receiving standpoint,
I think that what the two guys are doing. And
then floor noise noise stepping up. He hasn't got as
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many opportunities, but yeah, I just think they need to
take more advantage of the speed.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
I think he's still having some.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Maybe you can get back from there.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Make if somebody ever asked you a question about me,
you make sure you defend me like you you make
sure you do Hey, I wanted to have a conversation.
I want you to do the same. Make sure you
keep the.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Same when we get those questions out during the Star
Sports to a reception, right and it's like, okay, you
ask it, now, don't the answer George Pickens.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
George Pickens in a big time game like this, this
is this is that part where I really start saying,
especially again say big vangel defense that you know is
going to present some looks. They're gonna try and prevent
everything deep. So I expect for them to set those
safeties out there h far enough that you know, you
(27:54):
don't have a threat from CD or George taking them
taking them yard. But quinck On Mitchell and Dori Jackson,
these guys, this is me on paper, are no match
for George Pickens and CD Lamb.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
They are not.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Okay, we showed first game. We showed that in the
first game. We showed that.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Because they had too many times Dorr Jackson going one
on one with one of those guys, and if it
wasn't for CDs drops, they would have scored thirty some points.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
So you're right, and Pickens had his day.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
But everything I see it's like, whoa this Mitchell guy?
You know he's Everson Walls.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yeah, step up.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
So so I'm curious on how they'll play it. You know,
are you gonna zone it? Are you gonna say, okay,
you take out one of these guys and we'll take
our chance doubling the other guy. I want to see
it because he didn't affec the game the first time.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
Run Here's where the Philly's gonna hang their hat and
it's got to come from not coverage, but from pressure.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Pressure.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Right, That's the only way that they know that they
have a chance. He's still gonna be sitting down on routes.
And as long as I've running game is working and
their play actions working, that's gonna have us in control.
If that doesn't work, then we're just gonna be in
for a ballgame. Because sometimes game plans ain't worth a crowd.
Sometimes against teams like this and in a game like this,
(29:29):
against the opponent like this, sometimes you just gotta say, Okay,
who's gonna end up standing when it's all said and
done right. And we've seen it happen in a lot
of nice games this year. I think the Cowboys are
in for one of those games to where you're gonna
have to show the metal. Forget the game plan. Let
me see what you can do, Carson. Let me see
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what you can do. Wilson, and I'm talking about the linebacker, Wilson.
Let me see what you can do front line. Let
me see what you can do offensive line. Let me
see if you can just keep us alive in this
game to where we can move.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
The ball and take advantage of field position.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
You know, it's like game plans. It's like a boxing match. Yeah,
you got a great game plan going in and then
you get hit in the mouth.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Up from there, you just man up from there if
you can.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
We were talking about Quintin, we were talking about Javonte Williams,
and you were talking about complimentary football just basically how
Philadelphia plays it. Uh, they're itching out those one point wins,
but it's because they're of their commitment to running the
ball and playing good defense. The Cowboys formula is completely
(30:40):
different than Phillis. If the if the running game ain't working,
we're gonna air it out, Okay, But this is a
game that you're going to have to establish the running game.
What is your gut tell you about the success that
you think the Cowboys can have against this defense?
Speaker 5 (30:56):
You have to be you have to remain stubborn. You
have to remain stubborn.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
I remember Tom Landry and I brought it up before
talking about Tony Dorset and his success on how he
runs the ball. The Cowboys small offensive lineman. We make
were like Elijah on we make you go later when
you go with ladder, then Dorset hits the weakness, but
it's not gonna work every time. You have to be patient.
And he talked about it, and soon we're gonna hit
(31:23):
that big one. Now that's because door set. Because they
had door set. Now, if you don't have door set,
you have to be more consistent and persistent in running
the ball. Sometimes it's gonna be it's gonna be thirty three.
They might be shutting down our passing game. You're gonna
have to at one point second and three thirty three.
You gotta run it. You gotta run it. God, you
(31:44):
need to beat your man. We need you to beat
your man on this one. I don't care how good
he is. You gotta stand up and work it. And
that that's gonna be. That's that that game I'm talking
about to where you got to show your guts in
this one.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You gotta. I think they got it un your stand.
I think Schottenheimer does it does in the one running game,
a three yard carry is a good one. That's a
good one, man, Right, come give me three, give me three, right, I'll.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Take three against this team. That is true.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I'll say that three and three, six and four, right,
and you can run for four.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
Because a team like this up front, they can create
the chaos and have it, and that can cause a
lot of bad turnovers, which we have been prone to
do in our past in big games.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
So we have to be careful with that.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
We have shown to be careful with that with a
few exceptions this year. So even though our passing game
can be a have a we can have a lot
of passes in a particular ball game. Uh, there are
times when we need to stop with all the fancy
handoffs from here and all this for just boom, Yeah,
let's go just boom.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Let's go this in the last game.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
And I know a lot of people look at the
Vegas game as a scrimmage, but Javonti Williams had his
highest carries in the Vegas game twenty two carries for
ninety three yards. I for one am voting for him
to got twenty five. I think we twenty five, all right,
(33:19):
But we've seen right when you start to see him
get going, they take him out. Shotty will take him out.
And now that rotation instead of it being blue, it's Davis.
Now have are you Mickey?
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Are you okay with the combination now with Davis and
Williams are what are I guess the question is what
happened to Blue?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And here's here's and here's your answer. Okay, they won't
say it, but I'm sure the fumble that the Cowboys
recovered kind of got their attention. But what it's come
down to is, and Schottenheimer talked about it yesterday. He said,
it's offense and it's special teams. And if you notice,
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Davis ended up being the personal protector in these last
two games, so that's his special team's contribution Blue. From
a special teams, he's the second kickoff return guy. They
don't want him kicking the ball to him they wanted
in Turpensan, he said. So, he said, it's important that
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the second running back has to impact the game in
different ways. And that's why out now, I think he
he might have one more elevation left, or he's close
to having no more elevations. Davis, and I think they
have a spot left on the fifty three, even after
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moving Winfrey up, so they might if that's the way
they want to go. And he's not bad, right, I
think he's he always their decisions on him always surprised
me because in preseason he runs well, and training camp
he runs well, and then he gets cut and ends
up being I guess the numbers thing. Uh, and then
(35:09):
he's on the practice squad and then they think they
need them.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah right.
Speaker 10 (35:17):
A car.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Yeah, I have been setting that dealership a few hours.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So anyway, that's their explanation. I still would love to
see Blue Speed added to this offense.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
You got to have a play for him, might You
can't just but he's got to do other things.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
And the way Shoty was explaining it is, we had
other needs at other positions that we had to elevate,
or we needed more guys because of injury at those positions.
So be interesting to see what decision they make if
they can keep three running and you know the third
(35:55):
running back. Now they use lip key quite a bit
in the Hey boy, I wish Bill was too tight
a right that man he got worked in two big
plays offense.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
You know, I'm not a lipty fan from last year,
last few years, but he looked good.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, and it's good.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
It does he absolutely he did, and being able to
use a variety of players at times like I mean especially,
I mean that was a key play that lift he made.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
You know, I just I might my want for.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Williams because he seems to be one of those guys
that he continues to get stronger as the game goes on.
And I know the mentality in the NFL is completely
changed from like having that bell cow running back. I
just want to see what he does with twenty five
twenty six carries.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
I think if Philly Show's stubborn against our pass I
hope he's smart enough and just not being prideful enough.
Don't throw your pride away. Forget that passing game. Let's
see if we can win another way.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
So Davis, this last game had four carries twenty yards.
Speaker 9 (37:06):
Bad.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
That's bad. He looked good. He looked good doing it. Left.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
He had one for five and I believe it was
on either third or fourth down.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (37:16):
Man.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Now, I think he made two real nice third down plays.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
And he also caught three passes for thirty six.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
One one was I think it's for fifteen yards. Almost
looked like a bubbles.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
It was fifteen yards.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
It was a really nice play. He was leaning forward
with tight Yeah. So if they wouldn't hit them, he
with a kep on going.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I'm okay with Williams getting eighteen to twenty carries A game.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Keep him crush yeah, uh and then you know, and
if the other guy gets a partial series or whatever.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Okay, fine, I'm I'm with heck man. I want to
see him pounded. I want to see him pound.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Well, if you're pounding, you better pound, right, I don't
I don't want you hitting your head against the wall.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Somebody just interfire. Just people just walk in.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
He couldn't wait for the second.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
No, no, he couldn't. But we're gonna do We're gonna
do that.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna take our final break and
uh when we come back. We got to talk to Everson, Walls,
and Mickey about some of their biggest uh moments of
this rivalry. We know it's physical, and Everson even wore
his green shirt in there today to all of it.
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Speaker 7 (41:03):
Final segment here Mixed shots on a Thursday.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
How does your thak feel? It doesn't feel different.
Speaker 7 (41:12):
Well, the headset feels weird.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
No, we don't make head jokes.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Okay, this is well, it's the volume on it.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
I'll tell you what if you make a head joke,
you open everything else after that.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
It's the volume on it.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
The volume of your head. You got you got breaking news.
We want to hear it.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
I got, I got breaking news. Just tape the Brian
shot Nimer's Coaches Show. Mickey will probably be interested in
this more than the other.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Two people in this room because Dicky is very.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Meticulous about what the team does during the day and everything.
What's the weather like out there today?
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Slap it as hell?
Speaker 5 (41:54):
Oh it is.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
And I made a joke to coach, said, well, I
got I got some advice for you. Take it inside
it day. Well, actually, at this moment they are making
the decision on taking it outside. No way they're considering.
And they got equipment.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Well I saw the jugs, machines.
Speaker 7 (42:12):
Its outside, and he's just just making sure everything would
be all right, you know, yeah, but they always prefer outside.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
It got to figure it out on wet turf.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
But that that's what he's figuring out.
Speaker 7 (42:26):
How wet is the turf race?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
It is wet, Well, it's wet, still raining. How much
wet does is it still raining? It's not raining when
you are okay, stop, I.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Don't think it is. It's still wet. No, if it
was still raining then and that's it's in at and
T Stadium.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
My backyards, the litmus tests when the water starts pinding
up back there. It's wet, it's wet, it ain't seeping
the ground.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
That's just kind of different from me. I thought. Since
you're planning indoors.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Basically, unless they're going to open the roof, I'm kind.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Of confused on that.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
They've got good turf out there.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Okay, they do great turf inside.
Speaker 7 (43:08):
Well, maybe maybe he likes the turf outside.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, that indoor turf by the way in Vegas wasn't
all that great.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
It was and that the other thing, it was the
other thing factory in this.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Warm enough Really, what do you mean new turf? I
thought that was real grass.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Oh, that's right.
Speaker 7 (43:27):
What he's trying to you know, the thing is the
you got to make sure that there's no slippage, obviously,
and so that's why. But the I'm no expert, but
it would make it softer, okay, to where it's not
as bad on your knees.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
And John, that's a good point.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
You maybe that would be a reason watching when you
slip on that with.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
Right, And that's that's the whole thing is he's making
sure that there's no possibility of slippage.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
Okay, I can tell them right now.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Just take it inside.
Speaker 7 (44:06):
But the point of it all is is you want
and you want it to be on the best turf
possible for these players, especially when they're playing four games
in eighteen days.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Absolutely, is there something wrong with the forward center turf?
Speaker 5 (44:21):
I mean, I call some games over there at the.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Okay, it's hard, Okay, I mean it's hard.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
I think.
Speaker 7 (44:27):
I think it's the possibility that hey, it may be
easier on their legs being on a softer surface and
the rain softens it up. But you have to make
sure that there's as ever, since says there's no chance
that there could have any slippage.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
Some agriculture. But it's just interesting.
Speaker 11 (44:46):
It's interesting, just pathologist, the things that they think about
and consider throughout the day that none of us even
give any thought to.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
Is that well?
Speaker 4 (45:02):
I was I asked the question going into break about
this rivalry. It has been a long standing rivalry between
the Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles, and some of
your fondest memories of this physical matchup ever since what
has been one of yours?
Speaker 9 (45:20):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (45:21):
I guess it does have something to do with the
physicality that was the the what they call it, the bounty,
bounty boat bounty.
Speaker 5 (45:29):
You can't you can't forget that stuff.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Man.
Speaker 6 (45:32):
To watch two extremely egotistical coaches going at it the
way they did in that game, both of them hated
each other, and for a coach to put a bounty
on a former player, Yeah, that's just the most low
down thing I think I've seen in sports.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
I'm sorry, what do you think about it?
Speaker 5 (45:54):
That was low down? Guys.
Speaker 6 (45:56):
Well, the kicker, he's a kicker just because he played
for you. Oh he played for now, he's take him out.
Take him out.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
And kicker he had the linebacker go get him, Louis.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Boy, Jimmy, good boy, Jimmy getting Oh man, you.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Remember what Jimmy said after that, That's what I was
laughing at.
Speaker 7 (46:15):
Yeah, I would have talked to Buddy, but he put
his big fat reer into the outside.
Speaker 5 (46:22):
That was horrible and hilarious at the same time.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Well, and then chapter two when they returned there to
play the second time and the Cowboys were one in
twelve thirteen whenever, and they got shut out again and
the fans in the stands were throwing snowballs on the field.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
I remember that one wasn't so nice.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
I remember, yeah. And some of them were yellow, and
let your mind want.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
Some of them.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
They were yellow, straight, hard and some had batteries, some
were frozen.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
They did it all.
Speaker 6 (46:58):
So they're trying to tell us, Hey, you guys, you're
on the field.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
On the field.
Speaker 6 (47:03):
You're damn right on the field, because they can't reach
us from no matter where.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
They do it. They couldn't reach us unless we.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Were on the Sidelok, behind the line.
Speaker 6 (47:12):
On the sideline, So you can bussy that's all you want.
I am not backing up.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
I'm going forward.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I was on the sideline. The game was over early,
so I was down there to go in early, and
the snowballs kept coming and one kind of comes sliding
past my feet and I turned around and your rag
arm and the guard goes, hey, don't incite those people already.
It's like, right, I don't need And about that time,
Jimmy the game was over. Jimmy's walking under the tunnel
(47:41):
and they dumped the.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
Beer on it.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
Oh no, that's when they were He got bumped and
I think it was beer. He got bombastard withikes.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Telling you it was yellow.
Speaker 6 (47:53):
Covering with a towel for some reason, and a towel
is not going to stop a barage of hard snowballs
at you. So you know, when you think about Philly,
I'm sorry that is that that whole situation. They can
bring it down to its lowest level.
Speaker 5 (48:10):
At that time.
Speaker 6 (48:10):
It had nothing to do with football, Like how nasty,
can we bet? That's kind of how they approached it
back then, especially with Buddy Ryan at the him.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I've got two one. If you remember in eighty seven,
this will be right up your alley. The strike year,
the three replacement games. The second one they were playing
Philly at Texas Stadium, and Tom it was the I
don't know if it was the first possession, second possession.
(48:42):
He called a wide receiver and around Kelvin Edwards and
he went sixty two yards for a touchdown and just
irritated the hell out of Buddy because if you remember,
Texas was trying to build the team as well as
he could with replacement players, and Philadelphia was like, oh,
just bring some guys in, we'll play right. So the
(49:05):
Cowboys ended up winning that game. They went back and
played them two weeks later. It was the first game
after the strike, was over and they put it on
the Cowboys pretty good. I think they were up like
thirty to twenty and it was the last possession. The
Cowboys went for it on fourth down. They didn't get it,
(49:25):
so they're at about the thirty some yard line in Philadelphia,
gets the ball and Buddy remembered the end a round
and they drove down and it was time to take
a knee, and they took a knee. They took a knee.
And then the next play, Randall Cunningham fate taking a
(49:48):
knee and threw into the end zone and it was
interference and they got the ball back at the one
yard line and there was only like two or three
seconds left. He sent Buyers in to score a touchdown
thirty seven.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
Well, I must admit in that one, the first game.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
You were cheering for the Eagle.
Speaker 5 (50:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (50:12):
The whole team sold me out as far as the
union was right, right, you're right, And when it saw
said done. Because of that, I truly believe that was
the beginning of the end of Tom Landry's coaching career. Well,
no one trusted anyone after that.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, And that stuck out. And then the ninety one
game when they got shut out the season or it
was second game, third game of the year. They got
beat Troy Aikman got sacked eleven times and still ties
for the franchise record. Was a game, and then the
(50:46):
Cowboys went up there needing to win to clinch a playoff.
Berth and Kelvin Martin had the eighty fee our kickoff
putt return for the touchdown to take the lead.
Speaker 5 (50:57):
And that's why we hate the Eagles. Take us out
of your bill.
Speaker 7 (51:01):
All right, and hey, we got a great tour here
to take us out as well. And we will shout
out to you. What are you wearing the Missouri.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
I'm getting the candid start. They need all the help
they can get in and in our way of the
college football playoff on Saturday.
Speaker 7 (51:15):
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Now Here are Bill Jones, Hecmaharrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Good afternoon, Cowboy Nation, and welcome to the tash Mahall
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at the Star in Frisco, home of your Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
You are now rocking with the best.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I'm Heck Maharrison, and across from me is a Super
Bowl champion in Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola. This is
Mick Shots Mix Shots. We're gonna do this like we
always do about this time, fellows. We're gonna start off
by checking your mentals, making sure everybody's good before we
get started with any football talk. Mickey, how are you today, sir?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'm just grateful the Cowboys don't have to play a
team from New York after seeing what happened to the
Stars and the Mavericks the last two nights.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
Man been blown out by New Yorkers. Yeah, yeah, yawn
out by New Yorkers.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
No, no, no, you didn't see the game last night,
did you?
Speaker 7 (01:18):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
I saw man he on.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
The butt on the way by a classic blow by
and you call a fi you robbed him.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Hey, you should have heard me last night.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I was going you have heard me the night before
when the same happened to the Stars tied the game
with point one seconds left and called goalie interference when
he got cross check from behind into the goalie. No
go was they ruled a goal on the ice.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
That was That was extremely the more.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
East coast bias East coast bias jets that they did
trickling down through Yeah, several.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Other Glad they're playing Philly is not quite New York.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
How are you today, sir?
Speaker 6 (02:08):
I am feeling wonderful. Every day for me so far
has been amazing. And I'm not gonna take any of
it for granted.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Hey man, it's raining to day, so it kept you
off the golf course. So if that's when he.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
Got just play golf every day, then you do it.
You are really mistaked.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Look at you.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
I said that your hands automatically locked together and take
lessons and.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Nobody asked.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
But I'm good, bless Everything is great. In my world,
getting the opportunity to sit in the big chair. How
do you feel, man, You never told me howel I'm
gonna break it in. It's already broke because I say it,
and it ain't gonna be the same again.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Comes in.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
He never really says oh, he does subconsciously. Subconsciously, he
won't anything. He just won't say it. He just won't
say it.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
So thank you for finally writing in black ink by
the way, you like that, I do.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
I do. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I thought it was blue and then when I grabbed it.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
You know, when you're writing and read it's it's alarming.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
It's alarming. It triggers, triggers, It shows you there's something important.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
It's mentally triggering. For me.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
It's one of my It's one of my things man,
that I hold on to. And I see people writeing red,
I'm like, why does he keep doing that?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
And they stop doing I'm like, with autograph sessions, you
don't want to write in anything to me, silver, blue
or black.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
You don't want green, you don't want red.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You don't want your teachers correct things and red.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Yes, yes, that's where traumatiz from. I am traumatized.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
That comes from So let's go to the book of
balling man, tell us about what you got from e reflues.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
What's going on? Oh, he kept it close to the vest.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yes he did. He Uh, he said things that we
could have said, right. He said, Uh, quinnin is makes
a huge benefit to everybody, right, and we knew that.
He compared it to when he was in Indianapolis and
they picked up DeForest Buckner and he goes, you know,
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that was high quality. But if I remember correctly, that
was before the season started, so you had time to
work him in. But he also said, but when he
he acquired Montez Sweat that that was kind of the
same thing. But he goes, you know, it's really not
that big of am a being able to bring in
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a new guy. Uh, he said, keep it simple, let
him play football. Don't overload him, you know, with a
bunch of stuff mental stuff that he's got to think about.
And he said, and you know he he did that,
and he appreciates now having the versatility at the defensive
tackle spot between Quinn William, Kenny Clark Osa o'diggy Zoo
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and when Solomon Thomas gets back on the field, you know,
and I was thinking yesterday when it came up when
they were talking to Quinn Williams. I think Nick asked
the question on has he ever faced the tush push
and he said, no, I didn't. He goes, I haven't
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faced it. He goes the closest maybe you know Buffalo
uses a lot of quarterback seats.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yes, and he goes.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
But Josh Allen, he said, Josh Allen doesn't need no help.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
You know, with Josh, the running back barely pushes it
from behind.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
They just and he kind of goes sideways and tries
to hit the.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
And so I was thinking, so if you put in
the middle, because they're going to face it, I've never
seen a team with that many third and ones, fourth
and ones, fourth and goal at the one, third and
goal at the one. So they'll face it. It's going
to happen.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
They would sometimes it doesn't have to be one. If
they feel confident enough, it could be like thirty two.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Now this's off top of my head, but Quinn Williams
three to oh three, Kenny Clark three fourteen. You can
also if you need to Perry and Winfrey winfree if
they have him active. He's on the fifty three now
three hundred, and then you come in with big boy
Jade Toya at three forty. So maybe it's too much
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weight to move if you put all four of those
guys out there in the middle.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Well, you know you could you could say that it's
going to play a big role in this game to
where it will be at one point controversial, right because
first of all, a lot of people jumping off sides
for some reason, the refs don't see that.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Ye false starts.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
False starts are obvious, but they don't call it. What
are they looking at?
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I don't know what.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
They're looking at, But it's going to be a problem
in this game for I don't know which side it's
going to be. Because if we're smart enough, I'm sure
I he's gonna alert the referees. Hey, this to his
push thing. You guys need, He'll have examples. I'm sure
you guys need to take care of this. I know
he's going to address that.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You know, every referee when they when the uh when
the coaches playing against Philadelphia. As soon as he walks
over to the referee, the first thing he says, already know,
I already know, I already know about it.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Already and it's it's it's pretty simple. When you see
a helmet.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Go before, it's still off side regardless.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Hell, and they jump it. They jump it to try
to get the head start.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
I haven't said that.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Jalen's no food, he's he's They have made the adjustments, right,
they have made so as much as you're gonna have
to have this up here, you gotta have some smart,
agile people, playmakers in.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
The back, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I know, ebra Fus plays it close to his vests
and he shows very little emotion when he goes to
these press conferences, but somewhere inside, I mean, if if
they just ask him, you know, in the back over there,
how excited he is about having number ninety two in
his defense. Yeah, I'm sure he is jumping for joy,
paying his ties. He's taking a little you know, because
you know what it is coming might be what brother me? Hey,
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now you said something, Yes, because Mickey of you, you
can attest to this when you get a player of
that magnitude and you have a new defensive coordinator, Having
a Quinn Williams in that defense really does make his
scheme come together. Before we couldn't even tell what his
scheme was right.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
It's amazing how it trickled back.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
It trickled back to the linebackers tried trickled back to
the dbs all of a sudden, we know how to converge.
All of a sudden, more than one person is getting
to the ball. So it's not trickled down. It's a
trickle trickle back theory.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
But he he pointed out all the good qualities of
Quentin Williams that he fits into an attacking defense which
we like to play.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And then they asked him if they had talked to
him about Quinn Williams before the trade, and he well, yeah,
they talked to you, but then they talked to everybody about,
you know, in the draft and everything. And it's like,
where were you when you found out they trade? Because
I was in my office. I got the call and
probably people down the hallway heard the yell because he
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knew all about him, right, And you know what the
players know too. Players know who's good in this league
and who you know? They know who Quinn Williams is. Nyark, Well, yeah,
take long to find out either right?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Good?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And I think you know there was a I guess
there was a clip online or whatever of him talking
to the guys on the sideline and they're listening. Well,
of course they're listening. They know he's been to the
Pro Bowl the last three years, yes, and they know
how good he is. Yeah, they're gonna listen, right, Uh.
And he's that type of guy I think to kind
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of soft spoken by away for a guy three hundred
and three pounds sixty three. Right. But yeah, the Flups
was talking about how he's kind of dragging everybody along
with him, as we pointed out, and so yeah, it's
a it's a great addition. And now this will be
another test to see, Uh if it was a Raiders
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offensive line missing their two starting guards or and I'm
sure it led to it, or are they onto something
they can both happen because that middle pass rush is
significant now and it's good that it's coming from the
middle because maybe he doesn't escape hurts up the middle, right,
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because because I think before you were worried about the
outside and he was gushing them in the middle.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Good quarterbacks like Jalen he's as he backs up, he's
not just looking down the field. He's looking at the
blocking path and up front he's seeing who comes up
wide in this peripheral, he's looking at the defensive end
see if he has an escape route either way. That's
what they do, and so hopefully we cannot only not
create that for him, eliminate that option for him. But
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also I'm looking at this linebacker, Wilson. You have linebackers
are extremely physical Ray Lewis type, and you have some
that are extremely smart.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Some are both. I look at Wilson as a guy.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
I didn't see him being extremely physical, but I saw
him every time the ball went away from him or
come at him, he was always in the right place.
I had leverage to where he knew where to go.
He knew how to get off of blocks, he knew
how to beat blocks. His pursuit to the bubble screen
I saw in the game was right there.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
He helped hold up everything.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Didn't make the play, but he allowed someone else to
make the play. So when you have someone with that
type of awareness, then now you're you're one step ahead
of the offense, especially when you're talking about playing a
middle linebacker position and you're going against a quarterback like
Jalen Hurts Blue said.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
He's smart, he picks up fast, and he's able to
make adjustments. And that's what he I think liked the most,
Like when there's something going on and you got to adjust,
He's that guy. The other thing he said, he's a
good zone he's good in zone coverage. And we saw
it on the play in the end zone. Yes, where
he followed it was ours right into the end zone.
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He was underneath the way he was supposed to be underneath.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
I was actually wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
It was because he was following somebody.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
He was following Number one.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
If I'm not say, okay, zone has been a cussword
around here, and finally we get a linebacker smart enough
to your credit and what you're talking about on that play,
a guy that does it to the letter. And that's
all you can basically ask. If we hadn't we hadn't
seen that, right, Guys are always looking at each other,
pointing at each other, and then that there's the question
about ebra Flus and his scheme. But you guys know,
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coming down to this Philly game on Sunday, it's going
to be the running game. We talked about the first
game of the season and the rain delay. You're not
gonna get a rain delay in this game, all right,
you're not gonna get that to make adjustments in this
game knowing that Saquon Barkley isn't having the year that
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you would have coming off of last season basically, and
you know, you ask anybody you know, who do you
think has more yards Javonte Williams or Saquon Barkley. People
will say most people will say Saquon Barkley. Javonte Williams
has more yards rushing yards. This think it's closed, it's
I think right now. Davante is probably.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Real quick is nine, yes, and he's barkly six six two.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Six sixty two.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
So yeah, not not close a game away basically as
far as production goes. But in a game like this, Everson,
from a defensive standpoint, shutting down the run is imperative
to victory as a defensive line what you've seen, just
to go off of what you saw in Las Vegas,
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do you believe based off of how limited the Raiders
were in their offensive line in lists? Before we start
giving the Philadelphia Eagles any excuses, let's just say this
right now. They will be missing They could be missing
Cam Jurgens a center, and for sure they're going to
be missing Lane Johnson who has a list Frank injury.
But stopping the run is imperative.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
It is imperative, but it's hard for me because you're
playing such a complete Team's potentially complete because offensively, I
think they can do whatever they want to do, talking
about the Eagles whenever they want to do it. If
they choose to run the ball, I think they can
control the game by running the ball. If they choose
to pass the ball, then they can do that. If
they want to mix it up, that's fine, and they
can do those things simply because the defense that they have,
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so as far as offincern stopping their running game for
us is imperative on our end. But when you do
that with Philadelphia, you're always going to have to be
ready to get back on the field again. Be ready
to come back on the field because that defense is
not going to be out there long. That's what we're
looking at to me, and I know I'm getting a
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little bit off of what you're asking, but I can't
separate one from the other. You're gonna have to your
offense and your defense are gonna have to be complimentary.
That's what Philly is a masters at the complementary ball
that they play.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
From a team standpoint.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
If we stop the run, I feel good about us
because I would rather they try to pass it on us.
I truly still believe that I would rather they try
to pass it on us now as opposed to running
the ball, because I think our secondary is showed up.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Well, this will scare you. Barkley has four rushing touchdowns,
leading the league. Is Jalen Hurts the team? Jalen Hurts
with six six rushing touchdowns. Yes, so that's concerning as
a matter of fact. As a matter of fact, he's
got as many rushing touchdowns. So I just saw this
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as the touchdown receptions combined by DeVante Smith and aj Brown.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
That's why those guys are upset. That's why they.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
That's why they off quarterbacks stealing the show?
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Are you talking about? What is this guy doing? He's
going into the phone booth, putting on the cape. Is
stealing this show himself.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
He wants to do it all him and that touch
push and I'm sure it's taking those guys off.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
And I'll bet that's just the way the coach likes it.
Because you're looking at the Super Bowl MVP, and this
guy has really been one of the more underrated quarterbacks.
Hey give him too much credit, but we gotta be
realistic about how they win games and how they are successful.
It doesn't go through Saquon, It goes through that defense.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
But he is the catalyst offensively.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Well, I mean, he's only averaging sixty six yards a game.
If we do the math. It's easy to do the
math because it's ten and Javonte Williams averaging eighty yards.
So and he's got, by the way, eight touchdowns. That's huge,
right that is, and so that means somewhere they're getting
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short yardage ones. He's done it from distance. But again,
that's to me a reflection of your offensive line. And
so I think that that's you know, that's gonna be
a huge thing in this game, is that Cowboys offensive
line back together. Can can Tyler Geiiton play as well
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as he did against the Raiders two weeks in a row.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Before we get to the defense, because we're going there
in the second segment, I want to stay on Jalen
Hurst for just this quick second and go back to
the end of the game. In the first game of
the season, they spread us out and remember all the
hoopla about that. They spread us out and then he
ends up running it and you know, milking the clock
and the rest is history. I think in this game
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that's one of the things that you have to look
out for. The RPO. You didn't have to worry about
that last week because Gino had he didn't.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Want to run them and their running game is a
chroch it is done right.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
And but this in this game with Saquon Barkley, that
ability to pull the ball at the last minute, and
I think now, and I'm just talking about ebra Flus
in the scheme, having a Quinn Williams, having Osa playing
the way that he's playing, and now your ends are
now able to be more off, be more disciplined on
the outside and play because they don't have to watch
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them the same amount of things go back to when
Michael was here, right, Michael did at times you didn't
have that push and so Micha's trying to be judge
Durian executioner on plays and then he ends up they
just leave him by hisself and he's having to make
a decision right in this as a Roku Jadavian clowney.
Guys like that, Dante Fowler playing discipline against that RPO
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can help this team, especially with a guy like Jalen
Hurst that you know, at some point, even if it's
just sixty six yards a game, it's gonna be at
a pivotal time in the game that you need to
get a stop against.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
I think we're gonna have to bring our safeties down.
It's okay, that's simple. We're gonna have to bring them down.
I think the coaches might feel really good about this
infusion of new players now, especially in the secondary.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Now you're looking at Carson, You're looking at Rebel.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
You know, now you've got healthy safeties possibly coming down.
Not just looking for Saquin, They're also looking for Jalen.
They're gonna have to be looking out for Jalen. And
the good thing about this defense from what we saw
last week and you would expect for it to continue,
is when we play that zone defense, everyone's.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Eyes are looking at the ball.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
We couldn't say that early on this season, but bringing
in these veterans, showing the improvement that on the offensive line,
with just not just Coinning, but with Wilson at linebacker,
I think we will be a smarter secondary because number One,
we got our people that number two. We have two
good people that two excellent people that are coming in
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to help us out.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
I think that fit will help us be a little
bit smarter as a defense.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So here's something I don't think everybody remembers from the
first game. Seems like a year ago, right. Each team
only had eight possessions in that game normals ten to twelve.
The Cowboys started off the game touchdown, touchdown, field goal,
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field goal fumble at the Philadelphia eleven yard Mount Sanders.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Right, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I remember that.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
I'm like, I can't believe.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, this guy, they're getting ready to score again. Yeah, okay,
So Philadelphia starts out touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal. They
held them to a field goal in the second half, Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
That post goal post was that post delay? The field
goal with that post delay?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
How did it was? It was the first possession of
the second half.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yeah, no, it was before, it was before.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, and then they punt punt, punt punt, end of game.
So the deal was, you know, when the Cowboys had
the ball, they ended up it was a fei and
out and then they ended up getting to the forty
five and they got stopped on downs. So again, Uh,
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they weren't out of the ball.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Game, Yeah right, No, never, they never were.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Despite the drops, yeah, you know, despite.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
We were still in it.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, a chance to so you know, and whatever the
defense was doing, they did something right. It wasn't like
they got run off the field.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Well now, and let's just be real, Philly was missing
a hell of a player on the defense. Yeah, I
got it, So let's let's understand fault. And it was Yeah,
you can make up for that. But are you talking
about you go do that? I was speaking of, Hey,
look it's raining. It's raining here a Frisco.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
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We are here at the Star in Frisco. This is
Mixed Shots. I'm ch Maherrison, He's Everson Walls, and that's
Mickey Spagnola. Mickey, I got a question for you about
our boy, Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You want to see more from him?
Speaker 10 (25:17):
Is he?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
This is Chris being brought this up, so I don't
I won't take credit for this. Chris brought this to
my attention and we had a conversation about it.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
He is either boom or bust right now.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
When you need him to make a catch, he may
drop it when he has an opportunity to make a
playoff special opportunity.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
I know it's behind him. You know that past he has.
He should have caught that. You know, come on, Mickey,
come on, clean it up. I mean, I know he's
your one.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
I think he's still hurting. I think he's still hurting.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I do not see whatever the blocking scheme is on
the returns. There's no hole, there's no opening.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Every time he gets the ball, there's somewhat of the
opposite team in his face.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Blunt returns have been neutered, right, they just kick it
high or kick it to the outside. They're not giving
them a chance. But on the kickoff returns, I keep
looking for a crease. I think he is too, Yes
he is. And then he's just saying, okay.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
I'm going in the middle. I'm going in yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I mean, you know he ended up with and I
guess it's because of how many times you get to
do it. He had one hundred and twenty five hundred
and thirty yards in kickoff return.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
And he had the last I believe it was. The
last return was decent.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
And he got out to the outside and he busted it. Yes,
and he got forty to the forty something. So I
don't see anything there. I think from the receiving standpoint,
I think that what the two guys are doing. And
then floor noise noise stepping up. He hasn't got as
(26:55):
many opportunities, but yeah, I just think they need to
take more advantage of the speed.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
I think he's still having some.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Maybe you can get back from there.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Make if somebody ever asked you a question about me,
you make sure you defend me like you you make
sure you do Hey, I wanted to have a conversation.
I want you to do the same. Make sure you
keep the.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Same when we get those questions out during the Star
Sports to a reception, right and it's like, okay, you
ask it, now, don't the answer George Pickens.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
George Pickens in a big time game like this, this
is this is that part where I really start saying,
especially again say big vangel defense that you know is
going to present some looks. They're gonna try and prevent
everything deep. So I expect for them to set those
safeties out there h far enough that you know, you
(27:54):
don't have a threat from CD or George taking them
taking them yard. But quinck On Mitchell and Dori Jackson,
these guys, this is me on paper, are no match
for George Pickens and CD Lamb.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
They are not.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
Okay, we showed first game. We showed that in the
first game. We showed that.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Because they had too many times Dorr Jackson going one
on one with one of those guys, and if it
wasn't for CDs drops, they would have scored thirty some points.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
So you're right, and Pickens had his day.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
But everything I see it's like, whoa this Mitchell guy?
You know he's Everson Walls.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yeah, step up.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
So so I'm curious on how they'll play it. You know,
are you gonna zone it? Are you gonna say, okay,
you take out one of these guys and we'll take
our chance doubling the other guy. I want to see
it because he didn't affec the game the first time.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
Run Here's where the Philly's gonna hang their hat and
it's got to come from not coverage, but from pressure.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Pressure.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Right, That's the only way that they know that they
have a chance. He's still gonna be sitting down on routes.
And as long as I've running game is working and
their play actions working, that's gonna have us in control.
If that doesn't work, then we're just gonna be in
for a ballgame. Because sometimes game plans ain't worth a crowd.
Sometimes against teams like this and in a game like this,
(29:29):
against the opponent like this, sometimes you just gotta say, Okay,
who's gonna end up standing when it's all said and
done right. And we've seen it happen in a lot
of nice games this year. I think the Cowboys are
in for one of those games to where you're gonna
have to show the metal. Forget the game plan. Let
me see what you can do, Carson. Let me see
(29:50):
what you can do. Wilson, and I'm talking about the linebacker, Wilson.
Let me see what you can do front line. Let
me see what you can do offensive line. Let me
see if you can just keep us alive in this
game to where we can move.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
The ball and take advantage of field position.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
You know, it's like game plans. It's like a boxing match. Yeah,
you got a great game plan going in and then
you get hit in the mouth.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Up from there, you just man up from there if
you can.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
We were talking about Quintin, we were talking about Javonte Williams,
and you were talking about complimentary football just basically how
Philadelphia plays it. Uh, they're itching out those one point wins,
but it's because they're of their commitment to running the
ball and playing good defense. The Cowboys formula is completely
(30:40):
different than Phillis. If the if the running game ain't working,
we're gonna air it out, Okay, But this is a
game that you're going to have to establish the running game.
What is your gut tell you about the success that
you think the Cowboys can have against this defense?
Speaker 5 (30:56):
You have to be you have to remain stubborn. You
have to remain stubborn.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
I remember Tom Landry and I brought it up before
talking about Tony Dorset and his success on how he
runs the ball. The Cowboys small offensive lineman. We make
were like Elijah on we make you go later when
you go with ladder, then Dorset hits the weakness, but
it's not gonna work every time. You have to be patient.
And he talked about it, and soon we're gonna hit
(31:23):
that big one. Now that's because door set. Because they
had door set. Now, if you don't have door set,
you have to be more consistent and persistent in running
the ball. Sometimes it's gonna be it's gonna be thirty three.
They might be shutting down our passing game. You're gonna
have to at one point second and three thirty three.
You gotta run it. You gotta run it. God, you
(31:44):
need to beat your man. We need you to beat
your man on this one. I don't care how good
he is. You gotta stand up and work it. And
that that's gonna be. That's that that game I'm talking
about to where you got to show your guts in
this one.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You gotta. I think they got it un your stand.
I think Schottenheimer does it does in the one running game,
a three yard carry is a good one. That's a
good one, man, Right, come give me three, give me three, right, I'll.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Take three against this team. That is true.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I'll say that three and three, six and four, right,
and you can run for four.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
Because a team like this up front, they can create
the chaos and have it, and that can cause a
lot of bad turnovers, which we have been prone to
do in our past in big games.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
So we have to be careful with that.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
We have shown to be careful with that with a
few exceptions this year. So even though our passing game
can be a have a we can have a lot
of passes in a particular ball game. Uh, there are
times when we need to stop with all the fancy
handoffs from here and all this for just boom, Yeah,
let's go just boom.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Let's go this in the last game.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
And I know a lot of people look at the
Vegas game as a scrimmage, but Javonti Williams had his
highest carries in the Vegas game twenty two carries for
ninety three yards. I for one am voting for him
to got twenty five. I think we twenty five, all right,
(33:19):
But we've seen right when you start to see him
get going, they take him out. Shotty will take him out.
And now that rotation instead of it being blue, it's Davis.
Now have are you Mickey?
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Are you okay with the combination now with Davis and
Williams are what are I guess the question is what
happened to Blue?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And here's here's and here's your answer. Okay, they won't
say it, but I'm sure the fumble that the Cowboys
recovered kind of got their attention. But what it's come
down to is, and Schottenheimer talked about it yesterday. He said,
it's offense and it's special teams. And if you notice,
(34:06):
Davis ended up being the personal protector in these last
two games, so that's his special team's contribution Blue. From
a special teams, he's the second kickoff return guy. They
don't want him kicking the ball to him they wanted
in Turpensan, he said. So, he said, it's important that
(34:28):
the second running back has to impact the game in
different ways. And that's why out now, I think he
he might have one more elevation left, or he's close
to having no more elevations. Davis, and I think they
have a spot left on the fifty three, even after
(34:48):
moving Winfrey up, so they might if that's the way
they want to go. And he's not bad, right, I
think he's he always their decisions on him always surprised
me because in preseason he runs well, and training camp
he runs well, and then he gets cut and ends
up being I guess the numbers thing. Uh, and then
(35:09):
he's on the practice squad and then they think they
need them.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah right.
Speaker 10 (35:17):
A car.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Yeah, I have been setting that dealership a few hours.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So anyway, that's their explanation. I still would love to
see Blue Speed added to this offense.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
You got to have a play for him, might You
can't just but he's got to do other things.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
And the way Shoty was explaining it is, we had
other needs at other positions that we had to elevate,
or we needed more guys because of injury at those positions.
So be interesting to see what decision they make if
they can keep three running and you know the third
(35:55):
running back. Now they use lip key quite a bit
in the Hey boy, I wish Bill was too tight
a right that man he got worked in two big
plays offense.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
You know, I'm not a lipty fan from last year,
last few years, but he looked good.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, and it's good.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
It does he absolutely he did, and being able to
use a variety of players at times like I mean especially,
I mean that was a key play that lift he made.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
You know, I just I might my want for.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Williams because he seems to be one of those guys
that he continues to get stronger as the game goes on.
And I know the mentality in the NFL is completely
changed from like having that bell cow running back. I
just want to see what he does with twenty five
twenty six carries.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
I think if Philly Show's stubborn against our pass I
hope he's smart enough and just not being prideful enough.
Don't throw your pride away. Forget that passing game. Let's
see if we can win another way.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
So Davis, this last game had four carries twenty yards.
Speaker 9 (37:06):
Bad.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
That's bad. He looked good. He looked good doing it. Left.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
He had one for five and I believe it was
on either third or fourth down.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (37:16):
Man.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Now, I think he made two real nice third down plays.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
And he also caught three passes for thirty six.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
One one was I think it's for fifteen yards. Almost
looked like a bubbles.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
It was fifteen yards.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
It was a really nice play. He was leaning forward
with tight Yeah. So if they wouldn't hit them, he
with a kep on going.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I'm okay with Williams getting eighteen to twenty carries A game.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Keep him crush yeah, uh and then you know, and
if the other guy gets a partial series or whatever.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Okay, fine, I'm I'm with heck man. I want to
see him pounded. I want to see him pound.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Well, if you're pounding, you better pound, right, I don't
I don't want you hitting your head against the wall.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Somebody just interfire. Just people just walk in.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
He couldn't wait for the second.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
No, no, he couldn't. But we're gonna do We're gonna
do that.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna take our final break and
uh when we come back. We got to talk to Everson, Walls,
and Mickey about some of their biggest uh moments of
this rivalry. We know it's physical, and Everson even wore
his green shirt in there today to all of it.
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Speaker 7 (41:03):
Final segment here Mixed shots on a Thursday.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
How does your thak feel? It doesn't feel different.
Speaker 7 (41:12):
Well, the headset feels weird.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
No, we don't make head jokes.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Okay, this is well, it's the volume on it.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
I'll tell you what if you make a head joke,
you open everything else after that.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
It's the volume on it.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
The volume of your head. You got you got breaking news.
We want to hear it.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
I got, I got breaking news. Just tape the Brian
shot Nimer's Coaches Show. Mickey will probably be interested in
this more than the other.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Two people in this room because Dicky is very.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Meticulous about what the team does during the day and everything.
What's the weather like out there today?
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Slap it as hell?
Speaker 5 (41:54):
Oh it is.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
And I made a joke to coach, said, well, I
got I got some advice for you. Take it inside
it day. Well, actually, at this moment they are making
the decision on taking it outside. No way they're considering.
And they got equipment.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Well I saw the jugs, machines.
Speaker 7 (42:12):
Its outside, and he's just just making sure everything would
be all right, you know, yeah, but they always prefer outside.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
It got to figure it out on wet turf.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
But that that's what he's figuring out.
Speaker 7 (42:26):
How wet is the turf race?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
It is wet, Well, it's wet, still raining. How much
wet does is it still raining? It's not raining when
you are okay, stop, I.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Don't think it is. It's still wet. No, if it
was still raining then and that's it's in at and
T Stadium.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
My backyards, the litmus tests when the water starts pinding
up back there. It's wet, it's wet, it ain't seeping
the ground.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
That's just kind of different from me. I thought. Since
you're planning indoors.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Basically, unless they're going to open the roof, I'm kind.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Of confused on that.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
They've got good turf out there.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Okay, they do great turf inside.
Speaker 7 (43:08):
Well, maybe maybe he likes the turf outside.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, that indoor turf by the way in Vegas wasn't
all that great.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
It was and that the other thing, it was the
other thing factory in this.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Warm enough Really, what do you mean new turf? I
thought that was real grass.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Oh, that's right.
Speaker 7 (43:27):
What he's trying to you know, the thing is the
you got to make sure that there's no slippage, obviously,
and so that's why. But the I'm no expert, but
it would make it softer, okay, to where it's not
as bad on your knees.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
And John, that's a good point.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
You maybe that would be a reason watching when you
slip on that with.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
Right, And that's that's the whole thing is he's making
sure that there's no possibility of slippage.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
Okay, I can tell them right now.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Just take it inside.
Speaker 7 (44:06):
But the point of it all is is you want
and you want it to be on the best turf
possible for these players, especially when they're playing four games
in eighteen days.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Absolutely, is there something wrong with the forward center turf?
Speaker 5 (44:21):
I mean, I call some games over there at the.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Okay, it's hard, Okay, I mean it's hard.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
I think.
Speaker 7 (44:27):
I think it's the possibility that hey, it may be
easier on their legs being on a softer surface and
the rain softens it up. But you have to make
sure that there's as ever, since says there's no chance
that there could have any slippage.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
Some agriculture. But it's just interesting.
Speaker 11 (44:46):
It's interesting, just pathologist, the things that they think about
and consider throughout the day that none of us even
give any thought to.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
Is that well?
Speaker 4 (45:02):
I was I asked the question going into break about
this rivalry. It has been a long standing rivalry between
the Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles, and some of
your fondest memories of this physical matchup ever since what
has been one of yours?
Speaker 9 (45:20):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (45:21):
I guess it does have something to do with the
physicality that was the the what they call it, the bounty,
bounty boat bounty.
Speaker 5 (45:29):
You can't you can't forget that stuff.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Man.
Speaker 6 (45:32):
To watch two extremely egotistical coaches going at it the
way they did in that game, both of them hated
each other, and for a coach to put a bounty
on a former player, Yeah, that's just the most low
down thing I think I've seen in sports.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
I'm sorry, what do you think about it?
Speaker 5 (45:54):
That was low down? Guys.
Speaker 6 (45:56):
Well, the kicker, he's a kicker just because he played
for you. Oh he played for now, he's take him out.
Take him out.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
And kicker he had the linebacker go get him, Louis.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Boy, Jimmy, good boy, Jimmy getting Oh man, you.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Remember what Jimmy said after that, That's what I was
laughing at.
Speaker 7 (46:15):
Yeah, I would have talked to Buddy, but he put
his big fat reer into the outside.
Speaker 5 (46:22):
That was horrible and hilarious at the same time.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Well, and then chapter two when they returned there to
play the second time and the Cowboys were one in
twelve thirteen whenever, and they got shut out again and
the fans in the stands were throwing snowballs on the field.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
I remember that one wasn't so nice.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
I remember, yeah. And some of them were yellow, and
let your mind want.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
Some of them.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
They were yellow, straight, hard and some had batteries, some
were frozen.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
They did it all.
Speaker 6 (46:58):
So they're trying to tell us, Hey, you guys, you're
on the field.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
On the field.
Speaker 6 (47:03):
You're damn right on the field, because they can't reach
us from no matter where.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
They do it. They couldn't reach us unless we.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Were on the Sidelok, behind the line.
Speaker 6 (47:12):
On the sideline, So you can bussy that's all you want.
I am not backing up.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
I'm going forward.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I was on the sideline. The game was over early,
so I was down there to go in early, and
the snowballs kept coming and one kind of comes sliding
past my feet and I turned around and your rag
arm and the guard goes, hey, don't incite those people already.
It's like, right, I don't need And about that time,
Jimmy the game was over. Jimmy's walking under the tunnel
(47:41):
and they dumped the.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
Beer on it.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
Oh no, that's when they were He got bumped and
I think it was beer. He got bombastard withikes.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Telling you it was yellow.
Speaker 6 (47:53):
Covering with a towel for some reason, and a towel
is not going to stop a barage of hard snowballs
at you. So you know, when you think about Philly,
I'm sorry that is that that whole situation. They can
bring it down to its lowest level.
Speaker 5 (48:10):
At that time.
Speaker 6 (48:10):
It had nothing to do with football, Like how nasty,
can we bet? That's kind of how they approached it
back then, especially with Buddy Ryan at the him.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I've got two one. If you remember in eighty seven,
this will be right up your alley. The strike year,
the three replacement games. The second one they were playing
Philly at Texas Stadium, and Tom it was the I
don't know if it was the first possession, second possession.
(48:42):
He called a wide receiver and around Kelvin Edwards and
he went sixty two yards for a touchdown and just
irritated the hell out of Buddy because if you remember,
Texas was trying to build the team as well as
he could with replacement players, and Philadelphia was like, oh,
just bring some guys in, we'll play right. So the
(49:05):
Cowboys ended up winning that game. They went back and
played them two weeks later. It was the first game
after the strike, was over and they put it on
the Cowboys pretty good. I think they were up like
thirty to twenty and it was the last possession. The
Cowboys went for it on fourth down. They didn't get it,
(49:25):
so they're at about the thirty some yard line in Philadelphia,
gets the ball and Buddy remembered the end a round
and they drove down and it was time to take
a knee, and they took a knee. They took a knee.
And then the next play, Randall Cunningham fate taking a
(49:48):
knee and threw into the end zone and it was
interference and they got the ball back at the one
yard line and there was only like two or three
seconds left. He sent Buyers in to score a touchdown
thirty seven.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
Well, I must admit in that one, the first game.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
You were cheering for the Eagle.
Speaker 5 (50:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (50:12):
The whole team sold me out as far as the
union was right, right, you're right, And when it saw
said done. Because of that, I truly believe that was
the beginning of the end of Tom Landry's coaching career. Well,
no one trusted anyone after that.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, And that stuck out. And then the ninety one
game when they got shut out the season or it
was second game, third game of the year. They got
beat Troy Aikman got sacked eleven times and still ties
for the franchise record. Was a game, and then the
(50:46):
Cowboys went up there needing to win to clinch a playoff.
Berth and Kelvin Martin had the eighty fee our kickoff
putt return for the touchdown to take the lead.
Speaker 5 (50:57):
And that's why we hate the Eagles. Take us out
of your bill.
Speaker 7 (51:01):
All right, and hey, we got a great tour here
to take us out as well. And we will shout
out to you. What are you wearing the Missouri.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
I'm getting the candid start. They need all the help
they can get in and in our way of the
college football playoff on Saturday.
Speaker 7 (51:15):
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Speaker 2 (51:23):
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Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.