December 2, 2025 • 50 mins
A good injury update for the Cowboys Thursday night game against the Detroit Lions, with Tuesday status of Jadeveon Clowney and Tyler Guyton, and finally Everson’s thoughts on the Thanksgiving Day win over the Chiefs. Then pointing out this revamped defensive personnel, Clowney’s impact, along with Picks and Picks to Click.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now Here are Bill Jones, HECMA Harrison, Everson Walls, and
Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well check this down, cowboy. They said, look who they've
host on Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
It's me.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, let's get it to it. And hey, another edition
of mixed Shots.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
You are in the taj Mahal of football here in
the SWBC Mortgage studios, here at the Star in Frisco,
home of your Dallas Cowboys, and they are out on
the practice field right now getting ready for the Detroit Lions.
And look who decided to come to work to day.
(01:00):
My shape for the brother is in the building.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Everson Wallas? The Super Bowl champions? Here in the in
the guy that the show is named after. We couldn't
do it without you, Mick. How you doing, man? You
like you're dressed for a funeral.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I'm good?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Look for TV?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Is that what it is? Yeah? Let's cut short custom
by baby. You know what size jacket is it? It
ain't off the rack. It ain't off.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I wish that was the truth. Probably forty two.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Short, forty two short. Yeah, I won't even tell you
my jacket then, man, that's all good.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Hey, I don't shop at the Big Man's story.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Hey, hey, I will tell you who do a short
man store? No, they don't. They just cut the sleeves off.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Another form of discriminator.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Know what you're talking about? Thought, don't do that, the
form of discrimination, Mick, quit on that one. They need
a short man. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
When I get my opportunity, okay, to host the show.
Before we get into it and get involved, I'm gonna
ask how are you? How are you?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Sincerely? How's your mentals? How are you on this fine,
beautiful day today?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
You know, I was telling someone the other day just
how blessed I am to have family and friends. Yeah. No,
matter what happens in my life, I can fuss all
I want, but I got family and friends, and it
makes everything smooth out till another day. I know. That's right, Mick.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I feel rushed, but I'm here rushed because you were
late almost. I wasn't late. I was in the press
conference that I was late for.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Well, did you Did you learn anything in the press
conference that you I think I.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Only missed the best parts on who was going to
play and who might not. I'm guessing judging from yesterday's
practice and this injury report, I have Tyler Goton's probably out.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Wow, Okay, if it was a high.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Ankle spraying, then those things don't just heal in a week.
What it is, and that's what it supposedly is, although
they just got ankle. But now he'll have what ten
days between now and the next game, so maybe he's
ready there. I thought Nate Thomas did a decent job,
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but you hate going on a road against a team
like this with Aiden Hutchinson can just line up wherever
he wants, right, and so I'm sure he'll be looking
for Nate Thomas. But he did a decent job these
last couple of games. Jadavian Clowney, who has really come
into his own heir of these last few games, he
(03:46):
still has in practice. We may have to take a
look out there. He's been doing rehab for a hamstring.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
The previously they had listed him as a neck limited.
Now it's a hamstring.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Hey, when you're his age man, there's a lot of stuff, hurt, a.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Lot of stuff, right, and yeah, and you know it
probably took him a little bit longer to you know,
get with it. No training camp, yeah, no preseason, and
you know, he just came off the couch and he
sort of admitted we were just chit chatting with him
(04:21):
about Yeah, I feel like myself now. It took a
while and maybe a little bit longer. But this last game,
you know his line, I think I read it off
the other day, tied for the team lead with six tackles,
two sacks, two tackles for losses, a couple, a couple pressures,
maybe maybe even had a pass defense or something. So yeah, anyway, uh,
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they need him out there. And by the way, uh,
no coincidence. I think he started the last three games,
so but he didn't play. The key thing was he
did all what I just told you, and he only
played twenty nine snaps, so forty four percent.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Of the swell. That's pretty damn efficient.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right, That's yeah, that's some participation, right. So anyway, Yeah,
and maybe it has something to do with the middle
starting to great pressure.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Of course it is.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And then you know they can't double team everybody, right,
So yeah, So anyway, I didn't hear what he was
going to do. When we go out on the break,
i'll see if he's with brit Or, if he's actually practicing.
But other than that, everybody is that has something is
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listed as limited and I would think they're good to go.
And I think from what I understand Trayvon Diggs as
yesterday Swell did the day before.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I want to talk about the guy that's been in
your doghouse. Is this that's right?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And I want to know about his opportunity to get
out of your doghouse with a stellar performance on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
If he does have an opportunity, gives the opportunity, it's.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
The opportunity to play. And coach Schottenhammer talked about well, no,
Jerry was talking about this morning a one to five
to three the fan about himctic having a good week
of practice.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, and he this was his first week of practice,
so that they started his twenty one day practice deal
and is a ramp up thing. I he looked like
he was getting snaps yesterday. Now we don't get to
watch the whole practice, right, but he participating in the
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individual drills.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Drill.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't know about team but they listed it as limited,
so I'm guessing he didn't take every snap when they
went team. But looking at him move in the individual drills,
not only was he moving well, he was acting like
he was part of the team, which I thought was
a really big step a lot. Yes, yes, and he was,
(07:04):
you know, kind of hopping. He was sort of moving
to the music, and I said, Okay, maybe he's getting
it now. So that would be an addition to the
rotation at the cornerback spot. I don't know that after
I don't know, has it been six seven weeks?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Something been about six? Yeah, yeah, I don't know that.
There's four on I R for sure. And then he
had a week before that.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And he played one, and he had a week he
didn't play, then he played, and then he didn't play,
and then they put him on IR after the concussion,
the home accident or whatever it was. So he hasn't
but not everybody's watching on the website right air quotes
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and uh, so he hasn't played in a while, But
you know, at least you know, if they can get
him out there in nickelsit situations where he can play
outside and plan can go inside, and then you got
your choice of Revel or Kaylin Carson who's back practicing.
So that's encouraging.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
And so now.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You know, I'm going to write about this for tomorrow.
This is like a remade defense if you look at it.
They got guys that we're starting that are no longer here,
right Carier Elam I bet he started eight seven eight games, right, Yes,
Damon Clark was a starting linebacker to start the season.
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He's not here, and Mozzi Smith's not here. These guys
were starting.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
So, I mean, you talked about this defense being revamped
with the guys that we're going to get back from
ir and I guess no one could have predicted that
we'd have been able to make the trade that we
made for Quinn Williams. But when you think about it,
when you look at it on paper, basically the names
from week one to where we are right now, it's
completely different and a complete revamped defense. And oh, by
(09:03):
the way, you get your safeties back also, which has
completely remade everything.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And that this is not just promise this, it's happened.
It's happening. They're playing there, they're coming through for us.
The proof is in the putting, so to speak. So
to watch this team play the way they're playing and
come together in such a short amount of time with
all of these different influxes of different players and players leaving,
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as you talked about, this is a this is pretty
exciting time for Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I got to ask you, guys, we got to get
into these Detroit Lions because Mickey, you've covered this team
and obviously with all the football that you've played, have
you ever seen a team like the Detroit Lions from
Dan Campbell when he took over. I mean, they not
a winning franchise and through their general manager brother from HBCU,
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great general manager, but their ownership has right at the ship.
They have had some great draft picks. They can't keep
coordinators because I guess that's the telltale sign of a
great team because they're poaching your coaches, right. But the
one thing that still remains about them in their DNA
of being a physical football team. Is there anything about
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them the way that they are made that you envy
or you look at it and say, I like that
and I wish we had a little bit of that
in US.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I would have said that around three four weeks ago. Yeah,
right now, I don't envy any team. I just don't
the things that we're doing, especially after this last game,
which by the way, is one of the best games
I've ever seen the Cowboys play, period, because of the situation,
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because Kansas City just does not lose in this type
of situation. And they came in here ready to go
back home with a victory. And I'm pretty sure that
they were cockying to think that this is a done
deal and for us to take a punch and throw
some back and and knock them out the way we did. No,
(11:09):
I don't envy any team right now. We I think
we are being envied. The pundits hate to say it,
but they have to. Oh you gotta say the Cowboys
in the NFL. And they said with a question mark, like, huh,
you know what I mean. And so the octave is
highest team in the n f NFL, NFL, you know.
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And so that's the kind of thing I like about
this team.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Unfortunately, you know, a very unfortunate incident brought them together.
But whatever the reason, Uh, they are true to it. Uh,
this is not fake. These guys are really together out there. Uh.
And I think that's what tray Von saw as he
was coming back into the fold, like, man, this ain't
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the team that I thought was back to take. You know,
we're making all these moves and it's not gonna make
any sense. All of a sudden, he's thinking, Wow, I
want to be a part of this. I'll better hurry
up and get it back. Yes, right, And you know,
I'm sure that he's always had the confidence that he
can play and do whatever he's got to do. But
I'm pretty sure his attitude from four weeks ago is
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totally different from what it is right now.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Like when they're doing stretch and he does it.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
With the team'd be nice over there with Mike.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Go to the side, and I know that doesn't sound
like a big deal. And you know in this room
is just from a team standpoint, be part of it, right,
be here in the off season.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And he's an introverted guy. Let's he really, You're right,
But when he's out there on the field, he's not
as introvert because now you're in your you're in your space.
This is this is your comfort zone. And and so
with him, I always thought that, uh, he still played
it close to the vest. It doesn't seem like that
way now you know it doesn't see it seems like
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he's you know, he's feeling it. I mean he's really
feeling honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
And I think you saw it. So we hadn't gotten
EU opinion. On the Thanksgiving Day game. You mentioned physical,
I'm gonna say tough, yeah, And I think there's a
difference because they hung tough in that game against Kansas City.
They had the lead and you know Mahomes was going
to bring him back and they hung tough, right, And
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I thought that was a difference of not folding down
the stretch when you're.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
When you're talking about playing against that team. Yeah, that
that was a measuring stick for us. It was, and
I still you know me as I think like a
coach as a player, Okay, what's next, right, Okay, what's next?
And this this, you know, this Detroutch team is going
to be another measuring stick for us because we're not
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playing at home, right, And I always make a big
deal about that because it is a big deal. That's
why that's why teams struggle on the road because for
some reason, not having that home crowd behind you makes
a big difference. You have to be a really tough
minded team to go into a place like Detroit and
not be swayed in any way and and let your
(14:16):
game work for you. I played on some teams like that,
and it's it's a special moment, you know when it's there.
I wonder if the Cowboys feel that right now that
they can actually go into Detroit, and not just because
Detroit is stumbling a little bit, I mean just because
of who you are. Forget what they're going through right now.
It's because of where we are coming from and where
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we are now.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
They didn't have much of a home field advantage on
Sunday or Thursday, Red warmed them up.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
For what's goodness. I didn't like that after the anthem
and the home of the what is going on around here?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And it was like fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Knew at the Q and A, Yeah that it was
gonna be fifty. So you already knew we had a
whole lot of Man, we have more fans there for
the Q and A than we've had all season long,
and so you knew it was gonna be attended well.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
And I bring up the point about Detroit because again
under Dan Campbell, what they have done is they have
played a brand of football that travels with everywhere they go.
The running game with Jamir Gibbs and David Montgomery, and
just the physical play style that they present. And I
from the beginning of the season to where the Cowboys
are right now, that was something that you question physicality
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and now that's the thing in the past.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
And talent as well. Look at the talent that they have.
You just named out certain players. We can name out
some that can balance everything you just talked about. Yeah,
and that's what I like about it.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
So from a from a defensive backfield standpoint, you know,
they have Jameson Williams and Almanrod Saint Brown, who is questionable.
We don't we don't know if he's gonna play, and
that's going to be huge for them on Thursday if
he can. But from a secondary standpoint with you know,
if you can get a tray Von Diggs back, if
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you know Deron Bland, Ready Stewart and company, what do
you think the mentality or the scheme that you would
play two dynamic wide receivers like that. Also, knowing that
you have a pretty damn good running game.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
To go with that, you have to let everyone play
their position. You just have to let you have to
trust the guys that are back there as well, because
there are gonna be some times well, okay, Carson might
be lined up on Williams, he might be lined up
on him, and he might be lined up on Mama
rout and okay, do you trust him? Can we blitz now?
Should we blitz now? While you got these guys playing
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one on one? Are we afraid of them? Are we
afraid for our guys? That's the kind of stuff. That's
the trust you got to have in your players right
now and after last week. That's what I like about
it because we saw we let Aj. We didn't let him,
but Aj Brown had a great game again stuff, but
yet we still won the game. It was just him though,
it was just him, and not only that, it wasn't
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him throughout the entire game. When it came down to
the end, he was not a factor. These are the
kind of things I'm talking about. We have to make
sure we stay stay within the team concept. But as
an individual, you better prioritize. If I'm playing against a
fast receiver like that, I'm gonna give him some space.
Roy Green, I had to play play against him, I
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gotta give him space because he's that dynamic. But that's
all I'm gonna give him. I'm not gonna let him
be successful. You can give him space and give up
those fifteen yarders ten yarders. They might move the chains,
but it ain't New York Giants. It ain't Russell Wilson
out there throwing deep on us and we act like
we don't know where the goal line is. That's right.
So those are kind of things that just to be solid.
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You're not gonna shut a guy like that down. You're
not gonna shut this offense down, but you better play tough.
You then shut down Kansas City at all. Holmes had
four testsdown passes. He had a hell of a game,
so to us, to me, the quarterback having a good game,
that doesn't mean that we're going to lose it. That
means that we just have to count them. So as
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you play defense, you have to understand, don't put your
offense in a bad position and trust them as well
to make the plays that they need to play make
to cover for you. Because right now this team is complimentary.
That's what you call complimentary. I got your back, you
got mine, Mickey.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I was going to ask you about Ibra Flus and
what you've seen from him and what you've obviously been
reporting on this team and the big change that's happened
in the secondary obviously since Quinn Williams has come on,
but there has been a change. We've been talking about
zone and all of that at the beginning of the year,
but he's mixing in man as well in the change
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on the defense's apparent.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well, he was trying to answer the question yesterday about
why this defense has kind of pivoted right in the
right direction, and he talked about consistency, he taught, talked
about executing, and then he finally said personnel. All right,
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So what's the change? Is it scheme? Is it Quinn Williams?
Is it Kenny Clark being unleashed? Is it a Diggie
Zua now having can do what he does because of
what the other guys are doing. Is it Jadavian clowney
what he's doing. Is Sam Williams now played games right
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or nine games since.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Sam is right? I don't know, Hey, I don't know
what happens. Is it? Is it DeMar.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Marvin over showing on the field?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Goodness? Goodness?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Is it Logan Wilson on the field, giving a veteran
presence to the linebacker. Is it von supposed to be
Savon Revel all of a sudden and Kayln Carson playing
cornerback man? Well, I mean they're playing for guys that
aren't on the team anymore. Think about what you had
out there, and then everybody says, oh, and don't forget
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the safeties, right Donovan Wilson, Malik Hooker. Hooker missed five games.
Wilson missed two of those five also, so they were
without their starting safeties out there for quite a while.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And Malik Hooker, he's doing some things. He's doing some
things out there right now.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well, he started in the training namely aggressive. He started
in training camp with a couple of hits right on
run plays and I made him laugh. I said, no
tackling out there.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Just like that.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
He lit somebody up. And it wasn't like Williams or Sanders.
It might have been Blue or somebody else. But they've
revamped that defense. He can play man if he wants
to write, he can play zone a little bit.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
More, did I And I know I saw this. I
wonder if he a reference to it, the five man
front and the five man front that's that is that
is killing it and we're still plays on behind it.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And it's not like three down line men and two linebackers.
It's five down linemens. And you put Osa with Clark
and Williams. Okay, now you've got a problem in the middle.
That's a thousand because now everybody's man. You know, it's yeah,
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you know, it's a thousand pounds because I just I
just look back. I look back to that Carolina game
when they ran all over the Cowboys. They double team Clark,
they double teamed Osa, and they said, we're not worrying
about anybody else. We're blowing you guys out of the middle.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
That's no.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And I was gonna say, so it's changed. I don't
know the philosophy changed. But if I got better players,
I become a better coach.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
But God's sake, our first break and uh, I'm going
to coin the phrase from James Brown, the big payback.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
That's what this game is all about.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
On Thursday, we'll talk more about this game versus Detroit
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We are here in the SWBC Mortgage Studios for Mixed Shots.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
HEC.
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Maharrison, Mickey Spagnola, and Everson Walls is in the building.
I was asking you guys during the break the most
embarrassing Cowboys loss for.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You that you can remember, and I will go first.
I'm gonna tell you. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Monday Night, November fifteenth, two thousand and four, the Dallas
Cowboys versus the philade lf Eagles, Donovan McNabb and Terrell
Owins came into Texas Stadium and beat us down. He
didn't he didn't stand on the star at the fifty
yard line, but he did stand on the star and
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the end zone and he even ice skated.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
He even ice skated in it.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
That's how good of a game that they would have
done with McNabb in that game when sideline the sideline
and then through the ball almost sixty yards for a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
That was one of those losses a year?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Was that?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Four? Four? Yeah? Oh four?
Speaker 7 (25:28):
That was?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Was that like the seventeen second play?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It had to have been that. It was.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
It was, man, I'm telling it was one of the worst,
one of the worst. Was like sitting there witnessing, I
was like, I cannot believe we're getting beat like this.
Last year against Detroit, I had that same feeling. I'm
like the hooking ladder. Yeah, when they hooked and laddered
on us, I said, this is personal, because this is personal.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Was Uh No, Buddy wasn't coaching then, was he? When
Buddy we're doing that game.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
No, that was and reed on thousand and four, two thousand,
Andy Reid.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Andy Reid in Parcels was the.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Coaching that only that only followed the Reid's first game. Okay,
the pickle Juice game.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
So what about you guys? You got to tell me,
oh we we we we agree on the Chicago Bears
nineteen eighty five, forty four nothing.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And that was a playoff team, by the way, with
the winning record.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yes, yes, we were four they were, well we did.
Having said that in eighty five, they're getting knocked out
in the first round by the Rams and yeah, yeah, again,
who's the quarterback in that game?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
For?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Who? For the Cowboys? Gary Hogebo Hogabom? Okay? And that,
to me, that's a story within itself. And Spags is
going to disagree with me on this.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I'm trying to remember it was it because I thought
after the eighty four season they got rid of Hogaboom?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Did they?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm trying to give me that thing.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
You're gonna find out who it is. Yes, set me
set me straight, set me straight. Forty four in Chicago
now here was it here? And that was the team
that went to the Super Bowl. That was the daunted
Chicago Bears team that everyone is making the Pro Bowls
(27:19):
in the Hall of Fames on right now. Because of
that season. You got guys in the in the Hall
of Fame on the defensive line for Chicago that are
nothing compared to two Tall Jones and Harvey Martin. And
yet that season, that one season, even though they were
good players, that one season put a couple of guys
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in there, Steve McMichael as well. It was because of
that one season, That's what I believe, because they never
had a team as powerful as that come along in
Chicago before.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Since that was Hoger Boom's last season, I couldn't remember
if they had gone back to Danny.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
So it was eighty five, right Boom? Yeah, Okay, So
the fact that you said that, I'm going with my narrative.
Coaches make points, and sometimes coaches try to make a point,
even at the of their careers and career numbers they were.
(28:22):
I don't want to use it with the T word.
Coaches will not put their best foot forward if they're
trying to make a point with the team that he's coaching.
At that time, we had all gone, we were done
with Danny White and.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
He was still starting. By the way, who Danny White
eight five?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
He did not play in that game.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
You don't think he did.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I don't think he did. All right, take a look,
Well you can't. You wouldn't know because they had zero.
So it mattered here here, let me say this top
We voted Hoga Boom in and Tom Day said, okay,
you want Hoga boom Man, you take him, and he
put him out there against the dogs. That's that's that's coaching.
(29:10):
That's what coaches do. Drew Pearson got mad at me
a long time ago. He said, man, Tom Land, you
would never throw a game. He threw him out there.
He make a point, make a point because as far
as coach is concerned, is it this game or my
reputation with my team that I have to look out for.
He wanted to establish dominance as the coach on this team.
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I will go to my grave thinking that, Okay, that
game or not, whether it was that game or not,
when he sent Hoga Boom out there, he sent him
out there with not much to work with. And he
sat there and like you know how there crossed his
arms and let the play go to a tune of
forty four to zero. Man, gonna check it out right
(29:54):
now to see if that's correct. And they did this.
I think we did the same thing with Reggie Callier.
Reggie call you may have played in that game, Spags,
It may have been Reggie.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Reggie played in the final game.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Eighty six, eighty six six, so it was eighty six.
He played against Chicago, right, We played on twice.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
So both both guys played in that game. Danny was
nine to seventeen for one hundred and seven yards and
Hogeboom was six of twenty two for six yards, sixty
yards and oh my god, three interceptions. Oh my, so
he must have started and then got.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Oh my god, he was getting that. Tom was over there.
That's your man. Yeah, that's guy.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
What now now, Okay, no, it says it says Danny's
did I started, Yeah, he's.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Put We put him out there, put him out there,
that's your guy. Unbelievable straight Super Bowl shuffle. Yeah, that
was it that.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I mean, look, and I asked that question because again
last season, Detroit came in with the vendetta and it
was off of the year before. It was the substitution
whatever it was that they scored a touchdown and it
was overturned turned.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
They were still mad about that play.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
They were they were, they were but hurt human because
they screwed it up. It was their fault. It was
their fault because they tried to fake everybody out and
they faked out the head referee.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I just remember thinking, if you know, there's a there's
like the honor amongst thieves, right with coaches, Like there's
a there's universal law in football, like if I'm kneeling,
don't bring your defense, or if I'm running the ball,
that's showing that I'm not trying to even play anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Don't run the clock up on me anymore. Dan Campbell said,
the hell with that.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I am going to keep my dogs on the field
for four quarters that I am trying to rub your
face in it. And I was like, man, if i'm
Mike McCarthy, if I see him outside of this building,
I'm throwing a shot.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
If you do something like that, then damn it, you'd
better go all the way. Well he did.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
There was a game not go on. There was a game.
I think it was Sunday. Some team was leading. I
can't remember again, I don't remember who it was, but
whoever was ahead, the other team was like so far
behind it was over with, and the team from behind
kept calling time out. They're not going to catch you.
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And the quarterback said, well, screw that, I'm throwing for
the end zone.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Right, And that's what they did.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I'm not apologizing for it. Right, They shouldn't have called
time out. I've seen that happen. Yeah, I've seen that happen.
It's like I remember I went to a freezing coal
Missouri Kansas State game. Right, it was at Missouri, and
it's freezing, and they're beating with Kansas State. I don't know,
(32:46):
I've gone to so many of years, and they're beating
them by three touchdowns, right, and and Kansas State's calling
time out and throwing for the end zone every play, right,
and I'm saying, we'll screw it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Blitz.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You know, I'm not worried about that. I'm gonna blitz.
I don't know if they could hear me from no,
they probably they probably trying to help.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Look, this is uh in this game.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
We probably haven't brought this guy up, this this and
this is but this being the last show before the game.
UH ivory LT. Then I stole that from Newie Scruggs.
He called Aiden Hutcheson Ivory.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I like it. I've real t it's hilarious. But that defense, uh,
some of us.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Even though they lost their defensive coordinator, they still have
some of the same characteristics. But I find it very
interesting some of the things that they're going through in
their secondary. Although they're stout up front, they have a
ton of injuries that they're having to deal with. As
a matter of fact, I believe it was Terry and
Arnold Arnold who just got relegated to i R yesterday,
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that was.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Some of the news that came through shoulder. Yeah, it
was his shoulder.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
And also they're dealing Kirby Joseph, who's also their their
free safety. He's dealing with something as well. So they
are beat up on the back half of their defense. Now,
I don't know, Mickey, I'm sure you heard George Pickens yesterday,
and George Pickens was just talking about teams that play
Man versus teams that plays home and all of those things,
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and he's I don't I won't call it arrogance. He
was just stating the facts of it. Don't matter what
they play. They haven't been able to stop it. And
I was like, they've seen it all. I could you
imagine being out there these two alpha males. Yeah, I mean,
(34:38):
I'm sure they've thrown everything at them.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
And you know, I know you guys probably talked about yesterday,
but if they thought that the matchup with those our
wide receivers and their dbs was going to be formidable,
it was not.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
No.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
We ate, yeah, we ate well. And to me, they
were talking about how good McDuffie is. Yeah, McDuffie was
trying to go. He was trying to leave early. Well,
that's what happens when you got three or four pis.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And I've come up with a new stat that they
need to keep. Somebody's keeping it. But you don't see it, right,
how many times the defense gets called for pass interference?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
The Cowboys two wide receivers. Now, I've heard that somebody
came up with something that they lead the league in
pass interference, And so I decided, though, you should get
credit for when they call pass interference and you catch
the ball, you should get extra like another five yards.
(35:46):
I caught it, all right, it doesn't matter. I want
five more yards. Agree with that, because you know, darn well,
Pickens has caught a bunch of passes right that, there
are pis and it's like, well, no, we're declining that.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I hate to say this to you, Mickey, It's called
pro football focus. They keep up with that.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I'm not I'm not, I'm not believing it, but I'm
just throwing it out there. Somebody said, but but but.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
In this, in this situation, you have an offense right
now that, even going up against a physical defense, that
their style or their mantra is we're gonna play in
the phone booth. We don't mind playing man man. They're
not gonna switch who They not switch up who they are.
That's their scheme. But how in the how do they
take the field and say we're gonna stop George Pickens
(36:38):
and Ceedee Lamb from going nuclear on us.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
The only way you can stop them is stop DAK.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
And the only way you can stop Dak is to
keep him off the field. Right. So, offensively, they they're
like us. They are like us. That's just the way
it is. They they're strong, well, we're strong in every position.
And I would even look at the coaches as well,
two very good coaches. They know that team very well
and it's close to that team. Yo, Capbell. He was
(37:07):
doing that last year, two years before that, pulling his
heart out, being emotional in front of his team, not
being afraid to show how vulnerable he is as a coach.
And here they are. They trust him. And it's the
same with Shatty.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I know we've got to go to break her, right,
But I'm going to throw this out. It's in the Lions'
weekly release and I was trying to look out where
they ranked, like points per game, total offense, passing, whatever, right,
and they compared it to the Cowboys, But I wasn't
looking at that points per game. They're tied for third, right,
(37:41):
Guess who's second the Cowboys? Yeah, all right, Total offense
they're third. Guess who's first the Cowboys. They are fourth
in rushing offense. I'll give them this one. The Cowboys
are thirteenth. Passing offense, they're seventh. Cowboys are number one.
So I was looking there thinking, oh, this offense, right,
(38:03):
and the two running backs got to deal with them.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
But the Cowboys are right up there third down offense percentage,
they're nineteenth. The Cowboys are fifth. Now where they're tops
big time is giveaways. They've only had eight. They're ranked
eight they ranked second, they're only giving up eight. The
(38:28):
Cowboys are eighteenth. They've had fifteen giveaways. But when you
look at well, think about some of those yep but
bumbles that cost them touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
But think about how we overcame those.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, no, no, they're right.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah, I did not know it's fifteen. I think that's
why the number seems big, because of the sex, the
success that we've had.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Right, that's like one and a half the game almost.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Well, we got let's take our last break, guys, but
when we come back, we got to do our picks
to click. Bill's already sent his in and he went
out on the limb again with this.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
We well, we don't get the narrative though, we don't
get the story. We don't.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
We don't, Bill, I know you watching. You got to
send the narrative and how'd you come up with that?
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Speaker 4 (41:40):
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Speaker 3 (41:50):
Is that that's right, Chris? For us be premature on
that you guys are traveling, It must be true. Mick
is out here. What's time the plane leave? Mick?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Oh, I think a little bit before two o'clock.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
For two o'clock, So everybody's on the plane. I feel like, guys,
that this game is going to come down to a
head scratching decision. That's Dan Campbell. He makes some decisions
that just why. You know, like they were fourth downs
things like that. He is a gambling you know what,
(42:26):
he'll do it.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
He shows his players that he believes.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I thought gambling in the NFL was not allowed, Well.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah it's not. But risk taker, he shows his players
he believes in them, no matter what the situation.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
They have gone for it on fourth down twenty five.
They're only thirteen of twenty five. I mean, that's that
fifty percent.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Right, I mean, he that's so. I just feel like
in this game he's not going to change the spots
all of a sudden. It's not He's gonna be even
more stubborn. Come on, you know you can prime time Cabell.
You can look at Cabell and tell he's not backing
down from anything.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
But you know what it's causing. The opponents have gone
for it on fourth down thirteen for twenty three, twenty
three times. He's provoking.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
That's what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
And I hope, my hope is that he does not
provoke in this situation less the situation calls for it
down the gold line.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
You know how I feel about that.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
But I just think you have two coaches that have
shown how much they believe in their in their team
and their willingness to go forward on fourth down. A
lot was made of Shad Nahma's decision against Philadelphia when
he went forward you know, midfield, you know, basically first
drive of the game, and a lot of people didn't
agree with that. But either way, you know, this is
going to be one of those kinds of games. Anything
(43:48):
that we didn't cover, Mickey, that you you got in
the book of balling over there that you want to
get into.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Well, we haven't mentioned Jamir Gibbs's name, have we We
have not. Or David Montgomery we have not.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I don't want to bring him up. We should, I
don't want to wait, we should? That's that's you know this,
This that's thunder enlightning right there.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Run defense over the last the three game winning streak.
It's giving up right at sixty. I think I've figured
out sixty eight rushing yards a game, which is a
hell of a lot less than what they had been
giving up previously. Now, can they keep it up against.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
This office offense, right, Because the thing is, it's not
just the yardage, it's the momentum of a game. Gibbs
can change the entire momentum of a game. He can
He can make things happen just by demoralizing you with
the way he runs and how quickly it happens. It's
(44:50):
almost like you know, you're you're sitting up here about
to fight a guy, and y'all are face to face
and all of a sudden, he just slapped the hell
out of you. He wo analogy because you where they
lit come from. You're taking the back, yeah, And that's
how fast he is. You can be taking the back
about how quickly and suddenly they can score. That's why
(45:11):
you have to trust everybody on the field to be
where they're supposed to be. We should be done with
these mixed blown assignments. If everyone is where they're supposed
to be, you minimize, you don't eliminate, You minimize what
the damage they can do to you.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
And it's not just yards. They got a neat static here.
They have each rushed for more than over twenty three
twenty four twenty five combined. Right, They've each rushed for
more than thirty touchdowns. Gibbs has thirty six in three
years and Montgomery has thirty one. That's a ton of production,
(45:54):
not just yards they're getting in the end zone.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Yeah, and then the other thing about Gibbs that really
scares me is him catching the ball out of the
backfield also, And I think that's and I've said it
in this game and Bill took my guy overshown because
I feel like he is the key because you've talked
about this linebacker play for a long time and him
mirroring the running back.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
You have to see it.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
And shoot, you can't wait on this guy, Jamiir Gibbs
because by the time you wait, he's already gone. He hits,
He hits the line of scrimmage already with a full
head of steam. And Montgomery is the complete opposite being
that when it comes down to third and two, anything short,
(46:38):
I mean, he's built like a ball in ball.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
To bring him, yeah, it is hard. It is hard
for one man to bring him.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
And that is the thing about them, the combination of
them too. And as everybody talks about the running back
by committee, if I'm going to have a running back
by committee, that's what I wanted to look like just
like those guys.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
He's already got Gibbs, already got a thousand yards rush.
Oh yeah, we're not hearing about that, because if I
knew Barkley, or.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Or I knew when I saw him score was that
two weeks ago and just took off still farming people
on the way. He wasn't just he wasn't just untouched.
He was touched by three or four or five guys,
and he still came out of it and still had
enough to go to the house. So Mick, we talked
about it. He brought us all down.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
And thank you, but I thought that we were a
little bit remissed.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Fine, fine, so we bought him off.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
My revamp defense.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
Something something to be, something else to put on your
mind as we go into tomorrow and Thursday.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
But we're gonna start with you ever soon. Come on, now,
tell us about you. I want some soup, all right,
I want some soup, all right? Thirty three thirty cowboys.
Aubrey's gonna win it for us.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
That's it, Butter, You're going to all right, go on, Butter,
I am going to go in aw. I'm saying this
is a twenty four to twenty seven, game at low
that low twenty four to twenty seven, and I am
going to go with Kittle Kelsey. I think you're going
to be concentrating on those wide receivers and your tight
(48:10):
end is going to have opportunity to bust this game open.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
So I'm going with ferguson the Cowboys scores not first,
I take.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
No no, I said, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, yeah,
this Cowboys win, all right.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I got Cowboys thirty five, thirty one, and I am
going to take Davante Williams.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Davonte Williams. By the way, I was at an event
in Fort Worth last night and everyone loves turping. Yes,
everyone loves turping, and boy all we could do was
just bag on his butt all night long last night.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Well, and this will make you guys laugh.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
This is for you.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Our mail bag question for today was Turpin seems to
be involved in the offense so much it's taken away
from his special teams returns. Do you think he should
be concentrating on special teams? My answer was absolutely not.
I want the ball in his as much as I can.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Man, When he catched that ball, it's twenty yards right there. Everybody,
whoa what does happened?
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Well, how about the fumble recovery?
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Yes? Huge much? Hey that's that's that just offsets, It
just upsets because he made one. He got one right.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
Naden frisco Is always said, Hey, it's gonna be about
a matter of time.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
You put him at running back. Somebody gonna show him
it's coming. Now. Way, let's put Bill Bill's bill thirty
to twenty seven, Agent zero. That's what Bill has, Yes.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
Right, all right, Cowboy Nation will be back for Friday
victory Friday. Here on mixed shot, Oh Cowboys, Cowboy Nation,
I hope your team wins.
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Speaker 3 (50:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well check this down, cowboy. They said, look who they've
host on Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
It's me.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, let's get it to it. And hey, another edition
of mixed Shots.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
You are in the taj Mahal of football here in
the SWBC Mortgage studios, here at the Star in Frisco,
home of your Dallas Cowboys, and they are out on
the practice field right now getting ready for the Detroit Lions.
And look who decided to come to work to day.
(01:00):
My shape for the brother is in the building.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Everson Wallas? The Super Bowl champions? Here in the in
the guy that the show is named after. We couldn't
do it without you, Mick. How you doing, man? You
like you're dressed for a funeral.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I'm good?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Look for TV?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Is that what it is? Yeah? Let's cut short custom
by baby. You know what size jacket is it? It
ain't off the rack. It ain't off.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I wish that was the truth. Probably forty two.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Short, forty two short. Yeah, I won't even tell you
my jacket then, man, that's all good.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Hey, I don't shop at the Big Man's story.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Hey, hey, I will tell you who do a short
man store? No, they don't. They just cut the sleeves off.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Another form of discriminator.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Know what you're talking about? Thought, don't do that, the
form of discrimination, Mick, quit on that one. They need
a short man. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
When I get my opportunity, okay, to host the show.
Before we get into it and get involved, I'm gonna
ask how are you? How are you?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Sincerely? How's your mentals? How are you on this fine,
beautiful day today?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
You know, I was telling someone the other day just
how blessed I am to have family and friends. Yeah. No,
matter what happens in my life, I can fuss all
I want, but I got family and friends, and it
makes everything smooth out till another day. I know. That's right, Mick.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I feel rushed, but I'm here rushed because you were
late almost. I wasn't late. I was in the press
conference that I was late for.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Well, did you Did you learn anything in the press
conference that you I think I.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Only missed the best parts on who was going to
play and who might not. I'm guessing judging from yesterday's
practice and this injury report, I have Tyler Goton's probably out.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Wow, Okay, if it was a high.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Ankle spraying, then those things don't just heal in a week.
What it is, and that's what it supposedly is, although
they just got ankle. But now he'll have what ten
days between now and the next game, so maybe he's
ready there. I thought Nate Thomas did a decent job,
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but you hate going on a road against a team
like this with Aiden Hutchinson can just line up wherever
he wants, right, and so I'm sure he'll be looking
for Nate Thomas. But he did a decent job these
last couple of games. Jadavian Clowney, who has really come
into his own heir of these last few games, he
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still has in practice. We may have to take a
look out there. He's been doing rehab for a hamstring.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
The previously they had listed him as a neck limited.
Now it's a hamstring.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Hey, when you're his age man, there's a lot of stuff, hurt, a.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Lot of stuff, right, and yeah, and you know it
probably took him a little bit longer to you know,
get with it. No training camp, yeah, no preseason, and
you know, he just came off the couch and he
sort of admitted we were just chit chatting with him
(04:21):
about Yeah, I feel like myself now. It took a
while and maybe a little bit longer. But this last game,
you know his line, I think I read it off
the other day, tied for the team lead with six tackles,
two sacks, two tackles for losses, a couple, a couple pressures,
maybe maybe even had a pass defense or something. So yeah, anyway, uh,
(04:47):
they need him out there. And by the way, uh,
no coincidence. I think he started the last three games,
so but he didn't play. The key thing was he
did all what I just told you, and he only
played twenty nine snaps, so forty four percent.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Of the swell. That's pretty damn efficient.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right, That's yeah, that's some participation, right. So anyway, Yeah,
and maybe it has something to do with the middle
starting to great pressure.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Of course it is.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And then you know they can't double team everybody, right,
So yeah, So anyway, I didn't hear what he was
going to do. When we go out on the break,
i'll see if he's with brit Or, if he's actually practicing.
But other than that, everybody is that has something is
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listed as limited and I would think they're good to go.
And I think from what I understand Trayvon Diggs as
yesterday Swell did the day before.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I want to talk about the guy that's been in
your doghouse. Is this that's right?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And I want to know about his opportunity to get
out of your doghouse with a stellar performance on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
If he does have an opportunity, gives the opportunity, it's.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
The opportunity to play. And coach Schottenhammer talked about well, no,
Jerry was talking about this morning a one to five
to three the fan about himctic having a good week
of practice.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, and he this was his first week of practice,
so that they started his twenty one day practice deal
and is a ramp up thing. I he looked like
he was getting snaps yesterday. Now we don't get to
watch the whole practice, right, but he participating in the
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individual drills.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Drill.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't know about team but they listed it as limited,
so I'm guessing he didn't take every snap when they
went team. But looking at him move in the individual drills,
not only was he moving well, he was acting like
he was part of the team, which I thought was
a really big step a lot. Yes, yes, and he was,
(07:04):
you know, kind of hopping. He was sort of moving
to the music, and I said, Okay, maybe he's getting
it now. So that would be an addition to the
rotation at the cornerback spot. I don't know that after
I don't know, has it been six seven weeks?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Something been about six? Yeah, yeah, I don't know that.
There's four on I R for sure. And then he
had a week before that.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And he played one, and he had a week he
didn't play, then he played, and then he didn't play,
and then they put him on IR after the concussion,
the home accident or whatever it was. So he hasn't
but not everybody's watching on the website right air quotes
(07:52):
and uh, so he hasn't played in a while, But
you know, at least you know, if they can get
him out there in nickelsit situations where he can play
outside and plan can go inside, and then you got
your choice of Revel or Kaylin Carson who's back practicing.
So that's encouraging.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
And so now.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You know, I'm going to write about this for tomorrow.
This is like a remade defense if you look at it.
They got guys that we're starting that are no longer here,
right Carier Elam I bet he started eight seven eight games, right, Yes,
Damon Clark was a starting linebacker to start the season.
(08:38):
He's not here, and Mozzi Smith's not here. These guys
were starting.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
So, I mean, you talked about this defense being revamped
with the guys that we're going to get back from
ir and I guess no one could have predicted that
we'd have been able to make the trade that we
made for Quinn Williams. But when you think about it,
when you look at it on paper, basically the names
from week one to where we are right now, it's
completely different and a complete revamped defense. And oh, by
(09:03):
the way, you get your safeties back also, which has
completely remade everything.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And that this is not just promise this, it's happened.
It's happening. They're playing there, they're coming through for us.
The proof is in the putting, so to speak. So
to watch this team play the way they're playing and
come together in such a short amount of time with
all of these different influxes of different players and players leaving,
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as you talked about, this is a this is pretty
exciting time for Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I got to ask you, guys, we got to get
into these Detroit Lions because Mickey, you've covered this team
and obviously with all the football that you've played, have
you ever seen a team like the Detroit Lions from
Dan Campbell when he took over. I mean, they not
a winning franchise and through their general manager brother from HBCU,
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great general manager, but their ownership has right at the ship.
They have had some great draft picks. They can't keep
coordinators because I guess that's the telltale sign of a
great team because they're poaching your coaches, right. But the
one thing that still remains about them in their DNA
of being a physical football team. Is there anything about
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them the way that they are made that you envy
or you look at it and say, I like that
and I wish we had a little bit of that
in US.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I would have said that around three four weeks ago. Yeah,
right now, I don't envy any team. I just don't
the things that we're doing, especially after this last game,
which by the way, is one of the best games
I've ever seen the Cowboys play, period, because of the situation,
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because Kansas City just does not lose in this type
of situation. And they came in here ready to go
back home with a victory. And I'm pretty sure that
they were cockying to think that this is a done
deal and for us to take a punch and throw
some back and and knock them out the way we did. No,
(11:09):
I don't envy any team right now. We I think
we are being envied. The pundits hate to say it,
but they have to. Oh you gotta say the Cowboys
in the NFL. And they said with a question mark, like, huh,
you know what I mean. And so the octave is
highest team in the n f NFL, NFL, you know.
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And so that's the kind of thing I like about
this team.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Unfortunately, you know, a very unfortunate incident brought them together.
But whatever the reason, Uh, they are true to it. Uh,
this is not fake. These guys are really together out there. Uh.
And I think that's what tray Von saw as he
was coming back into the fold, like, man, this ain't
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the team that I thought was back to take. You know,
we're making all these moves and it's not gonna make
any sense. All of a sudden, he's thinking, Wow, I
want to be a part of this. I'll better hurry
up and get it back. Yes, right, And you know,
I'm sure that he's always had the confidence that he
can play and do whatever he's got to do. But
I'm pretty sure his attitude from four weeks ago is
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totally different from what it is right now.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Like when they're doing stretch and he does it.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
With the team'd be nice over there with Mike.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Go to the side, and I know that doesn't sound
like a big deal. And you know in this room
is just from a team standpoint, be part of it, right,
be here in the off season.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And he's an introverted guy. Let's he really, You're right,
But when he's out there on the field, he's not
as introvert because now you're in your you're in your space.
This is this is your comfort zone. And and so
with him, I always thought that, uh, he still played
it close to the vest. It doesn't seem like that
way now you know it doesn't see it seems like
(13:03):
he's you know, he's feeling it. I mean he's really
feeling honestly.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
And I think you saw it. So we hadn't gotten
EU opinion. On the Thanksgiving Day game. You mentioned physical,
I'm gonna say tough, yeah, And I think there's a
difference because they hung tough in that game against Kansas City.
They had the lead and you know Mahomes was going
to bring him back and they hung tough, right, And
(13:27):
I thought that was a difference of not folding down
the stretch when you're.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
When you're talking about playing against that team. Yeah, that
that was a measuring stick for us. It was, and
I still you know me as I think like a
coach as a player, Okay, what's next, right, Okay, what's next?
And this this, you know, this Detroutch team is going
to be another measuring stick for us because we're not
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playing at home, right, And I always make a big
deal about that because it is a big deal. That's
why that's why teams struggle on the road because for
some reason, not having that home crowd behind you makes
a big difference. You have to be a really tough
minded team to go into a place like Detroit and
not be swayed in any way and and let your
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game work for you. I played on some teams like that,
and it's it's a special moment, you know when it's there.
I wonder if the Cowboys feel that right now that
they can actually go into Detroit, and not just because
Detroit is stumbling a little bit, I mean just because
of who you are. Forget what they're going through right now.
It's because of where we are coming from and where
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we are now.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
They didn't have much of a home field advantage on
Sunday or Thursday, Red warmed them up.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
For what's goodness. I didn't like that after the anthem
and the home of the what is going on around here?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And it was like fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Knew at the Q and A, Yeah that it was
gonna be fifty. So you already knew we had a
whole lot of Man, we have more fans there for
the Q and A than we've had all season long,
and so you knew it was gonna be attended well.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
And I bring up the point about Detroit because again
under Dan Campbell, what they have done is they have
played a brand of football that travels with everywhere they go.
The running game with Jamir Gibbs and David Montgomery, and
just the physical play style that they present. And I
from the beginning of the season to where the Cowboys
are right now, that was something that you question physicality
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and now that's the thing in the past.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
And talent as well. Look at the talent that they have.
You just named out certain players. We can name out
some that can balance everything you just talked about. Yeah,
and that's what I like about it.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
So from a from a defensive backfield standpoint, you know,
they have Jameson Williams and Almanrod Saint Brown, who is questionable.
We don't we don't know if he's gonna play, and
that's going to be huge for them on Thursday if
he can. But from a secondary standpoint with you know,
if you can get a tray Von Diggs back, if
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you know Deron Bland, Ready Stewart and company, what do
you think the mentality or the scheme that you would
play two dynamic wide receivers like that. Also, knowing that
you have a pretty damn good running game.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
To go with that, you have to let everyone play
their position. You just have to let you have to
trust the guys that are back there as well, because
there are gonna be some times well, okay, Carson might
be lined up on Williams, he might be lined up
on him, and he might be lined up on Mama
rout and okay, do you trust him? Can we blitz now?
Should we blitz now? While you got these guys playing
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one on one? Are we afraid of them? Are we
afraid for our guys? That's the kind of stuff. That's
the trust you got to have in your players right
now and after last week. That's what I like about
it because we saw we let Aj. We didn't let him,
but Aj Brown had a great game again stuff, but
yet we still won the game. It was just him though,
it was just him, and not only that, it wasn't
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him throughout the entire game. When it came down to
the end, he was not a factor. These are the
kind of things I'm talking about. We have to make
sure we stay stay within the team concept. But as
an individual, you better prioritize. If I'm playing against a
fast receiver like that, I'm gonna give him some space.
Roy Green, I had to play play against him, I
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gotta give him space because he's that dynamic. But that's
all I'm gonna give him. I'm not gonna let him
be successful. You can give him space and give up
those fifteen yarders ten yarders. They might move the chains,
but it ain't New York Giants. It ain't Russell Wilson
out there throwing deep on us and we act like
we don't know where the goal line is. That's right.
So those are kind of things that just to be solid.
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You're not gonna shut a guy like that down. You're
not gonna shut this offense down, but you better play tough.
You then shut down Kansas City at all. Holmes had
four testsdown passes. He had a hell of a game,
so to us, to me, the quarterback having a good game,
that doesn't mean that we're going to lose it. That
means that we just have to count them. So as
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you play defense, you have to understand, don't put your
offense in a bad position and trust them as well
to make the plays that they need to play make
to cover for you. Because right now this team is complimentary.
That's what you call complimentary. I got your back, you
got mine, Mickey.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I was going to ask you about Ibra Flus and
what you've seen from him and what you've obviously been
reporting on this team and the big change that's happened
in the secondary obviously since Quinn Williams has come on,
but there has been a change. We've been talking about
zone and all of that at the beginning of the year,
but he's mixing in man as well in the change
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on the defense's apparent.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well, he was trying to answer the question yesterday about
why this defense has kind of pivoted right in the
right direction, and he talked about consistency, he taught, talked
about executing, and then he finally said personnel. All right,
(19:08):
So what's the change? Is it scheme? Is it Quinn Williams?
Is it Kenny Clark being unleashed? Is it a Diggie
Zua now having can do what he does because of
what the other guys are doing. Is it Jadavian clowney
what he's doing. Is Sam Williams now played games right
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or nine games since.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Sam is right? I don't know, Hey, I don't know
what happens. Is it? Is it DeMar.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Marvin over showing on the field?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Goodness? Goodness?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Is it Logan Wilson on the field, giving a veteran
presence to the linebacker. Is it von supposed to be
Savon Revel all of a sudden and Kayln Carson playing
cornerback man? Well, I mean they're playing for guys that
aren't on the team anymore. Think about what you had
out there, and then everybody says, oh, and don't forget
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the safeties, right Donovan Wilson, Malik Hooker. Hooker missed five games.
Wilson missed two of those five also, so they were
without their starting safeties out there for quite a while.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And Malik Hooker, he's doing some things. He's doing some
things out there right now.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well, he started in the training namely aggressive. He started
in training camp with a couple of hits right on
run plays and I made him laugh. I said, no
tackling out there.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Just like that.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
He lit somebody up. And it wasn't like Williams or Sanders.
It might have been Blue or somebody else. But they've
revamped that defense. He can play man if he wants
to write, he can play zone a little bit.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
More, did I And I know I saw this. I
wonder if he a reference to it, the five man
front and the five man front that's that is that
is killing it and we're still plays on behind it.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And it's not like three down line men and two linebackers.
It's five down linemens. And you put Osa with Clark
and Williams. Okay, now you've got a problem in the middle.
That's a thousand because now everybody's man. You know, it's yeah,
(21:28):
you know, it's a thousand pounds because I just I
just look back. I look back to that Carolina game
when they ran all over the Cowboys. They double team Clark,
they double teamed Osa, and they said, we're not worrying
about anybody else. We're blowing you guys out of the middle.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
That's no.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And I was gonna say, so it's changed. I don't
know the philosophy changed. But if I got better players,
I become a better coach.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
But God's sake, our first break and uh, I'm going
to coin the phrase from James Brown, the big payback.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
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Maharrison, Mickey Spagnola, and Everson Walls is in the building.
I was asking you guys during the break the most
embarrassing Cowboys loss for.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You that you can remember, and I will go first.
I'm gonna tell you. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Monday Night, November fifteenth, two thousand and four, the Dallas
Cowboys versus the philade lf Eagles, Donovan McNabb and Terrell
Owins came into Texas Stadium and beat us down. He
didn't he didn't stand on the star at the fifty
yard line, but he did stand on the star and
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the end zone and he even ice skated.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
He even ice skated in it.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
That's how good of a game that they would have
done with McNabb in that game when sideline the sideline
and then through the ball almost sixty yards for a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
That was one of those losses a year?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Was that?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Four? Four? Yeah? Oh four?
Speaker 7 (25:28):
That was?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Was that like the seventeen second play?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It had to have been that. It was.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
It was, man, I'm telling it was one of the worst,
one of the worst. Was like sitting there witnessing, I
was like, I cannot believe we're getting beat like this.
Last year against Detroit, I had that same feeling. I'm
like the hooking ladder. Yeah, when they hooked and laddered
on us, I said, this is personal, because this is personal.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Was Uh No, Buddy wasn't coaching then, was he? When
Buddy we're doing that game.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
No, that was and reed on thousand and four, two thousand,
Andy Reid.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Andy Reid in Parcels was the.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Coaching that only that only followed the Reid's first game. Okay,
the pickle Juice game.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
So what about you guys? You got to tell me,
oh we we we we agree on the Chicago Bears
nineteen eighty five, forty four nothing.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And that was a playoff team, by the way, with
the winning record.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yes, yes, we were four they were, well we did.
Having said that in eighty five, they're getting knocked out
in the first round by the Rams and yeah, yeah, again,
who's the quarterback in that game?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
For?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Who? For the Cowboys? Gary Hogebo Hogabom? Okay? And that,
to me, that's a story within itself. And Spags is
going to disagree with me on this.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I'm trying to remember it was it because I thought
after the eighty four season they got rid of Hogaboom?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Did they?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm trying to give me that thing.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
You're gonna find out who it is. Yes, set me
set me straight, set me straight. Forty four in Chicago
now here was it here? And that was the team
that went to the Super Bowl. That was the daunted
Chicago Bears team that everyone is making the Pro Bowls
(27:19):
in the Hall of Fames on right now. Because of
that season. You got guys in the in the Hall
of Fame on the defensive line for Chicago that are
nothing compared to two Tall Jones and Harvey Martin. And
yet that season, that one season, even though they were
good players, that one season put a couple of guys
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in there, Steve McMichael as well. It was because of
that one season, That's what I believe, because they never
had a team as powerful as that come along in
Chicago before.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Since that was Hoger Boom's last season, I couldn't remember
if they had gone back to Danny.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
So it was eighty five, right Boom? Yeah, Okay, So
the fact that you said that, I'm going with my narrative.
Coaches make points, and sometimes coaches try to make a point,
even at the of their careers and career numbers they were.
(28:22):
I don't want to use it with the T word.
Coaches will not put their best foot forward if they're
trying to make a point with the team that he's coaching.
At that time, we had all gone, we were done
with Danny White and.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
He was still starting. By the way, who Danny White
eight five?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
He did not play in that game.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
You don't think he did.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I don't think he did. All right, take a look,
Well you can't. You wouldn't know because they had zero.
So it mattered here here, let me say this top
We voted Hoga Boom in and Tom Day said, okay,
you want Hoga boom Man, you take him, and he
put him out there against the dogs. That's that's that's coaching.
(29:10):
That's what coaches do. Drew Pearson got mad at me
a long time ago. He said, man, Tom Land, you
would never throw a game. He threw him out there.
He make a point, make a point because as far
as coach is concerned, is it this game or my
reputation with my team that I have to look out for.
He wanted to establish dominance as the coach on this team.
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I will go to my grave thinking that, Okay, that
game or not, whether it was that game or not,
when he sent Hoga Boom out there, he sent him
out there with not much to work with. And he
sat there and like you know how there crossed his
arms and let the play go to a tune of
forty four to zero. Man, gonna check it out right
(29:54):
now to see if that's correct. And they did this.
I think we did the same thing with Reggie Callier.
Reggie call you may have played in that game, Spags,
It may have been Reggie.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Reggie played in the final game.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Eighty six, eighty six six, so it was eighty six.
He played against Chicago, right, We played on twice.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
So both both guys played in that game. Danny was
nine to seventeen for one hundred and seven yards and
Hogeboom was six of twenty two for six yards, sixty
yards and oh my god, three interceptions. Oh my, so
he must have started and then got.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Oh my god, he was getting that. Tom was over there.
That's your man. Yeah, that's guy.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
What now now, Okay, no, it says it says Danny's
did I started, Yeah, he's.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Put We put him out there, put him out there,
that's your guy. Unbelievable straight Super Bowl shuffle. Yeah, that
was it that.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I mean, look, and I asked that question because again
last season, Detroit came in with the vendetta and it
was off of the year before. It was the substitution
whatever it was that they scored a touchdown and it
was overturned turned.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
They were still mad about that play.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
They were they were, they were but hurt human because
they screwed it up. It was their fault. It was
their fault because they tried to fake everybody out and
they faked out the head referee.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I just remember thinking, if you know, there's a there's
like the honor amongst thieves, right with coaches, Like there's
a there's universal law in football, like if I'm kneeling,
don't bring your defense, or if I'm running the ball,
that's showing that I'm not trying to even play anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Don't run the clock up on me anymore. Dan Campbell said,
the hell with that.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I am going to keep my dogs on the field
for four quarters that I am trying to rub your
face in it. And I was like, man, if i'm
Mike McCarthy, if I see him outside of this building,
I'm throwing a shot.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
If you do something like that, then damn it, you'd
better go all the way. Well he did.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
There was a game not go on. There was a game.
I think it was Sunday. Some team was leading. I
can't remember again, I don't remember who it was, but
whoever was ahead, the other team was like so far
behind it was over with, and the team from behind
kept calling time out. They're not going to catch you.
(32:20):
And the quarterback said, well, screw that, I'm throwing for
the end zone.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Right, And that's what they did.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I'm not apologizing for it. Right, They shouldn't have called
time out. I've seen that happen. Yeah, I've seen that happen.
It's like I remember I went to a freezing coal
Missouri Kansas State game. Right, it was at Missouri, and
it's freezing, and they're beating with Kansas State. I don't know,
(32:46):
I've gone to so many of years, and they're beating
them by three touchdowns, right, and and Kansas State's calling
time out and throwing for the end zone every play, right,
and I'm saying, we'll screw it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Blitz.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You know, I'm not worried about that. I'm gonna blitz.
I don't know if they could hear me from no,
they probably they probably trying to help.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Look, this is uh in this game.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
We probably haven't brought this guy up, this this and
this is but this being the last show before the game.
UH ivory LT. Then I stole that from Newie Scruggs.
He called Aiden Hutcheson Ivory.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I like it. I've real t it's hilarious. But that defense, uh,
some of us.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Even though they lost their defensive coordinator, they still have
some of the same characteristics. But I find it very
interesting some of the things that they're going through in
their secondary. Although they're stout up front, they have a
ton of injuries that they're having to deal with. As
a matter of fact, I believe it was Terry and
Arnold Arnold who just got relegated to i R yesterday,
(33:52):
that was.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Some of the news that came through shoulder. Yeah, it
was his shoulder.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
And also they're dealing Kirby Joseph, who's also their their
free safety. He's dealing with something as well. So they
are beat up on the back half of their defense. Now,
I don't know, Mickey, I'm sure you heard George Pickens yesterday,
and George Pickens was just talking about teams that play
Man versus teams that plays home and all of those things,
(34:18):
and he's I don't I won't call it arrogance. He
was just stating the facts of it. Don't matter what
they play. They haven't been able to stop it. And
I was like, they've seen it all. I could you
imagine being out there these two alpha males. Yeah, I mean,
(34:38):
I'm sure they've thrown everything at them.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
And you know, I know you guys probably talked about yesterday,
but if they thought that the matchup with those our
wide receivers and their dbs was going to be formidable,
it was not.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
No.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
We ate, yeah, we ate well. And to me, they
were talking about how good McDuffie is. Yeah, McDuffie was
trying to go. He was trying to leave early. Well,
that's what happens when you got three or four pis.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And I've come up with a new stat that they
need to keep. Somebody's keeping it. But you don't see it, right,
how many times the defense gets called for pass interference?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
The Cowboys two wide receivers. Now, I've heard that somebody
came up with something that they lead the league in
pass interference, And so I decided, though, you should get
credit for when they call pass interference and you catch
the ball, you should get extra like another five yards.
(35:46):
I caught it, all right, it doesn't matter. I want
five more yards. Agree with that, because you know, darn well,
Pickens has caught a bunch of passes right that, there
are pis and it's like, well, no, we're declining that.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I hate to say this to you, Mickey, It's called
pro football focus. They keep up with that.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I'm not I'm not, I'm not believing it, but I'm
just throwing it out there. Somebody said, but but but.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
In this, in this situation, you have an offense right
now that, even going up against a physical defense, that
their style or their mantra is we're gonna play in
the phone booth. We don't mind playing man man. They're
not gonna switch who They not switch up who they are.
That's their scheme. But how in the how do they
take the field and say we're gonna stop George Pickens
(36:38):
and Ceedee Lamb from going nuclear on us.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
The only way you can stop them is stop DAK.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
And the only way you can stop Dak is to
keep him off the field. Right. So, offensively, they they're
like us. They are like us. That's just the way
it is. They they're strong, well, we're strong in every position.
And I would even look at the coaches as well,
two very good coaches. They know that team very well
and it's close to that team. Yo, Capbell. He was
(37:07):
doing that last year, two years before that, pulling his
heart out, being emotional in front of his team, not
being afraid to show how vulnerable he is as a coach.
And here they are. They trust him. And it's the
same with Shatty.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I know we've got to go to break her, right,
But I'm going to throw this out. It's in the Lions'
weekly release and I was trying to look out where
they ranked, like points per game, total offense, passing, whatever, right,
and they compared it to the Cowboys, But I wasn't
looking at that points per game. They're tied for third, right,
(37:41):
Guess who's second the Cowboys? Yeah, all right, Total offense
they're third. Guess who's first the Cowboys. They are fourth
in rushing offense. I'll give them this one. The Cowboys
are thirteenth. Passing offense, they're seventh. Cowboys are number one.
So I was looking there thinking, oh, this offense, right,
(38:03):
and the two running backs got to deal with them.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
But the Cowboys are right up there third down offense percentage,
they're nineteenth. The Cowboys are fifth. Now where they're tops
big time is giveaways. They've only had eight. They're ranked
eight they ranked second, they're only giving up eight. The
(38:28):
Cowboys are eighteenth. They've had fifteen giveaways. But when you
look at well, think about some of those yep but
bumbles that cost them touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
But think about how we overcame those.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, no, no, they're right.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah, I did not know it's fifteen. I think that's
why the number seems big, because of the sex, the
success that we've had.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Right, that's like one and a half the game almost.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Well, we got let's take our last break, guys, but
when we come back, we got to do our picks
to click. Bill's already sent his in and he went
out on the limb again with this.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
We well, we don't get the narrative though, we don't
get the story. We don't.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
We don't, Bill, I know you watching. You got to
send the narrative and how'd you come up with that?
And we'll be right back here on mix shots.
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Speaker 4 (41:40):
This is Mixed Shots and this is the last segment
before the game on Thursday. That will not be any
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Speaker 3 (41:50):
Is that that's right, Chris? For us be premature on
that you guys are traveling, It must be true. Mick
is out here. What's time the plane leave? Mick?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Oh, I think a little bit before two o'clock.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
For two o'clock, So everybody's on the plane. I feel like, guys,
that this game is going to come down to a
head scratching decision. That's Dan Campbell. He makes some decisions
that just why. You know, like they were fourth downs
things like that. He is a gambling you know what,
(42:26):
he'll do it.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
He shows his players that he believes.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I thought gambling in the NFL was not allowed, Well.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah it's not. But risk taker, he shows his players
he believes in them, no matter what the situation.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
They have gone for it on fourth down twenty five.
They're only thirteen of twenty five. I mean, that's that
fifty percent.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Right, I mean, he that's so. I just feel like
in this game he's not going to change the spots
all of a sudden. It's not He's gonna be even
more stubborn. Come on, you know you can prime time Cabell.
You can look at Cabell and tell he's not backing
down from anything.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
But you know what it's causing. The opponents have gone
for it on fourth down thirteen for twenty three, twenty
three times. He's provoking.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
That's what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
And I hope, my hope is that he does not
provoke in this situation less the situation calls for it
down the gold line.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
You know how I feel about that.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
But I just think you have two coaches that have
shown how much they believe in their in their team
and their willingness to go forward on fourth down. A
lot was made of Shad Nahma's decision against Philadelphia when
he went forward you know, midfield, you know, basically first
drive of the game, and a lot of people didn't
agree with that. But either way, you know, this is
going to be one of those kinds of games. Anything
(43:48):
that we didn't cover, Mickey, that you you got in
the book of balling over there that you want to
get into.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Well, we haven't mentioned Jamir Gibbs's name, have we We
have not. Or David Montgomery we have not.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I don't want to bring him up. We should, I
don't want to wait, we should? That's that's you know this,
This that's thunder enlightning right there.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Run defense over the last the three game winning streak.
It's giving up right at sixty. I think I've figured
out sixty eight rushing yards a game, which is a
hell of a lot less than what they had been
giving up previously. Now, can they keep it up against.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
This office offense, right, Because the thing is, it's not
just the yardage, it's the momentum of a game. Gibbs
can change the entire momentum of a game. He can
He can make things happen just by demoralizing you with
the way he runs and how quickly it happens. It's
(44:50):
almost like you know, you're you're sitting up here about
to fight a guy, and y'all are face to face
and all of a sudden, he just slapped the hell
out of you. He wo analogy because you where they
lit come from. You're taking the back, yeah, And that's
how fast he is. You can be taking the back
about how quickly and suddenly they can score. That's why
(45:11):
you have to trust everybody on the field to be
where they're supposed to be. We should be done with
these mixed blown assignments. If everyone is where they're supposed
to be, you minimize, you don't eliminate, You minimize what
the damage they can do to you.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
And it's not just yards. They got a neat static here.
They have each rushed for more than over twenty three
twenty four twenty five combined. Right, They've each rushed for
more than thirty touchdowns. Gibbs has thirty six in three
years and Montgomery has thirty one. That's a ton of production,
(45:54):
not just yards they're getting in the end zone.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Yeah, and then the other thing about Gibbs that really
scares me is him catching the ball out of the
backfield also, And I think that's and I've said it
in this game and Bill took my guy overshown because
I feel like he is the key because you've talked
about this linebacker play for a long time and him
mirroring the running back.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
You have to see it.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
And shoot, you can't wait on this guy, Jamiir Gibbs
because by the time you wait, he's already gone. He hits,
He hits the line of scrimmage already with a full
head of steam. And Montgomery is the complete opposite being
that when it comes down to third and two, anything short,
(46:38):
I mean, he's built like a ball in ball.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
To bring him, yeah, it is hard. It is hard
for one man to bring him.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
And that is the thing about them, the combination of
them too. And as everybody talks about the running back
by committee, if I'm going to have a running back
by committee, that's what I wanted to look like just
like those guys.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
He's already got Gibbs, already got a thousand yards rush.
Oh yeah, we're not hearing about that, because if I
knew Barkley, or.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Or I knew when I saw him score was that
two weeks ago and just took off still farming people
on the way. He wasn't just he wasn't just untouched.
He was touched by three or four or five guys,
and he still came out of it and still had
enough to go to the house. So Mick, we talked
about it. He brought us all down.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
And thank you, but I thought that we were a
little bit remissed.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Fine, fine, so we bought him off.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
My revamp defense.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
Something something to be, something else to put on your
mind as we go into tomorrow and Thursday.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
But we're gonna start with you ever soon. Come on, now,
tell us about you. I want some soup, all right,
I want some soup, all right? Thirty three thirty cowboys.
Aubrey's gonna win it for us.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
That's it, Butter, You're going to all right, go on, Butter,
I am going to go in aw. I'm saying this
is a twenty four to twenty seven, game at low
that low twenty four to twenty seven, and I am
going to go with Kittle Kelsey. I think you're going
to be concentrating on those wide receivers and your tight
(48:10):
end is going to have opportunity to bust this game open.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
So I'm going with ferguson the Cowboys scores not first,
I take.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
No no, I said, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, yeah,
this Cowboys win, all right.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I got Cowboys thirty five, thirty one, and I am
going to take Davante Williams.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Davonte Williams. By the way, I was at an event
in Fort Worth last night and everyone loves turping. Yes,
everyone loves turping, and boy all we could do was
just bag on his butt all night long last night.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Well, and this will make you guys laugh.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
This is for you.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Our mail bag question for today was Turpin seems to
be involved in the offense so much it's taken away
from his special teams returns. Do you think he should
be concentrating on special teams? My answer was absolutely not.
I want the ball in his as much as I can.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Man, When he catched that ball, it's twenty yards right there. Everybody,
whoa what does happened?
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Well, how about the fumble recovery?
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Yes? Huge much? Hey that's that's that just offsets, It
just upsets because he made one. He got one right.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
Naden frisco Is always said, Hey, it's gonna be about
a matter of time.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
You put him at running back. Somebody gonna show him
it's coming. Now. Way, let's put Bill Bill's bill thirty
to twenty seven, Agent zero. That's what Bill has, Yes.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
Right, all right, Cowboy Nation will be back for Friday
victory Friday. Here on mixed shot, Oh Cowboys, Cowboy Nation,
I hope your team wins.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Put your shoulder, h
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