October 8, 2025 • 48 mins
Guys couldn’t help themselves talking fingers and chest punches, lapsing into old school corporal punishment and the deeper meaning of this upcoming game against Carolina. Then went way old school when Nate in Frisco couldn’t refrain from stopping in during the discussion about going all in on picking up more defensive help and thoughts on Rico Dowdle.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Hecma Harrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
It is a back to work Wednesday star in Frisco
as we get you ready for those Carolina Panthers. At
some point this week we will talk about the Carolina Panthers,
even though I don't think it's on the.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Rundown for today, it will be a.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Bill Jones, Everson Walls, hec Ma Harrison, and the star
of the show with so many game releases and legal
pads in front of him, Mickey Spagnola's ready to break down.
These Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Make everybody sounds so important.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I like that got all the put that he put.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
It all in there.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I like that emphasis emphasis.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
We've got football players about to be on a football
field here. We got a lot to get to.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's right in an hour, yep in less.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Than an hour to get there. We've got a Brian
Shottenheimer press conference in the midst of our hour too.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Right, thirty minutes away.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Okay, and so we'll have some breaking news as we
go along here.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
It won't be.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
After the show. We'll be during the show with something
the news.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
What do you think he's going to give us some
injury updates?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
No, no, but better not be any new injury updates.
Jerry gave us a little bit of an injury update yesterday.
There was some hope for some players to come back
this week.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Across your fingers, across my mind.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
I got about don't say nothing about fingers.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Stop with that.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I thought that's where you were going with.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
No, he was not that it was jump wasn't okay bad?
Then you got so.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So the clue that you got was when he said
an offensive lineman. And then he left it up to
us to guess which offensive lineman, because you have so
many to choose from when it comes down the injured
offensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Maybe he does he think, in his eyes the most
important offensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Tyler Smith.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Tyler Smith, yea, at least when you're paying the most
money to Yeah or Git.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
It's a concussion protocol. So maybe in a week it
cleared up one of those two guys. I see BBI
was out there rehabbing and he didn't have a Boudan.
But he's on I R, so it doesn't matter. It
doesn't matter at this point. Booker CD rehabbed last week,
(02:52):
so we'll see where it goes. He mentioned turpin fingers crossed.
I wonder which fingers crossed.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
It was to be a thumb supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
A Yeah, that's just his way of saying we're number one.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Well this is the first digit, right, I mean, uh huh, yeah,
it's not the other.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Remember when Dandy Donne said that Monday Night football I
think it was a Houston oiler game, and they caught
a shot of a fan flipping off the camera and
Dandy don in his inimitable way, he said, Howard, that's
just his way of saying we're number one.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
A different finger.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
That's he was.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Having too much fun in the booth. Howard was too serious.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And he was, Ah, those were the good old day.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well at least Jerry said he's appealing to fine about that.
Got witnesses.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, I bet Johnny's explanation was clear to me.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I do that all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, that's how your point.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
No, when I get cut off in traffic, I give
him the thumbs up all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
All the time. It's all the time, more more often
than you think.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
You know, you say you use a thumb, which clearly
does not resemble the rest of the digits. He skipped
over a lot of fingers, tipped over a couple of
them before.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
You got that.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I can't believe no one has a picture of it.
Everybody takes a picture of everything.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Right, But it was a video, a picture video d.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I didn't watch the video.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
He's a man of print.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And by the way, below the below the suite. When
did it take place at the end of the game, Well,
there were no there were It was all cowboy fans. Yeah,
it was all cowboys and as uh.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
As Jerry said on one O five three the Fan yesterday,
there there was no back and forth, you know, there
was no animosity. He was just basically saluting cowboy fans.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
The fans that left before they even scored those Oh
yeah they did.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Okay, So then he's flipping off side cowboys fan. That's right, Okay,
must have been waiting to go.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
If you do that to me all the time, I.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Would do that to all of y'all. But it was
still come from love.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
That's what I'm That's what you knew those guys the
way I know you love.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Do you think Jonathan Gannon is appealing his fight? Who
was that Jonathan Gannon, the Arizona coach?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, Mari Demarcado drops the ball and gets it knocked down.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
The typical Jimmy Johnson flay up.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Did you ever have a coach grab your face mask
do something wrong here?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Son?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That used to happen?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, I did, Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Did you never you never had to happen? Hell no, no, no,
I'm talking about in any level. No, Wow, get coach,
none of that, none of that punching you.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Jimmy and I got we we we were bumping. But yeah,
Jimmy was to do that right.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
No, no, no, Jimmy never put his hands on anybody
that I would call.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So Bill Parcells better be glad than he did this
twenty years ago when he h He instructed his assistant
coaches one year that I don't want to hear anybody
else talking to the officials. If there's got to be
talk to the officials, I'm gonna talk Haley official.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Dodd Haley on the sideline and the.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Next game Todd Haley starts barking at the officials and
Bill goes over there. It punches in the chest to
get them away from the officials. I told you, right her, And.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
That's a coach.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Well y the player, right?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Is there an assistant coaches union?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
No, it's not, it's not.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
There might be. No, there's no anyway. So he tells
the story afterwards.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
It was too Yeah, it was, hey, we got to
know who it is.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Your aim a little higher.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And he said his daughter daughter called him, goes dad,
He goes, do we need to go back into the therapy.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
But he didn't get fined.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
No, and he shouldn't have got fined for that either.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But there are a lot of opinions about that. What
happened on the sideline in Arizona. You're hearing a lot
of old players, you know, current players have an opinion about,
you know, keep coaches keeping their hands to them cells.
And you know there's this this mind state of the
old guard of coaches that you know, I'll get right
up in your face, you know, chew you out. I mean,
I came up in a time where coaches carry paddles around.
(08:11):
You know what I mean teachers, yeah, all of that. Yeah,
so so it's a it's it really is. It really
is a different day and a different philosophy according to
which generation you fall into on you know, how you
do things and sideline etiquette and all of that stuff.
And it's you know that fumble and I think what
(08:32):
what Gannon was doing? He was it was it was
the fumble. He dropped the ball before he got to
the end zone. And it's a boneheaded play. We've seen
it time and time again. It's infuriating a wh week before.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
And that's that video from the wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It happens. It happens more often now than than definitely
definitely in that. Don't understand why, but it's it's just
guy s Guy's ready to celebrate.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, but he wasn't dropping them now, this was I think. Look,
if you look at the replay the dB knock, I
don't I think he got a hand in there. I
think he if you slow it down at a certain angle,
there it was. But it was it was already dropping it.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I can't remember where I heard this, and I don't
know if it was pertaining to Arizona or somebody else.
But after seeing what happened. Was it Indianapolis? You said
yes the week before, yeah, yeah, yeah, that the coaches
are in this particular case, said you better not drop
the ball and still until you're on the letters like
(09:39):
of the name of the team, right, And I don't
know if that was him telling that Arizona guys or what,
but yeah, and then he drops it.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Seriously, I mean, and that would have given Arizona a
twenty eight to six lead in the game that.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
They wanted to be talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And as it turned out, touchback and sixteen point rally
by the previously winless Tennessee Titans, and you lose. What
a horrible loss.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Human nature is something, isn't it. I Mean, let's just
think about that. They weren't playing with the crap talking
about Tennessee and all of a sudden that happens.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Now you even Tennessee even throws a pick in the
red zone that Dadrian Dimmerson Taylor out of Texas Tech
intercepts and then he gets hit and he's going to.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
The ground and he fumbles it away.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
The ball gets kicked around and Tyler Lockett, Tyler Lockett,
even when they did something bad, something good, happened for Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Man, that was the weirdest game ever. That was the
weirdest game ever. When you getting back to what Heck
was talking about, that kind of old school where you
could just a bunch of guy in time. He felt
like and felt, you know, just on impulse. You know
that stuff spreads, it spreads. You know, it was spreading
in society, right. So we're trying to be a better society.
(10:59):
So you know, you can't just because you can go
up there and punch somebody, you know, because you're his boss.
That's just nothing, you know, So we have to as
a nation. We were trying not to be as impulsive.
So we stopped doing all of that coming from especially
a high profile game or whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
So you got a guy punching a coach or punch
a player.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Next thing, you know, you got little league coaches punching
little league players. I mean, because that's what was happening.
You know, they get so mad about at the kid.
They forget that that's not your kid. Man, you can't
be touching them like that. And so you go up
to high school and things of that nature. Things start
getting a little heated, not just on the field, off
the field, so they had to stop all of that.
(11:42):
You got to stop all of that. That's why I
hope old school guys that you will listen to with saying,
hey man, you cannot come up to a player like that,
because nowadays you will get an answer from somebody was
named DeMarco DeMar Mercado de Marcado. He just happened to
be a kid who was so down that he took.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
That, but.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Didn't get in the face of that.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
The guy had his arms around him.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I thought he'd be like, hey, coach, chill out on that,
you know, because that's what the big man do, big
offensive line.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
When they'll do that, they'll take care of you.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
But you know, Everson, have you ever thought that you know,
coaches know who they can do?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Then no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You know. I was looking at James Harrison has a
podcast and he James Harrison played for the Pittsburgh Man.
He said, you know I would have I would have
gone to jail. You know a player, you know, a
player like him, Well, I guess that he would have
gone to jail.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
In respond, he was reacting to who to.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The coach to the coach, Yeah, it's so basically saying
that the coach had punched me in the chest like that,
you know, they would have been scraping me off of him. Pause.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
It just here's how that went down. The coach was
upset and then he can come get in your face.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
That's all good.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
But I think as he saw how damaged the player was,
he kept going.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
He felt like he kept going. If he would have.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Met with resistance right away, then that would have been brief.
But because the player didn't answer back and his head
is down and all of that, that just seemed like
it gave the coach permission to continue.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And then but one hundred thousand dollars was his fine
for the team, the team, and the team invoked one
hundred thousand dollars, and Jerry gets a quarter of a
million dollars for the bird.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Wellcause he's an owner, okay, all right, all right, And
that only because.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
It's one hundred thousand dollars affect Jonathan Gannon more than
Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Bricks from the bricks.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, it was a rare I like that one. It
was a rare bird, that's all.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, yesterday, he mom, Hey, you you were yesterday at
the end of the show. You wanted to give a
tight end coach some love.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Did you forget about that? But you were all up
in arms about it. I didn't put it on the
in the rundown.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I was supposed to remember. Yes, I'm gonna remember he's
not going to be here on you tells me on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You need a body because write it down last minute.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Hey, on Friday on our group text eversin text us
on Tuesday that he won't be here next month. And
the reason yeah, and the reason Everson did that was
because he'll forget to tell us on my man said, well,
I'll forget by Monday.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I appreciate that manner. Wenda is it Lunda in London? Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
The fact that the the tight ends are part of
what's happening in that running game. They're playing a lot
of two tight end offense and they're blocking and they
have a responsibility for that. And you know, he's a
former offensive line coach, by the way, when he was
with the Giants before he came here and took on
(15:15):
tight ends. And so once again it's people who you
hire at these coaching positions and what their intention is
to emphasize the running game, and it's working, at least
to this point with with Williams already four hundred and
(15:37):
forty seven yards rushing. I mean, that's that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
What they have in a long time.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
No, not this early, right, I mean even last year
when Rigo went for a thousand. It didn't happen till
the second half of the season and they finally figured out,
oh we might get this guy the ball.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
So so got many coaches were retained from the last
coaching staff.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
It's like three or four.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And that tells you a lot about lound Wells.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
When he was coaching Schultz, he was having the more
they were having the more difficult time with blocking tight
ends because Schultz was He's known for being there.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
That's the tight end.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Bill's guy made the team, span Ford, you know they
found the Now my guy guy he corrected me to
say his first or last name, second to last second
announce it's hyphenated. It's part of his last and uh
and that's why span Span.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
How are you pronouncing? Okay, well, maybe it is spawn
the coach.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Coach, you can't correct him and then you go take it.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Back Schottenheimer calls him spawned Ford and to look this
up in the break, I'm going to look it up.
I'm going to confirm it. Although why would it even
be in there. It looks like span. He's got two
ends on it. They have pronunciation and well.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Coach Wells is a great coach, clearly, and I think
you were alluding to that when you were talking about
him coming over well staying with all brand new coaches
coming in, and it echoes the fact that he has
these guys playing so well. Him and Jake Ferguson, to
me have always had a very special relationship and you
could tell over the years it has done nothing but
(17:26):
just expand. And obviously, as we were talking about Gannon
and the head coach for Arizona, I just think in
this day and age, man, good coaches are so hard
to find because you know, so many things, so many
things have changed about football. You don't have the same
practice structure as you once had back in the day.
Players are different mentally than what they were back in
(17:48):
the day. His ability to reach through to these guys
and and you know, the Luke school makers, the spand
Forwards of the world and get them to get out
on the field and also perform. It's just, you know,
Ferguson in these first four games, in these first five games,
I think that's where you've seen the most growth in
a player, and it is because of coach Wells, his
blocking ability, all of that, and when you talk about
(18:12):
it being just pretty much carrying over to the running game,
I think if they continue down this track, because that's
the one thing that you always said about these tight
ends for the Cowboys is that they really didn't have
a true blocking tight end, but they are serviceable enough
for to make an impact in the running game. I
like that about his style. I like that he carries
(18:32):
himself as kind of under the radar as a coach,
you know, as a person and if you ever met him, yeah,
I mean, if you ever met this man, you know,
he's one of the most likable and you could just
start a conversation with him immediately. And I think that's
the one thing that his players gravitate to is the
(18:53):
kind of person that he is.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
And what really helps this year though, is Ferguson's being healthy.
Yea last year number one, Yeah, he played through a
lot last year. This year, you can tell he's a
different player. The blocking is there, his routes, you know,
they seem to be better. His hands are more consistent. Uh,
you know, we just always want to work on him
being a little bit more elusive. Sometimes we want more
(19:17):
than we can get from players. But I think we're
getting the most that we can get out of Ferguson.
This is his best year.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
And I think the other thing that signals that is
when they go three tight ends, they're not bringing in
yet an offensive lineman would be the third guy to block. Right,
they got three tight ends out there.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
We got a couple of big tight ends.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
He should Lunda's just another good Louisiana boy.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Got a big old cowboy hat an he loves it
and his cowboy boots. I mean, he's a disciplined guy.
Uh was overweight at one time, lost a lot of weight.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
The guys walking out here looking good looking lean to me.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
And I think that's a good example for your players
to show that kind of discipline.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Did you find it.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
There's no fanatical guide on him, and so that me
not and span Ford, Okay, when we come back, will
we go behind door number one, door number two or
door number three, either one of them okay when nick
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Speaker 3 (22:52):
Let's go, okay, let's go behind door number one, door
number two or door number three. Okay, and this comes
from our group text hechma has been very diligent throughout
the season. That's right, and you got it broken down.
Segment one, Segment two, Segment three, we just fly through
(23:13):
the stop signe.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I won't quit.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Bug the hell we went. We went off script as
we usually do in segment one, so now I thought
segment two, we you have your choice. Okay, do you
want to just blindly pick?
Speaker 7 (23:32):
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Speaker 2 (23:33):
Let's go? Okay, we're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Segment three, which is, let me give you what Door
number one had, tail of two sides, Door number two,
trade or trusty Door number three?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
One move away?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Subtitled how much pressure is on Eberflus right now? Can
the offense keep carrying the weight? Is this defense just
one defensive piece away from making a push for the division?
So the vote vote is door number three, yes, one
move away? How much pressure is on Eberflus right, It's
(24:11):
a lot.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I think it's a whole lot of pressure.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Because you have an offense that's having to carry the load,
you know, and we want to come in here with
a running game, and we changed everything about the offense.
Everyone on that's on the offensive side of the ball
has stepped up. Everyone their performance has stepped up. Individually,
as a group, they've stepped up. You got your quarterback
plan better than they ever had. You got a new
(24:36):
receiver coming in and Pickings who's doing exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
What we brought him in here to do.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
And we're making them work way too hard for the
record that we have.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
And so what's the reason for that defense?
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Why can't you get these guys right at least in
the first four games? Why can't you get these guys right?
And the pressure to me, he is on him to
get it right and quickly before you run out of
offensive players. Maybe that's why we're getting hurt so much
on their line. We're going into overtime. We've been too
overtimes already. You don't want to put that kind of
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charge on your offense, I don't think this early in
the season.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So do you believe he has the material to get better?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
I do. I always believe.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
And if you communicate with your players even if some
are more talented than others. For some reason, I always
looking at Miami's back and I'm going way back Miami's
no name defense back in the day. All those guys
were good players, but they were a great defense. Somehow
they could communicate with each other from coach to player
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to where everyone was solid in what they do. Eban
Flus has been known to be that kind of coach.
No matter what was going on in Chicago on offense,
his defense was always able to hold the line. They
were the strength of that team. That is not the
case this year.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
So far, so far, so far. That's a good point.
So far.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And you were playing with a bunch of backups.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
At cornerback, no doubt, right, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
And now you've discovered I might have some young guys
at linebacker that can play right. So you know, is
it the coaching or is it your personnel?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
It's somehow communications crated away.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You're supposedly your best defensive player, he said, supposedly.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Here's my thing. I don't care if you're getting paid
in the NFL. And we went over this week two
and three. You still need to know where you're supposed
to be.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
You don't have to be an all pro to know
that it's fourth down and twenty five and not to
get be not to let anyone get behind you. Those
are the kind of things are extremely elementary, SPACs, extremely elementary,
and that's why I was so disappointed those first four games.
Things got better this last game. Hopefully that's the shape
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of things to come. But I don't care who's playing
out there, if they're getting paid in the NFL. I
could take a college player to be in position. He
might not make the play, but he's going to be
where he's supposed to be. That is something. I'm surprised
that there's a communication gap between the players and the coaches.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I'm surprised about that.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I think this week will be the litmus test.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Wow, if.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Last week was it one of those things? Was it
who you're playing or.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
You finally getting get communication? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Getting it? You do it two weeks in a row,
and I think this will be somewhat of a good
test because they Carolina has showed they can run the ball.
Bryce Young, I don't know how well he's playing at quarterback.
His numbers don't shine, but he might be a step
above justin fields and they've got a pretty darn good receiver. Yes,
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they do right and so, and they may get another
guy back this week. I was seeing somebody that was
on IR was going to start practicing this week, So
this might be a better test or a test to
see are they making steps or are they are who
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they were.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
It's a good team to test that out on, to
test that theory out on. This is a good team
and a good situation being on the road.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I think my confusion with this team is that doctor
check O, mister Hyde mentality of what's happening. The offense
is number one and your defense is thirty second, and
it's like if we could put two different jerseys on
this team. It feels like the separation is right down
the middle. And I'm not trying to divide and conquer
this team. I'm just basically saying, from a talent standpoint
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on defense, you're just not seeing these guys make any
improvement past last weekend. And we all say, hey, we
say that they made an improvement, but then we're reminded
that it was the Jets, right. And so when you
say the litmus tests is this week, you're talking about
the talent and the way that this team is playing
versus the way that the Jets were playing. But I
think if the Cowboys defense just shure up the line
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of scrimmage the defensive line, you put more pressure. Dante
Fowler comes out of the phone booth again this week
and plays like Dante Fowler, and you continue to put
that pressure, you start to see those improvements on the
battle now now offensively, offensively, what more can you ask
for when your quarterback is playing behind four replacements in
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the offensive line and he's still clean at the end
of the game. So I'm and I asked her, and
I put this on the rundown because I'm like, when
does Jerry get to the point where he says, look,
my offense, I may not get this in my quarterback
against ten years in the league. This is I got
to strike while it's hot, and it's hot right now.
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And if we're thirty second in defense, if we could
get to seventeenth fifteenth as a defense, I think that
gives you the push that you're talking about. I didn't
say playoff. I didn't say super say I said division.
If you could win the NFC East, if you could
take down Philly, you could take down the commanders, it'll
beat the Giants again by improving your defense. Do you
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go out on the limb and make that move before
the trade deadline?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Soy are you saying one guy's gonna come in there
and change this whole deal?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And it may and it may be one guy that
can improve your defense from a pass rush standpoint.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
If he's that good, he's going to be available you.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I mean, you got all the equity to make it.
Him be a fan.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
You have four backup offensive linemen, they're the playing very well.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Right. Oh no, I get it.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
So my point is, you don't I don't care where
you're coming from.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I don't care where you're drafted, if you're getting paid.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
No, he's talking about making a trade.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yes, I'm talking.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
I don't know about making the trade I'm talking about
You've got four players that played their asses off last week.
I'm saying that you can do the same on defense
with backups that we're playing with right now. That's all
I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Why why would I
limit my defense to be better with backup players? Why
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would I limit them to not being able to play?
Why can't we just get better that these guys, are
the four offensive line of the four backups come on?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Well?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Maybe they did. That's why I'm saying this week's gonna
be the tell tales. And are they getting better or
was it just one?
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Why? Why couldn't Clowny be that guy? How did Clowney
play in the game?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
He hadn't mentioned them? You had, And because you hadn't
mentioned them, it tells you everything you need to know
about how he performed last week. I don't I don't know,
you know, I mean, it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
We always have all of that, well we have well
we just look it up. Yeah, I'm surprised that that
didn't come up already.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Ain't that right?
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Nate?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
See they talking to you.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I don't know what I did.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Two snap thirty nine had two tackles, yes, Nate Newton, No,
no Russes, no pressure is no no.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Y'all having a great show, lean in, y'all having a
great and still having a great show, great debate. You
guys are mixing well. But we ain't gonna give up
now now, raph Charles, this year, not now, not now.
We done did two years in the row, fourth fourth
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round pick and ain't got no results. We ain't gonna
give up our future for if this team ain't trying
to get to the NFC Championship Game, and if they're
not trying to get to the super Bowl, why would
you chance it? Why would you chance? But if you
have the number one offense in the league and you're
talking about your defenses being what's what's holding you back
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and winning the division the NFC East, If there's a
defensive piece that you could add to this team that
could make you marketably better, why wouldn't you do that?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So what's yeah, and what's the piece?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Look, guys, when Quinn Williams was one of the guys
that you could have gotten in a trade right before
Micah right, what type of impact do you think of
Quinn Williams would have made in the interior?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
What do you think you were going to give up
same thing you gave.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Up from me.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
That's why it did happened. That's why the trade didn't
happened for them, because they wasn't gonna give us what
so you're saying and we can't talk about this guy.
We cannot talk about this guy because he's with someone.
But if we had that style of monster out there,
you're gonna have to give up a first, and you're
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gonna have to give up a second. Defense is thirty
second right now? Yeah, Okay, you're in the league and
right now they are thirty one with Quinn Williams the Jets. Yeah,
I mean they're bad. They're bad right now. One player,
one player cannot make that difference. Okay, not on our defense,
not now, because we had a player of tremendous caliber,
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great extra probably the second best pass rush in the league.
So I can't even talk about him. I can't even
talk about him because if he's on this team, what
difference does he make on your defense right now? I
mean we're talking. This is this thirty second in the league.
So everything is up from here on. Everything should be
on the table.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Ten sacks instead of five sacks last week.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Oh my goodness. Yeah, no, no, no, no, what I'm saying.
I'm feeling you. Yeah, I'm feeling everything you saying. But
if we were ranked defensively right now at like say twenty,
I'm on and popping with you. But it's too many
holes right now in this defense.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
He's saying, one player is not one players.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, and the assets that you're gonna have to get
get rid of to get that type of monster. I'm
talking about the game changing you. We have had our
runs of Lord, please forgive me. We've had a great
past rusher that didn't make a difference, fellas, we cannot
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have if you were going to get a dude, say
in the Ohio area. You know what I'm saying, y'all
know who I'm talking about. If you were going to
get that dude, give up all the draft Come on, man, Okay,
So I framed it. So I framed it. So I
framed it. We have the number one offense and we
have the thirty second def So the disconnect, the disconnect between.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
What's that record?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Is he talking about South?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
No, no, no, okay, no.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
No, no, What's what's the record?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
What is who's record?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
The Cowboys?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Two too and one to two and one?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
So one more player maybe four and oh four and one?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah, I mean you're the The truth is is that
your offense is carrying the waterfalls, you know, And so
that's that's what. So you asked me a rhetorical question,
I give you the answer that you you're asking me for.
And I'm basically telling you that if your defense was
a tenth of the better.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Okay, okay, okay, Let's look at it this way. All right,
you had one of those players, okay, and you trade
them away, right.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That's right, Okay, didn't make you better.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
That's what I'm saying is if you had not made
that trade and he was signed and he was happy here,
what would the record be right now?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
He'd have definitely won you one of those games unknown,
one you wanted Unknown. It's so great here you that
you cannot chance your future.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
You got this play out. Let's say that's where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
You gotta let it play out. If you let this
play out. And let's say the Cowboys are at the
halfway point in whichever that can be, because it's seventeen
games now, so I don't know what the halfway point is.
But let's say the ninth game and the Cowboys are
four and five. Now you go to say, whoa you
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get what to say? You're gonna man, and I don't
know when to trade? Deadline November. Now you may start
talking that way, but as of right now, our defense coach,
Eve Flush, you know I'm riding with you, but I
got to say something bad. Our defense is terrible, bro
beyond terrible. If it was a thirty fifth team, we
would be that team.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
And this is where I am am with you too.
You know, November November fourth happens to be the start
of the Cowboys by week. There's you said, Mickey, you said,
this is the litmus test Carolina. I'd say the litmus
test is the next four games you have to look at,
and especially the next two games after Carolina. You got
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Washington coming in here, and then you're going to Denver,
and then you've got Arizona and a Monday night game
the night before the trade deadline on the on November fourth,
and that's where you have in the next four games.
You're two two and one right now. Where are you
going to be at the trade deadline? And that's when
you make your decision. Do we have it or do we.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Not have We'll have that discussion again, brother, That's what
I'm saying. Your discussion is compelling because you hit me
and you talk off air all the time, the arrogance
of me being a Dallas Cowboy fan. It's saying, wow,
Eagles loss, Cowboys won. Oh the Eagles, Finn go down
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and the Cowboys. That's just the arrogance.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Of who we are.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And here's the common sense in me saying, don't make
that move too soon.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
And here's the most important part of it is you
don't know what your needs are gonna be November fourth,
because injuries happen in this league. And what looks like
you need a pass rusher right now, Well, you may
need a cornerback by then, you may need lineback. What
you may need a defensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Who knows. Yeah, I'm dealing. I'm dealing with you out
and see I'm dealing with the right now of it.
And Nate, thank you for coming in. Man, you said
you know what, Man, I'm telling you. Man, the conversation
was so great. I'm like, Mickey, all he doing is
writing stuff down. I can come get this right stuff now.
So I'm like, let me go get out your moment.
That is. That is a great discussion man. Him on
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the rundown, I say one every morning I should do
the same.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
You know what, you know what heck's gonna do.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
We're not doing it yet.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
We're gonna have a segment. Yeah, I heard, Yeah, We're
gonna have a segment.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Compares me way back, well, way back Wednesday, where HECMA
picks a current player and.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
We're gonna compare them with a player from the past.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I'm voting offense. I'm gonna give you three players, not
that I'm gonna give you three right now.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Not to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Don't do it with Bob Lily because it ain't nobody.
Don't do it with anybody man because it ain't nobody.
Don't do what Everson calls it ain't nobody.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
I'll do.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
All right, And there goes to the six time pro
bowler who might be the first way back Wednesday and
more mix shots and just drive.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
There you go.
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Speaker 3 (42:54):
Well, I'm not saying let's see. We got injury updates
right here, Okay, all right from Tommy Ash. Okay, you
can always count on Tommy. He's at Brian Schottenneimers press
conference right now. Cowboy injury updates from Shoddy Tyler Geiton
is finishing up concussion protocol, hopefully will be out soon.
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Jack Sanborn is in concussion protocol. A few injured players
may be able to get back this week. Added Guys
may be on the grass at practice, but that doesn't
mean they're cleared to play that shot. He added that
they may be on the grass of practice, but that
doesn't mean they're cleared to play. Still taking your time
with Savone Rebel likes how he's moving around. Boy, that
(43:38):
would be nice. It would be nice, Savone Rebel.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
That would be an addition.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Of course, he's a rookie, never played in an NFL game.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
But well, the most intriguing thing for me right now
is Guidon, Tyler, Geydon and Nate Thomas. Nate Thomas really
showed you a lot, and not only in preseason, but
it showed you a lot in this last game. So, uh,
him coming back from concussion protocol and you know the
way that they maneuver through that with Guyton I'm sure
(44:08):
his spot's not in danger h at all. But getting
that young guy back in the lineup, uh, and knowing
now that you have a really serviceable to good backup
Nate Thomas.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
And he can go both ways right, left and right.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Oh yeah, yep.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
And in fact, the week before they actually before the
guid and injury happened, they put him. They put Nate
Thomas at right tackle spelled Terrence Steel for a little
bit by a playze or so one series.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
And had him prepared to do that practice.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
And then he wound up finishing the game at left
tackle and then played the entire last game at left tackle.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
I heard somebody say, well, they played so well with
those backups, and they were like, what do you need
your starters for.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Now?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
That position? I mean it was being there was competent
Titian there in training camp. Phil Geiden got her okay,
left tackle, yeah, because they were playing. They were giving
him first team Nate Thomas first team stats.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
And I d Entergy was playing some left tackle then,
I mean they got some position versastibility.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
He plays.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
He played guarden, but he's done. He's gonna play their
tackle or guard. That gives.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
We talked about this last year about well, he can't
play this side because he only plays this side. And
I talked about how cornerbacks we played both sides all
the time. Safeties played left and right safety all the time.
I don't know why, So I just never saw why
it's so unusual.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Would you say cornerbacks are better athletes than offensive blindmen.
Let's get Nate back in here.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Oh, you mean from left and right.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
That's a tough one. You know what?
Speaker 1 (45:48):
And I don't remember who they were talking about it
was how uh one of those linemen line up, And
they were saying, and we're talking offense, okay, they were
saying that normally this guy stance, he's more square to
the line of scrimmage. So it allows you to play
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left or right easier than being dominant on one side
and having your one foot further.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Again, dbs do that all the time, right, Yeah, we
do it all the time.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
So if you stay square, whatever side you're on.
Speaker 5 (46:26):
It shouldn't matter, whatever matter, It shouldn't matter whatever your
foots forward.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Just you know, you're an athlete. You asked me the
question is Larry Allen? Was Larry Allen a better athlete
than Darren Woodson? You see?
Speaker 5 (46:41):
So you can't just say because we're lighter, you know
that we were more athletic.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
It's You've got some guys out there, big offensive linemen
who were All pros and Pro Bowlers and Hall of
Famous who were damn good athletes.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Okay, let's just say run of the mill cornerbacks versus
run of the you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
So, and one of the things that I was going
to point out when we were talking about the backups,
how well they played. Now there's tape out there. Yeah right,
So now they know how these guys play and they
got a week to study it. Now, can you do?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Right?
Speaker 4 (47:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Pas in the eye in the sky online.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
And now not just the way they played, but the
way the Cowboys schemed it.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
To write protect them because a lot of it had
to do with the scheme and what they did and
what they were trying to help them out.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
But tomorrow on mix Shots, we should talk about Derek Brown,
We should talk about Bobby Brown, the third the nose tackle.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Out of Arlington Lamar High School, Texas. And we should
talk about the NFC Offensive Player of the week. You
know who that is? We were going to now, no,
Rico Dowdle Carolina Panthers. I can see that after a
two hundred and six year rushing performance. So buckle up
(48:03):
for the next edition of mix Shots on Thursday at noon.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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And the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones,
Hecma Harrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
It is a back to work Wednesday star in Frisco
as we get you ready for those Carolina Panthers. At
some point this week we will talk about the Carolina Panthers,
even though I don't think it's on the.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Rundown for today, it will be a.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Bill Jones, Everson Walls, hec Ma Harrison, and the star
of the show with so many game releases and legal
pads in front of him, Mickey Spagnola's ready to break down.
These Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Make everybody sounds so important.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I like that got all the put that he put.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
It all in there.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I like that emphasis emphasis.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
We've got football players about to be on a football
field here. We got a lot to get to.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's right in an hour, yep in less.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Than an hour to get there. We've got a Brian
Shottenheimer press conference in the midst of our hour too.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Right, thirty minutes away.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Okay, and so we'll have some breaking news as we
go along here.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
It won't be.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
After the show. We'll be during the show with something
the news.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
What do you think he's going to give us some
injury updates?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
No, no, but better not be any new injury updates.
Jerry gave us a little bit of an injury update yesterday.
There was some hope for some players to come back
this week.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Across your fingers, across my mind.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
I got about don't say nothing about fingers.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Stop with that.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I thought that's where you were going with.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
No, he was not that it was jump wasn't okay bad?
Then you got so.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So the clue that you got was when he said
an offensive lineman. And then he left it up to
us to guess which offensive lineman, because you have so
many to choose from when it comes down the injured
offensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Maybe he does he think, in his eyes the most
important offensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Tyler Smith.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Tyler Smith, yea, at least when you're paying the most
money to Yeah or Git.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
It's a concussion protocol. So maybe in a week it
cleared up one of those two guys. I see BBI
was out there rehabbing and he didn't have a Boudan.
But he's on I R, so it doesn't matter. It
doesn't matter at this point. Booker CD rehabbed last week,
(02:52):
so we'll see where it goes. He mentioned turpin fingers crossed.
I wonder which fingers crossed.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
It was to be a thumb supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
A Yeah, that's just his way of saying we're number one.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Well this is the first digit, right, I mean, uh huh, yeah,
it's not the other.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Remember when Dandy Donne said that Monday Night football I
think it was a Houston oiler game, and they caught
a shot of a fan flipping off the camera and
Dandy don in his inimitable way, he said, Howard, that's
just his way of saying we're number one.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
A different finger.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
That's he was.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Having too much fun in the booth. Howard was too serious.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And he was, Ah, those were the good old day.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well at least Jerry said he's appealing to fine about that.
Got witnesses.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, I bet Johnny's explanation was clear to me.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I do that all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, that's how your point.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
No, when I get cut off in traffic, I give
him the thumbs up all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
All the time. It's all the time, more more often
than you think.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
You know, you say you use a thumb, which clearly
does not resemble the rest of the digits. He skipped
over a lot of fingers, tipped over a couple of
them before.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
You got that.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I can't believe no one has a picture of it.
Everybody takes a picture of everything.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Right, But it was a video, a picture video d.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I didn't watch the video.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
He's a man of print.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And by the way, below the below the suite. When
did it take place at the end of the game, Well,
there were no there were It was all cowboy fans. Yeah,
it was all cowboys and as uh.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
As Jerry said on one O five three the Fan yesterday,
there there was no back and forth, you know, there
was no animosity. He was just basically saluting cowboy fans.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
The fans that left before they even scored those Oh
yeah they did.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Okay, So then he's flipping off side cowboys fan. That's right, Okay,
must have been waiting to go.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
If you do that to me all the time, I.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Would do that to all of y'all. But it was
still come from love.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
That's what I'm That's what you knew those guys the
way I know you love.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Do you think Jonathan Gannon is appealing his fight? Who
was that Jonathan Gannon, the Arizona coach?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, Mari Demarcado drops the ball and gets it knocked down.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
The typical Jimmy Johnson flay up.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Did you ever have a coach grab your face mask
do something wrong here?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Son?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That used to happen?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, I did, Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Did you never you never had to happen? Hell no, no, no,
I'm talking about in any level. No, Wow, get coach,
none of that, none of that punching you.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Jimmy and I got we we we were bumping. But yeah,
Jimmy was to do that right.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
No, no, no, Jimmy never put his hands on anybody
that I would call.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So Bill Parcells better be glad than he did this
twenty years ago when he h He instructed his assistant
coaches one year that I don't want to hear anybody
else talking to the officials. If there's got to be
talk to the officials, I'm gonna talk Haley official.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Dodd Haley on the sideline and the.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Next game Todd Haley starts barking at the officials and
Bill goes over there. It punches in the chest to
get them away from the officials. I told you, right her, And.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
That's a coach.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Well y the player, right?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Is there an assistant coaches union?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
No, it's not, it's not.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
There might be. No, there's no anyway. So he tells
the story afterwards.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
It was too Yeah, it was, hey, we got to
know who it is.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Your aim a little higher.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And he said his daughter daughter called him, goes dad,
He goes, do we need to go back into the therapy.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
But he didn't get fined.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
No, and he shouldn't have got fined for that either.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But there are a lot of opinions about that. What
happened on the sideline in Arizona. You're hearing a lot
of old players, you know, current players have an opinion about,
you know, keep coaches keeping their hands to them cells.
And you know there's this this mind state of the
old guard of coaches that you know, I'll get right
up in your face, you know, chew you out. I mean,
I came up in a time where coaches carry paddles around.
(08:11):
You know what I mean teachers, yeah, all of that. Yeah,
so so it's a it's it really is. It really
is a different day and a different philosophy according to
which generation you fall into on you know, how you
do things and sideline etiquette and all of that stuff.
And it's you know that fumble and I think what
(08:32):
what Gannon was doing? He was it was it was
the fumble. He dropped the ball before he got to
the end zone. And it's a boneheaded play. We've seen
it time and time again. It's infuriating a wh week before.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
And that's that video from the wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It happens. It happens more often now than than definitely
definitely in that. Don't understand why, but it's it's just
guy s Guy's ready to celebrate.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, but he wasn't dropping them now, this was I think. Look,
if you look at the replay the dB knock, I
don't I think he got a hand in there. I
think he if you slow it down at a certain angle,
there it was. But it was it was already dropping it.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I can't remember where I heard this, and I don't
know if it was pertaining to Arizona or somebody else.
But after seeing what happened. Was it Indianapolis? You said
yes the week before, yeah, yeah, yeah, that the coaches
are in this particular case, said you better not drop
the ball and still until you're on the letters like
(09:39):
of the name of the team, right, And I don't
know if that was him telling that Arizona guys or what,
but yeah, and then he drops it.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Seriously, I mean, and that would have given Arizona a
twenty eight to six lead in the game that.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
They wanted to be talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And as it turned out, touchback and sixteen point rally
by the previously winless Tennessee Titans, and you lose. What
a horrible loss.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Human nature is something, isn't it. I Mean, let's just
think about that. They weren't playing with the crap talking
about Tennessee and all of a sudden that happens.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Now you even Tennessee even throws a pick in the
red zone that Dadrian Dimmerson Taylor out of Texas Tech
intercepts and then he gets hit and he's going to.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
The ground and he fumbles it away.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
The ball gets kicked around and Tyler Lockett, Tyler Lockett,
even when they did something bad, something good, happened for Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Man, that was the weirdest game ever. That was the
weirdest game ever. When you getting back to what Heck
was talking about, that kind of old school where you
could just a bunch of guy in time. He felt
like and felt, you know, just on impulse. You know
that stuff spreads, it spreads. You know, it was spreading
in society, right. So we're trying to be a better society.
(10:59):
So you know, you can't just because you can go
up there and punch somebody, you know, because you're his boss.
That's just nothing, you know, So we have to as
a nation. We were trying not to be as impulsive.
So we stopped doing all of that coming from especially
a high profile game or whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
So you got a guy punching a coach or punch
a player.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Next thing, you know, you got little league coaches punching
little league players. I mean, because that's what was happening.
You know, they get so mad about at the kid.
They forget that that's not your kid. Man, you can't
be touching them like that. And so you go up
to high school and things of that nature. Things start
getting a little heated, not just on the field, off
the field, so they had to stop all of that.
(11:42):
You got to stop all of that. That's why I
hope old school guys that you will listen to with saying,
hey man, you cannot come up to a player like that,
because nowadays you will get an answer from somebody was
named DeMarco DeMar Mercado de Marcado. He just happened to
be a kid who was so down that he took.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
That, but.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Didn't get in the face of that.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
The guy had his arms around him.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I thought he'd be like, hey, coach, chill out on that,
you know, because that's what the big man do, big
offensive line.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
When they'll do that, they'll take care of you.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
But you know, Everson, have you ever thought that you know,
coaches know who they can do?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Then no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You know. I was looking at James Harrison has a
podcast and he James Harrison played for the Pittsburgh Man.
He said, you know I would have I would have
gone to jail. You know a player, you know, a
player like him, Well, I guess that he would have
gone to jail.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
In respond, he was reacting to who to.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The coach to the coach, Yeah, it's so basically saying
that the coach had punched me in the chest like that,
you know, they would have been scraping me off of him. Pause.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
It just here's how that went down. The coach was
upset and then he can come get in your face.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
That's all good.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
But I think as he saw how damaged the player was,
he kept going.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
He felt like he kept going. If he would have.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Met with resistance right away, then that would have been brief.
But because the player didn't answer back and his head
is down and all of that, that just seemed like
it gave the coach permission to continue.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And then but one hundred thousand dollars was his fine
for the team, the team, and the team invoked one
hundred thousand dollars, and Jerry gets a quarter of a
million dollars for the bird.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Wellcause he's an owner, okay, all right, all right, And
that only because.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
It's one hundred thousand dollars affect Jonathan Gannon more than
Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Bricks from the bricks.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, it was a rare I like that one. It
was a rare bird, that's all.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, yesterday, he mom, Hey, you you were yesterday at
the end of the show. You wanted to give a
tight end coach some love.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Did you forget about that? But you were all up
in arms about it. I didn't put it on the
in the rundown.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I was supposed to remember. Yes, I'm gonna remember he's
not going to be here on you tells me on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You need a body because write it down last minute.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Hey, on Friday on our group text eversin text us
on Tuesday that he won't be here next month. And
the reason yeah, and the reason Everson did that was
because he'll forget to tell us on my man said, well,
I'll forget by Monday.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I appreciate that manner. Wenda is it Lunda in London? Okay?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
The fact that the the tight ends are part of
what's happening in that running game. They're playing a lot
of two tight end offense and they're blocking and they
have a responsibility for that. And you know, he's a
former offensive line coach, by the way, when he was
with the Giants before he came here and took on
(15:15):
tight ends. And so once again it's people who you
hire at these coaching positions and what their intention is
to emphasize the running game, and it's working, at least
to this point with with Williams already four hundred and
(15:37):
forty seven yards rushing. I mean, that's that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
What they have in a long time.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
No, not this early, right, I mean even last year
when Rigo went for a thousand. It didn't happen till
the second half of the season and they finally figured out,
oh we might get this guy the ball.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
So so got many coaches were retained from the last
coaching staff.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
It's like three or four.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And that tells you a lot about lound Wells.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
When he was coaching Schultz, he was having the more
they were having the more difficult time with blocking tight
ends because Schultz was He's known for being there.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
That's the tight end.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Bill's guy made the team, span Ford, you know they
found the Now my guy guy he corrected me to
say his first or last name, second to last second
announce it's hyphenated. It's part of his last and uh
and that's why span Span.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
How are you pronouncing? Okay, well, maybe it is spawn
the coach.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Coach, you can't correct him and then you go take it.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Back Schottenheimer calls him spawned Ford and to look this
up in the break, I'm going to look it up.
I'm going to confirm it. Although why would it even
be in there. It looks like span. He's got two
ends on it. They have pronunciation and well.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Coach Wells is a great coach, clearly, and I think
you were alluding to that when you were talking about
him coming over well staying with all brand new coaches
coming in, and it echoes the fact that he has
these guys playing so well. Him and Jake Ferguson, to
me have always had a very special relationship and you
could tell over the years it has done nothing but
(17:26):
just expand. And obviously, as we were talking about Gannon
and the head coach for Arizona, I just think in
this day and age, man, good coaches are so hard
to find because you know, so many things, so many
things have changed about football. You don't have the same
practice structure as you once had back in the day.
Players are different mentally than what they were back in
(17:48):
the day. His ability to reach through to these guys
and and you know, the Luke school makers, the spand
Forwards of the world and get them to get out
on the field and also perform. It's just, you know,
Ferguson in these first four games, in these first five games,
I think that's where you've seen the most growth in
a player, and it is because of coach Wells, his
blocking ability, all of that, and when you talk about
(18:12):
it being just pretty much carrying over to the running game,
I think if they continue down this track, because that's
the one thing that you always said about these tight
ends for the Cowboys is that they really didn't have
a true blocking tight end, but they are serviceable enough
for to make an impact in the running game. I
like that about his style. I like that he carries
(18:32):
himself as kind of under the radar as a coach,
you know, as a person and if you ever met him, yeah,
I mean, if you ever met this man, you know,
he's one of the most likable and you could just
start a conversation with him immediately. And I think that's
the one thing that his players gravitate to is the
(18:53):
kind of person that he is.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
And what really helps this year though, is Ferguson's being healthy.
Yea last year number one, Yeah, he played through a
lot last year. This year, you can tell he's a
different player. The blocking is there, his routes, you know,
they seem to be better. His hands are more consistent. Uh,
you know, we just always want to work on him
being a little bit more elusive. Sometimes we want more
(19:17):
than we can get from players. But I think we're
getting the most that we can get out of Ferguson.
This is his best year.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
And I think the other thing that signals that is
when they go three tight ends, they're not bringing in
yet an offensive lineman would be the third guy to block. Right,
they got three tight ends out there.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
We got a couple of big tight ends.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
He should Lunda's just another good Louisiana boy.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Got a big old cowboy hat an he loves it
and his cowboy boots. I mean, he's a disciplined guy.
Uh was overweight at one time, lost a lot of weight.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
The guys walking out here looking good looking lean to me.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
And I think that's a good example for your players
to show that kind of discipline.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Did you find it.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
There's no fanatical guide on him, and so that me
not and span Ford, Okay, when we come back, will
we go behind door number one, door number two or
door number three, either one of them okay when nick
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Speaker 3 (22:52):
Let's go, okay, let's go behind door number one, door
number two or door number three. Okay, and this comes
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Segment one, Segment two, Segment three, we just fly through
(23:13):
the stop signe.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I won't quit.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Bug the hell we went. We went off script as
we usually do in segment one, so now I thought
segment two, we you have your choice. Okay, do you
want to just blindly pick?
Speaker 7 (23:32):
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Speaker 2 (23:33):
Let's go? Okay, we're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Segment three, which is, let me give you what Door
number one had, tail of two sides, Door number two,
trade or trusty Door number three?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
One move away?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Subtitled how much pressure is on Eberflus right now? Can
the offense keep carrying the weight? Is this defense just
one defensive piece away from making a push for the division?
So the vote vote is door number three, yes, one
move away? How much pressure is on Eberflus right, It's
(24:11):
a lot.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I think it's a whole lot of pressure.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Because you have an offense that's having to carry the load,
you know, and we want to come in here with
a running game, and we changed everything about the offense.
Everyone on that's on the offensive side of the ball
has stepped up. Everyone their performance has stepped up. Individually,
as a group, they've stepped up. You got your quarterback
plan better than they ever had. You got a new
(24:36):
receiver coming in and Pickings who's doing exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
What we brought him in here to do.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
And we're making them work way too hard for the
record that we have.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
And so what's the reason for that defense?
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Why can't you get these guys right at least in
the first four games? Why can't you get these guys right?
And the pressure to me, he is on him to
get it right and quickly before you run out of
offensive players. Maybe that's why we're getting hurt so much
on their line. We're going into overtime. We've been too
overtimes already. You don't want to put that kind of
(25:13):
charge on your offense, I don't think this early in
the season.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So do you believe he has the material to get better?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
I do. I always believe.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
And if you communicate with your players even if some
are more talented than others. For some reason, I always
looking at Miami's back and I'm going way back Miami's
no name defense back in the day. All those guys
were good players, but they were a great defense. Somehow
they could communicate with each other from coach to player
(25:44):
to where everyone was solid in what they do. Eban
Flus has been known to be that kind of coach.
No matter what was going on in Chicago on offense,
his defense was always able to hold the line. They
were the strength of that team. That is not the
case this year.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
So far, so far, so far. That's a good point.
So far.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And you were playing with a bunch of backups.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
At cornerback, no doubt, right, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
And now you've discovered I might have some young guys
at linebacker that can play right. So you know, is
it the coaching or is it your personnel?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
It's somehow communications crated away.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You're supposedly your best defensive player, he said, supposedly.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Here's my thing. I don't care if you're getting paid
in the NFL. And we went over this week two
and three. You still need to know where you're supposed
to be.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
You don't have to be an all pro to know
that it's fourth down and twenty five and not to
get be not to let anyone get behind you. Those
are the kind of things are extremely elementary, SPACs, extremely elementary,
and that's why I was so disappointed those first four games.
Things got better this last game. Hopefully that's the shape
(27:03):
of things to come. But I don't care who's playing
out there, if they're getting paid in the NFL. I
could take a college player to be in position. He
might not make the play, but he's going to be
where he's supposed to be. That is something. I'm surprised
that there's a communication gap between the players and the coaches.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I'm surprised about that.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I think this week will be the litmus test.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Wow, if.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Last week was it one of those things? Was it
who you're playing or.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
You finally getting get communication? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Getting it? You do it two weeks in a row,
and I think this will be somewhat of a good
test because they Carolina has showed they can run the ball.
Bryce Young, I don't know how well he's playing at quarterback.
His numbers don't shine, but he might be a step
above justin fields and they've got a pretty darn good receiver. Yes,
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they do right and so, and they may get another
guy back this week. I was seeing somebody that was
on IR was going to start practicing this week, So
this might be a better test or a test to
see are they making steps or are they are who
(28:21):
they were.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
It's a good team to test that out on, to
test that theory out on. This is a good team
and a good situation being on the road.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I think my confusion with this team is that doctor
check O, mister Hyde mentality of what's happening. The offense
is number one and your defense is thirty second, and
it's like if we could put two different jerseys on
this team. It feels like the separation is right down
the middle. And I'm not trying to divide and conquer
this team. I'm just basically saying, from a talent standpoint
(28:49):
on defense, you're just not seeing these guys make any
improvement past last weekend. And we all say, hey, we
say that they made an improvement, but then we're reminded
that it was the Jets, right. And so when you
say the litmus tests is this week, you're talking about
the talent and the way that this team is playing
versus the way that the Jets were playing. But I
think if the Cowboys defense just shure up the line
(29:12):
of scrimmage the defensive line, you put more pressure. Dante
Fowler comes out of the phone booth again this week
and plays like Dante Fowler, and you continue to put
that pressure, you start to see those improvements on the
battle now now offensively, offensively, what more can you ask
for when your quarterback is playing behind four replacements in
(29:34):
the offensive line and he's still clean at the end
of the game. So I'm and I asked her, and
I put this on the rundown because I'm like, when
does Jerry get to the point where he says, look,
my offense, I may not get this in my quarterback
against ten years in the league. This is I got
to strike while it's hot, and it's hot right now.
(29:54):
And if we're thirty second in defense, if we could
get to seventeenth fifteenth as a defense, I think that
gives you the push that you're talking about. I didn't
say playoff. I didn't say super say I said division.
If you could win the NFC East, if you could
take down Philly, you could take down the commanders, it'll
beat the Giants again by improving your defense. Do you
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go out on the limb and make that move before
the trade deadline?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Soy are you saying one guy's gonna come in there
and change this whole deal?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And it may and it may be one guy that
can improve your defense from a pass rush standpoint.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
If he's that good, he's going to be available you.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I mean, you got all the equity to make it.
Him be a fan.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
You have four backup offensive linemen, they're the playing very well.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Right. Oh no, I get it.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
So my point is, you don't I don't care where
you're coming from.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I don't care where you're drafted, if you're getting paid.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
No, he's talking about making a trade.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yes, I'm talking.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
I don't know about making the trade I'm talking about
You've got four players that played their asses off last week.
I'm saying that you can do the same on defense
with backups that we're playing with right now. That's all
I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Why why would I
limit my defense to be better with backup players? Why
(31:17):
would I limit them to not being able to play?
Why can't we just get better that these guys, are
the four offensive line of the four backups come on?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Well?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Maybe they did. That's why I'm saying this week's gonna
be the tell tales. And are they getting better or
was it just one?
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Why? Why couldn't Clowny be that guy? How did Clowney
play in the game?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
He hadn't mentioned them? You had, And because you hadn't
mentioned them, it tells you everything you need to know
about how he performed last week. I don't I don't know,
you know, I mean, it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
We always have all of that, well we have well
we just look it up. Yeah, I'm surprised that that
didn't come up already.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Ain't that right?
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Nate?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
See they talking to you.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I don't know what I did.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Two snap thirty nine had two tackles, yes, Nate Newton, No,
no Russes, no pressure is no no.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Y'all having a great show, lean in, y'all having a
great and still having a great show, great debate. You
guys are mixing well. But we ain't gonna give up
now now, raph Charles, this year, not now, not now.
We done did two years in the row, fourth fourth
(32:37):
round pick and ain't got no results. We ain't gonna
give up our future for if this team ain't trying
to get to the NFC Championship Game, and if they're
not trying to get to the super Bowl, why would
you chance it? Why would you chance? But if you
have the number one offense in the league and you're
talking about your defenses being what's what's holding you back
(33:01):
and winning the division the NFC East, If there's a
defensive piece that you could add to this team that
could make you marketably better, why wouldn't you do that?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So what's yeah, and what's the piece?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Look, guys, when Quinn Williams was one of the guys
that you could have gotten in a trade right before
Micah right, what type of impact do you think of
Quinn Williams would have made in the interior?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
What do you think you were going to give up
same thing you gave.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Up from me.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
That's why it did happened. That's why the trade didn't
happened for them, because they wasn't gonna give us what
so you're saying and we can't talk about this guy.
We cannot talk about this guy because he's with someone.
But if we had that style of monster out there,
you're gonna have to give up a first, and you're
(33:52):
gonna have to give up a second. Defense is thirty
second right now? Yeah, Okay, you're in the league and
right now they are thirty one with Quinn Williams the Jets. Yeah,
I mean they're bad. They're bad right now. One player,
one player cannot make that difference. Okay, not on our defense,
not now, because we had a player of tremendous caliber,
(34:18):
great extra probably the second best pass rush in the league.
So I can't even talk about him. I can't even
talk about him because if he's on this team, what
difference does he make on your defense right now? I
mean we're talking. This is this thirty second in the league.
So everything is up from here on. Everything should be
on the table.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Ten sacks instead of five sacks last week.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Oh my goodness. Yeah, no, no, no, no, what I'm saying.
I'm feeling you. Yeah, I'm feeling everything you saying. But
if we were ranked defensively right now at like say twenty,
I'm on and popping with you. But it's too many
holes right now in this defense.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
He's saying, one player is not one players.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, and the assets that you're gonna have to get
get rid of to get that type of monster. I'm
talking about the game changing you. We have had our
runs of Lord, please forgive me. We've had a great
past rusher that didn't make a difference, fellas, we cannot
(35:25):
have if you were going to get a dude, say
in the Ohio area. You know what I'm saying, y'all
know who I'm talking about. If you were going to
get that dude, give up all the draft Come on, man, Okay,
So I framed it. So I framed it. So I
framed it. We have the number one offense and we
have the thirty second def So the disconnect, the disconnect between.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
What's that record?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Is he talking about South?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
No, no, no, okay, no.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
No, no, What's what's the record?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
What is who's record?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
The Cowboys?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Two too and one to two and one?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
So one more player maybe four and oh four and one?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah, I mean you're the The truth is is that
your offense is carrying the waterfalls, you know, And so
that's that's what. So you asked me a rhetorical question,
I give you the answer that you you're asking me for.
And I'm basically telling you that if your defense was
a tenth of the better.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Okay, okay, okay, Let's look at it this way. All right,
you had one of those players, okay, and you trade
them away, right.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That's right, Okay, didn't make you better.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
That's what I'm saying is if you had not made
that trade and he was signed and he was happy here,
what would the record be right now?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
He'd have definitely won you one of those games unknown,
one you wanted Unknown. It's so great here you that
you cannot chance your future.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
You got this play out. Let's say that's where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
You gotta let it play out. If you let this
play out. And let's say the Cowboys are at the
halfway point in whichever that can be, because it's seventeen
games now, so I don't know what the halfway point is.
But let's say the ninth game and the Cowboys are
four and five. Now you go to say, whoa you
(37:25):
get what to say? You're gonna man, and I don't
know when to trade? Deadline November. Now you may start
talking that way, but as of right now, our defense coach,
Eve Flush, you know I'm riding with you, but I
got to say something bad. Our defense is terrible, bro
beyond terrible. If it was a thirty fifth team, we
would be that team.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
And this is where I am am with you too.
You know, November November fourth happens to be the start
of the Cowboys by week. There's you said, Mickey, you said,
this is the litmus test Carolina. I'd say the litmus
test is the next four games you have to look at,
and especially the next two games after Carolina. You got
(38:07):
Washington coming in here, and then you're going to Denver,
and then you've got Arizona and a Monday night game
the night before the trade deadline on the on November fourth,
and that's where you have in the next four games.
You're two two and one right now. Where are you
going to be at the trade deadline? And that's when
you make your decision. Do we have it or do we.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Not have We'll have that discussion again, brother, That's what
I'm saying. Your discussion is compelling because you hit me
and you talk off air all the time, the arrogance
of me being a Dallas Cowboy fan. It's saying, wow,
Eagles loss, Cowboys won. Oh the Eagles, Finn go down
(38:48):
and the Cowboys. That's just the arrogance.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Of who we are.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And here's the common sense in me saying, don't make
that move too soon.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
And here's the most important part of it is you
don't know what your needs are gonna be November fourth,
because injuries happen in this league. And what looks like
you need a pass rusher right now, Well, you may
need a cornerback by then, you may need lineback. What
you may need a defensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Who knows. Yeah, I'm dealing. I'm dealing with you out
and see I'm dealing with the right now of it.
And Nate, thank you for coming in. Man, you said
you know what, Man, I'm telling you. Man, the conversation
was so great. I'm like, Mickey, all he doing is
writing stuff down. I can come get this right stuff now.
So I'm like, let me go get out your moment.
That is. That is a great discussion man. Him on
(39:35):
the rundown, I say one every morning I should do
the same.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
You know what, you know what heck's gonna do.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
We're not doing it yet.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
We're gonna have a segment. Yeah, I heard, Yeah, We're
gonna have a segment.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Compares me way back, well, way back Wednesday, where HECMA
picks a current player and.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
We're gonna compare them with a player from the past.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I'm voting offense. I'm gonna give you three players, not
that I'm gonna give you three right now.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Not to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Don't do it with Bob Lily because it ain't nobody.
Don't do it with anybody man because it ain't nobody.
Don't do what Everson calls it ain't nobody.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
I'll do.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
All right, And there goes to the six time pro
bowler who might be the first way back Wednesday and
more mix shots and just drive.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
There you go.
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Well, I'm not saying let's see. We got injury updates
right here, Okay, all right from Tommy Ash. Okay, you
can always count on Tommy. He's at Brian Schottenneimers press
conference right now. Cowboy injury updates from Shoddy Tyler Geiton
is finishing up concussion protocol, hopefully will be out soon.
(43:15):
Jack Sanborn is in concussion protocol. A few injured players
may be able to get back this week. Added Guys
may be on the grass at practice, but that doesn't
mean they're cleared to play that shot. He added that
they may be on the grass of practice, but that
doesn't mean they're cleared to play. Still taking your time
with Savone Rebel likes how he's moving around. Boy, that
(43:38):
would be nice. It would be nice, Savone Rebel.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
That would be an addition.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Of course, he's a rookie, never played in an NFL game.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
But well, the most intriguing thing for me right now
is Guidon, Tyler, Geydon and Nate Thomas. Nate Thomas really
showed you a lot, and not only in preseason, but
it showed you a lot in this last game. So, uh,
him coming back from concussion protocol and you know the
way that they maneuver through that with Guyton I'm sure
(44:08):
his spot's not in danger h at all. But getting
that young guy back in the lineup, uh, and knowing
now that you have a really serviceable to good backup
Nate Thomas.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
And he can go both ways right, left and right.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Oh yeah, yep.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
And in fact, the week before they actually before the
guid and injury happened, they put him. They put Nate
Thomas at right tackle spelled Terrence Steel for a little
bit by a playze or so one series.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
And had him prepared to do that practice.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
And then he wound up finishing the game at left
tackle and then played the entire last game at left tackle.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
I heard somebody say, well, they played so well with
those backups, and they were like, what do you need
your starters for.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Now?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
That position? I mean it was being there was competent
Titian there in training camp. Phil Geiden got her okay,
left tackle, yeah, because they were playing. They were giving
him first team Nate Thomas first team stats.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
And I d Entergy was playing some left tackle then,
I mean they got some position versastibility.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
He plays.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
He played guarden, but he's done. He's gonna play their
tackle or guard. That gives.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
We talked about this last year about well, he can't
play this side because he only plays this side. And
I talked about how cornerbacks we played both sides all
the time. Safeties played left and right safety all the time.
I don't know why, So I just never saw why
it's so unusual.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Would you say cornerbacks are better athletes than offensive blindmen.
Let's get Nate back in here.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Oh, you mean from left and right.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
That's a tough one. You know what?
Speaker 1 (45:48):
And I don't remember who they were talking about it
was how uh one of those linemen line up, And
they were saying, and we're talking offense, okay, they were
saying that normally this guy stance, he's more square to
the line of scrimmage. So it allows you to play
(46:12):
left or right easier than being dominant on one side
and having your one foot further.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Again, dbs do that all the time, right, Yeah, we
do it all the time.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
So if you stay square, whatever side you're on.
Speaker 5 (46:26):
It shouldn't matter, whatever matter, It shouldn't matter whatever your
foots forward.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Just you know, you're an athlete. You asked me the
question is Larry Allen? Was Larry Allen a better athlete
than Darren Woodson? You see?
Speaker 5 (46:41):
So you can't just say because we're lighter, you know
that we were more athletic.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
It's You've got some guys out there, big offensive linemen
who were All pros and Pro Bowlers and Hall of
Famous who were damn good athletes.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Okay, let's just say run of the mill cornerbacks versus
run of the you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
So, and one of the things that I was going
to point out when we were talking about the backups,
how well they played. Now there's tape out there. Yeah right,
So now they know how these guys play and they
got a week to study it. Now, can you do?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Right?
Speaker 4 (47:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Pas in the eye in the sky online.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
And now not just the way they played, but the
way the Cowboys schemed it.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
To write protect them because a lot of it had
to do with the scheme and what they did and
what they were trying to help them out.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
But tomorrow on mix Shots, we should talk about Derek Brown,
We should talk about Bobby Brown, the third the nose tackle.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Out of Arlington Lamar High School, Texas. And we should
talk about the NFC Offensive Player of the week. You
know who that is? We were going to now, no,
Rico Dowdle Carolina Panthers. I can see that after a
two hundred and six year rushing performance. So buckle up
(48:03):
for the next edition of mix Shots on Thursday at noon.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Go buckle up to come. This has been a production
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