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December 22, 2025 50 mins
Digesting the loss to the Chargers with the help of Nate in Frisco, focusing on moving Tyler Smith to left tackle, the fact the Cowboys were somewhat forced to play Trevon Diggs at corner, the plight of defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus and a defense having given up at least 30 points eight times this season.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
This is Nick Shot screaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com
and the official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones,
Heckma Harrison, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Why Yes, it's a festive Monday morning here inside the
SWBC podcast studio. Mickey's got finally has his headset on.
And this is a Monday edition, a short week edition,
a holiday edition of mixed shots.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
And all I got to say is when going gets.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Tough, that's right, the tough get going. Who's tough in
this room?

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Show up?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, we got half the crew here, and maybe Natan
Frisco will make his way here too.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Well, if he's listening, he'll be here. And that's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
But here we are.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
We are three days away from another game, and it's
the aftermath of a weekend, a lost weekend for your
Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Hello, Mickey, how are you? I am fine, well rested.
I made sure I didn't stay up to midnight watching
any games or anything else. I got some sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Some of us were working until that's right last night.
So but here we are ready to go, and we've
got much to get to. There was a lot of
news made over the weekend. We got a game to recap.
I see the Washington Commanders the next opponent.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
They are down to their third.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Quarterback and they just signed Jeff Driscoll off the Cardinals
practice squad, and so it will be very interesting to
see if three days from now Jeff Driscoll is playing.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
In the game.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
But I didn't even know he was still active in
the NFL.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Well, he wasn't active until now. He was on the
practice squad.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
So was it Malik Willis finished the game? No, that
would be the Packers. Oh, that was the Packers.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I knew Josh Johnson, which brings us back to the.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Los Angeles Chargers.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Josh Johnson thirty nine years old, right, so third quarterback
for the Commanders.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Mariota got hurt.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Of course, Jayden Daniels already out for the season. So
Mariota gets hurt yesterday or on Saturday night, and Josh
Johnson finishes the game and bringing it back to harbab
He was Jim Harbaugh's quarterback at the University of San Diego,
San Diego at University of San Diego before Harbaugh got

(03:12):
the Stanford job. That's how far back Josh Johnson goes.
And assuming he survived yesterday's game, I'm not sure. If
he got a Saturday night's game, he likely would be
the starting quarterback for the Cowboy for the Commanders.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Against the Coup. Isn't he the guy that's like played
for fourteen Yes, yes, I'm guessing it's something. It's double
double digits, right, that's right, And he's got to be
close to forty. He's thirty nine years old. Nine thirty
nine years old?

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, yeah, oh my, that's their quarterback depth chart in
Washington has healthy right now Josh Johnson, Sam Hartman out
of Notre Dame and now Jeff driscoll.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
But so it'd be only right if the Cowboys started
Joe Milton, are you proposing that? Just throwing that out there?
I wonder, I wonder how long that go?

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Mind?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
We stalled just long enough for Nate and Frisco to
make his way here to Thanks w BC.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
I bet we interrupted his lunch.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Right very Christmas, Nate and Frisco. And that's one of
the topics of the week. A guy who has played
both guard and tackle in his NFL career. Yes, that's
one of the storylines from yesterday's lost to the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
How you doing, I'm doing great, I'm good to see
you guys. Man Sanahadh, No, Sarah, I bring Greety's doing
not very merry, but they're greedy.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
They smell fresh.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yes, how you doing about that?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Chris Bean producer supreme doing great.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Good, good to hear you. Good Mackey, good to see you,
Bill huh I said, like Jerry says, to dash for cash.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
They can smell fresh cash.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
We god a E and a double dash of the eliminated.
That's what it's called. Yeah, no extra cash this year.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
No, no, not this team or this play these players right, Well, Mickey,
where do you start? Well, yesterday, I'll start here. My
take was that, you know, with all this talk about oh,
they're going to mail it in or they should tank,

(05:28):
I thought they came out and this is the worst part.
They came out with a lot of effort. They tried,
the coaching staff tried different things to get things right,
and they still lost. So you know, you can't give
them the excuse that nobody tried or there was effortless.
After finding out that the Eagles won on Saturday and

(05:52):
they were eliminated for the playoffs. I thought the effort
was good, the play was not good, especially defensively. And
it reminded us of what's taking place.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
All season long.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
And during this three game losing streak, they've given up
thirty four thirty four forty four points. That's one hundred
and twelve and three games, an average of thirty seven
a game. And that's just kind of a sign of
what took place all season long.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I just you know, I'm kind of on the same
page that the bottom line, Mick, is this scene last year,
I don't I forgot what their record was, seven and
we hired a new coach, we hired a new defensive coordinator,
a lot of guys injured coming into the year. What

(06:49):
did people what did people expect? Right? The game was
much like it been being I mean secondary, they could
run the ball, they could throw the ball. Quinny Williams
was out, so they was attacking us on both fronts.
And I told and I tell people that's right here.

(07:09):
Those type of games is whoever kicks the first field
goal lose. We kicked the first field goal we lost.
I wish I could be a little bit more excited
in telling you that the best is yet to come.
This team knows what it needs. The coach is going
to have a year more experience. He's got two more

(07:31):
games to get out of the way, and then some
decisions gonna be made on coaches as well as players.
But as soon as this season over with, I don't
think anybody upstairs is going to take a break. I
think everybody's gonna be full steam ahead. And you fans,
thank you all for sticking with us. But you got
two more games. We gotta get through this. I mean

(07:52):
not as only as a team, but as a fan
base too.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
So when you mentioned who kicks the first field goal,
the worst part was is they had scored a touchdown.
Yeah that got called back?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yes, right, it happens a holding call, right, And to me, uh,
it was awful. The holding call. Well, if Dak would
have stayed up in the pocket, it never would have happen.
Dak was trying to make up his mind to the
other guy turned the Yeah when he went forward, like

(08:30):
when he's stepped up into the pocket, he was looking
for a window and didn't see it. So he felt
a little pressure. He stepped back, and when he stepped back,
he's you know, the guy went that way, and my
man thinking he inside of him and he held on
to him too long. I love tackle, said so.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, it's here's here's what it was.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, it was fifty.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
I threw his arms up him. But the thing is
Hall of Famer Khalil Mack.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, but the thing is the thing yils mick thing,
yells Bill. They had better players pound for pound, player
for player. They had better players, and it was just
a matter of time whether it was gonna be one
at that point later in the game. As much as

(09:19):
I'm a Cowboy fan, I'm a realist. This thing is
about turning out how I thought it was gonna turn out.
And we had a spark that we saw what we
could be for three games doing Thanksgiving. But it takes
depth to continue to grow and to continue to be better.
I think the young guy like Tyler Smith, they put

(09:44):
him at the left tackle position. That's the best we've
seen all year.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Coach answered that right away, Hey, he's gonna finish up
at left tackle. What you cannot go into next year
doing if you want to be successful. It's guessing. You know,
we had a miss national players. When Jimmy first got here.
Offensive lineman and Jimmy, you know, we they went back

(10:12):
and forth. You to hear the coaches going back and forth.
And then Jimmy says, stop stop stop bar in the center,
and even with him, I want my five best players
out there. I want my five best players now. Whether
they look good height wise and uniform wise, I don't care.
I need the guys that can block the best at

(10:34):
the best positions. And Jimmy came to me and said, Nate,
I've decided. He didn't say my coaches that. He said,
I decided that I want my five best offensive lineman
out there. I'm thinking I'm finnik. Oh lord, you know,
I'm thinking I'm to go to a backup role. And
he said, Nate, you're one of my fifth best players,

(10:57):
five best players. I said, yes, sir, I'm happy bubbling.
I said, well, okay, left, nah nah, you're the right tackle.
And I looked at him and I'm like, coach, ain't
much taller than you. You know, I'm looking at im
say this AGM, and but going out the right tackle.
I went to thinking, oh, man, Reggie White, he's j Jr.

(11:22):
This guy, this guy, this Lawrence Taylor. You know, I'm
thinking that all of these guys I got a block
in the NFC East. Yeah, the athletic ability. And I
was finna telling him, oh nah. And he looked at
me to know. He said, you either pay right tackle.
He cut me off. Are you cut? He said, you

(11:44):
can go home. I said, sir, I'm your right tackle.
What I'm trying to say is you get a year,
but not a year to make the same mistakes. As
much as Tyler Smith is one of the best best
left guards in the game, he's the best left tackle
on our team. And it's Bass the second best guard

(12:09):
on our third best guard on our team, I have
Hoffman in the better center. You better put five guys
out there to give dak an opportunity to throw that
ball to George Pickens and CD Lamb and and and
and have a better run game. If that's what's gonna
help us win in the future. And this is what
they're looking at, you know, if everybody you know, it

(12:31):
ain't just coaches that are getting looked at this, players too,
And it's a it's a critical eye. People say, well,
hasn't it always been this. No, you kind of had
guys in place and we were trying to play to
get a certain space to make work. Yeah, but now
it's like we've finish tried something.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
So Mike, my answer to that was, is Bass a
better left guard, then then Guidon is a left tackle.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
And the thing is they're they're they're gonna take a
serious look look at it. They're gonna take a serious look.
You know, you you you you know, hey, lose games,
draft picks, all this right here, All of that sounds good,
But these coaches got a lot more to go, you know,

(13:22):
a lot more responsibility. And now we can sit here
and do that. That's good for us, you know, and
that's good for the fans. But these coaches a lot
of these coaches getting evaluated as well as the players.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Okay, this is this is very interesting because it relates
totally to what's going on on this offensive line right
now with Tyler Smith kicking out the left tackle for
the final three games of this season. Just to give
it perspective on what you're talking about. This after the
eighty nine season, you're looking at an offensive line that
had to in a at left tackle, you were playing

(13:55):
left guard. Yes, it was Tom Rafferty and Mark Stepnovsky
splitting time basically at center. Rafferty had eight starts and Stepnowsky,
as a rookie, had four starts.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Crawford Kerr was the right guard, Yes, and the right
tackle was Kevin Goge.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
So then after that season, what you're saying is that
Jimmy Then came to you and he made the decision
we're going with our best five. So now we flip
over to the nineteen ninety season and keep in mind
out here looming somewhere, they're going to get Eric Williams.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Eric Williams is gonna get draft. He's gonna got drafted.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
But in the meantime, we're doing what we can to
get the best five out there. And so the nineteen
ninety season, two and A was the left tackle, Crawford
Kerr moved over to left guard. Yes, Stepnovsky was the
full time center. John Geesick was the starting right guard,
and Nate Newton started sixteen games at right tackle. Yes,

(14:52):
nineteen ninety one irish, and the team went seven and nine,
was starting to make some headway. Yes, nineteen ninety one
is when Eric Williams got drafted, Yes, sir okay and
Nate Newton, and this is a Hall of Fame caliber
right tackle that gets drafted. He's a rookie though, and

(15:17):
Nate Newton is still the right tackle. In nineteen ninety
he made sixteen starts exactly, yes, and Giesick was the
right guard, Stepnowsky at center, Gogan was at left guard.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Carford Kerr was gone.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
He demanded himself.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
He went and started up.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
The barred Tampa No, the equivalent of a Hooters y.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, that's what it was, Yes, all right, and then
t and A was the left tackle. And so then
in ninety two, Eric Williams, second year in the league,
was given My job is keep in mind we're playing
the best five, right, Yes, right, that's right, And so
Eric Williams becomes the right tackle. I think the Cowboys

(15:59):
went to the Super Bolden won the Super Bowl, Yes,
we did, and it was Gee Sick at right guard,
Stepanovsky at center, and Nate Newton was still one of
the best five.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, going out, Yeah, so went out.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
I went went to left yard and h to and
was a left time. Well, and there's the history on that.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
And that was another one. That, Jimmy went to Tony Wise, yes,
and Eric Williams is the starter, and but.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
He didn't want to but he didn't want to do it.
Tony didn't want to do it, like, no, no, I
got my five. He said, no, you don't. So we're
sitting in the meeting. I'm sitting here and Eric sitting there. Jimmy,
how you gentlemen? Daughter? We all yes, I'm coach, you
know me, I'm always clowning. What's up? And I'm like
and then he said, well, what's up? It is very
waving the right time, and I'm like that one's so
what's up? That was us up? The thing is, it's

(16:47):
time to stop guessing. And I'm talking to upper management now,
mister Jones, missus Stephen Jones, will McLay. It's time to
stop guessing. Even in the draft. You know people, you know,
I listen to the show and they by talking about
what we need. What we need is a team. That's

(17:12):
what we need. So whatever is number one pick, whatever
is there, divasive tackle, safety, whatever is the best available
player that can start on this team, get him.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
And as it relates to Tyler Smith, this team is
going to be a better team. Next year, if Tyler
Smith has the versatility to have a choice, you get
your best five out there where he can play either
left tackle or left guard. Let the competition happen and
you get your best fight. You decide on your best
five just this year, next year. But this, this is now,

(17:51):
and he's already started at left tackle back in his
rookie season. But now you're getting three starts under his
belt here later in his career where he is an
option it left tackle and it could be Tyler Goyton
winds up and battling with Terrence Steele on the right side.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Whatever you don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, or they made Tyler Goton may developed where he's
the left tackle and Tyler can go Smith can go
back into left guard.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
We'll see, sir, yes, sir, just but they're a better team.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
That's that right now. You only have one position, two
positions where we know it is dominating. Only two. That's
your two outside wide receivers. They are dominant. That and
and Quinny number ninety two, he is dominant. And Skew

(18:40):
my I gotta get number ninety five is due. Yeah,
they those are the four dominant guys on this team.
Now that's hype from the quarterback, and I forget, and
I forgot about the left tackle, guard, center, whatever he's playing.
Those are the four or five guys.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, and then you you, if he's your left tackle,
then Guidon can, yeah, can challenge at the right tackle
spot and then go about your business. Because Booker's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yes, I believe. And I'm gonna keep saying this right here,
and a lot of people don't want to say. You know,
I know I wouldn't be if I if I wasn't
appearing here with the Dallas Cowboys, I probably couldn't have
a podcast because I'm gonna tell I'm gonna say the
same thing over and over. This guy came in head coach.
One thing I would ask him to do next year.

(19:33):
If you're gonna be head coach, be head coach. I
don't want to. Okay, well now he's out. No head
coach that calls plays all this stuff with evil flues.
I had to go sit in there. You know what,
you're the head coach, sit in there. If you need
to sit in there, you got an offensive coordinator. So

(19:53):
I don't like all that. It's just too many moving parts.
What did you think of the.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Game, it's twelve twenty. You got time for a break,
you got two minutes.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
There's too much to get to, too much to get to,
and so we will continue with mixshots. Will turn our
attention to at some point who played for the first
time in eight or nine games? All right, we'll come
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(23:49):
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You played yesterday's game, Yes, he did good about the
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It's the rest of the defense that there's question marks about.

(24:11):
And one of the guys returned yesterday and you asked me,
what did I think of yesterday's game? And I didn't
think much of yesterday's game. And in fact, when it
comes to the return of Trevon Diggs.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
You know, they to me, you like that name, and.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Nobody said, this is my opinion. They took a chance
playing him because their drouthers would have been you sit
for the rest of the year because I want to
make sure you're healthy when I got to make roster
decisions come the off season, and they sort of got

(24:51):
forced to make the move and hold their breath after
they found out that Doron Bland was going to be
out for the rest of the season needing foot surgery again,
and they looked at the cornerback spot and went, hmmm,
we got all these guys and none of them are
been with this in the NFL for more than this,

(25:12):
being their second year, and it was like, wow, we
can't qualify sitting him, so we're gonna hold our breath.
Was out too, and Kayln Carson was out also, Yes,
who was in his third is no, he's second year, right,
second year? Ye?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (25:28):
So all so it was like, all right, let's try this,
and I hope everybody saw right. I hope they saw
and he's healthy. Now it's a question of do they
continue to play him the rest of these last two games.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
This has been a year where two positions, two units
have been really banged up in experience, no continuity where
these are the two units where you needed the most.
And that's secondary an offensive line, you know, besides quarterback

(26:06):
where I Receie were working together the way they do.
It has just been a bad situation. I'm not gonna
comment on Digs. The situation it is what it is.
He's a little disc Grnald. The Cowboys are a little
bit upset. You got two forces that's working against each other.

(26:28):
Nobody's gonna break down and try to pacify the others.
So let's just wait and see what happened, right you know,
It's just I mean, we can go at Diggs. The
bottom line is this right here. The last Digs we
saw was a kid that could play football and a
kid that had a zest for the game. What's been

(26:50):
sprinkled out is not a tenth of this kid. So Diggs,
I said it last night, and I said again, Son,
get somewhere with some level headed people and find out
whether you want to continue to do this, because, believe
it or not, what you're building is a bad habit,
and you'll take it to the next team, and if

(27:11):
there's a next team, and if something don't go your way,
you'll fall back into this rut. So get somewhere and
figure out what do you really want to do and
start doing it. You know, he's young man, He's got
a lot of football ahead of him if he so desires.
But he's got to make up in his mind mentally
whether he want to do this or not.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
And I understand this was his first game in nine
weeks or maybe ten weeks if the buy was in there.
But and it looked like it too, by the way,
that wasn't some fancy move. He got beat one guy
just kind of stutter step and went and you're ten

(27:54):
yards you're talking about the Talkey touchdown? Yes, which cover two? Yeah,
it was cover too, there was there was nobody else
there to help out.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
The thing is to try to even get into a
debate about a guy that is questionable whether he wants
to play or not. Now we got to bring evil
flu It's just too many moving parts. That's why you
know they interviewed. I mean, I'm happy to be with

(28:27):
the guys. I gotta you know, even his conversation, it's
not hyped a good So. Yeah you see a kid, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you see a kid that's searching. Uh, get with this kid.

(28:50):
I mean, whoever he trusts on his team, if anybody,
If he don't get with this kid and help him out.
I mean, it's it's beyond now trying to whether he's
wrong or whether he's right, whether mister Jones and his
crew is wrong or right. It's now about the Dallas
Cowboys football team moving forward with a better attitude. That's

(29:13):
that's what it's about.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
See if he said that was a cover too, there
was nobody back there.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Don't Nick, don't, don't worry about it, Nick, don't. Ready.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Stewart had the guy out of the slot and they
lined up together. He consisted cover too, Reddy Stewart took
the guy and he took the other guy, sir, The
safety was way over the other side.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Okay, okay, all right, okay.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
But then the other problem is the quarterbacks in the
pocket the whole night long.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
The thing that is the problem is Mick is a
lack of communication, a lack of uh playing as a
unit that has been with him there and with him
not being there, if it changed, if it got better
because he wasn't there. That's one thing. It's been this

(30:10):
all year and people saying pressure, pressure, pressure. They sought pressure,
and we missed like three or four times. When they
did send pressure, guys had their hands. We just have
to be a better team.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Thank you for saying that, because we got in an
argument about sending a blitz and I said, guys need
to know how to blitz and they set pressure and
get there.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
The thing is, we're all on this one thing. I'm
one thing I've learned not to do. We got enough
hypesters out there. We got enough guys that do podcasts.

Speaker 7 (30:49):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I call them hypsters. You got enough guys that's hyping
and saying and you can fit the narrative and you
can go find film. But the thing with Diggs is
only one question. Do he want to play for the
Dallas Cowboys. That's the only question.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
And I would like to relate the cornerback situation and
with the news of the past few days with Deran
Bland to the defensive coordinator situation. Yes, because what you're
looking at with the Matt Eberflus is you've got a
cornerback situation throughout the year. Think about Deron Blant. He
had the foot surgery. Whenever it was a year ago,

(31:30):
whenever it was okay. He missed the first two games
of the season because of a foot injury, okay or not.
The second and third game of the season with a
foot injury. Now he's been playing throughout it. We saw
an Unduran Bland type performance against Marvin Harrison Junior in
Arizona and Monday Night against Arizona and a Monday night game,

(31:52):
and now it's revealed on Thursday that he needs a
likely needs surgery on his foot and he now he's
on injured reserve. So basically, when you look at his
track record throughout this season, iber Flus has had one
cornerback in Deran Bland who's been battling a foot injury

(32:12):
throughout the season, and he's got another cornerback in Trayvon Diggs,
two players that are signed to contracts totaling one hundred
and ninety million dollars, and Diggs was coming off surgery
and the games he did play the first six games
wasn't up to the stuff that we've expected. From him
in the past. He then misses eight games and comes

(32:34):
back and we saw what we saw yesterday, and it's
Iberflus who's taken the hit for this. Well, Eberflus sits
there in press conferences.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
He can't talk.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
About Dern Bland dealing with a foot injury. He can't
talk about Trayvon Diggs. He can just take the bullet
for what his defense is doing when he's having to
trot out there at cornerback, whoever.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Young and inexperience guy Savone Rebel who's coming who's coming
off a knee injury himself and as a rookie who
played it, didn't even play at East Carolina last week
because he was hurt last year.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Because he was hurt, And that's what they're dealing with
at the cornerback position.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Kayln Carson was Kayln Carson got hurt in August and
he wasn't healthy all see.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
And then somebody has the nerve to ask Jerry after
the game, are you going to fire Eba Fruz tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
The thing that's amazing, I'm not gonna even Yeah, I
don't know how I feel about that, So I'm not
gonna even the thing that is amazing that this is.
I can imagine Coach Eva Flew was talking to mister Jones, Jerry, Jerry,
I'm excited about being here with Michael Parsons and digs.

(33:50):
Oh man, I got the Macons bruh oh, I can
I can make other things happen with that. I can
manufacture some sacks coming up the middle. I can do
this and da da da, and all of a sudden.

Speaker 8 (34:02):
There.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
In this part of part of the lands hurt.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Now, yeah, Parsons hurt. And he probably said, or no,
I'm gonna have uh the marvel and.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Over shown and revel coming coming coming, Hey, come to Calvary.
And our only Cavary was Quinning in number ninety five, who.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Came in November after yeah, after the horse was already
out of the barn.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
So I tell people, you know, I listen to people talk,
but I've sat on you guys show I do every
year with you guys out in training camp, and I fellas,
this ain't turning out. This ain't looking good. This is
and it's the same thing. This record is about where
I thought we would be. We don't have the horses, fellas,

(34:57):
we have an A plus and Kenny Williams have A
and Clark. You know, if healthy Bland is a B player,
that A plus player is in Green Bay, he's unfortunately
he's injured. A plus players we got too, I think
an A plus and A players out wide, but our
offensive line c plus. So I mean, you got to

(35:23):
be dominant somewhere. What was that dominant unit for us
this year?

Speaker 4 (35:28):
The quarterback and the wide receivers, and they.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Need help to do what they need to do.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
They need help, and they basically got the blocking. Finally,
Dak got sacked once right, yes, and it was the
end of the half when he was extending to play
with time running out, So that part kind of worked
for one game. It worked, you know, no pressure. This
was a quarterback that had been sacked forty nine times

(35:55):
this season, and in the last four games he had
been sacked sixteen times and hit thirty three times.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
And they did They have a right tackle who last
played in the NFL when Nate Newton was still playing
until he came back this year, Bobby Hart. And I'm kidding,
but it was twenty twenty two. Bobby Hart was the
last time he played in the game. And then he
comes off the Street basically, and now he's their starting
right tackle.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
And they got zeroed out on sacks Herbert had all day.
This guy has been getting beat up all season, especially
this last stretch, and he didn't get sacked.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Once, not once.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
The memo being passed around by each team. This man
the Cowboys going to the drug store.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Cowboys, you will get fixed this week. Well, who said
it so? No? Jerry said. It seems like these quarterbacks
that are struggling to get well when they play us.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
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Speaker 3 (39:27):
All Right, we will have another show tomorrow which will
be our preview of the Christmas Day showdown with Washington.
That's right, as you hit the road on Wednesday with
the team noon game Dallas time, which is on Netflix, right,
I believe that's it's also locally on CBS eleven. Free

(39:49):
on CBS eleven.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
I'm told.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
So, they're going to make you do a pregame, and
we're doing a pregame show, but we are taping it
tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yes, there is a pregame show, but we're taping it
tomorrow all night. All right, anything else from yesterday's game
you want to get to? Umm, hain't anybody that?

Speaker 4 (40:08):
So I'm going to ask this if he's seen this
before because the fourth and six inches and they didn't
pick it up. I don't know if people saw this,
but when I looked at it, Lipkey ended up tripping
over their defensive tackle who was laying on the ground.

(40:31):
And I had somebody tell me that was a new
thing for defensive linemen on those short yardage things.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Just go to the ground.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Because he couldn't step. He tripped over him and he
was laying for Yeah, And I think that's what people
were doing to the tush push is just go to
the ground and make them don't get pushed back, make
them go over you. Maybe somebody will come in from.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
That's what the center always did for the original touch
push guy. His head would little just literally go into
the ground. Kelsey, Yeah, And so that made it way
you couldn't push them. But now everybody saying, okay, we're
gonna figure this out too. Were gonna see who can
dig in the ground the most man win, Yeah, sir,
everybody digging in the ground now.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
And that play was significant because they're only down a
touchdown right, and they're moving it will They're gonna go score.
It's gonna be a tie game. And he trips.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
You know, it's it's amazing. Have any team scored forty
points sixteen or more times in the season, forty points
like this weekend and week out forty four.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Because because that's what the Cowboys have.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
To do to that's that's basically what they had to
do to have a shot at being in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
There's eight games this season that the Cowboys have given
up thirty or more points.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, and so you know what the problem is. And
I hate to be that guy that keeps saying the
same thing over and over. I just knew the Cowboys
couldn't score thirty five plus points for sixteen to seventeen games.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
And that's what it was required.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
That's what it required. And everybody, you know, we're at
the end of the season and it's time to pile on.
So everybody, like I said, the hypester's gonna find out
who they're gonna pile on. But sooner or later, Fellas,
the players gonna have to change too. It ain't gonna
just be the coaches. The players gonna have to change too.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Do you think the Chargers And this was brought up
to me and I started looking at the schedule, do
you think the Chargers are the best team the Cowboys
played this year.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I think for his discipline or just well coached team quality. Yeah,
they had a linebacker that I really liked.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
That dude is a beast. He is a beast and
don't get enough. Oh don't get no pub But he
makes tackles, He's everywhere on the field. That is the
type of guy that the Dallas Cowboys need. He's twenty
twenty three third round or third round pick. This dude

(43:22):
is nice. And I'm telling you linebackers and safeties are there.
You just gotta man up and go get one people.
We don't have a second and the third because we
keep giving away quality picks to guys that don't that
don't help us in the long run. We got If
you're going to be a team that drafts, your draft

(43:45):
picks has to be valued and anybody you give up
for a draft pick has to come in here and
impact our team. And that has not been happened. I'm
talking about the first four picks. If we have a
guy that's been give we give up a fourth and
he's not on our team, being a part of the
team and really giving us a help in hand, why

(44:08):
did we do that if we're gonna value draft picks.
If we're not gonna value draft picks, we can't wait
till the second week of free agency saying well, we're
gonna get the bargain players. Fellas. Let me tell you
fans something. When you wait till the second and third
week saying I'm gonna get a bargain player when he
don't turn out during the season, just remember you waited

(44:32):
for the bargain player. Clowney is the only guy that
we got that made an impact, and it took him four.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Weeks because he hadn't played football because he hadn't played
for well, he been working out than been with a team.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Thank you. So you get what you get when you
go to these parking lots, you know, pay as you
go parking lots for your cars and they tap it
two weeks that's what you pay.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Are they take your bunny and only give you one
parking spot? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Come on.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
So one of the guys that they did take an
extensive look at with Overshown going out with the concussion
was Schamar James.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
And you think it was totally because Overshew went out, Yeah,
Overshowing only played six plays. And he had fifty snaps
in the game.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
James, I still think he's one of those guys you're
talking now. He's a fifth round pick. He was only
twenty one years old, played three years at Florida. But him,
I saw his number come up. I think he ended
up with five maybe five tack tackle something like that.
Five tackle.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yes, the thing is.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
You have to bite the bullet because he's gonna need
yeah grooming.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
You're gonna have to bite the bullet and say we're
playing our draft picks. I've been screaming this for seven,
eight nine years. How in the world you draft the
dude with a top four pick and we go out
to OTA's and he's sitting back there picking his nose,

(46:10):
playing with his helmet, and you got some dude that's
been playing for three years. I ain't did nothing. How
this is? This is one of those years where you
cannot if you draft the dude with whatever picks you
have up until the fourth round. These guys should be
once they see how veterans do it for about two days,

(46:32):
they should be in there getting these reps. I believe that,
and I know I'm we got two more games. I'm
begging the fans to ride with us. You know, because
I said something on one of my shows yesterday that
I got chewed out by Kyle Joma's They said, what
are you thinking? They? I said, it's done. You got
all over me for that. You know what I'm saying.

(46:53):
I'm like, brother, you asked me what I was thinking.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
You know, Well, James played fifty snaps seventy eight percent
right the other I'm trying to find linebackers. They reduced
Kenneth Murray to thirty six snaps. That's about what he's
been getting. Yeah, that's more than Logan Wilson Logan Wilson
twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
The thing is, men, is there's no more like when
Nick Saban went to Alabama and after his first year
he realized that he was signing better guys than he
that was already there, and he started selling his veteran guys. Hey, man,

(47:37):
you either do it this spring, I'm gonna place you
with this, with this, with this freshman. It caught on
fire for him. You know. He started like, hey, if
you're a junior, you ain't get but thirty five snaps,
you may not be playing at all.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Well.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
I remember, yeah, in eighty nine at one point, Jimmy
said about the wide receivers. Yeah, Michael was out already
towards ACL He said, dang, he goes, I had more
speeded wide receiver than I have here.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
In the NFL. That was the team thing too, right, Yeah,
we did a workout.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Man.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
I saw him tell him one of the media guys,
he said the same thing. He said, Oh jesus, my
team speed here, man, I had greater speed in Miami.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
Yeah, you know, and our first round drat him.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, Miami's back, y'all.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
That's right, did you see Michael?

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, Man, Mike, don't stop Michael. He can't gain a pound.
I mean, if he can't gain no weight to way,
he'd be running around beating drums and holling.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
And now they're coming here in the cotton ball.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Oh yeah, it's gonna be off the chain. He's gonna
be off the chain, man, m I mean, Dion, I
hate that he had a bad year. Deon Colorado had
a bad year. But what if Colorado had been winning?
Mike probably have been skinning bones running between Colorado, Miami.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
And Thing on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
He was a Michael down there and Emmett's kids playing.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Running back yeah, you know, every time I see them
give him the ball, he does something, but he's not
their full time guy.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah yeah, all right, does it Nate Risk. We appreciate you, man,
We appreciate the help. And we'll see if the other
guys show up tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
You're always welcome.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah. Yeah, I'll be looking for whenever I think it's
gonna happen. Everything a boom you show up.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
It's funny because when I text him, I said wide open,
not didn't mean the Cowboys coverage.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, oh I get it cover two. All right.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
That does it for a Monday edition of Mixed Shots.
Thank you very much, producer supreme, wonderful job. I love
the music coming in. We played some holiday music coming yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Please don't do a nice show please.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Okay, all right, and uh we'll do our final show
before Christmas tomorrow here on mix Shot said.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
High noon, Oh Cowboys.

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