August 1, 2025 • 51 mins
Lots to talk about for the first day of August, the guys lending perspective on the Cowboys scheduled to work out former offensive lineman La’el Collins in the morning, comparing his age to Nate’s career, and down playing Micah’s supposedly considering asking for a trade.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is Mick Shots, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com
and the official Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Have It's a new day, it's a new month, and
we are still here in Oxnard, California, at the corner
of Ventura and Vineyard. This is micshots. Mick has survived
the media party from last night. I'm assuming Nate not attend.
(00:42):
I did not attend, uh and we are hydrated up.
We've got waters all around.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I got you one, You've got your own. We're ready.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
You're not gonna be ready to attack the controversies of
a new day.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Mix shots. Yes, sir, it's time to take some shots,
some shots.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I have a feeling today.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You set me up with my first one.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Well, well we'll get to that. Okay, We're gonna we're
going to uh gradually get into it. Okay, first thing,
No practice today. We had two practices the last couple
of days. We got another practice tomorrow where I went
into the practice every other day mode of this training camp.
(01:28):
No practice on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Get somebody else hurt. Just no more practice go home.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Tyler Smith walked off the field yesterday with Sorene. We're
apparently going to have a former cowboy out here on
this practice behind us, apparently about that is going to
be doing a little try out for the team, and
that would be Lyle Collins. Maybe we start there, because
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my understanding is Mickey Spagnola, your shrewd reporter here, has
already had an interfacing with Lyle Collins here at Oxnow.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I ran into him in the parking lot. He was
walking walking along. He saw me, he goes hey, and
so we had a nice little chat. I was told
yesterday that that was the when they saw him. It
was the best shape they'd seen him in quite some time.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
That's before he worked out.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Before he worked out, and he works out at eleven thirty.
So if you need film, film at seven anyway. So
I run into him and he big old smile. He
looked great. I don't know how tall he is, what
do you think six or five maybe somewhere? And I
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ran into him right because he's.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So light right now, right, I bet he wasn't. He's
got Zack Martin light? Is he you saw Zach Martin
about two months after the season. Oh yeah he was.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Well, I saw him at Tyron Smith's uh Lyle and
we talked. I said, what are you doing? He goes,
I'm getting in shape. I go, what do you mean?
He goes, I still want to play? I said seriously.
He goes, yeah. He goes, this is physically the best
I have felt in years. He goes, nothing's hurting. Uh
So when I saw him, he was in great shape.
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I mean, I don't know what his aerobic deal is,
but from a weight standpoint, not sloppy. He had a
shirt on tucked in and he looked good. And so
I said, I said, how are you feeling? He goes,
the best I've felt. And so we talked and I said, so,
did you work out already? He goes, no, eleven thirty.
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I'm getting ready to go there now and get get ready.
And I said, your knees are working because you know,
and I was joking, but that was his problem. He couldn't.
And he goes, I'm good and he took off running. Wow. Right,
So and I don't know if that means he's gonna
come out here and work out well, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
He took off running just to show you he could run.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, he was excited, he was smiling, and you know,
and maybe.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
He's in a different place mentally now maybe yeah, and
a lot of times you maybe it's a resurgence.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I mean, I just believe this.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You know, we've heard a lot of great things about
the young guys and about competition, but it still comes
down do you have enough quality bodies to get through
a practice? And evidently they figured the way guys are
getting banged up that they need to get some more
bodies in here and more to marry as long as
it's competitive.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I really thirty two years old, Lyle is in fact,
he just well, yeah, he just turned thirty two on
July twenty six. You know when the last time he.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Played in the league was twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Twenty twenty two, it's been three years years. Started fifteen
games for Cincinnati in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And then the next was it the end of that
year or the end of the next year, the Cowboys
signed him to the practice squad heading towards the playoffs.
Right in twenty three, they didn't use him, but then
it was safety the.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Bills practice squad in twenty four Okay, I need to
see how, like how many weeks?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, lasted on it?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
If it was he was signed last year? Okay, he
was not on the practice squad last year with the Bills.
He was signed in April last year, so it was
with an NFL team going through their offseason program and
was at training camp with the Bills last year. He
was released on the final roster cuts in August of
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last year, so it's not like he's been sitting.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
On a couch.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, for three years since he last played in a game,
And it was in January of last year when the
Cowboys in the playoffs. He was side of the Cowboys
practice squad he had and that was the first time
he was. The previous season in twenty three, he was
with Cincinnati on pup to start the year and was
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released on September twelfth, so the first week of the season.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So thirty two. How old were you before you?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I don't know, mand what was.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
How old were you your last year you played?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You remember for thirty three, thirty four something like that.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I don't know, make but I tell like this year
more on Leo if he is mentally ready, because I
think he spent his last couple of years here with
Dallas and getting with assistance, he wasn't mentally ready to
play football, and you could tell, I mean, because he
let his body go. He didn't take care of this
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thing was flexibility to these We never questioned his toughness
once he got on the field, going at people, being aggressive,
all of that was intact. But for some reason he
couldn't get over that. That a hurdle of being in
shape and getting his flexibility back. I mean, if the
first thing as an offensive linement that you don't want
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to lose is that help and need flexibility, and he
and it seemed like he just lost it all at once.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
He and he had some injuries, That's what I'm.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Saying, the injuries and not coming back. The key to
any injury is rehab. The key to any injury, physical
injury is rehab.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And when and and the injury he had, if he
had just done.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
The proper rehab, he'd have bounced back one hundred percent
even better. But he didn't. And now years later he's
figured it out, and maybe we may see a different
Liell out here, you know, in practice. I mean he's older,
but maybe we'll see.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
A different guy.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Let me uh, let me review all of us, including
Nate himself, on Nate Newton's career. Okay, because this has
come up a couple of times, I asked him the
other day, what hold were you and the Cowboys? So
I went ahead, and since you asked it again, Mickey, let's.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Let's get some gat clear here.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yes, Nate Newton in nineteen eighty six, you were twenty
five years old and you appeared in eleven games for
the Cowboys. Yes, you became a starter in nineteen eighty seven,
nineteen eighty seven, a starter at age twenty six, eleven starts,
and then you became a fifteen and sixteen game starter
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for the next thirteen years at the Dallas Cowby. Yes,
we're talking from nineteen eighty seven at twelve years nineteen
eighty seven through nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
For real, Come on, unless Pro Football Reference as it wrong.
So you were age thirty seven, you just asked. You
just answered Mickey's question that you've it was. You were
thirty three when you were done whatever. You were thirty
seven your last year with the Cowboys. You started sixteen
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games in nineteen ninety eight, and then you were thirty
eight when you were with Carolina. So to bring it
back to the Lyle Collins.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Discussion, Nate and his last year in the NFL were
in with Carolina just seven games, thirty eight years old.
Lyle Collins just turned thirty two, So it is very
possible that Lyle Collins could come out here and be
physically healthy.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Me, Bill, every time you guys have put that question
to me, how, I always say.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I tell people how don't want you to play in
the NFLT Well maybe ten eleven years.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I don't know. It don't matter. You know, I do
know this. I got three Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I don't go if played with Toy Haley, Michael herbtt
D sad Is Tony Toe.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I played with a bunch of great players.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
You know what this reminds me of. This has crossed
my mind when you talk with great athletes, you know
who have had double digit years in professional sports, and
you and you relate it to your own athletic career.
Like the greatest moment of my athletic career was probably
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in a high school JV game when at the end
of the game, with the varsity crown and the stands,
the game was we were down two and I sunk
two free throws with no time left on mcclarcken force overtime.
That was like the greatest moment of my athletic career.
And then we're sitting here talking about he can't so
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I remember that the rest of my life, Okay, and
they can't even remember that played until he can't remember
the last five years of his career.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Wow, man, I played that.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Uh huh. He didn't remember anything after the Super Bowl
win twenty nine years ago. Basically, that was all you remember.
The three super Bowls. That's all that matters, The three
Super Bowls. I cared about the six Pro Bowls, none
of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Freaking album watching Michael Jackson do a halftime show, the
greatest moment of your career.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So thirteen years with the Cowboys, twelve.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Weel with the cow Uh No. Thirteen with their albums,
including nineteen eighty six when he wasn't a starter and
he was a special teams.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
How many four specialty boys did you have?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
No, I was I was a kickoff return, I was apta.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
You were captain of the wedge redirected if the kick
went so far?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
The hashad Yeah, rank everybody because they had loud his mouth.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Glad we got to the bottom of that.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeh.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So so comparatively, Lao Collins is a spring chick.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, here he is.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
If he can bend his knees, he can help this team.
He can with the competitive nature because he's aggressive. We've
never doubted his aggression and is a physical uh proless man.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He liked to get out the people.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
So without Rob Jones, Terrence Steeles the most experienced oldest
offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Well that's and that's the other thing with Collins is
he has played guard and tack right in his career
and so that position versatility. If he is healthy and
is good to go whatever, then they we'll see.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Well first appearances, it looks good now off the offensive line. Injuries, Uh,
I don't have the list of doing off the top
of my head, off the top of your head.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Tyler Smith leaves practice yesterday with a sore knee. He's
copparently going to be fine.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But Rob Jones done for two to three month.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Two to three months, that's two. Tyler Geydon four to
six weeks with a knee, that's three. Well, let's go,
Matt Will, let's go.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
He made it.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Achema d Entergy Also, yeah, he missed practice with there's
five offensive line injuries.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Actually made a appearance yesterday that only me and Bill.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So I saw.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
In fact, he was right here.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Who was standing up and all of a sudden Bill
Bill said, here this guy.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I looked around and he was staring right at me.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Man, Okay, where you left right, he was staring right
at me.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You okay. Yeah, I'm just letting you know I'm gonna
be back. I'm like cool, my brother.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Practice was going on, and so he came out here
and he was just he just stood right behind where
I am right now, and there was looking out of
the practice.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Man.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
That's got to be a sick feeling for a player. Yeah,
and especially when things were going well like it was
for Tyler before going down with the injury. And then
he he comes back here and he looked out in
the field and he can't be out.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
There, and Nate is turning into the Tyler Geiton whisperer.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Ire he uh. He said, hey man, they gave me
these crushes. They gave me this, and.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I'm not I said, And I told him, I said, no, dude,
they asked you to be on crushes. Be on the
crush if they're asking you, do whatever it takes. Because
I am. I got two knee replacements March of last year,
on the nineteenth, and everybody that had succes successful surgery
said one thing, rehab and I took that to heart
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and I rehabbed and I'm back and so whatever these
doctors asking you to do whatever. These trainers, you know,
jim and mister Brown, are asking you to do, do
it because they know best for you and they can
work and then you you know what I'm saying, it
helps you.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Heal quicker.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
What's the most games you missed in a row?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I think one, that's it. Yeah, one one.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
It because because we were so com you told my
competitive I remember Jimmy made me miss one game. I
had a bad knee one year and we was making
a Super Bowl run and it was at the end
of the year and we had.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Already nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, we had secured home field advantage, and he say, man, nay.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
He looked me around.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Now he say, you're not losing your job, but I
gotta let open play. He's earned the right to play.
Let him play this one game and next week you
will be back in there.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Let me say you promised, Coach.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Becky, would you like me to answer the Nate question.
I'm the authority on Nate history because I got Pro
Football Reference right in front of me. Nate missed one
game in nineteen eighty eight, started fifteen games that year,
missed two games in nineteen ninety one, fourteen starts at Real,
one game in ninety two, miss that you just talked about,
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and then ninety three through ninety six played every game,
missed three games in ninety seven, and started every game
in ninety eight. One hundred and ninety eight games in
his career, one hundred and eighty starts. So take out
the eleven when he wasn't a starter, and so through
a what was a twelve year starting career, he missed
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seven games.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Didn't know we were sitting next to an iron man.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Brother had enough fat to last.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
But let's put it in context. This is the guy
that every year came in and he had to lose
weight to get in shape to play, and then he
plays the entire season almost every year. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
You know what, I had a great agent, man.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I just got off the phone with Jim Nider was
his name, man, and he found a guy named Mike Spots,
who I thought was a great offseason train I was
one of the first guys to the off season training,
not at the facility, which was a bad thing. But
those players need to be here. But why everybody else
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has a personal training. They called me the you guy's
a fat form My guy got to be the fat
farm guy. If Michael Parsons gives a special trainer, these
other guys too, they.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Get personal training. But they had a fat farm guy.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Okay, probably because you called it that.
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Yeah, I probably did. Yeah, all right, we're just getting
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And if you are headed here to Oxnard, California, keep
in mind there's one practice this weekend. It's tomorrow Saturday practice.
There was a long practice yesterday.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It was a two hour, two hour practice. He got
it all in. That's because he only had an hour
and forty five practice when he supposedly got mad and
made him run.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Right, Mickey says, he supposedly got mad and made him run.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
How many times did Jimmy pull that?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
No, because we just fault and then when the fight
was over we started at prasing another two hours.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, right, punishment, there was punishment if you ran gassers.
It wasn't you immediately ran them and then you continued.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, so it just it is what it is, man,
It ain't it wasn't no limits back then.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I just thought it was very convenient that it was
at the end, at.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
The end of practice. And the shells also, yeah, you know,
and so and and his mind and he said, yesterday
Schottenneimer did that normally on something like that, he'll run
with the team whatever and so, but he was he
said he was too mad and he had to get
his thoughts together because he had to talk to the team.
What was probably he was probably calculating in his mind. Also,
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all right, I just cut fifteen minutes off the end
of this practice. I can add it to tomorrow's practice
in pads. And so that's what they did.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Well, Jimmy, Jimmy would act like he was mad, and
then in the back of his mind he's going, Okay,
this is what I need their physical That's.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Why I told you my Jimmy's story on that We're
at a press conference regular season and he was in
one of his moods. He was as mad as could be.
Because they hadn't played. Well, this is a big twouesday
press conference where you're in the team meeting room and
John Radigan was sitting next to me and Jimmy was
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in one of his moods. Radigan leans over and said
something to me. I start laughing, and Jimmy sees me
it says, Bill, you got a question. You got a question? Bill, No, no,
I'm good. And then and then thirty minutes later, I'm leaving.
Of course, back then we would park in the player's
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parking lot whatever. Jimmy is going on his jog, his
noon jog. He yells across the parking lot at me
and says, hey, Bill, you.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Got a question.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
It was all show because well.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You remember the Tuesday press conference that he walked out
on he got one question, got mad and walked off.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
And that Edward Oh that was that was That was
ed Warder. That was the one in the right in
the media library, little media library, and uh so he's
this was not in the meeting well the one that.
Speaker 9 (23:04):
I know.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Something funny us This was the one at the podium
in the team meeting room. And he walked off, stomping right,
and what he was getting ready to tell these guys
is when you came in on Wednesday. Oh, Jimmy's on
the warpath.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
He had it all planned out. I found all script
It was all scripted, So got to be careful about
those things.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
But that's good. That is good.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
That's what I thought when Schottenheimer did that the other day.
I said, he's got a little Jimmy in him here.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Right, Yeah, although yesterday had a little Tom in him.
He gave the answer that Tom would give to a
question when he didn't want to answer it. He would
say no, not really. And Schottenheimer did a no, not
really yesterday, not to the whole question in the middle
of the answer, right, Because I remember when I first
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got here and I got up enough nerve in the
press conference to ask Tom a question, and I had
it all thought out, and I thought it was a
great question to write my whole story about it. And
I asked it and he goes, no, not really.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That was it.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
And that was it.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I got nothing else, not no, not really.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
He stayed up all night.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
He just crushed me.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
All right, Okay, So was there anything to report from
the media party last night?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, Jerry, and and and Steven and Jerry Junior got
up the minute they heard that Michah Parsons was demanding
a trade and headed out of the party.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
They left, Wow, this is some breaking.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, stay my beating heart, are you kidding me? He's
demanding a trade?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
So they didn't know.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Oh the party continued, did they say there? They stayed?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
All right, God, this is such I think Mickey wants
to talk about Micah.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
There's a script here to these things, right, Nate. How
many headlines are out there today somebody's demanding a trade
Terry McLaurin Washington, because the guy in Cincinnati was demanding Hendrickson.
So there's a script. This is what August first, Yeah,
August first.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
We are less than five weeks away now from the
season opener, which means we're still five weeks away from
the season open.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
So you have a holdout, then you have a hold
in and nothing's budgeting, and then you're gonna demand a trade.
And you should have seen the headlines online on all
these other sites. Bombshell, Micah Parsons none with the Cowboys. Seriously.
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So the agent calls a reporter and says, hey, do
me a favor, But we're going to ask for a trade,
or Micah does says it there, and that's just the
script to follow, like they're gonna come running out of
their offices today to his apartment and say, okay, Michael,
please sit down, let's talk about this. We don't want
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to trade you. They can keep his rights for three years, right,
He's under contract this year. If he doesn't play, he's
under contract the same contract next year. And if he plays, okay, fine,
and then you franchise him and then you franchise him again.
So demanding a trade, who's going to give up two
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first round picks?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Who has two first round picks next year?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That's right, because I want both of them next year,
and then pay him what they're demanding in money. It's like, seriously, hey,
so Cleveland has two.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
First producer Supreme says, Cleveland has two first round picks,
So you got one team you can deal with.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Well, that's what I'm start to the first round picks, right, yes, Nate,
So is there anything.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Else we can talk about.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
With you?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
For the last three years, haven't we not been through this?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
See here, here's the other thing that happens with this
is there's one reporter and it's it can be a
very credible reporter. Whatever they report whatever is obvious to
everybody that it's posh whatever, but they report it as
a speculation that this could happen whatever, and then everybody
(27:36):
else picks up on it, and so now it just
blows up when it was actually just essentially the opinion
of sources that a reporter talked to.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Okay, it's not the opinion. Hey, can you do me
a favor. You know that we're considering asking.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
For a train The team you'll see them next to
the other team with a two first round draft picks
would be the Los Angeles Rams.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
So they don't need no more. Oh jeez, they don't
need no more. They got a squad already. They get
Michael Lord Jesus, they gonna be ugly man.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And they've got cap problems.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
By the way, the thing that you drafted Michael Parsons,
you nurtured him. We as media built him up. So
now this is what it is. Whenever it gets signed,
it'll get signed. I mean, I don't want to put
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a damp on it.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I know that we our fans love being talked about,
you know, their team being talked about. So y'all, y'all
discuss it. But when Michael signed, he'll sign. If he
don't sign, he'll get twenty four million dollars exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
So this is how wildfire start. They start with a
brush fire. Diana Rassini, whatever webs or site athletic, I
wasn't going to either give him that credit. She she writes,
he's considering asking for a trade, considering. Now, the first
(29:21):
thing I heard was demanding a trade, right, And it
was all off a gift he put on, I don't know,
there's a TikTok or whatever. And it was him and
him and and and and Trayvon Diggs and it was
something about the last thing or something like that, like
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he was ready to leave final ride.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's just we need to media.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
He's considering action for a trade. Well, he don't have
to consider it because you already put it out there.
So I mean, and mister Jones loves it, Yeah, he
loves it. It's the New York Yankees deal. All media
bad are good. I mean, I'm on your mind.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
So he loves it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That's the last thing tech Shrem taught Jerry Jones. It
was like good or bad, you're in this in the
picture all the time, all the time, New York Yankees.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
That's that.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Okay? Are you done?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I am Okay. That was your mix shot for today.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
That's probably too much time we spent on it in
the first place.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Okay, got you more up your sleeve? I hope, because
we got another fifteen minutes to go here. Let's give
some training camp observations when we come back here on
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Speaker 3 (33:22):
All right, we got about twelve minutes left. Let's get
into training camp observations. Let's start with Nate and Nate. Well,
I want your take on what you're seeing out of
seventy one young Nate Thomas, who's lining up with the
first team offense at left tackle.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
He's looking okay for the most part.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
He's getting his assignments. What I worry about is when
somebody does make a play on him versus the past,
because that is the big thing. Versus the past. He
have a Tennessee sometime to lean, you know, lean into
a guy shit have put his arms out there.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
And once you lean on any.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Seasoned veteran, any guy that knows how to per once
you lean, no matter where you add in the past rush,
they gonna grab a shoulder and do a quick dip
on you. So he's got to learn to stay back.
You know, he's strong enough, can't nobody. He ain't gonna
run over.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
That ain't happening. So you're strong enough. Make sure your aiming.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Point on your drops are good for his past rush.
Put that big left hand out there and make him
run around you know what.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah, I saw that twice. Yeah, he was leaning in
the guy, even to the inside. Yes, sir, it was
like he was trying to push him into the guard.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, you don't have to do that. He is he
is all man and his strength and his quickness is good.
What you call it working in God. Sam Williams is
working now. Number fifty four. Out of all the defensive players,
he's flashing at me the most, and wow, he just
he flashing Sam, number fifty four, Sam wiediam He is flashing,
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but he's giving him. When he's getting beats by Sam,
that's that just quick move. But other than that, he's
on top of it. He's he's been physical. Everybody else
is not having a lot of success against him. He's
doing a good job so far, so good. Number sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
On the other side, Johnny Corny he's.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Doing okay as a second teamer. Austin Richard's doing good
as second team left guard, I mean left top. So
yesterday they put tj Bass in there for to replace
all pro left guard.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
So and they moved brock Hoffman over the left yard.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Yeah, so the thing now and so even though the
competition is great, you still need bodies. And this is
where we I'm hoping that Lyell can come in and
give him some type of punch.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
You know, it's just.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Because it's physical. And I like what coach is saying.
Coach say, I'm not backing up my practice standards. Is
my practice standards get to get meaner. You know, if
you get bumped, mister day, come back the next day.
So I'm liking what I'm seeing. I mean, better bodies
now than bodies later.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Well, and and the one thing is though, if you're hurt,
you got to say something. Yes they Rob Jones did
not say anything. Yeah, no, he knew.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
But you know what the thing is. You you can
have a nick pain and you thinking you're working through it, right,
but then when you settled down and you said, oh
my god, that when you're in practice and you adrenaline
going last year.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
He had probably said something within two periods because you
have that space where you were just down this guy.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Don't give you a chance to think you're on the
move and you're practicing.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
I remember a lot of times I would come out
after practicing and I would tell Ji, like jim My
ankle hurt. And then I look on film with somebody
done roll me up. But that the time, I adrenaline
be so high. So you practicing and you going. So
he was going, he felt the pain.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Once he calmed down right.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
And they finally said something. And then when you find
out the bone that's broken in your neck is your vertebrae,
which protects your spinal cord, that's serious stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Well see that's what I'm trying to say. Like we
thought that Guidon had blew his knee. Yeah, you know
we we there's certain things that we we as media
and as human beings. We panic, Oh he's blowing his knee.
And they said, Okay, it's just a break. Ain't a break.
Oh man, he broke a bone in his neck. Hey,
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ain't that's terrible too. I mean, he didn't break his neck,
for say, but he broke a bone in it, right,
So it's just how you're looking at it.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
That's That's like when somebody breaks a bone in their
foot and they say they got a broken foot. Now
broken the bones so anyway, but yeah, they As a
matter of fact, the first time I think he walked
around with a neck brace on, he had a hoodie
like he didn't want to show, right, he had a
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brace on. Yesterday he walked past us when we were taping,
and uh, he actually had a smile on us face,
but he was upset that he got hurt. And I
could I could understand that.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Because he believes. This is what I'm praying for Coach Shutenhaimer,
I really am.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
He has guys believing that if you're the best guy
leaving out of this camp, and you're the best guy
leaving uh this training camp and going through preseason, that
you actually have a chance to win a job or
have a lot of playing time. You got guys believe
in that. You see here run in the backs, you
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could you know, you don't know who the starter is
gonna be. These backs are running hard. You see Bill
like Marquis Bell came to fill the gap. He hit
a guy boom, not into the ground. Three plays later,
Sam Williams come through, boom knocks a guy to the ground.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
If they did that last year, they had to stop practice. Hey, man,
hold on, we are what we're doing. It ain't stopping, bro.
This thing is banging. Man is banging like you ran in.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Mollie Cooker thought this was tackle practice the other day
he was putting guys underground. Now I don't know if
this was a new thing or not, but I noticed
the guys rehabbing yesterday were in their jerseys and had
their helmets. Yeah uh, including Trayvon Diggs, who was not
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out there with street clothes, well not street clothes but whatever.
So he that was the first time I've seen him
with his jersey on, he had a helmet, and he
had his football cleats on, so maybe I was thinking
maybe he getting closer. After afterwards he walked off barefoot. Yes, yeah, absolutely,
(40:04):
I was thinking, maybe he's getting closer. But then I
recognized that all the other guys had their jerseys on too.
So to me, from what I've been told, it's almost
not his knee either. Worried about They're worried about his conditioning.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
That is what hurt him last year and talking to
the trainers, they wanted him.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
To be in better shape before they released him back
to the field, but he just negotiated, kept talking to
the coaches, kept talking to management, and negotiated his way
back on that field, and they wanted to get him
in better shape and he wasn't and we see residuals
to that.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Now they're asking him the same thing, Let us get
you in shape so you can be the player that
we once saw. Now is he smart enough to protect
himself from himself or is he gonna be good? You know,
don't don't have that attitude.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Coach Shottenham is trying to teach these guys, trying to
get them to understand this is not only about you
now right, this is about being the best for you
can be within the team concept.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So some of that's going on with savonn Revel also
coming back from the a c L talking to him,
and from what I've been told is the repaired needs
coming along fine. What he's having problems with is when
they reconstruct your ACL, they take part of your PTEL
attendant from their good knee and they use that as
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the repair for the other knee and he he said
that he was starting to get some ache over there
like that. He's got to work on that.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
So, while this need is getting better, this one he
doesn't have confidence in. Uh And so that's what's holding
him up. Because he tore his a c L after
third game last year in the college season, so that
would have been the end of September, probably somewhere in September.
So he's almost, you know, eleven months out rehabbing. But
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I asked him, I said, when do you think you'll
be ready? Have they given you an idea? He goes,
I'll be ready when Britt tells me I'm ready, And
so he trusted he got there. And again remember they
didn't get him into their rehab program until May, right
was after the draft. Yes, so they haven't had him
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that long. And if we go back to Diggs, this
was the first week they worked with him on a
full time basis.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
You know, you know, and I know players hear what
we say and stuff like that, And like I tell
people like this right here, I can be critical of
a player, but I'm giving you from a X player,
a former player, perspective on what is expected as an
elite player. Diggs at one point was considered the elite player,
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and I'm not saying he's not one now, but you
haven't seen it lately.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
So to get back to that elite status, you take
them extra steps.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
You you have to have some type of relationship with
the training staff because they are the ones that that's
talking to mister Jones, talking to Will McClay saying, this
is where we think he's at, you know, and let's
go with what we think to protect this kid, to
get him in shape and uh and and now you
can be the best you can be. So same with
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Parsons coming back, Same with this young man you just
talked about Mick. Trusting these guys because their their job
is to protect you from the team and from yourself.
They they're gonna say no, he's not ready. They're gonna
they're gonna help you. They're not gonna turn on you
because their their their reputations there they're invested in.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah, their reputation is at stake.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
So trusting these guys and believe that they gonna get
you right if you allow them. Come out here with
enthusiasm to workout, to rehab and to get yourself back
on the field a place so you can show people
that you're worthy of what you're asking.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Give me one player, uh off off the radar player,
someone that maybe a non starter who has caught your eye.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
The Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I can start if you want.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
If you want, I got one. I already got one.
The Cowboys were working Blue yesterday Jaden Blue. Miles Sanders
did not practice and he got the second team, but
he was the first one up second team reps. And
I'm telling you, this kid has got something. There wasn't
big holes Nate, but he was like slithering through and
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because of his speed and acceleration when he hits that hole.
And I'm talking between the tackles. I'm not talking going outside.
I'm talking between the tackles. This guy looks like he
shot out of a canyon. And I'm telling you, they're
they're looking at this. They're looking at him and Cavante
(45:09):
Turpin on the field at the same time with the
two wide receivers. Somebody's gonna get covered with a linebacker
and it's no match. So, uh, they're throwing the ball
downfield to Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
You know like that, you know it's interesting. As I
posed this question, Brian Schottenheimer at the end of the
press conference yesterday, was asked basically the same question, a
list of players who are caught his eye?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
That and he so he ran down a list of.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Players who have had good camps. Whatever, I guarantee you like, Jimmy.
As he looked at his roster and was going down
the players, there are players that he skipped, right, not
publicly want to say that this guy's having a good
camp before strategic reasons when you come down to the
roster decisions at the end where you don't want another
team to pick up on a guy.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I got another one, but I'm gonna let Nate go.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Six. Tight end Tyler Nabel Neville.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Neville, this dude is blocking folks. If you if you're
looking for a blocker, this dude was jacking folks up. Linebackers,
outside linebackers, inside linebackers, defensive men's his kid blocks with
a vengeance.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
You know what, he's smart. He finished up.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
He finished up his collegiate career at Virginia. You know
where he started it? Where graduated from where?
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Harvard?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Wow, Well, I tell you what, he's smart enough to
knock folks out. You got that down. You got a
three point five average. We're knocking folks out.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Well if I if I remember this correctly, the the
guarantee they gave him on his rookie for age and
contract basically assures him off at least being on the
practice squad and with spain Ford out with the mc
all I think it was his knee. Uh, just giving
this kid some reps.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Now him and John Stevens go ahead and uh, the
guy the wide receiver, let us Uh, I know where
you're going. Go number seven. Yes, Trey Shawn Holden.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Oh my god, he's had two days of catches, their highlights.
He looks the part.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
I mean, he's got an NFL body and he's made
those catches that you're talking about. I want to watch
him closer. But he's gonna shine in these if he
if the passes are accurate.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
He's going to shine in these preseason games. He started
his career at Alabama and then transferred to Oregon. So
he was a top recruit coming out of high school
and he was with Junior Adams, the receivers coach at Oregon.
But that that guy, and I don't know what his
makeup is as far as his special teams being able
to cover kicks. That's going to be a key on
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whether he can make this final roster or not.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
But he looks the part and the because the Tobers,
they can't catch a pass between them, either one of them,
the Tolberds, the Tolberts, yeah, Jalen h the other one No.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
The Jalens whatever they are whatever, either can catch.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
All right, Okay, waterbacks and running back.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Well, all I know is Jalen Brooks and uh for
noy you're on notice because this holding guy has looks
like the big time notice man.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
Then there's three Jalens. Yeah, Jalen Brooks, Jalen Cropper.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
And every one of y'all I own notice because this
kid holding his coming and tight end Jason Ferguson every
day is taking all of y'all passes this and number nine.
So yes, your own notice, like Mickey has a hard
for this kid.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Uh, parses, I got it for. They are to your
game together. All right.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
That does it for mixed shots. We'll all shout at
you again on Tuesday, and Nate will be on a
variety of shows the rest of the way. In training,
cab Go Cowboys.
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
Have It's a new day, it's a new month, and
we are still here in Oxnard, California, at the corner
of Ventura and Vineyard. This is micshots. Mick has survived
the media party from last night. I'm assuming Nate not attend.
(00:42):
I did not attend, uh and we are hydrated up.
We've got waters all around.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I got you one, You've got your own. We're ready.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
You're not gonna be ready to attack the controversies of
a new day.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Mix shots. Yes, sir, it's time to take some shots,
some shots.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I have a feeling today.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You set me up with my first one.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Well, well we'll get to that. Okay, We're gonna we're
going to uh gradually get into it. Okay, first thing,
No practice today. We had two practices the last couple
of days. We got another practice tomorrow where I went
into the practice every other day mode of this training camp.
(01:28):
No practice on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Get somebody else hurt. Just no more practice go home.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Tyler Smith walked off the field yesterday with Sorene. We're
apparently going to have a former cowboy out here on
this practice behind us, apparently about that is going to
be doing a little try out for the team, and
that would be Lyle Collins. Maybe we start there, because
(01:54):
my understanding is Mickey Spagnola, your shrewd reporter here, has
already had an interfacing with Lyle Collins here at Oxnow.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I ran into him in the parking lot. He was
walking walking along. He saw me, he goes hey, and
so we had a nice little chat. I was told
yesterday that that was the when they saw him. It
was the best shape they'd seen him in quite some time.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
That's before he worked out.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Before he worked out, and he works out at eleven thirty.
So if you need film, film at seven anyway. So
I run into him and he big old smile. He
looked great. I don't know how tall he is, what
do you think six or five maybe somewhere? And I
(02:51):
ran into him right because he's.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So light right now, right, I bet he wasn't. He's
got Zack Martin light? Is he you saw Zach Martin
about two months after the season. Oh yeah he was.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Well, I saw him at Tyron Smith's uh Lyle and
we talked. I said, what are you doing? He goes,
I'm getting in shape. I go, what do you mean?
He goes, I still want to play? I said seriously.
He goes, yeah. He goes, this is physically the best
I have felt in years. He goes, nothing's hurting. Uh
So when I saw him, he was in great shape.
(03:27):
I mean, I don't know what his aerobic deal is,
but from a weight standpoint, not sloppy. He had a
shirt on tucked in and he looked good. And so
I said, I said, how are you feeling? He goes,
the best I've felt. And so we talked and I said, so,
did you work out already? He goes, no, eleven thirty.
(03:49):
I'm getting ready to go there now and get get ready.
And I said, your knees are working because you know,
and I was joking, but that was his problem. He couldn't.
And he goes, I'm good and he took off running. Wow. Right,
So and I don't know if that means he's gonna
come out here and work out well, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
He took off running just to show you he could run.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, he was excited, he was smiling, and you know,
and maybe.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
He's in a different place mentally now maybe yeah, and
a lot of times you maybe it's a resurgence.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I mean, I just believe this.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You know, we've heard a lot of great things about
the young guys and about competition, but it still comes
down do you have enough quality bodies to get through
a practice? And evidently they figured the way guys are
getting banged up that they need to get some more
bodies in here and more to marry as long as
it's competitive.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I really thirty two years old, Lyle is in fact,
he just well, yeah, he just turned thirty two on
July twenty six. You know when the last time he.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Played in the league was twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Twenty twenty two, it's been three years years. Started fifteen
games for Cincinnati in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And then the next was it the end of that
year or the end of the next year, the Cowboys
signed him to the practice squad heading towards the playoffs.
Right in twenty three, they didn't use him, but then
it was safety the.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Bills practice squad in twenty four Okay, I need to
see how, like how many weeks?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, lasted on it?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
If it was he was signed last year? Okay, he
was not on the practice squad last year with the Bills.
He was signed in April last year, so it was
with an NFL team going through their offseason program and
was at training camp with the Bills last year. He
was released on the final roster cuts in August of
(05:49):
last year, so it's not like he's been sitting.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
On a couch.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, for three years since he last played in a game,
And it was in January of last year when the
Cowboys in the playoffs. He was side of the Cowboys
practice squad he had and that was the first time
he was. The previous season in twenty three, he was
with Cincinnati on pup to start the year and was
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released on September twelfth, so the first week of the season.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So thirty two. How old were you before you?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I don't know, mand what was.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
How old were you your last year you played?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You remember for thirty three, thirty four something like that.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I don't know, make but I tell like this year
more on Leo if he is mentally ready, because I
think he spent his last couple of years here with
Dallas and getting with assistance, he wasn't mentally ready to
play football, and you could tell, I mean, because he
let his body go. He didn't take care of this
(06:51):
thing was flexibility to these We never questioned his toughness
once he got on the field, going at people, being aggressive,
all of that was intact. But for some reason he
couldn't get over that. That a hurdle of being in
shape and getting his flexibility back. I mean, if the
first thing as an offensive linement that you don't want
(07:12):
to lose is that help and need flexibility, and he
and it seemed like he just lost it all at once.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
He and he had some injuries, That's what I'm.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Saying, the injuries and not coming back. The key to
any injury is rehab. The key to any injury, physical
injury is rehab.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And when and and the injury he had, if he
had just done.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
The proper rehab, he'd have bounced back one hundred percent
even better. But he didn't. And now years later he's
figured it out, and maybe we may see a different
Liell out here, you know, in practice. I mean he's older,
but maybe we'll see.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
A different guy.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Let me uh, let me review all of us, including
Nate himself, on Nate Newton's career. Okay, because this has
come up a couple of times, I asked him the
other day, what hold were you and the Cowboys? So
I went ahead, and since you asked it again, Mickey, let's.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Let's get some gat clear here.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yes, Nate Newton in nineteen eighty six, you were twenty
five years old and you appeared in eleven games for
the Cowboys. Yes, you became a starter in nineteen eighty seven,
nineteen eighty seven, a starter at age twenty six, eleven starts,
and then you became a fifteen and sixteen game starter
(08:38):
for the next thirteen years at the Dallas Cowby. Yes,
we're talking from nineteen eighty seven at twelve years nineteen
eighty seven through nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
For real, Come on, unless Pro Football Reference as it wrong.
So you were age thirty seven, you just asked. You
just answered Mickey's question that you've it was. You were
thirty three when you were done whatever. You were thirty
seven your last year with the Cowboys. You started sixteen
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games in nineteen ninety eight, and then you were thirty
eight when you were with Carolina. So to bring it
back to the Lyle Collins.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Discussion, Nate and his last year in the NFL were
in with Carolina just seven games, thirty eight years old.
Lyle Collins just turned thirty two, So it is very
possible that Lyle Collins could come out here and be
physically healthy.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Me, Bill, every time you guys have put that question
to me, how, I always say.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I tell people how don't want you to play in
the NFLT Well maybe ten eleven years.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I don't know. It don't matter. You know, I do
know this. I got three Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I don't go if played with Toy Haley, Michael herbtt
D sad Is Tony Toe.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I played with a bunch of great players.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
You know what this reminds me of. This has crossed
my mind when you talk with great athletes, you know
who have had double digit years in professional sports, and
you and you relate it to your own athletic career.
Like the greatest moment of my athletic career was probably
(10:25):
in a high school JV game when at the end
of the game, with the varsity crown and the stands,
the game was we were down two and I sunk
two free throws with no time left on mcclarcken force overtime.
That was like the greatest moment of my athletic career.
And then we're sitting here talking about he can't so
(10:46):
I remember that the rest of my life, Okay, and
they can't even remember that played until he can't remember
the last five years of his career.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Wow, man, I played that.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Uh huh. He didn't remember anything after the Super Bowl
win twenty nine years ago. Basically, that was all you remember.
The three super Bowls. That's all that matters, The three
Super Bowls. I cared about the six Pro Bowls, none
of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Freaking album watching Michael Jackson do a halftime show, the
greatest moment of your career.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So thirteen years with the Cowboys, twelve.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Weel with the cow Uh No. Thirteen with their albums,
including nineteen eighty six when he wasn't a starter and
he was a special teams.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
How many four specialty boys did you have?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
No, I was I was a kickoff return, I was apta.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
You were captain of the wedge redirected if the kick
went so far?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
The hashad Yeah, rank everybody because they had loud his mouth.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Glad we got to the bottom of that.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeh.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So so comparatively, Lao Collins is a spring chick.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, here he is.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
If he can bend his knees, he can help this team.
He can with the competitive nature because he's aggressive. We've
never doubted his aggression and is a physical uh proless man.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He liked to get out the people.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
So without Rob Jones, Terrence Steeles the most experienced oldest
offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Well that's and that's the other thing with Collins is
he has played guard and tack right in his career
and so that position versatility. If he is healthy and
is good to go whatever, then they we'll see.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Well first appearances, it looks good now off the offensive line. Injuries, Uh,
I don't have the list of doing off the top
of my head, off the top of your head.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Tyler Smith leaves practice yesterday with a sore knee. He's
copparently going to be fine.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But Rob Jones done for two to three month.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Two to three months, that's two. Tyler Geydon four to
six weeks with a knee, that's three. Well, let's go,
Matt Will, let's go.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
He made it.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Achema d Entergy Also, yeah, he missed practice with there's
five offensive line injuries.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Actually made a appearance yesterday that only me and Bill.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So I saw.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
In fact, he was right here.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Who was standing up and all of a sudden Bill
Bill said, here this guy.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I looked around and he was staring right at me.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Man, Okay, where you left right, he was staring right
at me.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You okay. Yeah, I'm just letting you know I'm gonna
be back. I'm like cool, my brother.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Practice was going on, and so he came out here
and he was just he just stood right behind where
I am right now, and there was looking out of
the practice.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Man.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
That's got to be a sick feeling for a player. Yeah,
and especially when things were going well like it was
for Tyler before going down with the injury. And then
he he comes back here and he looked out in
the field and he can't be out.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
There, and Nate is turning into the Tyler Geiton whisperer.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Ire he uh. He said, hey man, they gave me
these crushes. They gave me this, and.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I'm not I said, And I told him, I said, no, dude,
they asked you to be on crushes. Be on the
crush if they're asking you, do whatever it takes. Because
I am. I got two knee replacements March of last year,
on the nineteenth, and everybody that had succes successful surgery
said one thing, rehab and I took that to heart
(14:37):
and I rehabbed and I'm back and so whatever these
doctors asking you to do whatever. These trainers, you know,
jim and mister Brown, are asking you to do, do
it because they know best for you and they can
work and then you you know what I'm saying, it
helps you.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Heal quicker.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
What's the most games you missed in a row?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I think one, that's it. Yeah, one one.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
It because because we were so com you told my
competitive I remember Jimmy made me miss one game. I
had a bad knee one year and we was making
a Super Bowl run and it was at the end
of the year and we had.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Already nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, we had secured home field advantage, and he say, man, nay.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
He looked me around.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Now he say, you're not losing your job, but I
gotta let open play. He's earned the right to play.
Let him play this one game and next week you
will be back in there.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Let me say you promised, Coach.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Becky, would you like me to answer the Nate question.
I'm the authority on Nate history because I got Pro
Football Reference right in front of me. Nate missed one
game in nineteen eighty eight, started fifteen games that year,
missed two games in nineteen ninety one, fourteen starts at Real,
one game in ninety two, miss that you just talked about,
(16:02):
and then ninety three through ninety six played every game,
missed three games in ninety seven, and started every game
in ninety eight. One hundred and ninety eight games in
his career, one hundred and eighty starts. So take out
the eleven when he wasn't a starter, and so through
a what was a twelve year starting career, he missed
(16:25):
seven games.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Didn't know we were sitting next to an iron man.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Brother had enough fat to last.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
But let's put it in context. This is the guy
that every year came in and he had to lose
weight to get in shape to play, and then he
plays the entire season almost every year. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
You know what, I had a great agent, man.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I just got off the phone with Jim Nider was
his name, man, and he found a guy named Mike Spots,
who I thought was a great offseason train I was
one of the first guys to the off season training,
not at the facility, which was a bad thing. But
those players need to be here. But why everybody else
(17:08):
has a personal training. They called me the you guy's
a fat form My guy got to be the fat
farm guy. If Michael Parsons gives a special trainer, these
other guys too, they.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Get personal training. But they had a fat farm guy.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Okay, probably because you called it that.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, I probably did. Yeah, all right, we're just getting
started on this edition of Mixed Shots. You mentioned Micah,
you mentioned Trayvon. We'll see if Mickey wants to talk
about that when we come back.
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in mind there's one practice this weekend. It's tomorrow Saturday practice.
There was a long practice yesterday.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It was a two hour, two hour practice. He got
it all in. That's because he only had an hour
and forty five practice when he supposedly got mad and
made him run.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Right, Mickey says, he supposedly got mad and made him run.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
How many times did Jimmy pull that?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
No, because we just fault and then when the fight
was over we started at prasing another two hours.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, right, punishment, there was punishment if you ran gassers.
It wasn't you immediately ran them and then you continued.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, so it just it is what it is, man,
It ain't it wasn't no limits back then.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I just thought it was very convenient that it was
at the end, at.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
The end of practice. And the shells also, yeah, you know,
and so and and his mind and he said, yesterday
Schottenneimer did that normally on something like that, he'll run
with the team whatever and so, but he was he
said he was too mad and he had to get
his thoughts together because he had to talk to the team.
What was probably he was probably calculating in his mind. Also,
(21:29):
all right, I just cut fifteen minutes off the end
of this practice. I can add it to tomorrow's practice
in pads. And so that's what they did.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Well, Jimmy, Jimmy would act like he was mad, and
then in the back of his mind he's going, Okay,
this is what I need their physical That's.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Why I told you my Jimmy's story on that We're
at a press conference regular season and he was in
one of his moods. He was as mad as could be.
Because they hadn't played. Well, this is a big twouesday
press conference where you're in the team meeting room and
John Radigan was sitting next to me and Jimmy was
(22:07):
in one of his moods. Radigan leans over and said
something to me. I start laughing, and Jimmy sees me
it says, Bill, you got a question. You got a question? Bill, No, no,
I'm good. And then and then thirty minutes later, I'm leaving.
Of course, back then we would park in the player's
(22:28):
parking lot whatever. Jimmy is going on his jog, his
noon jog. He yells across the parking lot at me
and says, hey, Bill, you.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Got a question.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
It was all show because well.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You remember the Tuesday press conference that he walked out
on he got one question, got mad and walked off.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
And that Edward Oh that was that was That was
ed Warder. That was the one in the right in
the media library, little media library, and uh so he's
this was not in the meeting well the one that.
Speaker 9 (23:04):
I know.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Something funny us This was the one at the podium
in the team meeting room. And he walked off, stomping right,
and what he was getting ready to tell these guys
is when you came in on Wednesday. Oh, Jimmy's on
the warpath.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
He had it all planned out. I found all script
It was all scripted, So got to be careful about
those things.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
But that's good. That is good.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
That's what I thought when Schottenheimer did that the other day.
I said, he's got a little Jimmy in him here.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Right, Yeah, although yesterday had a little Tom in him.
He gave the answer that Tom would give to a
question when he didn't want to answer it. He would
say no, not really. And Schottenheimer did a no, not
really yesterday, not to the whole question in the middle
of the answer, right, Because I remember when I first
(24:01):
got here and I got up enough nerve in the
press conference to ask Tom a question, and I had
it all thought out, and I thought it was a
great question to write my whole story about it. And
I asked it and he goes, no, not really.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That was it.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
And that was it.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I got nothing else, not no, not really.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
He stayed up all night.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
He just crushed me.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
All right, Okay, So was there anything to report from
the media party last night?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, Jerry, and and and Steven and Jerry Junior got
up the minute they heard that Michah Parsons was demanding
a trade and headed out of the party.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
They left, Wow, this is some breaking.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, stay my beating heart, are you kidding me? He's
demanding a trade?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
So they didn't know.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Oh the party continued, did they say there? They stayed?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
All right, God, this is such I think Mickey wants
to talk about Micah.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
There's a script here to these things, right, Nate. How
many headlines are out there today somebody's demanding a trade
Terry McLaurin Washington, because the guy in Cincinnati was demanding Hendrickson.
So there's a script. This is what August first, Yeah,
August first.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
We are less than five weeks away now from the
season opener, which means we're still five weeks away from
the season open.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
So you have a holdout, then you have a hold
in and nothing's budgeting, and then you're gonna demand a trade.
And you should have seen the headlines online on all
these other sites. Bombshell, Micah Parsons none with the Cowboys. Seriously.
(25:52):
So the agent calls a reporter and says, hey, do
me a favor, But we're going to ask for a trade,
or Micah does says it there, and that's just the
script to follow, like they're gonna come running out of
their offices today to his apartment and say, okay, Michael,
please sit down, let's talk about this. We don't want
(26:13):
to trade you. They can keep his rights for three years, right,
He's under contract this year. If he doesn't play, he's
under contract the same contract next year. And if he plays, okay, fine,
and then you franchise him and then you franchise him again.
So demanding a trade, who's going to give up two
(26:37):
first round picks?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Who has two first round picks next year?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That's right, because I want both of them next year,
and then pay him what they're demanding in money. It's like, seriously, hey,
so Cleveland has two.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
First producer Supreme says, Cleveland has two first round picks,
So you got one team you can deal with.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Well, that's what I'm start to the first round picks, right, yes, Nate,
So is there anything.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Else we can talk about.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
With you?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
For the last three years, haven't we not been through this?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
See here, here's the other thing that happens with this
is there's one reporter and it's it can be a
very credible reporter. Whatever they report whatever is obvious to
everybody that it's posh whatever, but they report it as
a speculation that this could happen whatever, and then everybody
(27:36):
else picks up on it, and so now it just
blows up when it was actually just essentially the opinion
of sources that a reporter talked to.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Okay, it's not the opinion. Hey, can you do me
a favor. You know that we're considering asking.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
For a train The team you'll see them next to
the other team with a two first round draft picks
would be the Los Angeles Rams.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
So they don't need no more. Oh jeez, they don't
need no more. They got a squad already. They get
Michael Lord Jesus, they gonna be ugly man.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And they've got cap problems.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
By the way, the thing that you drafted Michael Parsons,
you nurtured him. We as media built him up. So
now this is what it is. Whenever it gets signed,
it'll get signed. I mean, I don't want to put
(28:41):
a damp on it.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I know that we our fans love being talked about,
you know, their team being talked about. So y'all, y'all
discuss it. But when Michael signed, he'll sign. If he
don't sign, he'll get twenty four million dollars exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
So this is how wildfire start. They start with a
brush fire. Diana Rassini, whatever webs or site athletic, I
wasn't going to either give him that credit. She she writes,
he's considering asking for a trade, considering. Now, the first
(29:21):
thing I heard was demanding a trade, right, And it
was all off a gift he put on, I don't know,
there's a TikTok or whatever. And it was him and
him and and and and Trayvon Diggs and it was
something about the last thing or something like that, like
(29:43):
he was ready to leave final ride.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's just we need to media.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
He's considering action for a trade. Well, he don't have
to consider it because you already put it out there.
So I mean, and mister Jones loves it, Yeah, he
loves it. It's the New York Yankees deal. All media
bad are good. I mean, I'm on your mind.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
So he loves it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That's the last thing tech Shrem taught Jerry Jones. It
was like good or bad, you're in this in the
picture all the time, all the time, New York Yankees.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
That's that.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Okay? Are you done?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I am Okay. That was your mix shot for today.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
That's probably too much time we spent on it in
the first place.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Okay, got you more up your sleeve? I hope, because
we got another fifteen minutes to go here. Let's give
some training camp observations when we come back here on
mix shots on just a football.
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Speaker 3 (33:22):
All right, we got about twelve minutes left. Let's get
into training camp observations. Let's start with Nate and Nate. Well,
I want your take on what you're seeing out of
seventy one young Nate Thomas, who's lining up with the
first team offense at left tackle.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
He's looking okay for the most part.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
He's getting his assignments. What I worry about is when
somebody does make a play on him versus the past,
because that is the big thing. Versus the past. He
have a Tennessee sometime to lean, you know, lean into
a guy shit have put his arms out there.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
And once you lean on any.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Seasoned veteran, any guy that knows how to per once
you lean, no matter where you add in the past rush,
they gonna grab a shoulder and do a quick dip
on you. So he's got to learn to stay back.
You know, he's strong enough, can't nobody. He ain't gonna
run over.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
That ain't happening. So you're strong enough. Make sure your aiming.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Point on your drops are good for his past rush.
Put that big left hand out there and make him
run around you know what.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah, I saw that twice. Yeah, he was leaning in
the guy, even to the inside. Yes, sir, it was
like he was trying to push him into the guard.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, you don't have to do that. He is he
is all man and his strength and his quickness is good.
What you call it working in God. Sam Williams is
working now. Number fifty four. Out of all the defensive players,
he's flashing at me the most, and wow, he just
he flashing Sam, number fifty four, Sam wiediam He is flashing,
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but he's giving him. When he's getting beats by Sam,
that's that just quick move. But other than that, he's
on top of it. He's he's been physical. Everybody else
is not having a lot of success against him. He's
doing a good job so far, so good. Number sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
On the other side, Johnny Corny he's.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Doing okay as a second teamer. Austin Richard's doing good
as second team left guard, I mean left top. So
yesterday they put tj Bass in there for to replace
all pro left guard.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
So and they moved brock Hoffman over the left yard.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Yeah, so the thing now and so even though the
competition is great, you still need bodies. And this is
where we I'm hoping that Lyell can come in and
give him some type of punch.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
You know, it's just.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Because it's physical. And I like what coach is saying.
Coach say, I'm not backing up my practice standards. Is
my practice standards get to get meaner. You know, if
you get bumped, mister day, come back the next day.
So I'm liking what I'm seeing. I mean, better bodies
now than bodies later.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Well, and and the one thing is though, if you're hurt,
you got to say something. Yes they Rob Jones did
not say anything. Yeah, no, he knew.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
But you know what the thing is. You you can
have a nick pain and you thinking you're working through it, right,
but then when you settled down and you said, oh
my god, that when you're in practice and you adrenaline
going last year.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
He had probably said something within two periods because you
have that space where you were just down this guy.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Don't give you a chance to think you're on the
move and you're practicing.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
I remember a lot of times I would come out
after practicing and I would tell Ji, like jim My
ankle hurt. And then I look on film with somebody
done roll me up. But that the time, I adrenaline
be so high. So you practicing and you going. So
he was going, he felt the pain.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Once he calmed down right.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
And they finally said something. And then when you find
out the bone that's broken in your neck is your vertebrae,
which protects your spinal cord, that's serious stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Well see that's what I'm trying to say. Like we
thought that Guidon had blew his knee. Yeah, you know
we we there's certain things that we we as media
and as human beings. We panic, Oh he's blowing his knee.
And they said, Okay, it's just a break. Ain't a break.
Oh man, he broke a bone in his neck. Hey,
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ain't that's terrible too. I mean, he didn't break his neck,
for say, but he broke a bone in it, right,
So it's just how you're looking at it.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
That's That's like when somebody breaks a bone in their
foot and they say they got a broken foot. Now
broken the bones so anyway, but yeah, they As a
matter of fact, the first time I think he walked
around with a neck brace on, he had a hoodie
like he didn't want to show, right, he had a
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brace on. Yesterday he walked past us when we were taping,
and uh, he actually had a smile on us face,
but he was upset that he got hurt. And I
could I could understand that.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Because he believes. This is what I'm praying for Coach Shutenhaimer,
I really am.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
He has guys believing that if you're the best guy
leaving out of this camp, and you're the best guy
leaving uh this training camp and going through preseason, that
you actually have a chance to win a job or
have a lot of playing time. You got guys believe
in that. You see here run in the backs, you
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could you know, you don't know who the starter is
gonna be. These backs are running hard. You see Bill
like Marquis Bell came to fill the gap. He hit
a guy boom, not into the ground. Three plays later,
Sam Williams come through, boom knocks a guy to the ground.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
If they did that last year, they had to stop practice. Hey, man,
hold on, we are what we're doing. It ain't stopping, bro.
This thing is banging. Man is banging like you ran in.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Mollie Cooker thought this was tackle practice the other day
he was putting guys underground. Now I don't know if
this was a new thing or not, but I noticed
the guys rehabbing yesterday were in their jerseys and had
their helmets. Yeah uh, including Trayvon Diggs, who was not
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out there with street clothes, well not street clothes but whatever.
So he that was the first time I've seen him
with his jersey on, he had a helmet, and he
had his football cleats on, so maybe I was thinking
maybe he getting closer. After afterwards he walked off barefoot. Yes, yeah, absolutely,
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I was thinking, maybe he's getting closer. But then I
recognized that all the other guys had their jerseys on too.
So to me, from what I've been told, it's almost
not his knee either. Worried about They're worried about his conditioning.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
That is what hurt him last year and talking to
the trainers, they wanted him.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
To be in better shape before they released him back
to the field, but he just negotiated, kept talking to
the coaches, kept talking to management, and negotiated his way
back on that field, and they wanted to get him
in better shape and he wasn't and we see residuals
to that.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Now they're asking him the same thing, Let us get
you in shape so you can be the player that
we once saw. Now is he smart enough to protect
himself from himself or is he gonna be good? You know,
don't don't have that attitude.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Coach Shottenham is trying to teach these guys, trying to
get them to understand this is not only about you
now right, this is about being the best for you
can be within the team concept.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So some of that's going on with savonn Revel also
coming back from the a c L talking to him,
and from what I've been told is the repaired needs
coming along fine. What he's having problems with is when
they reconstruct your ACL, they take part of your PTEL
attendant from their good knee and they use that as
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the repair for the other knee and he he said
that he was starting to get some ache over there
like that. He's got to work on that.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
So, while this need is getting better, this one he
doesn't have confidence in. Uh And so that's what's holding
him up. Because he tore his a c L after
third game last year in the college season, so that
would have been the end of September, probably somewhere in September.
So he's almost, you know, eleven months out rehabbing. But
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I asked him, I said, when do you think you'll
be ready? Have they given you an idea? He goes,
I'll be ready when Britt tells me I'm ready, And
so he trusted he got there. And again remember they
didn't get him into their rehab program until May, right
was after the draft. Yes, so they haven't had him
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that long. And if we go back to Diggs, this
was the first week they worked with him on a
full time basis.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
You know, you know, and I know players hear what
we say and stuff like that, And like I tell
people like this right here, I can be critical of
a player, but I'm giving you from a X player,
a former player, perspective on what is expected as an
elite player. Diggs at one point was considered the elite player,
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and I'm not saying he's not one now, but you
haven't seen it lately.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
So to get back to that elite status, you take
them extra steps.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
You you have to have some type of relationship with
the training staff because they are the ones that that's
talking to mister Jones, talking to Will McClay saying, this
is where we think he's at, you know, and let's
go with what we think to protect this kid, to
get him in shape and uh and and now you
can be the best you can be. So same with
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Parsons coming back, Same with this young man you just
talked about Mick. Trusting these guys because their their job
is to protect you from the team and from yourself.
They they're gonna say no, he's not ready. They're gonna
they're gonna help you. They're not gonna turn on you
because their their their reputations there they're invested in.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah, their reputation is at stake.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
So trusting these guys and believe that they gonna get
you right if you allow them. Come out here with
enthusiasm to workout, to rehab and to get yourself back
on the field a place so you can show people
that you're worthy of what you're asking.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Give me one player, uh off off the radar player,
someone that maybe a non starter who has caught your eye.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
The Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I can start if you want.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
If you want, I got one. I already got one.
The Cowboys were working Blue yesterday Jaden Blue. Miles Sanders
did not practice and he got the second team, but
he was the first one up second team reps. And
I'm telling you, this kid has got something. There wasn't
big holes Nate, but he was like slithering through and
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because of his speed and acceleration when he hits that hole.
And I'm talking between the tackles. I'm not talking going outside.
I'm talking between the tackles. This guy looks like he
shot out of a canyon. And I'm telling you, they're
they're looking at this. They're looking at him and Cavante
(45:09):
Turpin on the field at the same time with the
two wide receivers. Somebody's gonna get covered with a linebacker
and it's no match. So, uh, they're throwing the ball
downfield to Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
You know like that, you know it's interesting. As I
posed this question, Brian Schottenheimer at the end of the
press conference yesterday, was asked basically the same question, a
list of players who are caught his eye?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
That and he so he ran down a list of.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Players who have had good camps. Whatever, I guarantee you like, Jimmy.
As he looked at his roster and was going down
the players, there are players that he skipped, right, not
publicly want to say that this guy's having a good
camp before strategic reasons when you come down to the
roster decisions at the end where you don't want another
team to pick up on a guy.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I got another one, but I'm gonna let Nate go.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Six. Tight end Tyler Nabel Neville.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Neville, this dude is blocking folks. If you if you're
looking for a blocker, this dude was jacking folks up. Linebackers,
outside linebackers, inside linebackers, defensive men's his kid blocks with
a vengeance.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
You know what, he's smart. He finished up.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
He finished up his collegiate career at Virginia. You know
where he started it? Where graduated from where?
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Harvard?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Wow, Well, I tell you what, he's smart enough to
knock folks out. You got that down. You got a
three point five average. We're knocking folks out.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Well if I if I remember this correctly, the the
guarantee they gave him on his rookie for age and
contract basically assures him off at least being on the
practice squad and with spain Ford out with the mc
all I think it was his knee. Uh, just giving
this kid some reps.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Now him and John Stevens go ahead and uh, the
guy the wide receiver, let us Uh, I know where
you're going. Go number seven. Yes, Trey Shawn Holden.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Oh my god, he's had two days of catches, their highlights.
He looks the part.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
I mean, he's got an NFL body and he's made
those catches that you're talking about. I want to watch
him closer. But he's gonna shine in these if he
if the passes are accurate.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
He's going to shine in these preseason games. He started
his career at Alabama and then transferred to Oregon. So
he was a top recruit coming out of high school
and he was with Junior Adams, the receivers coach at Oregon.
But that that guy, and I don't know what his
makeup is as far as his special teams being able
to cover kicks. That's going to be a key on
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whether he can make this final roster or not.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
But he looks the part and the because the Tobers,
they can't catch a pass between them, either one of them,
the Tolberds, the Tolberts, yeah, Jalen h the other one No.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
The Jalens whatever they are whatever, either can catch.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
All right, Okay, waterbacks and running back.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Well, all I know is Jalen Brooks and uh for
noy you're on notice because this holding guy has looks
like the big time notice man.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
Then there's three Jalens. Yeah, Jalen Brooks, Jalen Cropper.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
And every one of y'all I own notice because this
kid holding his coming and tight end Jason Ferguson every
day is taking all of y'all passes this and number nine.
So yes, your own notice, like Mickey has a hard
for this kid.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Uh, parses, I got it for. They are to your
game together. All right.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
That does it for mixed shots. We'll all shout at
you again on Tuesday, and Nate will be on a
variety of shows the rest of the way. In training,
cab Go Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
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the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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