September 16, 2025 • 46 mins
Taking a two-game look at just where the Cowboys are at 1-1, knowing they will be without center Cooper Beebe for up to two months, how well Dak is playing and has played in his career, thinking it’s just a short life without KaVontae Turpin and getting Everson in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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TV, doo it it up TV, and I forgot to
dress down. And I looked at the clock and I said, Okay.
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I got it. Gotta go, We gotta go, We gotta
go here. We got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Easter Sunday.
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He got on his Sunday best. That's what you, okay
for when the Cowboys went on Sunday, you wear a
suit the rest of the week. Okay, you want to
do that.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
I agree to that. I touched we did.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
I have to wear a suit when I was small
going to church on Sunday.
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I bet you did.
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I bet you did.
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Uh huh back in that day. Now you don't have to.
You can wear shorts to church.
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New shoes.
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Hm.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
It was on Easter Sunday. I had to wear them
all year long.
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Then I had to protect my knuckles because I talked
in church and the nuns get me with.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
The ruler, all right, So much to get to and uh,
we had a couple of games on Monday night. We
had your Davian Clowney holding court outside the Cowboys locker room.
Yesterday we've got injury situations arising because we're now into
week three of this season. Uh, so much to get to.
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Where would you like to start on your legal pad? There?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Mickey is not much on this legal pad because the
real ones back in.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Let's then start though with uh something on a Cooper
BB to start with, because there has been a clarification
on his injury rather than being a high ankle sprain
being called a lateral spring with a broken bone in
his foot. But the timeline appears to be the same.
I think six to eight weeks.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Yeah, and sometimes that's what a high ankle sprain ends
up being. It's a ligament and bone problem. So sixty
eight weeks.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
We have a commercial.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Exciting.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Uh yeah, and you hate to guy in his second year,
I'm going to miss almost half the season, uh with
the the foot ankle injury. So yeah, that hurts because
think about it. We were talking about when they started
the season that these five guys were going to play
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their first game together together ever. And now they played
two and now they got a pause.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Well, I must admit it was two good ones. They
showed me something.
Speaker 8 (03:19):
I talked to me as I was bragging on our
offensive line. Before I could get it out of my mouth,
then there goes, oh, what's upb BB the route back
Williams Javonte took it to the house. I was just
talking about how because you guys kept talking about how
good the Giants defense.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Was, and we talked front that front front.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Front seven is good, and that front seven.
Speaker 8 (03:46):
You see how well it made those DB's play at times.
Our misdirection was not working well at all at times
because of the pressure put on by the front seven
penetration and and that therefore the secondary was able to
play downhill as well. And some of our players didn't
go anywhere because they smelled it out just like that.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
So that's why I'm kind of proud of the way.
Speaker 8 (04:11):
Our offense played because that was not an easy task
by a very young and to me feel this offensive
line by the Cowboys.
Speaker 9 (04:22):
Yeah, well, how do you feel about brock Hoffman, you know,
stepping in in that role. I mean, I think brock
Kaffman when he had to come in before, I think
last season it was for Zach Martin.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And he made seven starts last year, right.
Speaker 9 (04:33):
And I think we felt okay, you know about him.
Now he goes from guard to center, so which is
which is a completely different dynamic for him. But like
you said, man, you started to see this offensive line
start the jail. It's unfortunate that BB is going to
be missed significant time. But man, if they can keep
the good feelings going with this running game that they have,
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I think, you know, they can hold it together until
it gets back.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I always thought brock Kaufman was a better center than
he was a guard.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
You said that, did I say it before? You've said
that before.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
And and I hold to it because I thought he
came in and now dak as the quarterback has to
do right, took responsibility for the bad snap or the fumbles,
say bad snap, if he said.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Exchange could have been that could have been disastered.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Really, but if you looked out how he played.
Speaker 8 (05:30):
Dak like waiting for everyone to pass by that, oh
there there.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Is made a couple of plays like that already this season.
On the fumble, he's got to fumbles. He's made great plays.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
That well, one was a recovery, one was a touchdown
saving Dackham. Right, but I thought he played well. I
thought he did a good job. And now think about it,
he'll actually have a week of practice, not just getting
the crumbs that are backup kids. Now here's the deal though,
So now you've got the backup playing, who's the backup to?
(06:02):
That was?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
It's exactly where I was going. I was going to
ask you for the offensive line coach Connor Riley when
he wakes up this morning, in the last couple of mornings,
what's the most what what is on his mind more
than anything right now? What happens if brock Hoffman.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Gets And I've got the answer for you. Okay, First
TJ Bass.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Who they gave him some snaps in the preseason.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Center, and then they picked up a.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Trevor Keagan waivers.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Trevor Keegan. Now they listened to him as an offensive
tackle when they made him inactive. But between those two guys,
the backup center, okay, and Trevor Keagan was with the
Eagles and so they picked him up.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
It was actually during Eagles week.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
So right, So those are the two guys.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
So that's a guy who's not on anyone's radar probably
unless you're paying close attention. But I would just I
just look him up, and I don't know that he
has any experience playing center either.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
So if you're playing paying close attention to any of
the games, you've got a lot of injuries. I mean,
you saw the game last night. Tampa had to they
had to wing it with a lot of guys.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Well, they're already missing their left tackle, Tristan Worfs as
one of the last guys, and then they lost their
right tackle. They've got Barton. There's Graham Barton, their center
who's moved out. He played left tackle at Duke and
one of the best centers in the league, and he's
been playing left tackle the first two games of the year.
Then they lose the right tackle, and yet they're still
able to put together an eighty yard drive to win
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the game over in Texans have a worse offensive line.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Situation well, and they nearly lost the quarterback Tampa. How
many times did he get up and you're thinking he's done.
Speaker 9 (07:49):
That's a gutsy performance by Baker loving Ham. At the
same time, I know that's not you, but.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
That's so funny. I kind of feel the same way
about him.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
As a fan, I'm not crazy about him, but as
as a former player. You got guts, man, Yeah, I mean,
he's got guts. I like watching him play, but you know,
sometimes you just hate how pesky he is, especially if
you're going against it.
Speaker 9 (08:13):
But in those final minutes, in those final minutes, I
was one of the I said it. I said, man,
he's about to win this game, you know, because of
how he is. If things, if the play breaks down,
he will scramble, he will run. He doesn't care about
his body, which is which you need to have that
little bit of you know, caution for yourself. If you're
the quarterback, you.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Also got to have a little bit of guts going.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
He's a little crazy, though.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
You know the key you know what was the key
for them on that eighty yard drive. They still had
their timeouts. It was game management, and so they were
actually they could have they were facing fourth and ten
at their own thirty yard line or whatever it was,
they could have since they had all three timeouts left.
It was with two minutes left. Basically they could have
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puntered if they wanted to, but instead they sent everybody
out and they were in man coverage. They didn't have
a spy. The Texans didn't. They rushed five and Baker
was able to get free and got fifteen yards in
a first down. Well though, they still got their timeouts,
and so now they don't have to throw for the sideline.
(09:16):
They can use the middle of the field. They can
run the ball if they want to.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Which they.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Exactly with old Bucky. Yep.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
So they did a great job of clock management.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I just don't like my quarterback running. And then he
grabs his leg before he gets up, and.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Then see J comes over and talks stratch to him,
and he forgot about his injury, and then he got
up and got right.
Speaker 9 (09:40):
Back right Well, speaking of mismanagement, I heard yesterday in
the interview with coach Bryan Shot and I were talking
about the end of the first half.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Mickey, if you were in there.
Speaker 9 (09:51):
Just yes, what was that when he's said he mismanaged
the time to get a field gold off?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
They they should They had a time out left right,
and they tried to get the snap off, and it's like,
just called time out right because I believe they had
one left, Am I right?
Speaker 6 (10:12):
We were anywhere close to fifty?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Didn't.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
But that was a good admission for him as a coach.
He admitted, He's like, look, that's on me. I mismanaged that.
And so many times, you know, the media will bake
a coach over something like that if obviously it ends
in a loss.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Okay, So they were at with fifteen seconds left. This
is the first half, Yes, fifteen seconds left. They are
third and ten at the fifty yard line, and it
was the Giants actually who c used their second time out.
I'm going to force the Cowboys. I think that's what
(10:46):
I got ready before the play. Before the play with
fifteen seconds left, completion to Ferguson for two, sir. They're
at the plus forty eight yard line, facing fourth and
eight at that point, and so if you're thinking about, okay,
are you in field goal range? You're at the plus
forty eight yard line, that's a sixty six.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yarder field goal. R I don't know about the rest ye, So.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
That's he referenced that in yesterday's press conference that Okay, yeah,
he could have decided not to. This team, not the
same coaching staff, has been in a situation like that
before at midfield at Washington about fifteen years ago, and
could have and they weren't in field goal range then,
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but they decided to run another play and they flip
it out to Tashard choice he fumbles on the sideline
of Washington takes it for things can go wrong at
the fifty yard line at the end of the first half.
We have seen that before, and so he just at
thirteen to ten, uh and getting the ball back to
start the second half, he decided not to risk it.
I think Moran.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I think he wanted to make sure he drained the
seconds off the clock. But yeah, they could have. You know,
they could have had one more play if you wanted to.
And remember that what year was that, you said, I.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Can't remember, Well, Shard was here, so it was around
twenty ten, twenty eleven, something like.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
That, probably twenty ten. Because I think everybody was blaming
Garrett for it. Because he was the offensive coordinator that
they he called one more play and then they fumbled
and returned for a touchdown.
Speaker 8 (12:26):
Well, I think up until this point I have seen
a lean and mean Dak Prescott. I've always liked a game,
but there's something a little more to him this year.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
It seems like.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Didn't start off well in the first couple of drives
or even the first half of the game, but he
seems to get more of a sense of urgency sooner
than later as he used to do in previous years.
They had. For some reason, no one talked about it.
There was a stat of he had four passes that
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were thirty percent probability as low as thirty percent probability
complete them to complete them, and he completed four of
those in the game.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Who makes that decision?
Speaker 6 (13:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
And it was such a such a weird st but
I saw it was a thing, But it was what's that?
Speaker 6 (13:25):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Football?
Speaker 6 (13:26):
You don't want to start with that?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
What's wrong?
Speaker 6 (13:28):
You got the pff there? Not in my.
Speaker 9 (13:39):
Ting them out?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
You were trying, like the two flapping doors.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
You were trying.
Speaker 8 (13:47):
But someone came up with that stat and they had
it on the NFL Network. And there was a compliment
obviously of the risk that he took and and of
course the it.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Came out it was worth it. With one of them
had to be the diving catch.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
Of course the other one and everyone's making a big
deal of that one, as we did yesterday. The third
down catch CD is uh, double team front and back.
He's man, just it's a hell of a throw, man,
a hell of a throw to you. Got somebody can
go up and get that. He wouldn't got it.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
What was the probability on the interception?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Well, you see, and that's where you got a little
carried away. You're like, okay, you're.
Speaker 8 (14:28):
Feeling yourself a little too much player, So just calm
down and and he did and and that I think
that was the thing he didn't let Also, that interception
didn't It didn't give him any shyness. He's he still
stayed as smartly aggressive.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
You just got to give him a lot of credit
in regards to having confidence.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
How about the touchdown threaded the needle?
Speaker 8 (14:52):
Did you don't really see that much on the on
on the goal line in the redsime from.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
US third and nine play at the ten yard.
Speaker 9 (15:02):
I've seen him make plays like that to Amari Cooper
when Amari Cooper was here threat the needle like that
in a few games. I am one of those people
I've been beat down by the Dak criticism over the
years that it's like it's almost hard to praise him
in situations because the national media and whatever will say
so many bad things about Dak. But when you see
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him time and time again come up clutch time and
time again, you know, put this team in a position
to win, regardless if it's the Giants. I mean, it's
just coming from the hamstring injury. I think people have
thought that there was going to be some regression in
his game. He's come out and just proved everybody. The
throws into CD lamb not only that big one that
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you're talking about, there were other ones that he threw
into double coverage as well. Now, Dak has never got
the gunslinger title on him.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
But you see a little bit of that.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
And when you talk about him throwing the throwing the
interception in that confidence, I think I think that's something
that you only get.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
By time played by that dB.
Speaker 8 (16:03):
That most DB's CD is going to turn that corner
and be ahead of him. As he was on the
third down, right that dB really made a nice turn.
He really made a nice turn. I haven't seen anyone
keep up with CD like that. That was DB's get
paid to. The guy just made a good play and
Dak was trying to throw it in.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I went back to look at that because I was thinking,
did CD allow him to cross his face?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And he didn't.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
It's the guy.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
The guy was the guy.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Cross across his face, which is the way he usually does.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Yeah, and and the touchdown passed the pickings that that's
an unbelievable throw.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
The guy dB never saw what was that?
Speaker 9 (16:43):
You know?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
And and and and and Dak talked about this at
one point in training camp. Uh, he tried an attempt
and it probably wasn't wise and it got picked off,
and they were going to take him out right, and
he goes, no, don't take me out. I gotta find
out if I can fit that in. And this is practice,
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it's not just practice. So I got to find out
if I can fit that ball in.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
And once again and he learned.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
It shows you when your guys are together all off season,
things are different. Helps When your guys are together all
off season, it's just different. And of course the addition
of someone like Pickings who you double. You can double
see the all you want, I'm gonna make you come
double me.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Well that's what happened on the touchdown to Turpin right
there on the outside. Probably safeties are doubling those guys,
and he just had to beat the guy he had
and the guy had no shot. Right, Turpin's gonna put
a move on him, and he's gonna.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Be turs got receiving skills too, Yes, you can make that.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Remember one more thing, what do you think about our
choice of targets and clutch situations.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I don't like it. You didn't like it.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Let's let's talk about it when we come back. Okay,
So targets and clutch situs remember this targets and I
want to continue the discussion on DAK too, and the
national narrative on Daku and how how well we know
how it would change. But that's down the road. But
let's talk about that when we come back here on
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Speaker 4 (20:43):
Okay, we are bound and determined to stay on task
here in this segment, Okay, we tease targets and Dak,
let's start with targets. Ever since you're the one who
brought it up, so what's your what's your question on targets.
Speaker 8 (20:58):
We had a few clutch situations that we had to
perform on, we had to be successful on. And everyone's thinking, Okay,
it's gonna go to Ferguson because CD and Pickings will
probably be you know, double team. And so you look
up and he's thrown not just once or twice, maybe
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four times to Jalen Tobert in the clutch.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
I mean, this is do a die. I mean it
was so many moments of do it die.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
This was just four of them, and it looked like
it was about fifty percent. One of those throws was
one of the under thirty percent probability throws. Jalen made
a great catch, but that was after the one before
that where he wasn't open at all and didn't even
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make a good effort for the ball.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
So it's the same thing about this guy.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
As a matter of fact, before he caught the one
that was beautiful, I'm cursing him out in my house
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I'm like, why are they throwing to this guy?
Speaker 8 (22:06):
I told him on this podcast that you know, this
is not my guy, you know, And sure enough he
comes up with an amazing catch that we surely needed. Uh,
but it still stayed inconsistent, and I knew that we
were guys in this room were thinking, damn, we're going
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to this guy that many times when we really need
this game. What does that say about Dak's confidence in
this guy or what was it saying about He just
went with the read.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Yeah, he went with he went with where it.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Took it, and that should have been turping.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
That should have been turping exactly exactly, which.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
We you know, I don't mean to get away from
the targets, but no, this is part of it. Turping
changes the complexion of the game when he's in there
and not just as a receiver. Did you like Jalen
Tolbert returning kickoffs?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
No?
Speaker 4 (23:04):
No, no, no, And I don't think Jalen Tobart.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Can you kick it to the other guy right? Well?
Number one, from a confidence standpoint, I'm thinking, oh, just
catch it, right because if it's turping, it's like, go
catch it and.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Make a spend and it's gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
When Tolbert did it, it was like, oh, please catch
it and get to the twenty.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
It changes the whole complexion of kickoff returns, and it
changes how they're kicking right because before, like last year,
they're just saying, no, we're not dealing with him. It's
a touchback. You can have the ball at the thirty right. Well, now,
when you get it at the thirty five, if you
a chance to return it and you got the combination
(23:54):
of Aubrey kicking sixty yard field goals, all you've got
to do is pick up fifteen twenty yards and.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Down your kicking appeal.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
So now Turpen's getting the kickoff he had. I don't
have my notebook, I left it at home. I think
he had one hundred and five yards in kick off returns.
Now there was a lot of kickoffs what you don't want.
But again, he's a threat every time he's got the
ball and they're saying, no, you're not getting the ball
at the thirty five. I'm kicking it to the five
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yard line and we got to go cover him.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
And when he's a wide receiver, then you're talking about
yak right, you know, you throw it to him, you look,
you're looking for yak when you throw it to Toba.
What you use, what you see is what you get.
He's going to catch it and most likely he's going
to go down. You don't get much yack out of Toba.
It'd be great if I could see that, if I
saw him catch a ball and is able to shake
a tackle and go to the hot that's something I'm
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looking forward.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Then to give you that confidence.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
That would give me the comfort. Right now, I just
see him. He's like me making an inception. I got
fifty seven interceptions in one touchdown, right, So you go,
hey man, I'm calling you got you got? But you
got He's got like fifty something and he's got like
ten twelve whatever touched up. So there's a difference.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
It's jet packing a little different difference. So ore there.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
Jet packs a little different when it comes to comparing
those two. And I just wanted to see even more
from him. But having said that, he made me eat
my words when he made that.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Let me can go ahead, and I'm gonna and while
you're doing that, I'm gonna look up ever since interception
return yardage, you compare it to d.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
So you don't do that.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You know, that's cold blooded.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
I fought, I'm go ahead if you if you haven't.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Seen The Gambler and his Cowboys, you gotta go watch that.
But the one with a playmaker, the one with Mike
and is I think you you go into the head
of these wide receivers, these wide receiver ones where if
the game's on the line, give me the ball.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
You know.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
He talks about the time where he switched out, you know,
to to and it ended up going the other way
to Alvin Harper, and it's like, this is one of
those things. He wants the ball. And so you look
at the quarterbacks over the league. Man, it don't matter,
Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and Taylor. He's gonna make other
guys here, the Clark and those guys are gonna get involved.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
But he has his main guys.
Speaker 9 (26:18):
To me, when I look at and this is a
conversation that I had with Nate Newton about clutch time
performs big game Hunters as he calls them, He's like,
look when it is all down, the chips are down,
and it's nut cutting time.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
We got Mike's getting the ball. Jay Novacheck is getting
the ball. We already know.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
The pecking order of the guys that are getting the ball.
This just shows the kind of leader though that Dak is.
It's like, hey, you run that route, you're open. I'm
going to get you the ball. But when it gets
down to clutch time, and it was the nineties Cowboys,
it's Mike, It's Mike and then j nova check.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
So let's get to you, you know, get to your playmakers.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
And you have two really good playmakers out there. Forced
feed those guys in moments like that, because that's.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Why he's paying it on that third down.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
But that's why you pay them guys that money and
they live for moments like that. Not that Jalen Tobert.
Look he had this opportunity, but span Ford schoonmaker. No, man,
that's not taking anything away from But it's not their role.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
It's not their role.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Well, Schottenheimers said it repeatedly. Sometimes when you call a play,
you're not calling the play. You're calling the play to
the player, like, Okay, I got to get the ball
to this guy in this situation. That's why I'm calling
this play.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
And then the quarterback knows that right, yes, right, so yeah,
I just thought it was I'm kind of odd that
Tober was getting so many opportunities.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
It didn't hurt us.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
Uh, it was about fifty to fifty because you know,
making that catch, that that made up for a lot
of what I you know, previously thought about.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Here comes Okay, this is this is this is going
to be good because.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
You know, you go.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
By the way.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
We'll probably carry over the dark conversation now to the
next segment.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
All right, this is.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Good because this makes the Hall of Fame case.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Walls, right, Dion.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Sanders, We consider him right up there, the greatest cornerback
of all time. Right up there, he's in the if
it's a it's a very short time. Okay, it doesn't
take long to call roll there, all right. Dion in
his career played one hundred eighty eight games. Everson Walls
played one hundred eighty six games. Okay, Dion had fifty
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three interceptions in his career. Everson had fifty seven golden exception.
Right there's there, it is gold jacket right there. Wait
a minute, right away.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Now, another next show right away.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
This is where we'll go ahead and give Dion the
greatest cornerback of all time. But that doesn't mean Everson
done belong in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
Okay, I still wouldn't give grades of all time, but
go ahead, or he's not in the conversation.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
He's in the conversation. Okay, Everson, are you in the
conversation greatest cornerback of all time?
Speaker 6 (29:18):
That should be?
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I like it now, But you're
not the greatest interception returner of all times?
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Right you already?
Speaker 9 (29:29):
He said, I intercept it, but I'm down where I
did it?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Ever?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I mean, Everson on fifty seven interceptions had five hundred
and four return yards. So you sold yourself short there.
You said you didn't get any return yards, said no
touchdowns or you had one touchdown?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
How long was the touchdown? Hello?
Speaker 8 (29:50):
So that's seventeen It was right there, boy.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
One interception I had in my life playing nine year
old Irving YMCA football. It was the seventeen yard return touchdown.
I had one intercepted Bill Banowski and took it to
the house.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
All right, What.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
He's a grown man, that man of Bill. That was
the end of it.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Well, he lived on the street over from so it
was a big rivalry he was older than me. Eight
point eight yards of return. Okay, congratulations, they got a
great career. Thank you, Dion on fifty three interception. Okay,
ever said I had five hundred and four return yards.
Dion had one thousand, three hundred and thirty one return yards.
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That's twenty five point one yards per return and nine
touchdowns nine big.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
I just always remember that. Just taking it to the.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
House twenty five yards returns pretty nine. So he had
nine touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
And that's we're not talking plump returns. Well, we're just talking.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
So when you ran seventeen yards, you didn't reverse field
and go there.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
No. No, I was like, oh hello, hurry up, hurry
up there.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
I'm adding one more.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
I got tired and anxious because everyone was close to him.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And by the way, you still got Dion on picks
when it comes to the playoffs too. Okay, you if
you add the postseason and regular season together, you had
four picks in the postseason for sixty one in your career.
Dion had five or fifty eight.
Speaker 9 (31:33):
So you have bad man. A bad man. That's a
bad man right there. I tell everybody they couldn't even
be around me.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Seventeen yards and you play the music.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
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Speaker 4 (31:49):
All right, let's talk dack when we come back here
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Speaker 4 (34:28):
Okay, let's talk Dak here, and what got me thinking
about it on the drive in And it was great
that y'all have brought it up yourselves and talking about
Dak and how well he's starting the season, how good
he looks right now. He's in the same form he
was two years ago, and now he's got even more
weapons to throw to, and so you can see what
the promise is offensively for this team. What made me
(34:50):
think about it was I was listening to Bob Poppa,
the voice of the Giants on the radio driving in,
and he was talking about Justin Herbert last night, and
you know, the Chargers won twenty to nine. Herban played
a solid game and he's and they were talking about
how Herbert's progress and how much better he looks now
whatever and pop.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Up every year.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
But Bob Papa said, I can't get out of my
head what he does in the playoffs, and so I
understand he's doing. He looks great and everything, but I
can't get past how he's performed in the playoffs. And
I think obviously that's the thing on the national narrative
as far as Dak is concerned. It's not winning in
the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
Dak knows, as we all know this whatever, he had
maybe two good games in the playoffs, But then they don't.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
People don't even remember the good games that he had
because the Cowboys haven't had playoffs success.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
I mean, the Green Bay game where Aaron Rodgers beat us.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
They don't even mention the Tampa Baca Bay game.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
Well, they said about it because nobody wanted him to
beat Tom Brady that badly. I mean, I mean they
really you can actually tell that that was like a
little salt in the game because everybody's like, you know, well, man,
you see how he did Brady?
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Yeah, well, but after you know, as always.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
And along those same lines, they're also talking about Baker Mayfield.
And I can't remember who's on the show with him,
and they were talking about they said, you know, Baker Mayfield,
he's up there, top five quarterbacks in the league. Now,
I mean they're riding the baker.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Ready to give it to him, exactly right.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
And I'm like, Dak finished second in the MVP voting
two years ago, and nobody puts Dak in the top
never mind the top five, top ten. They don't put
him up there.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
You know, it's rarely mean.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
So I wish I had this. I did a kind
of a study. I picked out the quarterbacks in playoffs.
Big names, right, what was your record in a playoff
game where you had to score thirty or more points
to win? Almost everybody but Brady had a losing record.
(36:51):
Dak put up thirty two against Green Bay Cowboys give
up forty eight. He put up as a rookie, what
was it, thirty thirty one and then they kill.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Behind and had one of his best It was like
an eight tied the game up. It was like it
was like an eight min NFC Champions San Francisco. They
fell behind by so much and.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
They give up thirty three points and he gets beat.
So and Peyton Manning was one of them. I looked
up and his record when.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
He had to a wild yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
He had to score thirty some points, you know, when
he had to do that, they.
Speaker 9 (37:26):
Got beat nobody's gonna The thing is, nobody's gonna cry
for Dak. He's highest paid quarterback in Nobody feels anything
when it comes to him or his accomplishments. And that's
why those people are so eager to push other people
in front of him without mentioning his accomplishments. And I
think DK just has to have that killer gene. This
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is this is you got to you gotta do it.
And that's the only way you get these guys off
your back, that's the only way you get the recognition
is you go and you win it all. You go
out here in those clutch moments and you serve these
two piece when they least expected. I mean, no one
even came into this season given the Cowboys a chance,
let alone a chance against the you know, Philadelphia Eagles,
(38:09):
and he goes out there and he performs. You see
him in his second game versus the Giants lead twenty
five seconds, so whatever twenty seven seconds, whatever it is
to pull the game to overtime, that's clutch. Nobody ever
mentions that. You know, they'll talk about Aubrey, which was
crazy what he did. But in order to put you
in that position, Dak has to be lights out.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
He's done it time and time again.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
You look at his stats, where he is, who he's
passing in the organization. Again, they're so good at disrespecting him,
and the only way that he earns that respect is
going out and win it all.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
That's it's on him.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Well, colirative is always about the team, the way the
team is run. A lot of times, whether it's a
one win or loss, it's like, you know, they concentrate
on the entire team instead of saying, Okay, this is
our leader. This is the Cowboys leader right here. They
just won't give him that. I was going to ask
(39:04):
you because a few years ago, a couple of years ago,
you had some stats about how many comeback wins he's had.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
A game winning drive.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
That was twenty four that he's had. He's tied with
Romo for the most. But here's what it's about. It's
not about Dak. It's what you got.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
On your chest.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
That's what I'm saying. The organization is.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Said, Cowboys, that's what happens. What do you think that
used to happen and still happens in the Pro Football
Hall of Fame Cowboys. Yeah, guys that aren't in that
should be in Cowboys. It's not what they did, it's
who they did it with.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
That's right, because there was a.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
There used to be in the eighties and nineties, this
bias against the Cowboys and too many guys that were voting.
Just on the East Coast.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Most reporters wouldn't say this Bass. You might, you might
get out watch, but I'm right. Yeah, I believe it.
I've always said it.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Us from Minneapolis, he was outspoken. I'll never vote for
a cowboy in Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8 (40:08):
And you see teams like the Eagles able to get
players in when I was the one time I was up,
Brian Dawkins made it. And then as you look at
the cornerback that made it last.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
Year, Eric Allen. Yeah, Eric Allen. I like Eric Allen
first of all. That's my thing. Everyone to me, whoever
doesn't get in.
Speaker 8 (40:30):
They I remember I walked on the bus. They said, man,
I thought you made it, man, you deserve to make it.
I said, man, we all deserve to make it. Yeah,
because I'm looking at Tory Holt sitting there saying I
deserve to make it. Tory Holt, you understand, man, you
deserve to make it too, but he didn't make it
that year.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
You got to be on the if you're looking at
the map, got to be on the right side of
the Mississippi because they run it.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Now.
Speaker 9 (40:53):
That's that's. Look, I don't have a vote. I don't know.
This is just all I'm saying is that that's if
I had one, I put them. You know that's hey,
if you know, if I had epson, if I had one,
Darren would be over for dinner. Yeah, you better believe it.
It's just it's unfortunate to see guys work their whole
careers to get to this point and for some personal
(41:14):
vendetta to be Oh, I was never a cowboy fan
growing whatever it is, you know that to me, that's
that's that's And I think.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
What you're dealing with now is youth.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (41:23):
You know, guys like you, sailf you're a little older,
you know the history of a lot of things. I
think the younger, the younger generation of reporters nothing on
them because they got a lot of players that they've
seen play that were hell of the players. But they're
not trying to go back freaking nineteen eighty one and
trying to go.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Back and the status are different now than it's a
different game now.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
And they don't even want to tackle that. Yeah, they
don't even want to tackle that part of the subject.
Speaker 5 (41:47):
The history, which, by the way, Javonte Williams, remember I
told you the story about three. I went back and
looked he's the first player wearing thirty three to score
a touchdown since Dorset. Interesting and they only had one
other running back though that.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
War thirty three since Dorset.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Yeah it was Timmy Smith.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Oh wow, I didn't realize Timmy woard thirty.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Three in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah. Remember who wore thirty three before?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
He who won? It was there when he when he
signed with Texas Tech and Hobbs, New Mexico. Jerry Moore
was a coach at Texas Tech. I went on a
private plane with him to sign Timmy Smith. He was there,
a hot shot recruit who wore thirty three running back
War thirty three before Tony Dorset with the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (42:40):
Come on, man, come on, man, come week, come on,
we just go back.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
To the seventh time.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
I'm leaving both.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Oh, it was it was a silent.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
You know what that was.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
It was the guy that didn't want.
Speaker 6 (42:58):
To talk.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Killed all sexis state.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
He wouldn't talk, see, and they traded him and got
him back.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
Uh huh, yeah, we need his name, Mickey out, come on,
Dwayne Wayne Thomas.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
You should have just said Thomas. He would have missed it.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
The guy would have said Bill Thomas, the guy that
wouldn't talk. And then he came to training camp one
year because they wanted to do interviews with him, and
he wouldn't leave.
Speaker 6 (43:32):
He has something to say.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
He was he was on John's couch because they didn't
have a place for him because they were doing a documentary.
And he came and he talked and talked and talked,
and finally three days later it was like, excuse us,
but uh, you know, we didn't plan on putting you
up for the whole week.
Speaker 8 (43:51):
I was there at the Doug Williams of the Doug
Williams Super Bowl. I was there because I was there
because I had gotten a settlement from uh, the NFL,
because they were using my likeness without my permission.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Oh it was I'm sorry, Kodak. It was Kodak because
they're using the catch.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
Yes, I ended up getting a nice settlement. Part of
that settlement was going to the game, and so I
was gonna take my wife with me, but she was
pregnant with my son. So I took my best friend Man.
We had a ball and then to sit there and
watch Doug do what he did. Of course, my teammate man.
That was one of the best moments I've ever had
besides playing in sports.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Timmy Smith had two hundred and four yards rushing in
that Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
And Doug had four touchdown passes.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Doug was the MVP.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
As a black quarterback.
Speaker 6 (44:42):
Yeah, they asked him how long he had been a
black quarter.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (44:47):
That was one of the questions in my career.
Speaker 6 (44:50):
It was an Asian kid. He was from from over
in Japan.
Speaker 8 (44:53):
He's like, no, no, no, They said it was an
Asian girl.
Speaker 6 (44:56):
It wasn't.
Speaker 5 (44:57):
I worked with that guy.
Speaker 6 (44:58):
So who wasn't who asked the question?
Speaker 5 (45:00):
His name was Butcher John.
Speaker 6 (45:02):
Why would he ask that question?
Speaker 5 (45:03):
He didn't ask it the way it got pointed out,
it's he he prefaced it by saying, as long as
you've been a black quarterback? But it got turned around right,
and so it was well, how long have you been
black quarterback?
Speaker 8 (45:19):
Well, that took it obviously the wrong way. Because he's like,
what are you asking that? What's going on here?
Speaker 5 (45:25):
But he's responsible for me being in Dallas because I
was working with him in Jackson and we're both covering
Old miss for there was two papers and I was like,
I can't ride with this guy anymore?
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Does Oxnard Oxford?
Speaker 5 (45:37):
And I said, I got to find a new job.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
So you went from Oxford to dog Snard. That's right,
all right?
Speaker 5 (45:45):
We got our extra two minutes.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
We did, we did, Okay, we turn our attention. Who's
the opponent this week? We didn't mention the Bear Bear.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
I mean we can talk about them now.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Over to the Chicago Bears on the next edition of
Mick Shots at HIG noon tomorrow, Go Cowboys.
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TV, doo it it up TV, and I forgot to
dress down. And I looked at the clock and I said, Okay.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I got it. Gotta go, We gotta go, We gotta
go here. We got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Easter Sunday.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
He got on his Sunday best. That's what you, okay
for when the Cowboys went on Sunday, you wear a
suit the rest of the week. Okay, you want to
do that.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
I agree to that. I touched we did.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
I have to wear a suit when I was small
going to church on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
I bet you did.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
I bet you did.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Uh huh back in that day. Now you don't have to.
You can wear shorts to church.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
New shoes.
Speaker 7 (01:29):
Hm.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
It was on Easter Sunday. I had to wear them
all year long.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Then I had to protect my knuckles because I talked
in church and the nuns get me with.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
The ruler, all right, So much to get to and uh,
we had a couple of games on Monday night. We
had your Davian Clowney holding court outside the Cowboys locker room.
Yesterday we've got injury situations arising because we're now into
week three of this season. Uh, so much to get to.
(01:59):
Where would you like to start on your legal pad? There?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Mickey is not much on this legal pad because the
real ones back in.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Let's then start though with uh something on a Cooper
BB to start with, because there has been a clarification
on his injury rather than being a high ankle sprain
being called a lateral spring with a broken bone in
his foot. But the timeline appears to be the same.
I think six to eight weeks.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Yeah, and sometimes that's what a high ankle sprain ends
up being. It's a ligament and bone problem. So sixty
eight weeks.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
We have a commercial.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Exciting.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Uh yeah, and you hate to guy in his second year,
I'm going to miss almost half the season, uh with
the the foot ankle injury. So yeah, that hurts because
think about it. We were talking about when they started
the season that these five guys were going to play
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their first game together together ever. And now they played
two and now they got a pause.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Well, I must admit it was two good ones. They
showed me something.
Speaker 8 (03:19):
I talked to me as I was bragging on our
offensive line. Before I could get it out of my mouth,
then there goes, oh, what's upb BB the route back
Williams Javonte took it to the house. I was just
talking about how because you guys kept talking about how
good the Giants defense.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Was, and we talked front that front front.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Front seven is good, and that front seven.
Speaker 8 (03:46):
You see how well it made those DB's play at times.
Our misdirection was not working well at all at times
because of the pressure put on by the front seven
penetration and and that therefore the secondary was able to
play downhill as well. And some of our players didn't
go anywhere because they smelled it out just like that.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
So that's why I'm kind of proud of the way.
Speaker 8 (04:11):
Our offense played because that was not an easy task
by a very young and to me feel this offensive
line by the Cowboys.
Speaker 9 (04:22):
Yeah, well, how do you feel about brock Hoffman, you know,
stepping in in that role. I mean, I think brock
Kaffman when he had to come in before, I think
last season it was for Zach Martin.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And he made seven starts last year, right.
Speaker 9 (04:33):
And I think we felt okay, you know about him.
Now he goes from guard to center, so which is
which is a completely different dynamic for him. But like
you said, man, you started to see this offensive line
start the jail. It's unfortunate that BB is going to
be missed significant time. But man, if they can keep
the good feelings going with this running game that they have,
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I think, you know, they can hold it together until
it gets back.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I always thought brock Kaufman was a better center than
he was a guard.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
You said that, did I say it before? You've said
that before.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
And and I hold to it because I thought he
came in and now dak as the quarterback has to
do right, took responsibility for the bad snap or the fumbles,
say bad snap, if he said.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Exchange could have been that could have been disastered.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Really, but if you looked out how he played.
Speaker 8 (05:30):
Dak like waiting for everyone to pass by that, oh
there there.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Is made a couple of plays like that already this season.
On the fumble, he's got to fumbles. He's made great plays.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
That well, one was a recovery, one was a touchdown
saving Dackham. Right, but I thought he played well. I
thought he did a good job. And now think about it,
he'll actually have a week of practice, not just getting
the crumbs that are backup kids. Now here's the deal though,
So now you've got the backup playing, who's the backup to?
(06:02):
That was?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
It's exactly where I was going. I was going to
ask you for the offensive line coach Connor Riley when
he wakes up this morning, in the last couple of mornings,
what's the most what what is on his mind more
than anything right now? What happens if brock Hoffman.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Gets And I've got the answer for you. Okay, First
TJ Bass.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Who they gave him some snaps in the preseason.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Center, and then they picked up a.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Trevor Keagan waivers.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Trevor Keegan. Now they listened to him as an offensive
tackle when they made him inactive. But between those two guys,
the backup center, okay, and Trevor Keagan was with the
Eagles and so they picked him up.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
It was actually during Eagles week.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
So right, So those are the two guys.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
So that's a guy who's not on anyone's radar probably
unless you're paying close attention. But I would just I
just look him up, and I don't know that he
has any experience playing center either.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
So if you're playing paying close attention to any of
the games, you've got a lot of injuries. I mean,
you saw the game last night. Tampa had to they
had to wing it with a lot of guys.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Well, they're already missing their left tackle, Tristan Worfs as
one of the last guys, and then they lost their
right tackle. They've got Barton. There's Graham Barton, their center
who's moved out. He played left tackle at Duke and
one of the best centers in the league, and he's
been playing left tackle the first two games of the year.
Then they lose the right tackle, and yet they're still
able to put together an eighty yard drive to win
(07:36):
the game over in Texans have a worse offensive line.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Situation well, and they nearly lost the quarterback Tampa. How
many times did he get up and you're thinking he's done.
Speaker 9 (07:49):
That's a gutsy performance by Baker loving Ham. At the
same time, I know that's not you, but.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
That's so funny. I kind of feel the same way
about him.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
As a fan, I'm not crazy about him, but as
as a former player. You got guts, man, Yeah, I mean,
he's got guts. I like watching him play, but you know,
sometimes you just hate how pesky he is, especially if
you're going against it.
Speaker 9 (08:13):
But in those final minutes, in those final minutes, I
was one of the I said it. I said, man,
he's about to win this game, you know, because of
how he is. If things, if the play breaks down,
he will scramble, he will run. He doesn't care about
his body, which is which you need to have that
little bit of you know, caution for yourself. If you're
the quarterback, you.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Also got to have a little bit of guts going.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
He's a little crazy, though.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
You know the key you know what was the key
for them on that eighty yard drive. They still had
their timeouts. It was game management, and so they were
actually they could have they were facing fourth and ten
at their own thirty yard line or whatever it was,
they could have since they had all three timeouts left.
It was with two minutes left. Basically they could have
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puntered if they wanted to, but instead they sent everybody
out and they were in man coverage. They didn't have
a spy. The Texans didn't. They rushed five and Baker
was able to get free and got fifteen yards in
a first down. Well though, they still got their timeouts,
and so now they don't have to throw for the sideline.
(09:16):
They can use the middle of the field. They can
run the ball if they want to.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Which they.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Exactly with old Bucky. Yep.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
So they did a great job of clock management.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I just don't like my quarterback running. And then he
grabs his leg before he gets up, and.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Then see J comes over and talks stratch to him,
and he forgot about his injury, and then he got
up and got right.
Speaker 9 (09:40):
Back right Well, speaking of mismanagement, I heard yesterday in
the interview with coach Bryan Shot and I were talking
about the end of the first half.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Mickey, if you were in there.
Speaker 9 (09:51):
Just yes, what was that when he's said he mismanaged
the time to get a field gold off?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
They they should They had a time out left right,
and they tried to get the snap off, and it's like,
just called time out right because I believe they had
one left, Am I right?
Speaker 6 (10:12):
We were anywhere close to fifty?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Didn't.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
But that was a good admission for him as a coach.
He admitted, He's like, look, that's on me. I mismanaged that.
And so many times, you know, the media will bake
a coach over something like that if obviously it ends
in a loss.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Okay, So they were at with fifteen seconds left. This
is the first half, Yes, fifteen seconds left. They are
third and ten at the fifty yard line, and it
was the Giants actually who c used their second time out.
I'm going to force the Cowboys. I think that's what
(10:46):
I got ready before the play. Before the play with
fifteen seconds left, completion to Ferguson for two, sir. They're
at the plus forty eight yard line, facing fourth and
eight at that point, and so if you're thinking about, okay,
are you in field goal range? You're at the plus
forty eight yard line, that's a sixty six.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yarder field goal. R I don't know about the rest ye, So.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
That's he referenced that in yesterday's press conference that Okay, yeah,
he could have decided not to. This team, not the
same coaching staff, has been in a situation like that
before at midfield at Washington about fifteen years ago, and
could have and they weren't in field goal range then,
(11:33):
but they decided to run another play and they flip
it out to Tashard choice he fumbles on the sideline
of Washington takes it for things can go wrong at
the fifty yard line at the end of the first half.
We have seen that before, and so he just at
thirteen to ten, uh and getting the ball back to
start the second half, he decided not to risk it.
I think Moran.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I think he wanted to make sure he drained the
seconds off the clock. But yeah, they could have. You know,
they could have had one more play if you wanted to.
And remember that what year was that, you said, I.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Can't remember, Well, Shard was here, so it was around
twenty ten, twenty eleven, something like.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
That, probably twenty ten. Because I think everybody was blaming
Garrett for it. Because he was the offensive coordinator that
they he called one more play and then they fumbled
and returned for a touchdown.
Speaker 8 (12:26):
Well, I think up until this point I have seen
a lean and mean Dak Prescott. I've always liked a game,
but there's something a little more to him this year.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
It seems like.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Didn't start off well in the first couple of drives
or even the first half of the game, but he
seems to get more of a sense of urgency sooner
than later as he used to do in previous years.
They had. For some reason, no one talked about it.
There was a stat of he had four passes that
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were thirty percent probability as low as thirty percent probability
complete them to complete them, and he completed four of
those in the game.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Who makes that decision?
Speaker 6 (13:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
And it was such a such a weird st but
I saw it was a thing, But it was what's that?
Speaker 6 (13:25):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Football?
Speaker 6 (13:26):
You don't want to start with that?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
What's wrong?
Speaker 6 (13:28):
You got the pff there? Not in my.
Speaker 9 (13:39):
Ting them out?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
You were trying, like the two flapping doors.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
You were trying.
Speaker 8 (13:47):
But someone came up with that stat and they had
it on the NFL Network. And there was a compliment
obviously of the risk that he took and and of
course the it.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Came out it was worth it. With one of them
had to be the diving catch.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
Of course the other one and everyone's making a big
deal of that one, as we did yesterday. The third
down catch CD is uh, double team front and back.
He's man, just it's a hell of a throw, man,
a hell of a throw to you. Got somebody can
go up and get that. He wouldn't got it.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
What was the probability on the interception?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Well, you see, and that's where you got a little
carried away. You're like, okay, you're.
Speaker 8 (14:28):
Feeling yourself a little too much player, So just calm
down and and he did and and that I think
that was the thing he didn't let Also, that interception
didn't It didn't give him any shyness. He's he still
stayed as smartly aggressive.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
You just got to give him a lot of credit
in regards to having confidence.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
How about the touchdown threaded the needle?
Speaker 8 (14:52):
Did you don't really see that much on the on
on the goal line in the redsime from.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
US third and nine play at the ten yard.
Speaker 9 (15:02):
I've seen him make plays like that to Amari Cooper
when Amari Cooper was here threat the needle like that
in a few games. I am one of those people
I've been beat down by the Dak criticism over the
years that it's like it's almost hard to praise him
in situations because the national media and whatever will say
so many bad things about Dak. But when you see
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him time and time again come up clutch time and
time again, you know, put this team in a position
to win, regardless if it's the Giants. I mean, it's
just coming from the hamstring injury. I think people have
thought that there was going to be some regression in
his game. He's come out and just proved everybody. The
throws into CD lamb not only that big one that
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you're talking about, there were other ones that he threw
into double coverage as well. Now, Dak has never got
the gunslinger title on him.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
But you see a little bit of that.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
And when you talk about him throwing the throwing the
interception in that confidence, I think I think that's something
that you only get.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
By time played by that dB.
Speaker 8 (16:03):
That most DB's CD is going to turn that corner
and be ahead of him. As he was on the
third down, right that dB really made a nice turn.
He really made a nice turn. I haven't seen anyone
keep up with CD like that. That was DB's get
paid to. The guy just made a good play and
Dak was trying to throw it in.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I went back to look at that because I was thinking,
did CD allow him to cross his face?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And he didn't.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
It's the guy.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
The guy was the guy.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Cross across his face, which is the way he usually does.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Yeah, and and the touchdown passed the pickings that that's
an unbelievable throw.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
The guy dB never saw what was that?
Speaker 9 (16:43):
You know?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
And and and and and Dak talked about this at
one point in training camp. Uh, he tried an attempt
and it probably wasn't wise and it got picked off,
and they were going to take him out right, and
he goes, no, don't take me out. I gotta find
out if I can fit that in. And this is practice,
(17:05):
it's not just practice. So I got to find out
if I can fit that ball in.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
And once again and he learned.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
It shows you when your guys are together all off season,
things are different. Helps When your guys are together all
off season, it's just different. And of course the addition
of someone like Pickings who you double. You can double
see the all you want, I'm gonna make you come
double me.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Well that's what happened on the touchdown to Turpin right
there on the outside. Probably safeties are doubling those guys,
and he just had to beat the guy he had
and the guy had no shot. Right, Turpin's gonna put
a move on him, and he's gonna.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Be turs got receiving skills too, Yes, you can make that.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Remember one more thing, what do you think about our
choice of targets and clutch situations.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I don't like it. You didn't like it.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Let's let's talk about it when we come back. Okay,
So targets and clutch situs remember this targets and I
want to continue the discussion on DAK too, and the
national narrative on Daku and how how well we know
how it would change. But that's down the road. But
let's talk about that when we come back here on
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Speaker 4 (20:43):
Okay, we are bound and determined to stay on task
here in this segment, Okay, we tease targets and Dak,
let's start with targets. Ever since you're the one who
brought it up, so what's your what's your question on targets.
Speaker 8 (20:58):
We had a few clutch situations that we had to
perform on, we had to be successful on. And everyone's thinking, Okay,
it's gonna go to Ferguson because CD and Pickings will
probably be you know, double team. And so you look
up and he's thrown not just once or twice, maybe
(21:19):
four times to Jalen Tobert in the clutch.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
I mean, this is do a die. I mean it
was so many moments of do it die.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
This was just four of them, and it looked like
it was about fifty percent. One of those throws was
one of the under thirty percent probability throws. Jalen made
a great catch, but that was after the one before
that where he wasn't open at all and didn't even
(21:50):
make a good effort for the ball.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
So it's the same thing about this guy.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
As a matter of fact, before he caught the one
that was beautiful, I'm cursing him out in my house
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I'm like, why are they throwing to this guy?
Speaker 8 (22:06):
I told him on this podcast that you know, this
is not my guy, you know, And sure enough he
comes up with an amazing catch that we surely needed. Uh,
but it still stayed inconsistent, and I knew that we
were guys in this room were thinking, damn, we're going
(22:26):
to this guy that many times when we really need
this game. What does that say about Dak's confidence in
this guy or what was it saying about He just
went with the read.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Yeah, he went with he went with where it.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Took it, and that should have been turping.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
That should have been turping exactly exactly, which.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
We you know, I don't mean to get away from
the targets, but no, this is part of it. Turping
changes the complexion of the game when he's in there
and not just as a receiver. Did you like Jalen
Tolbert returning kickoffs?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
No?
Speaker 4 (23:04):
No, no, no, And I don't think Jalen Tobart.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Can you kick it to the other guy right? Well?
Number one, from a confidence standpoint, I'm thinking, oh, just
catch it, right because if it's turping, it's like, go
catch it and.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Make a spend and it's gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
When Tolbert did it, it was like, oh, please catch
it and get to the twenty.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
It changes the whole complexion of kickoff returns, and it
changes how they're kicking right because before, like last year,
they're just saying, no, we're not dealing with him. It's
a touchback. You can have the ball at the thirty right. Well, now,
when you get it at the thirty five, if you
a chance to return it and you got the combination
(23:54):
of Aubrey kicking sixty yard field goals, all you've got
to do is pick up fifteen twenty yards and.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Down your kicking appeal.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
So now Turpen's getting the kickoff he had. I don't
have my notebook, I left it at home. I think
he had one hundred and five yards in kick off returns.
Now there was a lot of kickoffs what you don't want.
But again, he's a threat every time he's got the
ball and they're saying, no, you're not getting the ball
at the thirty five. I'm kicking it to the five
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yard line and we got to go cover him.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
And when he's a wide receiver, then you're talking about
yak right, you know, you throw it to him, you look,
you're looking for yak when you throw it to Toba.
What you use, what you see is what you get.
He's going to catch it and most likely he's going
to go down. You don't get much yack out of Toba.
It'd be great if I could see that, if I
saw him catch a ball and is able to shake
a tackle and go to the hot that's something I'm
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looking forward.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Then to give you that confidence.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
That would give me the comfort. Right now, I just
see him. He's like me making an inception. I got
fifty seven interceptions in one touchdown, right, So you go,
hey man, I'm calling you got you got? But you
got He's got like fifty something and he's got like
ten twelve whatever touched up. So there's a difference.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
It's jet packing a little different difference. So ore there.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
Jet packs a little different when it comes to comparing
those two. And I just wanted to see even more
from him. But having said that, he made me eat
my words when he made that.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Let me can go ahead, and I'm gonna and while
you're doing that, I'm gonna look up ever since interception
return yardage, you compare it to d.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
So you don't do that.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You know, that's cold blooded.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
I fought, I'm go ahead if you if you haven't.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Seen The Gambler and his Cowboys, you gotta go watch that.
But the one with a playmaker, the one with Mike
and is I think you you go into the head
of these wide receivers, these wide receiver ones where if
the game's on the line, give me the ball.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
You know.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
He talks about the time where he switched out, you know,
to to and it ended up going the other way
to Alvin Harper, and it's like, this is one of
those things. He wants the ball. And so you look
at the quarterbacks over the league. Man, it don't matter,
Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and Taylor. He's gonna make other
guys here, the Clark and those guys are gonna get involved.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
But he has his main guys.
Speaker 9 (26:18):
To me, when I look at and this is a
conversation that I had with Nate Newton about clutch time
performs big game Hunters as he calls them, He's like,
look when it is all down, the chips are down,
and it's nut cutting time.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
We got Mike's getting the ball. Jay Novacheck is getting
the ball. We already know.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
The pecking order of the guys that are getting the ball.
This just shows the kind of leader though that Dak is.
It's like, hey, you run that route, you're open. I'm
going to get you the ball. But when it gets
down to clutch time, and it was the nineties Cowboys,
it's Mike, It's Mike and then j nova check.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
So let's get to you, you know, get to your playmakers.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
And you have two really good playmakers out there. Forced
feed those guys in moments like that, because that's.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Why he's paying it on that third down.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
But that's why you pay them guys that money and
they live for moments like that. Not that Jalen Tobert.
Look he had this opportunity, but span Ford schoonmaker. No, man,
that's not taking anything away from But it's not their role.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
It's not their role.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Well, Schottenheimers said it repeatedly. Sometimes when you call a play,
you're not calling the play. You're calling the play to
the player, like, Okay, I got to get the ball
to this guy in this situation. That's why I'm calling
this play.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
And then the quarterback knows that right, yes, right, so yeah,
I just thought it was I'm kind of odd that
Tober was getting so many opportunities.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
It didn't hurt us.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
Uh, it was about fifty to fifty because you know,
making that catch, that that made up for a lot
of what I you know, previously thought about.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Here comes Okay, this is this is this is going
to be good because.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
You know, you go.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
By the way.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
We'll probably carry over the dark conversation now to the
next segment.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
All right, this is.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Good because this makes the Hall of Fame case.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Walls, right, Dion.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Sanders, We consider him right up there, the greatest cornerback
of all time. Right up there, he's in the if
it's a it's a very short time. Okay, it doesn't
take long to call roll there, all right. Dion in
his career played one hundred eighty eight games. Everson Walls
played one hundred eighty six games. Okay, Dion had fifty
(28:40):
three interceptions in his career. Everson had fifty seven golden exception.
Right there's there, it is gold jacket right there. Wait
a minute, right away.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Now, another next show right away.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
This is where we'll go ahead and give Dion the
greatest cornerback of all time. But that doesn't mean Everson
done belong in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
Okay, I still wouldn't give grades of all time, but
go ahead, or he's not in the conversation.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
He's in the conversation. Okay, Everson, are you in the
conversation greatest cornerback of all time?
Speaker 6 (29:18):
That should be?
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I like it now, But you're
not the greatest interception returner of all times?
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Right you already?
Speaker 9 (29:29):
He said, I intercept it, but I'm down where I
did it?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Ever?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I mean, Everson on fifty seven interceptions had five hundred
and four return yards. So you sold yourself short there.
You said you didn't get any return yards, said no
touchdowns or you had one touchdown?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
How long was the touchdown? Hello?
Speaker 8 (29:50):
So that's seventeen It was right there, boy.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
One interception I had in my life playing nine year
old Irving YMCA football. It was the seventeen yard return touchdown.
I had one intercepted Bill Banowski and took it to
the house.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
All right, What.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
He's a grown man, that man of Bill. That was
the end of it.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Well, he lived on the street over from so it
was a big rivalry he was older than me. Eight
point eight yards of return. Okay, congratulations, they got a
great career. Thank you, Dion on fifty three interception. Okay,
ever said I had five hundred and four return yards.
Dion had one thousand, three hundred and thirty one return yards.
(30:45):
That's twenty five point one yards per return and nine
touchdowns nine big.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
I just always remember that. Just taking it to the.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
House twenty five yards returns pretty nine. So he had
nine touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
And that's we're not talking plump returns. Well, we're just talking.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
So when you ran seventeen yards, you didn't reverse field
and go there.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
No. No, I was like, oh hello, hurry up, hurry
up there.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
I'm adding one more.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
I got tired and anxious because everyone was close to him.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And by the way, you still got Dion on picks
when it comes to the playoffs too. Okay, you if
you add the postseason and regular season together, you had
four picks in the postseason for sixty one in your career.
Dion had five or fifty eight.
Speaker 9 (31:33):
So you have bad man. A bad man. That's a
bad man right there. I tell everybody they couldn't even
be around me.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Seventeen yards and you play the music.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
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All right, let's talk dack when we come back here
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Speaker 4 (34:28):
Okay, let's talk Dak here, and what got me thinking
about it on the drive in And it was great
that y'all have brought it up yourselves and talking about
Dak and how well he's starting the season, how good
he looks right now. He's in the same form he
was two years ago, and now he's got even more
weapons to throw to, and so you can see what
the promise is offensively for this team. What made me
(34:50):
think about it was I was listening to Bob Poppa,
the voice of the Giants on the radio driving in,
and he was talking about Justin Herbert last night, and
you know, the Chargers won twenty to nine. Herban played
a solid game and he's and they were talking about
how Herbert's progress and how much better he looks now
whatever and pop.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Up every year.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
But Bob Papa said, I can't get out of my
head what he does in the playoffs, and so I
understand he's doing. He looks great and everything, but I
can't get past how he's performed in the playoffs. And
I think obviously that's the thing on the national narrative
as far as Dak is concerned. It's not winning in
the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
Dak knows, as we all know this whatever, he had
maybe two good games in the playoffs, But then they don't.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
People don't even remember the good games that he had
because the Cowboys haven't had playoffs success.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
I mean, the Green Bay game where Aaron Rodgers beat us.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
They don't even mention the Tampa Baca Bay game.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
Well, they said about it because nobody wanted him to
beat Tom Brady that badly. I mean, I mean they
really you can actually tell that that was like a
little salt in the game because everybody's like, you know, well, man,
you see how he did Brady?
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Yeah, well, but after you know, as always.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
And along those same lines, they're also talking about Baker Mayfield.
And I can't remember who's on the show with him,
and they were talking about they said, you know, Baker Mayfield,
he's up there, top five quarterbacks in the league. Now,
I mean they're riding the baker.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Ready to give it to him, exactly right.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
And I'm like, Dak finished second in the MVP voting
two years ago, and nobody puts Dak in the top
never mind the top five, top ten. They don't put
him up there.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
You know, it's rarely mean.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
So I wish I had this. I did a kind
of a study. I picked out the quarterbacks in playoffs.
Big names, right, what was your record in a playoff
game where you had to score thirty or more points
to win? Almost everybody but Brady had a losing record.
(36:51):
Dak put up thirty two against Green Bay Cowboys give
up forty eight. He put up as a rookie, what
was it, thirty thirty one and then they kill.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Behind and had one of his best It was like
an eight tied the game up. It was like it
was like an eight min NFC Champions San Francisco. They
fell behind by so much and.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
They give up thirty three points and he gets beat.
So and Peyton Manning was one of them. I looked
up and his record when.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
He had to a wild yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
He had to score thirty some points, you know, when
he had to do that, they.
Speaker 9 (37:26):
Got beat nobody's gonna The thing is, nobody's gonna cry
for Dak. He's highest paid quarterback in Nobody feels anything
when it comes to him or his accomplishments. And that's
why those people are so eager to push other people
in front of him without mentioning his accomplishments. And I
think DK just has to have that killer gene. This
(37:47):
is this is you got to you gotta do it.
And that's the only way you get these guys off
your back, that's the only way you get the recognition
is you go and you win it all. You go
out here in those clutch moments and you serve these
two piece when they least expected. I mean, no one
even came into this season given the Cowboys a chance,
let alone a chance against the you know, Philadelphia Eagles,
(38:09):
and he goes out there and he performs. You see
him in his second game versus the Giants lead twenty
five seconds, so whatever twenty seven seconds, whatever it is
to pull the game to overtime, that's clutch. Nobody ever
mentions that. You know, they'll talk about Aubrey, which was
crazy what he did. But in order to put you
in that position, Dak has to be lights out.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
He's done it time and time again.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
You look at his stats, where he is, who he's
passing in the organization. Again, they're so good at disrespecting him,
and the only way that he earns that respect is
going out and win it all.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
That's it's on him.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Well, colirative is always about the team, the way the
team is run. A lot of times, whether it's a
one win or loss, it's like, you know, they concentrate
on the entire team instead of saying, Okay, this is
our leader. This is the Cowboys leader right here. They
just won't give him that. I was going to ask
(39:04):
you because a few years ago, a couple of years ago,
you had some stats about how many comeback wins he's had.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
A game winning drive.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
That was twenty four that he's had. He's tied with
Romo for the most. But here's what it's about. It's
not about Dak. It's what you got.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
On your chest.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
That's what I'm saying. The organization is.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Said, Cowboys, that's what happens. What do you think that
used to happen and still happens in the Pro Football
Hall of Fame Cowboys. Yeah, guys that aren't in that
should be in Cowboys. It's not what they did, it's
who they did it with.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
That's right, because there was a.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
There used to be in the eighties and nineties, this
bias against the Cowboys and too many guys that were voting.
Just on the East Coast.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Most reporters wouldn't say this Bass. You might, you might
get out watch, but I'm right. Yeah, I believe it.
I've always said it.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Us from Minneapolis, he was outspoken. I'll never vote for
a cowboy in Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8 (40:08):
And you see teams like the Eagles able to get
players in when I was the one time I was up,
Brian Dawkins made it. And then as you look at
the cornerback that made it last.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
Year, Eric Allen. Yeah, Eric Allen. I like Eric Allen
first of all. That's my thing. Everyone to me, whoever
doesn't get in.
Speaker 8 (40:30):
They I remember I walked on the bus. They said, man,
I thought you made it, man, you deserve to make it.
I said, man, we all deserve to make it. Yeah,
because I'm looking at Tory Holt sitting there saying I
deserve to make it. Tory Holt, you understand, man, you
deserve to make it too, but he didn't make it
that year.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
You got to be on the if you're looking at
the map, got to be on the right side of
the Mississippi because they run it.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Now.
Speaker 9 (40:53):
That's that's. Look, I don't have a vote. I don't know.
This is just all I'm saying is that that's if
I had one, I put them. You know that's hey,
if you know, if I had epson, if I had one,
Darren would be over for dinner. Yeah, you better believe it.
It's just it's unfortunate to see guys work their whole
careers to get to this point and for some personal
(41:14):
vendetta to be Oh, I was never a cowboy fan
growing whatever it is, you know that to me, that's
that's that's And I think.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
What you're dealing with now is youth.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (41:23):
You know, guys like you, sailf you're a little older,
you know the history of a lot of things. I
think the younger, the younger generation of reporters nothing on
them because they got a lot of players that they've
seen play that were hell of the players. But they're
not trying to go back freaking nineteen eighty one and
trying to go.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Back and the status are different now than it's a
different game now.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
And they don't even want to tackle that. Yeah, they
don't even want to tackle that part of the subject.
Speaker 5 (41:47):
The history, which, by the way, Javonte Williams, remember I
told you the story about three. I went back and
looked he's the first player wearing thirty three to score
a touchdown since Dorset. Interesting and they only had one
other running back though that.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
War thirty three since Dorset.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Yeah it was Timmy Smith.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Oh wow, I didn't realize Timmy woard thirty.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Three in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah. Remember who wore thirty three before?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
He who won? It was there when he when he
signed with Texas Tech and Hobbs, New Mexico. Jerry Moore
was a coach at Texas Tech. I went on a
private plane with him to sign Timmy Smith. He was there,
a hot shot recruit who wore thirty three running back
War thirty three before Tony Dorset with the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (42:40):
Come on, man, come on, man, come week, come on,
we just go back.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
To the seventh time.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
I'm leaving both.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Oh, it was it was a silent.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
You know what that was.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
It was the guy that didn't want.
Speaker 6 (42:58):
To talk.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Killed all sexis state.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
He wouldn't talk, see, and they traded him and got
him back.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
Uh huh, yeah, we need his name, Mickey out, come on,
Dwayne Wayne Thomas.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
You should have just said Thomas. He would have missed it.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
The guy would have said Bill Thomas, the guy that
wouldn't talk. And then he came to training camp one
year because they wanted to do interviews with him, and
he wouldn't leave.
Speaker 6 (43:32):
He has something to say.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
He was he was on John's couch because they didn't
have a place for him because they were doing a documentary.
And he came and he talked and talked and talked,
and finally three days later it was like, excuse us,
but uh, you know, we didn't plan on putting you
up for the whole week.
Speaker 8 (43:51):
I was there at the Doug Williams of the Doug
Williams Super Bowl. I was there because I was there
because I had gotten a settlement from uh, the NFL,
because they were using my likeness without my permission.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Oh it was I'm sorry, Kodak. It was Kodak because
they're using the catch.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
Yes, I ended up getting a nice settlement. Part of
that settlement was going to the game, and so I
was gonna take my wife with me, but she was
pregnant with my son. So I took my best friend Man.
We had a ball and then to sit there and
watch Doug do what he did. Of course, my teammate man.
That was one of the best moments I've ever had
besides playing in sports.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Timmy Smith had two hundred and four yards rushing in
that Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
And Doug had four touchdown passes.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Doug was the MVP.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
As a black quarterback.
Speaker 6 (44:42):
Yeah, they asked him how long he had been a
black quarter.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (44:47):
That was one of the questions in my career.
Speaker 6 (44:50):
It was an Asian kid. He was from from over
in Japan.
Speaker 8 (44:53):
He's like, no, no, no, They said it was an
Asian girl.
Speaker 6 (44:56):
It wasn't.
Speaker 5 (44:57):
I worked with that guy.
Speaker 6 (44:58):
So who wasn't who asked the question?
Speaker 5 (45:00):
His name was Butcher John.
Speaker 6 (45:02):
Why would he ask that question?
Speaker 5 (45:03):
He didn't ask it the way it got pointed out,
it's he he prefaced it by saying, as long as
you've been a black quarterback? But it got turned around right,
and so it was well, how long have you been
black quarterback?
Speaker 8 (45:19):
Well, that took it obviously the wrong way. Because he's like,
what are you asking that? What's going on here?
Speaker 5 (45:25):
But he's responsible for me being in Dallas because I
was working with him in Jackson and we're both covering
Old miss for there was two papers and I was like,
I can't ride with this guy anymore?
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Does Oxnard Oxford?
Speaker 5 (45:37):
And I said, I got to find a new job.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
So you went from Oxford to dog Snard. That's right,
all right?
Speaker 5 (45:45):
We got our extra two minutes.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
We did, we did, Okay, we turn our attention. Who's
the opponent this week? We didn't mention the Bear Bear.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
I mean we can talk about them now.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Over to the Chicago Bears on the next edition of
Mick Shots at HIG noon tomorrow, Go Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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