September 25, 2025 • 49 mins
A whole lot of talk about eyes recognizing what is taking place in secondary coverage. Then with George Picklens stepping up to help mitigate CeeDee Lamb’s absence, which WR now steps up into his role. Banking on Clowney playing and Green Bay’s O-Line shuffle.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Well, good afternoon, Cowboys Nation, and welcome inn to the
taj Mahall of Football. We're here in Frisco at the
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is mix Shots and I'm mcmaharrison, he's Everson Walls, and
that is Mickey Spagnola. And guys, has the days countdown
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towards this game with Green Bay, it gets a little
more hopeless and a little bit more hopeless as come on, guys,
come on now, y'all.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Remember you're checking your head.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, you're next man up, y'all. Remember that that that
three stooges and they slowly myself, it's imminent. You guys
are feeling the pressure and everywhere you go. I don't
know what the line is, but as this game gets
to uh gets close to the Sunday night, the national
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media is piling on this team and basically, man, everybody's
got the clicker out. Everybody's got the clicker out showing
ebra Flus's defense and you guys have seen the same thing.
We've talked about it. There's got to be a way
to fix this. And going into Sunday, your faith is
what I'm asking on. Oh, come on, ever, so let me.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Get that question out your faith that we could fix this.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Mickey, I heard you this morning on one O five
to three the fan. So you got to tell me
where are you you in between that interview and the
coaches interview on this actually getting fixed.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Well, here's what I like to hear today from he
said what we talked about yesterday. One of the one
of the terms he used, he said, better eye discipline.
Did we not talk yesterday about do these guys see
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just look at what's happening. Well, one of the things
he said today is we've got to have discipline with
our eyes, and that they put in extra sessions, extra
time trying to go overthing. And as he pointed out,
today is another day. Yeah, okay, so maybe they can
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see better tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Tomorrow the sun was shying.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Here's what they can't say. We can say it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
What can we say?
Speaker 5 (02:59):
You've got to have players, right, think about it. Think
about this yesterday? All right, Doron Bland is limited. That's hopeful,
But that means he didn't take every snap in practice
right now, Great, he was out there, he had the
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helmet on when we were out there, shoulder pads and
so he did limited work. Trayvon Diggs didn't practice. Can't
get those two guys in the field at the same
time for something.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Have they ever been in the same room at the
same We haven't seen photo.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
It's just it's just incredible, right, So so put it
this way. There's no digs out there, there's no uh
for every play when they practice. Obviously no Bland, right
tri Quiz Bridges, how about that? You know why I
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wrote it down?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Wow, I was just looking at it.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
He was limited. So that means by process of elimination,
like who's available at cornerback after losing Zaire Childress, you
got Kayir Elam on one side and Robert Rochelle on
the other side. Yeah, right, practice squad cornerback who actually
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got elevated last week and when they went sometimes to
five dbs, he was on the field. But those were
your corners. Those would ben your corners if all those
other guys aren't on the field. Now, how do you
feel about that? I see what I'm trying to say.
You can sit there and go, well, they just don't
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have divisil or they don't communicate, But who's communicating? I
don't want the B squad out there. But that's what
you right now.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So in the secondary, the can of worms that you
just opened was the conversation that I was having with
ever since before we came on air, and I basically
was questioning whether it was a talent thing versus a
player thing, because some saying.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
That's not how he said it.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Would you interpret?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
He said, well if they just saw it his hell?
What if they just saw his hell? That's what he
just said. What we went on air. Now he's trying
to be Jones to build it up. I'm trying to
build it up.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Okay, so but look, but but consider it, consider this,
Please consent.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
He depressed me when he said, if there's if there's.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
No digs and plans land out there, now you're out
without five of your top six corners. And when you
traded for a Kyir, I don't know that they meant
for him to be the the salty veteran starter among
the bunch. Right, he was supposed to be some depth, right,
take a chance. Now he's the last guy standing of
the top six.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I understand you have a drop in productivity, but to
this degree is the problem. I remember Jimmy put me
on the bench in eighty nine after the Arizona game,
and Robert Williams took place too, took my spot. He's
out there doing the best he could. Robert Williams didn't
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make all the plays that he probably wanted to make,
you know, to make you know, to to feel in well.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But he still knew where he had to be.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
See, that's that's I get it. That a b player
can't make plays. He can't get out there and play
one on one. He you know, he can't come out
up there and make the big hit, punch the ball out.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
But just.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Be where you're supposed to be. That's the difference. I mean,
they're not even where they're supposed to be in order
to make a play. It's as if they weren't even
being coached before they got out there.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
The understanding of a starter versus.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Of of a third down player or maybe just a
guy that is replace someone like myself.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You still gotta know.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
They knew where they were going, they knew where they
had to be. It was just tougher for them to
make plays. That's why they were second team. It wasn't
because they were dumb. It's because they just couldn't make
the plays. I just want us playing zone, okay, playing
zone to be able to just minimize the productivity of
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the offense.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
That way we can get our offense on the field
and we won't have so much catch up to make
up for. Does that make sense? Yes?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Yes, So you.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You physically, okay, physically you might not be that good,
but dang you still can think do what you think,
all right?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
So we just saw that was it a was as
I are. We just saw.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I keep to Lee was critiquing the Cowboys offense and
he was talking a defense, and he was talking about
how the plays that Chicago.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Made, they weren't great plays.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
That was just us screwing up mentally, and that, to
me is the way our secondary is playing in a nutshell.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Well, and that's why they're having extra sessions.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I guess I have.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
His point was and his point was He said that
he thought yesterday's practice was one of the better ones
they've had all year. But you got to be consistent.
And so what you're saying is, okay, if if you're
batting five out of ten on your assignment, hang good god,
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my hundreds not here, right? And so those are the
things that I think you I've got to button down.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I was a very naive player because I was just
so into what I was doing. I'm going through the
whole Cowboys career here, and then when I went to
the Giants, uh that Super Bowl year, they would have
our scores on the door.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I never with the scores.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Your personal performance was that before that other place gives
out scores.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I don't know who who talking about.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, well that's the other place.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I don't know what they saw. But this is like
the coaches.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
This is in house, and so some guy in a commuting.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
No, no, no, these are guys on our coaching staff.
That was their job was to grade us every week.
And I did not know this until like week ten. Yeah,
we were winning, you know, rookie. No, I was with
the Giants with the Giant No, no, I never I
don't know if we did that here because I kind
of cared about what someone else said about because I
knew I was where I was supposed to be, so,
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but I didn't know grades came into play. If that's
the case, I would have brought my grades with me
to those freaking negotiations.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I ever pat, But I didn't know anything about grades.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So I go to New York and uh Myron got
my safety, he says, Now. I said, man, ever since
you get an A every week? And I said, what
are you talking about? They graded us out. I didn't
know that they graded us out. I'm saying all that
to say this, what are our grades for our secondary?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Not Once again, it wasn't about if you make a
play or.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Not on your grade. Your grade is if you're what
are you supposed to be?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Period?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And I'm pretty sure all of our starters, this is
New York, we got on TV. We gotta call banks.
You know you got guys that that thought the game.
Pretty sure everybody got around alb I'm pretty sure I
wasn't unique in that. But what are our grades here?
I would like to see what they grade us on,
just responsibility wise, not playmaking.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
What was your when you were in New York, what
was you guys's base deferentt D two cover two CO two.
So if all us fails, and I'm sure y'all had
a signal for what cover two was, if it's something
else had been called and it had been reversed back
to cover two, you could go back to what that
base was.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Easily, easily.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
You knew your base defense like the back of your hand,
because that's if all else fails. Take glass off of button. Yes,
the base defense here is zone and so.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And that's good. That's good.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
But you have to make the adjustments within your defense
depending on the team, right, Yeah. I mean, if you've
got a team that's going deep all time, to think, hey,
maybe our corners maybe play a little softer. Yeah, you know,
make sure you bring him inside as much as possible.
But instead of going for the flare or the dump off,
drop back a little bit more for the corner route,
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you know, or for the inside, and then that back
out to the fade to where they press you up
against the sideline.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Ar if it's third and eight, you're not going to
bump into the line of scripts, thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
So you already know how they're great and now based
off of where they are on the field, and so
that's what I guess. The confusing thing for everybody, and
we're talking about players, is how doesn't Kayer Elim understand
on the play that we just watched that he's supposed
to be in coverage and not around the line of scrimmage.
How does he How does his eyes get fooled on
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a play like that?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
That was a fleet flicker?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Right, I believe so?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Well, he thinks he up and make the play. He
thinks that's his job to come up on the either running.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Play or a short route. But yeah, that was a
fleet flicker. He thought for some reason, he thought that
he was supposed.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
To again, not an out standing play, a raggedy flee
flicker at that, But you're fooled by it. And we're
just talking about wide receivers being in the areas wide
open and guys not being in the areas that they're
responsible for. So regardless, if it's a scheme, if it's
a guy just not understanding what he's doing, these breakdowns
are happening to the tune of almost a thousand yards
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over the last two games.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Remember I talked about the rhythm of a play it's
no way he should think that a running play. He
should be charging up on any running play that wasn't
a cover too. They were in on the play that
you and I talk. Our key was talking about the
play you've got to have players uh deep on cover three,
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and that's where he was. That was his assignment. He
was deep third. There's no reason for him to be
coming up on a deep third. It's just no reason
for him to do that. And that flee flicker when
you saw his timing, he reacted extremely late to seeing
that fleet flicker.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
So figure it out.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
They talked about they were talking about eyes. That's what
the coach just said, Yeah, talk about eyes.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
First of all, the rhythm is no way there's gonna
take a run and play that long. And for him
to step up, not just one hesitation. He came up
two three stemps.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So come on, man.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Here's the other thing on that, just not being aware.
It's just I give I give Ben Johnson credit for
when he called it. The Cowboys had just driven down
the field, had to settle for a field goal, so
you're thinking the defense is coming out going Okay, we're
going to show them. We're going to be real aggressive here,
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get off the field right, and he got them because
they got overly aggressive trying.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
To be aggressive on the call.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
But I know, I know when you when you see that, yeah, okay,
I'm going to take care of this, and you got
to know you got to take care of yourself.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You gotta know that. That's what they know. Well, I mean,
that's that's why I know, that's what they know.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
That's why I thought the play was perfectly called at
that spot because that he anticipated that the Cowboys defenders
were going to and they were going to be aggressive
in that point. It was the first play of the series.
It wasn't like they led up to it or set
it up.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Well, when do we get to the point where we
look at this defensive line and say, look, your secondary
wouldn't struggle as mightily as they have been in these
last couple of games. If you are able to put pressure, absolutely,
I mean I would everything were dragging guys.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
But now are they capable?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, that's that's the that's the million dollar question because
you have a I know you don't have a whole
lot of love for guys right now in the defensive
end room, but that's what they are trying.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
But that's what they got.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
That's exactly if the Calvary is not coming in the defense,
care is in the secondary.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Jadavian clowning.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, they're talked about. Hope he comes to it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Listen to me.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
So what did we did? Well, we talked about it. Yeah,
fifteen twenty snaps maybe. Okay, So he did an interview
yesterday and he was talking about he was ready to
play last week and he was hoping they'd put him
in and they told him, no, you need to wait
a week. So went on and on about you know,
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how to be ready. So everybody left and I went
up to him and I asked him, I said, have
you ever been in this situation before where you had
to come in and play in a game with only
a week and a half of practice, one padded practice.
He goes absolutely, and I go in. He goes twenty nineteen,
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I got traded from the Texans to Seattle. He was
he didn't sign his franchise tag and they finally had
enough and on August thirty first, they traded him to Seattle. Okay,
so he hadn't practiced, no training camp, no off season.
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He goes up to Seattle and he tells me. He goes,
you go look it up just like that. I said,
well I will. He said, I played forty six snaps. Wow,
I said you did not. He goes, I played forty
six snaps.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Look it up. That's a odd number. Specific he remembered it.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
So I go get the play by play. I looked
it up. He played forty six snaps, two tackles, one sack,
one quarterback hit, one tackle for a loss, and one
pass defense. And when we finished, he said, this ain't
nothing new to me, just like that, and I'm going, okay,
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let's go.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, he has always been known to be special.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
So let's see it. Because they're saying he's trending. He's saying,
I'm playing right now. We'll see if they you know what,
if he can talk him into it. But guess who
was in Seattle in twenty nineteen shot night ah as
the offensive court. Interesting, So maybe he knows a little
bit more than he's lett.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
May he may give him some leeway and give him
some trust.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Or just put his put him out there.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well, I hope he still has that twenty nineteen body
style that was able to play those forty six snaps.
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We got your favorite subject coming up here and it
is Micah Parsons and that defense returning to AT and
T Stadium, and I started to show off talking about
hopelessness and everybody saying that we don't have a snowballs
chance of getting a victory versus the Green Bay Packers.
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But Micah is on a defense that quite honestly is
you can look at the next couple of games, fourteen games,
they could be the number one defense in the NFL.
Against Cleveland, which also had a very good defense, and
that was a standoff thirteen to ten, a really good
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game as we're talking. As we talked about, but that
defense really presents a ton of pressure. One of the
things that I know defensive coordinators love is when they
can get pressure with just four and this team they
don't have to bring blitzes, but they will bring blitzes.
As you've continued to dive into that dope sheet you
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got over there, tell me more, see Mickey about this
defense and just some of the things that you've noticed
so far with the stats that they are going to
break to the table on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Yeah, they do a nice job up front, but they
will blitz their linebackers. Yes, Okay, so they got to
be ready for that, and I'm sure they're going to
try to do some fancy stuff up front since the
Cowboys have to play two backups on the offensive line. Now,
the one thing I did see quite a bit, I
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think I mentioned it yesterday is they will if say
Mike is lined up at right defensive end, okay, okay,
the guy that's next to him at defensive tackle, his
first move is to go block the tackle that's on
Micah so that he can release him to get free,
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either go further outside or loop around inside, because then
if the guards double teaming, the center's got to be
pretty aware of something that's coming from way off as peripheral.
I don't know to pick up parsons, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
If it's the uniqueness of his speed and momentum. When
the guy comes and shields off your guy, it gives
you a chance to really get your momentum going as
you go inside. It's inside rush. To me, it's his strength.
That's where he really shows what he can do. He
comes with the rip that always got him in the face,
you know, in the side of the helmet, but he's
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always ready to lean in on that stunt. Now this
I wouldn't call it a stunt. I guess you cook
good called a stunt. But when he if someone's going
to shield off his man and that gives him a
chance to have momentum going in to I guess the
guard then going around him, well, Yeah, because there's no
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one there. Well, he could he could shake him down,
he could break him down like a basketball movie.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
He can do all of that.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
But when you have that much room between you and
that offender, uh, it gives him a lot of chances
to increase here, crease there, or even just.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Bull rush agains.
Speaker 10 (24:08):
Well.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
A lot of what Cleveland was doing, they were running
right at him.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So do you think that was because of the run.
They were doing that that they the green Bay was
doing that because of the run protecting.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Well, they were doing that in passing.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Situations, so they were catching them. Okay, So basically what
they were doing is catching them out of position when
they were stunting, and that was using the big leaving
a big hole behind.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
But they ran at him and the success and they
neutralized it against the run, yeah, seventy nine. I didn't
look up the tackle. I think it was their left tackle.
I want to say against the run, he was no
factor and there were times where they take him out
of the game.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
So that that green Bay defense, of course, they played.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
But the rest of them to win that they got
two They got two sacks in the game. Both were
Gary's right. So you just gotta keep them occupied by
running the football well or efficiently. You don't have to
run it a lot, just and we've been good at that,
and as long as they hold onto the ball at
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the end of the run.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And guys, we've talked about the opportunity that George Pickens has,
and I think a lot of people were so high
up on George Pickens when he first came over, because
when last season all you had was CD and the Maybies,
you know, hopefully a guy would come on and so
that next man mentality that we're talking about, we're seeing
that front and center. But there are other guys that
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are going to have to replace the production of George
Pickens as a number two wide receiver. Who's gonna be
that amongst the Jalen Toberts, the Flinoise and the Turpins.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Gotta be that's your only three choices.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It's gotta be back committing. It has to be back
committed they have.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
You know, I don't know which one I would rather
have as the number two, but I think Terpin is
definitely someone that if yoused properly, he could really take
the top off of this thing. If they just I
would have to give him a try, I would go,
I would at least give him two tries for a
(26:20):
deep touchdown. They just run a straight nine from the
slot and let me see what you got.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Why didn't neither one of you guys say correct me
and say, Jake Ferguson, Well, I mean it was a setup. Question.
Jake Ferguson's next, Jake Ferguson. As far as the stats
are concerned, As far as the numbers, he's number one
amongst tight ends right now. As far as receptions is that.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Thirteen catches last week.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
For what fifty yards?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
More than more than? Maybe it was? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
More than Wait I was joking, is it sixty?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Come on man, yeah, wait wait, and you're telling me.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well, I'm asking, I'm asking now you have seemingly yeah,
you're gonna need skill. Come on, eighty two. He had
eighty two. But none of you even said, like to
even think that the slack could be made up by
your tight end who had thirteen catches.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
I just haven't see them using him effectively. If they
want to change how they use him, then that's fine.
Are we still going to have to keep him in
for protection and then leak out? Because if you do
that then of course he has no room to get downfield.
And the pressure. This is how they play the Cowboys.
When you're sitting down on routes and we're not trying
(27:31):
to take that top off down the field, you're going
to have not just pressure. That means the second level
of your defense, they're not going to be back here.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
They're going to be right here supporting their front line.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
And that means that Ferguson will always have somebody looking
right at him when he leaks out.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
See that.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
That's what happened in the Chicago game. There was somebody
on the entire time. He couldn't break tackles. That's not
his I mean I wish he could break some tackles.
But those guys they played, they get paid as well.
And that there was no yak at all.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Well, he was the relief guy of course, right just dumping,
but after protecting right, which is you know we needed that,
we needed that. And here's the deal for him to
be as effective as we've seen him, Like on that
same pass, your outside guys have to occupy some defenders, right,
and the guy in the slot's got to take another corner.
(28:25):
So maybe he's on a linebacker and the safety's got to.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Hover over right right, that's usually way.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
But if if they think, like we're thinking, okay, Pickens
is the guy, well, what are they going to do?
Dublin double them right, So the guy on the other
side has got to produce. The guy on the other
side has to attract some eyeballs. So the middle of
the field opens up. Now in there, if they're in
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two tight ends, you're in two wide receivers. Right, Well,
can Tolbert FILNOI do something on the outside out? It
would be neat if they had Mingo available and he's
at the soonest next week, right, he's got one more year.
Why do you because he's available.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I'se he's big.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
He's big, and he's fast, and he's strong and and
he's the guy that was going to be I think
he might have outplayed Tolbird in training camp. Really, I
thought he had a good training uh and he was
a target down the field. But again, he's not available.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
But here's a here's a Tolbert because.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Turping on the outside, they'll just back up, but he
can carve him in the middle. If the linebackers are.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Okeay, well that's what they did. On the crossing route, right,
And that was all the time they knew that someone's
going to be over the top looking at him, and
he actually beat two guys coming across the middle.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
So they're going to have to be creative to to
keep this passing game going. It's not going to be
just okay, throw it to George Pickens because they thinking
they're gonna throw it to George Pickings, So.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
So faith his I guess My question is is do
you view George Pickens before George Pickens got here? Did
you view him as a number one wide received? Yes?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
I did so, And when he got here, I viewed
him as a number one right.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yes, okay, and so same here away from the Dallas Cowboys,
the rest of the NFL. Most number one wide receivers
in the league draw a double team. Correct, So this
shouldn't be He's not in foreign territory according to what
we know about number one wide receivers. So how does
your game plan change because he's now? It should now,
(30:35):
I'm what I'm saying. I'mplying is your game plan shouldn't
change because now he's the number one wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Well, I mean it should change because now you have
you had two number one true, Now you only have
one number one absolutely and now who number double team?
Now who do you double team? If you if CDs
I'm not I'm not saying now. But before CD got hurt,
you had you had to pick your poison on which
one you go double team?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And think about it. There's only two teams in the
NFL that have a one A one B wide receiver.
And I would say that's Detroit and Cincinnati. I was
gonna say, right, And so those that'll give you to
make you think, Okay, who's the double team gonna go to?
All right, But in this case, I guess before ced
Lamb was hurt, you it was a picky poison kind
of situation. But now, even though that changes with the injury,
(31:22):
the double team is gonna go to George Pickings. But
still George Pickens is in a situation with us where
he has to prove his worth.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Right now, Well, you've got to scheme something to defeat
the double team. Like the guy that's doubling. You've got
to do something to.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Get you got to rub routes, all rub routes, blaunch routes,
all of that. There's really there's ways to do it,
if that's what you want to do. I never see
the Cowboys doing that. I have never seen them try
to create space with combination.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Routes and like run into the Yes.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Yeah, I've never seen the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Now, let me give you an example. So in that
nineteen ninety two NFC title game against San Francisco, San
Francisco decided they were gonna double Michael Irvin and single
Alvin Harper. Okay, Michael Irvin repeatedly beat the double. They
changed at halftime. It was like, okay, we're not doubling
(32:20):
him anymore. Dion get over there and cover it. Because
Dion started off on Elvin Harper right, and they said, okay, Dion,
you got him. We're not doubles that.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Day.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
And then Michael showed Dion what he could do. It
wasn't like okay for fans call that's right, they're coming
back and win the game, right, yeah, man, because when
they started the game off, I'll never forget.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I've never seen look so tired. I've never seen him.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
They started the game off. First play, Dion's on Harper
line of scrimmage and he basically slapped his knee right
like I'm with you. You know, you getting off right, It's like, okay, fine,
but your double's not working on Michael Irvin. So they
put him over there, and Michael Irvin wore him out,
and we.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Might want to call Mike and see if he has
any eligibility because the truth is, Mickey, how unfair to
start an argument with Hall of Fame wide receiver Michael
Irvin and a double team.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Using that as an example. How we can we Mickey?
I love going down I talking.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
About a barnas Hey, George ways.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
To George of the Lucky Room and say George will
tell you ninety two, and he would say I can
do it? Yeah he should, right, yeah he should.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I love his confidence.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Now this is this is a young man that obviously
before he got here was in flux with Pittsburgh, but
needed to prove himself as he as a number one
wide receiver. He's the numbers are there for sure.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Right the touchdown he's done extremely well, Yeah, I mean
he's done it.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
He can't. He's come in with a reputation and I think, man,
look this game to me. In the next couple of
games that ceedee Lamb is out. If he's a guy
that could carry the weight for you in that passing game.
And guys like Jalen Tobert Interpin because they have the
more advantageous matchup. You know, they have the third and
(34:22):
fourth guy on them that they could absolutely take advantage
of their matchup and be productive in the passag.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Yeah, they could, but they're third and fourth guys. I mean,
so you know what kind of confidence do they have
in themselves? And that's what you look at when I
like what I like about Pickens versus the double team CDs.
His expertise to me is getting open and you know
he loves to body catch, and I don't mean unnecessarily
he's in he makes he puts himself in the position
(34:50):
to where Dak can put that thing right there and
he can catch it like this or like that.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And he's gone.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Pickens, I think against the double team he's more effective,
first of all, with his win span is stronger and
his catching ability is strong. I think you could have
two guys on him and that's you know, fifty to
fifty balls. We've seen it, and he's gonna he can
out catch two guys going for the ball. He can
(35:16):
do that, I think on the consistent basis as long
as he puts himself in position to do that.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I don't want him to have.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
To be covered like CD was on that great pass
and catch that he and Dak had.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I don't want to have to be covered back and forth.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I want him to be in front of both guys
because he can body them out with his size and
with his wingspan.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
So can you guys name the packers corners?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I cannot. I'm a cheat because I have that too
deep in front of me.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
But I had to pick up the dope sheet speaking
of dope right right. He couldn't wait any longer.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
He looks good though.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
It will help me out with the pronunciation. That one
guy's first name Shot Nixon.
Speaker 11 (36:02):
That's Keyshan it is. It's a two time pro bowler.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
All right. And Nate Hollips.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
That's the two coins.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Those are the two coins.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Which one is the is Keyshan? What numbers keysh.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Oh kishaw Nixon is his full Yes, twenty five. I
lost that page. Well, Bill is back and we're gonna
take our break and we're going to bring him up
to speed on what's going on here on mix shots.
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Speaker 11 (39:04):
So what you got going on the rally days?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I did my rally day.
Speaker 11 (39:09):
Okay, you just get one a year.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Man.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Unfortunately, unfortunately he's going to the Packers rally. Yeah, I'm
going to maybe there's money, No, there is chicken and
pickle grapevine? Really yeah, Packers rally.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
See that goes. He's undercovered, undercovered, under covered. Growing up
a Packer fan, and you were.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Sometimes you grow.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Out of things.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
You know, this guy lived in Chicago, grew up in
Chicago and is a Packers fan. Do you know how
much arguation? Do you know how much arguing Mickey Spagnola
is done in his life? The Packers fed.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
The Packers won five championships in Chicago, A different thing.
If you fans couldn't say a thing. They won five
WANs a lot.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, it's like being a Philly fan in Dallas.
Speaker 10 (40:05):
Yeah, okay, get me up to speed on once transpired.
The first forty minutes of this show.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Well we got two schools of thought here. I was
saying that, you know, maybe the players are no good,
and ever since is saying maybe the philosophy is no good?
Speaker 3 (40:20):
And wait wait, how did you say it?
Speaker 12 (40:22):
No?
Speaker 5 (40:22):
No, no, no, okay, and I said their eyes were
no good.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Mickey said their eyes, which is what the coach said.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Wait, he had that backed up.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
So secondary iber Fus kept talking about I discipline.
Speaker 11 (40:37):
Okay, I'm here to bring you hope, hope for a
new tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Keep hoping.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Go back to the nineteen no.
Speaker 12 (40:44):
No.
Speaker 11 (40:44):
I watched the coaches film.
Speaker 10 (40:46):
They're all twenty two of the Packers offense, and we
talk a lot about the injury issues that the Cowboys
have on the offensive line. Of course with CD, but
if you look at what the Packers are dealing with
right now, you can make a great case that there
have more issues on their offensive line with injuries than
(41:07):
what the Cowboys do right now. Tell me what I
got to do is go look at that Cleveland game
and yeah, Cleveland's got a really good defense. Yes, okay,
And so I had just shoked it up to Cleveland's
got a really good defense until I went and watched
the film and I saw that Zach Tom the right
tackle for the Packers. You know, I mean plays he
played in that game. He did start the game and
(41:29):
on the first play of the game, he was lined
up against Miles Garrett, who bull rushed him, and he
came out of the game after one play.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
He got it.
Speaker 11 (41:37):
He got one play of Miles Garrett and yeah, never
to return. And he had he did not practice yesterday, right, Nope,
I got the injury bleak there.
Speaker 10 (41:46):
He's got an oblique injury and he had already was
dealing with him. He had missed the previous game. And
so it took one play, one one bull rush from
Miles Garrett, and that oblique injury that he had kept
him out of us It sent him out of the
Cleveland game too.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
So it was like the old DeMarcus ware female.
Speaker 10 (42:06):
Yes, So they replaced Zach tom with Jordan Morgan number
seventy seven, who was their first round draft pick last
year out of Arizona. Okay, Now, he did not get
on the field much last year, one hundred and eighty
six snaps for the Packers, even despite the fact he
was their first round draft pick taken just prior to
(42:29):
when Tyler Geiton was taken. He was the twenty fifth
overall pick. Jordan Morgan was okay, and he six games,
one start, So he gets thrown into the mix and
you could tell right off the bat. It didn't take long.
Speaker 11 (42:42):
Cleveland took advantage of him at right tackle.
Speaker 10 (42:44):
Okay, So then about well it was thirty snaps into
the game, the Packers lose their left guard, Aaron Banks,
who they signed as a free agent from San Francisco,
gave him four years, seventy seven million dollar. They lose
him to a groin injury. So now Jordan Morgan seventy
(43:04):
seven moves to left guard, and here comes their second
round pick this year out of North Carolina State, Anthony Belton,
into the game to play right tackle.
Speaker 11 (43:17):
And what was the injury?
Speaker 10 (43:19):
The practice report on Aaron Banks from yesterday, did he
groin injury? Did not practice, So that's something to keep
an eye on for Sunday night. Left guard and right tackle.
And when they moved Morgan to left guard, the Browns
took advantage of that, and they took advantage of Belton
at right tackle as well.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
So that also contributed to the lack of output.
Speaker 10 (43:43):
So when you look at why the Packers only scored
ten points in that game against Cleveland, it had a
lot to do with Cleveland's defense, but it had probably
had just as much to do with the injury issues
they have on their offensive line, which they.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
May have this week too, So we're going to go
with the misery loves company. Yeah, that's gonna be our
game plan. We loves company.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
The confidence level that the Cowboys could take advantage defensively.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
And I'm sure they're being told that. I mean, here,
we have a chance now. Having said that, you had
an offensive line against from the New York Giants and
Chicago Bears. Yeah, but I thought the Giants was worse
back they I mean, they were in disarray and yet
they scored what forty points.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
On us Packers only through for a gross one hundred
and eighty three.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
How many times the love gets sacked? Did he get sacked?
Speaker 10 (44:33):
He got sacked five times? Oh wow, he got sacked
five times. And it was a product of the new guys.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
On their own.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Miles Garrett got sense the Pro Bowl in this game
so well.
Speaker 10 (44:44):
Faith Offenberg actually tweeted out a picture with the some
of the All twenty two he was looking at. It
was hilarious because the Packers had three guys blocking Garrett.
Speaker 11 (44:57):
So that may be a fact too.
Speaker 10 (44:59):
They're literally three guys locked on Garrett on the left
side of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Anyway, they know when they know when they were compromised
and back.
Speaker 10 (45:09):
And I just take Brian Schottenneimers show and you take anything. Well,
he expects the Packers to run the football. And that's
probably without saying it, that's probably probably one of the
reasons they need to settle things down on their offensive line,
so they need to establish the run. Jacobs had thirty yards.
Josh Jacobs had thirty yards on sixteen carries.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah, I didn't think he was.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, he did a lot out of the backfield in
the pass.
Speaker 10 (45:35):
Bro five catches for forty four yards last week. But
so anyway, and and the Cowboys will be running the football.
You know the cow did you see the Cowboys are
second in the league and yards per carry?
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Not surprised at all? Seven yards of carry. Yes, and
start off running the ball in the second.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Half, Well, they did.
Speaker 10 (45:56):
They started off running the ball in the second No,
they it was five or six plays. They got to
midfield and then it was a second and five at
the forty five, the plus forty five, and they dropped
back to pass and here comes somebody around the gutting
on the left side, and they were also rushing up
the middle ten yard loss.
Speaker 11 (46:15):
It wasn't just a sack.
Speaker 10 (46:17):
It was a ten yard sack, and now you're throwing
it on third and fifteen, and I still say that
was the biggest play.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Of the game. And then you completely abandon the run after.
Speaker 10 (46:27):
Well because you had a nineteen play drive that made
it a seventeen point lead that you gave up.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
And now it was.
Speaker 11 (46:36):
Literally the fourth quarter now and you had to throw it.
It had to go tempo and throw it at that point.
Speaker 5 (46:41):
So I mean they started going no huddle too, right,
I remember.
Speaker 10 (46:46):
That's right, yeah, because it now becomes you're not going
to have enough possessions unless you do this thing fast.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
And I think it's a philosophy thing. I mean, you
watch enough football. You see guys even when they're behind,
still running the ball and keeping team. I mean you
talk about the average of Carrie. That's something that benefits
the Cowboys greatly. And it keeps that defensive end off
of guiding in this game right here, even if you
get behind, you're gonna have to continue to run the ball.
Speaker 10 (47:12):
That's what and that's what Sean Nimber was doing in
last week's game. And then one play you get sacked,
you try to throw downfield. One time you get sacked,
and now you're third and fifteen and what are you
gonna You're gonna run on third and fifteen And.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
They did not get the ball back until nine.
Speaker 10 (47:29):
Seconds nine seconds left in the third quarter. Quarter, right,
the drive, that's where it's complimentary football.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Well, I guess we did mention that they got the
ball to start the third quarter, right, yeah, right.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
That's what we talked about, that they had the sack
and that ended that drive because they started the third
quarter with Williams.
Speaker 11 (47:46):
With a nine yard run that was his last carry
of the game.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
Threw an out to Williams.
Speaker 11 (47:51):
First down, Sanders.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
Was Sanders came in six, Sanders five, and then they
had a down and then Sanders five and they went deep.
So when they got the ball back in the fourth quarter,
it was no huddle.
Speaker 10 (48:09):
All of that gives me hope for Sunday night. Nobody
said I'm the eternal optimist. I have hope for Sunday night.
And I can't wait to hear what my pick is
going to be.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
I can't wait.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
You on the lip, Well, I'm gonna try and look
up some former scores here.
Speaker 11 (48:26):
Well, you look that up, back to mail it.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
Unfortunately for Bill, the Cowboys have lost nine of the
last ten games to the Packers.
Speaker 11 (48:35):
There's one game in twenty sixteen, Yes there is.
Speaker 10 (48:39):
Riscott led the victory on the road at Lambo and
he had to score thirty points.
Speaker 12 (48:44):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Can it be done again?
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Nothing has changed? All right?
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Does it?
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towards this game with Green Bay, it gets a little
more hopeless and a little bit more hopeless as come on, guys,
come on now, y'all.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Remember you're checking your head.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, you're next man up, y'all. Remember that that that
three stooges and they slowly myself, it's imminent. You guys
are feeling the pressure and everywhere you go. I don't
know what the line is, but as this game gets
to uh gets close to the Sunday night, the national
(01:26):
media is piling on this team and basically, man, everybody's
got the clicker out. Everybody's got the clicker out showing
ebra Flus's defense and you guys have seen the same thing.
We've talked about it. There's got to be a way
to fix this. And going into Sunday, your faith is
what I'm asking on. Oh, come on, ever, so let me.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Get that question out your faith that we could fix this.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Mickey, I heard you this morning on one O five
to three the fan. So you got to tell me
where are you you in between that interview and the
coaches interview on this actually getting fixed.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Well, here's what I like to hear today from he
said what we talked about yesterday. One of the one
of the terms he used, he said, better eye discipline.
Did we not talk yesterday about do these guys see
(02:25):
just look at what's happening. Well, one of the things
he said today is we've got to have discipline with
our eyes, and that they put in extra sessions, extra
time trying to go overthing. And as he pointed out,
today is another day. Yeah, okay, so maybe they can
(02:46):
see better tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Tomorrow the sun was shying.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Here's what they can't say. We can say it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
What can we say?
Speaker 5 (02:59):
You've got to have players, right, think about it. Think
about this yesterday? All right, Doron Bland is limited. That's hopeful,
But that means he didn't take every snap in practice
right now, Great, he was out there, he had the
(03:20):
helmet on when we were out there, shoulder pads and
so he did limited work. Trayvon Diggs didn't practice. Can't
get those two guys in the field at the same
time for something.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Have they ever been in the same room at the
same We haven't seen photo.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
It's just it's just incredible, right, So so put it
this way. There's no digs out there, there's no uh
for every play when they practice. Obviously no Bland, right
tri Quiz Bridges, how about that? You know why I
(04:01):
wrote it down?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Wow, I was just looking at it.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
He was limited. So that means by process of elimination,
like who's available at cornerback after losing Zaire Childress, you
got Kayir Elam on one side and Robert Rochelle on
the other side. Yeah, right, practice squad cornerback who actually
(04:29):
got elevated last week and when they went sometimes to
five dbs, he was on the field. But those were
your corners. Those would ben your corners if all those
other guys aren't on the field. Now, how do you
feel about that? I see what I'm trying to say.
You can sit there and go, well, they just don't
(04:51):
have divisil or they don't communicate, But who's communicating? I
don't want the B squad out there. But that's what
you right now.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So in the secondary, the can of worms that you
just opened was the conversation that I was having with
ever since before we came on air, and I basically
was questioning whether it was a talent thing versus a
player thing, because some saying.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
That's not how he said it.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Would you interpret?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
He said, well if they just saw it his hell?
What if they just saw his hell? That's what he
just said. What we went on air. Now he's trying
to be Jones to build it up. I'm trying to
build it up.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Okay, so but look, but but consider it, consider this,
Please consent.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
He depressed me when he said, if there's if there's.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
No digs and plans land out there, now you're out
without five of your top six corners. And when you
traded for a Kyir, I don't know that they meant
for him to be the the salty veteran starter among
the bunch. Right, he was supposed to be some depth, right,
take a chance. Now he's the last guy standing of
the top six.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I understand you have a drop in productivity, but to
this degree is the problem. I remember Jimmy put me
on the bench in eighty nine after the Arizona game,
and Robert Williams took place too, took my spot. He's
out there doing the best he could. Robert Williams didn't
(06:26):
make all the plays that he probably wanted to make,
you know, to make you know, to to feel in well.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But he still knew where he had to be.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
See, that's that's I get it. That a b player
can't make plays. He can't get out there and play
one on one. He you know, he can't come out
up there and make the big hit, punch the ball out.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
But just.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Be where you're supposed to be. That's the difference. I mean,
they're not even where they're supposed to be in order
to make a play. It's as if they weren't even
being coached before they got out there.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
The understanding of a starter versus.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Of of a third down player or maybe just a
guy that is replace someone like myself.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You still gotta know.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
They knew where they were going, they knew where they
had to be. It was just tougher for them to
make plays. That's why they were second team. It wasn't
because they were dumb. It's because they just couldn't make
the plays. I just want us playing zone, okay, playing
zone to be able to just minimize the productivity of
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the offense.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
That way we can get our offense on the field
and we won't have so much catch up to make
up for. Does that make sense? Yes?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Yes, So you.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You physically, okay, physically you might not be that good,
but dang you still can think do what you think,
all right?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
So we just saw that was it a was as
I are. We just saw.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I keep to Lee was critiquing the Cowboys offense and
he was talking a defense, and he was talking about
how the plays that Chicago.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Made, they weren't great plays.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
That was just us screwing up mentally, and that, to
me is the way our secondary is playing in a nutshell.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Well, and that's why they're having extra sessions.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I guess I have.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
His point was and his point was He said that
he thought yesterday's practice was one of the better ones
they've had all year. But you got to be consistent.
And so what you're saying is, okay, if if you're
batting five out of ten on your assignment, hang good god,
(08:33):
my hundreds not here, right? And so those are the
things that I think you I've got to button down.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I was a very naive player because I was just
so into what I was doing. I'm going through the
whole Cowboys career here, and then when I went to
the Giants, uh that Super Bowl year, they would have
our scores on the door.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I never with the scores.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Your personal performance was that before that other place gives
out scores.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I don't know who who talking about.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, well that's the other place.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I don't know what they saw. But this is like
the coaches.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
This is in house, and so some guy in a commuting.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
No, no, no, these are guys on our coaching staff.
That was their job was to grade us every week.
And I did not know this until like week ten. Yeah,
we were winning, you know, rookie. No, I was with
the Giants with the Giant No, no, I never I
don't know if we did that here because I kind
of cared about what someone else said about because I
knew I was where I was supposed to be, so,
(09:41):
but I didn't know grades came into play. If that's
the case, I would have brought my grades with me
to those freaking negotiations.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I ever pat, But I didn't know anything about grades.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So I go to New York and uh Myron got
my safety, he says, Now. I said, man, ever since
you get an A every week? And I said, what
are you talking about? They graded us out. I didn't
know that they graded us out. I'm saying all that
to say this, what are our grades for our secondary?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Not Once again, it wasn't about if you make a
play or.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Not on your grade. Your grade is if you're what
are you supposed to be?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Period?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And I'm pretty sure all of our starters, this is
New York, we got on TV. We gotta call banks.
You know you got guys that that thought the game.
Pretty sure everybody got around alb I'm pretty sure I
wasn't unique in that. But what are our grades here?
I would like to see what they grade us on,
just responsibility wise, not playmaking.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
What was your when you were in New York, what
was you guys's base deferentt D two cover two CO two.
So if all us fails, and I'm sure y'all had
a signal for what cover two was, if it's something
else had been called and it had been reversed back
to cover two, you could go back to what that
base was.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Easily, easily.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
You knew your base defense like the back of your hand,
because that's if all else fails. Take glass off of button. Yes,
the base defense here is zone and so.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And that's good. That's good.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
But you have to make the adjustments within your defense
depending on the team, right, Yeah. I mean, if you've
got a team that's going deep all time, to think, hey,
maybe our corners maybe play a little softer. Yeah, you know,
make sure you bring him inside as much as possible.
But instead of going for the flare or the dump off,
drop back a little bit more for the corner route,
(11:30):
you know, or for the inside, and then that back
out to the fade to where they press you up
against the sideline.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Ar if it's third and eight, you're not going to
bump into the line of scripts, thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
So you already know how they're great and now based
off of where they are on the field, and so
that's what I guess. The confusing thing for everybody, and
we're talking about players, is how doesn't Kayer Elim understand
on the play that we just watched that he's supposed
to be in coverage and not around the line of scrimmage.
How does he How does his eyes get fooled on
(12:00):
a play like that?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
That was a fleet flicker?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Right, I believe so?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Well, he thinks he up and make the play. He
thinks that's his job to come up on the either running.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Play or a short route. But yeah, that was a
fleet flicker. He thought for some reason, he thought that
he was supposed.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
To again, not an out standing play, a raggedy flee
flicker at that, But you're fooled by it. And we're
just talking about wide receivers being in the areas wide
open and guys not being in the areas that they're
responsible for. So regardless, if it's a scheme, if it's
a guy just not understanding what he's doing, these breakdowns
are happening to the tune of almost a thousand yards
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over the last two games.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Remember I talked about the rhythm of a play it's
no way he should think that a running play. He
should be charging up on any running play that wasn't
a cover too. They were in on the play that
you and I talk. Our key was talking about the
play you've got to have players uh deep on cover three,
(13:06):
and that's where he was. That was his assignment. He
was deep third. There's no reason for him to be
coming up on a deep third. It's just no reason
for him to do that. And that flee flicker when
you saw his timing, he reacted extremely late to seeing
that fleet flicker.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
So figure it out.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
They talked about they were talking about eyes. That's what
the coach just said, Yeah, talk about eyes.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
First of all, the rhythm is no way there's gonna
take a run and play that long. And for him
to step up, not just one hesitation. He came up
two three stemps.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So come on, man.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Here's the other thing on that, just not being aware.
It's just I give I give Ben Johnson credit for
when he called it. The Cowboys had just driven down
the field, had to settle for a field goal, so
you're thinking the defense is coming out going Okay, we're
going to show them. We're going to be real aggressive here,
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get off the field right, and he got them because
they got overly aggressive trying.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
To be aggressive on the call.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
But I know, I know when you when you see that, yeah, okay,
I'm going to take care of this, and you got
to know you got to take care of yourself.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
You gotta know that. That's what they know. Well, I mean,
that's that's why I know, that's what they know.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
That's why I thought the play was perfectly called at
that spot because that he anticipated that the Cowboys defenders
were going to and they were going to be aggressive
in that point. It was the first play of the series.
It wasn't like they led up to it or set
it up.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Well, when do we get to the point where we
look at this defensive line and say, look, your secondary
wouldn't struggle as mightily as they have been in these
last couple of games. If you are able to put pressure, absolutely,
I mean I would everything were dragging guys.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
But now are they capable?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, that's that's the that's the million dollar question because
you have a I know you don't have a whole
lot of love for guys right now in the defensive
end room, but that's what they are trying.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
But that's what they got.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
That's exactly if the Calvary is not coming in the defense,
care is in the secondary.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Jadavian clowning.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, they're talked about. Hope he comes to it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Listen to me.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
So what did we did? Well, we talked about it. Yeah,
fifteen twenty snaps maybe. Okay, So he did an interview
yesterday and he was talking about he was ready to
play last week and he was hoping they'd put him
in and they told him, no, you need to wait
a week. So went on and on about you know,
(15:43):
how to be ready. So everybody left and I went
up to him and I asked him, I said, have
you ever been in this situation before where you had
to come in and play in a game with only
a week and a half of practice, one padded practice.
He goes absolutely, and I go in. He goes twenty nineteen,
(16:06):
I got traded from the Texans to Seattle. He was
he didn't sign his franchise tag and they finally had
enough and on August thirty first, they traded him to Seattle. Okay,
so he hadn't practiced, no training camp, no off season.
(16:26):
He goes up to Seattle and he tells me. He goes,
you go look it up just like that. I said,
well I will. He said, I played forty six snaps. Wow,
I said you did not. He goes, I played forty
six snaps.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Look it up. That's a odd number. Specific he remembered it.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
So I go get the play by play. I looked
it up. He played forty six snaps, two tackles, one sack,
one quarterback hit, one tackle for a loss, and one
pass defense. And when we finished, he said, this ain't
nothing new to me, just like that, and I'm going, okay,
(17:06):
let's go.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, he has always been known to be special.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
So let's see it. Because they're saying he's trending. He's saying,
I'm playing right now. We'll see if they you know what,
if he can talk him into it. But guess who
was in Seattle in twenty nineteen shot night ah as
the offensive court. Interesting, So maybe he knows a little
bit more than he's lett.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
May he may give him some leeway and give him
some trust.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Or just put his put him out there.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well, I hope he still has that twenty nineteen body
style that was able to play those forty six snaps.
After he got Micah by one team. Speaking of Michaeh.
When we go to our first break here, we're gonna
talk about I got Mickey's other team. We're going to
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Thank you for coming back for Moore Mixed Shots. Mickey Spagnolan,
We got your favorite subject coming up here and it
is Micah Parsons and that defense returning to AT and
T Stadium, and I started to show off talking about
hopelessness and everybody saying that we don't have a snowballs
chance of getting a victory versus the Green Bay Packers.
(21:16):
But Micah is on a defense that quite honestly is
you can look at the next couple of games, fourteen games,
they could be the number one defense in the NFL.
Against Cleveland, which also had a very good defense, and
that was a standoff thirteen to ten, a really good
(21:36):
game as we're talking. As we talked about, but that
defense really presents a ton of pressure. One of the
things that I know defensive coordinators love is when they
can get pressure with just four and this team they
don't have to bring blitzes, but they will bring blitzes.
As you've continued to dive into that dope sheet you
(21:57):
got over there, tell me more, see Mickey about this
defense and just some of the things that you've noticed
so far with the stats that they are going to
break to the table on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Yeah, they do a nice job up front, but they
will blitz their linebackers. Yes, Okay, so they got to
be ready for that, and I'm sure they're going to
try to do some fancy stuff up front since the
Cowboys have to play two backups on the offensive line. Now,
the one thing I did see quite a bit, I
(22:30):
think I mentioned it yesterday is they will if say
Mike is lined up at right defensive end, okay, okay,
the guy that's next to him at defensive tackle, his
first move is to go block the tackle that's on
Micah so that he can release him to get free,
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either go further outside or loop around inside, because then
if the guards double teaming, the center's got to be
pretty aware of something that's coming from way off as peripheral.
I don't know to pick up parsons, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
If it's the uniqueness of his speed and momentum. When
the guy comes and shields off your guy, it gives
you a chance to really get your momentum going as
you go inside. It's inside rush. To me, it's his strength.
That's where he really shows what he can do. He
comes with the rip that always got him in the face,
you know, in the side of the helmet, but he's
(23:29):
always ready to lean in on that stunt. Now this
I wouldn't call it a stunt. I guess you cook
good called a stunt. But when he if someone's going
to shield off his man and that gives him a
chance to have momentum going in to I guess the
guard then going around him, well, Yeah, because there's no
(23:50):
one there. Well, he could he could shake him down,
he could break him down like a basketball movie.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
He can do all of that.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
But when you have that much room between you and
that offender, uh, it gives him a lot of chances
to increase here, crease there, or even just.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Bull rush agains.
Speaker 10 (24:08):
Well.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
A lot of what Cleveland was doing, they were running
right at him.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So do you think that was because of the run.
They were doing that that they the green Bay was
doing that because of the run protecting.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Well, they were doing that in passing.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Situations, so they were catching them. Okay, So basically what
they were doing is catching them out of position when
they were stunting, and that was using the big leaving
a big hole behind.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
But they ran at him and the success and they
neutralized it against the run, yeah, seventy nine. I didn't
look up the tackle. I think it was their left tackle.
I want to say against the run, he was no
factor and there were times where they take him out
of the game.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
So that that green Bay defense, of course, they played.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
But the rest of them to win that they got
two They got two sacks in the game. Both were
Gary's right. So you just gotta keep them occupied by
running the football well or efficiently. You don't have to
run it a lot, just and we've been good at that,
and as long as they hold onto the ball at
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the end of the run.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And guys, we've talked about the opportunity that George Pickens has,
and I think a lot of people were so high
up on George Pickens when he first came over, because
when last season all you had was CD and the Maybies,
you know, hopefully a guy would come on and so
that next man mentality that we're talking about, we're seeing
that front and center. But there are other guys that
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are going to have to replace the production of George
Pickens as a number two wide receiver. Who's gonna be
that amongst the Jalen Toberts, the Flinoise and the Turpins.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Gotta be that's your only three choices.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
It's gotta be back committing. It has to be back
committed they have.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
You know, I don't know which one I would rather
have as the number two, but I think Terpin is
definitely someone that if yoused properly, he could really take
the top off of this thing. If they just I
would have to give him a try, I would go,
I would at least give him two tries for a
(26:20):
deep touchdown. They just run a straight nine from the
slot and let me see what you got.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Why didn't neither one of you guys say correct me
and say, Jake Ferguson, Well, I mean it was a setup. Question.
Jake Ferguson's next, Jake Ferguson. As far as the stats
are concerned, As far as the numbers, he's number one
amongst tight ends right now. As far as receptions is that.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Thirteen catches last week.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
For what fifty yards?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
More than more than? Maybe it was? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
More than Wait I was joking, is it sixty?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Come on man, yeah, wait wait, and you're telling me.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well, I'm asking, I'm asking now you have seemingly yeah,
you're gonna need skill. Come on, eighty two. He had
eighty two. But none of you even said, like to
even think that the slack could be made up by
your tight end who had thirteen catches.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
I just haven't see them using him effectively. If they
want to change how they use him, then that's fine.
Are we still going to have to keep him in
for protection and then leak out? Because if you do
that then of course he has no room to get downfield.
And the pressure. This is how they play the Cowboys.
When you're sitting down on routes and we're not trying
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to take that top off down the field, you're going
to have not just pressure. That means the second level
of your defense, they're not going to be back here.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
They're going to be right here supporting their front line.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
And that means that Ferguson will always have somebody looking
right at him when he leaks out.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
See that.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
That's what happened in the Chicago game. There was somebody
on the entire time. He couldn't break tackles. That's not
his I mean I wish he could break some tackles.
But those guys they played, they get paid as well.
And that there was no yak at all.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Well, he was the relief guy of course, right just dumping,
but after protecting right, which is you know we needed that,
we needed that. And here's the deal for him to
be as effective as we've seen him, Like on that
same pass, your outside guys have to occupy some defenders, right,
and the guy in the slot's got to take another corner.
(28:25):
So maybe he's on a linebacker and the safety's got to.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Hover over right right, that's usually way.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
But if if they think, like we're thinking, okay, Pickens
is the guy, well, what are they going to do?
Dublin double them right, So the guy on the other
side has got to produce. The guy on the other
side has to attract some eyeballs. So the middle of
the field opens up. Now in there, if they're in
(28:52):
two tight ends, you're in two wide receivers. Right, Well,
can Tolbert FILNOI do something on the outside out? It
would be neat if they had Mingo available and he's
at the soonest next week, right, he's got one more year.
Why do you because he's available.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I'se he's big.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
He's big, and he's fast, and he's strong and and
he's the guy that was going to be I think
he might have outplayed Tolbird in training camp. Really, I
thought he had a good training uh and he was
a target down the field. But again, he's not available.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
But here's a here's a Tolbert because.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Turping on the outside, they'll just back up, but he
can carve him in the middle. If the linebackers are.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Okeay, well that's what they did. On the crossing route, right,
And that was all the time they knew that someone's
going to be over the top looking at him, and
he actually beat two guys coming across the middle.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
So they're going to have to be creative to to
keep this passing game going. It's not going to be
just okay, throw it to George Pickens because they thinking
they're gonna throw it to George Pickings, So.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
So faith his I guess My question is is do
you view George Pickens before George Pickens got here? Did
you view him as a number one wide received? Yes?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
I did so, And when he got here, I viewed
him as a number one right.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yes, okay, and so same here away from the Dallas Cowboys,
the rest of the NFL. Most number one wide receivers
in the league draw a double team. Correct, So this
shouldn't be He's not in foreign territory according to what
we know about number one wide receivers. So how does
your game plan change because he's now? It should now,
(30:35):
I'm what I'm saying. I'mplying is your game plan shouldn't
change because now he's the number one wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Well, I mean it should change because now you have
you had two number one true, Now you only have
one number one absolutely and now who number double team?
Now who do you double team? If you if CDs
I'm not I'm not saying now. But before CD got hurt,
you had you had to pick your poison on which
one you go double team?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And think about it. There's only two teams in the
NFL that have a one A one B wide receiver.
And I would say that's Detroit and Cincinnati. I was
gonna say, right, And so those that'll give you to
make you think, Okay, who's the double team gonna go to?
All right, But in this case, I guess before ced
Lamb was hurt, you it was a picky poison kind
of situation. But now, even though that changes with the injury,
(31:22):
the double team is gonna go to George Pickings. But
still George Pickens is in a situation with us where
he has to prove his worth.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Right now, Well, you've got to scheme something to defeat
the double team. Like the guy that's doubling. You've got
to do something to.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Get you got to rub routes, all rub routes, blaunch routes,
all of that. There's really there's ways to do it,
if that's what you want to do. I never see
the Cowboys doing that. I have never seen them try
to create space with combination.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Routes and like run into the Yes.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Yeah, I've never seen the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Now, let me give you an example. So in that
nineteen ninety two NFC title game against San Francisco, San
Francisco decided they were gonna double Michael Irvin and single
Alvin Harper. Okay, Michael Irvin repeatedly beat the double. They
changed at halftime. It was like, okay, we're not doubling
(32:20):
him anymore. Dion get over there and cover it. Because
Dion started off on Elvin Harper right, and they said, okay, Dion,
you got him. We're not doubles that.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Day.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
And then Michael showed Dion what he could do. It
wasn't like okay for fans call that's right, they're coming
back and win the game, right, yeah, man, because when
they started the game off, I'll never forget.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I've never seen look so tired. I've never seen him.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
They started the game off. First play, Dion's on Harper
line of scrimmage and he basically slapped his knee right
like I'm with you. You know, you getting off right, It's like, okay, fine,
but your double's not working on Michael Irvin. So they
put him over there, and Michael Irvin wore him out,
and we.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Might want to call Mike and see if he has
any eligibility because the truth is, Mickey, how unfair to
start an argument with Hall of Fame wide receiver Michael
Irvin and a double team.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Using that as an example. How we can we Mickey?
I love going down I talking.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
About a barnas Hey, George ways.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
To George of the Lucky Room and say George will
tell you ninety two, and he would say I can
do it? Yeah he should, right, yeah he should.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I love his confidence.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Now this is this is a young man that obviously
before he got here was in flux with Pittsburgh, but
needed to prove himself as he as a number one
wide receiver. He's the numbers are there for sure.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Right the touchdown he's done extremely well, Yeah, I mean
he's done it.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
He can't. He's come in with a reputation and I think, man,
look this game to me. In the next couple of
games that ceedee Lamb is out. If he's a guy
that could carry the weight for you in that passing game.
And guys like Jalen Tobert Interpin because they have the
more advantageous matchup. You know, they have the third and
(34:22):
fourth guy on them that they could absolutely take advantage
of their matchup and be productive in the passag.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Yeah, they could, but they're third and fourth guys. I mean,
so you know what kind of confidence do they have
in themselves? And that's what you look at when I
like what I like about Pickens versus the double team CDs.
His expertise to me is getting open and you know
he loves to body catch, and I don't mean unnecessarily
he's in he makes he puts himself in the position
(34:50):
to where Dak can put that thing right there and
he can catch it like this or like that.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And he's gone.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Pickens, I think against the double team he's more effective,
first of all, with his win span is stronger and
his catching ability is strong. I think you could have
two guys on him and that's you know, fifty to
fifty balls. We've seen it, and he's gonna he can
out catch two guys going for the ball. He can
(35:16):
do that, I think on the consistent basis as long
as he puts himself in position to do that.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I don't want him to have.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
To be covered like CD was on that great pass
and catch that he and Dak had.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I don't want to have to be covered back and forth.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I want him to be in front of both guys
because he can body them out with his size and
with his wingspan.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
So can you guys name the packers corners?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I cannot. I'm a cheat because I have that too
deep in front of me.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
But I had to pick up the dope sheet speaking
of dope right right. He couldn't wait any longer.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
He looks good though.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
It will help me out with the pronunciation. That one
guy's first name Shot Nixon.
Speaker 11 (36:02):
That's Keyshan it is. It's a two time pro bowler.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
All right. And Nate Hollips.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
That's the two coins.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Those are the two coins.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Which one is the is Keyshan? What numbers keysh.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Oh kishaw Nixon is his full Yes, twenty five. I
lost that page. Well, Bill is back and we're gonna
take our break and we're going to bring him up
to speed on what's going on here on mix shots.
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Speaker 11 (39:04):
So what you got going on the rally days?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I did my rally day.
Speaker 11 (39:09):
Okay, you just get one a year.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Man.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Unfortunately, unfortunately he's going to the Packers rally. Yeah, I'm
going to maybe there's money, No, there is chicken and
pickle grapevine? Really yeah, Packers rally.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
See that goes. He's undercovered, undercovered, under covered. Growing up
a Packer fan, and you were.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Sometimes you grow.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Out of things.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
You know, this guy lived in Chicago, grew up in
Chicago and is a Packers fan. Do you know how
much arguation? Do you know how much arguing Mickey Spagnola
is done in his life? The Packers fed.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
The Packers won five championships in Chicago, A different thing.
If you fans couldn't say a thing. They won five
WANs a lot.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, it's like being a Philly fan in Dallas.
Speaker 10 (40:05):
Yeah, okay, get me up to speed on once transpired.
The first forty minutes of this show.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Well we got two schools of thought here. I was
saying that, you know, maybe the players are no good,
and ever since is saying maybe the philosophy is no good?
Speaker 3 (40:20):
And wait wait, how did you say it?
Speaker 12 (40:22):
No?
Speaker 5 (40:22):
No, no, no, okay, and I said their eyes were
no good.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Mickey said their eyes, which is what the coach said.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Wait, he had that backed up.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
So secondary iber Fus kept talking about I discipline.
Speaker 11 (40:37):
Okay, I'm here to bring you hope, hope for a
new tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Keep hoping.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Go back to the nineteen no.
Speaker 12 (40:44):
No.
Speaker 11 (40:44):
I watched the coaches film.
Speaker 10 (40:46):
They're all twenty two of the Packers offense, and we
talk a lot about the injury issues that the Cowboys
have on the offensive line. Of course with CD, but
if you look at what the Packers are dealing with
right now, you can make a great case that there
have more issues on their offensive line with injuries than
(41:07):
what the Cowboys do right now. Tell me what I
got to do is go look at that Cleveland game
and yeah, Cleveland's got a really good defense. Yes, okay,
And so I had just shoked it up to Cleveland's
got a really good defense until I went and watched
the film and I saw that Zach Tom the right
tackle for the Packers. You know, I mean plays he
played in that game. He did start the game and
(41:29):
on the first play of the game, he was lined
up against Miles Garrett, who bull rushed him, and he
came out of the game after one play.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
He got it.
Speaker 11 (41:37):
He got one play of Miles Garrett and yeah, never
to return. And he had he did not practice yesterday, right, Nope,
I got the injury bleak there.
Speaker 10 (41:46):
He's got an oblique injury and he had already was
dealing with him. He had missed the previous game. And
so it took one play, one one bull rush from
Miles Garrett, and that oblique injury that he had kept
him out of us It sent him out of the
Cleveland game too.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
So it was like the old DeMarcus ware female.
Speaker 10 (42:06):
Yes, So they replaced Zach tom with Jordan Morgan number
seventy seven, who was their first round draft pick last
year out of Arizona. Okay, Now, he did not get
on the field much last year, one hundred and eighty
six snaps for the Packers, even despite the fact he
was their first round draft pick taken just prior to
(42:29):
when Tyler Geiton was taken. He was the twenty fifth
overall pick. Jordan Morgan was okay, and he six games,
one start, So he gets thrown into the mix and
you could tell right off the bat. It didn't take long.
Speaker 11 (42:42):
Cleveland took advantage of him at right tackle.
Speaker 10 (42:44):
Okay, So then about well it was thirty snaps into
the game, the Packers lose their left guard, Aaron Banks,
who they signed as a free agent from San Francisco,
gave him four years, seventy seven million dollar. They lose
him to a groin injury. So now Jordan Morgan seventy
(43:04):
seven moves to left guard, and here comes their second
round pick this year out of North Carolina State, Anthony Belton,
into the game to play right tackle.
Speaker 11 (43:17):
And what was the injury?
Speaker 10 (43:19):
The practice report on Aaron Banks from yesterday, did he
groin injury? Did not practice, So that's something to keep
an eye on for Sunday night. Left guard and right tackle.
And when they moved Morgan to left guard, the Browns
took advantage of that, and they took advantage of Belton
at right tackle as well.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
So that also contributed to the lack of output.
Speaker 10 (43:43):
So when you look at why the Packers only scored
ten points in that game against Cleveland, it had a
lot to do with Cleveland's defense, but it had probably
had just as much to do with the injury issues
they have on their offensive line, which they.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
May have this week too, So we're going to go
with the misery loves company. Yeah, that's gonna be our
game plan. We loves company.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
The confidence level that the Cowboys could take advantage defensively.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
And I'm sure they're being told that. I mean, here,
we have a chance now. Having said that, you had
an offensive line against from the New York Giants and
Chicago Bears. Yeah, but I thought the Giants was worse
back they I mean, they were in disarray and yet
they scored what forty points.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
On us Packers only through for a gross one hundred
and eighty three.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
How many times the love gets sacked? Did he get sacked?
Speaker 10 (44:33):
He got sacked five times? Oh wow, he got sacked
five times. And it was a product of the new guys.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
On their own.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Miles Garrett got sense the Pro Bowl in this game
so well.
Speaker 10 (44:44):
Faith Offenberg actually tweeted out a picture with the some
of the All twenty two he was looking at. It
was hilarious because the Packers had three guys blocking Garrett.
Speaker 11 (44:57):
So that may be a fact too.
Speaker 10 (44:59):
They're literally three guys locked on Garrett on the left
side of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Anyway, they know when they know when they were compromised
and back.
Speaker 10 (45:09):
And I just take Brian Schottenneimers show and you take anything. Well,
he expects the Packers to run the football. And that's
probably without saying it, that's probably probably one of the
reasons they need to settle things down on their offensive line,
so they need to establish the run. Jacobs had thirty yards.
Josh Jacobs had thirty yards on sixteen carries.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah, I didn't think he was.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, he did a lot out of the backfield in
the pass.
Speaker 10 (45:35):
Bro five catches for forty four yards last week. But
so anyway, and and the Cowboys will be running the football.
You know the cow did you see the Cowboys are
second in the league and yards per carry?
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Not surprised at all? Seven yards of carry. Yes, and
start off running the ball in the second.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Half, Well, they did.
Speaker 10 (45:56):
They started off running the ball in the second No,
they it was five or six plays. They got to
midfield and then it was a second and five at
the forty five, the plus forty five, and they dropped
back to pass and here comes somebody around the gutting
on the left side, and they were also rushing up
the middle ten yard loss.
Speaker 11 (46:15):
It wasn't just a sack.
Speaker 10 (46:17):
It was a ten yard sack, and now you're throwing
it on third and fifteen, and I still say that
was the biggest play.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Of the game. And then you completely abandon the run after.
Speaker 10 (46:27):
Well because you had a nineteen play drive that made
it a seventeen point lead that you gave up.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
And now it was.
Speaker 11 (46:36):
Literally the fourth quarter now and you had to throw it.
It had to go tempo and throw it at that point.
Speaker 5 (46:41):
So I mean they started going no huddle too, right,
I remember.
Speaker 10 (46:46):
That's right, yeah, because it now becomes you're not going
to have enough possessions unless you do this thing fast.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
And I think it's a philosophy thing. I mean, you
watch enough football. You see guys even when they're behind,
still running the ball and keeping team. I mean you
talk about the average of Carrie. That's something that benefits
the Cowboys greatly. And it keeps that defensive end off
of guiding in this game right here, even if you
get behind, you're gonna have to continue to run the ball.
Speaker 10 (47:12):
That's what and that's what Sean Nimber was doing in
last week's game. And then one play you get sacked,
you try to throw downfield. One time you get sacked,
and now you're third and fifteen and what are you
gonna You're gonna run on third and fifteen And.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
They did not get the ball back until nine.
Speaker 10 (47:29):
Seconds nine seconds left in the third quarter. Quarter, right,
the drive, that's where it's complimentary football.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Well, I guess we did mention that they got the
ball to start the third quarter, right, yeah, right.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
That's what we talked about, that they had the sack
and that ended that drive because they started the third
quarter with Williams.
Speaker 11 (47:46):
With a nine yard run that was his last carry
of the game.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
Threw an out to Williams.
Speaker 11 (47:51):
First down, Sanders.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
Was Sanders came in six, Sanders five, and then they
had a down and then Sanders five and they went deep.
So when they got the ball back in the fourth quarter,
it was no huddle.
Speaker 10 (48:09):
All of that gives me hope for Sunday night. Nobody
said I'm the eternal optimist. I have hope for Sunday night.
And I can't wait to hear what my pick is
going to be.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
I can't wait.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
You on the lip, Well, I'm gonna try and look
up some former scores here.
Speaker 11 (48:26):
Well, you look that up, back to mail it.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
Unfortunately for Bill, the Cowboys have lost nine of the
last ten games to the Packers.
Speaker 11 (48:35):
There's one game in twenty sixteen, Yes there is.
Speaker 10 (48:39):
Riscott led the victory on the road at Lambo and
he had to score thirty points.
Speaker 12 (48:44):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Can it be done again?
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Nothing has changed? All right?
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Does it?
Speaker 11 (48:48):
For mix shots for a Thursday?
Speaker 10 (48:51):
And it's fight Song Friday tomorrow Here on mix Shots,
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Speaker 1 (48:56):
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