November 10, 2024 • 13 mins
Steelers' Historian Bob Labriola sits down with Head Coach Mike Tomlin ahead of the Steelers week 10 matchup against the Washington Commanders
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He's the Mike Tomlin Gaing Day podcast with Steelers Digest
editor Bob Labriola.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Okay coach. Last Tuesday at the trading deadline, you added
wide receiver Mike Williams and outside linebacker Preston Smith. Understanding
that both of those guys are new to the Steelers,
but not new to the NFL or either of the
positions they play easier to learn quickly to be able
to contribute to a new team within a week.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You know, I think both of those positions, if you
compare them globally to all positions, both of those positions
are ones that would be more inclined to be ready.
You know, the global language is similar probably in both positions,
and just the significant component of what they do pass
rushers and passing circumstances. Receivers in one dimensional pass and circumstances,
(00:50):
they don't have to get ready for the totality of
the playbook, but areas of a game where their special
their special skills are heightened those situational moments, they'll be
ready to rock and roll.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
What do you like about each guy? Let's start with
Mike Williams.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
You know, I'm familiar with the men first and foremost,
we're all are familiar with their bodies of work, their resumes.
President's got, you know, sixty eight and a half career sacks,
and you know, Mike's been a big play guy since
he's been in the league, making combat catches down the
field one on one. But equally as important to us
man is the is the intangible component. Both guys are
(01:26):
really good teammates. Both guys have a really good relationship
with the game, the students of the game. You see
football intellecting their play, and I think that's just as
important as their talent and their resumes.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Have you found that NFL teams are now more willing
to make trades close to the deadline than they were
when you first became a head coach.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
No question, And but a lot of things have teed
that up. You know, this trade deadline has moved back
a little bit, and you know, I think I think
it's been incentivized globally in terms of how we approach
our business. And so I definitely think there's more activity.
But sometimes, you know, there's more reporting of activity too.
You know, some of the things that went on behind
(02:07):
the scenes years ago was not reported in any phone
call or potential interaction in today's market is reported, and
so there is an uptick in activity, but probably not
as significant as it appears. It's probably just a significant
uptick in the reporting of potential activity.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You use the word incentivized. How is it incentivized, you know, just.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Moving the date around, just the willingness to move the date.
And obviously it's important to be open to that because
we've you know, essentially added games and so forth to
the to the year. But moving the date back obviously
incentivises that man and gives people an opportunity to think
critically about what it is they might need down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Since you became the Steelers coach in two thousand and seven,
your record after the buye is thirteen and four. Why
do you think you had that kind of success in
those situations?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You know, I don't overthink to buy. I try to
do what's appropriate not only for the collective, but for
individuals within the collective. If someone is young and developing
and needs physical repetitions, then I provide that. If someone
is experienced man in need and need rest, I provide that,
if someone is ailing and needs rehabilitation, I provide that
(03:25):
I just think I go into it with a multi
pronged approach and an effort to give the individuals within
the collective what it is they need to make it
a productive week, and thus I think it positions us
to be productive collectively coming out of it.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
In the NFL, what does good run defense look like
and what kind of statistics are acceptable in terms of
yards per carry allowed, total rushing yards in a game allowed.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You know, I think it is not allowing people to
run in those moments man, where run is significant, you know,
short yardage, red zone run defense, you know, four minute football,
things of that nature, those moments where where run is
prevalent and significant in terms of how a game unfolds,
I think that really defines a group. Obviously surface level,
(04:13):
you can talk about the yards giving up per game,
but the situational component of it week in and week out. Man,
different people have different agendas. Some people are going to
throw the ball fifty five times, and you can lead
yourself to believe you got a good run defense because
they threw the ball sixty times, and it just really
it wasn't tested. And so for me, it's not about
(04:34):
the volume component of it or not necessarily necessarily the
number yards per game. But somebody that's in it and
lives it. I gotta look at the tape. I gotta
look at the moments. It's the ability to turn it
back when when it's thickest. I think this defined its
significant groups in that area.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
One of the elements of good run defense is said
that when the defensive players have good run fits, what
are run f.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Being where you're supposed to be? You know, you have
seven man boxes, you have eight man boxes. Usually it's
sufficient enough people for each gap, And to me, it's
about guys being in those gaps, whatever the schematics prescribed. Oftentimes,
when you're in single high defenses, we call it one
(05:21):
gap football because we have an appropriate number of people
in the box to accommodate all the potential offensive gaps.
And really a run doesn't break out under those circumstances
unless there's negligence. But sometimes that negligence is just good
execution by the opponent. Neither here nor there. The bottom
line is when you got one safety in the middle
of the field, like minking in the middle of the field,
(05:42):
in most circumstances, you got enough people allocated in the
box to minimize running game and in those instances you
want four yards or less.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So when your defenders are in the gaps, are they
attacking through those gaps or are they waiting to see
what happens and react to that.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know, there's a lot of complexities to that question
because you're not giving me the offensive schematics. Sometimes it's
gap scheme plays where they're pulling people and your gap moves.
Sometimes it's zone scheme plays where they don't move and
the offense is working in concert. And in those instances, boy,
you better move and move quickly. You move too quickly
in a gap scheme principal where somebody's pulling, you're not
(06:22):
gonna move with your gap. And so I don't know
that we can have that conversation sufficiently without talking about
the offensive schematic component of it, because it gets complex.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Okay, Washington's opponents have forty one kickoff returns so far
this season, and for comparison's sake, your team has returned
seven kickoffs and your opponents have returned fourteen. Is that
something your special teams might be able to exploit today?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
You know, we're definitively going to be given an opportunity
based on their personality, But oftentimes personalities of the unit
reflect their leader. Special Teams coordinator for the Commanders is
Larry Izzo, and anybody that's been around ball a significant
amount of time, they realize the type of player Larry
Iiso was as a special teamer, and he was an aggressive, productive,
(07:15):
combative player, And I think the fact that they're kicking
and covering kind of reflects his demeanor and and what
he was as a player.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Is there a best way yet to return kickoffs under
the new rules?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know, I think more than anything, may you try
to go across the field. There's potential for negativity. I
think the most significant returns I've seen the and I've
seen all the significant returns. I watch every kick return
every week that crosses the fifty just for information because
it's so new. The vast majority of the ones that
come back across the fifty, they're being returned where right
(07:50):
where they're kicked. If the ball is kicked on the boundary,
they come up the boundary, If the ball kicked in
the middle of the field, they come up the middle
of the field, and so forth. And I just think
that that's reflect of because this concept is so new.
If you try to come if you're trying to run
across time zones. As we say, the potential of miss
blocks and lack of execution is pretty high, and the
(08:12):
chances you're getting a big one under those circumstances don't
appear to be very great at this juncture.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Quarterback jad And Daniels is Washington's number two rush around
the season. He has eighty two carries for four hundred
and fifty nine yards, that's a five point six average
and four touchdowns. What kind of design quarterback runs do
the commanders employ for him?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Just the standard ones, zone reads, zone read keeps, quarterback sweeps,
and situational moments. I don't know that they're doing anything
schematically different or unique, but obviously his talents are and
they've been very fundamental in making sure that they're prouding
(08:55):
about utilizing it. You'll see him running the ball in
the tight red zone, as you mentioned, and that's why
he's got four rushing touchdowns. That's why they have fifteen
as a collective, they're number one in the league and
rushing touchdowns because if you have to account for the
potential of him carrying it, then that thends out that box,
that we were talking about earlier, and so not only
is he a weapon when he's carrying it, but he's
(09:17):
also a weapon when he's not carrying it because of
his you know, his playfakes and his follow through and
that's a component of their red zone running game or
shortyard is running game that really makes them effective in
those moments. They lead the league in red zone rushing touchdowns.
I mentioned, they also lead the league in fourth down
conversion rates, they're eleven of eleven. Because his mobility and
(09:37):
the potential of his mobility THENDS out defenses in those
moments as well.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
What kind of protections if any is a quarterback entitle
to by rule on designed running plays.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know, they don't get any protection that any other
ball carrier doesn't get it in those moments. And that's
something that obviously we're aware of and a component of
the game that we work and work continually, but we
have a lot of experience at it. We got quarterback
mobility in our division, and so it's less irregular for us.
It's just more the same for us, and so we
(10:10):
respect the mesh point that's associated with zone reads and
things of that nature. We understand the rules, what we're
allowed to do, and so we're going to proceed in
a very aggressive manner because that's our mode of operation.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
The Commanders have only three turnovers in nine games. How
have they managed that?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
You know, they've been very good with the ball, and
Daniels himself specifically has been very good with the ball.
But sometimes you know, stats like that just reflect fortune.
They've fumbled eleven times, I think on the season, and
I think that you know, that's number two in the
league in terms of offensive units, but I think they've
only lost one. And so the ball has been on
(10:50):
the ground eleven times, but the defense is not getting it.
And so we acknowledge that their turnover rate is excellent
and we respect it, but we also realize that there
could be opportunities for us, and we could create opportunities
for ourselves. But a component of maximizing that is finishing
it off, getting the loose balls that are on the ground.
And we've been there before. We had a ball on
(11:11):
the ground versus the Dallas Cowboys in a very significant moment,
and Dak Prescott beat us to it and it was
the difference in the game. And so there's a lot
of layers to the ball security of the ball search discussion.
We recognize we've got a big challenge this week, and
I'm excited about watching our guys meet it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
What do you expect from a dan Quinn defense.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I expect him to be fundamentally sound. He's a fundamentalist,
meaning he's not about a big menu. He's about execution.
The things that they're gonna call against us, it won't
surprise us. It's who they are. But they'll play hard,
they'll be coordinated, they'll communicate well, there won't be people
out of place, they won't beat themselves. They'll do fundamental
(11:52):
things like ball search. Because when you are a fundamentalist,
you're not spending a whole lot of time installing and
walking through and making sure that you're ready to go.
You spend time in skilled development. And obviously I'm talking
in great detail because Dan and I go way back.
Man we were very young coaches working together at VMI
(12:14):
in nineteen ninety five. Man and I got a lot
of respect for him. I know his values. I share
a lot of his values, and that is exactly what
you should expect from a dan Quinn defense.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Cliff Kingsbury had a somewhat storied career as a college quarterback.
Do you think that background had any impact on the
kind of offense he now coordinates in Washington.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
No question. You know you see a lot of You
see a lot of things that are reflective of that.
The pace component of college football is and has been
for a long time, a significant component of play and strategy,
less so in the NFL. As often you can turn
on a college tape and see a hundred snaps offensive
(12:56):
snaps in a football game. That's why they have the
big cards up on the sidelines and things of that nature.
It's about pace for them, and so you'll feel a
lot of pace usage as a weapon this week in
his approach to ball, and I think that's the number
one way. Number two obviously, design quarterback runs is more
(13:17):
prevalent in college football, and it's more prevalent in his
offenses than there is in most offenses. That's why he's
always attracted to quarterback mobility. If you think about his
quarterbacks Daniels and then Kyler Murray out in Arizona, quarterback
mobility has to be a function of what the quarterback
(13:39):
does to be most effective within his system.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That's the Mike Tomlin game day podcast, Subscribe and download
new episodes every week, and check out all of the
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Network that's available on the Steelers Mobile app, the iHeartRadio app,
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He's the Mike Tomlin Gaing Day podcast with Steelers Digest
editor Bob Labriola.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Okay coach. Last Tuesday at the trading deadline, you added
wide receiver Mike Williams and outside linebacker Preston Smith. Understanding
that both of those guys are new to the Steelers,
but not new to the NFL or either of the
positions they play easier to learn quickly to be able
to contribute to a new team within a week.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You know, I think both of those positions, if you
compare them globally to all positions, both of those positions
are ones that would be more inclined to be ready.
You know, the global language is similar probably in both positions,
and just the significant component of what they do pass
rushers and passing circumstances. Receivers in one dimensional pass and circumstances,
(00:50):
they don't have to get ready for the totality of
the playbook, but areas of a game where their special
their special skills are heightened those situational moments, they'll be
ready to rock and roll.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
What do you like about each guy? Let's start with
Mike Williams.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
You know, I'm familiar with the men first and foremost,
we're all are familiar with their bodies of work, their resumes.
President's got, you know, sixty eight and a half career sacks,
and you know, Mike's been a big play guy since
he's been in the league, making combat catches down the
field one on one. But equally as important to us
man is the is the intangible component. Both guys are
(01:26):
really good teammates. Both guys have a really good relationship
with the game, the students of the game. You see
football intellecting their play, and I think that's just as
important as their talent and their resumes.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Have you found that NFL teams are now more willing
to make trades close to the deadline than they were
when you first became a head coach.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
No question, And but a lot of things have teed
that up. You know, this trade deadline has moved back
a little bit, and you know, I think I think
it's been incentivized globally in terms of how we approach
our business. And so I definitely think there's more activity.
But sometimes, you know, there's more reporting of activity too.
You know, some of the things that went on behind
(02:07):
the scenes years ago was not reported in any phone
call or potential interaction in today's market is reported, and
so there is an uptick in activity, but probably not
as significant as it appears. It's probably just a significant
uptick in the reporting of potential activity.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You use the word incentivized. How is it incentivized, you know, just.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Moving the date around, just the willingness to move the date.
And obviously it's important to be open to that because
we've you know, essentially added games and so forth to
the to the year. But moving the date back obviously
incentivises that man and gives people an opportunity to think
critically about what it is they might need down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Since you became the Steelers coach in two thousand and seven,
your record after the buye is thirteen and four. Why
do you think you had that kind of success in
those situations?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You know, I don't overthink to buy. I try to
do what's appropriate not only for the collective, but for
individuals within the collective. If someone is young and developing
and needs physical repetitions, then I provide that. If someone
is experienced man in need and need rest, I provide that,
if someone is ailing and needs rehabilitation, I provide that
(03:25):
I just think I go into it with a multi
pronged approach and an effort to give the individuals within
the collective what it is they need to make it
a productive week, and thus I think it positions us
to be productive collectively coming out of it.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
In the NFL, what does good run defense look like
and what kind of statistics are acceptable in terms of
yards per carry allowed, total rushing yards in a game allowed.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You know, I think it is not allowing people to
run in those moments man, where run is significant, you know,
short yardage, red zone run defense, you know, four minute football,
things of that nature, those moments where where run is
prevalent and significant in terms of how a game unfolds,
I think that really defines a group. Obviously surface level,
(04:13):
you can talk about the yards giving up per game,
but the situational component of it week in and week out. Man,
different people have different agendas. Some people are going to
throw the ball fifty five times, and you can lead
yourself to believe you got a good run defense because
they threw the ball sixty times, and it just really
it wasn't tested. And so for me, it's not about
(04:34):
the volume component of it or not necessarily necessarily the
number yards per game. But somebody that's in it and
lives it. I gotta look at the tape. I gotta
look at the moments. It's the ability to turn it
back when when it's thickest. I think this defined its
significant groups in that area.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
One of the elements of good run defense is said
that when the defensive players have good run fits, what
are run f.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Being where you're supposed to be? You know, you have
seven man boxes, you have eight man boxes. Usually it's
sufficient enough people for each gap, And to me, it's
about guys being in those gaps, whatever the schematics prescribed. Oftentimes,
when you're in single high defenses, we call it one
(05:21):
gap football because we have an appropriate number of people
in the box to accommodate all the potential offensive gaps.
And really a run doesn't break out under those circumstances
unless there's negligence. But sometimes that negligence is just good
execution by the opponent. Neither here nor there. The bottom
line is when you got one safety in the middle
of the field, like minking in the middle of the field,
(05:42):
in most circumstances, you got enough people allocated in the
box to minimize running game and in those instances you
want four yards or less.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So when your defenders are in the gaps, are they
attacking through those gaps or are they waiting to see
what happens and react to that.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know, there's a lot of complexities to that question
because you're not giving me the offensive schematics. Sometimes it's
gap scheme plays where they're pulling people and your gap moves.
Sometimes it's zone scheme plays where they don't move and
the offense is working in concert. And in those instances, boy,
you better move and move quickly. You move too quickly
in a gap scheme principal where somebody's pulling, you're not
(06:22):
gonna move with your gap. And so I don't know
that we can have that conversation sufficiently without talking about
the offensive schematic component of it, because it gets complex.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Okay, Washington's opponents have forty one kickoff returns so far
this season, and for comparison's sake, your team has returned
seven kickoffs and your opponents have returned fourteen. Is that
something your special teams might be able to exploit today?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
You know, we're definitively going to be given an opportunity
based on their personality, But oftentimes personalities of the unit
reflect their leader. Special Teams coordinator for the Commanders is
Larry Izzo, and anybody that's been around ball a significant
amount of time, they realize the type of player Larry
Iiso was as a special teamer, and he was an aggressive, productive,
(07:15):
combative player, And I think the fact that they're kicking
and covering kind of reflects his demeanor and and what
he was as a player.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Is there a best way yet to return kickoffs under
the new rules?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know, I think more than anything, may you try
to go across the field. There's potential for negativity. I
think the most significant returns I've seen the and I've
seen all the significant returns. I watch every kick return
every week that crosses the fifty just for information because
it's so new. The vast majority of the ones that
come back across the fifty, they're being returned where right
(07:50):
where they're kicked. If the ball is kicked on the boundary,
they come up the boundary, If the ball kicked in
the middle of the field, they come up the middle
of the field, and so forth. And I just think
that that's reflect of because this concept is so new.
If you try to come if you're trying to run
across time zones. As we say, the potential of miss
blocks and lack of execution is pretty high, and the
(08:12):
chances you're getting a big one under those circumstances don't
appear to be very great at this juncture.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Quarterback jad And Daniels is Washington's number two rush around
the season. He has eighty two carries for four hundred
and fifty nine yards, that's a five point six average
and four touchdowns. What kind of design quarterback runs do
the commanders employ for him?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Just the standard ones, zone reads, zone read keeps, quarterback sweeps,
and situational moments. I don't know that they're doing anything
schematically different or unique, but obviously his talents are and
they've been very fundamental in making sure that they're prouding
(08:55):
about utilizing it. You'll see him running the ball in
the tight red zone, as you mentioned, and that's why
he's got four rushing touchdowns. That's why they have fifteen
as a collective, they're number one in the league and
rushing touchdowns because if you have to account for the
potential of him carrying it, then that thends out that box,
that we were talking about earlier, and so not only
is he a weapon when he's carrying it, but he's
(09:17):
also a weapon when he's not carrying it because of
his you know, his playfakes and his follow through and
that's a component of their red zone running game or
shortyard is running game that really makes them effective in
those moments. They lead the league in red zone rushing touchdowns.
I mentioned, they also lead the league in fourth down
conversion rates, they're eleven of eleven. Because his mobility and
(09:37):
the potential of his mobility THENDS out defenses in those
moments as well.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
What kind of protections if any is a quarterback entitle
to by rule on designed running plays.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know, they don't get any protection that any other
ball carrier doesn't get it in those moments. And that's
something that obviously we're aware of and a component of
the game that we work and work continually, but we
have a lot of experience at it. We got quarterback
mobility in our division, and so it's less irregular for us.
It's just more the same for us, and so we
(10:10):
respect the mesh point that's associated with zone reads and
things of that nature. We understand the rules, what we're
allowed to do, and so we're going to proceed in
a very aggressive manner because that's our mode of operation.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
The Commanders have only three turnovers in nine games. How
have they managed that?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
You know, they've been very good with the ball, and
Daniels himself specifically has been very good with the ball.
But sometimes you know, stats like that just reflect fortune.
They've fumbled eleven times, I think on the season, and
I think that you know, that's number two in the
league in terms of offensive units, but I think they've
only lost one. And so the ball has been on
(10:50):
the ground eleven times, but the defense is not getting it.
And so we acknowledge that their turnover rate is excellent
and we respect it, but we also realize that there
could be opportunities for us, and we could create opportunities
for ourselves. But a component of maximizing that is finishing
it off, getting the loose balls that are on the ground.
And we've been there before. We had a ball on
(11:11):
the ground versus the Dallas Cowboys in a very significant moment,
and Dak Prescott beat us to it and it was
the difference in the game. And so there's a lot
of layers to the ball security of the ball search discussion.
We recognize we've got a big challenge this week, and
I'm excited about watching our guys meet it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
What do you expect from a dan Quinn defense.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I expect him to be fundamentally sound. He's a fundamentalist,
meaning he's not about a big menu. He's about execution.
The things that they're gonna call against us, it won't
surprise us. It's who they are. But they'll play hard,
they'll be coordinated, they'll communicate well, there won't be people
out of place, they won't beat themselves. They'll do fundamental
(11:52):
things like ball search. Because when you are a fundamentalist,
you're not spending a whole lot of time installing and
walking through and making sure that you're ready to go.
You spend time in skilled development. And obviously I'm talking
in great detail because Dan and I go way back.
Man we were very young coaches working together at VMI
(12:14):
in nineteen ninety five. Man and I got a lot
of respect for him. I know his values. I share
a lot of his values, and that is exactly what
you should expect from a dan Quinn defense.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Cliff Kingsbury had a somewhat storied career as a college quarterback.
Do you think that background had any impact on the
kind of offense he now coordinates in Washington.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
No question. You know you see a lot of You
see a lot of things that are reflective of that.
The pace component of college football is and has been
for a long time, a significant component of play and strategy,
less so in the NFL. As often you can turn
on a college tape and see a hundred snaps offensive
(12:56):
snaps in a football game. That's why they have the
big cards up on the sidelines and things of that nature.
It's about pace for them, and so you'll feel a
lot of pace usage as a weapon this week in
his approach to ball, and I think that's the number
one way. Number two obviously, design quarterback runs is more
(13:17):
prevalent in college football, and it's more prevalent in his
offenses than there is in most offenses. That's why he's
always attracted to quarterback mobility. If you think about his
quarterbacks Daniels and then Kyler Murray out in Arizona, quarterback
mobility has to be a function of what the quarterback
(13:39):
does to be most effective within his system.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That's the Mike Tomlin game day podcast, Subscribe and download
new episodes every week, and check out all of the
other shows we have to offer on the Steelers Podcast
Network that's available on the Steelers Mobile app, the iHeartRadio app,
or wherever you get your podcasts.
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An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.