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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hello everyone, and welcome to another edition of the NFL
Draft Triple Take, presented by up MC Mike Pursuda along
with Dale Lawley and Matt Williamson. We're getting you ready
for the upcoming NFL Draft, and we're gonna do things
a little bit differently for this edition of the Triple Take.
We've been throwing out some mocks of round one. I
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believe we're up to three of those so far. Yeah,
if I haven't lost count. But today we're gonna do
something a little bit different. Dale is at the controls
of the Pro Football Focus mock simulator, and we're gonna
try to recreate a draft room and we're gonna go
through the first three rounds and put our heads together
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and come up with picks for the Steelers. Now, these
are our picks. It's gonna be our consensus what we decide.
It's not any more of.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
The war room.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
None of us are going to jump on the table.
We might pound on them.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Take my shoe off. There we go, Google of kids.
You know what I'm talking about. Man, I'm sure you
could agree having been in a draft room. This is
very much oh the way it's gonna go down.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Spot on yeah, exactly the process. I do think it's noteworthy.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
We got four picks, so we got twenty fifty, one,
eighty four, and ninety eight. So after some trades and
wheeling deal and they got you know, two third rounders,
we might do a little bit more and who knows. Yeah,
we'll open to trades and listening to offers and all
that kod stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'm eagerly anticipating how this plays out, so I want
to get it started.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Lead us off, all right, So I've already run the
first nineteen picks. The three quarterbacks scale, William Shade and
Daniels Drake may all go one, two, three, JJ McCarthy,
your favorite player goes at six to the Giants. Uh
so we do have four quarterbacks in those top six picks.
That is good news for the Steelers. If you're sitting
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here playing along at home, you want those quarterbacks to
go because the Steelers won't be in the quarterback markets
no more quarterbacks though before our pick here for sure
that I'm just saying. It's an interesting it has been
that it has been that. So right before us at fifteen,
Rock Bauers finally goes to the Colts.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
You have.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Byron Murphy, the defensive lineman from Texas, goes at sixteen
to the Seahawks. Quinyam Mitchell goes at seventeen, cornerback out
of Toledo to Seattle. At eighteen, the Bengals take JC Latham.
If I'm the Steelers and Latham starts to slide that
that far, I might be on the phone with Seattle
and saying, hey, can we do something here to go
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get this guy?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Do we think he is the best right tackle? I do?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I do. I mean, it depends what you're looking for.
I mean, if you just want to run behind a
guy on fourth and one and mash people that he
is the guy. Yeah, I think he's I think he
might be the best tackle, period. To be honest with you,
I mean I think it's a debate.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, I think that's certainly within reason.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Then you look a lot of tackles.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, you look at nineteen. Brian Thomas, the wide receiver
out of LSU, goes to the Rams, putting the Steelers
on the clock. Here some of those top players still available.
Johnny Newton, defensive tackle from Illinois, doesn't really fit the
Steelers defense. He's a little shorter, Cooper Dejene is still
available there, Lady too. Latu is also available. Nate Wiggins,
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Amarius Mims, Cooley mckinstree, Jackson Powers, Johnson Graham Barton.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Well, if you guys were with me for our mock
three point zero and you were, you already know who's
getting my vote here.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, we do have three trade offers, Mike, So let's
take a look at these and see whether we want
to consider those or not. The Arizona Cardinals are on
the phone with pick number twenty seven, that's where their
next pick is at. Then you have Jacksonville pick forty eight,
and the Rams at pick fifty two. I don't think
we want to move out of the first round though.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Guys, I don't think we're going to go that far back. Yeah,
acquire future first and things like that. That doesn't make
for the best video here.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Let's take a look and see what the Cardinals might
be offering us here, though.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Can we come up with five to seven names that
were comfortable with at twenty seven? I think I can.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I think we can.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So they have Arizona's Houston's number twenty seven pick. Obviously
they want to come up and get twenty. If we
want to do that, they're gonna have to kick in
some stuff. They do have pick thirty five. They're probably
not going to.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Give us that.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Uh, but if they they would give us sixty six.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
If we move back to those seven spots, you can
get more than that. I think we can get more
than that. There's a sixty seven percent perchance, a percent
chance that if we made that move we could do that.
Can we get maybe ninety out of them as well?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Probably?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
No, it doesn't look like about to do.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Thinkure third from a team that might not have a
lot of wins next year. I like my future picks.
He's a big future guy. Yeah, that's what he likes
to do.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I'm in the win now mentellity. I hear I say
picked the center.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You guys figure out he might still be there though
he could still him. I got you, I got you.
I like the roll the dice.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
If we go for the future round four pick, we
can get twenty seven sixty six in Arizona's fourth round
pick next year. For twenty there's a fifty percent chance
that gets accepted.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Off for trade.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
They accepted it.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
We're all right. So I mean, we got a lot
of draft capital. I like having draft capital, additional draft
capital next year because if you've paid attention to the
mock drafts and stuff, next year's draft is supposedly much
deeper because all those kids that stayed in college because
of the the COVID rules are all going to flood
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into next year's drafts. And next year's draft could be
ridiculously deep, but.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It's not deeper a tackle or wide receivers probably not
take that bet.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
All right, thosees fell, So the six guys that went
ahead of our picture before in between our picks there,
So Arizona came up to get.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Lost late too.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Okay, it doesn't hurt us.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Tyler Geiiton went at twenty one, Nate Wiggans goes at
twenty two, bow Knicks at twenty three to Minnesota, Amarius
Mims goes at twenty four to the Cowboys, Graham Barton
twenty five to the Packers, Chop Robinson at twenty six
to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
And there's a center from War there guys as as
Cooper Degen.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Though let's take the center for War.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I understand that's with it. Yeah, I'm I with that,
but we we've.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Now had that extra pick floating around that could be
a tackle or something fringe benefit there.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, so do it official Jackson Powers Johnson is the
pick at twenty seven. Now we're back up at fifty one,
and it's this is why that you know you might
want to do a move like that, because you know
you start looking at some of those guys. Zach Frasier,
the other top center in this traft, goes at thirty
nine to Carolina. There's kind of like a no man's
land there between the Steelers first pick and that second
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round pick. Another guy at Kingsley, Sue Mattia at forty one.
Mike Sandastril at forty two. Who's a really good nickel
corner that you might be interested in there if you're
the Steelers. Jordan Morgan, another one of the offensive tackles,
goes as well in that in that no man's land,
that pick forty five, you're guy. Peyton Wilson goes to
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the Bengals at forty nine. I know he's your guy,
Troy Franklin.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
There are guys every draft you got your sure, yeah,
there's one or two that jump out at you. You
just met that Bake Wilson's that guy for me.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
So we're back up here now at fifty one.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I'm not thrilled to Troy Franklin went to pick ahead
of us. No, all the draft capital we had, I
would have loved to get to forty eight or forty
nine and snagged him.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So the guy's still available here, Braden Fisk, Michael Pennix.
It's an interesting players roll. Javon Bullard, Ricky Piarsow, the
wide receiver out of Florida.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Tackles were basically gone at this point.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Dice, Isaac, I think the guys that you would consider
at this at this spot are probably gone. Yale offensive tackle,
the DJ I did never get that one. Blake Fisher
still there, Patrick Paul More third round.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Just guys, it.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Works out this way as pro football focuses, MOUK simulators
suggest it will, I'm gonna go with the receiver from Florida.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, let's take it. Look at the receivers are pretty heavy.
You got Ricky Pierre, Saw, Jermaine Burton, Jalen Polk, Jalen McMillan,
Donte Devontees Walkers On Baker.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Right after we draft him. I'm gonna give him the
phone number of the traveling secretary, and then I'm gonna say, Ricky,
don't lose that number.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, I mean Roman. Roman Wilson is another guy that
would have been interesting there. Out of Michigan he went,
He went at forty eight to Jacksonville. Pennix would be
at this point interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
But not. I don't know that's going to contribute to win.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Now, true quickly, true, But neither one of your quarterbacks
are under contract for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I mean, frankly, I think he's gonna go earlier than this.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I do too.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I think that's kind of cheating.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, And I also think you want to get Justin
Fields and the new guys as many reps as you
possibly can in camp, and you don't want to spread that,
you know, labor around, So I think we pass on Pennix. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I think the receiver is probably the guy who's just
throwing that.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I like Burton from Alabama quite a bit too. Stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, I had back, can't down the scene. Yeah, yeah,
let's not overthink it.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
No, Okay, Ricky Pearsall is the pick. Look back up
again now at sixty six, because we made that trade
earlier and Uh, Well, there's some interesting guys here available
at this pick, including Ruke Aro Hero, the lineman you
can say from Clemson. I think he would fit right
into the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I think he's a fantastic fit to be.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Jaden Hicks is still there, the safety out of Washington State.
Christian Haynes's guard at of Connecticut. We don't really need
a guard at this point. Junior Colson, the linebacker out
of Michigan. Kyrie Jackson the another long corner six foot
three cornerback out of Oregon. Spencer Rattler is there if
we want to go quarterback again there Jalen Wright, uh
the running back out of Tennessee. I. You know, I
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don't know if we overthink this guys. I think Aurora
ro Is.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
He's jumping off a screen to be. But can you
just do a quick corner search?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
If I don't want to neglect the defensive.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Backfield, don't either. Yeah, So you got Kyrie Jackson, Max.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Max Mountain was a name I was interesting. Yeah, I'm
a big fan.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
ANDREI we got we got to pick at eighty four
coming up here. We're not going to get a chance
at that defensive tackle. There's other cornerbacks there on the board.
Phillips out of Kentucky, Bernardo Green out of Florida State,
Jerry and John's at.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
A slot capable guys which they need, and they tend
to fall a little. I would take Aurora ro though
I never try to say that name, but he's long.
He'd learn from Cam. He kind of fits that three
four D N mold and there's not many of them.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I'm happy to address the D line. Yeah, that's your guy, that's.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Your good Auror Hero.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It is okay.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
We're back up now here at eighty four. We have
no trade offers for this eighty fourth pick. Some of
the top guys available. Johnny Wilson, the big wide receiver
out of Florida State.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
He's a lot different than the receiver like six.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Seven power forward Jamari Thrash, the wide receiver out of Louisville.
Malachai Corley another one of those shorter type, but power.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I would take receiver Wilson if we were do a
second receiver, which seems a little ambitions.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I think at this point we want to definitely take
a look at tackles, and we want to take a
look at the cornerbacks. So Ernardo Green is there cornerback
out of Florida State Dominic Pooney, Jerry and Jones DJ.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
James Uh corner pretty hard.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, they got hit pretty pretty darn hard. Tackles are
also drying up there. Matt Gonclave's uh is there from Pitt.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I'd consider Elijah Jones. I'd be Yeah, I think he
fits in well, they'll know a ton about him. He'd
be there slot from day one. He also could play
outside a little bit. Yeah, I think that works well.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Should we take a look at safety just as have a.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Little uh yeah, so he gets I got a couple
of safeties there that have slot capabilities as well, including
Dadrian Taylor Demerson who was Ke Smith.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, just an extreme athlete.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Cool. Bishop is intriguing.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I just don't think it's a need compared to the
I mean, if he's there two picks from or twelve
picks from now, I would consider him.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Shall we roll the dice?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I think you take the BC corner and.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Then hope for the Utah safety.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah. I'm not thrilled with the tackle situation.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, it's it's dried up quickly, all right.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
And again, in a different world, we had so many picks.
We could have maybe trade up five spots to have
to tackle Seem Mataia went like ten picks ahead.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
So Elijah Jones is the pick, takes the ball away.
That's what you want to do there, to play inside it.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
We're out.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
We're up here at ninety eight. Now we do have
a trade back offer. But let's let's take a look here.
Cold Bishop still there.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, he's intriguing.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You still have super athletes some of those safeties are,
you know, Dadrien, Tom Taylor, Demerson, see Ony Backy Tyke Smith,
Cold Bishop.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I'd have been okay with Bishop last pick, though, I'm
certainly okay with him here.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I mean he helps on special teams a ton. You
could play him with the two starters and big Nickel
a lot early in his career.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I mean, he's are you guys, did you tell guys
you pretty much know what you're getting?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, I yes, Yeah, it's been like a really good
from that program on defense. It's a great point.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, And I think there's still one tackle out there
that I would have my eye on here. When the
Steelers roll around the pick with their next pick, that
will be Jones from Texas.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, there's a couple of projects too. Yeah, they're interested
in probably a year.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Away, all right.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Cole Bishop is the pick. So we came out of
this then heavy on the defensive side of things after
the young Rose couple of Yeah, after the first we
got Jackson Powers Johnson at pick twenty seven. Remember we
traded down, giving up twenty twenty for pick twenty seven,
pick sixty six and next year's fourth round pick from
the Cardinals, which could be pretty good.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
You would think Powers Johnson's a plug and play starter
from first daycamp. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You got Ricky Piersoll secid receiver.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Second day camp.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, yeah, wide receiver Ricky Pearsall out of Florida at
pick fifty one. Then we picked at sixty six Rooke
Aro Hero at a Clemson the defensive lineman. You have
to get used to spelling that one, Mike. If we
do that, Elijah Jones at pick eighty four, the cornerback
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out of Boston College, and then came back with another
defensive back at picked ninety eight in Cole Bishop out
of Utah.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I think that just completes your secondary. Yeah, and same
with the deal a number of years. Yeah, yeah, you
could be set there for a while.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, I like the way that worked out. That's a
nice start. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Absolutely, get some plug and play guys, get some guys
on some premium picks on offense and then defensive depth,
and guys who maybe help you out at some point
this year as well.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
And this time next year. I'd be pretty happy with
that fourth round pick from Arizona too.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Sounds like we got to figure it out. Well, see
what happens when we get to the real thing in
a couple of weeks. But that is going to do
it for us for now. I want to remind everybody
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