March 30, 2025 • 16 mins
Mike, Dale, and Matt hit the draft simulator to cook up a three round mock draft
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hello everyone, and welcome to another edition of Triple Take,
brought to you by up MC Mike Pursuda, joined as
always on these programs by Dale Lawley and Matt Williamson.
Matt and Dale are your drive tag team on SNR.
You can also catch their work on the Steelers Audio
(00:29):
Network and Steelers dot com. You can find me on
the Steelers Audio Network and Steelers dot com. But we're
here today for a specific purpose, not just to talk
about the draft, which we have been doing for a
while now, but this is our three round for a
into the draft. We're not gonna pick the entire league,
but we are gonna go three rounds with the Steelers
(00:51):
and Dale. Right now, there are only two picks for
the Steelers in the first three rounds.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
But we can change that, can't We.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Can make something happen there. And we still have k
Metcalf in our back pocket here.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
But you know, when you forget, we have DK Metcalf RT.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, the only have the two draft picks right now.
We could change that and you still got DK Metcalf.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I'm guessing that a change is going to be forthcoming.
But before we get to the festivities, I want to
remind everyone the opinions that we are about to express
and the actions we are about to take are ours,
not those of the Pittsburgh Steelers. So keep that in
mind as you delve into what you are about to receive.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Let's get that trade done, Dale, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So we're running a little handy dandy simulator here, draft simulator,
and the first twenty picks are in. So we're on
the clock and we have six trade offers.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Guys, okay the best.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So you got teams that are interested Houston at twenty five,
Detroit at twenty eight, Washington at twenty nine, and then
three teams that are in the second round. I'm not
necessarily interested in trading out of the first round.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
But we are interested in getting into second round.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I would like that. And so you got swing it.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, yeah, If you get the Detections at twenty five,
the Lions at twenty eight, and the Commander's at twenty nine,
it's just a matter of how far do we want
to move back and still think that we can get
a player that we like here.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So we have options wise, man, Yes, never move back
and trade.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Away from a player you'd want. They're we can move
multiple players yes, there's a lot of to be Okay,
so what we would like to do.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
We could talk to Houston first.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Houston has picked twenty five, fifty eight, seventy nine and
eighty nine, and.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
They made that Tounsil trade. They got all kinds of.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Feah, they've got firepower to come up. So we're obviously
going to offer twenty one. They would obviously offer twenty five.
Can we get fifty eight from them?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
No, we are saying that.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
They are saying no, I'd be interested in moving next
year's third because the Steelers right now are set up
really really well with picks next year.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Is that something they might be very interested in in theory?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
In theory, they would they would accept twenty five and
fifty or twenty five and seventy nine for twenty one.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Seventy nine is not in the set.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That's a that's a there, I guess they're normal or no,
they get that. That's the pick they.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Got from some probably from Washington through Miami.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Okay, so it's basically be Miami's third round pick. So
we'd have two third round picks.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
And move back four spots and then move back four.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Spots and still probably get a player that.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Do we not have a second round option.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
We can try and say, what if we traded with Detroit.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So if we do it, we do a deal with
the Detroit.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Detroit's got twenty eight and sixty, we.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Might be able to get them to do that.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Should I offer that offer that because.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
If I offer it and they take it, it's done.
They did not take that off as well.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
If we sprinkle in a late round pick, throw a
six or a fifth or something their way.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
But throw in the our pick at one eighty five,
they accepted that. Okay, So what we ended up ving
toil twenty one and one eighty five for twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Eight and sixty.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Okay, Well they moved back seven spots. Yeah, there was
a handful of names I liked.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
When you read them off.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Says the players, it just went. We lost out on
a chance to get Walter Nolan.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
He let me, he's off the board. That was my
favorite target, Ye'll be honest.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Amar and Hampton went to the Baltimore Ravens at twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Sounds very ravenish. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
So now we're looking here, we're at twenty eight and
Derek Harmon is still there. Kay, Malachi Starks still there
which is kind of surprising. Luther burd and James Pierce,
Colston Loveland, Nick Scalerton, Darius Alexander.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
The quarterbacks are still there.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
To me.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I think Harmon's from Harmon stands out to me in
terms of what you need. I'd love the groom, a
talented young upfield guy, while Cam Hayward is still here.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Let me just ask you, guys a question that was
once asked famously in Steeler's history.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Are you sure you don't want to take the quarterback?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I am because I don't necessarily like that quarterback in
the first round.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I'm not reaching for a quarterback. I just won't do it. Yeah,
I'm not thrilled with that situation either.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I just have some doubts about Dart, and I really
think he needs a year.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I'm gonna go on a record and say that's not
what I would do, but you would take Dart here.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I'll acquiesce to the will of the group.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I mean, at some points you do have to replace,
not necessarily replaced now, but you do have to address
replacing Cam Hayward in a near future.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And I think Derek Harmon gives you a potential to
do that.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
He's got the prerequisite size thirty five inch arms production
at a major college, very disruptive.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Two major colleges.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah. One.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And I'm working on the assumption here that by the
time rolls around at the end of April, that's gonna
be a quarterback. Okay, doesn't mean you don't take another
quarterback somewhere else in this draft.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's a bull move. Let's see how it plays off
for you.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Derek Carmon is the pit.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay, Derek Carmon is to pick on Round one defensive
tackle and uh and a really good player, guy who
went from Michigan State to Oregon and really found his game. Yeah,
lost some weight, uh, better people around him, bigger circumstances,
and he really rose to the occasion.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
I thought, Yeah, they have a nose tackle too in
this draft that I like quite a bit. That also,
Dale and I do this a lot, and I don't
know that we are out of the nose tackle market
at this point too. You can add two to the
to a really rich group of defensive tackles overall. I
would consider that maybe in round three.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
The other thing I like about Harmon is he's not
necessarily a SAS guy, but he's a generate pressure guy.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, and you can use that. Gets his hands on again.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
There's thirty five inch arms show up, that's balls and
does all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It's he's a good football player.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Okay, So Derek Carmon, it is on round one and
let's fast forward now to the back end sixty.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Now the pick that we just picked up for moving
back and still getting harmon.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
The players available here.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Top players available Demetrius Knight, junior linebacker out of South Carolina.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Jaden Higgins wide receiver out of Iowa feeling.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Very good player.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Quinn Shaw Judkins running back out of Ohio State, Shamar
Turner defensive lineman from Texas A and m Elijah Rojo
tight end out of Miami. Arianta Ursery offensive tackle out
of Minnesota. Omar Norman Lott defensive lineman out of Tennessee.
You got Dylan Sampson running back out of Tennise, Tennessee
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as well, so back to back Tennessee's there. Kyle Kinnard,
edge rusher out of South Carolina.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
He's an interesting guy.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Six to eighty five, but we already took a defensive
end there. Benjamin Morrison, the cornerback at of Notre Dame CJ.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
West nose tackle.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
That's a true nose tackle out of Indiana, as is
Alfred Collins from Texas. And that's Traveon Henderson there. So
there's some good names to choose from here. At the
sixtieth there's a handful that stick out to me.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Is I know, we just took a defensive lineman, but
Alfred Collins is a much different type. He's the Plodi Nada,
you know, Vita vea nose tackle type and really could
attack your defensive line. I like both Ohio State running
backs just kind of this. You know, what style do
you want? You want the bruiser or the breakaway guy.
And Higgins still being there from Iowa State, a big receiver,
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I mean, really double down on attacking wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
But I don't know that's a need. But I'm kind
of shocked he's there and nice to mix him in.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I am a huge fan of Quinn Shawn Judkins at
this point.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, I got no problem with that at all.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Two and twenty one pounds.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
He ran a four point four to eight unofficial at
the combine. I forget what his official was.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
In one thousand yard back all three seasons in college, it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
In the SEC, did it in the Big ten Mississippi transfer.
I think he's a tremendous player. I think he's the
better of the two Ohio State running backs.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
No offense to.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Henderson, especially for the Steelers and big back.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
By the way, it's a position in need, it is.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I think it'd be a nice trade off if you
go deep tackle in the first round to address that
deficiency in the backfield. I like the change of pacebacks
they have in game.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well and Warren, but you need that thumper guy.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
He's your every down, he's got.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Breakaway home run in.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I wouldn't fight you at all on it. I'm pretty
happy he's sitting there.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
State running back running back, which again shows you the
value of that move back. Yep, in the first round
you get back into that second round. If we wait
until the third round to take a running back, we're
not touching a.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Guy like that, and particularly if you're not going to
take a quarterback in round one, moving back makes even
more sense.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Here, huh, that's a nice day too, you know, first
two round haul here and we've got another pick coming
up here at eighty three. Now that now, if you
want to start looking at a quarterback. Okay, you know
you don't need them to start this year. Somebody that
you can develop, you know. See what's what's there?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, let's see what the the simulator tells.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Us that the simulator is saying.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
At eighty three, the players available to us Ozzie Trapeo,
offensive tackle out of Boston College, Jordan Phillips, nose tackle
out of Maryland, Jared Wilson the center out of Georgia,
Kevin Winston, safety out of Penn State. R J. Harvey,
running back at a UCF. Jalen Noel the other wide
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receiver at the Iowa State.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
That's a good player.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Jonas Iavania, offensive tackle out of Arizona. He might have
kicked in the guard. DJ Giddon's running back out of
k State. Jalen Royals, wide receiver at a Utah State. Uh,
Saveon Williams is there the wide receiver at a TCU.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I just want to look here.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
We got Charles Grant and Anthony Belton, the two offensive tackles,
one from william and Murray one North Carolina State at
their quarterback position. If you wanted to jump into that mix,
here you're looking at will Howard is there, Riley Leonard,
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Dylan Gabriel Quin, Yours, tom Acord, Tyler Shock still there.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
You know my feelings on Tyler Shock. I'm a big,
big fan. I mean, I know he's over aged. I
think he's super talented. I'm also a little shocked Noel
still there.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's the one that jumped out of me, right.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I know the wide receiver has already been addressed, but
you tend to run out, yeah, and that tends to
be a real problem when you run out, as the
Steelers found out last year.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So I would throw my hat into the ring for
Noel here.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I was pretty happy to see him available.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
To be honest with you, good football players, I kind
of went into this draft process, especially after the Metcalf trade,
saying I don't really need another smallish receiver with Wilson
and Austin on board. But he's a tackle breaker, he's
a punt returner, he's.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Pretty thickly felt like a running back.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
He's a great tester. He's a really good football player.
I'm a little shocked he's there.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, speed guy, return skills, confident guy, considers himself a
student of the game.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
He had a quote that jumped out at me on
the NFL Network during the Senior Bowl coverage. He said,
if you want a guy who's going to be in
the right place at the right time and make smart
decisions at all time, all times, that I'm your guy.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I like those chists.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yet the tag team thing he had going with Higgins.
Obviously he can work in tandem with other players at
the position. And again, h when when George Pickens got
hurt last year, it was problematic to say the least.
Obviously it has been addressed since then. But can't have
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too many. It's like pitching right.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Dale, can't have too many any and I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
My only question would be do we do we do that?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Over the quarterback? Did you?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I mean, obviously Shuck is still there. Matt and I
are both big shuck guys. Shuck guys, I do see.
You know there's some other guys here, some later round
guys at that quarterback position.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Maybe you take one in round four.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
I have no qualms with Noel. I mean, I think
he could also be an outside guy. Austin can as well.
You have those two skyscrapers on the outside too already.
He'd probably battle right away for slot duties.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
And I just think he's too good to.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Be special teams guys.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, I think the quarterbacks there'll be some down the line.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Okay, it might even that's your project.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Well, I mean you can get one eventually, but I
wouldn't mind bringing a young army.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I would get a contributor now versus project. It is.
It is his third round.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
If you're going to take a project quarterback, third round
is you're expecting to get a starter there.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
So I'm with you, aren't Jalen know?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
L it is? I think jalenel Okay, So would we
end up trading again? Let's summarize for the good folks.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah, we moved back with the Well, here's the trade.
It was with the Lions. We got twenty.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Eight and sixty four picks.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Twenty one and one five.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Which is a six round pick, and that moved us
back to number twenty eight. We took Derek Harmon, defensive
lineman out of Oregon, and we went off to someone.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I would consider it twenty one. Yeah, yeah, oh absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Then we worked offense.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
We took Quid Shawn Judkins with that sixtieth pick that
we picked up by moving back, and then at picked
eighty three, which is our normal third round pick. We
got Jalen Noel, the wide receiver out of Iowa State.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
I think it's pretty clear they're trying to become more
explosive on offense, and I think we just helped them
with this running back and receiver.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
We absolutely just helped them.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Of course, easies.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You just set you're bored that the picks almost picked themselves.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
That's the way any hard decisions.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You know, you can love a guy as much as
you want, that doesn't mean he's going to fall to you.
In this instance, we had some guys fall to us
that I like a lot, and I think we loved.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
We all had likes.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Maybe not necessarily true love, but yeah, plenty to choose from.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Plenty to choose from, and this worked out well.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
The trade down helped quite a bit too.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
All Right.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I hope that gives people some insight into how the
draft is going to play out exactly as we have
just portrayed here.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Now, this was a fun exercise.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
What we did here was come up with what Matt Williamson,
Dale Lawley and myself might pursue. What we think this
is not what the Steelers are going to do well.
I mean, if it is, it's a complete coincidence. These
are our opinions and our actions, is what I'm trying
to stress to you, as they always are in this
type of programming on all of the Steelers' social media platforms.
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So if you liked it, thank you for finding us.
We're going to have more of this stuff coming before
the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
In late April. Until then, for Matt Williamson and.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Dale Lawley, Mike Pursuda, this has been the NFL Triple Take,
brought to you by up MC.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Thanks for watching.
Hello everyone, and welcome to another edition of Triple Take,
brought to you by up MC Mike Pursuda, joined as
always on these programs by Dale Lawley and Matt Williamson.
Matt and Dale are your drive tag team on SNR.
You can also catch their work on the Steelers Audio
(00:29):
Network and Steelers dot com. You can find me on
the Steelers Audio Network and Steelers dot com. But we're
here today for a specific purpose, not just to talk
about the draft, which we have been doing for a
while now, but this is our three round for a
into the draft. We're not gonna pick the entire league,
but we are gonna go three rounds with the Steelers
(00:51):
and Dale. Right now, there are only two picks for
the Steelers in the first three rounds.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
But we can change that, can't We.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Can make something happen there. And we still have k
Metcalf in our back pocket here.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
But you know, when you forget, we have DK Metcalf RT.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, the only have the two draft picks right now.
We could change that and you still got DK Metcalf.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I'm guessing that a change is going to be forthcoming.
But before we get to the festivities, I want to
remind everyone the opinions that we are about to express
and the actions we are about to take are ours,
not those of the Pittsburgh Steelers. So keep that in
mind as you delve into what you are about to receive.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Let's get that trade done, Dale, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So we're running a little handy dandy simulator here, draft simulator,
and the first twenty picks are in. So we're on
the clock and we have six trade offers.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Guys, okay the best.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So you got teams that are interested Houston at twenty five,
Detroit at twenty eight, Washington at twenty nine, and then
three teams that are in the second round. I'm not
necessarily interested in trading out of the first round.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
But we are interested in getting into second round.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I would like that. And so you got swing it.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, yeah, If you get the Detections at twenty five,
the Lions at twenty eight, and the Commander's at twenty nine,
it's just a matter of how far do we want
to move back and still think that we can get
a player that we like here.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So we have options wise, man, Yes, never move back
and trade.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Away from a player you'd want. They're we can move
multiple players yes, there's a lot of to be Okay,
so what we would like to do.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
We could talk to Houston first.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Houston has picked twenty five, fifty eight, seventy nine and
eighty nine, and.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
They made that Tounsil trade. They got all kinds of.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Feah, they've got firepower to come up. So we're obviously
going to offer twenty one. They would obviously offer twenty five.
Can we get fifty eight from them?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
No, we are saying that.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
They are saying no, I'd be interested in moving next
year's third because the Steelers right now are set up
really really well with picks next year.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Is that something they might be very interested in in theory?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
In theory, they would they would accept twenty five and
fifty or twenty five and seventy nine for twenty one.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Seventy nine is not in the set.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That's a that's a there, I guess they're normal or no,
they get that. That's the pick they.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Got from some probably from Washington through Miami.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Okay, so it's basically be Miami's third round pick. So
we'd have two third round picks.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
And move back four spots and then move back four.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Spots and still probably get a player that.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Do we not have a second round option.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
We can try and say, what if we traded with Detroit.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So if we do it, we do a deal with
the Detroit.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Detroit's got twenty eight and sixty, we.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Might be able to get them to do that.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Should I offer that offer that because.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
If I offer it and they take it, it's done.
They did not take that off as well.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
If we sprinkle in a late round pick, throw a
six or a fifth or something their way.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
But throw in the our pick at one eighty five,
they accepted that. Okay, So what we ended up ving
toil twenty one and one eighty five for twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Eight and sixty.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Okay, Well they moved back seven spots. Yeah, there was
a handful of names I liked.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
When you read them off.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Says the players, it just went. We lost out on
a chance to get Walter Nolan.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
He let me, he's off the board. That was my
favorite target, Ye'll be honest.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Amar and Hampton went to the Baltimore Ravens at twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Sounds very ravenish. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
So now we're looking here, we're at twenty eight and
Derek Harmon is still there. Kay, Malachi Starks still there
which is kind of surprising. Luther burd and James Pierce,
Colston Loveland, Nick Scalerton, Darius Alexander.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
The quarterbacks are still there.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
To me.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I think Harmon's from Harmon stands out to me in
terms of what you need. I'd love the groom, a
talented young upfield guy, while Cam Hayward is still here.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Let me just ask you, guys a question that was
once asked famously in Steeler's history.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Are you sure you don't want to take the quarterback?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I am because I don't necessarily like that quarterback in
the first round.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I'm not reaching for a quarterback. I just won't do it. Yeah,
I'm not thrilled with that situation either.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I just have some doubts about Dart, and I really
think he needs a year.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I'm gonna go on a record and say that's not
what I would do, but you would take Dart here.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I'll acquiesce to the will of the group.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I mean, at some points you do have to replace,
not necessarily replaced now, but you do have to address
replacing Cam Hayward in a near future.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And I think Derek Harmon gives you a potential to
do that.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
He's got the prerequisite size thirty five inch arms production
at a major college, very disruptive.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Two major colleges.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah. One.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And I'm working on the assumption here that by the
time rolls around at the end of April, that's gonna
be a quarterback. Okay, doesn't mean you don't take another
quarterback somewhere else in this draft.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's a bull move. Let's see how it plays off
for you.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Derek Carmon is the pit.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay, Derek Carmon is to pick on Round one defensive
tackle and uh and a really good player, guy who
went from Michigan State to Oregon and really found his game. Yeah,
lost some weight, uh, better people around him, bigger circumstances,
and he really rose to the occasion.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
I thought, Yeah, they have a nose tackle too in
this draft that I like quite a bit. That also,
Dale and I do this a lot, and I don't
know that we are out of the nose tackle market
at this point too. You can add two to the
to a really rich group of defensive tackles overall. I
would consider that maybe in round three.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
The other thing I like about Harmon is he's not
necessarily a SAS guy, but he's a generate pressure guy.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, and you can use that. Gets his hands on again.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
There's thirty five inch arms show up, that's balls and
does all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It's he's a good football player.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Okay, So Derek Carmon, it is on round one and
let's fast forward now to the back end sixty.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Now the pick that we just picked up for moving
back and still getting harmon.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
The players available here.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Top players available Demetrius Knight, junior linebacker out of South Carolina.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Jaden Higgins wide receiver out of Iowa feeling.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Very good player.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Quinn Shaw Judkins running back out of Ohio State, Shamar
Turner defensive lineman from Texas A and m Elijah Rojo
tight end out of Miami. Arianta Ursery offensive tackle out
of Minnesota. Omar Norman Lott defensive lineman out of Tennessee.
You got Dylan Sampson running back out of Tennise, Tennessee
(07:43):
as well, so back to back Tennessee's there. Kyle Kinnard,
edge rusher out of South Carolina.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
He's an interesting guy.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Six to eighty five, but we already took a defensive
end there. Benjamin Morrison, the cornerback at of Notre Dame CJ.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
West nose tackle.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
That's a true nose tackle out of Indiana, as is
Alfred Collins from Texas. And that's Traveon Henderson there. So
there's some good names to choose from here. At the
sixtieth there's a handful that stick out to me.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Is I know, we just took a defensive lineman, but
Alfred Collins is a much different type. He's the Plodi Nada,
you know, Vita vea nose tackle type and really could
attack your defensive line. I like both Ohio State running
backs just kind of this. You know, what style do
you want? You want the bruiser or the breakaway guy.
And Higgins still being there from Iowa State, a big receiver,
(08:36):
I mean, really double down on attacking wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
But I don't know that's a need. But I'm kind
of shocked he's there and nice to mix him in.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I am a huge fan of Quinn Shawn Judkins at
this point.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, I got no problem with that at all.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Two and twenty one pounds.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
He ran a four point four to eight unofficial at
the combine. I forget what his official was.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
In one thousand yard back all three seasons in college, it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
In the SEC, did it in the Big ten Mississippi transfer.
I think he's a tremendous player. I think he's the
better of the two Ohio State running backs.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
No offense to.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Henderson, especially for the Steelers and big back.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
By the way, it's a position in need, it is.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I think it'd be a nice trade off if you
go deep tackle in the first round to address that
deficiency in the backfield. I like the change of pacebacks
they have in game.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well and Warren, but you need that thumper guy.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
He's your every down, he's got.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Breakaway home run in.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I wouldn't fight you at all on it. I'm pretty
happy he's sitting there.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
State running back running back, which again shows you the
value of that move back. Yep, in the first round
you get back into that second round. If we wait
until the third round to take a running back, we're
not touching a.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Guy like that, and particularly if you're not going to
take a quarterback in round one, moving back makes even
more sense.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Here, huh, that's a nice day too, you know, first
two round haul here and we've got another pick coming
up here at eighty three. Now that now, if you
want to start looking at a quarterback. Okay, you know
you don't need them to start this year. Somebody that
you can develop, you know. See what's what's there?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, let's see what the the simulator tells.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Us that the simulator is saying.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
At eighty three, the players available to us Ozzie Trapeo,
offensive tackle out of Boston College, Jordan Phillips, nose tackle
out of Maryland, Jared Wilson the center out of Georgia,
Kevin Winston, safety out of Penn State. R J. Harvey,
running back at a UCF. Jalen Noel the other wide
(10:42):
receiver at the Iowa State.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
That's a good player.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Jonas Iavania, offensive tackle out of Arizona. He might have
kicked in the guard. DJ Giddon's running back out of
k State. Jalen Royals, wide receiver at a Utah State. Uh,
Saveon Williams is there the wide receiver at a TCU.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I just want to look here.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
We got Charles Grant and Anthony Belton, the two offensive tackles,
one from william and Murray one North Carolina State at
their quarterback position. If you wanted to jump into that mix,
here you're looking at will Howard is there, Riley Leonard,
(11:22):
Dylan Gabriel Quin, Yours, tom Acord, Tyler Shock still there.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
You know my feelings on Tyler Shock. I'm a big,
big fan. I mean, I know he's over aged. I
think he's super talented. I'm also a little shocked Noel
still there.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's the one that jumped out of me, right.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I know the wide receiver has already been addressed, but
you tend to run out, yeah, and that tends to
be a real problem when you run out, as the
Steelers found out last year.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So I would throw my hat into the ring for
Noel here.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I was pretty happy to see him available.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
To be honest with you, good football players, I kind
of went into this draft process, especially after the Metcalf trade,
saying I don't really need another smallish receiver with Wilson
and Austin on board. But he's a tackle breaker, he's
a punt returner, he's.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Pretty thickly felt like a running back.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
He's a great tester. He's a really good football player.
I'm a little shocked he's there.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, speed guy, return skills, confident guy, considers himself a
student of the game.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
He had a quote that jumped out at me on
the NFL Network during the Senior Bowl coverage. He said,
if you want a guy who's going to be in
the right place at the right time and make smart
decisions at all time, all times, that I'm your guy.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I like those chists.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yet the tag team thing he had going with Higgins.
Obviously he can work in tandem with other players at
the position. And again, h when when George Pickens got
hurt last year, it was problematic to say the least.
Obviously it has been addressed since then. But can't have
(12:57):
too many. It's like pitching right.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Dale, can't have too many any and I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
My only question would be do we do we do that?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Over the quarterback? Did you?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I mean, obviously Shuck is still there. Matt and I
are both big shuck guys. Shuck guys, I do see.
You know there's some other guys here, some later round
guys at that quarterback position.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Maybe you take one in round four.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
I have no qualms with Noel. I mean, I think
he could also be an outside guy. Austin can as well.
You have those two skyscrapers on the outside too already.
He'd probably battle right away for slot duties.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
And I just think he's too good to.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Be special teams guys.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, I think the quarterbacks there'll be some down the line.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Okay, it might even that's your project.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Well, I mean you can get one eventually, but I
wouldn't mind bringing a young army.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I would get a contributor now versus project. It is.
It is his third round.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
If you're going to take a project quarterback, third round
is you're expecting to get a starter there.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
So I'm with you, aren't Jalen know?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
L it is? I think jalenel Okay, So would we
end up trading again? Let's summarize for the good folks.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah, we moved back with the Well, here's the trade.
It was with the Lions. We got twenty.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Eight and sixty four picks.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Twenty one and one five.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Which is a six round pick, and that moved us
back to number twenty eight. We took Derek Harmon, defensive
lineman out of Oregon, and we went off to someone.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I would consider it twenty one. Yeah, yeah, oh absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Then we worked offense.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
We took Quid Shawn Judkins with that sixtieth pick that
we picked up by moving back, and then at picked
eighty three, which is our normal third round pick. We
got Jalen Noel, the wide receiver out of Iowa State.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
I think it's pretty clear they're trying to become more
explosive on offense, and I think we just helped them
with this running back and receiver.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
We absolutely just helped them.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Of course, easies.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You just set you're bored that the picks almost picked themselves.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
That's the way any hard decisions.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You know, you can love a guy as much as
you want, that doesn't mean he's going to fall to you.
In this instance, we had some guys fall to us
that I like a lot, and I think we loved.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
We all had likes.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Maybe not necessarily true love, but yeah, plenty to choose from.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Plenty to choose from, and this worked out well.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
The trade down helped quite a bit too.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
All Right.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I hope that gives people some insight into how the
draft is going to play out exactly as we have
just portrayed here.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Now, this was a fun exercise.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
What we did here was come up with what Matt Williamson,
Dale Lawley and myself might pursue. What we think this
is not what the Steelers are going to do well.
I mean, if it is, it's a complete coincidence. These
are our opinions and our actions, is what I'm trying
to stress to you, as they always are in this
type of programming on all of the Steelers' social media platforms.
(15:51):
So if you liked it, thank you for finding us.
We're going to have more of this stuff coming before
the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
In late April. Until then, for Matt Williamson and.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Dale Lawley, Mike Pursuda, this has been the NFL Triple Take,
brought to you by up MC.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Thanks for watching.
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