March 17, 2025 • 23 mins
The Seahawks had a busy start to free agency which included the signing of Pro Bowl quarterback Sam Darnold and agreeing to terms with Super Bowl LVI MVP wide receiver Cooper Kupp. Jen Mueller and John Boyle break down everything you need to know about the Seahawks' 2025 free agency class. Today's show: Roster shakeup (00:48), Excitement around Sam Darnold (02:37), What Darnold learned from the end of last season (07:16), What clicked for Darnold in 2024 (09:58), Kubiak’s system (15:03) and Cooper Kupp (17:20).
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Speaker 4 (00:41):
Of the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It is an off season edition of the Seahawks Insiders podcast.
And John Boyle, I know that you don't like to
be this busy during the off season, but there's a
few things.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Going on around this since we've last talked, Yes, beds
of Change. Yeah, it's been going back to really middle
of about what about a week and a half ago,
and how WALKTT got released. Ever since then, it's been
pretty NonStop.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You've been in the building more than I have in
the last week and a half. Yes, is there a
noticeable energy shift in the building.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I mean, it's hard to say because a lot of
you know, players aren't here, coaches are down doing their
own thing.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
We're not really like around them as.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Much, so I don't, I don't know, it's hard to say,
Like the energy in the building. I think, you know,
up on the third floor where I'm it's just a
lot of reacting to news more than anything like.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Oh wow, it's a lot going on. So yeah, I
mean it's an exciting time.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
You you know, you just never know this time of
year how all these moves play out. But there's you know,
a lot to like, and then there's guys you know
you say goodbye to that you're gonna miss.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
But that's the kind of the unfortunate part of the
NFL is.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Guys come and go, and bands get connected to guys,
and then you gotta sometimes move on.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
It is the uh, it's the hard thing in all
of sports, right And I've learned that as hard as
it is to say goodbye, you know you're going to
see them somewhere down the line, and I'll cheer for
those guys as long as they're not playing the Seahawks exactly.
I will cheer for Pete Carroll as long as he's
not playing against the Seahawks as well. And I bring
that up because I was in Las Vegas last week
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for a couple of days and the amount of conversation
and people trying to figure out how they would characterize
all the Seahawks moves. They're like, so, would you say
that it's been interesting or do you think it's exciting?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
And I don't know that I asked the right word.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I think maybe that I tend to lean towards the
excited part of things, but that could just be because
of how excited Mike McDonald was announce his new quarterback.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Really excited to introduce Sam Donald's a new quarterback. And
this is exciting times, man. Just you know, it's been
been a whirlwind couple weeks here, as you guys well documented,
but as this thing started to come together, feel similar
like the way I feel, you know, introducing Clint was
just you know, looking into Sam and obviously gone against
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him in my career and here last year at Luman
against the Vikings. Now you think about I just want
first of all, is just a tremendous human being, a
great leader. We had a lot of people in our
building that have the history with Sam, that have a
lot of respect for him as a person, as a leader,
as a football player. So I'm really excited to get
our relationship started and getting to you know, introduced themselves
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to the rest of the team and the city and
the twelves. I think we're going to be really proud
of our quarterback here.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You know, one of things that really jumped out to
me that he talked about in that quote and later
on too, is kind of the familiarity. You know, from
Mike's standpoint, it's coaching against him, scheming against him, watching
him unfortunately for the Seahawks beat his team. And then
with the coaching staff, you have Clint Kubiak who spent
time with him in San Francisco two years ago. So
it's kind of in a common thread with a lot
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of guys they brought in on both sides of the balls,
Like you have that familiarity somewhere on this coaching staff.
And yeah, I mean, look, you know, there's nothing against
Gino Smith you can love Gino Smith and he did
awesome things here, but also be really excited about the
new guy coming in, Sam Donald, who's you know, coming
off a phenomenal year last year and they're hoping can
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can take Clint Kubiak's offense and run with it.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, we'll talk about what he means in Clint Kubiak's
system and what that familiarity means for the Seahawks in
just a little bit. The fans that I talked to
from Minnesota, their initial reaction was, oh, so it's your
team that stole our quarterback. Like, I know that they've
got a young up and comer that Vikings fans are
really excited to see. But they loved what Sam Donald
did last year. And you heard Mike McDonald talk about
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how he's an awesome person and John, what was the
conversation when Sam Donald was mentioned as.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
A top choice for the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
This is just when the rumors.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Were at there before it was side.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
What was the number one thing people looked at last
year with Sam Darnald and said.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
For Seahawks fans, it was the game against Seattle. It
was coming to Seattle tough, you know, road environment. I
think it was pretty rainy.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It was gross.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
It was gross, it was rainy.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
It was he had just gone down, driven the field,
taken the lead, and then Darnald leaves him down and
throws that really impressive in a muddy pocket touchdown pass
to Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Who win the game.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And yeah, I mean, this is a guy really not
that dissimilar from the Seahawks last quarterback of starts his
career at the Jets and not a great situation, has
his struggles, most of the NFL kind of gives up
on him, and then he gets his chance and that position,
you know, Clint Kubiak talked about this, like that position
in particular, like it's hard. You get labeled a certain
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way and then you know, people want to just call
you a bust or whatever you call it. And you
get in a good situation and you get someone to
kind of help build your confidence back up. Those guys
were drafted highly for a reason, and he's showing that,
you know, he really is a capable of playing at
a very high level.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
He's got I believe it was five game winning touchdown
drives last year in the fourth quarter. We saw Gino
do quite the same to your point about being labeled
a bust. I'd like for any of us to to
be candid. The very first job we ever had and
and go is that the Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Was that the best ever? Like? Was I the best ever?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I think?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I think, yeah, yeah, to be that young in that
kind of spotlight, like, it's really hard. And again in
the NFL, and at that position, it matters so much
what you come into that situation. And we've seen some
guys come into favorable situations and thrive as rookies. Some
guys come into really bad situations and struggle, and some guys, unfortunately,
(06:31):
they don't ever recover from that, and other guys get
a chance to and they do.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
The other thing that people talked about with Sam Darnold,
you know, for all of the impressive numbers that he
put up last year, you get to the end of
the year and for whatever reason, you run.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Out of steam.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
The matchups aren't as favorable. And so the thing I
heard a lot of people talking about, because again I
was out of town, so I'm hearing from just NFL
fans from around the league, right, the number one thing was, yeah,
but he couldn't win at the end of the season.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yep, Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Those couple of games at the end of the year,
that's you know, I'm a little worried about that. When
you hear Mike McDonald talk about what a good, just
human being he is, I kind of think that he's
referring to the way that sar Sam Darnold handled questions
about those final couple of games.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
I was waiting for someone to bring that up, by
the way, I appreciate, appreciate that now. That's it's fair, man, Like,
you know, you get all the way to that point,
you have the season that we had offensively as a team,
and then you know, you run into at the end
of the day, like only one team can can win
the Super Bowl, and unfortunately we weren't that team. But
(07:36):
I learned a ton from those last two games, especially
playing Detroit and play in LA. You know, we're gonna
c l A twice a year obviously playing in this
division and really looking forward to that. But yeah, it's
just you know, continuing to learn, learn things about yourself.
What they did schematically, and uh yeah, that's that's basically
(07:57):
all you can do is just learn from those experiences.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
He handled that question very well, and it you know,
he even started saying, I was waiting for that question,
and look like it's a casual observer. I fell victim
of that too. It's like, you look at what a
great season, and then the two games that matter most,
they're playing for the one seed and then it's their
playoff game, and statistically he was not good. But I
think when you go back and actually revisit those games,
he'd be the first tell you he could be better.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
But you know, they dealt with some injuries up front.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
They ran into, you know, a really good aggressive defense
in Detroit that you know, the Rams kind of copied
that formula and got after him with a lot of pressure,
and that Rams pass rush at the end of the
year was on it.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It was a bad time.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, So like, look again, Sam Darnl will tell you
he could have come up with better answers. But this
wasn't a case of like he forgot how to play
football for two weeks. It was, you know, more of
a failure offensively as a whole that the quarterback's always
going to kind of get that pin on him. But yeah,
if those two games had been a more established guy,
you wouldn't be looking at like, oh, well, he's cooked.
Because he had two bad games, you'd you'd kind of
(08:58):
look more around what what led to it?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, and it was, in fact a career year for him.
He was a pro Bowly he throw, he threw, he threw,
he throwed, he threw. Sure, I was gonna make it
up and just get with it, but now I'm gonna
call it out. So I'm gonna be Sam Darnold say
I could have done better on that one. He threw
for over four thousand yards thirty five touchdowns, And I
(09:23):
got to point out, and I actually pulled this from
your article on Seahawks dot com, John, but the yards
on deep passes, it's number one in the league. It's
over one thousand yards. And by the way, those are
categorized as his passes of twenty or more yards in
the air.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yes, yes, the not the short catch and runs next
gens dat Yeah, twenty plus ear yards.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
He was number one in the NFL. And was it
tied for the most touchdowns I believe as well, Yes.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yep, indeed.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And he was not expected to be the starter last year,
so that was a little bit of a surprise. As
for why those career numbers happened last year, well, here's
what the quarterback says.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
Yeah, I think for me it was you know, I
think the biggest thing was just consistent, playing consistent football
and then it's a lot easier than done. But not
turning the football over. I think that's the biggest thing.
Is like kind of understanding when it plays dead, especially
on first and second down and then third down, Like
you're gonna have some plays where you know, the d
line might might get a good rush and they might
get in there and you got to take a sack
(10:26):
and keep two hands on the ball and let you know,
you know, let uh you know, what's his Dixon or
punter do his thing back there? You know that's one
uh and uh yeah, just just very you know, being
very smart, situationally aware, I think is the biggest thing
that kind of you know, turned my game into into
(10:46):
being kind of you know, here and there hitt and
missed to to playing consistent football.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Gotta love a guy coming in day one and know
one who is punter sure is shouting out his punter
you hear it might go nice And that's that's a
defensive minded head coach has got to love a quarterback like, look,
you want your quarterback to be explosive and do awesome things.
But if you're a defensive guy, like you want a
quarterback who's willing to say, hey, you know what, sometimes
we just got to eat it here and live to
fight another day and let our defense do his thing.
(11:12):
And look we you know, we're talking a lot about offense,
because that's all the moves that the Seahawks, you know,
the big move's been that.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
But you got to look at like what this defense
did last year. The guys they retained in Jared Reed,
Nurnest Jones, the guys they're adding, like DeMarcus Lawrence. They're
expecting that defense to be really damn good this year.
And if you can do that, you don't need Sam
Darnold to come in and be just somemon saying, you know,
light up the scoreboard.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
It's the stuff he talked about, is being smart. It's
doing that stuff that sometimes quarterbacks need time to learn.
It's it's hard to come to the league as this
highly touted guy. You lit up the college football and
you're the top number three pick and all that. It's
hard to then say like, Okay, sometimes I got to
check it down, all right, I gotta take this sack
or all that. So you know he's learned those lessons
and he put it to good use last year.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
But and there's both on that one. Everybody needs to
learn that lesson, right, there were a number of times
I can think of in the last season or two
where Seattle players were trying to extend that play only
to end up having the ball come out or having
it knocked out, or you're fighting just a little bit
too long. That recognition from the quarterback I think does
(12:17):
trickle down. I also think this is part of the
conversation about understanding what offensive scheme you were in, because
you know what the answer is the next time you're
on offense and what the Seahawks are looking for. And
it's the InVogue thing to say, it's the complimentary football,
right if the defense is going to be that good,
I just I can't have you going three and out
all the time and putting them in bad spots. But
(12:40):
go ahead and let them take over the game when
it's necessary. If you need to kind of regroup a
little bit on offense, that's fine to me. Bringing in
Clint Kubiak and having a system that Darnold is used
to for the last few years. That makes a huge
difference because Kubiak knows his system understand and says philosophy's
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very very well, can communicate it down the line, and
I think all of that helps settle an offense into
knowing what they can and can't take or give on
any sort of player drive.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, exactly, And when you have a quarterback who's gonna know.
I mean, look, what Kobeak is doing now is not
gonna be exactly the same, but there's so much overlap
in what you know before Niners were doing when he
was there, what Minnesota's doing.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's all part of that.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
You know, West Coast, Shanahan Tree, and you know, compared
to last year, when you're assembling an offensive staff pretty
much from scratch, guys who didn't work together, and now
you know you're going to have Rick Dennison, John Benton,
all these guys who have worked with Clint Kubiak, who've
all been in this offense and various versions of this offense,
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and then a quarterback who knows it. I just think
it's going to be much more cohesive this year.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
And you bring in a guy like Cooper Cup to
go along with JSA and you bring in another vets
to kind of help with that.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I think you are setting them up to succeed. It's
interesting when you look at those deep ball stats because
I look at this wide receiving core and go, oh,
maybe we're not going to go downfield quite as often
just because of the type of receivers that they are.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
But I'm pretty sure it's going to open up stuff downfield.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Well, and that's why you bring in a Marquez Baldos
Scanty too. Look, he's not a guy who's like put
up insane numbers in his career, but you look at
what he did his whole career. Has been a deep
threat guy, big play guy. I guess career averages around
twenty yards of catch. He was over twenty two yards
of reception in his eight games with New Orleans and
Clint Kubiak when he went there in the second.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Half of last season.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
And even if he's a guy that's not getting the
ball a ton every game, he can stretch that, you know,
just go stretch field vertically make things happen for a
guy like Cooper Cup and JSN underneath.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well, because I know a lot of people are saying, yes,
Sam Darnald got those numbers, but you also had Justin
Jefferson in that wide receiving course.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
So what happens with that? And he is pretty good.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
But in general, going back to Kubiak, the scheme's a
good fit for Donald and it's a fit for the
players that the Seahawks are bringing in.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
Yeah, obviously, you know, working with Clint a little bit
in San Francisco, very familiar with the scheme, ran some
very very similar concepts last year in Minnesota as well,
and uh yeah, just you know, even getting to talk
to Clint a little bit, you know, on Wednesday, just
being very very excited just about this opportunity and just
(15:25):
to just to be able to collaborate, I think is
the biggest thing. Like, you know, there's variations of the
same system that kind of go around the NFL, and
being in one of those last year and kind of
getting to morph a little bit of that with obviously
most of the stuff that that you know, we did
in San Francisco, and then I know he grew on
his system a little bit last year in New Orleans.
(15:45):
So again just just very I know, I keep using
this word, but very excited to to just get rolling
on on kind of what this system, what the offense
is gonna look like next.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
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Speaker 4 (16:17):
Excited is the word he keeps coming back to.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I've actually said it a couple of times. Is there
a better word to describe what you are anticipating from
the Seahawks offense?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I mean use the word complimentary.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I'll go borrow, you know, the favorite word of the
last head coach here in balance. I think that's you
know what, when we go back and look at when
this offense wasn't working last year, so often it was
they you know, they couldn't run the ball, or they
just weren't running the ball. And I just think, you
know the history of this scheme, all the different teams
are running variants of you know, the Mike Shanahan offense
(16:57):
slash Kyle Shanahan slash Sean mcvagh. However you want to
find it, it's you know, those teams run the ball,
and they run it well, and they can you know,
go lean on that when they need it, and it
just creates so much so that you know, when I
look at what Clint Kubiak is going to bring and
the players they have, that's what really just gets me
to borrow. Sam Darnolds were excited about twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know, you talk about a team that can run
the ball, and it brings us back to Cooper Cup.
Not because he's a running back, because he's the wide receiver,
but in twenty twenty one, he was the Offensive Player
of the Year.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
He was the Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Rams had a run game like everybody had a run game,
but somehow he was still the one that managed to
step up in relationship.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I thought you were talking right. He could run block
because that's what he could run block. That's time he's done,
awfully done to mix it up.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well, he's a pretty large person. I'm very excited him there.
I did cover him in college and I go talk
some big sky. He was a man among boys. Yes,
they had some boy they had some fun Eastern Washington
teams over there. You know the name that we actually
have not mentioned before we get back to Sam Darnold
to close things out, DeMarcus Lawrence eleven seasons with the Cowboys.
(18:08):
I looked at that come across my phone and that
was like, how how did we get him out of Dallas?
Yeah for one thing, but a four time pro bowler
and we were talking before we hit record on this episode.
He's not going to be your every down guy.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I mean I love this edition because for a guy
who's been in the league this long and who is
coming off injury, you know, he say he's fully healthy,
the foot injuries behind him, But you don't need him
to come in and be a guy playing seventy percent
of the snaps, being on the field all the time.
You know, he's a guy you're bringing in to add
to a really solid edge group already with guys like
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Chenna boy mof and Derek Hall.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And you know you might add.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
More to that, whether it's draft or further efreegency, but
you know those guys can carry a lot of the
workload and then Lawrence can come in and he can
be a.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Guy that he's always been disruptive.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
He's a really good run defender, you know, anytime we
talk about that position, we look at the sac numbers
and he's had some really good sack scenes. But he
can also stop the run really well. So yeah, I
think he's just a great, great addition. He should, you know,
be a good veteran presence in that position group and
in the locker room as well. So in Dirty obviously
knows him well, and you know, he made the Pro
Bowl twice with Dirday as his line coach. So I
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just you know, again going back to some of these
New Orleans guys they brought in, or you know, Kubiak connections,
however you want to call it. I think in free agency,
when you you know, you get to know the you
don't have a lot of time to get to know
the guys you're you're trying to evaluate, you know, what
you see on tape and what you've heard about him.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
But if you've got some of the.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Building that really has a relationship, that that can help
that decision making quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And it is important to note that we are not
seeing the final picture. There is still a draft coming up.
There are still the potential.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
We're a week into free agency, like, there's still a
lot of good players out there.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
There's other moves that can happen.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
There's a draft, so it's you know, and when people
want to look at certain position groups.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Offensive line, we know, wondering about that.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Like I'm sure that we're going to have updates somewhere
along the line.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I think it was both John Schneider and Mike McDonald
made comments onlines like well, you know, we're not playing
a game tomorrow, like they've got some time to add
to that, and all over the roster.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Really, and here's what we know for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Sam Darnold already has his eye on getting better in
twenty twenty five. I know that he doesn't have a
whole lot of teammates right now to throw to. Maybe
he's doing some sort of camps, but until they actually
get to organize team activities, here's what he's going to
be working on heading towards, heading towards the season.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Yeah, I think, you know, I kind of look at
those last couple of games, you know, I think being
able to get the ball out a little bit quicker
on some of the dropback stuff that we had those
last couple of games, and understanding where the outlets are
and even if a guy's covered, like even if my
back's covered on a checkdown, like just throwing it at
his feet. You know, I felt like I was taking
some unnecessary sacks last year, especially those last few games,
(20:57):
and just going to continue to work that however I
can in drills and drill settings, you know, uh, you know,
early early April and even even you know later this March,
but you know, when we start to get into those
team periods and start to get into training camp a
little bit, I'll definitely be you know, thinking about that,
keeping two hands on the ball in the pocket at
(21:18):
all times, and I'm just doing all the little fun
fundamental things you know, and uh, and I think, but
that's a big one is being able to just get
the ball out on time.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You know what I need to work on John being
able to identify Sam Donald's voice without having somebody introduce that.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I know, I was like, what I'm starting of the
press conference. I was like, wait, what who am I
listening to right now? Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, you'll get there, Yeah, I'll get there. That is
going to be one of the things I know we
need reps, he needs reps. I you know, it's the
off season. We all have things to work on. What
do you what do you think the next big story
is going to be that you write? I know I'm
going to put you on the spot. What do you
think the next big one is?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Big one?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I mean, there's gonna give me a little one, but
people don't really want to know about it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I mean, look, there's gonna be seahawks dot.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Com those where you can go to find everything.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
There's gonna be signings obviously between you know now next week,
and you know there's guys reportedly visiting today, so who
knows when it will be there. You know, signings will
be happening. But big story, I don't know. Some fun
draft stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That's yeah, that's gonna be really think.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Draft five picks in the first ninety two, that's.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I'm gonna skip over the fact that John's playing that
close to the best because I'm sure he's working on something.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Something's cooking.
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
It is an off season edition of the Seahawks Insiders podcast.
And John Boyle, I know that you don't like to
be this busy during the off season, but there's a
few things.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Going on around this since we've last talked, Yes, beds
of Change. Yeah, it's been going back to really middle
of about what about a week and a half ago,
and how WALKTT got released. Ever since then, it's been
pretty NonStop.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You've been in the building more than I have in
the last week and a half. Yes, is there a
noticeable energy shift in the building.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I mean, it's hard to say because a lot of
you know, players aren't here, coaches are down doing their
own thing.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
We're not really like around them as.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Much, so I don't, I don't know, it's hard to say,
Like the energy in the building. I think, you know,
up on the third floor where I'm it's just a
lot of reacting to news more than anything like.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Oh wow, it's a lot going on. So yeah, I
mean it's an exciting time.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
You you know, you just never know this time of
year how all these moves play out. But there's you know,
a lot to like, and then there's guys you know
you say goodbye to that you're gonna miss.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
But that's the kind of the unfortunate part of the
NFL is.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Guys come and go, and bands get connected to guys,
and then you gotta sometimes move on.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
It is the uh, it's the hard thing in all
of sports, right And I've learned that as hard as
it is to say goodbye, you know you're going to
see them somewhere down the line, and I'll cheer for
those guys as long as they're not playing the Seahawks exactly.
I will cheer for Pete Carroll as long as he's
not playing against the Seahawks as well. And I bring
that up because I was in Las Vegas last week
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for a couple of days and the amount of conversation
and people trying to figure out how they would characterize
all the Seahawks moves. They're like, so, would you say
that it's been interesting or do you think it's exciting?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
And I don't know that I asked the right word.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I think maybe that I tend to lean towards the
excited part of things, but that could just be because
of how excited Mike McDonald was announce his new quarterback.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Really excited to introduce Sam Donald's a new quarterback. And
this is exciting times, man. Just you know, it's been
been a whirlwind couple weeks here, as you guys well documented,
but as this thing started to come together, feel similar
like the way I feel, you know, introducing Clint was
just you know, looking into Sam and obviously gone against
(02:58):
him in my career and here last year at Luman
against the Vikings. Now you think about I just want
first of all, is just a tremendous human being, a
great leader. We had a lot of people in our
building that have the history with Sam, that have a
lot of respect for him as a person, as a leader,
as a football player. So I'm really excited to get
our relationship started and getting to you know, introduced themselves
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to the rest of the team and the city and
the twelves. I think we're going to be really proud
of our quarterback here.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You know, one of things that really jumped out to
me that he talked about in that quote and later
on too, is kind of the familiarity. You know, from
Mike's standpoint, it's coaching against him, scheming against him, watching
him unfortunately for the Seahawks beat his team. And then
with the coaching staff, you have Clint Kubiak who spent
time with him in San Francisco two years ago. So
it's kind of in a common thread with a lot
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of guys they brought in on both sides of the balls,
Like you have that familiarity somewhere on this coaching staff.
And yeah, I mean, look, you know, there's nothing against
Gino Smith you can love Gino Smith and he did
awesome things here, but also be really excited about the
new guy coming in, Sam Donald, who's you know, coming
off a phenomenal year last year and they're hoping can
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can take Clint Kubiak's offense and run with it.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, we'll talk about what he means in Clint Kubiak's
system and what that familiarity means for the Seahawks in
just a little bit. The fans that I talked to
from Minnesota, their initial reaction was, oh, so it's your
team that stole our quarterback. Like, I know that they've
got a young up and comer that Vikings fans are
really excited to see. But they loved what Sam Donald
did last year. And you heard Mike McDonald talk about
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how he's an awesome person and John, what was the
conversation when Sam Donald was mentioned as.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
A top choice for the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
This is just when the rumors.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Were at there before it was side.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
What was the number one thing people looked at last
year with Sam Darnald and said.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
For Seahawks fans, it was the game against Seattle. It
was coming to Seattle tough, you know, road environment. I
think it was pretty rainy.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It was gross.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
It was gross, it was rainy.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
It was he had just gone down, driven the field,
taken the lead, and then Darnald leaves him down and
throws that really impressive in a muddy pocket touchdown pass
to Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Who win the game.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And yeah, I mean, this is a guy really not
that dissimilar from the Seahawks last quarterback of starts his
career at the Jets and not a great situation, has
his struggles, most of the NFL kind of gives up
on him, and then he gets his chance and that position,
you know, Clint Kubiak talked about this, like that position
in particular, like it's hard. You get labeled a certain
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way and then you know, people want to just call
you a bust or whatever you call it. And you
get in a good situation and you get someone to
kind of help build your confidence back up. Those guys
were drafted highly for a reason, and he's showing that,
you know, he really is a capable of playing at
a very high level.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
He's got I believe it was five game winning touchdown
drives last year in the fourth quarter. We saw Gino
do quite the same to your point about being labeled
a bust. I'd like for any of us to to
be candid. The very first job we ever had and
and go is that the Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Was that the best ever? Like? Was I the best ever?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I think?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I think, yeah, yeah, to be that young in that
kind of spotlight, like, it's really hard. And again in
the NFL, and at that position, it matters so much
what you come into that situation. And we've seen some
guys come into favorable situations and thrive as rookies. Some
guys come into really bad situations and struggle, and some guys, unfortunately,
(06:31):
they don't ever recover from that, and other guys get
a chance to and they do.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
The other thing that people talked about with Sam Darnold,
you know, for all of the impressive numbers that he
put up last year, you get to the end of
the year and for whatever reason, you run.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Out of steam.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
The matchups aren't as favorable. And so the thing I
heard a lot of people talking about, because again I
was out of town, so I'm hearing from just NFL
fans from around the league, right, the number one thing was, yeah,
but he couldn't win at the end of the season.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yep, Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Those couple of games at the end of the year,
that's you know, I'm a little worried about that. When
you hear Mike McDonald talk about what a good, just
human being he is, I kind of think that he's
referring to the way that sar Sam Darnold handled questions
about those final couple of games.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
I was waiting for someone to bring that up, by
the way, I appreciate, appreciate that now. That's it's fair, man, Like,
you know, you get all the way to that point,
you have the season that we had offensively as a team,
and then you know, you run into at the end
of the day, like only one team can can win
the Super Bowl, and unfortunately we weren't that team. But
(07:36):
I learned a ton from those last two games, especially
playing Detroit and play in LA. You know, we're gonna
c l A twice a year obviously playing in this
division and really looking forward to that. But yeah, it's
just you know, continuing to learn, learn things about yourself.
What they did schematically, and uh yeah, that's that's basically
(07:57):
all you can do is just learn from those experiences.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
He handled that question very well, and it you know,
he even started saying, I was waiting for that question,
and look like it's a casual observer. I fell victim
of that too. It's like, you look at what a
great season, and then the two games that matter most,
they're playing for the one seed and then it's their
playoff game, and statistically he was not good. But I
think when you go back and actually revisit those games,
he'd be the first tell you he could be better.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
But you know, they dealt with some injuries up front.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
They ran into, you know, a really good aggressive defense
in Detroit that you know, the Rams kind of copied
that formula and got after him with a lot of pressure,
and that Rams pass rush at the end of the
year was on it.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It was a bad time.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, So like, look again, Sam Darnl will tell you
he could have come up with better answers. But this
wasn't a case of like he forgot how to play
football for two weeks. It was, you know, more of
a failure offensively as a whole that the quarterback's always
going to kind of get that pin on him. But yeah,
if those two games had been a more established guy,
you wouldn't be looking at like, oh, well, he's cooked.
Because he had two bad games, you'd you'd kind of
(08:58):
look more around what what led to it?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, and it was, in fact a career year for him.
He was a pro Bowly he throw, he threw, he threw,
he throwed, he threw. Sure, I was gonna make it
up and just get with it, but now I'm gonna
call it out. So I'm gonna be Sam Darnold say
I could have done better on that one. He threw
for over four thousand yards thirty five touchdowns, And I
(09:23):
got to point out, and I actually pulled this from
your article on Seahawks dot com, John, but the yards
on deep passes, it's number one in the league. It's
over one thousand yards. And by the way, those are
categorized as his passes of twenty or more yards in
the air.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yes, yes, the not the short catch and runs next
gens dat Yeah, twenty plus ear yards.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
He was number one in the NFL. And was it
tied for the most touchdowns I believe as well, Yes.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yep, indeed.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And he was not expected to be the starter last year,
so that was a little bit of a surprise. As
for why those career numbers happened last year, well, here's
what the quarterback says.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
Yeah, I think for me it was you know, I
think the biggest thing was just consistent, playing consistent football
and then it's a lot easier than done. But not
turning the football over. I think that's the biggest thing.
Is like kind of understanding when it plays dead, especially
on first and second down and then third down, Like
you're gonna have some plays where you know, the d
line might might get a good rush and they might
get in there and you got to take a sack
(10:26):
and keep two hands on the ball and let you know,
you know, let uh you know, what's his Dixon or
punter do his thing back there? You know that's one
uh and uh yeah, just just very you know, being
very smart, situationally aware, I think is the biggest thing
that kind of you know, turned my game into into
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being kind of you know, here and there hitt and
missed to to playing consistent football.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Gotta love a guy coming in day one and know
one who is punter sure is shouting out his punter
you hear it might go nice And that's that's a
defensive minded head coach has got to love a quarterback like, look,
you want your quarterback to be explosive and do awesome things.
But if you're a defensive guy, like you want a
quarterback who's willing to say, hey, you know what, sometimes
we just got to eat it here and live to
fight another day and let our defense do his thing.
(11:12):
And look we you know, we're talking a lot about offense,
because that's all the moves that the Seahawks, you know,
the big move's been that.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
But you got to look at like what this defense
did last year. The guys they retained in Jared Reed,
Nurnest Jones, the guys they're adding, like DeMarcus Lawrence. They're
expecting that defense to be really damn good this year.
And if you can do that, you don't need Sam
Darnold to come in and be just somemon saying, you know,
light up the scoreboard.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
It's the stuff he talked about, is being smart. It's
doing that stuff that sometimes quarterbacks need time to learn.
It's it's hard to come to the league as this
highly touted guy. You lit up the college football and
you're the top number three pick and all that. It's
hard to then say like, Okay, sometimes I got to
check it down, all right, I gotta take this sack
or all that. So you know he's learned those lessons
and he put it to good use last year.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
But and there's both on that one. Everybody needs to
learn that lesson, right, there were a number of times
I can think of in the last season or two
where Seattle players were trying to extend that play only
to end up having the ball come out or having
it knocked out, or you're fighting just a little bit
too long. That recognition from the quarterback I think does
(12:17):
trickle down. I also think this is part of the
conversation about understanding what offensive scheme you were in, because
you know what the answer is the next time you're
on offense and what the Seahawks are looking for. And
it's the InVogue thing to say, it's the complimentary football,
right if the defense is going to be that good,
I just I can't have you going three and out
all the time and putting them in bad spots. But
(12:40):
go ahead and let them take over the game when
it's necessary. If you need to kind of regroup a
little bit on offense, that's fine to me. Bringing in
Clint Kubiak and having a system that Darnold is used
to for the last few years. That makes a huge
difference because Kubiak knows his system understand and says philosophy's
(13:01):
very very well, can communicate it down the line, and
I think all of that helps settle an offense into
knowing what they can and can't take or give on
any sort of player drive.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, exactly, And when you have a quarterback who's gonna know.
I mean, look, what Kobeak is doing now is not
gonna be exactly the same, but there's so much overlap
in what you know before Niners were doing when he
was there, what Minnesota's doing.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's all part of that.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
You know, West Coast, Shanahan Tree, and you know, compared
to last year, when you're assembling an offensive staff pretty
much from scratch, guys who didn't work together, and now
you know you're going to have Rick Dennison, John Benton,
all these guys who have worked with Clint Kubiak, who've
all been in this offense and various versions of this offense,
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and then a quarterback who knows it. I just think
it's going to be much more cohesive this year.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
And you bring in a guy like Cooper Cup to
go along with JSA and you bring in another vets
to kind of help with that.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I think you are setting them up to succeed. It's
interesting when you look at those deep ball stats because
I look at this wide receiving core and go, oh,
maybe we're not going to go downfield quite as often
just because of the type of receivers that they are.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
But I'm pretty sure it's going to open up stuff downfield.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Well, and that's why you bring in a Marquez Baldos
Scanty too. Look, he's not a guy who's like put
up insane numbers in his career, but you look at
what he did his whole career. Has been a deep
threat guy, big play guy. I guess career averages around
twenty yards of catch. He was over twenty two yards
of reception in his eight games with New Orleans and
Clint Kubiak when he went there in the second.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Half of last season.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
And even if he's a guy that's not getting the
ball a ton every game, he can stretch that, you know,
just go stretch field vertically make things happen for a
guy like Cooper Cup and JSN underneath.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Well, because I know a lot of people are saying, yes,
Sam Darnald got those numbers, but you also had Justin
Jefferson in that wide receiving course.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
So what happens with that? And he is pretty good.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
But in general, going back to Kubiak, the scheme's a
good fit for Donald and it's a fit for the
players that the Seahawks are bringing in.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
Yeah, obviously, you know, working with Clint a little bit
in San Francisco, very familiar with the scheme, ran some
very very similar concepts last year in Minnesota as well,
and uh yeah, just you know, even getting to talk
to Clint a little bit, you know, on Wednesday, just
being very very excited just about this opportunity and just
(15:25):
to just to be able to collaborate, I think is
the biggest thing. Like, you know, there's variations of the
same system that kind of go around the NFL, and
being in one of those last year and kind of
getting to morph a little bit of that with obviously
most of the stuff that that you know, we did
in San Francisco, and then I know he grew on
his system a little bit last year in New Orleans.
(15:45):
So again just just very I know, I keep using
this word, but very excited to to just get rolling
on on kind of what this system, what the offense
is gonna look like next.
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Speaker 4 (16:17):
Excited is the word he keeps coming back to.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I've actually said it a couple of times. Is there
a better word to describe what you are anticipating from
the Seahawks offense?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I mean use the word complimentary.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I'll go borrow, you know, the favorite word of the
last head coach here in balance. I think that's you
know what, when we go back and look at when
this offense wasn't working last year, so often it was
they you know, they couldn't run the ball, or they
just weren't running the ball. And I just think, you
know the history of this scheme, all the different teams
are running variants of you know, the Mike Shanahan offense
(16:57):
slash Kyle Shanahan slash Sean mcvagh. However you want to
find it, it's you know, those teams run the ball,
and they run it well, and they can you know,
go lean on that when they need it, and it
just creates so much so that you know, when I
look at what Clint Kubiak is going to bring and
the players they have, that's what really just gets me
to borrow. Sam Darnolds were excited about twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know, you talk about a team that can run
the ball, and it brings us back to Cooper Cup.
Not because he's a running back, because he's the wide receiver,
but in twenty twenty one, he was the Offensive Player
of the Year.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
He was the Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Rams had a run game like everybody had a run game,
but somehow he was still the one that managed to
step up in relationship.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I thought you were talking right. He could run block
because that's what he could run block. That's time he's done,
awfully done to mix it up.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well, he's a pretty large person. I'm very excited him there.
I did cover him in college and I go talk
some big sky. He was a man among boys. Yes,
they had some boy they had some fun Eastern Washington
teams over there. You know the name that we actually
have not mentioned before we get back to Sam Darnold
to close things out, DeMarcus Lawrence eleven seasons with the Cowboys.
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I looked at that come across my phone and that
was like, how how did we get him out of Dallas?
Yeah for one thing, but a four time pro bowler
and we were talking before we hit record on this episode.
He's not going to be your every down guy.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I mean I love this edition because for a guy
who's been in the league this long and who is
coming off injury, you know, he say he's fully healthy,
the foot injuries behind him, But you don't need him
to come in and be a guy playing seventy percent
of the snaps, being on the field all the time.
You know, he's a guy you're bringing in to add
to a really solid edge group already with guys like
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Chenna boy mof and Derek Hall.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And you know you might add.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
More to that, whether it's draft or further efreegency, but
you know those guys can carry a lot of the
workload and then Lawrence can come in and he can
be a.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Guy that he's always been disruptive.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
He's a really good run defender, you know, anytime we
talk about that position, we look at the sac numbers
and he's had some really good sack scenes. But he
can also stop the run really well. So yeah, I
think he's just a great, great addition. He should, you know,
be a good veteran presence in that position group and
in the locker room as well. So in Dirty obviously
knows him well, and you know, he made the Pro
Bowl twice with Dirday as his line coach. So I
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just you know, again going back to some of these
New Orleans guys they brought in, or you know, Kubiak connections,
however you want to call it. I think in free agency,
when you you know, you get to know the you
don't have a lot of time to get to know
the guys you're you're trying to evaluate, you know, what
you see on tape and what you've heard about him.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
But if you've got some of the.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Building that really has a relationship, that that can help
that decision making quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And it is important to note that we are not
seeing the final picture. There is still a draft coming up.
There are still the potential.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
We're a week into free agency, like, there's still a
lot of good players out there.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
There's other moves that can happen.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
There's a draft, so it's you know, and when people
want to look at certain position groups.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Offensive line, we know, wondering about that.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Like I'm sure that we're going to have updates somewhere
along the line.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I think it was both John Schneider and Mike McDonald
made comments onlines like well, you know, we're not playing
a game tomorrow, like they've got some time to add
to that, and all over the roster.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Really, and here's what we know for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Sam Darnold already has his eye on getting better in
twenty twenty five. I know that he doesn't have a
whole lot of teammates right now to throw to. Maybe
he's doing some sort of camps, but until they actually
get to organize team activities, here's what he's going to
be working on heading towards, heading towards the season.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Yeah, I think, you know, I kind of look at
those last couple of games, you know, I think being
able to get the ball out a little bit quicker
on some of the dropback stuff that we had those
last couple of games, and understanding where the outlets are
and even if a guy's covered, like even if my
back's covered on a checkdown, like just throwing it at
his feet. You know, I felt like I was taking
some unnecessary sacks last year, especially those last few games,
(20:57):
and just going to continue to work that however I
can in drills and drill settings, you know, uh, you know,
early early April and even even you know later this March,
but you know, when we start to get into those
team periods and start to get into training camp a
little bit, I'll definitely be you know, thinking about that,
keeping two hands on the ball in the pocket at
(21:18):
all times, and I'm just doing all the little fun
fundamental things you know, and uh, and I think, but
that's a big one is being able to just get
the ball out on time.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
You know what I need to work on John being
able to identify Sam Donald's voice without having somebody introduce that.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I know, I was like, what I'm starting of the
press conference. I was like, wait, what who am I
listening to right now? Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, you'll get there, Yeah, I'll get there. That is
going to be one of the things I know we
need reps, he needs reps. I you know, it's the
off season. We all have things to work on. What
do you what do you think the next big story
is going to be that you write? I know I'm
going to put you on the spot. What do you
think the next big one is?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Big one?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I mean, there's gonna give me a little one, but
people don't really want to know about it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I mean, look, there's gonna be seahawks dot.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Com those where you can go to find everything.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
There's gonna be signings obviously between you know now next week,
and you know there's guys reportedly visiting today, so who
knows when it will be there. You know, signings will
be happening. But big story, I don't know. Some fun
draft stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That's yeah, that's gonna be really think.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Draft five picks in the first ninety two, that's.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I'm gonna skip over the fact that John's playing that
close to the best because I'm sure he's working on something.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Something's cooking.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
But you know, I know all that Why that's why
you need to make sure that you are tuned in
on Seahawks dot Com and we will bring you all
of the news you need to know during the off
season as we head towards twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
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