June 12, 2025 • 27 mins
Mike and Wes call it a wrap on minicamp and the offseason by discussing WR Bo Melton doing drills at cornerback (:29), WR Mecole Hardman making a strong impression (4:08), the depth chart's current items of interest (11:51), and backup QB Malik Willis settling into his second year in Green Bay (19:40).
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always
by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. Coming to you here
from our studios at lambeau Field for our final show
of the off season, as the Packers are wrapping up
Mini camp this week, which wraps up their off season
program and Wes a lot of topics to get to here,
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but a couple that involve some stories that we've written
there on packers dot com for those who want to
read catch up on the details. A really interesting piece
of news on Tuesday, when the players are going through
the individual drills, they're separated into all the different position groups,
and suddenly Number eighty in a white jersey is working
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with all of the cornerbacks in their green jerseys during
individual drills, and we are all on the sidelines going,
what in the world is going on? Well, bou Melton.
They're experimenting a little bit here with bou Melton, the
wide receiver and maybe maybe also a cornerback.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
What I enjoyed the most about that is it's not
uncustomary to see the defensive backs and receivers working together
during individual periods. I remember all the times for years
it would be like Jyry, Alexander Romeo Dobbs be working
off to the side together because they weren't involved in
the special teams period or whatever. So I wasn't sure
at first. It was, Hey, does Bou Melton have to
go down there because they're going to try to run
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a specific type of route stem against the corners. And
then next thing you know, it's like, oh, no, Bo
Melton's in a back pedal right now, I dude, every
I said this in three things, but it seems like
almost every year there's something that catches your eye. Right, Yeah,
Alex Magoo going from quarterback to wide receiver. You go
back twelve years ago, Mike Neil showing up for training
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camp thirty pounds later than he ended the previous season. Yeah,
mini camp from the previous season, and James Looney moving
from defensive line to tight end, and the Packers have
done some Herb Waters going from receiver to cornerback. A
lot of different things that have happened over the time here,
but this one's a little bit different because, as Bo said,
he is a receiver, he is a wide receiver. This
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whole experiment they're doing was made with the idea that
he is still going to be a wide out. Now
that being said, if it works, it works to use
Bo's own language, So some interesting backstory to this. Obviously,
his younger brother, Max, was a second round pick pick
plays cornerback for the Arizona Cardinals. They saw each other
last year in that Week six matchup between the two teams.
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Bo mentioned he played two ways like a lot of
high school kids do, you know, back in his early
football days, but you know, kind of flirted with cornerback
a little bit when he got on campus at Rutgers,
but ultimately they kept him at receiver and that's where
he's played in the NFL up and at this point
he's been in Green Bay now for two and a
half years. So we'll see where it all goes. But certainly,
when you're looking for different storylines to follow during a
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mini camp in June, there's not a whole heck of
a lot else going on. Bull Melton was a very
popular man in the Packers interview room on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, it's been an interesting, interesting topic to discuss this week,
and as you said, we will see where this goes,
it's the kind of thing that, at least right now,
for me, and maybe it's because I'm the old curmudgeon here,
it's not something I take too seriously at this point.
And by saying I'm not taking it seriously, I'm not
saying that it's some kind of a jokeror whatever. But
I'm just looking at it as this is highly experimental
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in what they're doing. Now, if we get to training
camp and they're putting on pads in training camp and
Bull Melton is taking eleven on eleven reps at cornerback,
or if he gets into a preseason game at cornerback
and he's out there guarding somebody at wide receiver in
the third or fourth quarter of a preseason game in August,
now we're having a different discussion about exactly what his
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path potentially to a roster spot is. So very much
wait and see to to see where this ends up going.
But certainly an interesting story. Another one we've talked about
him a little bit on the show. Mkole Hardman, the
free agent wide receiver who was signed by the Packers.
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It was about a week to ten days or so
into free agency, like right in that range and he
has made I guess I would say probably the two
biggest highlight reel plays of the first two practices of
Mini Camp. As the time we're recording this, we haven't
gotten out to the practice field for the final Mini
Camp practice yet, but the two minute drill at the
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end of each practice has been really the only eleven
on eleven that's been full speed and competitive, not at
the three quarter jog through type of speed. And at
the end of those two minute drills, Mikole Hardman has
made a couple of amazing plays with Sean Clifford at quarterback,
kind of a desperation fourth down or or last play
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with the clock running out kind of thing. He's amidst
all these bodies in the middle of the end zone
and jumps up and hauls in Clifford's pass one hand
for a touchdown. And then on Tuesday, he's in the
two minute drill with the number one offense in Jordan Love,
and Love gets off an incredible throw against the blitz
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and Hardman with his speed has beaten the defense deep
and you know, runs under a perfectly thrown ball right
over the shoulder, takes to the house, ends up, you know,
right around a seventy five yard touchdown. And you know,
with what's going on in this receiver room, we've talked
about it so much, with the guys coming back. You
sign a guy like Hardman, you spend two of your
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first three draft picks at wide receiver, it's gonna be
unbelievably competitive through training camp in the preseason to see
how this roster shakes out. But man, McCole Hardman, you
can't make a better impression in June than a veteran
guy coming into a brand new team and what he's
showing out there on the field right now.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And it's absolutely stacked and loaded position right So for
Hardman signing and then the Packers drafting in the first round,
in the third round guys at his position, that looks
like an arduous journey to trying to make a roster spot.
But it almost in some ways, even though Hardman has
a lot of pelts on the walls, a three time
Super Bowl champion, in some ways it almost reminds me
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of you know, back in twenty eighteen, Packers drafted three
wide receivers, but yet Jake Kumero still made himself undeniable
and ends up making the roster right at the end
of that camp. I mean, the Packers have shown time
and time again that if you make the plays, they
will make room for you. And mcole Hardman when it
comes to making positive first impression was very visible out
on the field on both Tuesday and Wednesday. What impressed
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me the most about that second catch when it was
ultimately a seventy three yard touchdown pass, which, like you mentioned,
the Sean Clifford play was at the end of a
two minute It was the last play they barely got
the snap off fourth down in nineteen or eleven whatever.
It was well play that they were able to pull
off with Jordan Love was also with the offense up
against it way back in their own territory after a sack.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And Halfley was coming after him. He was sending, he
was sending blitz's play after play in that two minute drill.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It was.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It was pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, I mean, and that was one of the things too.
Xavier McKinney wasn't ranging in the center field. He blitzed
once got a sack. Was part of the other package. Yeah,
Lucas van Espien right up there in Love's face, a
little bit of debate about whether or not he got
home or not. But for Love to be able to
unfurl that pass and for Hartman to look through traffic,
he had both Evan Williams and Gregory Junior on him
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pulling that ball in and keeping his stride. It could
not have worked out any better when it comes to plays.
As far as covering mini camp in the heart of
the offseason program, it's about as pretty as you're gonna find.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah. And I want to say a couple of things too,
with regard to McCole Hardman and his professionalism. He actually
didn't have any idea when he signed that he was
going to be the oldest wide receiver in that position group.
That actually kind of surprised him.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But in Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, and I detail some of this in the story
that I have up on packers dot com. So he signs.
I believe it was March twentieth when when the signing
was official, So a little more than a month later,
the Packers draft two wide receivers in the first three rounds.
Not exactly the situation he thought he was walking into
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in terms of trying to make the roster, because the
Packers didn't sign any of the big name wide receivers
in those first few days of free agents. They end
up getting him sort of in Week two of free agency,
but then they invest two of these top draft picks,
two of the high draft picks at wide receiver. But
what does Hardman do. He actually texts both of those guys,
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Matthew Goldman Saveon Williams, like, you know, and Hardman hasn't
even been in Green Bay, but he texted them like, hey,
congratulations on getting drafted, you know, welcome to Green Bay.
Like let you know, hey, let's go, let's do this.
I mean, you can't you can't be more professional than
that to reach out to these guys that you're going
to be competing with and guys that you didn't even
know you were going to be competing with, and extending
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sort of like that you know, that veteran hand to
say to say, hey, let's you know, let's go, let's
do this together. The other thing I'll say from that
Monday practice, he makes the great one handed catch in
traffic in the end zone on a throw from Sean
Clifford McCole. Hardman's a seven year veteran who's got three
Super Bowl rings and scored an overtime touchdown in the
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Super Bowl to win one one of the most historic
touchdowns in NFL history. But he's not out there saying
what am I doing out here with the number three quarterback?
In a two minute drill? What does he do? He
goes out there, makes a play. You know, that's the
professionalism of a player like McCole Hardman. And while I
don't think there's any guarantee because of how crowded things
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are and you never know how these things are going
to sort themselves out with the roster, there's certainly no
guarantee that Mikole Hardman makes the fifty three. At the
end of training camp. It will be a fight, it
will be a battle, But you can't deny how professional
this guy is and what he has brought since he
arrived in Green and.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
The fact that he was as steadfast as he was.
There's sometimes guys will get drafted at a player's position.
They'll go to the front office and be like, hey,
I want to do something different. I just signed here.
That was under this It was under this standpoint. Now
I want to go try to test the market again.
We've seen that happen in places, but for Hardman, and
credit to him that he's willing to go that extra
mile prove that I'm going to show everybody that I
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can still do this thing at the highest level. And
also it comes as no surprise to me whatsoever. I
was talking to Kelsey Joan Tihan, our former social media
intern here who's now the social media manager of the
Kansas City Chiefs. Congratulations on that, Kelsey. Actually, Morgan Wallen
even wrote a song about her at one point as well. Really, okay,
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be that as it may. Kelsey had told me the
moment the day, within hours of the Packers signing Hardman,
She's like, you are absolutely gonna love this guy. Now,
we unfortunate we haven't been in the locker room because
of the renovations of the construction, so we haven't been
around these players as much as we usually have in
the spring and summer. Yeah, but that type of reference point,
and then hearing him speak and address the media on Wednesday,
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how comfortable he is in his own shoes. You can
tell that this is going to be a very popular
influence and a guy. I think that's going to be
a good addition to this locker room.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah. I want to get to a few more takeaways
from Mini camp in a minute, but I'll take care
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All right. As I mentioned before, aside from the two
minute drills at the end of practice, when they have
been doing the eleven on eleven what are called the
team periods, they haven't been going full speed. It hasn't
been fully competitive. It's been more of the jog through
the three quarter speed teaching speed whatever you want to
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whatever you want to call it. So there isn't a
lot in terms of evaluation. But what we do as
reporters is we're sort of we're watching personnel because it
gives you at least a little bit of an idea
of where things are with the depth chart and when
certain guys are injured and not practicing you're watching who's
stepping you know who's stepping up and filling in so
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one depth chart item. I just want to point out,
and I don't want to make too big a deal
of it because it is only June and and training
camp will will certainly decide things. But with Aaron Banks,
the free agent left guard, not practicing in mini camp,
the guy who has been playing left guard with the
number one offensive line this week has been Donovan Jennings,
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and I find that interesting. It's one of those things
you make you make a note of it because because
last year, when Elton Jenkins went down with the shoulder
stinger or whatever you want to call it in the
playoff game, it wasn't Donovan Jennings that the Packers turned
to in that moment. They turn turned to some other guys.
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And the fact that that's the spot he's in right
now in mid June, I think it's something that's worth watching.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, Donovan Jennings was actually the undrafted rookie that I
had my eye on last year, heard a lot of
positive things about him coming out of South Florida, but
unfortunately it was injured for most of the offseason program.
Right early in training Camp ends up spending the entire
season on the practice squad, and credit to him, decided
to stick on with the futures contract afterwards, and now
he's getting that opportunity once again. A very gregarious, pleasant fellow.
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We still haven't had a chance to really get to
know him very well, but from everything that I've gathered,
and he comes with serious credentials at that guard position.
And when we talk so much about the Day three
picks and the Packers finding guys in seventh round that
could potentially become NFL players, we often overlook their history
at the undrafted route as well. I mean, when you
think back to the Lane Taylors of the world, a
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really productive, hyper competitive guy out of Oklahoma State that
just didn't quite have all the measurables that NFL scouts
wanted to see, but then ends up playing eight nine
years in the NFL because he's just a football player.
So Jennings getting this shot, and you remember, there's there's
still a lot of depth there even without Aaron Banks
on the field. You know, you have Kadem Telford last
year was on the roster all season. They didn't turn
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to him at that spot. They didn't look at some
of these other guys. They said, hey, we're going to
take an extended look here at Jennings and certainly any
of those reps you can get, even if they is
the non contact, you know, shell practices of the offseason, right,
those are still a chance to make an impression and
show the coaches how far you've how far you've come.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, any other depth chart items that have caught your
eye this week as the off season program reps up.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I think one thing. Oh okay, so two different parts
of this. The first one is, and I've talked about
this is when we've been discussing the cornerback situation, you're
seeing the wheels turn with the Packers mind and in
Jeff Hafley's mind with how these cornerbacks are going to go.
And you've talked about in some of your content with
Javon Buller being that nickel type cornerback option as well,
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depending on where Nate Hobbs is playing, and in this case,
Hobbs wasn't on the practice field on Wednesday when we
were out there, so that afforded Bullard some spot, some
snaps in the slot. You have Keishawn Nixon that can
play inside or outside. So while people I understand that,
you know, they're a little bit nervous, a little bit
concerned about what's all going to happen there. We were
talking with Evan Williams in the interview room on Wednesday
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and he said he has no concerns whatsoever with this
cornerback room based on what the proven guys have shown
in the versatility of all those individuals. The packers can
move around a lot of pieces there if that's what
they want to do. And if I may close on this,
you mentioned mchole Hardman earning opportunities. You know, doesn't matter
if he's with the threes or the twos. What happens
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a lot of times he makes a big play in
a twos threes period and in the two minute what
happened the next day, Mike, he was working with the.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Ones exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That's that's what it comes down to. Matt Lafleur said
at the podium, He's like, a lot of this is
just finding people and giving them an opportunity. We're not
reading too much into this with you know, we're just
we're just trying to get a look at guys. But
the more you make an impression with those looks. That's
where you get into the second week of training camp.
That's where get the family night. That'shere you get to
that first preseason game against the Jets where now, okay,
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you start to see the pieces really start falling into
place and who's really separating himself from the pack.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, And the other the other note I'll make with
regard to kind of depth chart that has sort of
I think it's sort of been under the radar a
little bit and maybe it'll get more attention in training camp.
But obviously there's gonna be so much attention on the
competition at wide receiver and Jordan Morgan battling with Rashid
Walker at left tackle, with Sean Ryan at right guard
for starting spots there and those those are gonna be significant,
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no doubt about it. But watching watching the rotation, uh
with the edge rushers, Yes, but you said that any camp, yep,
this week because most of the time when it's when
it's the first unit, the two edge guys are Rashaan
Gary and lukecaus Faness. But we have seen, we have
seen some reps where kings Leannigbari is across from Hershawn
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Gary or Brenton Cox Junior is across from Lucas van Ness.
I saw one yesterday where Baron Surrell, the rookie fourth
round draft pick, was across from Hershawn Gary. So the
Packers are going to want, in need a rotation of
those edge rushers. They want to have a lot of
depth there. But what exactly is the pecking order going
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to be at the end of training camp and as
the Packers head into week one. I think that's a
story that's worth watching because we're seeing a lot of
mixing and matching going on here in the spring.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It is And the one thing I did take away
from though, I mean, Lucas Vans is going to get
every opportunity to show that he can own that starting
spot across from Hershauan Gary, Hunter Pursu's rotations have all
been starting with Vanas. In addition to the fact that
when you get to some of the two minute periods
with the dime or the pass nickeled formations, it's Ben
Gary lining up as a three ticket. It's Ben Lucas
Vans finally doing that after two years of us talk
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talking about it.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, some shifting around, Yeah, that he's starting.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
To get some of those opportunities those NASCAR looks, as
Dom Capers used to call, the where we have a little
bit more speed on the field and not so many
defensive linemen. The Packers have a ton of options at
their edge rushing position right now. I think, you know
Brenton Cox junior the way that he finished last year.
Baron Sourrell has had a sack already in the team
periods that we've watched, So yeah, seeing who emerges from
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that is going to be very interesting. In addition to
the fact with Quay Walker not practicing right now, with
some injuries things going on, You've seen Tyron Hopper calling
the defense. You've seen Edgrin Cooper calling the defense. We're
seeing a lot of Isaiah Simmons in the number one periods.
The Packers know Isaiah McDuffie can handle those responsibilities, but
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they're now giving some of those younger guys an opportunity
to show that they can, you know, wear that headset
as well.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And I should say, with regard to the edge rusher situation,
that another rookie draft pick, Colin Oliver, he has not
been practicing. He's been in the rehab group, an unspecial
fight injury. They don't you know, reveal injury details at
this stage of the off season, but certainly another guy
to watch come training camp, assuming everything's going to be
okay there, But we have not seen him on the
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practice field this week. Last thing I want to get
to before before we go. You and I have talked
about you and I have talked about this on the sideline,
and I saw you made You've made some comments on
social media that very much echoed some things that were
going through my head. No, no, not exactly on the
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football field.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Oh okay, I thought they were just talking like shit.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But I have gained through just getting to watch two
OTA practices over the last couple of weeks and then
mini camp practices this week, I have gained a new appreciation,
which is kind of hard to believe because of what
happened last year, but I will say I've gained a
new appreciation for just how savvy a move it was
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by the Packers personnel department in how they acquired Malik
Willis as the backup quarterback for this football team. Now,
I mean, this is a guy who you know, he
won two games as a starter last year, a third
game in relief and almost won a fourth game in
relief at the end of the season. But from our
perspective as reporters, like he got here so late that
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we didn't see Malik Willis in any eleven on eleven
in practice because once the regular season starts, reporters don't
get to watch the eleven on eleven in practice. So
this offseason ots in mini camp is the first time
we've seen Malik Willis take snap after snap in practice
and do his thing out there. And I could not
be more impressed with just how the ball comes out
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of his hand with just his command and poise and everything.
And this is a guy who he's you know, he's
been able to use this offseason to obviously get to
a different place in the Packers offense than where he
was when he first derive. But my goodness, the for
the Packers, for the Packers' personnel department, I mean, I
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don't know exactly who it was, and maybe I'll get
a chance to ask Gooty sometime, and maybe it was
Gooty himself, But whoever was watching what was going on
last summer, and they they sensed and they knew that
Malik Willis was falling out of favor in Tennessee and
was not going to make that team, and they pounced
and offered a seventh round draft pick. Rather because the
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Packers weren't high enough in the waiverclaim order to wait
for him to be released and try to claim him.
A quarterback like that, it's going to get clean before
the Packers would have a shot. They pounced on the opportunity.
They jumped on it. They offered a seventh round pick
and brought this guy in here, and man, oh man,
I'm telling you, like what we've seen, what we've seen
from him on the practice field, getting to getting to
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see him more of in a day after day type
of type of thing, I couldn't be I couldn't be
more impressed with that acquisition by the Green Bay Packer.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
In the job that Tom Clements did last year, being
able to get him up to speed as quickly as
they did, and for Matt Lafleur to build a winnable
game plan with him. I mean, you remember he'd did
he did all this stuff in a matter of weeks
that he had to win those games that and that
was the difference really in the Packers season. If you
think back on it. I mean being able to get
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off to the start that they did, and him kind
of stemming the tide there until they got Jordan Love
back the guy. I said this in Twitter yesterday. The
more I watch him, the less I understand why the
Titans were so hot about getting him out of Nashville.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, don't. I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And again I'm gonna say the difficult part out loud here.
This is when people are always like, hey, you need
a veteran backup quarterback, and I've always pushed back against that.
Ye look at what happened in Tennessee last year. They
signed Mason Rudolph. And to be honest with you, I
don't cover the Titans. I don't know their front office.
I had no idea why they signed Mason Rudolph last year.
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But if you look at how they handled the preseason,
and Willis has talked about it as well as a
training camp, he was clearly the number three. They'd really
zeroed in on Mac and Rudolph being the backup. I
don't know what the circumstances were there. I don't Every
situation is different. I think the Packers have a really
good process here for developing and training quarterbacks with Matt Lafleur.
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But for them to ship him out and then end
up with the number one overall pick and then draft
a quarterback again, it just it's mind boggling to me
from Green Bay standpoint, it was a godsend. And here's
the other aspect of it too, Mike, we know how
quarterbacks are going the NFL. If Malik Willis puts together
a decent training camp, puts together a decent preseason, good,
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doesn't even have to play the way he did last year,
but solid, he's going to get a contract next year.
It's just the way that position goes, and those contracts
for quarterbacks are going up. Daniel Jones got fourteen million
dollars this past year from Indianapolis. Do you know why
that matters? For the compensatory formula that could put you
right up to the top of the list for a
potential third round. So when people were asking all off
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season about well they trade Malik Willis, why this is
the perfect insurance policy. In addition to the fact that
now he gets to be here, he has a good
working relationship with Jordan Love. You don't have to fast
forward through every great moment. Sometimes take a second to
enjoy them. Yeah, this is a really good position for
green Bay to be in, and Malik Willis calming. We
talked so much about Brandon McManus settling down the kicking job.
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What Malik Willis did behind Jordan Love last year does
not get talked about nearly enough.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, and I'm very curious to see after the twenty
twenty five season what opportunity Malik Willis lands for himself
to potentially become a starting quarterback in this league again.
Because man, the tools, the tools are there and on
the pois green Bay. Green Bay was a green Bay
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was a nice fresh start for him, a reset in
terms of coming in and knowing exactly where he fits.
And he's the backup, he's the number two and he
found found and had success. Yes, right away, When Malik
Willis gets his next fresh start, that's going to be
worth watching. There's no doubt in my mind about.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
That very much. So you and I need to get
to practice. I want to get out of here right now.
I know Justin Alan, who's back. If you ever, if
you're a big viewer of Packers on scripted, Justin's back
as our producer after a one year sabbatical down in
South Bend, Indiana, we brought him back, so justin happy
to have you here. But I also want to mention
this is the last day for our intern, Olivia Grover
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in the social media department. We've had some amazing interns
in my time here, but Mike dollar for dollar, pound
for pound. This past year in digital and social we
had probably my favorite crew of all time with Olivia,
with Anna Murphy Pochask who now works for Discover Osh Gosh,
also Hailey Treina and that goes out throughout the building.
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But Live did a fantastic job here with us. Anna
did a fantastic job. Hailey dealt with all of our
bogus stuff withans it. As I get older, you've been
in the seat a little bit longer than me, the
more I appreciate what you know, those kiddos give us
for that year that they're with us and UH and
then seeing them go on and spread their wings elsewhere.
(26:10):
That's how kel ct Hans started, right, That's right, well,
social media intern.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
In here now she's now she's running the running the
show in UH in Kansas City, and she's getting shout
outs from you on Packer's Unscripted.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's the best we can do. Dick Bobery likes to say,
I'm a name droper. I'm gonna drop names, but I
will say this, having Justin back, excited to have him
with us. I don't know how often he's actually going
to be working with us on the show, but having
him back in the building a fun thing as well. Well.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And he's training a new intern Hannah, Yeah, I think
going to be taking over the show. And then uh
and then yeah, she's gonna have to put up with
us for just.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
In training people. Yeah, I feel like the oldest man
on earth. All right.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Well, with that, we are gonna call it a rap
on this edition of Packers Unscripted and for the off
season on Packers Unscripted. We will be back at some point,
right around the start of training camp. We we'll be
back in these chairs. We will fire up the microphones
and the cameras and get going again. But until then,
for Wes, I am Mike, thank you for tuning in everybody,
(27:10):
and we will see you next time.
Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always
by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. Coming to you here
from our studios at lambeau Field for our final show
of the off season, as the Packers are wrapping up
Mini camp this week, which wraps up their off season
program and Wes a lot of topics to get to here,
(00:30):
but a couple that involve some stories that we've written
there on packers dot com for those who want to
read catch up on the details. A really interesting piece
of news on Tuesday, when the players are going through
the individual drills, they're separated into all the different position groups,
and suddenly Number eighty in a white jersey is working
(00:53):
with all of the cornerbacks in their green jerseys during
individual drills, and we are all on the sidelines going,
what in the world is going on? Well, bou Melton.
They're experimenting a little bit here with bou Melton, the
wide receiver and maybe maybe also a cornerback.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
What I enjoyed the most about that is it's not
uncustomary to see the defensive backs and receivers working together
during individual periods. I remember all the times for years
it would be like Jyry, Alexander Romeo Dobbs be working
off to the side together because they weren't involved in
the special teams period or whatever. So I wasn't sure
at first. It was, Hey, does Bou Melton have to
go down there because they're going to try to run
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a specific type of route stem against the corners. And
then next thing you know, it's like, oh, no, Bo
Melton's in a back pedal right now, I dude, every
I said this in three things, but it seems like
almost every year there's something that catches your eye. Right, Yeah,
Alex Magoo going from quarterback to wide receiver. You go
back twelve years ago, Mike Neil showing up for training
(01:54):
camp thirty pounds later than he ended the previous season. Yeah,
mini camp from the previous season, and James Looney moving
from defensive line to tight end, and the Packers have
done some Herb Waters going from receiver to cornerback. A
lot of different things that have happened over the time here,
but this one's a little bit different because, as Bo said,
he is a receiver, he is a wide receiver. This
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whole experiment they're doing was made with the idea that
he is still going to be a wide out. Now
that being said, if it works, it works to use
Bo's own language, So some interesting backstory to this. Obviously,
his younger brother, Max, was a second round pick pick
plays cornerback for the Arizona Cardinals. They saw each other
last year in that Week six matchup between the two teams.
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Bo mentioned he played two ways like a lot of
high school kids do, you know, back in his early
football days, but you know, kind of flirted with cornerback
a little bit when he got on campus at Rutgers,
but ultimately they kept him at receiver and that's where
he's played in the NFL up and at this point
he's been in Green Bay now for two and a
half years. So we'll see where it all goes. But certainly,
when you're looking for different storylines to follow during a
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mini camp in June, there's not a whole heck of
a lot else going on. Bull Melton was a very
popular man in the Packers interview room on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, it's been an interesting, interesting topic to discuss this week,
and as you said, we will see where this goes,
it's the kind of thing that, at least right now,
for me, and maybe it's because I'm the old curmudgeon here,
it's not something I take too seriously at this point.
And by saying I'm not taking it seriously, I'm not
saying that it's some kind of a jokeror whatever. But
I'm just looking at it as this is highly experimental
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in what they're doing. Now, if we get to training
camp and they're putting on pads in training camp and
Bull Melton is taking eleven on eleven reps at cornerback,
or if he gets into a preseason game at cornerback
and he's out there guarding somebody at wide receiver in
the third or fourth quarter of a preseason game in August,
now we're having a different discussion about exactly what his
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path potentially to a roster spot is. So very much
wait and see to to see where this ends up going.
But certainly an interesting story. Another one we've talked about
him a little bit on the show. Mkole Hardman, the
free agent wide receiver who was signed by the Packers.
(04:15):
It was about a week to ten days or so
into free agency, like right in that range and he
has made I guess I would say probably the two
biggest highlight reel plays of the first two practices of
Mini Camp. As the time we're recording this, we haven't
gotten out to the practice field for the final Mini
Camp practice yet, but the two minute drill at the
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end of each practice has been really the only eleven
on eleven that's been full speed and competitive, not at
the three quarter jog through type of speed. And at
the end of those two minute drills, Mikole Hardman has
made a couple of amazing plays with Sean Clifford at quarterback,
kind of a desperation fourth down or or last play
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with the clock running out kind of thing. He's amidst
all these bodies in the middle of the end zone
and jumps up and hauls in Clifford's pass one hand
for a touchdown. And then on Tuesday, he's in the
two minute drill with the number one offense in Jordan Love,
and Love gets off an incredible throw against the blitz
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and Hardman with his speed has beaten the defense deep
and you know, runs under a perfectly thrown ball right
over the shoulder, takes to the house, ends up, you know,
right around a seventy five yard touchdown. And you know,
with what's going on in this receiver room, we've talked
about it so much, with the guys coming back. You
sign a guy like Hardman, you spend two of your
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first three draft picks at wide receiver, it's gonna be
unbelievably competitive through training camp in the preseason to see
how this roster shakes out. But man, McCole Hardman, you
can't make a better impression in June than a veteran
guy coming into a brand new team and what he's
showing out there on the field right now.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And it's absolutely stacked and loaded position right So for
Hardman signing and then the Packers drafting in the first round,
in the third round guys at his position, that looks
like an arduous journey to trying to make a roster spot.
But it almost in some ways, even though Hardman has
a lot of pelts on the walls, a three time
Super Bowl champion, in some ways it almost reminds me
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of you know, back in twenty eighteen, Packers drafted three
wide receivers, but yet Jake Kumero still made himself undeniable
and ends up making the roster right at the end
of that camp. I mean, the Packers have shown time
and time again that if you make the plays, they
will make room for you. And mcole Hardman when it
comes to making positive first impression was very visible out
on the field on both Tuesday and Wednesday. What impressed
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me the most about that second catch when it was
ultimately a seventy three yard touchdown pass, which, like you mentioned,
the Sean Clifford play was at the end of a
two minute It was the last play they barely got
the snap off fourth down in nineteen or eleven whatever.
It was well play that they were able to pull
off with Jordan Love was also with the offense up
against it way back in their own territory after a sack.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And Halfley was coming after him. He was sending, he
was sending blitz's play after play in that two minute drill.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It was.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It was pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, I mean, and that was one of the things too.
Xavier McKinney wasn't ranging in the center field. He blitzed
once got a sack. Was part of the other package. Yeah,
Lucas van Espien right up there in Love's face, a
little bit of debate about whether or not he got
home or not. But for Love to be able to
unfurl that pass and for Hartman to look through traffic,
he had both Evan Williams and Gregory Junior on him
(07:36):
pulling that ball in and keeping his stride. It could
not have worked out any better when it comes to plays.
As far as covering mini camp in the heart of
the offseason program, it's about as pretty as you're gonna find.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah. And I want to say a couple of things too,
with regard to McCole Hardman and his professionalism. He actually
didn't have any idea when he signed that he was
going to be the oldest wide receiver in that position group.
That actually kind of surprised him.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But in Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, and I detail some of this in the story
that I have up on packers dot com. So he signs.
I believe it was March twentieth when when the signing
was official, So a little more than a month later,
the Packers draft two wide receivers in the first three rounds.
Not exactly the situation he thought he was walking into
(08:25):
in terms of trying to make the roster, because the
Packers didn't sign any of the big name wide receivers
in those first few days of free agents. They end
up getting him sort of in Week two of free agency,
but then they invest two of these top draft picks,
two of the high draft picks at wide receiver. But
what does Hardman do. He actually texts both of those guys,
(08:48):
Matthew Goldman Saveon Williams, like, you know, and Hardman hasn't
even been in Green Bay, but he texted them like, hey,
congratulations on getting drafted, you know, welcome to Green Bay.
Like let you know, hey, let's go, let's do this.
I mean, you can't you can't be more professional than
that to reach out to these guys that you're going
to be competing with and guys that you didn't even
know you were going to be competing with, and extending
(09:11):
sort of like that you know, that veteran hand to
say to say, hey, let's you know, let's go, let's
do this together. The other thing I'll say from that
Monday practice, he makes the great one handed catch in
traffic in the end zone on a throw from Sean
Clifford McCole. Hardman's a seven year veteran who's got three
Super Bowl rings and scored an overtime touchdown in the
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Super Bowl to win one one of the most historic
touchdowns in NFL history. But he's not out there saying
what am I doing out here with the number three quarterback?
In a two minute drill? What does he do? He
goes out there, makes a play. You know, that's the
professionalism of a player like McCole Hardman. And while I
don't think there's any guarantee because of how crowded things
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are and you never know how these things are going
to sort themselves out with the roster, there's certainly no
guarantee that Mikole Hardman makes the fifty three. At the
end of training camp. It will be a fight, it
will be a battle, But you can't deny how professional
this guy is and what he has brought since he
arrived in Green and.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
The fact that he was as steadfast as he was.
There's sometimes guys will get drafted at a player's position.
They'll go to the front office and be like, hey,
I want to do something different. I just signed here.
That was under this It was under this standpoint. Now
I want to go try to test the market again.
We've seen that happen in places, but for Hardman, and
credit to him that he's willing to go that extra
mile prove that I'm going to show everybody that I
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can still do this thing at the highest level. And
also it comes as no surprise to me whatsoever. I
was talking to Kelsey Joan Tihan, our former social media
intern here who's now the social media manager of the
Kansas City Chiefs. Congratulations on that, Kelsey. Actually, Morgan Wallen
even wrote a song about her at one point as well. Really, okay,
(10:54):
be that as it may. Kelsey had told me the
moment the day, within hours of the Packers signing Hardman,
She's like, you are absolutely gonna love this guy. Now,
we unfortunate we haven't been in the locker room because
of the renovations of the construction, so we haven't been
around these players as much as we usually have in
the spring and summer. Yeah, but that type of reference point,
and then hearing him speak and address the media on Wednesday,
(11:15):
how comfortable he is in his own shoes. You can
tell that this is going to be a very popular
influence and a guy. I think that's going to be
a good addition to this locker room.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah. I want to get to a few more takeaways
from Mini camp in a minute, but I'll take care
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All right. As I mentioned before, aside from the two
minute drills at the end of practice, when they have
been doing the eleven on eleven what are called the
team periods, they haven't been going full speed. It hasn't
been fully competitive. It's been more of the jog through
the three quarter speed teaching speed whatever you want to
(12:06):
whatever you want to call it. So there isn't a
lot in terms of evaluation. But what we do as
reporters is we're sort of we're watching personnel because it
gives you at least a little bit of an idea
of where things are with the depth chart and when
certain guys are injured and not practicing you're watching who's
stepping you know who's stepping up and filling in so
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one depth chart item. I just want to point out,
and I don't want to make too big a deal
of it because it is only June and and training
camp will will certainly decide things. But with Aaron Banks,
the free agent left guard, not practicing in mini camp,
the guy who has been playing left guard with the
number one offensive line this week has been Donovan Jennings,
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and I find that interesting. It's one of those things
you make you make a note of it because because
last year, when Elton Jenkins went down with the shoulder
stinger or whatever you want to call it in the
playoff game, it wasn't Donovan Jennings that the Packers turned
to in that moment. They turn turned to some other guys.
(13:13):
And the fact that that's the spot he's in right
now in mid June, I think it's something that's worth watching.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, Donovan Jennings was actually the undrafted rookie that I
had my eye on last year, heard a lot of
positive things about him coming out of South Florida, but
unfortunately it was injured for most of the offseason program.
Right early in training Camp ends up spending the entire
season on the practice squad, and credit to him, decided
to stick on with the futures contract afterwards, and now
he's getting that opportunity once again. A very gregarious, pleasant fellow.
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We still haven't had a chance to really get to
know him very well, but from everything that I've gathered,
and he comes with serious credentials at that guard position.
And when we talk so much about the Day three
picks and the Packers finding guys in seventh round that
could potentially become NFL players, we often overlook their history
at the undrafted route as well. I mean, when you
think back to the Lane Taylors of the world, a
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really productive, hyper competitive guy out of Oklahoma State that
just didn't quite have all the measurables that NFL scouts
wanted to see, but then ends up playing eight nine
years in the NFL because he's just a football player.
So Jennings getting this shot, and you remember, there's there's
still a lot of depth there even without Aaron Banks
on the field. You know, you have Kadem Telford last
year was on the roster all season. They didn't turn
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to him at that spot. They didn't look at some
of these other guys. They said, hey, we're going to
take an extended look here at Jennings and certainly any
of those reps you can get, even if they is
the non contact, you know, shell practices of the offseason, right,
those are still a chance to make an impression and
show the coaches how far you've how far you've come.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, any other depth chart items that have caught your
eye this week as the off season program reps up.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I think one thing. Oh okay, so two different parts
of this. The first one is, and I've talked about
this is when we've been discussing the cornerback situation, you're
seeing the wheels turn with the Packers mind and in
Jeff Hafley's mind with how these cornerbacks are going to go.
And you've talked about in some of your content with
Javon Buller being that nickel type cornerback option as well,
(15:06):
depending on where Nate Hobbs is playing, and in this case,
Hobbs wasn't on the practice field on Wednesday when we
were out there, so that afforded Bullard some spot, some
snaps in the slot. You have Keishawn Nixon that can
play inside or outside. So while people I understand that,
you know, they're a little bit nervous, a little bit
concerned about what's all going to happen there. We were
talking with Evan Williams in the interview room on Wednesday
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and he said he has no concerns whatsoever with this
cornerback room based on what the proven guys have shown
in the versatility of all those individuals. The packers can
move around a lot of pieces there if that's what
they want to do. And if I may close on this,
you mentioned mchole Hardman earning opportunities. You know, doesn't matter
if he's with the threes or the twos. What happens
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a lot of times he makes a big play in
a twos threes period and in the two minute what
happened the next day, Mike, he was working with the.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Ones exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That's that's what it comes down to. Matt Lafleur said
at the podium, He's like, a lot of this is
just finding people and giving them an opportunity. We're not
reading too much into this with you know, we're just
we're just trying to get a look at guys. But
the more you make an impression with those looks. That's
where you get into the second week of training camp.
That's where get the family night. That'shere you get to
that first preseason game against the Jets where now, okay,
(16:16):
you start to see the pieces really start falling into
place and who's really separating himself from the pack.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, And the other the other note I'll make with
regard to kind of depth chart that has sort of
I think it's sort of been under the radar a
little bit and maybe it'll get more attention in training camp.
But obviously there's gonna be so much attention on the
competition at wide receiver and Jordan Morgan battling with Rashid
Walker at left tackle, with Sean Ryan at right guard
for starting spots there and those those are gonna be significant,
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no doubt about it. But watching watching the rotation, uh
with the edge rushers, Yes, but you said that any camp, yep,
this week because most of the time when it's when
it's the first unit, the two edge guys are Rashaan
Gary and lukecaus Faness. But we have seen, we have
seen some reps where kings Leannigbari is across from Hershawn
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Gary or Brenton Cox Junior is across from Lucas van Ness.
I saw one yesterday where Baron Surrell, the rookie fourth
round draft pick, was across from Hershawn Gary. So the
Packers are going to want, in need a rotation of
those edge rushers. They want to have a lot of
depth there. But what exactly is the pecking order going
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to be at the end of training camp and as
the Packers head into week one. I think that's a
story that's worth watching because we're seeing a lot of
mixing and matching going on here in the spring.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It is And the one thing I did take away
from though, I mean, Lucas Vans is going to get
every opportunity to show that he can own that starting
spot across from Hershauan Gary, Hunter Pursu's rotations have all
been starting with Vanas. In addition to the fact that
when you get to some of the two minute periods
with the dime or the pass nickeled formations, it's Ben
Gary lining up as a three ticket. It's Ben Lucas
Vans finally doing that after two years of us talk
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talking about it.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, some shifting around, Yeah, that he's starting.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
To get some of those opportunities those NASCAR looks, as
Dom Capers used to call, the where we have a little
bit more speed on the field and not so many
defensive linemen. The Packers have a ton of options at
their edge rushing position right now. I think, you know
Brenton Cox junior the way that he finished last year.
Baron Sourrell has had a sack already in the team
periods that we've watched, So yeah, seeing who emerges from
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that is going to be very interesting. In addition to
the fact with Quay Walker not practicing right now, with
some injuries things going on, You've seen Tyron Hopper calling
the defense. You've seen Edgrin Cooper calling the defense. We're
seeing a lot of Isaiah Simmons in the number one periods.
The Packers know Isaiah McDuffie can handle those responsibilities, but
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they're now giving some of those younger guys an opportunity
to show that they can, you know, wear that headset
as well.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And I should say, with regard to the edge rusher situation,
that another rookie draft pick, Colin Oliver, he has not
been practicing. He's been in the rehab group, an unspecial
fight injury. They don't you know, reveal injury details at
this stage of the off season, but certainly another guy
to watch come training camp, assuming everything's going to be
okay there, But we have not seen him on the
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practice field this week. Last thing I want to get
to before before we go. You and I have talked
about you and I have talked about this on the sideline,
and I saw you made You've made some comments on
social media that very much echoed some things that were
going through my head. No, no, not exactly on the
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football field.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Oh okay, I thought they were just talking like shit.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But I have gained through just getting to watch two
OTA practices over the last couple of weeks and then
mini camp practices this week, I have gained a new appreciation,
which is kind of hard to believe because of what
happened last year, but I will say I've gained a
new appreciation for just how savvy a move it was
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by the Packers personnel department in how they acquired Malik
Willis as the backup quarterback for this football team. Now,
I mean, this is a guy who you know, he
won two games as a starter last year, a third
game in relief and almost won a fourth game in
relief at the end of the season. But from our
perspective as reporters, like he got here so late that
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we didn't see Malik Willis in any eleven on eleven
in practice because once the regular season starts, reporters don't
get to watch the eleven on eleven in practice. So
this offseason ots in mini camp is the first time
we've seen Malik Willis take snap after snap in practice
and do his thing out there. And I could not
be more impressed with just how the ball comes out
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of his hand with just his command and poise and everything.
And this is a guy who he's you know, he's
been able to use this offseason to obviously get to
a different place in the Packers offense than where he
was when he first derive. But my goodness, the for
the Packers, for the Packers' personnel department, I mean, I
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don't know exactly who it was, and maybe I'll get
a chance to ask Gooty sometime, and maybe it was
Gooty himself, But whoever was watching what was going on
last summer, and they they sensed and they knew that
Malik Willis was falling out of favor in Tennessee and
was not going to make that team, and they pounced
and offered a seventh round draft pick. Rather because the
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Packers weren't high enough in the waiverclaim order to wait
for him to be released and try to claim him.
A quarterback like that, it's going to get clean before
the Packers would have a shot. They pounced on the opportunity.
They jumped on it. They offered a seventh round pick
and brought this guy in here, and man, oh man,
I'm telling you, like what we've seen, what we've seen
from him on the practice field, getting to getting to
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see him more of in a day after day type
of type of thing, I couldn't be I couldn't be
more impressed with that acquisition by the Green Bay Packer.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
In the job that Tom Clements did last year, being
able to get him up to speed as quickly as
they did, and for Matt Lafleur to build a winnable
game plan with him. I mean, you remember he'd did
he did all this stuff in a matter of weeks
that he had to win those games that and that
was the difference really in the Packers season. If you
think back on it. I mean being able to get
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off to the start that they did, and him kind
of stemming the tide there until they got Jordan Love
back the guy. I said this in Twitter yesterday. The
more I watch him, the less I understand why the
Titans were so hot about getting him out of Nashville.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, don't. I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And again I'm gonna say the difficult part out loud here.
This is when people are always like, hey, you need
a veteran backup quarterback, and I've always pushed back against that.
Ye look at what happened in Tennessee last year. They
signed Mason Rudolph. And to be honest with you, I
don't cover the Titans. I don't know their front office.
I had no idea why they signed Mason Rudolph last year.
(22:57):
But if you look at how they handled the preseason,
and Willis has talked about it as well as a
training camp, he was clearly the number three. They'd really
zeroed in on Mac and Rudolph being the backup. I
don't know what the circumstances were there. I don't Every
situation is different. I think the Packers have a really
good process here for developing and training quarterbacks with Matt Lafleur.
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But for them to ship him out and then end
up with the number one overall pick and then draft
a quarterback again, it just it's mind boggling to me
from Green Bay standpoint, it was a godsend. And here's
the other aspect of it too, Mike, we know how
quarterbacks are going the NFL. If Malik Willis puts together
a decent training camp, puts together a decent preseason, good,
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doesn't even have to play the way he did last year,
but solid, he's going to get a contract next year.
It's just the way that position goes, and those contracts
for quarterbacks are going up. Daniel Jones got fourteen million
dollars this past year from Indianapolis. Do you know why
that matters? For the compensatory formula that could put you
right up to the top of the list for a
potential third round. So when people were asking all off
(24:01):
season about well they trade Malik Willis, why this is
the perfect insurance policy. In addition to the fact that
now he gets to be here, he has a good
working relationship with Jordan Love. You don't have to fast
forward through every great moment. Sometimes take a second to
enjoy them. Yeah, this is a really good position for
green Bay to be in, and Malik Willis calming. We
talked so much about Brandon McManus settling down the kicking job.
(24:24):
What Malik Willis did behind Jordan Love last year does
not get talked about nearly enough.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, and I'm very curious to see after the twenty
twenty five season what opportunity Malik Willis lands for himself
to potentially become a starting quarterback in this league again.
Because man, the tools, the tools are there and on
the pois green Bay. Green Bay was a green Bay
(24:49):
was a nice fresh start for him, a reset in
terms of coming in and knowing exactly where he fits.
And he's the backup, he's the number two and he
found found and had success. Yes, right away, When Malik
Willis gets his next fresh start, that's going to be
worth watching. There's no doubt in my mind about.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
That very much. So you and I need to get
to practice. I want to get out of here right now.
I know Justin Alan, who's back. If you ever, if
you're a big viewer of Packers on scripted, Justin's back
as our producer after a one year sabbatical down in
South Bend, Indiana, we brought him back, so justin happy
to have you here. But I also want to mention
this is the last day for our intern, Olivia Grover
(25:27):
in the social media department. We've had some amazing interns
in my time here, but Mike dollar for dollar, pound
for pound. This past year in digital and social we
had probably my favorite crew of all time with Olivia,
with Anna Murphy Pochask who now works for Discover Osh Gosh,
also Hailey Treina and that goes out throughout the building.
(25:48):
But Live did a fantastic job here with us. Anna
did a fantastic job. Hailey dealt with all of our
bogus stuff withans it. As I get older, you've been
in the seat a little bit longer than me, the
more I appreciate what you know, those kiddos give us
for that year that they're with us and UH and
then seeing them go on and spread their wings elsewhere.
(26:10):
That's how kel ct Hans started, right, That's right, well,
social media intern.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
In here now she's now she's running the running the
show in UH in Kansas City, and she's getting shout
outs from you on Packer's Unscripted.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's the best we can do. Dick Bobery likes to say,
I'm a name droper. I'm gonna drop names, but I
will say this, having Justin back, excited to have him
with us. I don't know how often he's actually going
to be working with us on the show, but having
him back in the building a fun thing as well. Well.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And he's training a new intern Hannah, Yeah, I think
going to be taking over the show. And then uh
and then yeah, she's gonna have to put up with
us for just.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
In training people. Yeah, I feel like the oldest man
on earth. All right.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Well, with that, we are gonna call it a rap
on this edition of Packers Unscripted and for the off
season on Packers Unscripted. We will be back at some point,
right around the start of training camp. We we'll be
back in these chairs. We will fire up the microphones
and the cameras and get going again. But until then,
for Wes, I am Mike, thank you for tuning in everybody,
(27:10):
and we will see you next time.
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