July 24, 2025 • 26 mins
Mike and Wes review the first two practices of training camp, including position rotations (4:49), early flashes by LB Isaiah Simmons and WR Mecole Hardman (9:00), QB Jordan Love’s hard count (16:07), the new locker room (21:05), and the end of Mark Murphy’s tenure (25:27).
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Packers dot Com. I and Mike Spaffer joined by my
trusted colleague Weston Hodkoitz. We're coming to you hear from
our studios at Lambeufield and wes As we are taping this.
It is Thursday afternoon. Two practices in the books from
Packers twenty twenty five training camp. We managed to avoid
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or be spared. I guess I should say the rain
that was in the forecast and the first two days
were not overly uncomfortable. There were some clouds and a
little bit of breeze, and you know, so I'm hoping
that that continues over the next month. But now I
probably just jinxed it. That being said, two days of
practice in the books. Practices are not in pads just yet,
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but I'll just throw it out to you open ended,
but rises to the top of your list in terms
of your first impressions in this Packers training camp.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And Nate Hobbs, this guy coming to Las Vegas Raiders.
You were talking about it United discussion in the locker
about it. He's a tone setter, Yeah he is. He
makes plays he tells you when he's making plays. But
the part that I thought has been most interesting about
watching him, and this goes back to OTA's in mini camp,
It isn't just these two practices.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
He is around the ball constantly.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
He's had his hands on a ton of footballs, and
he plays physical, but yet he doesn't get penalized. If
you look at those numbers, four penalties in his first
excuse me, eleven penalties in his first four seasons. This
guy can play clean, but play smart and make plays.
And there was another instance today where it looked like
Jordan Love was going to hit don Tavian wicks on
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and out here comes number twenty one into the picture.
That ball gets bounced out, and just like on Wednesday's
practice when he broke up pass for his former teammate
with the Raiders, Josh Jacobs, right in front of the media,
so we got to see the smile, we got to
hear the banter. He plays with an infectious enthusiasm, and
when you add that into the mix of a Keyshawn
(02:13):
Nixon and Xavier McKinney and a lot of really extroverted,
outgoing personalities on that defense, it's making.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
For a very confident bunch, I would say.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, And I asked Hobbs after practice on Thursday, he
spoke to some reporters at his locker. I asked him
just I'm like, dude, you're you seem to be like
really intense, like all the time out on the field.
I'm like, have you always played the game that way?
And he was just like yeah, he says, because you
gotta love this game to play it, you know. I
mean that was really it's a simple answer, but yet
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it says so much about his personality and how excited
he is to be here to be a part of
this defense. And we've seen already with the defensive backs.
You know, the whole idea of playing mix and match
and using versatility and whatnot is, you know, it's not
just lip service. Because we've seen Hobbs in the slot,
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we've seen him outside, we've seen Javon Bullard in the slot,
we've seen him playing deep safety. We've seen you know,
Valentine and Nixon rotating in doing their thing. The way
things have gone these first couple of days with the
different packages of DBS, I think is very much the
way we previewed that on our show earlier this week.
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It's there's been a lot going on in the first
couple of days because from our perspective on the sideline,
almost every play you have to double check the personnel
because they're switching things around all the time.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, they really are.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I think that showed up on Thursday as well, because
really important play of that practice where you had an
interception by Carrington Valentine and there was a lot of
people around me that were like, who tipped that up?
I'm like, oh, it was Isaiah Simmons, the Packers free
agent linebacker that they signed, all six foot four and twenty.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
And you were trying to let me know on Twitter
who it was because I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure,
and I knew it was either Simmons or Hopper who
had tipped it based on where my angle was and
how I saw it. But I wasn't one hundred percent sure,
so I didn't want to put it out there in
case I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Journalist.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, and you but you you knew you saw it
and you knew who it was.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
But it's but it's those type of plays that another
person had remarked to me during practice. One of the
uh we usually have a lot of like sales and
business development guests that are there and they're like, how
do you keep up with everything? I'm like, well, there's
no replay, so you get one shot at this that's right,
not to be wrong, and you.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Try to see it the right way.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But I felt like for the first two practices though,
and it's gone both ways. The offense won one day,
defense won another one yep, and just the the overall
energy I think has been right where Matt Lafuers wanted it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
There, the competitiveness in the eleven on eleven has been
I think right where Matt Lafleuer wants it. I noticed
on Wednesday in the first practice when they were doing
some red zone work, there's a play where Nixon is
just blanketing Romeo Dobbs on a fade to the corner,
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really good coverage pass didn't really have a chance to
get through there. But then a couple of snaps later, Dobbs,
you know, makes the inside move on the slant at
the goal line and he wins that one and gets
the touchdown. Two really really good players, Romeo Dobbs, Keishawn
Nixon going ahead to head back and forth. Jordan Love
as the quarterback. Those are the kind of you know,
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back and forth in training camp that makes it entertaining
to watch, but that also helps players get ready for
the season and helps them get better.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And to bring it back to the point you're making
a couple of minutes ago, the amount of rotations we've
seen at all these positions, even on the stationary positions
like offensive line and cornerback, the spots where typically it's
one guy one game that's their position, we've seen a
lot of guys going in and out of the line up,
a lot of versatility with how they're using the defensive front.
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You got edge rushers in three point stances and two
point stances. You have these linebackers off ball like Simmons,
like Edgern Cooper being part of the pass rush plan,
being a part of the coverage plan, and then certainly
the multitude of different offensive line combinations.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
They're working right now.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You saw with Elton Jenkins not being back yet because
of the back injury, that you have Sean Ryan, who
I asked during locker room on Wednesday if he'd ever
even played center before he got to Green Bay, and
he said, yeah, they had me do it once in
an All Star Game, but the last two years he's
learned that position. You're having Jordan Morgan competing at two
spots at both left tackle with Rashid Walker and then
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also with Ryan at right guard. And then in Thursday's practice,
Aaron Banks stops. I don't know exactly what the context was,
but he no longer practices in the team periods. I
don't wouldn't necessarily call it dropping out, but he was
pulled from all that. And here comes Travis Glover, who
was the sixth round pick last year out of Georgia State.
Now he's working with the number one. So just a
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lot of different combinations, a lot of different experience that
Green Bay is testing right now. And ultimately, these are
the things you have to do when you have a
deep roster and you want to see where guys potentially
can fit.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah. Well, we've mentioned Isaiah Simmons name a couple of times.
He got the tip on the interception by Valentine there.
He's he's made a pretty strong impression just in these
in these first couple of days. Because going back to
Wednesday's practice, there were two plays. One was a like
a pitch outside on a running play to Josh Jacobs.
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The other one was a screen pass to Josh Jacobs
and both of them, like Simmons was just he just
bolted into the backfield and was right there kind of
in you know, in Jacob's way, so to speak, like
immediately almost when when he got the ball, And it's
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one of those things that you hear. Everybody knows Isaiah
Simmons is, you know, a different type, a different kind
of athlete. He's got all kinds of speed for linebacker
that isn't normal. But this is the first time we've
actually kind of seen it in the in the eleven
on eleven and you can't miss it. I mean, it's
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just it's a it's obvious out there. He's actually in
talking with reporters at his locker after practice on Thursday.
He's looking forward to getting into the pads because I
think he feels that his speed becomes even more of
an advantage in pads because he doesn't necessarily slow down
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as much as some other guys do once the pads
go on. So there's there's a lot to watch here.
I don't know exactly what role Isaiah Simmons is going
to end up with in this Packers defense. But but man,
is this is is this an intriguing addition to to
what already is A is a pretty robust group at linebacker.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, and A first impressions go with both him and
then also Mikole Hartman has got kind of these guys
that were sort of the late signees at positions where
there's a lot of depth. They've found ways to make
themselves in their presence. Felt Yeah, I feel like not
only in these two practices, but again in the off
season program. And I'll tell you what, Mike, I'm not
a scout and I will be the first to admit
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statistics do not tell you everything. But I've had the
darnedest time trying to figure out Isaiah Simmons career and
up until he got to this point, because if you
look at what he did in Arizona those first two
and a half years, he had a ton of tackles,
he had a ton of interceptions, he had a ton
of sacks. I mean, the guy was affecting the game
based on how the stat sheet looks alone, and Arizona
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in that post Cliff Kingsbury era did not have a
role for him. He ends up getting traded to the Giants.
The Giants end up actually re signing him for an
extra season even though he'd played sparingly, and now he
finally ends up in Green Bay. And I'm telling you, man,
and I'm not trying to call Jeff Hafley the linebacker
whisper at all, but one of the big stories that
I've been pumping out a lot during the off season.
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I made it a part of the Position by position
with the Countdown of Camp series is Green Bay had
the most depth they've had, bar none in my fourteen
years covering the team. This season and even last year,
they halfley found ways to maximize all these guys' abilities.
Isaiah McDuffie was affecting the game. I mean, you saw
what kway Walker could do when he's healthy. And certainly
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Eddrian Cooper was a PFWA All Rookie team member and
a guy that made a case for being a defensive
Rookie the Year candidate. So yeah, you throw Isaiah Simmons
into the mix, you see where he could potentially fit,
but him hardman. A lot of these guys that were
sort of like the second tier conversation throughout the off
season program. I feel like they're off to some pretty
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strong starts.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well, it's interesting because when Simmons was talking with reporters
after Thursday's practice, he was not only making reference to
obviously learning a new system with Halfley's defense and whatnot,
which any newcomer has to do, but then he also
kept referencing, you know, playing a new position. And so
then I asked him, I said, okay, you keep talking
(11:07):
about new position, like, what's new about it? And he said, well,
he said, it's it's it's a new position in the
sense of the last couple of years. When he was
in New York with the Giants, he was always in
the dB Rusty was he was considered a safety. And
he says now, he says, for the first time in
three years, essentially going back to his time in Arizona,
(11:29):
he's now back in what he calls the linebacker wild
and he's in that linebacker world full time. And he's
mentioned a couple of times now. He did it in
the spring when he talked with the media, and he
did it again today talking about how his unique combination
of speed and length and agility and power, you know,
(11:50):
because he's got he's certainly got some hitting power in
that six foot four, two hundred and thirty eight pound frame.
But he was he was pegged as that v word
that you talked about on our last show as being
a buzzword, the versatility. He was the versatile guy who
can you know, can do all of these all of
these things. And he's actually talked about that as being
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more of a curse than a blessing so far in
his career. What he's really liked about coming to Green
Bay is it's not the discussions are not about his
versatility necessarily. The Packers have said, hey, here's here's a
linebacker spot. This is a new defense, like learn this,
get really good at it, you know, focus on this,
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And he really appreciates that because he said, it's not
he's not coming in and learning something new the next
day and then learning something new the day after that.
Where that's where the whole versatility thing got to be
more of a curse than a blessing for him. So
it's one of those things, you know, every every player
has to somehow find their own path, right and who knows,
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maybe maybe Green Bay in je half Lee's defense and
with the way the Packers want to use him, maybe
that's where you know, Isaiah Simmons gets a complete reset
on his career. Who knows, we don't know. It's a
pretty deep linebacker group when you're talking about Kway Walker,
who has now been pulled off pup but is not
one hundred percent cleared to be on the practice field yet.
(13:18):
But you have Walker, you have Cooper, you re signed McDuffie,
you brought back Christian Welch, You've thrown You've thrown Isaiah
Simmons into the mix. It's not as though the Packers
are hurting for linebackers, but you get the feeling that
they're going to find a role for this guy somehow,
some way.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I mean, he's being used as a flyer on specialty
on coverage too. So. But I think the one part
of it that I was really kind of looking at
when because I was with you on that when he
said that during the offseason about him spending that time
in the safeties room and with the DBS. Even if
you go back to his time in Arizona, the Cardinals
in that era were like one of the leading teams
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with the day owned Book Buchanan type linebackers.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Which are those hybrid types, hybrid.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Safety types that they built their defenses around to kind
of keep up with the faster trend of the league. Well,
what ended up happening at that time was you had
teams like Tampa Bay and you had teams like San
Francisco who they had legitimate two hundred and forty pound
linebackers who also could run, and it kind of got
to be a they went back to the fundamentals of
that position, but they just looked for faster bodies there
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and then that sort of ended that Morgan Burnett hybrid
role of those linebackers in those packages. I feel like Simmons,
for whatever reason, got sort of just kind of boxed
into that corner even during his time with Arizona. So
now he comes into a defense like Green Bay, which
is not messing around with box corners. I mean, they'll
use a strong safety, but they're not asking their safeties.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
To play the linebacker position, right.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
They're not asking Simmons to play slot cornerbacker nickel cornerback
and go out there and line up against slot receivers.
They're asking him to be an off ball linebacker. And
it feels like to me, without knowing the ins and
outs of Arizona's defense, that this is the first time
that he's really been given that up.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, and and he seems very interested and very excited
about it. So definitely a story to follow and to
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available at minards. A quick note that you had from
Thursday's practice that I think is something to watch as
training camp continues and maybe even as we head into
(16:04):
the twenty twenty five regular season. Jordan Love got a
couple guys to jump off side that whole I mean,
he learned from the Master of the hard count, right,
all that deception, but he got Hobbs, and I believe
it was Cooper on the other one. Something something to
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keep an eye on, because that's not something that Jordan
Love has necessarily been focused on in any stretch or
all that adept at. It's not something that we've noticed
a lot. But when it happens twice in one practice
and this early in training camp, it's definitely something to
keep an eye on.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, second non padded practice a training camp, and Love
has guys coming across the line and being able to
potentially get some free plays out of it. As you said,
Aaron Rodgers did it as better as best, maybe as any.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
NFL quarterback in the history of the game.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yep. And the way he was also able to use
those opportunities when he did get the free play, I mean,
that's a part of his legacy, right.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
We've talked about it for a.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Decade now, Jordan Love incorporating that into him And I
think the fun part was just the amount of laughter
that was generated on the offensive side the ball when
it happened. Guys were having a good time with it,
and it was funny that one of the guys he
drew off sides was Nate Hobbs, who, as I said
earlier in the show, so you know, eleven penalties in
four years just so irregular for him to be in
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that type of situation. But he did say, he was like,
I'm going to come back and make it up to you.
He did that, went from third and seven to third
and two, and then he broke up the pass for
Wicks on that very next play. The tit for tat
there with the offensive defense. It goes without saying, but yeah,
I think twenty six year old quarterback a maturing leader.
I think this all comes around with it, but it
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also does show his mastery for the game. I don't
know if you didn't you obviously wrote the piece, But
did you get a chance to watch the NFL Network
Top one hundred video on Jordan when he actually when
they actually.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, I did. I did glance. I did glance through.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
It, watching some of the NFL films footage of him
on the sideline and the way he carries himself. I mean,
there what I've always loved about Jordan since day one.
I think he's come out more of his shell as
a person. And as just a you know, a guy
in the locker room, but the cool, calm demeanor man
that is just you either have that or you don't.
And that man was born with it. Like just seeing
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the way he acts on the sideline. And it's not
like it's not cockiness. It's not like some type of
weird Bravado or squager, but it is like literally just
a guy being incredibly comfortable in his skin. Yeah, in
every situation, even when the pressure is at its highest.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, there's there's a self assuredness to his demeanor and
his actions that it's not something that can be taught
or coached. Either you've got it or you don't.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And you see it on the practice field now, you know,
when they're going through the no huddle periods and when
they're just calling stuff at the line of scrimmage, he's
just there's no wasted amount of time out of you know,
anxiety or worry.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Or yeah, the emotions or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
It feels like time moves in slow motion when Jordan
Love is at the controls. And I feel like that
was one of the things that Matt Lafleur and these
guys knew when they were making that transition, they were
going to be able to count back on that. So
adding that into his repertoire, making that a part of
his game now obviously it makes it makes practice is
always fun when you get a guy jumping off sides
like that.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, for sure. Well, anything else from these first couple
of practices that you think it was worth commenting on
at this point before we call it a day.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Well, first, I got to apologize to all the women
in the forty nine to sixty four demographic. They don't
get to see this hair today. It got a little
sweat outside of practice. I apologize. I was joking with
you beforehand. I think this is the first time in
ten seasons doing this show I actually wore a hat.
But that's what happens when you shoot in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, I've worn a hat a few times, just out
of necessity when we've had to shoot a show after practice,
because I need to wear a hat at practice to
kind of keep the sun off and try to protect
the the nose and the forehead from the burns a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But yeah, a very I wish I could isolate for
you one specific moment, but like, there's like eight things
I mean, you have Nathaniel Hacketts back on the coaching
staff in a consultant way. But you know, Matt Lafleur
has been doing this now where he's brought in these
veteran assistants, some of whom have had experience in Green
Bay before Luke Getzi last year. I think back to
Tim Lester when he came in for that one season
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as a senior assistant. Now as the offensive coordinator for Iowa,
Robert Sala, a close friend of the floor, came in
to assess the offense during the latter half last season.
Now Nathaniel Hackets back in an advisor type role, the
sort of the guy that was the face of the
gold zone offense, you know during those those high mark years.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Into the gold zone.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
It's free too.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, It's like I hear guys in the locker room
every once in a while they'll still say it still
comes up, still say gold zone. Yeah, it hasn't gone away.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Walking back from practice us about how that's still here.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
It's like, oh, I heard about it.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
But then also like, just look at we have a
brand new locker room.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
For the Green Bay pack.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
That was the other thing I was going to ask
you about. I know there are some cool videos on
the website. People want to check that out and the
photos and whatnot. You and I have actually been in
there now after each of the first two practices, as
somebody as somebody who has been here with Packers dot
Com since two thousand and six, which was just a
few years after the renovation, when and that locker room
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back in. You know that the mid two thousands, like
that decade was pretty darn cool and it served the
packers well for a for a long stretch. But wow,
is this, I mean, this new locker room. All you
can say is wow, it's it's it's amazing. It's amazing
to me what it looks like now compared to what
it used to look like.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
We were walking back for practice.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
We were talking to some fans and I even said
it reminded me of something out of a sci fi movie.
Yes the way, look, I'm saying that in a compliment.
I mean just the led screens, the lighting they have,
drying units and mechanisms both for the helmets and the
shoulder pads. I mean, it's just the amount of technology
that's gone into it and the thought that's gone into it.
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The guy's headshots are up there, their names are up there,
hometown's all that stuff, And it was funny. We were
talking with bou Melton. I don't know if you caught
this in the transcript. I think Jason Moldy put together
the shower system was changed too. We don't see that,
but both said, it's not just like a spickett on
top of the more now there's water.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Shooting out from the sides on that.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I mean like basically, the Packers cut no corners when
they came to elevating and adapting and renovating the locker room.
But you know, to Matt Lafleur's credit, and I wrote
this an Insider Inbox this week, he did say this
guarantees us nothing. It gives us no wins. It's a
nice luxury to have. They're thankful for it. They appreciate
the Packers' investment into it. But ultimately, the practice and
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the preparation still happens on the grass. You still have
to perform on Sundays. But I mean, who doesn't want
to feel kind of cool? Right? We have brand new
nineteen twenty three throwback uniforms. I mean, it is a
good time to be a Green Bay Packers fan and
obviously a good time to be a player as well.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, and it's it, And I will say that was
definitely the message that was delivered. I think it was
delivered to the players, but then it's also been sort
of delivered through the media by Matt Lafleur and Brian Gutukountz.
With all of this stuff going on, the new locker
room and the new throwback uniforms and all the excitement
of the start of training camp and everything like that,
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you can't lose sight of the fact as a football
team that there's a lot of work to be done.
You have to put in the work. As Brian Guducuntz
likes to say, you can't skip any steps along the way.
You can't just say because you've been to the playoffs
the last two years that it's that It's like, okay,
it's all about you know, it's all about trying to
do better in the playoffs. Well, no, you can't skip
(23:55):
any steps. You have to put in the work to
get there in the first place and to try to
get yourself in the best position possible. So this is
where it starts. There's all kinds of fun stuff going
on right now. But the message inside the walls and
certainly in those meeting rooms and in the locker room
that you know, fancy brand new locker room, is that
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there's a lot of work to be done and embrace
the daily grind because because that's what's going to get
the Packers where they want to go.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
We won't also have a chance to shoot a show
by the end of the week. Mark Murphy, his last
week on the job for the Green Bay Packers, would
be remiss if we did not quickly mention that a
credit to Mark all the innovations we've seen with the
locker room, with the NFL or you know, the coaching staff,
all of their facilities. You look at Title town, the
enormous impact he's made. Next month, we'll have another chance
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to celebrate him as he goes into the Packers Hall
of Fame. So's right standing at practice for a few
minutes today, getting a chance to talk with them very cool,
and it's it's nice for when you look at a
guy that has done what he's done for as long
as he's done it all these different levels. You know,
whether it was working in the Justice department or whether
it was being an NFLPA rep or obviously All Pro safety,
(25:08):
the guy that was a two time Division one college
athletic director, a seventeen year executive for the Green Bay Packers.
You talk about somebody who's accomplished something in his life,
Mark Murphy has done that and then some so tip
of the cap to Mark as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Absolutely, the torch officially gets passed on Friday at the
shareholders meeting from Mark Murphy to ed policy and as
you said, we'll be able to reflect on some of
that a little bit more when about a month from now,
Mark Murphy gets inducted as the sole inductee. In twenty
twenty five, Mark Murphy gets inducted into the Packers Hall
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of Fame. And that'll be a fun time as well.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
So you're gonna go to seventy? Is that your plan?
Editory editor role of the Green Bay Packers can deserve
a seventy.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Years If I'm still if I'm still editing your copy
when I'm seventy years old, something went wraw. I'll just say,
I'll just say that I don't think I don't think
I'm gonna be hanging around hanging around that long. But uh,
to those to those who do more. Power to you man.
So with that, we're gonna call it a rap on
this additional Packers unscript. I'd be sure to follow all
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of our coverage of training camp. We got five Things stories,
three Things videos feature stories on players. It's all there
for you on packers dot com for Wes, I am Mike.
Thank you for tuning in. Everybody. We will see you
next time.
Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Packers dot Com. I and Mike Spaffer joined by my
trusted colleague Weston Hodkoitz. We're coming to you hear from
our studios at Lambeufield and wes As we are taping this.
It is Thursday afternoon. Two practices in the books from
Packers twenty twenty five training camp. We managed to avoid
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or be spared. I guess I should say the rain
that was in the forecast and the first two days
were not overly uncomfortable. There were some clouds and a
little bit of breeze, and you know, so I'm hoping
that that continues over the next month. But now I
probably just jinxed it. That being said, two days of
practice in the books. Practices are not in pads just yet,
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but I'll just throw it out to you open ended,
but rises to the top of your list in terms
of your first impressions in this Packers training camp.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And Nate Hobbs, this guy coming to Las Vegas Raiders.
You were talking about it United discussion in the locker
about it. He's a tone setter, Yeah he is. He
makes plays he tells you when he's making plays. But
the part that I thought has been most interesting about
watching him, and this goes back to OTA's in mini camp,
It isn't just these two practices.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
He is around the ball constantly.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
He's had his hands on a ton of footballs, and
he plays physical, but yet he doesn't get penalized. If
you look at those numbers, four penalties in his first
excuse me, eleven penalties in his first four seasons. This
guy can play clean, but play smart and make plays.
And there was another instance today where it looked like
Jordan Love was going to hit don Tavian wicks on
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and out here comes number twenty one into the picture.
That ball gets bounced out, and just like on Wednesday's
practice when he broke up pass for his former teammate
with the Raiders, Josh Jacobs, right in front of the media,
so we got to see the smile, we got to
hear the banter. He plays with an infectious enthusiasm, and
when you add that into the mix of a Keyshawn
(02:13):
Nixon and Xavier McKinney and a lot of really extroverted,
outgoing personalities on that defense, it's making.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
For a very confident bunch, I would say.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, And I asked Hobbs after practice on Thursday, he
spoke to some reporters at his locker. I asked him
just I'm like, dude, you're you seem to be like
really intense, like all the time out on the field.
I'm like, have you always played the game that way?
And he was just like yeah, he says, because you
gotta love this game to play it, you know. I
mean that was really it's a simple answer, but yet
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it says so much about his personality and how excited
he is to be here to be a part of
this defense. And we've seen already with the defensive backs.
You know, the whole idea of playing mix and match
and using versatility and whatnot is, you know, it's not
just lip service. Because we've seen Hobbs in the slot,
(03:08):
we've seen him outside, we've seen Javon Bullard in the slot,
we've seen him playing deep safety. We've seen you know,
Valentine and Nixon rotating in doing their thing. The way
things have gone these first couple of days with the
different packages of DBS, I think is very much the
way we previewed that on our show earlier this week.
(03:30):
It's there's been a lot going on in the first
couple of days because from our perspective on the sideline,
almost every play you have to double check the personnel
because they're switching things around all the time.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, they really are.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I think that showed up on Thursday as well, because
really important play of that practice where you had an
interception by Carrington Valentine and there was a lot of
people around me that were like, who tipped that up?
I'm like, oh, it was Isaiah Simmons, the Packers free
agent linebacker that they signed, all six foot four and twenty.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
And you were trying to let me know on Twitter
who it was because I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure,
and I knew it was either Simmons or Hopper who
had tipped it based on where my angle was and
how I saw it. But I wasn't one hundred percent sure,
so I didn't want to put it out there in
case I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Journalist.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, and you but you you knew you saw it
and you knew who it was.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
But it's but it's those type of plays that another
person had remarked to me during practice. One of the
uh we usually have a lot of like sales and
business development guests that are there and they're like, how
do you keep up with everything? I'm like, well, there's
no replay, so you get one shot at this that's right,
not to be wrong, and you.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Try to see it the right way.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But I felt like for the first two practices though,
and it's gone both ways. The offense won one day,
defense won another one yep, and just the the overall
energy I think has been right where Matt Lafuers wanted it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
There, the competitiveness in the eleven on eleven has been
I think right where Matt Lafleuer wants it. I noticed
on Wednesday in the first practice when they were doing
some red zone work, there's a play where Nixon is
just blanketing Romeo Dobbs on a fade to the corner,
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really good coverage pass didn't really have a chance to
get through there. But then a couple of snaps later, Dobbs,
you know, makes the inside move on the slant at
the goal line and he wins that one and gets
the touchdown. Two really really good players, Romeo Dobbs, Keishawn
Nixon going ahead to head back and forth. Jordan Love
as the quarterback. Those are the kind of you know,
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back and forth in training camp that makes it entertaining
to watch, but that also helps players get ready for
the season and helps them get better.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And to bring it back to the point you're making
a couple of minutes ago, the amount of rotations we've
seen at all these positions, even on the stationary positions
like offensive line and cornerback, the spots where typically it's
one guy one game that's their position, we've seen a
lot of guys going in and out of the line up,
a lot of versatility with how they're using the defensive front.
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You got edge rushers in three point stances and two
point stances. You have these linebackers off ball like Simmons,
like Edgern Cooper being part of the pass rush plan,
being a part of the coverage plan, and then certainly
the multitude of different offensive line combinations.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
They're working right now.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You saw with Elton Jenkins not being back yet because
of the back injury, that you have Sean Ryan, who
I asked during locker room on Wednesday if he'd ever
even played center before he got to Green Bay, and
he said, yeah, they had me do it once in
an All Star Game, but the last two years he's
learned that position. You're having Jordan Morgan competing at two
spots at both left tackle with Rashid Walker and then
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also with Ryan at right guard. And then in Thursday's practice,
Aaron Banks stops. I don't know exactly what the context was,
but he no longer practices in the team periods. I
don't wouldn't necessarily call it dropping out, but he was
pulled from all that. And here comes Travis Glover, who
was the sixth round pick last year out of Georgia State.
Now he's working with the number one. So just a
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lot of different combinations, a lot of different experience that
Green Bay is testing right now. And ultimately, these are
the things you have to do when you have a
deep roster and you want to see where guys potentially
can fit.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah. Well, we've mentioned Isaiah Simmons name a couple of times.
He got the tip on the interception by Valentine there.
He's he's made a pretty strong impression just in these
in these first couple of days. Because going back to
Wednesday's practice, there were two plays. One was a like
a pitch outside on a running play to Josh Jacobs.
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The other one was a screen pass to Josh Jacobs
and both of them, like Simmons was just he just
bolted into the backfield and was right there kind of
in you know, in Jacob's way, so to speak, like
immediately almost when when he got the ball, And it's
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one of those things that you hear. Everybody knows Isaiah
Simmons is, you know, a different type, a different kind
of athlete. He's got all kinds of speed for linebacker
that isn't normal. But this is the first time we've
actually kind of seen it in the in the eleven
on eleven and you can't miss it. I mean, it's
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just it's a it's obvious out there. He's actually in
talking with reporters at his locker after practice on Thursday.
He's looking forward to getting into the pads because I
think he feels that his speed becomes even more of
an advantage in pads because he doesn't necessarily slow down
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as much as some other guys do once the pads
go on. So there's there's a lot to watch here.
I don't know exactly what role Isaiah Simmons is going
to end up with in this Packers defense. But but man,
is this is is this an intriguing addition to to
what already is A is a pretty robust group at linebacker.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, and A first impressions go with both him and
then also Mikole Hartman has got kind of these guys
that were sort of the late signees at positions where
there's a lot of depth. They've found ways to make
themselves in their presence. Felt Yeah, I feel like not
only in these two practices, but again in the off
season program. And I'll tell you what, Mike, I'm not
a scout and I will be the first to admit
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statistics do not tell you everything. But I've had the
darnedest time trying to figure out Isaiah Simmons career and
up until he got to this point, because if you
look at what he did in Arizona those first two
and a half years, he had a ton of tackles,
he had a ton of interceptions, he had a ton
of sacks. I mean, the guy was affecting the game
based on how the stat sheet looks alone, and Arizona
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in that post Cliff Kingsbury era did not have a
role for him. He ends up getting traded to the Giants.
The Giants end up actually re signing him for an
extra season even though he'd played sparingly, and now he
finally ends up in Green Bay. And I'm telling you, man,
and I'm not trying to call Jeff Hafley the linebacker
whisper at all, but one of the big stories that
I've been pumping out a lot during the off season.
(10:03):
I made it a part of the Position by position
with the Countdown of Camp series is Green Bay had
the most depth they've had, bar none in my fourteen
years covering the team. This season and even last year,
they halfley found ways to maximize all these guys' abilities.
Isaiah McDuffie was affecting the game. I mean, you saw
what kway Walker could do when he's healthy. And certainly
(10:24):
Eddrian Cooper was a PFWA All Rookie team member and
a guy that made a case for being a defensive
Rookie the Year candidate. So yeah, you throw Isaiah Simmons
into the mix, you see where he could potentially fit,
but him hardman. A lot of these guys that were
sort of like the second tier conversation throughout the off
season program. I feel like they're off to some pretty
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strong starts.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well, it's interesting because when Simmons was talking with reporters
after Thursday's practice, he was not only making reference to
obviously learning a new system with Halfley's defense and whatnot,
which any newcomer has to do, but then he also
kept referencing, you know, playing a new position. And so
then I asked him, I said, okay, you keep talking
(11:07):
about new position, like, what's new about it? And he said, well,
he said, it's it's it's a new position in the
sense of the last couple of years. When he was
in New York with the Giants, he was always in
the dB Rusty was he was considered a safety. And
he says now, he says, for the first time in
three years, essentially going back to his time in Arizona,
(11:29):
he's now back in what he calls the linebacker wild
and he's in that linebacker world full time. And he's
mentioned a couple of times now. He did it in
the spring when he talked with the media, and he
did it again today talking about how his unique combination
of speed and length and agility and power, you know,
(11:50):
because he's got he's certainly got some hitting power in
that six foot four, two hundred and thirty eight pound frame.
But he was he was pegged as that v word
that you talked about on our last show as being
a buzzword, the versatility. He was the versatile guy who
can you know, can do all of these all of
these things. And he's actually talked about that as being
(12:13):
more of a curse than a blessing so far in
his career. What he's really liked about coming to Green
Bay is it's not the discussions are not about his
versatility necessarily. The Packers have said, hey, here's here's a
linebacker spot. This is a new defense, like learn this,
get really good at it, you know, focus on this,
(12:33):
And he really appreciates that because he said, it's not
he's not coming in and learning something new the next
day and then learning something new the day after that.
Where that's where the whole versatility thing got to be
more of a curse than a blessing for him. So
it's one of those things, you know, every every player
has to somehow find their own path, right and who knows,
(12:57):
maybe maybe Green Bay in je half Lee's defense and
with the way the Packers want to use him, maybe
that's where you know, Isaiah Simmons gets a complete reset
on his career. Who knows, we don't know. It's a
pretty deep linebacker group when you're talking about Kway Walker,
who has now been pulled off pup but is not
one hundred percent cleared to be on the practice field yet.
(13:18):
But you have Walker, you have Cooper, you re signed McDuffie,
you brought back Christian Welch, You've thrown You've thrown Isaiah
Simmons into the mix. It's not as though the Packers
are hurting for linebackers, but you get the feeling that
they're going to find a role for this guy somehow,
some way.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I mean, he's being used as a flyer on specialty
on coverage too. So. But I think the one part
of it that I was really kind of looking at
when because I was with you on that when he
said that during the offseason about him spending that time
in the safeties room and with the DBS. Even if
you go back to his time in Arizona, the Cardinals
in that era were like one of the leading teams
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with the day owned Book Buchanan type linebackers.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Which are those hybrid types, hybrid.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Safety types that they built their defenses around to kind
of keep up with the faster trend of the league. Well,
what ended up happening at that time was you had
teams like Tampa Bay and you had teams like San
Francisco who they had legitimate two hundred and forty pound
linebackers who also could run, and it kind of got
to be a they went back to the fundamentals of
that position, but they just looked for faster bodies there
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and then that sort of ended that Morgan Burnett hybrid
role of those linebackers in those packages. I feel like Simmons,
for whatever reason, got sort of just kind of boxed
into that corner even during his time with Arizona. So
now he comes into a defense like Green Bay, which
is not messing around with box corners. I mean, they'll
use a strong safety, but they're not asking their safeties.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
To play the linebacker position, right.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
They're not asking Simmons to play slot cornerbacker nickel cornerback
and go out there and line up against slot receivers.
They're asking him to be an off ball linebacker. And
it feels like to me, without knowing the ins and
outs of Arizona's defense, that this is the first time
that he's really been given that up.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, and and he seems very interested and very excited
about it. So definitely a story to follow and to
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Thursday's practice that I think is something to watch as
training camp continues and maybe even as we head into
(16:04):
the twenty twenty five regular season. Jordan Love got a
couple guys to jump off side that whole I mean,
he learned from the Master of the hard count, right,
all that deception, but he got Hobbs, and I believe
it was Cooper on the other one. Something something to
(16:26):
keep an eye on, because that's not something that Jordan
Love has necessarily been focused on in any stretch or
all that adept at. It's not something that we've noticed
a lot. But when it happens twice in one practice
and this early in training camp, it's definitely something to
keep an eye on.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, second non padded practice a training camp, and Love
has guys coming across the line and being able to
potentially get some free plays out of it. As you said,
Aaron Rodgers did it as better as best, maybe as any.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
NFL quarterback in the history of the game.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yep. And the way he was also able to use
those opportunities when he did get the free play, I mean,
that's a part of his legacy, right.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
We've talked about it for a.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Decade now, Jordan Love incorporating that into him And I
think the fun part was just the amount of laughter
that was generated on the offensive side the ball when
it happened. Guys were having a good time with it,
and it was funny that one of the guys he
drew off sides was Nate Hobbs, who, as I said
earlier in the show, so you know, eleven penalties in
four years just so irregular for him to be in
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that type of situation. But he did say, he was like,
I'm going to come back and make it up to you.
He did that, went from third and seven to third
and two, and then he broke up the pass for
Wicks on that very next play. The tit for tat
there with the offensive defense. It goes without saying, but yeah,
I think twenty six year old quarterback a maturing leader.
I think this all comes around with it, but it
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also does show his mastery for the game. I don't
know if you didn't you obviously wrote the piece, But
did you get a chance to watch the NFL Network
Top one hundred video on Jordan when he actually when
they actually.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, I did. I did glance. I did glance through.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
It, watching some of the NFL films footage of him
on the sideline and the way he carries himself. I mean,
there what I've always loved about Jordan since day one.
I think he's come out more of his shell as
a person. And as just a you know, a guy
in the locker room, but the cool, calm demeanor man
that is just you either have that or you don't.
And that man was born with it. Like just seeing
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the way he acts on the sideline. And it's not
like it's not cockiness. It's not like some type of
weird Bravado or squager, but it is like literally just
a guy being incredibly comfortable in his skin. Yeah, in
every situation, even when the pressure is at its highest.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, there's there's a self assuredness to his demeanor and
his actions that it's not something that can be taught
or coached. Either you've got it or you don't.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And you see it on the practice field now, you know,
when they're going through the no huddle periods and when
they're just calling stuff at the line of scrimmage, he's
just there's no wasted amount of time out of you know,
anxiety or worry.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Or yeah, the emotions or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
It feels like time moves in slow motion when Jordan
Love is at the controls. And I feel like that
was one of the things that Matt Lafleur and these
guys knew when they were making that transition, they were
going to be able to count back on that. So
adding that into his repertoire, making that a part of
his game now obviously it makes it makes practice is
always fun when you get a guy jumping off sides
like that.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, for sure. Well, anything else from these first couple
of practices that you think it was worth commenting on
at this point before we call it a day.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Well, first, I got to apologize to all the women
in the forty nine to sixty four demographic. They don't
get to see this hair today. It got a little
sweat outside of practice. I apologize. I was joking with
you beforehand. I think this is the first time in
ten seasons doing this show I actually wore a hat.
But that's what happens when you shoot in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, I've worn a hat a few times, just out
of necessity when we've had to shoot a show after practice,
because I need to wear a hat at practice to
kind of keep the sun off and try to protect
the the nose and the forehead from the burns a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But yeah, a very I wish I could isolate for
you one specific moment, but like, there's like eight things
I mean, you have Nathaniel Hacketts back on the coaching
staff in a consultant way. But you know, Matt Lafleur
has been doing this now where he's brought in these
veteran assistants, some of whom have had experience in Green
Bay before Luke Getzi last year. I think back to
Tim Lester when he came in for that one season
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as a senior assistant. Now as the offensive coordinator for Iowa,
Robert Sala, a close friend of the floor, came in
to assess the offense during the latter half last season.
Now Nathaniel Hackets back in an advisor type role, the
sort of the guy that was the face of the
gold zone offense, you know during those those high mark years.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Into the gold zone.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
It's free too.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, It's like I hear guys in the locker room
every once in a while they'll still say it still
comes up, still say gold zone. Yeah, it hasn't gone away.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Walking back from practice us about how that's still here.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
It's like, oh, I heard about it.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
But then also like, just look at we have a
brand new locker room.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
For the Green Bay pack.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
That was the other thing I was going to ask
you about. I know there are some cool videos on
the website. People want to check that out and the
photos and whatnot. You and I have actually been in
there now after each of the first two practices, as
somebody as somebody who has been here with Packers dot
Com since two thousand and six, which was just a
few years after the renovation, when and that locker room
(21:31):
back in. You know that the mid two thousands, like
that decade was pretty darn cool and it served the
packers well for a for a long stretch. But wow,
is this, I mean, this new locker room. All you
can say is wow, it's it's it's amazing. It's amazing
to me what it looks like now compared to what
it used to look like.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
We were walking back for practice.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
We were talking to some fans and I even said
it reminded me of something out of a sci fi movie.
Yes the way, look, I'm saying that in a compliment.
I mean just the led screens, the lighting they have,
drying units and mechanisms both for the helmets and the
shoulder pads. I mean, it's just the amount of technology
that's gone into it and the thought that's gone into it.
(22:14):
The guy's headshots are up there, their names are up there,
hometown's all that stuff, And it was funny. We were
talking with bou Melton. I don't know if you caught
this in the transcript. I think Jason Moldy put together
the shower system was changed too. We don't see that,
but both said, it's not just like a spickett on
top of the more now there's water.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Shooting out from the sides on that.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I mean like basically, the Packers cut no corners when
they came to elevating and adapting and renovating the locker room.
But you know, to Matt Lafleur's credit, and I wrote
this an Insider Inbox this week, he did say this
guarantees us nothing. It gives us no wins. It's a
nice luxury to have. They're thankful for it. They appreciate
the Packers' investment into it. But ultimately, the practice and
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the preparation still happens on the grass. You still have
to perform on Sundays. But I mean, who doesn't want
to feel kind of cool? Right? We have brand new
nineteen twenty three throwback uniforms. I mean, it is a
good time to be a Green Bay Packers fan and
obviously a good time to be a player as well.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, and it's it, And I will say that was
definitely the message that was delivered. I think it was
delivered to the players, but then it's also been sort
of delivered through the media by Matt Lafleur and Brian Gutukountz.
With all of this stuff going on, the new locker
room and the new throwback uniforms and all the excitement
of the start of training camp and everything like that,
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you can't lose sight of the fact as a football
team that there's a lot of work to be done.
You have to put in the work. As Brian Guducuntz
likes to say, you can't skip any steps along the way.
You can't just say because you've been to the playoffs
the last two years that it's that It's like, okay,
it's all about you know, it's all about trying to
do better in the playoffs. Well, no, you can't skip
(23:55):
any steps. You have to put in the work to
get there in the first place and to try to
get yourself in the best position possible. So this is
where it starts. There's all kinds of fun stuff going
on right now. But the message inside the walls and
certainly in those meeting rooms and in the locker room
that you know, fancy brand new locker room, is that
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there's a lot of work to be done and embrace
the daily grind because because that's what's going to get
the Packers where they want to go.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
We won't also have a chance to shoot a show
by the end of the week. Mark Murphy, his last
week on the job for the Green Bay Packers, would
be remiss if we did not quickly mention that a
credit to Mark all the innovations we've seen with the
locker room, with the NFL or you know, the coaching staff,
all of their facilities. You look at Title town, the
enormous impact he's made. Next month, we'll have another chance
(24:46):
to celebrate him as he goes into the Packers Hall
of Fame. So's right standing at practice for a few
minutes today, getting a chance to talk with them very cool,
and it's it's nice for when you look at a
guy that has done what he's done for as long
as he's done it all these different levels. You know,
whether it was working in the Justice department or whether
it was being an NFLPA rep or obviously All Pro safety,
(25:08):
the guy that was a two time Division one college
athletic director, a seventeen year executive for the Green Bay Packers.
You talk about somebody who's accomplished something in his life,
Mark Murphy has done that and then some so tip
of the cap to Mark as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Absolutely, the torch officially gets passed on Friday at the
shareholders meeting from Mark Murphy to ed policy and as
you said, we'll be able to reflect on some of
that a little bit more when about a month from now,
Mark Murphy gets inducted as the sole inductee. In twenty
twenty five, Mark Murphy gets inducted into the Packers Hall
(25:44):
of Fame. And that'll be a fun time as well.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
So you're gonna go to seventy? Is that your plan?
Editory editor role of the Green Bay Packers can deserve
a seventy.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Years If I'm still if I'm still editing your copy
when I'm seventy years old, something went wraw. I'll just say,
I'll just say that I don't think I don't think
I'm gonna be hanging around hanging around that long. But uh,
to those to those who do more. Power to you man.
So with that, we're gonna call it a rap on
this additional Packers unscript. I'd be sure to follow all
(26:15):
of our coverage of training camp. We got five Things stories,
three Things videos feature stories on players. It's all there
for you on packers dot com for Wes, I am Mike.
Thank you for tuning in. Everybody. We will see you
next time.
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