July 29, 2025 • 26 mins
Mike and Wes review the first handful of practices. Including Elgton Jenkins' return to the field (:20), the defensive emphasis on forced fumbles (6:33), standout players to date including RB Josh Jacobs (10:35) and QB Malik Willis (16:23), and the strong start for K Brandon McManus (20:40).
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hi, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always by my partner
in crime, Weston Hodkowitz, and we're coming to you here
from our studios at Lambeofield to talk Packers Training Camp.
West there are five practices in the books as we
currently record this episode. The first one in pads was yesterday,
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and I think before we get into our very general
and various observations, we should start with addressing what I
would say is the biggest news of training camp thus far,
which is that for the first padded practice, as it
turned out, Elton Jenkins was on the practice field for
the first time, and it was the first time we
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had seen him on the practice field because he was
not a part of OTA's and when he was present
for the mandatory mini camp in June, he was dealing
with a back injury, and that back injury is what
had kept him out the first few days of training camp.
But the Packers' new center is back on the field.
He's ramping up. He'll work his way up into the
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eleven on eleven, but he is good with the position switch.
He is not concerned about his contract and he is
getting ready to go.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
He's often ready to do this thing. And when you're
talking about Alton Jenkins, and I wrote this in the
story that we put on Packers dot Com on Tuesday,
I mean, this guy has been the ultimate everyman for
the Green Bay Packers since the day they drafted him back.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
In twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
A two years starting center at Mississippi State, he comes
to the NFL, his opportunity to get a spot in
that starting five ends up being through left guard when
Lane Taylor goes down for the season with the biceps injury.
And then next thing you know, within a year of that,
he's a Pro bowler, the youngest Pro bowler. I think
it was the first time in what almost seventy two
years or something like that that the Packers had a
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Pro bowler in his second season on the offensive line.
And then you look at the times he played and filled.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
In left tackle at right tackle.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And one of the things I think gets most overlooked
was in twenty twenty, the Packers are in the middle
of a huge season and Corey Linsley goes down. He
ends up missing three games with a knee injury. Elton
Jenkins just completely doesn't about face moves into center and
played exceptionally well there during those three games, despite really
not taking any snaps there at all. Now he's finally
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in that role. As he said, this offseason, there was
some family stuff he had to attend to ended up
injuring his back during some weightlifting. Wanted to be careful
with that on his way back. But at the end
of the day, he is excited about this. It's something
him and the Packers brass have talked about before in
the past, and now getting the chance to snap to
Jordan Love for the first time this summer, he's ready
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and raring to go.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And he did say there have been some discussions behind
the scenes with regard to his contract and whatnot that's
been going on for a while. There hasn't necessarily been
a resolution there. He has not been given any guarantees
that anything with this contract is going to change.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But he made it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Pretty clear to the group of reporters that gathered around
his locker after Monday's practice that he is not thinking
about the contract, He's not worried about it. He is
focused on getting himself healthy, getting in to the offensive
line to start the daily reps, excuse me, the daily
reps at center with quarterback Jordan Love, with his other teammates.
He's got a brand new guy playing his old position,
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a left guard, and Aaron Banks that he wants to
work with. All of that kind of stuff is factoring in.
And you mentioned you just mentioned it now. You also
mentioned it an insider inbox the other day that it's
easy for people to forget that three game stretch in
twenty twenty when Jenkins moved over to center and filled
in for Corey Linsley. And you have to remember that
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the Packers had one of the best offenses in the
league in twenty twenty and they lose their all pro
center for three games and the offense didn't skip a
beat Elton Jenkins. We hardly even wrote about it, quite
frankly talked about it because the transition for Jenkins taking
over at center and just the way the offense was
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functioning was so seamless. Now, yes, that was five years ago, granted,
but it just it speaks to the type of player
that Elton Jenkins is and why this coaching staff, Jordan Love,
everybody involved, they don't have any concerns about Jenkins making
this switch. The focus is to get him healthy and
get him out there just to get this ball roll.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Well, and Elton said too, it was something they discussed
during his exit interviews. But when they didn't re sign
and Josh Myers moves on to the New York Jets,
that's where Elton's like, Okay, this thing became kind of
like serious now, like.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, really it got real.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, because he's like for the same reason where it's like,
you look at the way the Packers roster is structured
right now. You have Sean Ryan, who's been the one
taking most of the one reps when Elton has not
been at practice or has been injured, and Sean had
never really played center until he came to Green Bay.
You have Jacob Munk, who did it at Duke but
then didn't play an offense of snap last season. Trey
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Hill is in the conversation too, But in terms of
established guys that have done it at a high level
in some pretty essential situations, Elton Jenkins was the best
option at that spot, especially when you looked at what
was available in free agency. The Packers felt like their
best move was to go and get Aaron Banks plug
him into Jenkins Now, vacated spot at left guard and
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move Elton into that center position. He said he wants
to get over the hump. There's a lot of work
that he still wants to achieve here in Green Bay.
And if this is going to be what's best for him,
what's best for this team, what's best for Jordan Love,
He's fully on.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Board with it and committed to it.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And to be honest with you, Mike, I'm very interested
to see what Elton can do at that spot because
he's not just it was a good story. I mean,
this guy is one of the top offensive linemen in
Green Bay over the last ten to fifteen years. Yeah,
and to have him now in a position at center,
which there'd been some issues with before in the past,
and that transition from Corey Lensley, I feel like when
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you're talking about building the best five, when you look
how the Packers are built right now, having number seventy
four there snap into Jordan Love, I think is definitely
going to be what gives Green Bay their best shot.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, it'll be uh, it's definitely going to be interesting
to watch. And for his part out and Jenkins says,
you know, yeah, He essentially reiterated what we've heard from
Matt Leffluur and Brian Guducums throughout the offseason, which is
that he feels he can be a Pro Bowl player,
potential All Pro player at center. He's not backing down
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from the challenge whatsoever. He's doing nothing but looking forward
five practices in the books. We can just go back
and forth a little bit as far as observations. What's
jumped out at you.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
So we were talking with Evan Williams earlier this week.
I thought this was a very interesting observation. He talked
about the emphasis that Jeff Hafley's putting on force fumbles,
and we're going to learn more about that, I think
when Jeff addresses the media on Wednesday, right, But you
know they've been talking about what the NFL record is.
I believe it's thirty four to the New York Giants
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back in twenty ten. In the Packers last year, I
think had eighteen punch outs if I remember correctly. But
you're seeing it in practice. I mean it's happened every
single day. There has been a time where the ball
has come out. It happened again on Monday, albeit it
was on the sideline, but it was Evan Williams. Yeah,
kind of punching the ball through on Tucker Craft as
they were getting towards the sideline there, Rashan Gary chased
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down Jayden Reid with it. When you look at Javon
Bullard how excited he got when he had to punch
out last week in practice against Tucker Craft. The interceptions
are cool, but as Evan Williams said, those aren't things
that are just given to you. You have to really
work for him, and you got to hope occasionally the
quarterback just makes a mistake when you're finishing to the ball,
when you're tackling, trying to do that little peanut punch,
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trying to get that extra sort of last ditch effort
to get that Football can sometimes pay major dividends, and
I can definitely see with this secondary, a very competitive secondary.
That's been something you can really see is reflected in
their play style.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
The one cab I would throw into that is that
when we're in a training camp setting and the defensive
players are not actually tackling that And I'm saying this
somewhat in defense of the offensive players who have lost
the ball in some of these situations when the defensive
players don't actually have to tackle you. It's a lot
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easier for them to focus on punching the ball out, right. So,
but this is training camp. This is when you train things.
This is when you try to get things like top
of mind of players. And then as you as you
make the transition into actually tackling, then it's like, okay,
when you have an opportunity, you see an opportunity to
get the ball out, it's something that's been trained during
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training camp to to, you know, to take advantage of
a potential opportunity there.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
But I just.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Wanted to say that because there are those who are like, oh, well,
you know, Tucker Craft has lost the ball and Josh
Jacobs has lost the ball, and it's like, yeah, these
guys are going after the ball because they don't actually
have to try to tackle these two hundred and forty
pound dudes, right like.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Safety going after a twitter and sixty pound and Tucker crab.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
No.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
But the one I was really impressed with, and you
were the one that brought it up right away in
practice we were watching the Rashan Gary one was the
one that I thought was really kind of jaw dropping
a little bit because it's that he had to chase
that play down, Yeah, to be able.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That just shows you that was.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
A big time hustle play by Gary. No doubt about
hustle play.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
When you're talking about the mentality of a defense and
what you want your guys doing. I think Gary really
does reflect all the positives in how you want to
go about your preparation and training in these settings. Certainly
when you look at the offensive side of the ball,
I've been super impressed just on how they've been able
to utilize these weapons that they have at the receiver position.
(09:42):
We talked about Matthew Golden quite a bit, but I
mean Jaden Reid was the star of that two minute
drill at the end of practice. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That was that was like a rapid fire, bang, bang, bang,
three straight completions and all of a sudden, the offense
was in field goal range and that's all they needed
on the drive based on the scenario, was a field
goal at the end. Yeah, and Red just just took
that over.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Twenty three yards in the scene. It wasn't just like
it was like, Okay, a couple dink and dunk passes.
I mean, no, Jordan Love uncorked one and Reid, to
his credit, right down the middle of the field was
able to haul that in. I just feel like there's
been so many guys that have had some big days,
and you know, there's times where we try to have
these overwhelming sort of narratives of Oh, who's really breaking
out or who's really impressed you so far. I just
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feel like the overall kind of tempo of these practices,
especially once the pads went on Monday, you can definitely
feel that energy and.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That excitement for what Green Bays trying to achieve here.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, a couple of a couple of guys that have
jumped out at me, I would say over the last
two days of practice, after that first break on Saturday,
when the players had a day off, came back really
hot practices on Sunday and Monday. It sounds like today
when we're out there a little bit later today, it's
still gonna be pretty darn hot before the temperature changes tomorrow.
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But two guys that jumped out at me, Josh Jacobs
and Malik Willis. And I mentioned Jacobs because he made
it was really early. It was pretty early in practice,
I want to say. On Sunday, during the eleven on
eleven where he took a handoff and he made a
cut in the hole where you know, it was like
almost all of us on the sideline were sort of
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like whoa, and it hit It hit me in that moment.
One of the things that that makes Josh Jacobs a
special running back is that he he has a way
of making the difficult or the uncommon cut look natural.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, and you can't.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I mean, that's just a gift that he has. It's
it's the gift the combination of how his vision and
his footwork, you know, sort of work in tandem. He
makes that uncommon move look natural and look easy and
and I don't know, and you know, in this is
my twentieth training camp with Packers dot Com, I have
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seen a lot of good running backs come through here,
you know, whether you're talking Ryan Grant or Eddie Lacy,
Aaron Jones, James Starks, all kinds of other guys in between.
I don't know if I've ever been able to say
that about any other running back, that he makes the
uncommon cut look natural. And that is what makes Josh
Jacobs so fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, And it's cool for me because, in no disrespect
to any of the running backs that were on the
Packers team when I started covering them in twenty eleven
and twelve, But they didn't have those type of athletes
at that position. I mean, there was a couple of
years there, right, Let's be honest. The end of the
twenty twelve season, they're trying to get a practice squad guy,
Dawan Harris to be their number one.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Running back down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Then Aaron Jones came in the picture. Obviously Eddie Lacy
did some good things, but Eddie was just his style
was different. He was a power bull rushing kind of guy.
Aaron was slippery and it's funny to me to watch
him in Josh Jacob's back to back how elusive they
are between the tackles. Completely different reason. Yeah, where it
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was Aaron being you can't find this guy, and he's quick, right,
and he's going to be able to and he had
some power to him, he's going to be able to
get through you. And then you have Josh Jacobs, who
is i mean what twenty five pounds heavier than Aaron
maybe more yea and can really move his body and
get from point a to point b in such.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
A fluid motion.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I mean, there's a reason why he was a Russian champion,
There's a reason why he's been an All Pro before
in this league. There's a reason why he was a
Pro bowler last year during his first year in Green Bay.
But he has Both of those guys, independently of each other,
had things that you cannot coach. You can hone it,
you can work on it, but it's just that processing ability,
as you said, of what's going on up here in
translating it down to your feet.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Josh Jacobs, man the offensive.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Line, has talked a lot about it this offseason. You know,
if they give him some room to work with, this
guy is going to be in for some really big
things this season. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
And he mentioned when he first showed up for training camp,
and I a story about this. You can find it
on packers dot com. It was posted on Monday morning.
He actually said that he's never felt this good physically,
just with his body coming into a training camp as
he does right now. He you know, he had three
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hundred and one carries in the regular season last year,
is only the second time in his career he had
over three hundred carries in a season. Obviously, then a
playoff game was added on to that. But a combination
of things. One he felt spending a little bit less
time on artificial turf last year, both game wise and
practice wise compared to some of his years with the
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Raiders was a factor. He also did some things, changing
his diet and whatnot. And he said his you know,
after last season, he said his body really started to
feel almost back to normal after about a week maybe two,
as opposed to in a normal off season it would
take him like a month or two before his body
really felt good again. So so physically he's a and
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any kind of joke, he says, well maybe now I'm
hitting my prime, you know, that was what he said.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So this running style, it's possible too.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah. I mean, like he's he's not a guy that's
just reliant on four to three speed. I mean he is,
he is a running back. Josh Shacobs could have played
in any era. I mean with the way goes about
handling his business. I know we got to get to
sponsorship business. But I got to give the guy also
a shut up for this too, because you were asking
about this this past week. I thought there was a
really good illustration of it on Monday. Unfortunately, Marshawn Lloyd
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gets injured an incident there during one of the team periods.
We don't know at this time that we're shooting this
what exactly happened, but he's off on the sidelines, he's
just watching the tablet. Andy Herman actually got the photo
of it. I did not take it because I didn't
think it was a shooting period, but there is a
pretty awesome photo of Josh Shacobs with his arm around
Marshawn Lloyd looking at the tablet, looking at the rest
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of practice. This is the type of guy this guy is.
It's not just all about him. He's trying to bring
the rest of the group up with him. And you know,
Manuel Wilson is talking about it. Chris Brooks was talking
last year about how essential and how vital Jacobs was
in terms of trying to get him up to speed
after he came in late in Marshawn Lloyd, the guy,
the third round pick from last year who drove down
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to practices last year with Josh Jacobs, trying to get healthy,
trying to get out there, trying to be able to
show a lot of his potential. Jacobs has really poured
a lot into him as well.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, the relationship between those two guys is certainly interesting.
One other thing before we do get to sponsor business,
I mentioned Malik Willis. Yes, I just thought watching Monday's practice,
the first one in Pads, I thought, I thought Malik
Willis looked maybe as sharp as I've ever seen him.
I know we talked in the offseason during OTA's mini camp.
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We had a discussion about just how just how the
ball comes out of Malik Willis's hand. I mean, everything
always looks so smooth, the way he is running this
offense right now, obviously he's running the number two offense.
He looks in command, he looks on time. I thought yesterday,
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in all of the eleven on eleven snaps that he took,
there was maybe only one throw that he would want
to have back. It was during the two minute drill.
He threw one that Carrington Valentine was able to tip
and deflect away and Valentine almost was able to get
an interception on it. That was like the only pass that,
at least from my observation, that Malik Willis would go
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into the locker room after that practice and say, oh
I wish I had that one back. Every other ball
he threw it felt like it was just it was
right where it needed to be, the timing of the play.
His guys were making plays for him. Malik Heath made
a tremendous catch along the sideline in that two minute
drill to help the number two offense get a field
goal in their scenario. I know that the goal is
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for Jordan Love to have a healthier season than he
did last year, and for Jordan Love to play every game,
and for Malik Willis not to have to play necessarily
meaningful snaps that quarterback for the Packers. But as much
as the Packers were in really good hands with Willis
last year when he did need to fill in, as
we saw, if something were to happen to Jordan Love
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this year, I think the Packers are in even better
hands with Malik Willis this year than they were last year.
And that's saying something.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
The peace of mind that a guy like that gives you,
And I wrote this is the best compliment I can
pay Malik Willis or any backup quarterback. He has completely
changed my philosophy on the backup quarterback position. Michael, there
was a time where I adhered to that whole. Okay,
you got Peyton Manning, you have dan Arlovski behind him.
If you lose, if Peyton Manning goes down, you just
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deal with what you're gonna deal with.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You're not gonna win the Super Bowl. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I watched Malik Willis last year and what he did.
I mean, the Packers do not make the playoffs probably
without him. No, last year, I don't think so had
that huge of an impact after coming in on short notice.
Now he's had a full offseason program. And to your
point is there are no style points in the NFL.
We know that professional football doesn't go hand in hand
with that, but Malik Willis throws about as beautiful of
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a pass as far as a downfield throw as you're
going to.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
See in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I mean, that thing is a nine point eight with
maybe the you know, if you're looking at like the
Olympic kind of like what is that gymnastics or whatever,
they kind of have the judges that go through it.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
It's incredible to watch.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
And one way or another, this I think this is
probably the most excited I've been to watch a backup
quarterback playing Green Bay since Vince Young was signed in
twenty thirteen, and that was for the wrong reason. I mean,
this guy, like watching him in the preseason, I think
is going to be worth the price ad mission alone
because he's playing to be the backup to Jordan Love.
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But my goodness, Michael, the more we watch him, the
more I am fully convinced this guy is going to
be pushing for a starting spot somewhere in the National
Football League next year.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I think so too. I think, I definitely think so.
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Speaker 1 (20:46):
It only took ten years.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, it only took ten years to get to this point.
But a couple other things would be remiss in terms
of talking about these first handful of practices if we
didn't mention that kicker, Brandon McManus. My goodness, twenty.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Three out of twenty three. The guy can't miss.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I mean, and it's not like he's just kicking extra
points out there either.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
He's kicked.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I believe three of his makes have been from fifty plus.
He ended both two minute drills on Monday with successful makes.
In the quote unquote pressure situation, Brandon McManus is as
locked in as any kicker I've ever seen in the
early stages of a training kick.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
And it's funny to me too, because we've heard so
much in the past about Okay, you have the wins
off of the Hudson Center, the difficulties there can be
kicking on Nichgie Field, Brandon McManus looks like he got
the crash course on it, figured it out pretty darn quick. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, but he's been able to do out there.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
And again, this is no disrespect all the other kickers
that have come through Green Bay. It is not easy
to find a place kicker in the National Football League.
Every year it seems like there's eight to ten teams
that are just trying to find somebody that's gonna stick
when you get that guy, as the Packers new for
a majority of Mason Crosby's sixteen seasons. Here it again.
We're talking about peace of mind with Malik Willis and
what Matt Lafuer responded to your question on Monday, I mean,
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you don't even think about it. Yeah, when you have
a kicker that's that locked in, McManus is in the
zone right now. Obviously you wanted to carry over when
the kicks really matter, but you can't have momentum if
you don't get it initially. And certainly there is a
lot of wind in seventeen sales right now.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, last thing before we go. We touched on it
a little bit at the end of our last show.
Now it is actually official. You were out there in
the Stadium Bowl for the shareholders meeting on Friday, the
official transition from Mark Murphy as president and CEO of
the Packers to ed Policy. And I'm just curious your
(22:44):
thoughts in terms of just being there and witnessing it.
I was up at my desk working on some other things,
so I was sort of listening in so to speak,
but not paying as close attention as you were. But
I bring it up because this is the second president
slash CEO transition that I've a part of here with
the Packers. On the previous one where it went from
Bob Harlan to Mark Murphy, it wasn't really there wasn't
(23:08):
kind of this ceremony to it, because you know, there
was uncertainty for a while because the initial transition was
going to be to John Jones, and then some health
concerns there he had to step aside, which led to
the search firm finding the next president and CEO of
the team, which which is what brought Mark Murphy. And
Bob Harlan stayed on an entire extra year that he
(23:29):
wasn't planning on in terms of running the organization. So
it was just very different, I'll say back in late
two thousand and seven into two thousand and eight when
the transition was made this one, everything sort of happened
the way it was supposed to happen, And just your
thoughts on the visuals and what it looked like out there.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Well, first and foremost, I give so much credit to
the fans, the shareholders that were in attendance. I mean,
it showed so much respect and kindness towards Mark that
was great to see. There was a couple standing ovations
throughout the shareholders meeting and to see him get that
type of recognition. Obviously, you and I have talked a
lot about it. There's a lot of things that they've
done within the organization to honor him over the last
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few months. Yeah, but it is ultimately that connection with
the fans that I think Mark works so hard to develop.
And again I wrote an insider inbox recently. I don't
think I ever saw him turn down a photo, turned
down an autograph, and you and I covered a lot
of pep rallies.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
There are a lot of autographs to be had out there.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Mark Murphy always always understood the number one job when
you are the presidency over the packers is you have
that responsibility to the fans, and Mark always remembered that
I'm excited for this transition. Now we start to roll
the ball forward, as Mark said, and there's no right
or wrong way to do this. But he's not going
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to have an office at Lambeufield. He's not going to
be around here. Ed policy has his phone number. He
can call him anytime that he wants, has any questions,
he said, He'll always be there, but this is Ed's
time now. And Ed has been here for thirteen years.
He's been extremely successful with everything he's done with the Packers,
whether it be the title town development, whether it be
you know, various initiatives that if the Packers have done
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outside of this building. This is the right guy for
the right time, in the right place here in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
And seeing that torch pass for someone that did not
go through it. I was at the newspaper at the time,
but I wasn't covering the team in any capacity at
that point. But to see this happen for the first time,
and them working together as well as they did over
the past year to sort of, you know, ease this transition,
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I think the Packers are definitely set up to be
in a good spot here with Ed Policy at the Helm.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, and we'll have some more discussions later on. But
certainly you know Ed's background and with his dad, Carmen Policy,
and you know, running the forty nine ers during you know,
both the glory years and some transition times and whatnot
with the forty nine ers back in those days when
Ed was growing up in Youngstown, Ohio and his dad
is commuting back and forth from from Ohio to California
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and all that. Some interesting stories that we've heard from
Ed Policy. But as you said, now it is his
time and uh and yeah, everything with regard to the
transition I think has has gone as uh as smoothly
and efficiently as possible. So with that, we'll call it
a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure
to continue following all of our coverage of training Camp
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on packers dot com, stories, videos, podcasts like this one.
Everything is out there for you on the website for Wes.
I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. You
will see you next time.
Hi, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always by my partner
in crime, Weston Hodkowitz, and we're coming to you here
from our studios at Lambeofield to talk Packers Training Camp.
West there are five practices in the books as we
currently record this episode. The first one in pads was yesterday,
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and I think before we get into our very general
and various observations, we should start with addressing what I
would say is the biggest news of training camp thus far,
which is that for the first padded practice, as it
turned out, Elton Jenkins was on the practice field for
the first time, and it was the first time we
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had seen him on the practice field because he was
not a part of OTA's and when he was present
for the mandatory mini camp in June, he was dealing
with a back injury, and that back injury is what
had kept him out the first few days of training camp.
But the Packers' new center is back on the field.
He's ramping up. He'll work his way up into the
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eleven on eleven, but he is good with the position switch.
He is not concerned about his contract and he is
getting ready to go.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
He's often ready to do this thing. And when you're
talking about Alton Jenkins, and I wrote this in the
story that we put on Packers dot Com on Tuesday,
I mean, this guy has been the ultimate everyman for
the Green Bay Packers since the day they drafted him back.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
In twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
A two years starting center at Mississippi State, he comes
to the NFL, his opportunity to get a spot in
that starting five ends up being through left guard when
Lane Taylor goes down for the season with the biceps injury.
And then next thing you know, within a year of that,
he's a Pro bowler, the youngest Pro bowler. I think
it was the first time in what almost seventy two
years or something like that that the Packers had a
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Pro bowler in his second season on the offensive line.
And then you look at the times he played and filled.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
In left tackle at right tackle.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And one of the things I think gets most overlooked
was in twenty twenty, the Packers are in the middle
of a huge season and Corey Linsley goes down. He
ends up missing three games with a knee injury. Elton
Jenkins just completely doesn't about face moves into center and
played exceptionally well there during those three games, despite really
not taking any snaps there at all. Now he's finally
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in that role. As he said, this offseason, there was
some family stuff he had to attend to ended up
injuring his back during some weightlifting. Wanted to be careful
with that on his way back. But at the end
of the day, he is excited about this. It's something
him and the Packers brass have talked about before in
the past, and now getting the chance to snap to
Jordan Love for the first time this summer, he's ready
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and raring to go.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And he did say there have been some discussions behind
the scenes with regard to his contract and whatnot that's
been going on for a while. There hasn't necessarily been
a resolution there. He has not been given any guarantees
that anything with this contract is going to change.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But he made it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Pretty clear to the group of reporters that gathered around
his locker after Monday's practice that he is not thinking
about the contract, He's not worried about it. He is
focused on getting himself healthy, getting in to the offensive
line to start the daily reps, excuse me, the daily
reps at center with quarterback Jordan Love, with his other teammates.
He's got a brand new guy playing his old position,
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a left guard, and Aaron Banks that he wants to
work with. All of that kind of stuff is factoring in.
And you mentioned you just mentioned it now. You also
mentioned it an insider inbox the other day that it's
easy for people to forget that three game stretch in
twenty twenty when Jenkins moved over to center and filled
in for Corey Linsley. And you have to remember that
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the Packers had one of the best offenses in the
league in twenty twenty and they lose their all pro
center for three games and the offense didn't skip a
beat Elton Jenkins. We hardly even wrote about it, quite
frankly talked about it because the transition for Jenkins taking
over at center and just the way the offense was
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functioning was so seamless. Now, yes, that was five years ago, granted,
but it just it speaks to the type of player
that Elton Jenkins is and why this coaching staff, Jordan Love,
everybody involved, they don't have any concerns about Jenkins making
this switch. The focus is to get him healthy and
get him out there just to get this ball roll.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Well, and Elton said too, it was something they discussed
during his exit interviews. But when they didn't re sign
and Josh Myers moves on to the New York Jets,
that's where Elton's like, Okay, this thing became kind of
like serious now, like.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, really it got real.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, because he's like for the same reason where it's like,
you look at the way the Packers roster is structured
right now. You have Sean Ryan, who's been the one
taking most of the one reps when Elton has not
been at practice or has been injured, and Sean had
never really played center until he came to Green Bay.
You have Jacob Munk, who did it at Duke but
then didn't play an offense of snap last season. Trey
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Hill is in the conversation too, But in terms of
established guys that have done it at a high level
in some pretty essential situations, Elton Jenkins was the best
option at that spot, especially when you looked at what
was available in free agency. The Packers felt like their
best move was to go and get Aaron Banks plug
him into Jenkins Now, vacated spot at left guard and
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move Elton into that center position. He said he wants
to get over the hump. There's a lot of work
that he still wants to achieve here in Green Bay.
And if this is going to be what's best for him,
what's best for this team, what's best for Jordan Love,
He's fully on.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Board with it and committed to it.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And to be honest with you, Mike, I'm very interested
to see what Elton can do at that spot because
he's not just it was a good story. I mean,
this guy is one of the top offensive linemen in
Green Bay over the last ten to fifteen years. Yeah,
and to have him now in a position at center,
which there'd been some issues with before in the past,
and that transition from Corey Lensley, I feel like when
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you're talking about building the best five, when you look
how the Packers are built right now, having number seventy
four there snap into Jordan Love, I think is definitely
going to be what gives Green Bay their best shot.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, it'll be uh, it's definitely going to be interesting
to watch. And for his part out and Jenkins says,
you know, yeah, He essentially reiterated what we've heard from
Matt Leffluur and Brian Guducums throughout the offseason, which is
that he feels he can be a Pro Bowl player,
potential All Pro player at center. He's not backing down
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from the challenge whatsoever. He's doing nothing but looking forward
five practices in the books. We can just go back
and forth a little bit as far as observations. What's
jumped out at you.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
So we were talking with Evan Williams earlier this week.
I thought this was a very interesting observation. He talked
about the emphasis that Jeff Hafley's putting on force fumbles,
and we're going to learn more about that, I think
when Jeff addresses the media on Wednesday, right, But you
know they've been talking about what the NFL record is.
I believe it's thirty four to the New York Giants
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back in twenty ten. In the Packers last year, I
think had eighteen punch outs if I remember correctly. But
you're seeing it in practice. I mean it's happened every
single day. There has been a time where the ball
has come out. It happened again on Monday, albeit it
was on the sideline, but it was Evan Williams. Yeah,
kind of punching the ball through on Tucker Craft as
they were getting towards the sideline there, Rashan Gary chased
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down Jayden Reid with it. When you look at Javon
Bullard how excited he got when he had to punch
out last week in practice against Tucker Craft. The interceptions
are cool, but as Evan Williams said, those aren't things
that are just given to you. You have to really
work for him, and you got to hope occasionally the
quarterback just makes a mistake when you're finishing to the ball,
when you're tackling, trying to do that little peanut punch,
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trying to get that extra sort of last ditch effort
to get that Football can sometimes pay major dividends, and
I can definitely see with this secondary, a very competitive secondary.
That's been something you can really see is reflected in
their play style.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
The one cab I would throw into that is that
when we're in a training camp setting and the defensive
players are not actually tackling that And I'm saying this
somewhat in defense of the offensive players who have lost
the ball in some of these situations when the defensive
players don't actually have to tackle you. It's a lot
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easier for them to focus on punching the ball out, right. So,
but this is training camp. This is when you train things.
This is when you try to get things like top
of mind of players. And then as you as you
make the transition into actually tackling, then it's like, okay,
when you have an opportunity, you see an opportunity to
get the ball out, it's something that's been trained during
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training camp to to, you know, to take advantage of
a potential opportunity there.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
But I just.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Wanted to say that because there are those who are like, oh, well,
you know, Tucker Craft has lost the ball and Josh
Jacobs has lost the ball, and it's like, yeah, these
guys are going after the ball because they don't actually
have to try to tackle these two hundred and forty
pound dudes, right like.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Safety going after a twitter and sixty pound and Tucker crab.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
No.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
But the one I was really impressed with, and you
were the one that brought it up right away in
practice we were watching the Rashan Gary one was the
one that I thought was really kind of jaw dropping
a little bit because it's that he had to chase
that play down, Yeah, to be able.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That just shows you that was.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
A big time hustle play by Gary. No doubt about
hustle play.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
When you're talking about the mentality of a defense and
what you want your guys doing. I think Gary really
does reflect all the positives in how you want to
go about your preparation and training in these settings. Certainly
when you look at the offensive side of the ball,
I've been super impressed just on how they've been able
to utilize these weapons that they have at the receiver position.
(09:42):
We talked about Matthew Golden quite a bit, but I
mean Jaden Reid was the star of that two minute
drill at the end of practice. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That was that was like a rapid fire, bang, bang, bang,
three straight completions and all of a sudden, the offense
was in field goal range and that's all they needed
on the drive based on the scenario, was a field
goal at the end. Yeah, and Red just just took
that over.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Twenty three yards in the scene. It wasn't just like
it was like, Okay, a couple dink and dunk passes.
I mean, no, Jordan Love uncorked one and Reid, to
his credit, right down the middle of the field was
able to haul that in. I just feel like there's
been so many guys that have had some big days,
and you know, there's times where we try to have
these overwhelming sort of narratives of Oh, who's really breaking
out or who's really impressed you so far. I just
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feel like the overall kind of tempo of these practices,
especially once the pads went on Monday, you can definitely
feel that energy and.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That excitement for what Green Bays trying to achieve here.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, a couple of a couple of guys that have
jumped out at me, I would say over the last
two days of practice, after that first break on Saturday,
when the players had a day off, came back really
hot practices on Sunday and Monday. It sounds like today
when we're out there a little bit later today, it's
still gonna be pretty darn hot before the temperature changes tomorrow.
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But two guys that jumped out at me, Josh Jacobs
and Malik Willis. And I mentioned Jacobs because he made
it was really early. It was pretty early in practice,
I want to say. On Sunday, during the eleven on
eleven where he took a handoff and he made a
cut in the hole where you know, it was like
almost all of us on the sideline were sort of
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like whoa, and it hit It hit me in that moment.
One of the things that that makes Josh Jacobs a
special running back is that he he has a way
of making the difficult or the uncommon cut look natural.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, and you can't.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I mean, that's just a gift that he has. It's
it's the gift the combination of how his vision and
his footwork, you know, sort of work in tandem. He
makes that uncommon move look natural and look easy and
and I don't know, and you know, in this is
my twentieth training camp with Packers dot Com, I have
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seen a lot of good running backs come through here,
you know, whether you're talking Ryan Grant or Eddie Lacy,
Aaron Jones, James Starks, all kinds of other guys in between.
I don't know if I've ever been able to say
that about any other running back, that he makes the
uncommon cut look natural. And that is what makes Josh
Jacobs so fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, And it's cool for me because, in no disrespect
to any of the running backs that were on the
Packers team when I started covering them in twenty eleven
and twelve, But they didn't have those type of athletes
at that position. I mean, there was a couple of
years there, right, Let's be honest. The end of the
twenty twelve season, they're trying to get a practice squad guy,
Dawan Harris to be their number one.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Running back down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Then Aaron Jones came in the picture. Obviously Eddie Lacy
did some good things, but Eddie was just his style
was different. He was a power bull rushing kind of guy.
Aaron was slippery and it's funny to me to watch
him in Josh Jacob's back to back how elusive they
are between the tackles. Completely different reason. Yeah, where it
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was Aaron being you can't find this guy, and he's quick, right,
and he's going to be able to and he had
some power to him, he's going to be able to
get through you. And then you have Josh Jacobs, who
is i mean what twenty five pounds heavier than Aaron
maybe more yea and can really move his body and
get from point a to point b in such.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
A fluid motion.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I mean, there's a reason why he was a Russian champion,
There's a reason why he's been an All Pro before
in this league. There's a reason why he was a
Pro bowler last year during his first year in Green Bay.
But he has Both of those guys, independently of each other,
had things that you cannot coach. You can hone it,
you can work on it, but it's just that processing ability,
as you said, of what's going on up here in
translating it down to your feet.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Josh Jacobs, man the offensive.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Line, has talked a lot about it this offseason. You know,
if they give him some room to work with, this
guy is going to be in for some really big
things this season. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
And he mentioned when he first showed up for training camp,
and I a story about this. You can find it
on packers dot com. It was posted on Monday morning.
He actually said that he's never felt this good physically,
just with his body coming into a training camp as
he does right now. He you know, he had three
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hundred and one carries in the regular season last year,
is only the second time in his career he had
over three hundred carries in a season. Obviously, then a
playoff game was added on to that. But a combination
of things. One he felt spending a little bit less
time on artificial turf last year, both game wise and
practice wise compared to some of his years with the
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Raiders was a factor. He also did some things, changing
his diet and whatnot. And he said his you know,
after last season, he said his body really started to
feel almost back to normal after about a week maybe two,
as opposed to in a normal off season it would
take him like a month or two before his body
really felt good again. So so physically he's a and
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any kind of joke, he says, well maybe now I'm
hitting my prime, you know, that was what he said.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So this running style, it's possible too.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah. I mean, like he's he's not a guy that's
just reliant on four to three speed. I mean he is,
he is a running back. Josh Shacobs could have played
in any era. I mean with the way goes about
handling his business. I know we got to get to
sponsorship business. But I got to give the guy also
a shut up for this too, because you were asking
about this this past week. I thought there was a
really good illustration of it on Monday. Unfortunately, Marshawn Lloyd
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gets injured an incident there during one of the team periods.
We don't know at this time that we're shooting this
what exactly happened, but he's off on the sidelines, he's
just watching the tablet. Andy Herman actually got the photo
of it. I did not take it because I didn't
think it was a shooting period, but there is a
pretty awesome photo of Josh Shacobs with his arm around
Marshawn Lloyd looking at the tablet, looking at the rest
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of practice. This is the type of guy this guy is.
It's not just all about him. He's trying to bring
the rest of the group up with him. And you know,
Manuel Wilson is talking about it. Chris Brooks was talking
last year about how essential and how vital Jacobs was
in terms of trying to get him up to speed
after he came in late in Marshawn Lloyd, the guy,
the third round pick from last year who drove down
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to practices last year with Josh Jacobs, trying to get healthy,
trying to get out there, trying to be able to
show a lot of his potential. Jacobs has really poured
a lot into him as well.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, the relationship between those two guys is certainly interesting.
One other thing before we do get to sponsor business,
I mentioned Malik Willis. Yes, I just thought watching Monday's practice,
the first one in Pads, I thought, I thought Malik
Willis looked maybe as sharp as I've ever seen him.
I know we talked in the offseason during OTA's mini camp.
(16:43):
We had a discussion about just how just how the
ball comes out of Malik Willis's hand. I mean, everything
always looks so smooth, the way he is running this
offense right now, obviously he's running the number two offense.
He looks in command, he looks on time. I thought yesterday,
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in all of the eleven on eleven snaps that he took,
there was maybe only one throw that he would want
to have back. It was during the two minute drill.
He threw one that Carrington Valentine was able to tip
and deflect away and Valentine almost was able to get
an interception on it. That was like the only pass that,
at least from my observation, that Malik Willis would go
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into the locker room after that practice and say, oh
I wish I had that one back. Every other ball
he threw it felt like it was just it was
right where it needed to be, the timing of the play.
His guys were making plays for him. Malik Heath made
a tremendous catch along the sideline in that two minute
drill to help the number two offense get a field
goal in their scenario. I know that the goal is
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for Jordan Love to have a healthier season than he
did last year, and for Jordan Love to play every game,
and for Malik Willis not to have to play necessarily
meaningful snaps that quarterback for the Packers. But as much
as the Packers were in really good hands with Willis
last year when he did need to fill in, as
we saw, if something were to happen to Jordan Love
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this year, I think the Packers are in even better
hands with Malik Willis this year than they were last year.
And that's saying something.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
The peace of mind that a guy like that gives you,
And I wrote this is the best compliment I can
pay Malik Willis or any backup quarterback. He has completely
changed my philosophy on the backup quarterback position. Michael, there
was a time where I adhered to that whole. Okay,
you got Peyton Manning, you have dan Arlovski behind him.
If you lose, if Peyton Manning goes down, you just
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deal with what you're gonna deal with.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You're not gonna win the Super Bowl. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I watched Malik Willis last year and what he did.
I mean, the Packers do not make the playoffs probably
without him. No, last year, I don't think so had
that huge of an impact after coming in on short notice.
Now he's had a full offseason program. And to your
point is there are no style points in the NFL.
We know that professional football doesn't go hand in hand
with that, but Malik Willis throws about as beautiful of
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a pass as far as a downfield throw as you're
going to.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
See in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I mean, that thing is a nine point eight with
maybe the you know, if you're looking at like the
Olympic kind of like what is that gymnastics or whatever,
they kind of have the judges that go through it.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
It's incredible to watch.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
And one way or another, this I think this is
probably the most excited I've been to watch a backup
quarterback playing Green Bay since Vince Young was signed in
twenty thirteen, and that was for the wrong reason. I mean,
this guy, like watching him in the preseason, I think
is going to be worth the price ad mission alone
because he's playing to be the backup to Jordan Love.
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But my goodness, Michael, the more we watch him, the
more I am fully convinced this guy is going to
be pushing for a starting spot somewhere in the National
Football League next year.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I think so too. I think, I definitely think so.
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Speaker 1 (20:46):
It only took ten years.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, it only took ten years to get to this point.
But a couple other things would be remiss in terms
of talking about these first handful of practices if we
didn't mention that kicker, Brandon McManus. My goodness, twenty.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Three out of twenty three. The guy can't miss.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I mean, and it's not like he's just kicking extra
points out there either.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
He's kicked.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I believe three of his makes have been from fifty plus.
He ended both two minute drills on Monday with successful makes.
In the quote unquote pressure situation, Brandon McManus is as
locked in as any kicker I've ever seen in the
early stages of a training kick.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
And it's funny to me too, because we've heard so
much in the past about Okay, you have the wins
off of the Hudson Center, the difficulties there can be
kicking on Nichgie Field, Brandon McManus looks like he got
the crash course on it, figured it out pretty darn quick. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, but he's been able to do out there.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
And again, this is no disrespect all the other kickers
that have come through Green Bay. It is not easy
to find a place kicker in the National Football League.
Every year it seems like there's eight to ten teams
that are just trying to find somebody that's gonna stick
when you get that guy, as the Packers new for
a majority of Mason Crosby's sixteen seasons. Here it again.
We're talking about peace of mind with Malik Willis and
what Matt Lafuer responded to your question on Monday, I mean,
(22:06):
you don't even think about it. Yeah, when you have
a kicker that's that locked in, McManus is in the
zone right now. Obviously you wanted to carry over when
the kicks really matter, but you can't have momentum if
you don't get it initially. And certainly there is a
lot of wind in seventeen sales right now.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, last thing before we go. We touched on it
a little bit at the end of our last show.
Now it is actually official. You were out there in
the Stadium Bowl for the shareholders meeting on Friday, the
official transition from Mark Murphy as president and CEO of
the Packers to ed Policy. And I'm just curious your
(22:44):
thoughts in terms of just being there and witnessing it.
I was up at my desk working on some other things,
so I was sort of listening in so to speak,
but not paying as close attention as you were. But
I bring it up because this is the second president
slash CEO transition that I've a part of here with
the Packers. On the previous one where it went from
Bob Harlan to Mark Murphy, it wasn't really there wasn't
(23:08):
kind of this ceremony to it, because you know, there
was uncertainty for a while because the initial transition was
going to be to John Jones, and then some health
concerns there he had to step aside, which led to
the search firm finding the next president and CEO of
the team, which which is what brought Mark Murphy. And
Bob Harlan stayed on an entire extra year that he
(23:29):
wasn't planning on in terms of running the organization. So
it was just very different, I'll say back in late
two thousand and seven into two thousand and eight when
the transition was made this one, everything sort of happened
the way it was supposed to happen, And just your
thoughts on the visuals and what it looked like out there.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Well, first and foremost, I give so much credit to
the fans, the shareholders that were in attendance. I mean,
it showed so much respect and kindness towards Mark that
was great to see. There was a couple standing ovations
throughout the shareholders meeting and to see him get that
type of recognition. Obviously, you and I have talked a
lot about it. There's a lot of things that they've
done within the organization to honor him over the last
(24:10):
few months. Yeah, but it is ultimately that connection with
the fans that I think Mark works so hard to develop.
And again I wrote an insider inbox recently. I don't
think I ever saw him turn down a photo, turned
down an autograph, and you and I covered a lot
of pep rallies.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
There are a lot of autographs to be had out there.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Mark Murphy always always understood the number one job when
you are the presidency over the packers is you have
that responsibility to the fans, and Mark always remembered that
I'm excited for this transition. Now we start to roll
the ball forward, as Mark said, and there's no right
or wrong way to do this. But he's not going
(24:47):
to have an office at Lambeufield. He's not going to
be around here. Ed policy has his phone number. He
can call him anytime that he wants, has any questions,
he said, He'll always be there, but this is Ed's
time now. And Ed has been here for thirteen years.
He's been extremely successful with everything he's done with the Packers,
whether it be the title town development, whether it be
you know, various initiatives that if the Packers have done
(25:08):
outside of this building. This is the right guy for
the right time, in the right place here in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
And seeing that torch pass for someone that did not
go through it. I was at the newspaper at the time,
but I wasn't covering the team in any capacity at
that point. But to see this happen for the first time,
and them working together as well as they did over
the past year to sort of, you know, ease this transition,
(25:30):
I think the Packers are definitely set up to be
in a good spot here with Ed Policy at the Helm.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, and we'll have some more discussions later on. But
certainly you know Ed's background and with his dad, Carmen Policy,
and you know, running the forty nine ers during you know,
both the glory years and some transition times and whatnot
with the forty nine ers back in those days when
Ed was growing up in Youngstown, Ohio and his dad
is commuting back and forth from from Ohio to California
(25:59):
and all that. Some interesting stories that we've heard from
Ed Policy. But as you said, now it is his
time and uh and yeah, everything with regard to the
transition I think has has gone as uh as smoothly
and efficiently as possible. So with that, we'll call it
a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure
to continue following all of our coverage of training Camp
(26:20):
on packers dot com, stories, videos, podcasts like this one.
Everything is out there for you on the website for Wes.
I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. You
will see you next time.
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