July 31, 2025 • 27 mins
Mike and Wes provide the latest updates from training camp, including the strong early impressions being made by a pair of first-round picks, rookie WR Matthew Golden (:41) and second-year T/G Jordan Morgan (16:25). They also discuss the defense’s emphasis on forced fumbles (9:13), the possibility of O-line rotations (20:00), and what to look for on Family Night (23:33).
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spafford, joined as always
by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you
Hear from our studios at lambeau Field to continue Wes
our discussion of Packers' training camp. Now, since our last show,
there's actually only been one additional practice because the players
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did not have practice on Wednesday. So all told, six
practices in the books, two of them have been in pads.
And I think you would agree with me here that
today's discussion probably best start with a young wide receiver
named Matthew Golden, because holy cow, on the practice field
on Tuesday, the second padded practice of training camp. He
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was the star of the show.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
He was man. And it just seems like this entire week,
this first you know, six practices that we watched at
this time. Number twenty two is just keep find a
way to find the football and making big plays. And
I've talked a lot about just what he's able to
do underneath his quickness, his footwork, his ability to get
in and out of his brakes. But we saw on
Tuesday what this guy can do with his speed as well,
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a very deep crosser. He's going up against Nate Hobbs,
he's up against Evan Williams, two of the top guys
in the secondary, and the mount of separation he was
able to generate, and how Jordan Love was able to
put the pass on him sixty yard touchdown bomb. This
is an absolute game changer. And again, it's not gonna
happen overnight. It's gonna take time. He's gonna take some blumps.
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But when you're talking about a first round pick, when
you're talking about that receiver that the Packers have invested
into into their future, the promising signs are there with
Matthew Goldin.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And the growth that he is showing already in a
very short period of time is very promising as well.
After Tuesday's practice, I talked to him very briefly one
on one at his locker before the rest of the
meet horrid game, but I did have him one on
one just for a little bit, and I asked him
about that sixty yard touchdown pass and he immediately said,
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I had that same route the other day in practice,
and he said today, he said, I ran a little differently.
It's sort of a I don't want to call it,
you know, an out and up kind of thing. I
guess you'd call it a double move, sort of like
sort of like a you know, an in you know,
an in cut and then you go deep type of thing.
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And he said that essentially when he ran it again
on Tuesday compared to the previous day, he locked kind
of locked eyes with the cornerback and sold the shorter
route better with his eyes before he took the route deep.
And that's and you know, you know how it is
in this league. The margins are so slim. All these
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guys are incredibly fast, incredibly athletic, but if you just
do one little extra thing that gives you an edge,
that's what then gets him open on the deep ball,
and Jordan Love is able to put it on him
for the for the long touchdown. It's just an illustration
of adjustments. He's already making the growth that he's already showing.
He told me that things are slowing down for him
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a little bit. But the impression that I got in
chatting with him is that this is two things. This
is a young man who is very very confident in
what he can do, but he's also very aware that
he doesn't have this all nearly figured out yet. There's
got he's got the right perspective on it as he
goes about it, and there's a lot of excitement about
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what lies ahead for.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Him, humility mixed with natural talent and how far that
could take this guy. And again it's it's sort of
the hallmark a lot of the guys the Packers have
drafted over the years. There's a certain amount of character
that comes into it. Obviously if you know anything about
his history and where he comes from, what he's been,
you know, the way he was brought up. This is
a man that is going to get everything out of
his talent, everything out of his athleticism. Very interesting to
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see where he could take this thing from here. But
it is I laugh at it because it's like we're
sitting here and it seems like every day when we're
doing five things, there's a Matthew Golden note that you
could write, yeah, just based on something he's doing in
practice or some kind of potential impact he's making. And
the fact that the Packers aren't coorporating him as quickly
as they have been in some of their first team
starting packages. Again, I think speaks to his level of
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commitment to this thing and also the upside that's there.
I mean, Mattlin Floor has talked about it time and
time again. You don't want to set expectations too high
for young receivers, but the way the college game has gone,
more and more of these guys now are coming in
and making quick transitions. And again when the signs of
promise with Matthew Golden everything you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, And one thing that you said that also has
stood out, especially I'd say the last couple of practices.
You've talked about his ability both underneath and the short
area stuff and then also on the outside and down
the field, and we've seen that mixture in terms of
the types of plays that he can make. He had
one I can't remember now for sure if it was
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on Sunday or Monday, where he's running essentially like a
deep out towards the sideline and Keishawn Nixon's all over
really really good coverage. Jordan Love decides to, you know,
throw the sideline ball. Obviously there's some protection from the
interception there with with the sideline and Golden. Golden and
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Nixon kind of both go to the ground. Over by
the boundary and Golden ends up kind of rolling over
on top of Nixon and comes up with the football,
and it's like, now, I don't know on replay, if
you know, if you'd slow it down and look at it,
does he actually get both of his feet in bounds
or does he end up kind of rolling over Nixon
and going out of bounds. It might have been incomplete,
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but it just an incredible catch. When the ball left
Jordan Love's hand, I think all of us on the
sideline saw the coverage and saw where the ball was
head and it's like, oh, there's that. That's going to
be incomplete. He comes down with the football, whether it
was officially a completed pass or not. So those are
the types of things that we're seeing. He made a
great adjustment, some really good one on one reps which
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I wrote about. There's a story on packers dot com.
He had a series of three one on one reps
with Carrington Valentine, and those two guys were really going
at it. Two of the guys I think who have
been the standouts of camp on each side of the
ball so far, and on a deep ball from Jordan Love,
he made a great adjustment. Valentine had really good coverage
and Golden adjusts, you know, gets his body back to
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the inside and reaches out and makes the catch on
a ball that Jordan Love was actually afraid Valentine might
be able to intercept. So those are the types were
Those are the types of things that we're seeing from
Golden and the fact that it's just it's just six
practices in, it's been really impressive.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, and again I see so much of like when
you look at what Jayden Reid did early on, and
obviously Romeo Dobbs the way he practiced right away, it's
just the preparation with it. It's just impressive to watch
and you can just tell that the guys put the
time in to understand what his role is going to
be in this offense and trying to fill that as
quickly as possible, and honestly, that brings the floor up,
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It heightens the ceiling for that entire room. Yeah, I thought,
you know, Romeo Dobbs has had some really good practices
the past few days. Obviously, Jayden Reid had a big
day on Tuesday in the two minute period. Mkole Hardman
has made himself known here. Obviously, Dantavian Wick's currently working
his way through a calf injury. But the list goes
on and on and on. And when you have a
young guy like Golden come in, I mean, that's what
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pushes that tempo up.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, And Adam Sinowitz actually said yesterday when he spoke
with the media, he mentioned that Golden is kind of
reminding him a lot of the young guys who have
come through in the last couple of years, guys like
Dobbs and Christian Watson and Jaden Reid, and just how
they've looked and how they've prepared themselves for practice early
on to be able to get out there and make
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some plays right away. A couple of injuries to update
folks on. We will see where things are for Thursday's practice,
which will be after we are recording this show. But
Marshawn Lloyd injured his groin. Yeah, sorry, I lost it
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for a second there. Marshaon Lloyd with a groin injury.
And just to clarify, there's been a lot with regard
to a lot out there with regard to contact from
Nate Hobbs on a running play where Lloyd got hurt.
It's actually been determined that the contact from Hobbes didn't
have anything to do with the injury. Unfortunate either way
for Marshawn Lloyd's who's just dealt with an incredible amount
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of rotten luck. But hopefully this is not something that
keeps him out too offully long. And then don Tavian
Wicks in that receiver room, he's dealing with a calf injury,
so we'll see, we'll see when Wicks can get back
on the field. A couple of other things to touch
on stories that you and I, respectively have have posted
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on Packers dot Com. We'll start with yours. We got
a little bit more detail from defensive coordinator Jeff Halfley
as to just what all of this forced fumble emphasis
is all about. And and you wrote you wrote a
really good story. People can catch that on Packers dot
(09:27):
com as well, But tell us what we learned there.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, so it was fun. This all kind of started
last week in one of the team media or not
team media, but the Packers lockerroom availabilities, where Evan Williams
was talking about sort of this aggressiveness that we've seen
in practice, and Matt Lafluur has also talked about the
saying that this is the hardest he's ever seen his
defense attack the ball in this setting during his six
plus seasons as the Packers head coach. And it's not
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a coincidence. This was, as Jeff Hafley confirmed, the number
one emphasis other than play style, but in terms of
like trying to improve over last year, forcing more fumbles,
being more deliberate about punching the ball out, especially when
you're taking guys to the ground, and guys have been
whacking at the ball as we've been talking about some
haymakers and being thrown at the ball, like Jeff Haffley said,
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And the guy that he kind of deputized a little
bit to handle this is Wendell Davis, who's been a
quality control coach here for several years for the Green
Bay Packers, and they've now dubbed him the ball King,
and that is his role at the beginning of these
team meetings in the defensive side of the ball is
instructing guys on here's what happened in practice, charting and
taling various different metrics that they keep and presenting them
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to the various groups that are involved in this thing,
challenging them to be better Evan Williams said, you know,
the number that they're chasing right now is forty three, which,
to what I surmised, was actually the NFL record for
turnover margin in the National Football League. Washington did it
in nineteen eighty three. Mark Murphy had nine interceptions on
that team that year, was a first team All Pro
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and it's basically considered an unbreakable record. I think the
next closest isn't even in the thirties. Yeahs plus turnover margins.
So but as Halfley said, whatever the case may be,
whether they're trying to lead the league, whether they're trying
to break records, it is that diligence to be able
to chase something better. They had a lot of interceptions
last year, but he said, we did not force the
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fumble enough. We need to do that more because you're
not always going to be able to get picked. Sometimes
you're gonna have to force them in other ways, you're
gonna have to catch guys off guard. Packers were pretty
good at it last year. They were tied for eighth
and forced fumbles, and I believe it was third in
fumble recoveries. But they want to be able to take
it a little bit further. That's where that emphasis comes from.
That's why Wendell Davis has been putting together these productions.
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They mentioned they've even installed a button in the team
meeting room now so that when you hit it, the
play is made. A takeover his hat and practice a
siren goes off. I'm sure everybody enjoys that.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's like the batsiren or you know, like in the
bat cave.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Everybody knows and no, but I mean this is this
is again nobody's resting on their laurels. Here the best
Packers defensive performance in so many categories since the Super
Bowl season in twenty ten. Yeah, but it's what can
we do to get that much further as a team
this season? And the defense has taken that art.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
That must be fun for Wendell Davis to just to
go through the practice film and to find your you know,
from his point of view, he's finding all the instances
where the guys went after the ball he wants to show. Okay,
this is the aggression that they want, et cetera. But
then you're also finding the opportunities where somebody could have
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gone after the ball he didn't and showing those and
saying Hey, this was a missed opportunity here, you know,
et cetera. Again, as I said in our last show,
there is the caveat to this that the defense is
not tackling, or at least the first string defense. We
did see live tackling and practice on Tuesday with some
of the reserve units. First string units are not doing tackling,
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and as Tucker Craft pointed out, the offensive guys are
not allowed to stiff arm when in the open field
in order to protect the football, you know, and to
keep defenders away. So there are some caveats here to this.
But also, as I said, training camp is about emphasizing
certain things. You're trying to get things top of mind,
get things trained in the brain for when the players
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then put it all together and all of the things
that they need to do when when the games are
real and things are live. Man plus forty three, that's yeah,
I know. I've looked up a few times and the
number always escapes me, Like the the eighty five Bears
had like a ridiculous turnover margin. But I want to
say it was, you know, like plus thirty nine or
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something like that, Like it was it was in the
upper thirties.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
So what and if you think back to that time,
being able to take away the football that way but
then also.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Protected, yeah, protected at the same time on the other side.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
A lot about with some of those defenses, the Packers,
because I was looking up some of the Packers records.
I don't have them all in front of me right now.
But the record for most turnovers for US, I believe
is actually the nineteen eighty one defense, but unfortunately they
gave up a bunch of yards and then also they're
unfortunately with some offensive turnovers too, so that kind of
affected that margin. But yeah, there are some I think
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it's the Seattle Seahawks of was it nineteen eighty four
have the record for most turnovers generated in a season?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Is that what it is? And I believe eighty four Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, I think it's like I'm gonna get this wrong,
but I want to say it's like it's sixty nine
something like that in the modern era, in the post
nineteen seventies, because I think there's actually like a lot
of very bizarre stats.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Oh yeah, there's some. There's some crazy. There's some crazy
numbers from the early days. Nobody's protected the football, Nobody
cared apparently.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But but I like what what Jeff Hafley's message was,
and he did kind of say a tongue of cheeks.
He's like, I'd like it to be keeping some of
these secrets here that they're working on.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
But yeah, he did say, whether you lead.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
The league or not, you cannot lead the NFL in
these carriots. You cannot have these type of production, in
this type of success without practicing it, without preparing it.
He felt like they didn't coach it well enough last season.
They wanted to change that, and you're seeing that right now.
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training camp. Six practices in the books, two of them
and pads another one coming up shortly after Well and
I turn off the cameras. Here we heard from the
coordinators yesterday. We talked about what Jeff Hafley discussed one
of the key topics that came out of Adam Stenovich's
session with the media, which I wrote about story on
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Packers dot Com on this one as well, if you
want to check it out. Is kind of an early
look at where things are headed with these competitions on
the offensive line, and as we talked about all through
the off season, Jordan Morgan is going to be given
a chance to compete with Rashid Walker at left tackle
and with Sean Ryan at right guard for a starting job.
We don't know exactly where this is going to go
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or how it's going to shake out, but the early
look is that the coaches are liking what they see
from Jordan Morgan. And that's not to say that he's
going to be a starter on this offensive line. What
I took that to mean is that these competitions are
potentially going to create some very difficult decisions down the
road here for the Packers coaches in terms of which
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way they're going to go now, Jordan Morgan hasn't taken
a whole lot of snaps at left tackle yet because
of the injuries, the back injuries to both Aaron Banks
at left guard and Elton Jenkins at center. Morgan has
been taking a lot of snaps at left guard in
Banks instead. He's also taken some at right guard and
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while when Sean Ryan has been at center in place
of Jenkins, but Jenkins has been working his way back.
We'll see now if Banks starts to work his way
back into more of a full time workload, and when
it gets to that point, it sounds like Morgan is
going to be given some number one reps at left tackle.
The bottom line is the sense that I get anyway,
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is that these competitions on the offensive line are not
necessarily going to be decided anytime soon. This could go
on for a.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
While, yeah, And they want to keep guys going because,
I mean, when you have this type of versatility, and
these this amount of depth were going to need all
of it at some point. Jordan Morgan, whether he's a
Week one starter or not, is going to have a
role on this team this season. He's playing too many
different positions. And we know how dangerous and daring a
season can be in the National Football League trying to
get five offensive linemen from point A to point B
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without injury, without incidents. So one of the things I
really respect about the Matt Lafleur era from when he
came in the door, and this is a credit to
Adam Stenovich. Two, they have not been afraid to rotate
offensive lineman. Yeah, that is how Elton Jenkins got his
first opportunity in the league. And then what unfortunately ended
up happening that season was Lane Taylor suffers a season
and an injury in two weeks into that, rotating in
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Elton Jenkins, He's suddenly now your starting left guard yep,
and ends up having a PFWA all rookie type season.
The next year he goes to.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
The Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Sean Ryan, who was the every game starter last year
at right guard, well, how did he finally get his
opportunities in the same year in which John Runyan was
in a contract year. They started rotating in Sean Ryan
every other series or every two series to one to
give him some opportunities, to get him going once again,
to be able to integrate him. And by the way,
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did not hurt John Ryan at all. He's still John
running it all. Got a big contract from the New
York Giants that offseason.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, he got Ayday.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
But you have to be able to keep guys going
and you have to give them those opportunities. They are
so deep right now on this offensive line. We haven't
even talked about Anthony Belton in this camp.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Right the second round, second round pick.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
There's a lot of teams in the National Football League
that would draft a left tackle in the second round
and there would be no discussion. You're in the starting lineup.
We need you to contribute from day one. And while
Belton has endless amounts of potential, Seneta said, you know,
this young man still has a ways to go here.
We have to get him up to speed with what
we want to do offensively. When you talk about why
the Green Bay Packers offensive line has been successful, as
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your story articulated, it comes back to these principles not
throwing guys in bad positions and when they do get
out there, they know what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, and there's a long way to go here, and
we don't know if they are ultimately going to result
in any rotation starting in week one, but Stenovich did
not rule that out as a possibility. That may be
where things go. And we've seen these rotations take a
couple of different forms. You mentioned the one two seasons
ago with Sean Ryan and John Runyon at right guard,
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which was started somewhere around mid season, toward the second
half of the season, and it carried all the way
through the playoffs. At the same time, there was also
a rotation going on that season at left tackle between
Rashid Walker and yosh Niman, but in that case, Rashid
Walker essentially won the job through those rotations in that
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competition and then he became the full time guy and
yosh Niman was then on the bench. So these rotations
can can go different ways, and essentially, if the rotations carry,
and any rotation carries into the regular season, you have
to look at it as the competition is still going
going on. Somebody might win the competition, and then the
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decision is made the good thing for the Packers in
this even though there is some uncertainty now, and there
may be some uncertainty at the end of training camp here,
but the good thing for the Packers in the way
I articulated it in the story is that if somebody
is the odd man out at either left tackle or
right guard, and that player becomes the kind of the
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quote unquote sixth man on the offensive line, your sixth
man is either a first round pick from last year
in Jordan Morgan, an eighteen game starter at right guard
in Sean Ryan, or a thirty five game starter at
left tackle in Rashid Walker. If those are your options
for a sixth man on the offensive line, obviously, knock
on wood that everybody stays healthy, that's not a bad
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spot to be in. And then your seventh guy is
maybe a second round pick in Anthony Belton or a
fifth round pick from a year ago in Jacob Monk.
Sockers are trying to line things up here where guy
number six, guy number seven, maybe even guy number eight,
that they're going to feel really really good about their
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depth because you might have ten or eleven on the
active roster, but you're only going to probably have eight
of them active on game day, but they want to
have they want to feel really good about everybody they
have up through that eight, and that's the spot they're
trying to get to. And it wouldn't be a bad
spot to be in up It's.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Not because another thing you mentioned there, what happened when
Nelton Jenkins was out with the back injury, It was
Sean Ryan was the one rotating him as the number ones,
as the center.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
As the center. Yep, he was playing all.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Those interior spots. This is a guy that was a
three year starting left tackle at UCLA. It's just the
way of it. It's how these things have to go,
and it makes guys smarter too. Sewn Seawn even talked
about it this week. Him playing center has taught him
so much about the calls and when he's at guard,
what Elton Jenkins is looking for in those situations. And yeah,
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I think iron Sharpen's iron. In the fact that Jordan
Morgan has been able to come back from that shoulder
get back to the type of prospect that everybody thought
he could be, it bodes well for this offensive line
and where this thing could headen. Twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
And if Jordan Morgan hadn't gotten hurt, we may have
seen that rotation at right guard last a lot longer
last season because that was another rotation that they went with.
Ryan and Morgan were rotating at right guard. But then
the shoulder was a problem for Morgan. He needed to
have surgery, ended his season. They shut him down. But
now here we are in twenty twenty five. Last thing
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before we go. Family Nights coming up on Saturday night
at lambeau Field, and I'll just throw this out to you,
anything in particular you're looking for hoping to see on
Saturday night under the lights at Lambeau.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Always interesting, as Matt Lafleurer talked about, to see how
guys respond to these moments. Every year, it seemed like
during the Aaron Rodgers era, there was always a young
cornerback that stepped up, made a play, kind of made
a name for themselves. There's a bunch of different players
that I think you've seen sort of take what we've
seen in practice and now translate it into a crowd
of seventy eighty thousand people watching those guys rise to
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those moments, seeing the energy of that stadium fill up
for the first time now and what's been eight months
is always exciting. And the other part of it, too,
that I think can be a lot of fun is
watching some of the little memories that get made. I
will forever remember that kiddo that was catching punts last year.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Oh, that was incredible.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
One after another. He has Rich Basacia behind him. Rich
is coaching him up like it's the fourth quarter of
the Super Bowl. Yeah, trying to see if the young
man can catch as many of those footballs as possible.
Keyshawn Nixon, everybody's getting involved. That's what that night is
all about. It's very special, it's very unique, and in
addition to helping prep the players for that first preseason game,
which at that point will be a week away against
the Jets, it also is that reintroduction of football again.
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And there is I've said it time and time again, Mike,
I could do this job for another forty years. There
is no better feeling, there's no better energy when you're
walking into Lambeoufield on a game day. You hear kids laughing,
you smell the brats in the air, There's, you know,
maybe a little bit of sunshine involved with it.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
It really does feel like the kickoff of the season.
When Family Night arrives, it is a different vibe in
the stadium with the families and the kids, and it's
really neat in that respect, but it does feel like
the launching pad to everything that's gonna be coming up
in September and October and all the way down the line.
I'm with you. In terms of the action on the field,
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it always seems like, as long as the weather cooperates
and we don't get storms and all that business, and
as of now it looks like the weather forecast is
pretty decent for Saturday Night, it always seems like there
will be some young player, maybe it's a receiver, maybe
it's a running back, maybe it's a defensive back or
a linebacker, somebody who's been essentially running with the threes,
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you know, with the third string units, who will step
up and make a big play or two on Family Night,
and then that sort of elevates them up with the
twos moving into the rest of training camp and into
the first preseason game and stuff, and then suddenly that
guy who spent the first week and a half two
weeks of training camp with the threes is suddenly a
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guy to watch. Maybe as one of those dark horses,
you know, long shots to make the roster, and just
maybe a spot on the fifty three is waiting for
him if he can continue to build on what he
does on Family Night in front of the big crowds
and in the big spotlight. And I guess we'll just
have to see if somebody like that emerges this weekend.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And in so many ways, Mike, this is confirmation of
what a lot of guys will have done through the
first eight practices. When you see that consistency getting built,
when you see guys stitching together one solid practice after another,
when you translate it into lambeau Field, I think that's
when you start to realize, Okay, guys like this, there's
something there.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah. Absolutely well. We will talk about Family Night on
our next show early next week, but for now we'll
call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.
Be sure to follow all of our continuing coverage of
Training Camp on Packers dot com for Wesiam. Thank you
for tuning in everybody. We will see you next time.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Mm hmm.
Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spafford, joined as always
by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you
Hear from our studios at lambeau Field to continue Wes
our discussion of Packers' training camp. Now, since our last show,
there's actually only been one additional practice because the players
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did not have practice on Wednesday. So all told, six
practices in the books, two of them have been in pads.
And I think you would agree with me here that
today's discussion probably best start with a young wide receiver
named Matthew Golden, because holy cow, on the practice field
on Tuesday, the second padded practice of training camp. He
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was the star of the show.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
He was man. And it just seems like this entire week,
this first you know, six practices that we watched at
this time. Number twenty two is just keep find a
way to find the football and making big plays. And
I've talked a lot about just what he's able to
do underneath his quickness, his footwork, his ability to get
in and out of his brakes. But we saw on
Tuesday what this guy can do with his speed as well,
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a very deep crosser. He's going up against Nate Hobbs,
he's up against Evan Williams, two of the top guys
in the secondary, and the mount of separation he was
able to generate, and how Jordan Love was able to
put the pass on him sixty yard touchdown bomb. This
is an absolute game changer. And again, it's not gonna
happen overnight. It's gonna take time. He's gonna take some blumps.
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But when you're talking about a first round pick, when
you're talking about that receiver that the Packers have invested
into into their future, the promising signs are there with
Matthew Goldin.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And the growth that he is showing already in a
very short period of time is very promising as well.
After Tuesday's practice, I talked to him very briefly one
on one at his locker before the rest of the
meet horrid game, but I did have him one on
one just for a little bit, and I asked him
about that sixty yard touchdown pass and he immediately said,
(02:10):
I had that same route the other day in practice,
and he said today, he said, I ran a little differently.
It's sort of a I don't want to call it,
you know, an out and up kind of thing. I
guess you'd call it a double move, sort of like
sort of like a you know, an in you know,
an in cut and then you go deep type of thing.
(02:31):
And he said that essentially when he ran it again
on Tuesday compared to the previous day, he locked kind
of locked eyes with the cornerback and sold the shorter
route better with his eyes before he took the route deep.
And that's and you know, you know how it is
in this league. The margins are so slim. All these
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guys are incredibly fast, incredibly athletic, but if you just
do one little extra thing that gives you an edge,
that's what then gets him open on the deep ball,
and Jordan Love is able to put it on him
for the for the long touchdown. It's just an illustration
of adjustments. He's already making the growth that he's already showing.
He told me that things are slowing down for him
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a little bit. But the impression that I got in
chatting with him is that this is two things. This
is a young man who is very very confident in
what he can do, but he's also very aware that
he doesn't have this all nearly figured out yet. There's
got he's got the right perspective on it as he
goes about it, and there's a lot of excitement about
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what lies ahead for.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Him, humility mixed with natural talent and how far that
could take this guy. And again it's it's sort of
the hallmark a lot of the guys the Packers have
drafted over the years. There's a certain amount of character
that comes into it. Obviously if you know anything about
his history and where he comes from, what he's been,
you know, the way he was brought up. This is
a man that is going to get everything out of
his talent, everything out of his athleticism. Very interesting to
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see where he could take this thing from here. But
it is I laugh at it because it's like we're
sitting here and it seems like every day when we're
doing five things, there's a Matthew Golden note that you
could write, yeah, just based on something he's doing in
practice or some kind of potential impact he's making. And
the fact that the Packers aren't coorporating him as quickly
as they have been in some of their first team
starting packages. Again, I think speaks to his level of
(04:26):
commitment to this thing and also the upside that's there.
I mean, Mattlin Floor has talked about it time and
time again. You don't want to set expectations too high
for young receivers, but the way the college game has gone,
more and more of these guys now are coming in
and making quick transitions. And again when the signs of
promise with Matthew Golden everything you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, And one thing that you said that also has
stood out, especially I'd say the last couple of practices.
You've talked about his ability both underneath and the short
area stuff and then also on the outside and down
the field, and we've seen that mixture in terms of
the types of plays that he can make. He had
one I can't remember now for sure if it was
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on Sunday or Monday, where he's running essentially like a
deep out towards the sideline and Keishawn Nixon's all over
really really good coverage. Jordan Love decides to, you know,
throw the sideline ball. Obviously there's some protection from the
interception there with with the sideline and Golden. Golden and
(05:30):
Nixon kind of both go to the ground. Over by
the boundary and Golden ends up kind of rolling over
on top of Nixon and comes up with the football,
and it's like, now, I don't know on replay, if
you know, if you'd slow it down and look at it,
does he actually get both of his feet in bounds
or does he end up kind of rolling over Nixon
and going out of bounds. It might have been incomplete,
(05:52):
but it just an incredible catch. When the ball left
Jordan Love's hand, I think all of us on the
sideline saw the coverage and saw where the ball was
head and it's like, oh, there's that. That's going to
be incomplete. He comes down with the football, whether it
was officially a completed pass or not. So those are
the types of things that we're seeing. He made a
great adjustment, some really good one on one reps which
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I wrote about. There's a story on packers dot com.
He had a series of three one on one reps
with Carrington Valentine, and those two guys were really going
at it. Two of the guys I think who have
been the standouts of camp on each side of the
ball so far, and on a deep ball from Jordan Love,
he made a great adjustment. Valentine had really good coverage
and Golden adjusts, you know, gets his body back to
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the inside and reaches out and makes the catch on
a ball that Jordan Love was actually afraid Valentine might
be able to intercept. So those are the types were
Those are the types of things that we're seeing from
Golden and the fact that it's just it's just six
practices in, it's been really impressive.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, and again I see so much of like when
you look at what Jayden Reid did early on, and
obviously Romeo Dobbs the way he practiced right away, it's
just the preparation with it. It's just impressive to watch
and you can just tell that the guys put the
time in to understand what his role is going to
be in this offense and trying to fill that as
quickly as possible, and honestly, that brings the floor up,
(07:16):
It heightens the ceiling for that entire room. Yeah, I thought,
you know, Romeo Dobbs has had some really good practices
the past few days. Obviously, Jayden Reid had a big
day on Tuesday in the two minute period. Mkole Hardman
has made himself known here. Obviously, Dantavian Wick's currently working
his way through a calf injury. But the list goes
on and on and on. And when you have a
young guy like Golden come in, I mean, that's what
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pushes that tempo up.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, And Adam Sinowitz actually said yesterday when he spoke
with the media, he mentioned that Golden is kind of
reminding him a lot of the young guys who have
come through in the last couple of years, guys like
Dobbs and Christian Watson and Jaden Reid, and just how
they've looked and how they've prepared themselves for practice early
on to be able to get out there and make
(07:59):
some plays right away. A couple of injuries to update
folks on. We will see where things are for Thursday's practice,
which will be after we are recording this show. But
Marshawn Lloyd injured his groin. Yeah, sorry, I lost it
(08:20):
for a second there. Marshaon Lloyd with a groin injury.
And just to clarify, there's been a lot with regard
to a lot out there with regard to contact from
Nate Hobbs on a running play where Lloyd got hurt.
It's actually been determined that the contact from Hobbes didn't
have anything to do with the injury. Unfortunate either way
for Marshawn Lloyd's who's just dealt with an incredible amount
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of rotten luck. But hopefully this is not something that
keeps him out too offully long. And then don Tavian
Wicks in that receiver room, he's dealing with a calf injury,
so we'll see, we'll see when Wicks can get back
on the field. A couple of other things to touch
on stories that you and I, respectively have have posted
(09:06):
on Packers dot Com. We'll start with yours. We got
a little bit more detail from defensive coordinator Jeff Halfley
as to just what all of this forced fumble emphasis
is all about. And and you wrote you wrote a
really good story. People can catch that on Packers dot
(09:27):
com as well, But tell us what we learned there.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, so it was fun. This all kind of started
last week in one of the team media or not
team media, but the Packers lockerroom availabilities, where Evan Williams
was talking about sort of this aggressiveness that we've seen
in practice, and Matt Lafluur has also talked about the
saying that this is the hardest he's ever seen his
defense attack the ball in this setting during his six
plus seasons as the Packers head coach. And it's not
(09:52):
a coincidence. This was, as Jeff Hafley confirmed, the number
one emphasis other than play style, but in terms of
like trying to improve over last year, forcing more fumbles,
being more deliberate about punching the ball out, especially when
you're taking guys to the ground, and guys have been
whacking at the ball as we've been talking about some
haymakers and being thrown at the ball, like Jeff Haffley said,
(10:13):
And the guy that he kind of deputized a little
bit to handle this is Wendell Davis, who's been a
quality control coach here for several years for the Green
Bay Packers, and they've now dubbed him the ball King,
and that is his role at the beginning of these
team meetings in the defensive side of the ball is
instructing guys on here's what happened in practice, charting and
taling various different metrics that they keep and presenting them
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to the various groups that are involved in this thing,
challenging them to be better Evan Williams said, you know,
the number that they're chasing right now is forty three, which,
to what I surmised, was actually the NFL record for
turnover margin in the National Football League. Washington did it
in nineteen eighty three. Mark Murphy had nine interceptions on
that team that year, was a first team All Pro
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and it's basically considered an unbreakable record. I think the
next closest isn't even in the thirties. Yeahs plus turnover margins.
So but as Halfley said, whatever the case may be,
whether they're trying to lead the league, whether they're trying
to break records, it is that diligence to be able
to chase something better. They had a lot of interceptions
last year, but he said, we did not force the
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fumble enough. We need to do that more because you're
not always going to be able to get picked. Sometimes
you're gonna have to force them in other ways, you're
gonna have to catch guys off guard. Packers were pretty
good at it last year. They were tied for eighth
and forced fumbles, and I believe it was third in
fumble recoveries. But they want to be able to take
it a little bit further. That's where that emphasis comes from.
That's why Wendell Davis has been putting together these productions.
(11:39):
They mentioned they've even installed a button in the team
meeting room now so that when you hit it, the
play is made. A takeover his hat and practice a
siren goes off. I'm sure everybody enjoys that.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's like the batsiren or you know, like in the
bat cave.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Everybody knows and no, but I mean this is this
is again nobody's resting on their laurels. Here the best
Packers defensive performance in so many categories since the Super
Bowl season in twenty ten. Yeah, but it's what can
we do to get that much further as a team
this season? And the defense has taken that art.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
That must be fun for Wendell Davis to just to
go through the practice film and to find your you know,
from his point of view, he's finding all the instances
where the guys went after the ball he wants to show. Okay,
this is the aggression that they want, et cetera. But
then you're also finding the opportunities where somebody could have
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gone after the ball he didn't and showing those and
saying Hey, this was a missed opportunity here, you know,
et cetera. Again, as I said in our last show,
there is the caveat to this that the defense is
not tackling, or at least the first string defense. We
did see live tackling and practice on Tuesday with some
of the reserve units. First string units are not doing tackling,
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and as Tucker Craft pointed out, the offensive guys are
not allowed to stiff arm when in the open field
in order to protect the football, you know, and to
keep defenders away. So there are some caveats here to this.
But also, as I said, training camp is about emphasizing
certain things. You're trying to get things top of mind,
get things trained in the brain for when the players
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then put it all together and all of the things
that they need to do when when the games are
real and things are live. Man plus forty three, that's yeah,
I know. I've looked up a few times and the
number always escapes me, Like the the eighty five Bears
had like a ridiculous turnover margin. But I want to
say it was, you know, like plus thirty nine or
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something like that, Like it was it was in the
upper thirties.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
So what and if you think back to that time,
being able to take away the football that way but
then also.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Protected, yeah, protected at the same time on the other side.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
A lot about with some of those defenses, the Packers,
because I was looking up some of the Packers records.
I don't have them all in front of me right now.
But the record for most turnovers for US, I believe
is actually the nineteen eighty one defense, but unfortunately they
gave up a bunch of yards and then also they're
unfortunately with some offensive turnovers too, so that kind of
affected that margin. But yeah, there are some I think
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it's the Seattle Seahawks of was it nineteen eighty four
have the record for most turnovers generated in a season?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Is that what it is? And I believe eighty four Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, I think it's like I'm gonna get this wrong,
but I want to say it's like it's sixty nine
something like that in the modern era, in the post
nineteen seventies, because I think there's actually like a lot
of very bizarre stats.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Oh yeah, there's some. There's some crazy. There's some crazy
numbers from the early days. Nobody's protected the football, Nobody
cared apparently.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But but I like what what Jeff Hafley's message was,
and he did kind of say a tongue of cheeks.
He's like, I'd like it to be keeping some of
these secrets here that they're working on.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
But yeah, he did say, whether you lead.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
The league or not, you cannot lead the NFL in
these carriots. You cannot have these type of production, in
this type of success without practicing it, without preparing it.
He felt like they didn't coach it well enough last season.
They wanted to change that, and you're seeing that right now.
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training camp. Six practices in the books, two of them
and pads another one coming up shortly after Well and
I turn off the cameras. Here we heard from the
coordinators yesterday. We talked about what Jeff Hafley discussed one
of the key topics that came out of Adam Stenovich's
session with the media, which I wrote about story on
(16:17):
Packers dot Com on this one as well, if you
want to check it out. Is kind of an early
look at where things are headed with these competitions on
the offensive line, and as we talked about all through
the off season, Jordan Morgan is going to be given
a chance to compete with Rashid Walker at left tackle
and with Sean Ryan at right guard for a starting job.
We don't know exactly where this is going to go
(16:38):
or how it's going to shake out, but the early
look is that the coaches are liking what they see
from Jordan Morgan. And that's not to say that he's
going to be a starter on this offensive line. What
I took that to mean is that these competitions are
potentially going to create some very difficult decisions down the
road here for the Packers coaches in terms of which
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way they're going to go now, Jordan Morgan hasn't taken
a whole lot of snaps at left tackle yet because
of the injuries, the back injuries to both Aaron Banks
at left guard and Elton Jenkins at center. Morgan has
been taking a lot of snaps at left guard in
Banks instead. He's also taken some at right guard and
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while when Sean Ryan has been at center in place
of Jenkins, but Jenkins has been working his way back.
We'll see now if Banks starts to work his way
back into more of a full time workload, and when
it gets to that point, it sounds like Morgan is
going to be given some number one reps at left tackle.
The bottom line is the sense that I get anyway,
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is that these competitions on the offensive line are not
necessarily going to be decided anytime soon. This could go
on for a.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
While, yeah, And they want to keep guys going because,
I mean, when you have this type of versatility, and
these this amount of depth were going to need all
of it at some point. Jordan Morgan, whether he's a
Week one starter or not, is going to have a
role on this team this season. He's playing too many
different positions. And we know how dangerous and daring a
season can be in the National Football League trying to
get five offensive linemen from point A to point B
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without injury, without incidents. So one of the things I
really respect about the Matt Lafleur era from when he
came in the door, and this is a credit to
Adam Stenovich. Two, they have not been afraid to rotate
offensive lineman. Yeah, that is how Elton Jenkins got his
first opportunity in the league. And then what unfortunately ended
up happening that season was Lane Taylor suffers a season
and an injury in two weeks into that, rotating in
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Elton Jenkins, He's suddenly now your starting left guard yep,
and ends up having a PFWA all rookie type season.
The next year he goes to.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
The Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Sean Ryan, who was the every game starter last year
at right guard, well, how did he finally get his
opportunities in the same year in which John Runyan was
in a contract year. They started rotating in Sean Ryan
every other series or every two series to one to
give him some opportunities, to get him going once again,
to be able to integrate him. And by the way,
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did not hurt John Ryan at all. He's still John
running it all. Got a big contract from the New
York Giants that offseason.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, he got Ayday.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
But you have to be able to keep guys going
and you have to give them those opportunities. They are
so deep right now on this offensive line. We haven't
even talked about Anthony Belton in this camp.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Right the second round, second round pick.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
There's a lot of teams in the National Football League
that would draft a left tackle in the second round
and there would be no discussion. You're in the starting lineup.
We need you to contribute from day one. And while
Belton has endless amounts of potential, Seneta said, you know,
this young man still has a ways to go here.
We have to get him up to speed with what
we want to do offensively. When you talk about why
the Green Bay Packers offensive line has been successful, as
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your story articulated, it comes back to these principles not
throwing guys in bad positions and when they do get
out there, they know what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, and there's a long way to go here, and
we don't know if they are ultimately going to result
in any rotation starting in week one, but Stenovich did
not rule that out as a possibility. That may be
where things go. And we've seen these rotations take a
couple of different forms. You mentioned the one two seasons
ago with Sean Ryan and John Runyon at right guard,
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which was started somewhere around mid season, toward the second
half of the season, and it carried all the way
through the playoffs. At the same time, there was also
a rotation going on that season at left tackle between
Rashid Walker and yosh Niman, but in that case, Rashid
Walker essentially won the job through those rotations in that
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competition and then he became the full time guy and
yosh Niman was then on the bench. So these rotations
can can go different ways, and essentially, if the rotations carry,
and any rotation carries into the regular season, you have
to look at it as the competition is still going
going on. Somebody might win the competition, and then the
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decision is made the good thing for the Packers in
this even though there is some uncertainty now, and there
may be some uncertainty at the end of training camp here,
but the good thing for the Packers in the way
I articulated it in the story is that if somebody
is the odd man out at either left tackle or
right guard, and that player becomes the kind of the
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quote unquote sixth man on the offensive line, your sixth
man is either a first round pick from last year
in Jordan Morgan, an eighteen game starter at right guard
in Sean Ryan, or a thirty five game starter at
left tackle in Rashid Walker. If those are your options
for a sixth man on the offensive line, obviously, knock
on wood that everybody stays healthy, that's not a bad
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spot to be in. And then your seventh guy is
maybe a second round pick in Anthony Belton or a
fifth round pick from a year ago in Jacob Monk.
Sockers are trying to line things up here where guy
number six, guy number seven, maybe even guy number eight,
that they're going to feel really really good about their
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depth because you might have ten or eleven on the
active roster, but you're only going to probably have eight
of them active on game day, but they want to
have they want to feel really good about everybody they
have up through that eight, and that's the spot they're
trying to get to. And it wouldn't be a bad
spot to be in up It's.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Not because another thing you mentioned there, what happened when
Nelton Jenkins was out with the back injury, It was
Sean Ryan was the one rotating him as the number ones,
as the center.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
As the center. Yep, he was playing all.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Those interior spots. This is a guy that was a
three year starting left tackle at UCLA. It's just the
way of it. It's how these things have to go,
and it makes guys smarter too. Sewn Seawn even talked
about it this week. Him playing center has taught him
so much about the calls and when he's at guard,
what Elton Jenkins is looking for in those situations. And yeah,
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I think iron Sharpen's iron. In the fact that Jordan
Morgan has been able to come back from that shoulder
get back to the type of prospect that everybody thought
he could be, it bodes well for this offensive line
and where this thing could headen. Twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
And if Jordan Morgan hadn't gotten hurt, we may have
seen that rotation at right guard last a lot longer
last season because that was another rotation that they went with.
Ryan and Morgan were rotating at right guard. But then
the shoulder was a problem for Morgan. He needed to
have surgery, ended his season. They shut him down. But
now here we are in twenty twenty five. Last thing
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before we go. Family Nights coming up on Saturday night
at lambeau Field, and I'll just throw this out to you,
anything in particular you're looking for hoping to see on
Saturday night under the lights at Lambeau.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Always interesting, as Matt Lafleurer talked about, to see how
guys respond to these moments. Every year, it seemed like
during the Aaron Rodgers era, there was always a young
cornerback that stepped up, made a play, kind of made
a name for themselves. There's a bunch of different players
that I think you've seen sort of take what we've
seen in practice and now translate it into a crowd
of seventy eighty thousand people watching those guys rise to
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those moments, seeing the energy of that stadium fill up
for the first time now and what's been eight months
is always exciting. And the other part of it, too,
that I think can be a lot of fun is
watching some of the little memories that get made. I
will forever remember that kiddo that was catching punts last year.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Oh, that was incredible.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
One after another. He has Rich Basacia behind him. Rich
is coaching him up like it's the fourth quarter of
the Super Bowl. Yeah, trying to see if the young
man can catch as many of those footballs as possible.
Keyshawn Nixon, everybody's getting involved. That's what that night is
all about. It's very special, it's very unique, and in
addition to helping prep the players for that first preseason game,
which at that point will be a week away against
the Jets, it also is that reintroduction of football again.
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And there is I've said it time and time again, Mike,
I could do this job for another forty years. There
is no better feeling, there's no better energy when you're
walking into Lambeoufield on a game day. You hear kids laughing,
you smell the brats in the air, There's, you know,
maybe a little bit of sunshine involved with it.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
It really does feel like the kickoff of the season.
When Family Night arrives, it is a different vibe in
the stadium with the families and the kids, and it's
really neat in that respect, but it does feel like
the launching pad to everything that's gonna be coming up
in September and October and all the way down the line.
I'm with you. In terms of the action on the field,
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it always seems like, as long as the weather cooperates
and we don't get storms and all that business, and
as of now it looks like the weather forecast is
pretty decent for Saturday Night, it always seems like there
will be some young player, maybe it's a receiver, maybe
it's a running back, maybe it's a defensive back or
a linebacker, somebody who's been essentially running with the threes,
(25:45):
you know, with the third string units, who will step
up and make a big play or two on Family Night,
and then that sort of elevates them up with the
twos moving into the rest of training camp and into
the first preseason game and stuff, and then suddenly that
guy who spent the first week and a half two
weeks of training camp with the threes is suddenly a
(26:07):
guy to watch. Maybe as one of those dark horses,
you know, long shots to make the roster, and just
maybe a spot on the fifty three is waiting for
him if he can continue to build on what he
does on Family Night in front of the big crowds
and in the big spotlight. And I guess we'll just
have to see if somebody like that emerges this weekend.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And in so many ways, Mike, this is confirmation of
what a lot of guys will have done through the
first eight practices. When you see that consistency getting built,
when you see guys stitching together one solid practice after another,
when you translate it into lambeau Field, I think that's
when you start to realize, Okay, guys like this, there's
something there.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah. Absolutely well. We will talk about Family Night on
our next show early next week, but for now we'll
call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.
Be sure to follow all of our continuing coverage of
Training Camp on Packers dot com for Wesiam. Thank you
for tuning in everybody. We will see you next time.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Mm hmm.
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