August 12, 2025 • 26 mins
Mike and Wes review the preseason opener vs. the Jets, looking at the Packers’ struggles (:22) as well as the positive performances on offense by WR Matthew Golden (5:54) and LT Jordan Morgan (8:18), and the standouts on defense, led by DL Colby Wooden, LB Ty’Ron Hopper and rookie DL Barryn Sorrell (12:18).
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Packers dot Com. I am Lake Spoffer, joined as always
by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you
hear from our studios at lambeau Field to discuss to
review the Packers preseason opener. And Wes, it wasn't pretty.
Thirty to ten Jets was the final score. And I
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don't think we need to go over all of the
drop passes and the penalties and the turnovers and the mistackles.
We don't need to go over all them chapter and verse.
But I think it's safe to say that there's a
bit of a I guess a reset you might say,
happening here in training camp. With a big week now
on the horizon for Green Bay. With the joint practice
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with the Colts on Thursday in Indianapolis followed by the
second preseason game, there's sort of been a reminder that, Okay,
you know, there is a difference between practice in a
preseason game. The Packers kind of found that out the
hard way on Saturday night. And I think the expectation
is that things will be much much better this weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yes, and here's a couple of things on this one.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
The downside of this, the negative side of this is,
you know, the Packers, you know, had a rough outing
on Saturday, as you mentioned, whether it was just the
slow start at the beginning, the penalties and obviously some
of the drop passes. Defensively, we're not able to stop
that first wave of the Jets first team offense and
Justin Fields doing it with both his feet and his arm.
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That's all, is what it is. The good part of
this and the reminder of it is it does show
you what the game is like again when you're facing
an opponent that just wants to punch you in the mouth,
as opposed to when you are practicing against yourself for
two and a half weeks where yeah, you know, Keishawn
Nixon and Nate Hobbs might get a little frisky out there,
but ultimately everybody's trying to protect everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
This is a different game when you go out there
and it is back to.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Being you know, just a slabby knocker for a lack
of a better term.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, so that's in the back pocket. Now. This is
a big challenge this.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Week because historically speaking, if you look at the joint
practices we've watched both in green Bay and the ones
on the road. They always favor the home team. Yeah,
it's not a surprise that green Bay went to Denver
last year and struggled, but then took it to the
Baltimore Ravens once they came to green Bay, which would
end up being one of the best teams in the
NFL last season. So Packers have to overcome that. They
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have to put their best foot forward. The thing that
somebody had asked in the Insider inbox about you know,
the biggest debacles I've covered, and I said there was
literally two of them, Desmond Bishop blowing out his hamstring
and also Jordan Nelson in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
When it comes to preseason gain with.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
The preseason, yes, yes, the preseason, blowing out the ACL
everything else you can work with beyond season ending, career
altering type injuries. Yeah, and that's where green Bay has
to get back to this week.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, I mean, I know, we know they're there's going
to be a lot of focus on the bounce back
aspect of this, whether you're talking about the first team
offense for the Packers, which only managed a couple of
first downs in the two series that it had on
the field, the first team defense, which, as you mentioned
Justin Fields engineered scoring drive for the Jets right out
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of the gate, or certain individuals Mikkole Hardman made some
mistakes obviously in punt return. Jacob Munk had some penalties.
They weren't the only guys those Those are two that
stand out because their names were called a bunch during
the course of the game. All that being said, those guys,
those guys will be looking to bounce back. But you
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also can't look at a preseason performance like that and
just go, oh, well, that was a complete waste of time,
and you know, you throw the tape in the trash
or whatever. For one, there are a lot of guys,
there are a lot of young guys who are going
to learn something from that. But there are also some
guys that put some pretty good things on tape and
and did some nice things out there. And I think
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that starts with when you're talking the first team offense
for the Packers, Matthew Golden got to line up across
from Sauce Gardner. Yeah yeah, and you know gets gets
a third down conversion and on another one ends up
drawing a DPI to UH to get another first down
in a third down situation. So those even though it
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was it was very brief and it was all just
in the first quarter, those are the kinds of experiences
for a young player like Matthew Golden, who is who
is expected to be obviously a big part of this
UH Packers offense as a first round pick out wide receiver.
Those of those, those experiences are invaluable for a young
player at this stage of his career.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I'm telling you, man, he is so sudden, and I
feel like I've been beating this drum ball camp. But
it's just it watching his footwork against Sauce Gardner and
then by the way the slant ends up having to
kind of pluck it a little bit. I think that
was away from his body and having to pull it in,
And it was a moment that.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Green Bay's offense desperately needed. They had to drop right
away with Rome.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
They were you know, they had a little bit of
a pickup, but had really been sort of stammering there
early on. That felt like the initial shot, that little
jolt that that offense needed. Now, unfortunately they weren't able
to sustain it. But I think it just gives you,
and it gives Packer fans just a better feel maybe
the ones that didn't come out to training practice or
didn't get the family and I didn't get a chance
to see him yet of what this guy has to
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offer the comparison I've been drawing. And again, I know
people hate comparisons, and I'm not the biggest fan of
him either, but he just reminds me of that Aaron
Jones type playmaker where you cannot find him and by
the time you.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Do, he's passed you already.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And it's not just because he's a smaller type receiver.
It's because he's just so explosive his first two feet
when they get in the ground, he is picking up
speed immediately. So it's not about how fast his car
can go, it's about how quickly he can get there. Yeah,
and I feel like that's where Matthew Golden is really
going to now Green Bay. For as much as we
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talk about these receivers, they have to get healthy. Like
it's wild. The fact that we were watching practice. There
was a close practice on Monday and the top three
guys were Rome, Matthew Golden, and Savion Williams. Yeah, because
of Dantavian Wicks is dealing with, you know, this calf injury,
and you've had you know, Christian Watson working his way back,
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and unfortunately now Jayden Reid with.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
This foot injury. Kind of the top guys right now
for Green Bay or OL.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
So when you talk about building depth and when you
talk about young guys having to perform right away, I
thought this was at least a good indicator that a
guy like Golden especially can really handle that moment.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, and it's an opportunity that he stepped into seamlessly,
which I think and the fact that we kind of
all expected that says something about him and what we've
seen of him so far that it was certainly not
a surprise. Injury update is definitely worth doing here because
Jaden reed the last couple of days that we've seen him,
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he is in a walking boot. He's dealing with a
foot injury. There's been no timeline given exactly on when
he might be able to return to practice. The hope
is that he will be ready for the regular season
opener against the Lions next month. And in a similar fashion,
Xavier McKinney, the Packers All Pro safety, He is currently
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out with a calf injury, and this happened he was
sidelined last week. He did not play, neither did Read
in the preseason game against the Jets. M McKinney told
reporters he doesn't really expect to practice much, if at all,
the rest of training camp, and he has his eye
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on Week one with the Lions as well, presumably in
him talking that way, at least the way what I
gathered from McKinney is that when the team gets into
the practice sequence of preparation for the Lions is when
he is planning to be hoping to and planning to
be back on the field during you know, once the
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roster gets cut down and all the focus then turns
to Week one. So a couple of significant injuries there,
I should say, injuries to significant players that that the
Packers are dealing with. But back to Saturday night. On
the offensive side, I also thought Jordan Morgan, now this
is the first time we had talked about it last week.
This was the first time we were going to see him
at left tackle in NFL game action because he only
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played guard during his rookie year before the before the
shoulder injury shut him down. I thought Jordan Morgan acquitted
himself well playing playing left tackle for the first time.
I think it's a it's a performance that that hopefully
he can build upon as this competition with Rashid Walker
at left tackle ramps up. Rashid Walker was back in
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practice just for individual drills on Monday, coming back from
the grain injury. So we'll see how long it takes
Walker to to to get back into the eleven on
eleven where we might see a rotation then with Morgan
and Walker at left tackle. But I thought the twenty
twenty four first round pick, you know, held up just fine.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, I felt like this was a good thing for
the offensive line to go through too, because it's allowed
two things to happen. One, Jordan's just finally getting a
chance to rep left tackle again instead of being in
a rotation, which is what he mostly had been in
last year. This is actually an opportunity to kind of
get his feet wet and just to feel that stability
and confidence kind of return after that was obviously a
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position he played for so many years at Arizona. At
the same time, Sean Ryan has been able to kind
of settle in at the right guard spot while also
spelling the center position with Elton Jenkins, and I'll tell.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
You what you know.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
For Shawn, it didn't go great with the second team offense. Obviously,
there was that stripsack in the end zone of Malik
Willis ends up turning into a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
But that's a valuable.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Experience for a guy that has never played that position
before other than just a handful of preseason games and
some practices. Yeah, all these guys in gaining that experience.
You know, I thought Anthony Belton, you know, he had
the two penalties, but otherwise acquitted himself very well at
the right tackle spot.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
He showed he's he is a he is a handful
when it comes to running the ball. I mean, if
you're a run defender who needs to try to set
the edge against Anthony Belton, you got your hands full.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And I haven't covered a right tackle like that in
Green Bay. I was thinking about this as we were
watching that game unfold. You know, if you go back
to it, I mean, Brian Blaga compared to me, is
a massive human being.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But the Packers have.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Never had like a mauling right tackle before. They've always
sort of been in that three point fifteen. I mean,
even Zach tom has listed at three h four, they've
been a little bit more that athletic type. The traditional
right tackle is more in the build of an Anthony Belton,
and I think that's something that's really intriguing is that, Yeah,
he can also hold up in pass protection, be accountable there,
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but he's going to be able to move the guy
in front of him as well. And the Packers, I think,
in a lot of ways, have had those opportunities. Lastly,
I just want to close on this as far as
the offensive line, Donovan Jenning's getting a lot more work too.
He was a guy the Packers were very high on
last year as an undrafted rookie. Yeah, end up having
some injuries, didn't really get a lot of opportunities in
the preseason. He ends up being on the practice squad
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all last year. But he's been running consistently now with
that number two unit, you know, with some of the
other injuries that have been happening. So yeah, I mean, again,
plenty to learn from. But I thought by and large,
whether it was the first team, second team, and definitely
once you got to the third team offensive line, I
thought that group definitely showed what they can do.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
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Welcome back to Packers unscripted Wess talking about the defensive
side of things for the Packers in this game, I
think the first guy to talk about because it's not
just what he did on the field, but it's also
what happened off the field. And I'm talking about defensive
lineman Colby Wooden had a very strong performance. I think
he was credited with six tackles, he deflected a pass,
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showed some things both defending the run and in the
pass rush, and maybe he just had that little extra
bounce in his step for this game because of what
had happened earlier in the day. He was presented with
his degree from Auburn University in an actual sort of
ceremony in front of the entire team. The Packers, you know,
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kind of went out of their way to make this
a big deal, and rightfully so for Colby Wooden, who
had promised his mother when he got drafted that he
was going to finish his degree, and he stuck to
that promise and he's now a graduate of Auburn.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, and he did it.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I mean to do it two years out now. Obviously
he was at Auburn for four years. He was really
close to begin with. He only needed three more collasses.
He kept couching it. When we were talking about He's like, well,
you know, it was the off season. There's not a
lot of else stuff going on, so it's like it
made sense.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
A lot of people don't do that. You know.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I go on vacation a couple of weeks a year.
I'm not trying to get my masters you know what
I mean. It still says something about the guy that
he wanted to to fulfill that commitment and be someone
that graduated from his family.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I remember other guys that, other guys that we've come
across over the years. Randall Cobb did that, he finished
his degree in the off season. I believe Casey Hayward
did that as well from Vanderbilt. So not the first
time it's happened, but in my time here, it's the
first time that I recall there actually sort of being
a ceremony inside the team meeting room where the guy
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was presented with his college degree.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah, so the Kobe said he had talked to Matt
Lafleur about it.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
They knew the date was coming up.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
It was on the commencement summer commencement was actually on Saturday,
So he actually did think about going to walk, but
then ultimately he's like, I wanted to be out there
with my brothers. I wanted to go to war with
them out there. So Matt Lafleur in the coaching staff
and Pat Moore, one of the Packers assistant director of
scouting college scouting who's in Auburn grad lives in Auburn
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they decided to put on and I said pseudo graduation ceremony.
Matt Lafluir corrected, it was a full on graduation ceremony
in the team meeting room. And it was such a
neat moment because not only that, but they brought his mom, Nicole.
They had her fly up to spend that moment with
him and to surprise him. He said, it did kind
of get tipped off because she wasn't returning his calls
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and that's very unlike her. So, but that being said,
I mean, just to be able to have that moment,
and I was talking with Kenny Clark about it in
the locker room on Monday, I mean, it was a
really emotional thing for those guys to be able to
witness that. Kobe's a very popular guy in that locker room,
a very extroverted, expressive type individual. He's been that way
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since he got here, So to see him get that
recognition I think was very meaningful. And then also on
the other side of it, he played really well. He
talked about Yo, this is a pivotal year for him
this year.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
There's a big opportunity with TJ.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Slayton moving on to Cincinnati for him to be ingrained
in more of a consistent, permanent role. I mean, he
was a scratch early last season. Now he put on
more weight. He's now up about thirty pounds from when
he got here two and a half years ago, and
he wants to show everybody that's involved with the Packers
organization that he can be one of those entrench guys
up front that they can rely on.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
And as we talked about throughout the offseason, the biggest
challenge for the Packers upfront defensively is can they get
a more consistent, reliable, threatening pass rush without sacrificing what
was a pretty solid run defense last year. And Kobe wouldn't.
Pally is going to be a part of that solution,
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I thought, And this is the kind of thing and
I say this for a guy like Kobe Wooden, a
guy like Christian Welch, and a guy like kings leyann Igbari,
all of whom I thought with the second team defense
played pretty well and really showed some things out there.
And I think with veteran players like that, with guys
who have been around, maybe they're not full fledged starters
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in the NFL yet, but they've got their share of
NFL experience, they played in their share of regular season games,
that when they get out there in a preseason game
against a second unit, they should be able to show something.
They should be able to control the action to a
certain extent, and I thought they did that. When you
throw in the fact that younger guys who haven't played
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a whole lot of NFL snaps yet, like a Tyron Hopper,
like a Baron Surrell, when you see those guys in
a first preseason game of this particular summer show up
the way they did, those are the kinds of things
that are also very, very promising. I thought those were
two other guys, Hopper and Sorell in that defensive front,
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Surrell on the edge obviously in Hopper off ball linebacker.
I thought those guys showed some things in this game
as well.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I really like Tyron Hopper. I know you know that
because I've been talking a lot about him, but just
watching the way he plays, there's a lot of years,
Mike where Tyron Hopper would have been the guy that
probably goes in there alongside you know, AJ Hawk right
off the bat.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
You mentioned Desmond Bishop earlier earlier in this show. I mean,
if there is, if there is a guy that I've
seen before that Tyron Hopper reminds me of Desmond Bishop
is the guy that comes to mind.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Well, and like you said, I mean he defines and
kind of epitomizes that idea of a thumper. And he's
definitely a guy that tackles. He doesn't chase. I mean,
he goes to the action and he is motivated to
do that. And it just seems like every single time
I watch him, I look, I'll watch him for ten
minutes and then I look at the statue and he
has eight tackles, like he is just wherever they need
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him to be. So I don't know how this is
going to shuffle up, but when we talk about how
deep this inside linebacker room is, number fifty nine is
a big part of that. And I think at some point,
sooner than later, you're going to see him kind of
trickling into that more consistent rotation up there, because for
as many eyeballs are on Edger and Cooper and as
they should be. Yeah, I look at Tyron Hopper is
sort of that change of pace guy, kind of like
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what they did at the tight end position where you
drafted Luke Musgrave and Tucker Krab both second day draft picks,
but kind of the antithesis of each other as tight ends.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
That's kind of the way that.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Cooper and Hopper are where not that Cooper doesn't have
what Hopper has, or Hopper it doesn't have the athleticism
that Cooper has, but they just are so good at
doing what they do well. So these next two preseason
games for him, I think are going to be huge
because it's not just the fact that these going and
getting tackles. They're letting him call the defense. You see
him communicating that we're in the headset there, and it
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seems like long term wise, that's where Green Bay's developing them,
that's where they want him to go.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah. Absolutely, the fourth round, key fourth round pick on
the defensive side, Baron Serell, I thought he showed something
in the pass rush. He was he was a bit
of a problem and wasn't able to get any Sachs
did get a couple of quarterback hits. To the credit
of the Jets quarterbacks Brady Cook and uh and Martinez
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I'm trying to remember the first name, Adrian, sorry, Adrian Martinez.
To their credit, they stood in there and delivered some
delivered some passes while they took uh while they took
some hits. But but I thought it was I thought
it was a really good first showing for for Baron Serell.
Where we're still waiting, unfortunately, still waiting for Colin Oliver,
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the other edge rusher who was part of this draft class.
We're still waiting for him to get healthy, to h
to get back on the practice field. But Sorell showed
that that you know, he might have a spot in
this in this rotation to try to get some pressure
on the quarterback as well.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Documented you and I split the one on ones during
the padded work, so I'm always with the offensive offense
in defensive line, you're over with the dbs and receivers.
But the one thing that has stood out to me
about Cirell, and maybe you've gotten a feel for this
with something, it is really hard for offensive linemen to
keep their hands on him. Yeah he is slippery, Yeah
he's athletic, and yeah he's powerful, but he's not the
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biggest edge rusher you've ever seen before. He's not a
Julius Peppers type, but he seems to have that type
of wiry frame that he's very elusive. It almost feels like,
and I mean, I'm sure that's a credit to his
get off and his footwork and obviously what he does
with his hands when he battles there coming out of
the corner. But I really have liked everything I've seen with.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Baron Cerell so far.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I watching him, I kind of start to get a
feel for why he was the type of player he
was at Texas.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
He's just consistent.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
This rotation, man, I mean, it didn't show up so
much in the game, especially with the limited reps the
first team got, but I mean, Lucas Faness has been
wreaking a lot of havoc on the practice field. Obviously,
we've seen what Brenton Cox Junior can do, and you
were just talking about Kingsley and Igbari the rotation there.
The more we're watching them throughout this camp and even
some of the stuff we saw in the offseason program,
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you start to get a better feel for why the
Green Bay Packers didn't feel like they had to go
out and get a veteran edge rusher to pair with
all these guys they have that in Rashan. It's kind
of seeing, okay with all this talent you have sort
of like the receiver position, which person's gonna grab the
brass ring and kind of run away with the job.
But there's a lot of guys that are making convincing,
convincing bids right now for playing time.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And I thought when we heard from a handful of
assistant coaches on Sunday, the day after the game, I
thought Jeff Hafley had one of the most interesting comments
about Baron Surrell in that he wasn't just talking about,
you know, kind of the flashes that he made in
the pass rush and everything. He was saying that he
saw a rookie who was self correcting out on the field,
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that something would happen to play, wouldn't go quite right,
or maybe his technique wasn't quite right on a certain play,
and then the next play he was fixing himself elf
along the way. I don't know if I've ever heard
a coach say that about a rookie, you know, in
his first preseason action as an NFL player. So that's
the kind of that that was the kind of thing
that caught my ear with Cerell. And it tells you
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that even though the Packers have, you know, they have
Rashaun Garry and Lucas Faness and and Brenton Cox and
and jj A Nagbari. They have those guys. Serell might
work his way onto the field as a rookie and
get some chances here in his first season in the NFL.
Last thing before we go, any other comments from those
assistant coaches that stood out to you when we heard
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from them on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Well, and I just have to say before we stop
talking about the game, I just have to mention Amar
Johnson's name, because the guy had an incredible When you
talk about I missed him in the when we're talking
about offense, but we're talking about the Packers looking for something,
a silver lining, something to give them a jolt of
the game. On Johnson, Packers are under one hundred total
yards at that point. That guy went out there and
he was playing like this is this is it? This
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is his moment. If he doesn't do this, his career
is over. I mean that guy felt like the way
he was bouncing off tacklers. South Dakota State another guy
that's trying to prove himself from the FCS level, the
same program that Tucker Craft came out of. I just
I tipped my cap to him, and also Sean Clifford
going down the field trying to get that last block
to spring his running back.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I just had to know you're.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You're right, You're right, and that's and that's on me
that I shifted. I shifted away from the offense before
we did talk about and I'll say this about Johnson
as well, that I thought, even before the thirty nine
yard touchdown run where he bounced off the tackle, cut
it back across, got that little extra escort from Sean
Clifford down the field. But I thought, even before that play,
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my impression with the Packers being thin at running back,
and just to update, we have seen Marshawn Lloyd and
Emmanuel Wilson were back in individual drills in practice on Monday,
so perhaps they're working their way back and the Packers
won't be quite so thin at running back. But with
with them being thin the way they were, and Josh
Jacobs actually didn't get carry on Saturday night, even before
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the thirty nine yard touchdown run, my impression was of
Oamar Johnson was while this guy runs hard hard, I mean,
because even if it was just a four yard carrier,
he bounces off one tackle and gets like six yards
or something like that. It caught your eye, It made
an impression, and then it sort of all came to
fruition when he ends up breaking into the open field
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and gets the long touchd on ru And Yeah, hats
off to Sean Clifford for that nice extra little blockdown field.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Credit to you.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I'm glad you brought up the assistant coaches because we
talked to him on Sunday afternoon, right and Ryan Downard
walked up there and was really effusive in his praise
of Katanoladappo. Yeah, I'm kind of him doing the right
things and obviously in line for a big opportunity now
with Xavier McKinney out. Unfortunately, Zane Anderson also has a knee.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Injury from h and Anderson hurt his knee in the game.
Not expected to be long term, but Matt Lafleur did
say Zaane's gonna miss some time.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, so Zane, we'll see where everything happens there. But
Ton goes into practice on Monday. It probably wasn't the
most difficult interception he's ever had to make, but the
fact is it was a two minute period with the
number two offense versus the number two defense.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Malik Willis tries to go across the.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Middle on the very first play and then here comes
is tipball that gets bad up in the air and
Katan comes down.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And collapses on it.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
When you're talking about moments for safeties, there aren't always
a lot of great opportunities to get noticed in practice
because you're not thumping, you're not trying to, you know,
knock these balls out a lot of these guys downfield.
You're trying to protect your receiver teammates. But I thought
in that moment he maximizes opportunity.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah. Absolutely. The It's going to be an interesting week.
We are off to Indianapolis tomorrow and we are going
to do our best to figure out some kind of
a show to do from Indianapolis so that we can
have a second show this week. We haven't figured out
all the logistics. We have to get to our hotel
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kind of see what we have to work with. We
need to talk to our video teammates who will be
on the trip with us as well and see we
can figure something out. So the hope is that at
some point later this week we will have a second
show for you from Indianapolis, so fingers crossed, stay tuned,
and if you don't hear from us until next week,
it's just because we couldn't figure it out, but hopefully
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we can with that. With that, we'll call it a
rap on this edition of Packers Unscript, But be sure
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we will have all kinds of coverage from Indianapolis for you,
the joint practice, the preseason game, all that coming up
on Packers dot com for West, I'm miike, thank you
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Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Packers dot Com. I am Lake Spoffer, joined as always
by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you
hear from our studios at lambeau Field to discuss to
review the Packers preseason opener. And Wes, it wasn't pretty.
Thirty to ten Jets was the final score. And I
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don't think we need to go over all of the
drop passes and the penalties and the turnovers and the mistackles.
We don't need to go over all them chapter and verse.
But I think it's safe to say that there's a
bit of a I guess a reset you might say,
happening here in training camp. With a big week now
on the horizon for Green Bay. With the joint practice
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with the Colts on Thursday in Indianapolis followed by the
second preseason game, there's sort of been a reminder that, Okay,
you know, there is a difference between practice in a
preseason game. The Packers kind of found that out the
hard way on Saturday night. And I think the expectation
is that things will be much much better this weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yes, and here's a couple of things on this one.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
The downside of this, the negative side of this is,
you know, the Packers, you know, had a rough outing
on Saturday, as you mentioned, whether it was just the
slow start at the beginning, the penalties and obviously some
of the drop passes. Defensively, we're not able to stop
that first wave of the Jets first team offense and
Justin Fields doing it with both his feet and his arm.
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That's all, is what it is. The good part of
this and the reminder of it is it does show
you what the game is like again when you're facing
an opponent that just wants to punch you in the mouth,
as opposed to when you are practicing against yourself for
two and a half weeks where yeah, you know, Keishawn
Nixon and Nate Hobbs might get a little frisky out there,
but ultimately everybody's trying to protect everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
This is a different game when you go out there
and it is back to.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Being you know, just a slabby knocker for a lack
of a better term.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, so that's in the back pocket. Now. This is
a big challenge this.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Week because historically speaking, if you look at the joint
practices we've watched both in green Bay and the ones
on the road. They always favor the home team. Yeah,
it's not a surprise that green Bay went to Denver
last year and struggled, but then took it to the
Baltimore Ravens once they came to green Bay, which would
end up being one of the best teams in the
NFL last season. So Packers have to overcome that. They
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have to put their best foot forward. The thing that
somebody had asked in the Insider inbox about you know,
the biggest debacles I've covered, and I said there was
literally two of them, Desmond Bishop blowing out his hamstring
and also Jordan Nelson in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
When it comes to preseason gain with.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
The preseason, yes, yes, the preseason, blowing out the ACL
everything else you can work with beyond season ending, career
altering type injuries. Yeah, and that's where green Bay has
to get back to this week.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, I mean, I know, we know they're there's going
to be a lot of focus on the bounce back
aspect of this, whether you're talking about the first team
offense for the Packers, which only managed a couple of
first downs in the two series that it had on
the field, the first team defense, which, as you mentioned
Justin Fields engineered scoring drive for the Jets right out
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of the gate, or certain individuals Mikkole Hardman made some
mistakes obviously in punt return. Jacob Munk had some penalties.
They weren't the only guys those Those are two that
stand out because their names were called a bunch during
the course of the game. All that being said, those guys,
those guys will be looking to bounce back. But you
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also can't look at a preseason performance like that and
just go, oh, well, that was a complete waste of time,
and you know, you throw the tape in the trash
or whatever. For one, there are a lot of guys,
there are a lot of young guys who are going
to learn something from that. But there are also some
guys that put some pretty good things on tape and
and did some nice things out there. And I think
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that starts with when you're talking the first team offense
for the Packers, Matthew Golden got to line up across
from Sauce Gardner. Yeah yeah, and you know gets gets
a third down conversion and on another one ends up
drawing a DPI to UH to get another first down
in a third down situation. So those even though it
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was it was very brief and it was all just
in the first quarter, those are the kinds of experiences
for a young player like Matthew Golden, who is who
is expected to be obviously a big part of this
UH Packers offense as a first round pick out wide receiver.
Those of those, those experiences are invaluable for a young
player at this stage of his career.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I'm telling you, man, he is so sudden, and I
feel like I've been beating this drum ball camp. But
it's just it watching his footwork against Sauce Gardner and
then by the way the slant ends up having to
kind of pluck it a little bit. I think that
was away from his body and having to pull it in,
And it was a moment that.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Green Bay's offense desperately needed. They had to drop right
away with Rome.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
They were you know, they had a little bit of
a pickup, but had really been sort of stammering there
early on. That felt like the initial shot, that little
jolt that that offense needed. Now, unfortunately they weren't able
to sustain it. But I think it just gives you,
and it gives Packer fans just a better feel maybe
the ones that didn't come out to training practice or
didn't get the family and I didn't get a chance
to see him yet of what this guy has to
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offer the comparison I've been drawing. And again, I know
people hate comparisons, and I'm not the biggest fan of
him either, but he just reminds me of that Aaron
Jones type playmaker where you cannot find him and by
the time you.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Do, he's passed you already.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And it's not just because he's a smaller type receiver.
It's because he's just so explosive his first two feet
when they get in the ground, he is picking up
speed immediately. So it's not about how fast his car
can go, it's about how quickly he can get there. Yeah,
and I feel like that's where Matthew Golden is really
going to now Green Bay. For as much as we
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talk about these receivers, they have to get healthy. Like
it's wild. The fact that we were watching practice. There
was a close practice on Monday and the top three
guys were Rome, Matthew Golden, and Savion Williams. Yeah, because
of Dantavian Wicks is dealing with, you know, this calf injury,
and you've had you know, Christian Watson working his way back,
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and unfortunately now Jayden Reid with.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
This foot injury. Kind of the top guys right now
for Green Bay or OL.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
So when you talk about building depth and when you
talk about young guys having to perform right away, I
thought this was at least a good indicator that a
guy like Golden especially can really handle that moment.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, and it's an opportunity that he stepped into seamlessly,
which I think and the fact that we kind of
all expected that says something about him and what we've
seen of him so far that it was certainly not
a surprise. Injury update is definitely worth doing here because
Jaden reed the last couple of days that we've seen him,
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he is in a walking boot. He's dealing with a
foot injury. There's been no timeline given exactly on when
he might be able to return to practice. The hope
is that he will be ready for the regular season
opener against the Lions next month. And in a similar fashion,
Xavier McKinney, the Packers All Pro safety, He is currently
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out with a calf injury, and this happened he was
sidelined last week. He did not play, neither did Read
in the preseason game against the Jets. M McKinney told
reporters he doesn't really expect to practice much, if at all,
the rest of training camp, and he has his eye
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on Week one with the Lions as well, presumably in
him talking that way, at least the way what I
gathered from McKinney is that when the team gets into
the practice sequence of preparation for the Lions is when
he is planning to be hoping to and planning to
be back on the field during you know, once the
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roster gets cut down and all the focus then turns
to Week one. So a couple of significant injuries there,
I should say, injuries to significant players that that the
Packers are dealing with. But back to Saturday night. On
the offensive side, I also thought Jordan Morgan, now this
is the first time we had talked about it last week.
This was the first time we were going to see him
at left tackle in NFL game action because he only
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played guard during his rookie year before the before the
shoulder injury shut him down. I thought Jordan Morgan acquitted
himself well playing playing left tackle for the first time.
I think it's a it's a performance that that hopefully
he can build upon as this competition with Rashid Walker
at left tackle ramps up. Rashid Walker was back in
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practice just for individual drills on Monday, coming back from
the grain injury. So we'll see how long it takes
Walker to to to get back into the eleven on
eleven where we might see a rotation then with Morgan
and Walker at left tackle. But I thought the twenty
twenty four first round pick, you know, held up just fine.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, I felt like this was a good thing for
the offensive line to go through too, because it's allowed
two things to happen. One, Jordan's just finally getting a
chance to rep left tackle again instead of being in
a rotation, which is what he mostly had been in
last year. This is actually an opportunity to kind of
get his feet wet and just to feel that stability
and confidence kind of return after that was obviously a
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position he played for so many years at Arizona. At
the same time, Sean Ryan has been able to kind
of settle in at the right guard spot while also
spelling the center position with Elton Jenkins, and I'll tell.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
You what you know.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
For Shawn, it didn't go great with the second team offense. Obviously,
there was that stripsack in the end zone of Malik
Willis ends up turning into a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
But that's a valuable.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Experience for a guy that has never played that position
before other than just a handful of preseason games and
some practices. Yeah, all these guys in gaining that experience.
You know, I thought Anthony Belton, you know, he had
the two penalties, but otherwise acquitted himself very well at
the right tackle spot.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
He showed he's he is a he is a handful
when it comes to running the ball. I mean, if
you're a run defender who needs to try to set
the edge against Anthony Belton, you got your hands full.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And I haven't covered a right tackle like that in
Green Bay. I was thinking about this as we were
watching that game unfold. You know, if you go back
to it, I mean, Brian Blaga compared to me, is
a massive human being.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But the Packers have.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Never had like a mauling right tackle before. They've always
sort of been in that three point fifteen. I mean,
even Zach tom has listed at three h four, they've
been a little bit more that athletic type. The traditional
right tackle is more in the build of an Anthony Belton,
and I think that's something that's really intriguing is that, Yeah,
he can also hold up in pass protection, be accountable there,
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but he's going to be able to move the guy
in front of him as well. And the Packers, I think,
in a lot of ways, have had those opportunities. Lastly,
I just want to close on this as far as
the offensive line, Donovan Jenning's getting a lot more work too.
He was a guy the Packers were very high on
last year as an undrafted rookie. Yeah, end up having
some injuries, didn't really get a lot of opportunities in
the preseason. He ends up being on the practice squad
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all last year. But he's been running consistently now with
that number two unit, you know, with some of the
other injuries that have been happening. So yeah, I mean, again,
plenty to learn from. But I thought by and large,
whether it was the first team, second team, and definitely
once you got to the third team offensive line, I
thought that group definitely showed what they can do.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
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Welcome back to Packers unscripted Wess talking about the defensive
side of things for the Packers in this game, I
think the first guy to talk about because it's not
just what he did on the field, but it's also
what happened off the field. And I'm talking about defensive
lineman Colby Wooden had a very strong performance. I think
he was credited with six tackles, he deflected a pass,
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showed some things both defending the run and in the
pass rush, and maybe he just had that little extra
bounce in his step for this game because of what
had happened earlier in the day. He was presented with
his degree from Auburn University in an actual sort of
ceremony in front of the entire team. The Packers, you know,
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kind of went out of their way to make this
a big deal, and rightfully so for Colby Wooden, who
had promised his mother when he got drafted that he
was going to finish his degree, and he stuck to
that promise and he's now a graduate of Auburn.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, and he did it.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I mean to do it two years out now. Obviously
he was at Auburn for four years. He was really
close to begin with. He only needed three more collasses.
He kept couching it. When we were talking about He's like, well,
you know, it was the off season. There's not a
lot of else stuff going on, so it's like it
made sense.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
A lot of people don't do that. You know.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I go on vacation a couple of weeks a year.
I'm not trying to get my masters you know what
I mean. It still says something about the guy that
he wanted to to fulfill that commitment and be someone
that graduated from his family.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I remember other guys that, other guys that we've come
across over the years. Randall Cobb did that, he finished
his degree in the off season. I believe Casey Hayward
did that as well from Vanderbilt. So not the first
time it's happened, but in my time here, it's the
first time that I recall there actually sort of being
a ceremony inside the team meeting room where the guy
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was presented with his college degree.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah, so the Kobe said he had talked to Matt
Lafleur about it.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
They knew the date was coming up.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
It was on the commencement summer commencement was actually on Saturday,
So he actually did think about going to walk, but
then ultimately he's like, I wanted to be out there
with my brothers. I wanted to go to war with
them out there. So Matt Lafleur in the coaching staff
and Pat Moore, one of the Packers assistant director of
scouting college scouting who's in Auburn grad lives in Auburn
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they decided to put on and I said pseudo graduation ceremony.
Matt Lafluir corrected, it was a full on graduation ceremony
in the team meeting room. And it was such a
neat moment because not only that, but they brought his mom, Nicole.
They had her fly up to spend that moment with
him and to surprise him. He said, it did kind
of get tipped off because she wasn't returning his calls
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and that's very unlike her. So, but that being said,
I mean, just to be able to have that moment,
and I was talking with Kenny Clark about it in
the locker room on Monday, I mean, it was a
really emotional thing for those guys to be able to
witness that. Kobe's a very popular guy in that locker room,
a very extroverted, expressive type individual. He's been that way
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since he got here, So to see him get that
recognition I think was very meaningful. And then also on
the other side of it, he played really well. He
talked about Yo, this is a pivotal year for him
this year.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
There's a big opportunity with TJ.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Slayton moving on to Cincinnati for him to be ingrained
in more of a consistent, permanent role. I mean, he
was a scratch early last season. Now he put on
more weight. He's now up about thirty pounds from when
he got here two and a half years ago, and
he wants to show everybody that's involved with the Packers
organization that he can be one of those entrench guys
up front that they can rely on.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
And as we talked about throughout the offseason, the biggest
challenge for the Packers upfront defensively is can they get
a more consistent, reliable, threatening pass rush without sacrificing what
was a pretty solid run defense last year. And Kobe wouldn't.
Pally is going to be a part of that solution,
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I thought, And this is the kind of thing and
I say this for a guy like Kobe Wooden, a
guy like Christian Welch, and a guy like kings leyann Igbari,
all of whom I thought with the second team defense
played pretty well and really showed some things out there.
And I think with veteran players like that, with guys
who have been around, maybe they're not full fledged starters
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in the NFL yet, but they've got their share of
NFL experience, they played in their share of regular season games,
that when they get out there in a preseason game
against a second unit, they should be able to show something.
They should be able to control the action to a
certain extent, and I thought they did that. When you
throw in the fact that younger guys who haven't played
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a whole lot of NFL snaps yet, like a Tyron Hopper,
like a Baron Surrell, when you see those guys in
a first preseason game of this particular summer show up
the way they did, those are the kinds of things
that are also very, very promising. I thought those were
two other guys, Hopper and Sorell in that defensive front,
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Surrell on the edge obviously in Hopper off ball linebacker.
I thought those guys showed some things in this game
as well.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I really like Tyron Hopper. I know you know that
because I've been talking a lot about him, but just
watching the way he plays, there's a lot of years,
Mike where Tyron Hopper would have been the guy that
probably goes in there alongside you know, AJ Hawk right
off the bat.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
You mentioned Desmond Bishop earlier earlier in this show. I mean,
if there is, if there is a guy that I've
seen before that Tyron Hopper reminds me of Desmond Bishop
is the guy that comes to mind.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Well, and like you said, I mean he defines and
kind of epitomizes that idea of a thumper. And he's
definitely a guy that tackles. He doesn't chase. I mean,
he goes to the action and he is motivated to
do that. And it just seems like every single time
I watch him, I look, I'll watch him for ten
minutes and then I look at the statue and he
has eight tackles, like he is just wherever they need
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him to be. So I don't know how this is
going to shuffle up, but when we talk about how
deep this inside linebacker room is, number fifty nine is
a big part of that. And I think at some point,
sooner than later, you're going to see him kind of
trickling into that more consistent rotation up there, because for
as many eyeballs are on Edger and Cooper and as
they should be. Yeah, I look at Tyron Hopper is
sort of that change of pace guy, kind of like
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what they did at the tight end position where you
drafted Luke Musgrave and Tucker Krab both second day draft picks,
but kind of the antithesis of each other as tight ends.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
That's kind of the way that.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Cooper and Hopper are where not that Cooper doesn't have
what Hopper has, or Hopper it doesn't have the athleticism
that Cooper has, but they just are so good at
doing what they do well. So these next two preseason
games for him, I think are going to be huge
because it's not just the fact that these going and
getting tackles. They're letting him call the defense. You see
him communicating that we're in the headset there, and it
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seems like long term wise, that's where Green Bay's developing them,
that's where they want him to go.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah. Absolutely, the fourth round, key fourth round pick on
the defensive side, Baron Serell, I thought he showed something
in the pass rush. He was he was a bit
of a problem and wasn't able to get any Sachs
did get a couple of quarterback hits. To the credit
of the Jets quarterbacks Brady Cook and uh and Martinez
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I'm trying to remember the first name, Adrian, sorry, Adrian Martinez.
To their credit, they stood in there and delivered some
delivered some passes while they took uh while they took
some hits. But but I thought it was I thought
it was a really good first showing for for Baron Serell.
Where we're still waiting, unfortunately, still waiting for Colin Oliver,
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the other edge rusher who was part of this draft class.
We're still waiting for him to get healthy, to h
to get back on the practice field. But Sorell showed
that that you know, he might have a spot in
this in this rotation to try to get some pressure
on the quarterback as well.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Documented you and I split the one on ones during
the padded work, so I'm always with the offensive offense
in defensive line, you're over with the dbs and receivers.
But the one thing that has stood out to me
about Cirell, and maybe you've gotten a feel for this
with something, it is really hard for offensive linemen to
keep their hands on him. Yeah he is slippery, Yeah
he's athletic, and yeah he's powerful, but he's not the
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biggest edge rusher you've ever seen before. He's not a
Julius Peppers type, but he seems to have that type
of wiry frame that he's very elusive. It almost feels like,
and I mean, I'm sure that's a credit to his
get off and his footwork and obviously what he does
with his hands when he battles there coming out of
the corner. But I really have liked everything I've seen with.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Baron Cerell so far.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I watching him, I kind of start to get a
feel for why he was the type of player he
was at Texas.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
He's just consistent.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
This rotation, man, I mean, it didn't show up so
much in the game, especially with the limited reps the
first team got, but I mean, Lucas Faness has been
wreaking a lot of havoc on the practice field. Obviously,
we've seen what Brenton Cox Junior can do, and you
were just talking about Kingsley and Igbari the rotation there.
The more we're watching them throughout this camp and even
some of the stuff we saw in the offseason program,
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you start to get a better feel for why the
Green Bay Packers didn't feel like they had to go
out and get a veteran edge rusher to pair with
all these guys they have that in Rashan. It's kind
of seeing, okay with all this talent you have sort
of like the receiver position, which person's gonna grab the
brass ring and kind of run away with the job.
But there's a lot of guys that are making convincing,
convincing bids right now for playing time.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And I thought when we heard from a handful of
assistant coaches on Sunday, the day after the game, I
thought Jeff Hafley had one of the most interesting comments
about Baron Surrell in that he wasn't just talking about,
you know, kind of the flashes that he made in
the pass rush and everything. He was saying that he
saw a rookie who was self correcting out on the field,
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that something would happen to play, wouldn't go quite right,
or maybe his technique wasn't quite right on a certain play,
and then the next play he was fixing himself elf
along the way. I don't know if I've ever heard
a coach say that about a rookie, you know, in
his first preseason action as an NFL player. So that's
the kind of that that was the kind of thing
that caught my ear with Cerell. And it tells you
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that even though the Packers have, you know, they have
Rashaun Garry and Lucas Faness and and Brenton Cox and
and jj A Nagbari. They have those guys. Serell might
work his way onto the field as a rookie and
get some chances here in his first season in the NFL.
Last thing before we go, any other comments from those
assistant coaches that stood out to you when we heard
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from them on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Well, and I just have to say before we stop
talking about the game, I just have to mention Amar
Johnson's name, because the guy had an incredible When you
talk about I missed him in the when we're talking
about offense, but we're talking about the Packers looking for something,
a silver lining, something to give them a jolt of
the game. On Johnson, Packers are under one hundred total
yards at that point. That guy went out there and
he was playing like this is this is it? This
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is his moment. If he doesn't do this, his career
is over. I mean that guy felt like the way
he was bouncing off tacklers. South Dakota State another guy
that's trying to prove himself from the FCS level, the
same program that Tucker Craft came out of. I just
I tipped my cap to him, and also Sean Clifford
going down the field trying to get that last block
to spring his running back.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I just had to know you're.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You're right, You're right, and that's and that's on me
that I shifted. I shifted away from the offense before
we did talk about and I'll say this about Johnson
as well, that I thought, even before the thirty nine
yard touchdown run where he bounced off the tackle, cut
it back across, got that little extra escort from Sean
Clifford down the field. But I thought, even before that play,
(23:39):
my impression with the Packers being thin at running back,
and just to update, we have seen Marshawn Lloyd and
Emmanuel Wilson were back in individual drills in practice on Monday,
so perhaps they're working their way back and the Packers
won't be quite so thin at running back. But with
with them being thin the way they were, and Josh
Jacobs actually didn't get carry on Saturday night, even before
(24:03):
the thirty nine yard touchdown run, my impression was of
Oamar Johnson was while this guy runs hard hard, I mean,
because even if it was just a four yard carrier,
he bounces off one tackle and gets like six yards
or something like that. It caught your eye, It made
an impression, and then it sort of all came to
fruition when he ends up breaking into the open field
(24:25):
and gets the long touchd on ru And Yeah, hats
off to Sean Clifford for that nice extra little blockdown field.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Credit to you.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I'm glad you brought up the assistant coaches because we
talked to him on Sunday afternoon, right and Ryan Downard
walked up there and was really effusive in his praise
of Katanoladappo. Yeah, I'm kind of him doing the right
things and obviously in line for a big opportunity now
with Xavier McKinney out. Unfortunately, Zane Anderson also has a knee.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Injury from h and Anderson hurt his knee in the game.
Not expected to be long term, but Matt Lafleur did
say Zaane's gonna miss some time.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, so Zane, we'll see where everything happens there. But
Ton goes into practice on Monday. It probably wasn't the
most difficult interception he's ever had to make, but the
fact is it was a two minute period with the
number two offense versus the number two defense.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Malik Willis tries to go across the.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Middle on the very first play and then here comes
is tipball that gets bad up in the air and
Katan comes down.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And collapses on it.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
When you're talking about moments for safeties, there aren't always
a lot of great opportunities to get noticed in practice
because you're not thumping, you're not trying to, you know,
knock these balls out a lot of these guys downfield.
You're trying to protect your receiver teammates. But I thought
in that moment he maximizes opportunity.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah. Absolutely. The It's going to be an interesting week.
We are off to Indianapolis tomorrow and we are going
to do our best to figure out some kind of
a show to do from Indianapolis so that we can
have a second show this week. We haven't figured out
all the logistics. We have to get to our hotel
(25:52):
kind of see what we have to work with. We
need to talk to our video teammates who will be
on the trip with us as well and see we
can figure something out. So the hope is that at
some point later this week we will have a second
show for you from Indianapolis, so fingers crossed, stay tuned,
and if you don't hear from us until next week,
it's just because we couldn't figure it out, but hopefully
(26:13):
we can with that. With that, we'll call it a
rap on this edition of Packers Unscript, But be sure
to follow all of our coverage of the team and
we will have all kinds of coverage from Indianapolis for you,
the joint practice, the preseason game, all that coming up
on Packers dot com for West, I'm miike, thank you
for tuning in everybody we will see this time
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