November 11, 2025 • 30 mins
Mike and Wes review the home loss to Philadelphia, including the Packers’ continued offensive struggles (2:35) and how to turn the page and figure out what’s next (7:01). They also discuss the strong defensive performance (14:29) and where things stand in the NFC North after Week 10 (26:06).
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Packers dot Com. I am Lake Spofford, joined by my
partner and Everything Packers, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you
here from our studios at Lambeau Field to review Wes
a ten to seven loss on Monday Night football to
the Philadelphia Eagles. You and I talked quite a bit
last week after that very frustrating defeat at the hands
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of the Carolina Panthers at home. I think we both
came out of last week feeling the Packers were going
to play a better game on Monday Night against the Eagles.
And unfortunately, only one side of the ball played a
better game, because the defense showed up and gave the
Packers a tremendous opportunity to beat the defending Super Bowl
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champs here at Lambeau But the offensive struggles continue and
the search for answers on that side of the ball
keeps rolling along.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah. Weird game, and you know, first and foremosts they'll
start with this by all accounts, And we were talking
with Michael Parsons and Kishaw Nixon guys in the locker
room afterwards. You know, the Packers lost ten to seven
to a really good NFC team, the defending Super Bowl
champion team that most likely will be in the playoffs
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if their season keeps its course. There are no moral victories.
But I mean, again, like Kishaan said, it's not like
they got blown out. Here's the problem when you lose
the game that you did to Carolina, when you lose
the game a month earlier to the Cleveland Browns, games
that you should win in low scoring affairs, yes, that
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margin for error just gets completely eaten up.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And on evenings like this, you don't have that opportunity.
So to have two home games, back to back games
score twenty points, it's not going to cut it. And
defensively was still a weird kind of performance too. There
was no quarterback hits on Jalen Hurts, not just sex.
There's no quarterback hits. But the Packers were unbelievable defending
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Saquon Barkley as a running back. This was maybe their
best overall performance they had against Barkley strictly speaking against
the run. Obviously, he leaked out for the forty one
yard pick up after breaking the tackle, but the Packers
defense gave the offense a chance, and outside of that
one sort of tempo series in the fourth quarter, Green
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Bay's offense was just not able to do much with it.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, and unfortunately it's it's kind of the a broken
record right now with the Packers offense. Certainly the way
these last two games have gone. You mentioned just the
twenty points in the last two games. I believe the
Packers have moved the ball across midfield twelve times in
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the last two games. They twelve possessions have been in
opposing territory and they've only come away with twenty points.
That's hard to fathom. It's the one thing we saw
in this game that hadn't really been an issue up
to this point, but the drop passes sort of reared
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their ugly head, and that was something that the Packer's
done a great job through the first eight games of
the season in terms of catching the balls that were
thrown their way, but there were multiple guys who drop passes.
Then you had some of the same things happening in
terms of the penalties, you know, miss blocks that lead
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to a sack, failing to protect the ball in a
crucial situation, all of those all of those things we've
seen before and the Packers just have not been able
to We've seen these things in small spurts or in
small segments throughout the course of the season, but through
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the first seven games of the year, by and large,
except in Cleveland, the Packers were able to overcome you know,
some bad stretches here and there. The last two games,
the bad stretches have been too long and they haven't
been able to overcome them. And so you you walk
away with two with a pair of three point losses
in games that were that were eminently winnable, and uh,
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you know, the frustrations. The frustrations are obviously there. You
can hear it in everybody's voice after the game, from
the head coach, the quarterback to all the guys in
the locker room. They're they're they're frustrated and they've got
to try to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah. I have so much respect for Josh Jacobs. You know,
Josh was putting a tough spot, you know, and after
the game was talking to us, and it was very thoughtful,
very considerate of what he was saying. But the amount
of times that his voice kind of cracked a little bit,
the amount of times you could kind of almost feel
the exasperation, their long, deep exhale, like it's frustrating, and
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he said it was going to be. Afterwards, He's like,
I'm gonna have a difficult time sleeping tonight because there
were some opportunities that he regrets himself not being able
to fully maximize. But at the same time, it was
just a myriad of offensive issues that plagued them in
this one. And if you look through the first half
of the season, the most consistent thing about the green
Bay Packers' offense is they've had these type of stretches
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where they you know, they did not start fast in Pittsburgh,
but then they found some ways forward. It's been this
sputtering where there's really high octane explosive moments followed by
inability to move the ball to midfield. But right now
Green Bay isn't being saved by those explosive plays either. Yes,
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and there are I was talking to a few people
in the locker room about this afterwards. This was a
definite bad matchup for green Bay coming off of Carolina.
And what I mean by that defensively is you know,
e j everrew In, Carolina's disciple of Dom Capers, who
built this whole zone blitz fire zone defense with Vic Fangio.
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So Vic had all this film to see about. How
EVERU attacked Green Bay's offense, put his own little wrinkles
on it, but basically threw the same type of plan
at him with better players, and they couldn't get out
of the two shell. They couldn't run against it consistently,
they couldn't attack the underneath intermediate throws out of it,
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and the times in which they did move the ball
mic there was either a big penalty or there was
a fumble. And again, other than that one touchdown producing
drive there that ended with Josh Shacob's six yard rushing
TD to make it ten to seven. At the time,
green Bay just never was in a position where it
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felt like the foot was on the pedal and they
were driving towards the end zone.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, wrote wrote last week, and we talked on this
show last week. Kind of my biggest takeaway from the
Carolina game was the Packers are going to have to
figure out ways to win when they're forced to play
in a way that they don't want to play. And
the exact same thing, just as you outlined, Vic Fangio
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saw exactly what Everu and that Carolina defense did. He
did the same thing with his guys with their own wrinkle,
And we heard Matt Lafleur literally say the same thing
at the podium after this game as he said a
week ago, which is that the opposing defense is sitting
back and waiting for the Packers to screw up. And
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that's exactly what's been happening. To have as many opportunities
as they've had in opposing territory and not not be
able to get the points. The Packers have not proven
that they can score consistently enough offensively when they aren't
getting the big explosive plays. As you said, it's become
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an offense that relies on that in order to be successful.
And with that taken away that you're good, they're gonna
have to figure it out because the blueprint is out
there now. There's there's no reason for any team, any
opposing team at this point to play the Packers in
anything but a too high safety shell and force the
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Packers to beat them that way. So they're gonna keep seeing.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It in a lot of ways. It kind of you know,
everyone always talks about the end of that eleventh season,
but that was the change right with Romeo Cornell. With
Kansas City, they started deploying the too high that bled
into the twenty twelve season and Green Bay ultimately had
to run itself forward. They had to find a way
to break that, and that was one of the messages
that Josh Jacobs said afterwards. He doesn't know what the
answers are, but the fact is is the run game
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by and large, is not doing enough. They're not getting
enough opportunity, They're not generating enough yards off of what
the defense is presenting to them. In Until they do
that offense, the passing game is going to be put
in some really compromising situations. I think with the challenge
for Green Bay this week and it's a short week, yeah,
two days time, you and I are gonna be previewing
the New York Giants. But the challenge for them is
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they need to figure out what they want to major
in at this part of the season. You've had a
full half of the regular season. Now, the running game
is not what it was last year, particularly in the
first half. They've not been able to lean and sort
of build and pitch their tent on that foundation, and
it's led to some some challenges the first couple of
weeks they were they had those issues, but they got
out of them with third and long conversions. The third
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and long conversions are not happening now. You know, they
start the game against Philadelphia one for seven on third downs.
There there has to be either whether it's emphasizing a
particular player or a particular side of the offense, that
there has to be something that Green Bay can can
work with. Now, unfortunately, you hate to bring up the
I word, but it's struck again.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, that's that's just That's just where I was going
to go is is nobody wants to use injuries as
an excuse, and there is enough talent on this team
to perform better than their performing. But we've talked a
lot about how there's been this lack of continuity on
the offensive line all season long because of injuries, Guys
trying to play through injuries, other guys coming out of games,
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shuffling around, moving players, and now it sounds like the
news is not good on Elton Jenkins. He left the
game late in the second quarter with what was termed
an ankle injury. There are reports out there that it's
worse than that, and Matt Lafleur even said it doesn't
sound promising. That was his quote after the game on
Monday night. So you've got that you were coming into
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this game having to make the big adjustment your first
game without Tucker Craft at tight end. The Packers weren't
able to, as you said, find anything to hang their
hat on without Tucker Craft on the field. And at
the same time, receivers like Malik Heath and save On
Williams are on the injury report, so they're either limited
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or not practicing during the week. Matthew Golden did not practice,
he was out with a shoulder injury. You lose Romeo
Dobs to a chest injury during the game, So it
leads to bow Melton, receiver turned cornerback now turning back
into a receiver, having to play way more offensive snaps
than anybody could have anybody could have imagined. It's it's
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just it's this constant piling on of stuff going wrong,
some of which is completely beyond the Packers control. But
then there's all this other stuff that's piling up that
is within their control where they're hurting themselves, and it's
just it's led to it's led to the season being
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you know, kind of at a at a crux here,
it's it's at a turning point. They've got to figure
something out because at five three and one, big picture,
five to three and one is not a bad place
to be with with eight games to go, but the
way these last two games have gone, there's a lot
of reason for concern and they've got to find some answer.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, I mean, this is the inflection point. You're going
to have the Giants here coming up, but then you're
heading into the NFC North schedule, and while the NFC
West has been really difficult this year, the North still
nobody's a cake walk in that division. So I think
there's a number of things that as I was driving
home and I listened to Matt's press conference, I listened
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to Jordan's obviously this morning, I read your column and
your five things, and where I'm kind of at right
now and where I'm struggling to kind of figure out
what you put your finger on specifically with the offense
for what ails them is the fact that in fans
hate this because they always want to just find somebody
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to put everything on.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
But yeah, it's the blame game, is what everybody wants
to play and you have to take a step back
from that and look at it in a bigger picture.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Because it's everything.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, exactly, it's.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Jordan taking some bad sacks at improper times. It is
the play call on fourth and one that the Philadelphia Eagles,
you know, hear the call and react to it. Yeah,
and it makes Josh have to try to, you know,
pitch the ball and it doesn't work out. It's it's
the inability to to for the offensive front to move
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the defensive front and give Jacob's room to work with.
It is the drops. Like, it's a lot of issues
that the Packers are working through right now. And I
think what hurts the most to your original point that
you kind of brought up earlier when they needed that
spark when they needed to move the chains, it was
Tucker Craft. It's Ben Romeo Dobbs, who they had to
play a majority of the second half without. And like,
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let's be real, the fact that you know, we were
talking with bou Melton and locker room afterwards. It sounds
like bo really the last week is where he started
really practicing a lot at receiver. Again, guy played twenty
six snaps at receiver. Yeah, you know, he had the
the illegal formation penalty. I think Wis also had one
during the course of the game.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, that was the thing is even if even if
the Eagles don't know the fourth and one run is coming,
right that they were calling out and they buried Jacobs
in the backfield and all that, the Packers were going
to be in fourth and six because they lined up illegally.
It was going to be a five yard penalty even
if they had if they had converted it, they were
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gonna have to they were gonna have to do it
over again. I want to give the props to the
defense because because that was a wail of an effort,
and I want to start I want to start by
saying this, I don't because we don't know if the
Packers defense is going to be able to keep this up. Obviously,
it's an offense oriented league and there are times when
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things are just gonna go wrong on defense, like they
did in Dallas. Games like that happened. I know we're
gonna we're gonna hear from people over the next couple
of weeks about, you know, well, where where are the
where are the sacks from Micah Parsons and where are
the pressures in the quarterback hits and everything. What you
have to understand is that there were multiple times in
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that game last night where the defense put the Eagles
in third and ten plus and the Eagles capitulated, they
handed the ball off. And my point is that is
the Micah Parsons effect. That is the Eagles saying, we
are not going to give Micah Parsons a chance to
make a game wrecking, game changing play on third and fourteen.
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We're just gonna hand the ball off and punt because
the Packers offense isn't doing enough to scare us. So
Parsons is not going to have his chance to make
the plays that he can make and that Rashaun Gary
can make and a lot of these other guys. If
the Packers offense can't get going. It's the grand explanation
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is this is a team game, and what the Packers
defense did last night was really impressive. And even at
the end of the game, after giving up the third
and twelve conversion, which looked like maybe the death knell
in the game, when the Eagles converted that with the
pass to DeVante Smith, the defense still rose up and
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got the stop on the next series of downs and
got the ball back to the offense with plenty of time,
with plenty of time to drive for either a tying
field goal or possibly a game winning touchdown. Just a
tremendous effort by the defense against an offense that what
was the total fifty No, it was sixty six, thirty
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eight and twenty eight. Yeah, sixty six points in the
last two games, and the Eagles walked out of lambeau
Field with ten. He got a hand to the Packers defense.
And it's frustrating because that was a truly wasted performance
without being able to get the win.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And I'm glad you brought up that point. That's such
a great point you raised, maybe the best one on
the show so far, about the quarterback hits, the sad
and where things are at with Parsons in this because
just flip the script right, it's not even that you
have to necessarily be in a situation where you're up
by three touchdowns the Eagles up by one score basically
the entire game. Look at the pressure they were able
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to generate on Jordan Love because the Packers were putting
some obvious passing situations where they need to push the
ball downfield. Jalen Hurts, with the exception of four plays,
didn't really have to do that. Yeah, I mean, and
when he had to make them, he made them. You
give your credit there and you tip your cap to him.
I mean, he made some franchise quarterback plays throughout the
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course of that game. But there was so much that
was based on and a part of me wonders that
first series where they were drin Cooper gets the punch out. Yeah,
if this is offense, by the way, that is at
that point giving up only three giveaways the entire season.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
They yeah, we talked about that last week. Yeah, they'd
protected the ball as well as anybody in football. Three
giveaways through eight games.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
So you have to wonder, if you know, between Eric
Nick Sirianni and in that offensive coaching staff, if they're
thinking at that point where it's like, okay, possessions at
a premium, don't give them anything and see if you
can eventually, you know, matriculate the ball down the field.
They did it. The fact that, in I thought Evan
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Williams brought up a really good point, that's that's a
trademark of the Eagles too, that when they get an
explosive play like they got with the with the Barkley
forty one yard pickup. They will immediately look to hustle
downfield and try to hit you again, and they did.
And that was a difference in the game.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, it was. It was. It was amazing how quickly
the game turned from okay, it's three to nothing. The
Eagles got the field goal on their opening drive of
the second half after the zero zero first half, and
then early in the fourth quarter there the Eagles have
third and seven on their own twenty three yard line,
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and essentially a checkdown pass, you know, with Barkley as
the out out towards the out towards the boundary to
Hurts his left, a checkdown pass turns into the big
explosive play of forty one yards with the spin move,
and as you said, then they hustle up and boom. Okay,
now they're in attack mode and bang they throw downfield
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and Evan Williams is one on one with DeVante Smith
on the back end and Smith out jumps him for
the ball. Two plays seventy seven yards and the game
goes from three to nothing to ten to nothing like
just like that. But when we're talking about those two plays,
and I'll only bring up one other one, which was
when Jalen Hurts missed the backup tight end. I don't
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even remember his name down the seam in the first half.
He was open for what was looking like a potential touchdown.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I can't say his name.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, I can't even remember what his name is. But anyway,
that was the That's like the only other, like real
defensive breakdown type of play. We're talking about three plays
in this game where you know where the defense, where
the defense gave up, you know, something significant to the Eagles.
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And now it was a as far as the whole
bounce back thing goes, it was an incredible defensive effort
against the run. Based on how the previous game against
Carolina had gone and how Ricodowdell had had kind of
carved up the Packers run defense, we knew from what
had happened early on in the Pittsburgh game and then
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what was going on in the Carolina game that the
Packers had some things to shore up there. And boy
did they ever because Saquon Barkley. Saquon Barkley had what
was it sixty yards on twenty two care.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, I mean, if you look at their entire running
back room. You know that those numbers got boosted a
little bit by Jalen Hurts scrambling for twenty seven yards.
Their actual running backs ran the ball twenty nine times
for eighty seven eighty four yards in the game. Twenty
nine times for eighty four yards. It's less than three yards. Yeah,
so yeah, I mean it was it was a yeoman's effort.
I thought. I thought Kobe Wooden played a whale of
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a game coming off the shoulder injury. I mean, Kuay
Walker had two impactful tech tackles for a loss. DeVante
Wyatt had a key one as well. If you're going
to be in this situation where they're not dropping back
that way, you need to find ways to generate negative plays.
The defense did that, and may I are you are
we gonna be pivoting over to the talk about the
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rest of the games? Is this the end? Are we
finishing just about? I want to mention this. It has
nothing to do with the defense. So I apologize for
taking us off course. But I will say this, if
you're looking for reasons for optimism for Green Bay, and
we'll we'll probably expound more upon that when you get
away from this on Thursday. But two things. One, the
Kansas City Chiefs are in their bye week right now
at five and four, and they are looking at a
much more daunting task within the AFC West than what
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green Bay even faces in the North right now, with
how Denver's playing, with how things have lined up for
them in two, I did feel like there was something
that green Bay grabbed onto here and I'm curious to
see where it goes the rest of the season if
he's healthy. Christian Watson's third and ten catch was a
key moment in this game. Green Bay does not take
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advantage of it, but it was a strong hands catch
across the middle. Yeah, and so Christian ends up with
two catches for forty five yards. But after the game,
Christians tweeted, like I think four times in the last year.
After the game, somebody had put up the clip of
the deep ball that Love had tried earlier to him
in the end zone and said, should Christian Watson have
caught this ball? And Christian quote retweeted and said, yes,
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when you're talking about leadership, when you're talking about guys
that are coming to their own as a fourth year player,
We'll see what's going on. With Matthew Golden. We'll see
what's going on with Romeo Dobbs. Yeah, obviously we need
to find I think Christian is there. And when you're
looking at what this game plan is going to be
for the Giants game and going forward, I don't know
what it's all going to be. But as much as
we talk about spreading the ball around, if the Packers
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are limited in numbers at the receiver position, I wonder
if there's opportunities there to cook some stuff up for
Christian Watson because it looks like he's ready to go. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And uh and as Watson's reaction to that play indicates,
and we've seen this across the board as well, there's
no lack of accountability amongst the players. They know what
they have to do. They know that they're not getting
the job done on the offensive side of the ball.
So so they they're they're they're they're taking ownership of
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it and uh and they're gonna have to they're gonna
they're gonna figure it out at some point here. But
uh and but they're gonna do it together. It's not
going to be through a bunch of figure pointing or
this is what you have to do or this is
what you have to do. That's not how this works.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
No, And I love that. I'm glad you brought that
up because in the locker room efforts, that was the
prevailing sentiment. Matt, Matt Leafleur had his best comedy, probably
made the press conferences. We just need a win right now.
You have to go to New York and they got
to try to get a win. They have to get
some positive vibes here. But in the locker room, and
it was with when we were talking with Keishan, like
he said, it's like, we're not mad at the offense
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right now. We know how this game is played. These
guys have all been around a long time. There's gonna
be ebbs and flows. There's going to be a time
at the point this season where the offense is going
to pick up the defense. We know it's going to happen.
The defense understands its role right now is to keep
points off the board and give the offense a chance
to try to get to that twenty point mark, to
try to build some you know, momentum and build some production.
But there's no panic. And Micah Parsons said it as well,
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there is no panic. You're still five to three and one.
It's not great, it doesn't feel great. And if you
don't find answer, is that number and that winning, you
know plus two is going to evaporate.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I think there's still a lot of veterans in that
room right now that have been through some some downtimes
and are hoping that you could switch this thing around.
If you look at where Green Bay was at two
years ago at three and six, obviously you do anything
to be sitting at five and three like they are
right now.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, it's just crazy to think. I mean, how quickly
things change. Where you go, team goes from five to
one and one to suddenly two weeks later and you're
just saying, boy, they need to win in the worst
on and it doesn't matter how they get it. It's
like they just need they just need a win, They
need some kind of good mojo.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
When back to back home losses will do that for you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
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well West. Where the Packers stand is not a surprise
because the Detroit Lions and Chicago Bears both get victories
(26:13):
to get themselves to six and three, and those are
the two teams now sitting atop the NFC North. The
Lions technically would be in the lead because they beat
the Bears head to head. The Packers dropped a third
place at at five three and one, and I know
on our next show. We're going to talk all about
the Giants. But after the Giants game, five of the
(26:38):
last seven are division opponents. I mean, that's that's gonna
be the crux of the schedule. That is going to
be the portion of the schedule that defines this season
one way or another for Green Bay. Yeah, you gotta
go to New Jersey and get a win over the
Giants and get to six three and one before before
the stretch of division games. But the definition of this
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has yet to be written.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, I just want to say this too. Your app's
great points the division games one way or another. I
said it from the beginning. I said it. If the
Packers won this game against the Eagles, there were still
gonna be high stakes against the Giants, and what's no doubt,
no doubt, But you know, I want to mention this.
And obviously, the Giants let another one get away from them,
this time unfortunately it was to the Chicago Bears, and
(27:23):
it ended up being Brian Dabble's last, you know game
as the head coach of the Giants. This has nothing
to do with the Packers win, loser, draw, whatever happened Sunday.
I'm gonna say this though, I do not want to
see Jackson Dart playing in that game Sunday. It has
nothing to do with football. That's his fourth concussion. About well, now,
I think he got diagnosed with the concussion too.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Right, Yeah, what I what I understand is that he's
been evaluated four times, and I believe this is the
second officially diagnosed concussion at this point.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I mean, we'll see what happens. It's the Giants decision here. Obviously,
Russell Wilson's the backup. He's the guy that finished that
game against Chicago.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Jamis Winston is there as well. I'm not ruling out.
I'm not ruling out that the Packers might see Jameis Winston.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Jamis has made some magic against this team too. But dude,
you guys got a future to look at here, and
you have two wins right now. I mean, when I
saw that and then obviously all the dramatic stuff the
last couple of weeks, dabble going into the injury tent
and all this, it's just like the way they're using Dart.
He's a really exciting young guy. Yep, there's a you
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got to keep this kid healthy. But I give, I
give the Bears a lot of credit. Man, they found
a way, and Caleb Willibs played borderline terrible the first
three quarters. But this is what number one overall picks
and guys that you build your franchise around do. And
Roma Dunze looks like he's going to be a really
good receiver in this league. The Bear dude, I said
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it last week. The Bears remind me so much of
the Packers last year. They're winning games, and as we
saw yesterday, that's all this game is about. How many
wins do you have?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, and the Bears, now, yeah, the it was impressive
to me. Impressive isn't even the right word. I was
borderline flabbergasted at how many times Caleb Williams got away
from the New York Giants rush like. And that is
something that the Packers are going to have to prepare
for because because the Giants pass rush. Just from watching
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that game against Chicago, the sack numbers they have is
not indicative of how they get after quarterbacks. And that's
gonna be something the Packers have to deal with. And yeah,
and you don't know, you don't know what kind of
a you don't know what kind of an atmosphere that
you're walking into with your opponent when they just fired
the head coach and now there's an interim head coach,
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and there's uncertainty at quarterback and you know who knows.
But the Packers can't even think about any of that.
They have to Everything has to be internal right now
and figuring things out amongst themselves. So we will talk
more about the giants on our next show, but for
now now we'll call it a rap on this edition
of Packers Unscript and be sure to continue following all
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here from our studios at Lambeau Field to review Wes
a ten to seven loss on Monday Night football to
the Philadelphia Eagles. You and I talked quite a bit
last week after that very frustrating defeat at the hands
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of the Carolina Panthers at home. I think we both
came out of last week feeling the Packers were going
to play a better game on Monday Night against the Eagles.
And unfortunately, only one side of the ball played a
better game, because the defense showed up and gave the
Packers a tremendous opportunity to beat the defending Super Bowl
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champs here at Lambeau But the offensive struggles continue and
the search for answers on that side of the ball
keeps rolling along.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah. Weird game, and you know, first and foremosts they'll
start with this by all accounts, And we were talking
with Michael Parsons and Kishaw Nixon guys in the locker
room afterwards. You know, the Packers lost ten to seven
to a really good NFC team, the defending Super Bowl
champion team that most likely will be in the playoffs
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if their season keeps its course. There are no moral victories.
But I mean, again, like Kishaan said, it's not like
they got blown out. Here's the problem when you lose
the game that you did to Carolina, when you lose
the game a month earlier to the Cleveland Browns, games
that you should win in low scoring affairs, yes, that
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margin for error just gets completely eaten up.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And on evenings like this, you don't have that opportunity.
So to have two home games, back to back games
score twenty points, it's not going to cut it. And
defensively was still a weird kind of performance too. There
was no quarterback hits on Jalen Hurts, not just sex.
There's no quarterback hits. But the Packers were unbelievable defending
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Saquon Barkley as a running back. This was maybe their
best overall performance they had against Barkley strictly speaking against
the run. Obviously, he leaked out for the forty one
yard pick up after breaking the tackle, but the Packers
defense gave the offense a chance, and outside of that
one sort of tempo series in the fourth quarter, Green
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Bay's offense was just not able to do much with it.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, and unfortunately it's it's kind of the a broken
record right now with the Packers offense. Certainly the way
these last two games have gone. You mentioned just the
twenty points in the last two games. I believe the
Packers have moved the ball across midfield twelve times in
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the last two games. They twelve possessions have been in
opposing territory and they've only come away with twenty points.
That's hard to fathom. It's the one thing we saw
in this game that hadn't really been an issue up
to this point, but the drop passes sort of reared
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their ugly head, and that was something that the Packer's
done a great job through the first eight games of
the season in terms of catching the balls that were
thrown their way, but there were multiple guys who drop passes.
Then you had some of the same things happening in
terms of the penalties, you know, miss blocks that lead
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to a sack, failing to protect the ball in a
crucial situation, all of those all of those things we've
seen before and the Packers just have not been able
to We've seen these things in small spurts or in
small segments throughout the course of the season, but through
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the first seven games of the year, by and large,
except in Cleveland, the Packers were able to overcome you know,
some bad stretches here and there. The last two games,
the bad stretches have been too long and they haven't
been able to overcome them. And so you you walk
away with two with a pair of three point losses
in games that were that were eminently winnable, and uh,
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you know, the frustrations. The frustrations are obviously there. You
can hear it in everybody's voice after the game, from
the head coach, the quarterback to all the guys in
the locker room. They're they're they're frustrated and they've got
to try to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah. I have so much respect for Josh Jacobs. You know,
Josh was putting a tough spot, you know, and after
the game was talking to us, and it was very thoughtful,
very considerate of what he was saying. But the amount
of times that his voice kind of cracked a little bit,
the amount of times you could kind of almost feel
the exasperation, their long, deep exhale, like it's frustrating, and
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he said it was going to be. Afterwards, He's like,
I'm gonna have a difficult time sleeping tonight because there
were some opportunities that he regrets himself not being able
to fully maximize. But at the same time, it was
just a myriad of offensive issues that plagued them in
this one. And if you look through the first half
of the season, the most consistent thing about the green
Bay Packers' offense is they've had these type of stretches
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where they you know, they did not start fast in Pittsburgh,
but then they found some ways forward. It's been this
sputtering where there's really high octane explosive moments followed by
inability to move the ball to midfield. But right now
Green Bay isn't being saved by those explosive plays either. Yes,
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and there are I was talking to a few people
in the locker room about this afterwards. This was a
definite bad matchup for green Bay coming off of Carolina.
And what I mean by that defensively is you know,
e j everrew In, Carolina's disciple of Dom Capers, who
built this whole zone blitz fire zone defense with Vic Fangio.
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So Vic had all this film to see about. How
EVERU attacked Green Bay's offense, put his own little wrinkles
on it, but basically threw the same type of plan
at him with better players, and they couldn't get out
of the two shell. They couldn't run against it consistently,
they couldn't attack the underneath intermediate throws out of it,
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and the times in which they did move the ball
mic there was either a big penalty or there was
a fumble. And again, other than that one touchdown producing
drive there that ended with Josh Shacob's six yard rushing
TD to make it ten to seven. At the time,
green Bay just never was in a position where it
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felt like the foot was on the pedal and they
were driving towards the end zone.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, wrote wrote last week, and we talked on this
show last week. Kind of my biggest takeaway from the
Carolina game was the Packers are going to have to
figure out ways to win when they're forced to play
in a way that they don't want to play. And
the exact same thing, just as you outlined, Vic Fangio
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saw exactly what Everu and that Carolina defense did. He
did the same thing with his guys with their own wrinkle,
And we heard Matt Lafleur literally say the same thing
at the podium after this game as he said a
week ago, which is that the opposing defense is sitting
back and waiting for the Packers to screw up. And
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that's exactly what's been happening. To have as many opportunities
as they've had in opposing territory and not not be
able to get the points. The Packers have not proven
that they can score consistently enough offensively when they aren't
getting the big explosive plays. As you said, it's become
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an offense that relies on that in order to be successful.
And with that taken away that you're good, they're gonna
have to figure it out because the blueprint is out
there now. There's there's no reason for any team, any
opposing team at this point to play the Packers in
anything but a too high safety shell and force the
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Packers to beat them that way. So they're gonna keep seeing.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It in a lot of ways. It kind of you know,
everyone always talks about the end of that eleventh season,
but that was the change right with Romeo Cornell. With
Kansas City, they started deploying the too high that bled
into the twenty twelve season and Green Bay ultimately had
to run itself forward. They had to find a way
to break that, and that was one of the messages
that Josh Jacobs said afterwards. He doesn't know what the
answers are, but the fact is is the run game
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by and large, is not doing enough. They're not getting
enough opportunity, They're not generating enough yards off of what
the defense is presenting to them. In Until they do
that offense, the passing game is going to be put
in some really compromising situations. I think with the challenge
for Green Bay this week and it's a short week, yeah,
two days time, you and I are gonna be previewing
the New York Giants. But the challenge for them is
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they need to figure out what they want to major
in at this part of the season. You've had a
full half of the regular season. Now, the running game
is not what it was last year, particularly in the
first half. They've not been able to lean and sort
of build and pitch their tent on that foundation, and
it's led to some some challenges the first couple of
weeks they were they had those issues, but they got
out of them with third and long conversions. The third
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and long conversions are not happening now. You know, they
start the game against Philadelphia one for seven on third downs.
There there has to be either whether it's emphasizing a
particular player or a particular side of the offense, that
there has to be something that Green Bay can can
work with. Now, unfortunately, you hate to bring up the
I word, but it's struck again.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, that's that's just That's just where I was going
to go is is nobody wants to use injuries as
an excuse, and there is enough talent on this team
to perform better than their performing. But we've talked a
lot about how there's been this lack of continuity on
the offensive line all season long because of injuries, Guys
trying to play through injuries, other guys coming out of games,
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shuffling around, moving players, and now it sounds like the
news is not good on Elton Jenkins. He left the
game late in the second quarter with what was termed
an ankle injury. There are reports out there that it's
worse than that, and Matt Lafleur even said it doesn't
sound promising. That was his quote after the game on
Monday night. So you've got that you were coming into
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this game having to make the big adjustment your first
game without Tucker Craft at tight end. The Packers weren't
able to, as you said, find anything to hang their
hat on without Tucker Craft on the field. And at
the same time, receivers like Malik Heath and save On
Williams are on the injury report, so they're either limited
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or not practicing during the week. Matthew Golden did not practice,
he was out with a shoulder injury. You lose Romeo
Dobs to a chest injury during the game, So it
leads to bow Melton, receiver turned cornerback now turning back
into a receiver, having to play way more offensive snaps
than anybody could have anybody could have imagined. It's it's
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just it's this constant piling on of stuff going wrong,
some of which is completely beyond the Packers control. But
then there's all this other stuff that's piling up that
is within their control where they're hurting themselves, and it's
just it's led to it's led to the season being
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you know, kind of at a at a crux here,
it's it's at a turning point. They've got to figure
something out because at five three and one, big picture,
five to three and one is not a bad place
to be with with eight games to go, but the
way these last two games have gone, there's a lot
of reason for concern and they've got to find some answer.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, I mean, this is the inflection point. You're going
to have the Giants here coming up, but then you're
heading into the NFC North schedule, and while the NFC
West has been really difficult this year, the North still
nobody's a cake walk in that division. So I think
there's a number of things that as I was driving
home and I listened to Matt's press conference, I listened
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to Jordan's obviously this morning, I read your column and
your five things, and where I'm kind of at right
now and where I'm struggling to kind of figure out
what you put your finger on specifically with the offense
for what ails them is the fact that in fans
hate this because they always want to just find somebody
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to put everything on.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
But yeah, it's the blame game, is what everybody wants
to play and you have to take a step back
from that and look at it in a bigger picture.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Because it's everything.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, exactly, it's.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Jordan taking some bad sacks at improper times. It is
the play call on fourth and one that the Philadelphia Eagles,
you know, hear the call and react to it. Yeah,
and it makes Josh have to try to, you know,
pitch the ball and it doesn't work out. It's it's
the inability to to for the offensive front to move
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the defensive front and give Jacob's room to work with.
It is the drops. Like, it's a lot of issues
that the Packers are working through right now. And I
think what hurts the most to your original point that
you kind of brought up earlier when they needed that
spark when they needed to move the chains, it was
Tucker Craft. It's Ben Romeo Dobbs, who they had to
play a majority of the second half without. And like,
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let's be real, the fact that you know, we were
talking with bou Melton and locker room afterwards. It sounds
like bo really the last week is where he started
really practicing a lot at receiver. Again, guy played twenty
six snaps at receiver. Yeah, you know, he had the
the illegal formation penalty. I think Wis also had one
during the course of the game.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, that was the thing is even if even if
the Eagles don't know the fourth and one run is coming,
right that they were calling out and they buried Jacobs
in the backfield and all that, the Packers were going
to be in fourth and six because they lined up illegally.
It was going to be a five yard penalty even
if they had if they had converted it, they were
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gonna have to they were gonna have to do it
over again. I want to give the props to the
defense because because that was a wail of an effort,
and I want to start I want to start by
saying this, I don't because we don't know if the
Packers defense is going to be able to keep this up. Obviously,
it's an offense oriented league and there are times when
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things are just gonna go wrong on defense, like they
did in Dallas. Games like that happened. I know we're
gonna we're gonna hear from people over the next couple
of weeks about, you know, well, where where are the
where are the sacks from Micah Parsons and where are
the pressures in the quarterback hits and everything. What you
have to understand is that there were multiple times in
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that game last night where the defense put the Eagles
in third and ten plus and the Eagles capitulated, they
handed the ball off. And my point is that is
the Micah Parsons effect. That is the Eagles saying, we
are not going to give Micah Parsons a chance to
make a game wrecking, game changing play on third and fourteen.
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We're just gonna hand the ball off and punt because
the Packers offense isn't doing enough to scare us. So
Parsons is not going to have his chance to make
the plays that he can make and that Rashaun Gary
can make and a lot of these other guys. If
the Packers offense can't get going. It's the grand explanation
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is this is a team game, and what the Packers
defense did last night was really impressive. And even at
the end of the game, after giving up the third
and twelve conversion, which looked like maybe the death knell
in the game, when the Eagles converted that with the
pass to DeVante Smith, the defense still rose up and
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got the stop on the next series of downs and
got the ball back to the offense with plenty of time,
with plenty of time to drive for either a tying
field goal or possibly a game winning touchdown. Just a
tremendous effort by the defense against an offense that what
was the total fifty No, it was sixty six, thirty
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eight and twenty eight. Yeah, sixty six points in the
last two games, and the Eagles walked out of lambeau
Field with ten. He got a hand to the Packers defense.
And it's frustrating because that was a truly wasted performance
without being able to get the win.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And I'm glad you brought up that point. That's such
a great point you raised, maybe the best one on
the show so far, about the quarterback hits, the sad
and where things are at with Parsons in this because
just flip the script right, it's not even that you
have to necessarily be in a situation where you're up
by three touchdowns the Eagles up by one score basically
the entire game. Look at the pressure they were able
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to generate on Jordan Love because the Packers were putting
some obvious passing situations where they need to push the
ball downfield. Jalen Hurts, with the exception of four plays,
didn't really have to do that. Yeah, I mean, and
when he had to make them, he made them. You
give your credit there and you tip your cap to him.
I mean, he made some franchise quarterback plays throughout the
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course of that game. But there was so much that
was based on and a part of me wonders that
first series where they were drin Cooper gets the punch out. Yeah,
if this is offense, by the way, that is at
that point giving up only three giveaways the entire season.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
They yeah, we talked about that last week. Yeah, they'd
protected the ball as well as anybody in football. Three
giveaways through eight games.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
So you have to wonder, if you know, between Eric
Nick Sirianni and in that offensive coaching staff, if they're
thinking at that point where it's like, okay, possessions at
a premium, don't give them anything and see if you
can eventually, you know, matriculate the ball down the field.
They did it. The fact that, in I thought Evan
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Williams brought up a really good point, that's that's a
trademark of the Eagles too, that when they get an
explosive play like they got with the with the Barkley
forty one yard pickup. They will immediately look to hustle
downfield and try to hit you again, and they did.
And that was a difference in the game.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, it was. It was. It was amazing how quickly
the game turned from okay, it's three to nothing. The
Eagles got the field goal on their opening drive of
the second half after the zero zero first half, and
then early in the fourth quarter there the Eagles have
third and seven on their own twenty three yard line,
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and essentially a checkdown pass, you know, with Barkley as
the out out towards the out towards the boundary to
Hurts his left, a checkdown pass turns into the big
explosive play of forty one yards with the spin move,
and as you said, then they hustle up and boom. Okay,
now they're in attack mode and bang they throw downfield
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and Evan Williams is one on one with DeVante Smith
on the back end and Smith out jumps him for
the ball. Two plays seventy seven yards and the game
goes from three to nothing to ten to nothing like
just like that. But when we're talking about those two plays,
and I'll only bring up one other one, which was
when Jalen Hurts missed the backup tight end. I don't
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even remember his name down the seam in the first half.
He was open for what was looking like a potential touchdown.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I can't say his name.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, I can't even remember what his name is. But anyway,
that was the That's like the only other, like real
defensive breakdown type of play. We're talking about three plays
in this game where you know where the defense, where
the defense gave up, you know, something significant to the Eagles.
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And now it was a as far as the whole
bounce back thing goes, it was an incredible defensive effort
against the run. Based on how the previous game against
Carolina had gone and how Ricodowdell had had kind of
carved up the Packers run defense, we knew from what
had happened early on in the Pittsburgh game and then
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what was going on in the Carolina game that the
Packers had some things to shore up there. And boy
did they ever because Saquon Barkley. Saquon Barkley had what
was it sixty yards on twenty two care.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, I mean, if you look at their entire running
back room. You know that those numbers got boosted a
little bit by Jalen Hurts scrambling for twenty seven yards.
Their actual running backs ran the ball twenty nine times
for eighty seven eighty four yards in the game. Twenty
nine times for eighty four yards. It's less than three yards. Yeah,
so yeah, I mean it was it was a yeoman's effort.
I thought. I thought Kobe Wooden played a whale of
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a game coming off the shoulder injury. I mean, Kuay
Walker had two impactful tech tackles for a loss. DeVante
Wyatt had a key one as well. If you're going
to be in this situation where they're not dropping back
that way, you need to find ways to generate negative plays.
The defense did that, and may I are you are
we gonna be pivoting over to the talk about the
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rest of the games? Is this the end? Are we
finishing just about? I want to mention this. It has
nothing to do with the defense. So I apologize for
taking us off course. But I will say this, if
you're looking for reasons for optimism for Green Bay, and
we'll we'll probably expound more upon that when you get
away from this on Thursday. But two things. One, the
Kansas City Chiefs are in their bye week right now
at five and four, and they are looking at a
much more daunting task within the AFC West than what
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green Bay even faces in the North right now, with
how Denver's playing, with how things have lined up for
them in two, I did feel like there was something
that green Bay grabbed onto here and I'm curious to
see where it goes the rest of the season if
he's healthy. Christian Watson's third and ten catch was a
key moment in this game. Green Bay does not take
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advantage of it, but it was a strong hands catch
across the middle. Yeah, and so Christian ends up with
two catches for forty five yards. But after the game,
Christians tweeted, like I think four times in the last year.
After the game, somebody had put up the clip of
the deep ball that Love had tried earlier to him
in the end zone and said, should Christian Watson have
caught this ball? And Christian quote retweeted and said, yes,
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when you're talking about leadership, when you're talking about guys
that are coming to their own as a fourth year player,
We'll see what's going on. With Matthew Golden. We'll see
what's going on with Romeo Dobbs. Yeah, obviously we need
to find I think Christian is there. And when you're
looking at what this game plan is going to be
for the Giants game and going forward, I don't know
what it's all going to be. But as much as
we talk about spreading the ball around, if the Packers
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are limited in numbers at the receiver position, I wonder
if there's opportunities there to cook some stuff up for
Christian Watson because it looks like he's ready to go. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And uh and as Watson's reaction to that play indicates,
and we've seen this across the board as well, there's
no lack of accountability amongst the players. They know what
they have to do. They know that they're not getting
the job done on the offensive side of the ball.
So so they they're they're they're they're taking ownership of
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it and uh and they're gonna have to they're gonna
they're gonna figure it out at some point here. But
uh and but they're gonna do it together. It's not
going to be through a bunch of figure pointing or
this is what you have to do or this is
what you have to do. That's not how this works.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
No, And I love that. I'm glad you brought that
up because in the locker room efforts, that was the
prevailing sentiment. Matt, Matt Leafleur had his best comedy, probably
made the press conferences. We just need a win right now.
You have to go to New York and they got
to try to get a win. They have to get
some positive vibes here. But in the locker room, and
it was with when we were talking with Keishan, like
he said, it's like, we're not mad at the offense
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right now. We know how this game is played. These
guys have all been around a long time. There's gonna
be ebbs and flows. There's going to be a time
at the point this season where the offense is going
to pick up the defense. We know it's going to happen.
The defense understands its role right now is to keep
points off the board and give the offense a chance
to try to get to that twenty point mark, to
try to build some you know, momentum and build some production.
But there's no panic. And Micah Parsons said it as well,
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there is no panic. You're still five to three and one.
It's not great, it doesn't feel great. And if you
don't find answer, is that number and that winning, you
know plus two is going to evaporate.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I think there's still a lot of veterans in that
room right now that have been through some some downtimes
and are hoping that you could switch this thing around.
If you look at where Green Bay was at two
years ago at three and six, obviously you do anything
to be sitting at five and three like they are
right now.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, it's just crazy to think. I mean, how quickly
things change. Where you go, team goes from five to
one and one to suddenly two weeks later and you're
just saying, boy, they need to win in the worst
on and it doesn't matter how they get it. It's
like they just need they just need a win, They
need some kind of good mojo.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
When back to back home losses will do that for you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
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well West. Where the Packers stand is not a surprise
because the Detroit Lions and Chicago Bears both get victories
(26:13):
to get themselves to six and three, and those are
the two teams now sitting atop the NFC North. The
Lions technically would be in the lead because they beat
the Bears head to head. The Packers dropped a third
place at at five three and one, and I know
on our next show. We're going to talk all about
the Giants. But after the Giants game, five of the
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last seven are division opponents. I mean, that's that's gonna
be the crux of the schedule. That is going to
be the portion of the schedule that defines this season
one way or another for Green Bay. Yeah, you gotta
go to New Jersey and get a win over the
Giants and get to six three and one before before
the stretch of division games. But the definition of this
(27:00):
has yet to be written.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, I just want to say this too. Your app's
great points the division games one way or another. I
said it from the beginning. I said it. If the
Packers won this game against the Eagles, there were still
gonna be high stakes against the Giants, and what's no doubt,
no doubt, But you know, I want to mention this.
And obviously, the Giants let another one get away from them,
this time unfortunately it was to the Chicago Bears, and
(27:23):
it ended up being Brian Dabble's last, you know game
as the head coach of the Giants. This has nothing
to do with the Packers win, loser, draw, whatever happened Sunday.
I'm gonna say this though, I do not want to
see Jackson Dart playing in that game Sunday. It has
nothing to do with football. That's his fourth concussion. About well, now,
I think he got diagnosed with the concussion too.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Right, Yeah, what I what I understand is that he's
been evaluated four times, and I believe this is the
second officially diagnosed concussion at this point.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I mean, we'll see what happens. It's the Giants decision here. Obviously,
Russell Wilson's the backup. He's the guy that finished that
game against Chicago.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Jamis Winston is there as well. I'm not ruling out.
I'm not ruling out that the Packers might see Jameis Winston.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Jamis has made some magic against this team too. But dude,
you guys got a future to look at here, and
you have two wins right now. I mean, when I
saw that and then obviously all the dramatic stuff the
last couple of weeks, dabble going into the injury tent
and all this, it's just like the way they're using Dart.
He's a really exciting young guy. Yep, there's a you
(28:27):
got to keep this kid healthy. But I give, I
give the Bears a lot of credit. Man, they found
a way, and Caleb Willibs played borderline terrible the first
three quarters. But this is what number one overall picks
and guys that you build your franchise around do. And
Roma Dunze looks like he's going to be a really
good receiver in this league. The Bear dude, I said
(28:49):
it last week. The Bears remind me so much of
the Packers last year. They're winning games, and as we
saw yesterday, that's all this game is about. How many
wins do you have?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, and the Bears, now, yeah, the it was impressive
to me. Impressive isn't even the right word. I was
borderline flabbergasted at how many times Caleb Williams got away
from the New York Giants rush like. And that is
something that the Packers are going to have to prepare
for because because the Giants pass rush. Just from watching
(29:21):
that game against Chicago, the sack numbers they have is
not indicative of how they get after quarterbacks. And that's
gonna be something the Packers have to deal with. And yeah,
and you don't know, you don't know what kind of
a you don't know what kind of an atmosphere that
you're walking into with your opponent when they just fired
the head coach and now there's an interim head coach,
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and there's uncertainty at quarterback and you know who knows.
But the Packers can't even think about any of that.
They have to Everything has to be internal right now
and figuring things out amongst themselves. So we will talk
more about the giants on our next show, but for
now now we'll call it a rap on this edition
of Packers Unscript and be sure to continue following all
(30:05):
of our coverage of the team on Packers dot com
for Wesimmike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will
see you next time.
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