October 27, 2025 • 42 mins
Dave Canales joins Anish Shroff, Jim Szoke and Eugene Robinson on "Panther Talk" to recap the Panther's home loss to the Bills, provide several key injury updates, discuss how to handle the running back situation in Carolina, and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The following is an exclusive presentation of the Carolina Panthers
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Network, Stopping the run, getting our run game going on
the offensive side of the turnovers. This is just football
that we're not used to it, and we just have
to look at that and say, look, this was not
the brand of football that's led to the success that
we've had. Let's get back to what we were doing
before so that we can get this thing back on track.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
And now, along with Jim Zoki and Eugene Robinson, here's
a Niche Shroff with Panther Talk live from the Panthers
broadcast facility at Bank of America Stadio.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Welcome to Panther Talk, Monday, October twenty seventh, Manise Shrop,
Jim Zokie, Eugene Robinson, and the head coach of the
Carolina Panthers, Dave Canalis.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Dave tough.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
One on Sunday against the Bills that just kind of
seemed like things snowball, But you know, the one area
that we noticed early and we'll probably see more of this.
Teams want to run away from Derek Brown. What's kind
of the the counter punch now that you guys have
to make the adjustment.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, just making sure we're all tied in together along
the front, forcing runs, to make sure that they go
laterally that they found some vertical seams. Let's give credit
to the Bills and the run game that they came
out there with and James Cook had a special day
and they did a great job of game planning it.
But you know, the adjustment is, we got to make
sure that we're closing those gaps on the backside and
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all showing up and getting the guy down, you know,
making our tackles and all the fundamentals and things that
we've been you know, really improving on and returning to
that is going to be about getting back to practice
and making sure we understand like this is a different
type of attack and this is a copycat league, and
we're going to see that again, so let's make sure
that we're ready for it.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Coach, is as easy as just get into an eight
man front and try to compensate for being anfort to
we can waste some of that lateral movement the dude, doing.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
That's an adjustment that you can make. And also you
got to understand Josh Allen's the quarterback back there, and
you know when you go single high and load up
the box, you know, and you have a talented quarterback
that way. You know, there's I like the way that
our scheme is is varied and it's been working with success.
So we just got to shore up some of the
things to make sure we fit it and team tackle.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Even though it was a negative a month ago when
New England happened, you guys go on a three game
win streak after that. The fact that this team this
year has come back from that kind of a performance
and been able to rebound and play well, does that
give you further confidence that you can quickly bounce back
in a game like that next week.
Speaker 7 (02:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And and you know four weeks ago we had a
leadership council meeting and we met at the beginning of
the year for four games, go in, we lose at
New England and come back and have another leadership council
meeting and talked about what it's going to require to
play the type of football that we want to be
about stopping the run, being able to run the ball,
eliminating explosives and taking care of the ball. And when
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you look at that, you know, and we have this
group meeting on this day, they look at each other
and they say, Hey, the last time we were here,
this is how we did it. Get back to the basics,
attention to detail, making sure we're working on our technique
and fundamentals, team tackling and offensively, taking care of the ball,
to make sure that we give us good, complimentary football.
And there was a level of confidence that we can
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get that done again. Can we make it tangible enough
where these are things we can actually work on on Wednesday,
Thursday and Friday to improve our football.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Coach, I want to talk about something that I remember
Mike Holmgerm doing when it was something that was so
uncharacteristic of our defense or of our offense. He would
come in on a Monday and lect this, know what,
We're not going to even watch the film because this
is not you. You know, if this is not you,
did you ever even entertain maybe something like that when
you looked at your defense and go, this is not
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my defense the way they play because they've been playing
much better than with this.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, and that's what we did. You know today, we
you know, told the players that we weren't going to
have our normal tell the truth Monday meetings. We'll review
the things with them. But at the same time, you know,
today was about the staff looking at the last four games,
what has been successful for us, what are the things
that aren't working for us, and being able to move
forward with our best foot forward. So you know, we're
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we're moving on to the Packers now and when they
show up Wednesday, that'll be what it's about.
Speaker 7 (04:15):
Coach.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
The offensive line was an area of depth going into
the season. You guys have been tested there As of
right now Monday, what's the state of the offensive line
in terms of who's available.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, well, the good news is Chandler Zavala's window opens
up for a return this week. So as long as
we feel confident in him physically, I'm so glad he's here.
I'm so glad that we have another option to go
to it guard losing Brady Christensen, you know, and for
the year, and gives me a chance to just talk
about what Brady has meant to us. I mean, you
talk about a guy that played really six spots. He's
played the tackle guard center and was our big tight
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end primarily last year. A guy who shows up. He
didn't say a lot, but he loves to be out there.
He has a lot of fun with his teammates and
and really has just been a selfless guid and says,
whatever you need me to do, I'll go do it.
And uh, you know, has played with great energy and
has really you know, been a pivotal piece to what
we're doing.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
And along the lines of it's Monday, and you will
know much more in midweek. But with Bryce Young, as
we said here today, what's your optimism level as far
as looking to next weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, he had a great session today and return to play,
ran around some and so we're gonna take it day
by day and the goal is to get him out
there Wednesday and see what he can do in some
different modified team settings and and hopefully we can get
him out there on Sunday. But again we're gonna have
to keep it day to day and make sure we
make the right decision for Bryce's you know, long term health,
you know, with his ankle, and then also what's best
for the team.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
And well might we see even more so of Jimmy horn.
I don't know why. I'm just a big fan of
the speed and and what he brings it. Even when
you put when he's doing a jet sweep or you're
throwing the Boughton back, he's just he's explosive, very explosive.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought up Jimmy. He's doing an
excellent job and his his role grows every week too,
in terms of how we're able to uniutlize him in
the past game and you know, I think about one
of the first third downs of the game and we
just missed him on a corner route, you know, and
it was he got open. We count on guys and
they play Manda.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's just it's you on him and speed wins. He
stuck his foot in the ground and gave us a
surface and you know, Andy just missed the throw. But
he continues to grow. He's a tough guy and he
gives us a lot of the speed. Alumy, you talk
about the jet sweeps, you know, really opens up whether
we give it to him or not. You know, just
some different things offensively.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Dave, with the running back situation, you have to take
the good of or blimp aerial view, and you've seen
Cuba Hubbard rush for almost twelve hundred yards. You know
what he's about, you know what he means to the
locker room. And then you've watched Rico Dowdell really take
advantage of some of these opportunities. So what changes what
stays the same in terms of how you manage that
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running back room going forward.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I think you said it best. I can't really describe
the situation better than what you said, and you know,
honoring the fact of what I know about Cuba and
then honoring the fact of what we all have seen
Rico do and how he's impacted the game. So that
continually is on me to make the decision to make
sure we're putting the guys out there in the different
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roles to impact this team to win, you know, and
ultimately that's what it comes down to, you know. So
those are conversations we're having today and tomorrow that we're
gonna have to work through and decide how we move forward.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Tetoro McMillan almost one hundred yards again yesterday and halfway
through his rookie season. Has he been everything and more
than you thought he might be when you drafted him?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Absolutely, and the things that I didn't know about him,
you know, because we just didn't have a lot of
time to spend with him. But the way that he
goes about his work, the way that he bounces back
from you know, a slower day or if a guy's
frustrating him in a game, the way he comes back
out in the next series to attack and to compete.
It's the competitor that I'm learning a lot about the
resilience that he has. And those are the things that
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are really special that you can kind of guess based
on what you see on film, but you really don't
know until you see him work day in and day out,
and so I'm really pleased with where he's at.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Another thing that goes maybe a little bit unnoticed that
the way I receive is blocking downfield a lot downfield
to also spring when we talk about chewbo Of, we
talk about ric O'dado, you don't get all those yards
just because you're getting those yards. A lot of people
have to be blocking and you're receivers are coming through.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Absolutely, it's all eleven. Everyone's got a contribution, and that's
the quarterback included getting us to the right run and
then finishing on your boots after you hand the ball off,
because we set all of our play actions off of
those runs, and you know, if you're coming out differently
after the exchange the backside defensive end, he can tell
the difference. And so we have to make sure that
we marry those things up. And it's a constant reminder
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that it's tempting, you know, when the guy starts to
get rolling and quarterback wants to look back and see
his running back go to work. But we got to
carry out those fakes and do all those things. But
everybody has a contribution.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Coach.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
One of the other young guys who's been flashing Nick
gorton sacks and back to back games, how has he
progressed through the first eight weeks.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I love Nick, Love what he's been about. He's another
guy that's really focused a young pro and about the
way he works, his attention to detail, he gets football,
and he's just improving. He's scratching the surface in terms
of his toolbag for his rush package and the things
of that nature. And he plays physical at the point
of attack and the run game as well. One hundred
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miles an hour. That's who we drafted. We drafted that
type of effort that he keeps showing up with, But
we're learning a lot more about the football sense and
savvy that he has Green Bay.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
We'll get into the game itself a little bit later
this week, but goingto Lanmbeufield, are you kind of a
football historian as far as just the appreciation of going
to places like that that exist when you're in this
line of work, to be able to play at a
place like that.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Absolutely. I think it's very important as we go around
the league and we're able to play in different stadiums
that have been around for a long time, that we
appreciate the historical meaning, the amazing games played, the amazing players,
the Hall of famers that have come out of there.
It's important we take all that in and it's also
important that we say, Okay, this is a great moment.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
This field is fifty three and a third wide, it's
one hundred yards long. There's a great opponent over there
on the other side. Can I be focused? Don't want
them to miss it. I want to make sure that
they understand the historical significance to our game of this place,
and also to make it another game and to go
out there so we can.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Execute when you take a curse for you look at
the Green Bay Packers. What jumps off the screen to
you as you see getting ready to prepare for the stay.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I see a head coach, Matt Lafleur who's done a
great job over the course of years now establishing a
mentality of how to play football. He's got the players
trained the way that he wants them. This is a
really talented young skill group on the offensive side of
guys who Jordan Love has grown with and taught them
what he's looking for in different ways. You can tell
by the speed of play, the way that they react
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to the scramble response, the way that they they are
attacking and they hit their motions, the timing and all
those things are are excellent. You're throwing Josh Jacobs into
that mix, and it's a very The run game has
a lot to it, there's some nuances to it, and
there's still the toughness that they have. You know, you
flip on the defensive side, it's a really tough group.
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It's an attacking front. They like to blitz, of course,
using Micah Parsons in different ways. Where Sean Gary, he
looks awesome. He just continues to get better throughout his career,
and some really athletic linebackers, So this is a really
complete team. This is a great opportunity for us to
play our best on the road, to make sure that
we're focused and locked in to the different things that
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they're going to try to stress us with.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Coach, there's been a resiliency to this team over the
second half of last year and even the first half
of this year. When you kind of dive into the
DNA of the culture of what the Carolina Panthers are,
where do you feel that that resiliency has grown from.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It's just proving to each other what we can be
when we do right, when we count on each other.
It's accountability, it's toughness, it's selflessness. It's going out there
and doing your job, not looking for the big splash play,
but letting it come to you. It's the fundamentals of
football returning to work, and it's always going to be
centered on that. It's always going to be rooted in
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the effort that we put in, the focus, celebrating each other,
making sure that we celebrate the wins as they come
to us, and also just caring about the little things,
caring about, you know, situational football and the different things
that we challenge the guys with through the week and walkthroughs,
stressing them in different situations. Even looking at the I
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know we missed the field goal. We're not expecting to
have a sack in that situation at the end of
a half. But Tracy Smith had the guys ready for
a possible situation, a money situation is what we call it,
and you know it's improbable, but the sack happened. We
got out there, we lined up, we executed the snap,
we didn't get the kick. But it's those type of
scenarios that we that coach George Lee and myself that
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we expose our players to. But it's all those things
that we try to pride ourselves on and we want
to just continue to push our football forward with that
type of toughness and resilience.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
It's a good place to leave it. Unless a niche
you have a Halloween question.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
You know, I mean, let's end down a white note here.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
He would have noted them candy bars? Which kind of
candy bars?
Speaker 8 (13:02):
You got going on?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
What are we doing for candy? Has Lizzie picked out
the candy or do you pick out the candy?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Oh, Lizzie, certainly does you know? It's it's the assorted chocolates,
you know, it's it's all the Snickers and Milk Duds
and Baby Roots and Milky Ways and all those things
that you can think of. And you know, as far
as as far as our Halloween costume, you know, I
got a snapshot of it on the phone, and it
looks like we're going to be an old school baseball team,
which we have four kids, so we're almost there. You know,
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there's six of us, need a couple, a couple more,
maybe suit up a couple of our animals that we
have at the house too. But it's going to be
a throwback style, something like what you would see on
like League of their Own. So they sound say, I
did not, I did not. I'm showing up. I'm going
to be the manager that also gets the pitch and
maybe hit a little bit.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
So player manager Dave Canos, Dave, thank you, all right,
Thanks guys, thank you. You're listening to the Carolina Panthers
Radio Network.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
This is Tempter Talk. Not do you buy Bank of America?
What would you like the power.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
To do the most important thing for us as a
staff is to point to things, tangible, things that we
can correct, and we have to focus on those things,
and if we do, we'll continue to move our football forward.
We took a step back today in terms of taking
care of it and stopping the run. We got to
get back on track to playing the type of ball
that Panthers are used to.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Panther Talk continues on the Carolina Panthers Radio Network.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And a sharp Jibzochi Eugene Robinson back here on Panther Talk.
With Sunday's loss to the Bills, the Panthers are now
four and four at Green Bay this weekend before they
come home to take on the last place Saints. One
of the big topics coming out of Sunday, and certainly
it's going to be a topic throughout this week, is
how to manage the running backs. And Dave Canal has
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talked about it as Monday press conference. Hey, he's seen
what Chuba Hubbard has done. He's also seeing what Rico
Dowdell is doing. And if you look at it, in
the last four games where Dowdell has seen more carries,
he's averaging better than six and a half yards per carry.
Cuba had that calf injury. In the two games since
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he's been back from injury two and a half yards
per carry. I think it's easy prisoner in the moment
week to week fantasy football, I just sit Cuba and
you play Rico and.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Eugene.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Take us into the dynamics of how this works in
a locker room, because listen, Cuba is one of the
guys that you would consider the face of the franchise.
And while again on paper, it may seem like an
easy decision, like there's locker room dynamics, there's contracts. There's
more to this than I think maybe people allow themselves
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to consider.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
It's not an easy decision that coach Kanalis has to
go ahead and do. If you were to favor one
over the other, that's very difficult because they both are
playing extremely well, particularly dond is running the ball extremely
extremely well, and you don't forget what Tuba has been
able to to go ahead and do. And so you're
talking about locker room dynamics, you're talking about the huddle dynamics,
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you talk about all those type of things that you
put into the mix. And that's why you just can't
say all right, I'm just going with dond Or, I'm
just going with Tuba. What coach would love to have.
It's the same thing he had with Jonathan Student and D'Angelo.
He wants that fire and eyes. He wants that that
explosiveness and that ease and once they run, he wants
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both of them. So to Coach Canalis, he wants to
use them both. He has to be able to use
them both and not really just kind of rely it's
just on one of the guys. And that's why I
think with the struggle now. The fans, on the other hand,
when you see Rico getting off as we've been seeing.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
You get it. You understand this.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
You're going like this, man, just you know, just everybody,
fans come up to me. We just need Richel Donald.
We just need him all right, until he gets hurt
because you get Shart, you're gona be talking about, Oh,
I'm glad we got Tuba. So coach has to manage
all that stuff, and it's very difficult, but it's a
good problem to have.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Now.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I will only for one other thing to the coach
that whoever is playing well that day, run them. Make
sure that day that person gets the most uses that day,
if they're playing, if they're having a great time, man
let them eat.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
When you were in Green Bay, Edgar Bennett and Dorsey Levins.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
That's right, Edgar Bennett and Dorsey Levins, And I remember
coach Holgram having that struggle. But I remember Dorsey having
a great game, and I didn't even see Eger Benner.
You know, you saw him sparely. And I remember Edgar
Benner having a great day, and you saw him more
so more so. And so from that standpoint, I think
coaches love having that, you know, that decision where if
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I can use one of them, whoever, I'm just gonna
ride the horse that's who's just really doing well and so,
and Dorsey would tell you. Dorsey says that he benefited
from having Edgar Bennett there because it made him work
that much harder. And I bet you the same thing
for Tuba and the same thing for Dado. They ben
it from for each other because they know that that
person's going to bring it and they want to be
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out there.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
I think you go with the hot hand, and I
think it could be a week to week thing. And
if Rico'dado in his career in Dallas was averaging seven
yards per carry. He'd still be a cowboy. He's not
always going to average what he is right now, but
he in this moment is and he's running hard and
he's being effective right now. He's a free agent at
the end of this year. Let him play his game
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and then Chuba's got that exact same opportunity. Whether Cuba
gets five or eight carries per game, he gets those
chances to show what he can do when those chances come.
Rico only had eight carries yesterday. That's not enough, whatever
the score is, and so I would keep riding it
and then when it switches back or whatever this someone
gets dinged up. I mean, there's plenty of football season
be played around. It's a team it's the ultimate team sport.
So it could be certain weeks where certain guys are
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featured in certain weeks where or not. Because remember the
previous week when we beat the Jets, teter Ron McMillan
had like three catches thirty yards, so it wasn't his
week to have the big performance, but the team won.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
That's what you want to do is win.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
And I would like to see them both out there
at the same time. Where you have Tuba in the backfield,
and you move Ricodado like that we're doing right now
with Jimmy Horn. Put him out in that little slot
a little deal and get him like a quick little screen,
have him run a little Texas route, have him beat
up on a linebacker, or do it reverse.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
You could, you could.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
There's so many options that you have when you have
them both out there, and now you have to account
for both a Cuba and a Ricodado.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, and I think the conundrum here it's a simple one.
We know what Cuba is capable of since coming back
from the injury. He just hasn't been that guy he does.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Here's the thing, he doesn't look as explosive as Rico Rico.
This is when I think of Taylor, Jonathan Taylor, when
I think of Jacob's they're explosive, very explosive.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
That's what Ricodado brings the table.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
He's explosive. He puts his foot in the ground and
he's gone. Cuba does not look that way right now.
Tuba looks like he's doable. He looks like he's dependable.
He looks like, Okay, he ain't gonna mess me up
at all. So you talk about style right now, and
right now, I think the explosive player.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
I would give a little bit more reps to do indeed,
and that would be Ricodoto.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
And you're coming off a loss, so I think you know,
the previous week was the first week and you did
this fifty to fifty split and you won. So it
really in a way, it wasn't affecting the outcome of
the game, but you still could have made the case.
So maybe in the fourth quarter more Rico, we would
have picked up some first downs we didn't get or whatever.
This time, you're coming off a big loss. This is
professional football. It's not Pop Warner with the parents in
the stands, you know, making the decisions here. So this
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is big boy football and everybody understands it and we
all see it. So I bet of all people, Chuba
Hubber sees what Rico Dwell's doing out there and be like, yeah,
that's that's going pretty good up exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
The other thing that came out of Sunday, Andy Dalton
gets the start in place of Bryce Young. He struggled.
There's no other way around it. Three turnovers, and a
couple of them were really backbreakers. There was the fumble
where Russo punches the ball out from behind, and that
was a red zone turnover when the Panthers were moving
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the ball ten point swing. Spinessa with the pick, Buffalo
takes that down to the one yard line. They punch
it in from a yard out. There were a couple
of plays where I think for the Bryce Young skeptics,
you can kind of start to appreciate what Bryce Young does.
Andy Dalton's had a great career, fifteen years in the NFL.
He's thirty seven years old. He's a backup at this stage.
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He's a backup at this stage, partly also because he
wants to be a backup at the stage and didn't
play particularly well. But some of the escapability, I don't
know if Russo is able to catch Bryce from behind.
Bryce's ability to escape, maneuver the pocket, improvise, he just
has more of that in his bag. There are things
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that Andy Dalton now can do, maybe better than Bryce.
But you know, it was a few of Bryce's traits
that Andy just doesn't have at this stage of his career.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
It was very noticeable on Sunday, there's a be.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Seven quarterback sacks if Price is out there, just because
of his youngness, his elusiveness. You think back to that
touchdown pass he threw to xavierly Get in New York
the week before where he kind of freelances scrambles. I mean,
that's the specialness that you see. And Nady Dalton's a
three time Pro Bowl player, but he is at the
stage of his career. He's Joe Flacco. You know what
you're gonna get minus the turnovers. But even Joe Flacco's
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had his games where he said over the past two
years he's turned it over too many times. So I think, yeah,
I think with Bryce, you know, moving forward, that's that's
gonna be your guy.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
And that's who's a too you want on on the field.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
And whether you like it or not, Andy, everybody slows down,
whether you like it or not, and whether you think
you can make that play, sometimes that plays out there.
And when youth is there, youth is a big thing
because that's a lot of speed that we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
And listen, you know, we've all had a chance to
be around Andy Dalton, one of the great guys, love them,
great locker room guy, great teammate, you're root for him.
But that was a tough game that he had on Sunday,
all right, more to do Here. On Panther Talk, Jim
spoke to Rasinski, former voice of the Panthers, Plus Eugene
will share some of his best memories from.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
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Today we catch up with the original voice of the
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Ten years as the voice of the Carolina Panthers. We
visit with Bill about the great Super Bowl thirty eight.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Season, thirty seasons of Panther Football. A celebration of the players, coaches,
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Speaker 6 (23:57):
The Panthers of two thousand and three. That was a
surprise team. They showed improvement in John Fox's first year
of the year before and then they started out five
and oh and it kind of flamed on early that year.
But what were some of your thoughts about how the
season began for Carolina that year.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
Well, I think Jimma was all about the emergence of
Jake delom as the quarterback of the team. You know,
so they signed him in the off season, and I
remember this. You know these they used to have it.
I don't know if they still do, these Panther caravan
trips in the summer where you'd get some players and
some of the top Cats and staff and you'd go
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to Charleston or Savannah or somewhere Columbia and you would
have a day there meeting with fans. I remember I
was on one of these before that summer, before the
three season started, and Jake was on the trip and
no one wanted his autograph. He was sitting at a
table in the school and there are a couple other
Panther players there who everybody knew, and he's like sitting there,
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and I actually I went over and talked to him
for a couple of minutes to make him feel good.
And I didn't know much about the guy. But as
the season got underway, and of course it was all
about that opener against Jacksonville, Rodney Pete was the starting
quarterback and I believe it was seventeen nothing at the half.
The offense was doing nothing. And the next thing I know,
you and I are in the booth along with Roman
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and here comes Jake Delone and I think Jim the
rest is history. He rallied the team that day and
the Tampa win was goofy because we had blocked two
field goals? Can we block an extra point which would
have won the game when they scored at the end,
we block it? And you said they started five to zero.
And I think for me the key early that season
that I thought this team was going to be really good.
(25:39):
We went to Indy and beat the Colts with Peyton Manning,
and I think we did it with the Sean Foster.
I think the running back Stephen Davis was banged up
that day and I think Foster came in and had
a big day. But that to me was like, oh,
I think we're gonna be pretty good.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
That was definitely one where we thought, Okay, this is
at that time those other quality teams and to be
able to go on the road.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
And you mentioned the Tampa Bay games.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
So you win two in overtime, then you win a
third one against New Orleans later on in overtime and
lose one in Atlanta, but the three and one in
overtime games and had a lot of close games along
the way, So.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
I think that was important too.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
But to your point, like about Jake the love, like
for all we do, he's gonna be Matt Moore right
at that point, Like who knew that that he would
go on to be, you know, such a big part
of Panthers history as he would go on to be
from that point.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
Yeah, and I credit him. I think he literally over
the next So that's three and through. I believe eight. Well.
I think I think in eight they Panthers might have
had their best team in that in that run with
John Fox when they had double trouble and I think
they went twelve and four during the regular season, that
might have been their their best team. You and the
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Arizona beat him in a playoff game here at Charlotte.
But to me, the loam you know, you're right, nobody
was thinking this guy was going to do anything. He'd
been a journeyman, you'd been you know, he played for
the Saints. I think the Cowboys are interested in him
and he comes in. He's really really the third guy
because Chris Wanky was hanging around, and all of a
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sudden he becomes a leader of this team. Very unorthodox.
Did he have a great arm, No, I don't think so.
But for some reason he rallied this team and he
had this rapport with Steve Smith. I don't know how
many times we saw Jim over the course of Delob's run,
including that two thousand and three season, where they need
a big play and he just heaven the Smith and
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go there's three guys around, you go get it, and
Steve would usually get it. And then we had a
good running game. The defense was outstanding. That was that
team really gelled that year, and obviously we made it
all the way to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
I remember two like things might be right.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
The offensive line maybe had one starter missed one game
or something. I think they basically had their offensive line
intact the entire season.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
Yeah, Jordan Gross was a rookie on that team at
right tackle. I know, I know it's funny talking to
Jordan a few years later when he's like, going, geez,
my rookie year, go to the Super Bowl. I'm expecting
this to happen every year. Obviously it doesn't. In the NFL.
But yeah, that was a good group. Kevin Donnelly, ah
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and just just just a bunch of grinders in there.
Jeff Mitchell, I think, was the center. And then you
had good running backs. You had two really good running backs,
and then you had Jake and then the wide receivers
with Moose and the other guy we we got to
mention is Ricky pol because Ricky turned out to be
clutch receivers, caught the touchdown that helped beat Jacksonville, caught
(28:37):
the touchdown in the Super Bowl that would end up
being the tying score before you know, minitary one and overtime.
So there was just and the and the defense was
just was just really really good because they had Dan
Morgan was strong, Peppers was new. Uh, you had Rucker
(28:58):
and Minner and just a bunch of Chris Jenkins.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Yeah you talk about the block kicks in that Tampa
Bay game, he was he was the guy.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
Yeah, I know, I mean this was they could put
pressure on the quarterback and they they got turnovers when
they when they needed them, you know. And then we
went on that run of the playoffs that no one
thought was gonna happen either.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
No, that was interesting too. Because you know, we were
kind of the underdog every step of the way. The
what eleven and five had that three game losing streak
in late November early December, but they finished out with
three straight wins win the division by three games. The
Saints were second that year in the South at eight
and eight. But you begin by beating Dallas at home.
I think it was the way they beat the Cowboys,
(29:42):
right twenty nine to ten, Like you thought, Okay, it's
a game at home, you could win it. But I
mean the way that they thumped the Cowboys really sent
a message moving forward.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
Yeah, when I think back to that game again, great
crowd like they had for the Dallas playoff game after
the ninety sixth season, but this was a Parcels team
that came in and they steamrolled. I remember Steven Davis
had a great run for a touchdown, Steve Smith got
a touchdown pass. It was a total domination. And then
you're right, You're right, we go, we go to Saint Louis.
(30:12):
The Rams are in Saint Louis then still greatest show
on turf and shock them in double overtime. And then
on to Philadelphia, where I remember somebody came up to me.
Was a writer in Philadelphia found out I was the
voice of the team, and he walks up to me
before the NFC Championship game. He goes, he's, hey, you
(30:33):
think you guys haven't honestly goodness chance to win this game?
I go, well, yeah, I go. Based on I go,
if you haven't followed us this year, if it's closed,
we have a great chance to win. We win a
lot of close games. As it turns out, that was
again they knocked off who's the Eagles quarterback got hurt?
(30:54):
You know, they knocked him out of the game. I
think Ty Detmore had to come in and play for
them in that game. We just to again a stifling defense.
So but you're right, we went to No one was
expecting us to get the Super Bowl thirty eight, and
we did.
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And Ash Jim Eugene back with you here on Panther Talk.
Carolina goes to Green Bay on Sunday to take on
the Packers. Green Bay looks like a Super Bowl contender
out of the NFC. Had a strong, strong second half
against Pittsburgh on Sunday night on the road. The whole
Aaron Rodgers storyline. Facing Green Bay for the first time, Eugenie,
(31:55):
you played for the Packers. In fact, you were on
the ninety six team that beat the Carolina in the
NFC Championship. Really one of the biggest games in the
early history of the Carolina Panthers. The mystique, the aura,
the ambiance of Lambeau Field. As somebody who played there,
give me some of the feedback you've gotten from visiting
(32:17):
players over the years when they get to Lambeau and
they get to feel.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Lambeau.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
First of all, I can't believe how cold it is
during the winter time, Especially with that playoff game we
played against the Carolina Panthers. It was like minus seventeen. No,
with the wind show, it was like minus twenty eight,
but it was like three degrees.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
It was cold.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Man, It was cold, And I look in the stands
and the people are rabbits still screaming.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
The entire time.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
It was like constant noise in your ear as if
you were like new to a jet engine, and it
would it continued from start to finish, and it never stopped.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
It just absolutely never stopped.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
And for the players, you get off on that stuff
because I mean, it's cold, but it's not cold to
you because you got these people over here yelling at
you and screaming the entire time, the almost the actually
entire time. And so that's what you get. You notice
how rabbit the fans are. The fans really get into it.
(33:22):
And then if you get somebody doing a Lambot leap
like you got Leroy or it was Brooksy, was Freeman
jumping in the stands, it's it's insane. It goes like
it takes it up another level, like it's almost like
he leaped over here, but everybody felt the leap, you know.
And so that's what you get. And I think another
thing that you don't realize. And Coach Canavis was talking
(33:44):
about talking about Coach Lafloy, He's talking about the way
he coaches and how good he has his guys believing
in his scheme. That's another thing that you, Mike Hongrim,
we believed in the scheme, we believed in what we
were doing, and we felt so comfortable that we all
knew that we had a part in it too.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
So that's what you get.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
You get a lot of mystique, and the mystique is
well deserved because, I mean, you're talking about the Lombardi's
trophies from there, and when we brought the Lombardi trophy home,
you know how many people say, you brought.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
Our trophy home.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
You brought our trophy on trophy.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
It's not your trophy, but to them it's their trophy.
So from that standpoint, that's what you get.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
As you get ready to play the Green Bay Packers,
and you already mentioned it, they're playing well.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
I mean they five to one and one. They are
playing extremely well.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
And if you're gonna stop it, you better stop Jordan
Love and you better stop Jacobs because that offense is prolific.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
They can score points at any time.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
It's a great atmosphere. My wife and Andrews even been
there before. It's the most PG group. As rapid as
they are, they will offer you abroad. You know, that's
roight tailgate with you, and it's just like but it's
it's like clean fun.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
And It's not phill, Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Yeah, that's a great anti comparison to that as well.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
What was it like though back in that day?
Speaker 6 (34:58):
And of course we were all David and I some
of us have worked at the game back of the
day where you're playing against the Panthers and Dom Capers
and Sam Mills and those guys coming in there. What
was it like being a teammate of Brett Farv in
that era of football?
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Man? Brett was just that guy.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
First of all, I used to call him a redneck
thug because he loved he's country and he's hood and
he loves country music and he loves hip hop. And
I said, dude, you got this. I don't even know
this dichotomy a thing you got, but you got it
going on. And then he was absolutely the funny, one
of the funniest guys. He and Reggie White with the
(35:34):
funniest guys because they were always playing practical jokes on you.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
There's always turning your shower cold or turning it hot.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Hitting you with soap, flicking towels and doing all kinds
of crazy stuff like it. You're like, yo, Brett Man,
grow up, dude. Yeah, I'll grow up and he's smacking
you with a towel. Man, Man, Brett Frop dumped a
bucket of cold right. I'm reading a paper and next
thing I know, I get hit with a bucket of
fifty degree cold water on me. So there's nobody in
the locker room. I see this white butt turner. So
(36:00):
I run to the side. I'm like, who's that.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
I see it turned the corner again, and now he's
in the locker room, and so I don't know.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I get in the locker room and I look up
Brett Farves in a locker barely with a towel, saying.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
It wasn't me, Jean, it wasn't me.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
He's the only one in the locker room. I said, Brent,
I don't care how long it takes me. I'm gonna
get a bucket of dump a bucket of cold water.
And I never got him because guess what, he took
his bathroom breaks in the coach's locker room. There you go,
so I never I don't know where we go from now.
I'm just telling you, man, that Brett Farvr man dump
a bucket of cold water on your brother.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
I love him, though.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Those were some incredible teams though, Leroy Butler yourself. Yea
Antonio Freeman on those teams, right, Antonio Freeman, Dorsey Levins,
Reggie White.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
I would say what Derek Brown reminds me a lot
of what Reggie White would I se because it was
a certain calmness that Derek Brown brings to our defense
and that Reggie brought to our defense. Because when Reggie
will speak, we will all shut up and we will
all listen. And when I see that with Derek Brown,
I saw, even after the wind last week, I saw
two weeks ago, I saw Derrick Brown say, hey, hey,
(37:08):
let this be short lived. He said, hey, hey, we
got a big game coming up.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
He didn't want anything to do with victory Monday exactly.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
And that was the same thing that I would have
with Reggie White. He's like, Okay, yes, good, but guess what,
we got a bigger goal in mine. And so I
see some similar similarities in that too, And that's really
good to see because it kind of reminds me of
my good friend Reggie Way.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
What was it like as a person and you and
Ga living in that community of green babying a smaller area,
not your typical NFL stop. What was it like just
being a part of that community living there.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Okay, I still don't know who's been cutting my grass,
and I still don't know who's been shoveling my snow.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
I don't know. To this day.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
I never cut the grass at all, not one time.
And when we're.
Speaker 7 (37:50):
Coming into Green Bay and there.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Was a snowstorm We're coming from Philly or whatever we
were coming from, I was like, oh man, I'm not
gonna be able to get in because all the snow.
It would always be plowed out. And somebody's always shoveled
my soul on both sides of the garage. And to
this day, I don't know who. I don't know who.
That's Green Bay. That's the lord of Green Bay.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
The people there are something else. It's something else.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Eugene.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
This will be my first trip to lambau I'm excited.
First time. Never been there. I've heard about its unique
location in terms of where in Green Bay it sits
describe the surrounding area of lambeau Field.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
It used to be a little bit more rural because
the stadium was just there when they were getting ready
for the draft. It was so built up that I
did not recognize it. I did not recognize it like that.
I didn't see this building, this hotel, this hotel, this,
this restaurant, this restaurant.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
It was that. So you're gonna and it's walkable. Everything's walkable.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
So as you go down there, it's gonna be like
a college town if you will, and it's gonna be
all walkable stuff that you can get to. And as
the synergy is right around the stadium.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
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Panther Talk continues on the Carolina Panthers Radio Network.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Panthers going to lambeau Field. You kind of look at
this two game stretch, right, Panthers were four and three
in the first seven. That was the underbelly, the soft
part of the schedule. Outside of two games against the
Saints and other Falcons are struggling. It's a gauntlet pretty
much the rest of the way. And if you're somehow
able to pull out a win at Green Bay Gym,
(39:33):
I think it in the NFL is such a week
to week deal, but it kind of changes. I think
what you think this team could be in this season.
You can go get a road win at Green.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
Bay now, and I think you know, people remember late
last season Philadelphia, Kansas City. I mean, these were winnable games.
I think Green Bay falls in that thing as well,
where you kind of on the surface go on Lambeau's
green Bay. They're coming off a huge win over Pittsburgh.
They're gonna be tough, and no doubt we're gonna be
the underdogs. It would be upset if we win, but
we came close to doing that. We beat Atlanta, which
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I know is up five hundred. They actually three and
four at this point, but you know, beat them by
thirty this year. So this is a better Panther team
than that one I'm talking about from last year that
was right there playing neck and neck with those kind
of teams. So to me, you Gene, it's like every
week is different in this league. There's not a week
that goes by in the NFL where there aren't upsets,
and this would be not, by any stretch, the biggest upset,
if word to half, I think the Panthers have shown
they could play with teams like this.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
I think your litmus tests is the Cowboys. They took
the Cowboys forty to forty, and we beat the Cowboys,
and so when you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
The Falcons beat the Bills though exactly.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
But when you're talking about putting points upon, we can
score points against the Green Bay Packers, no doubt.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
In my mind.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
The question is can you stop them from scoring. I
don't want them to get twenty five points. I want
them to be around eighteen nineteen points and we outscored them.
That seems to be the formula to me. You got
to be able to outscore this opponent and limit some
of the production they do off As far as points
of concern.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
I watched Jordan Love in college. I did one of
his games when he was at Utah State. I'll be honest,
I'm surprised he's been this good. I'm also amazed you
mentioned Brett farr. If it went from Farv to Aaron
Rodgers to Jordan Love. When all is said and done,
they may have three Hall of Fame quarterbacks in succession.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
That's astounding.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
I told Jordan Love about two years ago when I
saw him we were doing a baseball game. I told him,
I said, look by your time with Aaron Rodgers and
then when you have a chance to do your thing,
do you think because you're that good.
Speaker 6 (41:31):
They changed quarterbacks about as often as the Steel has
changed coaches.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
There you go, Panthers up to Green Bay. How does
it go?
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Lombardi certain magic still lingers on the very name. Yeah,
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Network, Stopping the run, getting our run game going on
the offensive side of the turnovers. This is just football
that we're not used to it, and we just have
to look at that and say, look, this was not
the brand of football that's led to the success that
we've had. Let's get back to what we were doing
before so that we can get this thing back on track.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
And now, along with Jim Zoki and Eugene Robinson, here's
a Niche Shroff with Panther Talk live from the Panthers
broadcast facility at Bank of America Stadio.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Welcome to Panther Talk, Monday, October twenty seventh, Manise Shrop,
Jim Zokie, Eugene Robinson, and the head coach of the
Carolina Panthers, Dave Canalis.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Dave tough.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
One on Sunday against the Bills that just kind of
seemed like things snowball, But you know, the one area
that we noticed early and we'll probably see more of this.
Teams want to run away from Derek Brown. What's kind
of the the counter punch now that you guys have
to make the adjustment.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, just making sure we're all tied in together along
the front, forcing runs, to make sure that they go
laterally that they found some vertical seams. Let's give credit
to the Bills and the run game that they came
out there with and James Cook had a special day
and they did a great job of game planning it.
But you know, the adjustment is, we got to make
sure that we're closing those gaps on the backside and
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all showing up and getting the guy down, you know,
making our tackles and all the fundamentals and things that
we've been you know, really improving on and returning to
that is going to be about getting back to practice
and making sure we understand like this is a different
type of attack and this is a copycat league, and
we're going to see that again, so let's make sure
that we're ready for it.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Coach, is as easy as just get into an eight
man front and try to compensate for being anfort to
we can waste some of that lateral movement the dude, doing.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
That's an adjustment that you can make. And also you
got to understand Josh Allen's the quarterback back there, and
you know when you go single high and load up
the box, you know, and you have a talented quarterback
that way. You know, there's I like the way that
our scheme is is varied and it's been working with success.
So we just got to shore up some of the
things to make sure we fit it and team tackle.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Even though it was a negative a month ago when
New England happened, you guys go on a three game
win streak after that. The fact that this team this
year has come back from that kind of a performance
and been able to rebound and play well, does that
give you further confidence that you can quickly bounce back
in a game like that next week.
Speaker 7 (02:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And and you know four weeks ago we had a
leadership council meeting and we met at the beginning of
the year for four games, go in, we lose at
New England and come back and have another leadership council
meeting and talked about what it's going to require to
play the type of football that we want to be
about stopping the run, being able to run the ball,
eliminating explosives and taking care of the ball. And when
(02:57):
you look at that, you know, and we have this
group meeting on this day, they look at each other
and they say, Hey, the last time we were here,
this is how we did it. Get back to the basics,
attention to detail, making sure we're working on our technique
and fundamentals, team tackling and offensively, taking care of the ball,
to make sure that we give us good, complimentary football.
And there was a level of confidence that we can
(03:19):
get that done again. Can we make it tangible enough
where these are things we can actually work on on Wednesday,
Thursday and Friday to improve our football.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Coach, I want to talk about something that I remember
Mike Holmgerm doing when it was something that was so
uncharacteristic of our defense or of our offense. He would
come in on a Monday and lect this, know what,
We're not going to even watch the film because this
is not you. You know, if this is not you,
did you ever even entertain maybe something like that when
you looked at your defense and go, this is not
(03:47):
my defense the way they play because they've been playing
much better than with this.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, and that's what we did. You know today, we
you know, told the players that we weren't going to
have our normal tell the truth Monday meetings. We'll review
the things with them. But at the same time, you know,
today was about the staff looking at the last four games,
what has been successful for us, what are the things
that aren't working for us, and being able to move
forward with our best foot forward. So you know, we're
(04:11):
we're moving on to the Packers now and when they
show up Wednesday, that'll be what it's about.
Speaker 7 (04:15):
Coach.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
The offensive line was an area of depth going into
the season. You guys have been tested there As of
right now Monday, what's the state of the offensive line
in terms of who's available.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, well, the good news is Chandler Zavala's window opens
up for a return this week. So as long as
we feel confident in him physically, I'm so glad he's here.
I'm so glad that we have another option to go
to it guard losing Brady Christensen, you know, and for
the year, and gives me a chance to just talk
about what Brady has meant to us. I mean, you
talk about a guy that played really six spots. He's
played the tackle guard center and was our big tight
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end primarily last year. A guy who shows up. He
didn't say a lot, but he loves to be out there.
He has a lot of fun with his teammates and
and really has just been a selfless guid and says,
whatever you need me to do, I'll go do it.
And uh, you know, has played with great energy and
has really you know, been a pivotal piece to what
we're doing.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
And along the lines of it's Monday, and you will
know much more in midweek. But with Bryce Young, as
we said here today, what's your optimism level as far
as looking to next weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, he had a great session today and return to play,
ran around some and so we're gonna take it day
by day and the goal is to get him out
there Wednesday and see what he can do in some
different modified team settings and and hopefully we can get
him out there on Sunday. But again we're gonna have
to keep it day to day and make sure we
make the right decision for Bryce's you know, long term health,
you know, with his ankle, and then also what's best
for the team.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
And well might we see even more so of Jimmy horn.
I don't know why. I'm just a big fan of
the speed and and what he brings it. Even when
you put when he's doing a jet sweep or you're
throwing the Boughton back, he's just he's explosive, very explosive.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought up Jimmy. He's doing an
excellent job and his his role grows every week too,
in terms of how we're able to uniutlize him in
the past game and you know, I think about one
of the first third downs of the game and we
just missed him on a corner route, you know, and
it was he got open. We count on guys and
they play Manda.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's just it's you on him and speed wins. He
stuck his foot in the ground and gave us a
surface and you know, Andy just missed the throw. But
he continues to grow. He's a tough guy and he
gives us a lot of the speed. Alumy, you talk
about the jet sweeps, you know, really opens up whether
we give it to him or not. You know, just
some different things offensively.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Dave, with the running back situation, you have to take
the good of or blimp aerial view, and you've seen
Cuba Hubbard rush for almost twelve hundred yards. You know
what he's about, you know what he means to the
locker room. And then you've watched Rico Dowdell really take
advantage of some of these opportunities. So what changes what
stays the same in terms of how you manage that
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running back room going forward.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I think you said it best. I can't really describe
the situation better than what you said, and you know,
honoring the fact of what I know about Cuba and
then honoring the fact of what we all have seen
Rico do and how he's impacted the game. So that
continually is on me to make the decision to make
sure we're putting the guys out there in the different
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roles to impact this team to win, you know, and
ultimately that's what it comes down to, you know. So
those are conversations we're having today and tomorrow that we're
gonna have to work through and decide how we move forward.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Tetoro McMillan almost one hundred yards again yesterday and halfway
through his rookie season. Has he been everything and more
than you thought he might be when you drafted him?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Absolutely, and the things that I didn't know about him,
you know, because we just didn't have a lot of
time to spend with him. But the way that he
goes about his work, the way that he bounces back
from you know, a slower day or if a guy's
frustrating him in a game, the way he comes back
out in the next series to attack and to compete.
It's the competitor that I'm learning a lot about the
resilience that he has. And those are the things that
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are really special that you can kind of guess based
on what you see on film, but you really don't
know until you see him work day in and day out,
and so I'm really pleased with where he's at.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Another thing that goes maybe a little bit unnoticed that
the way I receive is blocking downfield a lot downfield
to also spring when we talk about chewbo Of, we
talk about ric O'dado, you don't get all those yards
just because you're getting those yards. A lot of people
have to be blocking and you're receivers are coming through.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Absolutely, it's all eleven. Everyone's got a contribution, and that's
the quarterback included getting us to the right run and
then finishing on your boots after you hand the ball off,
because we set all of our play actions off of
those runs, and you know, if you're coming out differently
after the exchange the backside defensive end, he can tell
the difference. And so we have to make sure that
we marry those things up. And it's a constant reminder
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that it's tempting, you know, when the guy starts to
get rolling and quarterback wants to look back and see
his running back go to work. But we got to
carry out those fakes and do all those things. But
everybody has a contribution.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Coach.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
One of the other young guys who's been flashing Nick
gorton sacks and back to back games, how has he
progressed through the first eight weeks.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I love Nick, Love what he's been about. He's another
guy that's really focused a young pro and about the
way he works, his attention to detail, he gets football,
and he's just improving. He's scratching the surface in terms
of his toolbag for his rush package and the things
of that nature. And he plays physical at the point
of attack and the run game as well. One hundred
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miles an hour. That's who we drafted. We drafted that
type of effort that he keeps showing up with, But
we're learning a lot more about the football sense and
savvy that he has Green Bay.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
We'll get into the game itself a little bit later
this week, but goingto Lanmbeufield, are you kind of a
football historian as far as just the appreciation of going
to places like that that exist when you're in this
line of work, to be able to play at a
place like that.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Absolutely. I think it's very important as we go around
the league and we're able to play in different stadiums
that have been around for a long time, that we
appreciate the historical meaning, the amazing games played, the amazing players,
the Hall of famers that have come out of there.
It's important we take all that in and it's also
important that we say, Okay, this is a great moment.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
This field is fifty three and a third wide, it's
one hundred yards long. There's a great opponent over there
on the other side. Can I be focused? Don't want
them to miss it. I want to make sure that
they understand the historical significance to our game of this place,
and also to make it another game and to go
out there so we can.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Execute when you take a curse for you look at
the Green Bay Packers. What jumps off the screen to
you as you see getting ready to prepare for the stay.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I see a head coach, Matt Lafleur who's done a
great job over the course of years now establishing a
mentality of how to play football. He's got the players
trained the way that he wants them. This is a
really talented young skill group on the offensive side of
guys who Jordan Love has grown with and taught them
what he's looking for in different ways. You can tell
by the speed of play, the way that they react
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to the scramble response, the way that they they are
attacking and they hit their motions, the timing and all
those things are are excellent. You're throwing Josh Jacobs into
that mix, and it's a very The run game has
a lot to it, there's some nuances to it, and
there's still the toughness that they have. You know, you
flip on the defensive side, it's a really tough group.
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It's an attacking front. They like to blitz, of course,
using Micah Parsons in different ways. Where Sean Gary, he
looks awesome. He just continues to get better throughout his career,
and some really athletic linebackers, So this is a really
complete team. This is a great opportunity for us to
play our best on the road, to make sure that
we're focused and locked in to the different things that
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they're going to try to stress us with.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Coach, there's been a resiliency to this team over the
second half of last year and even the first half
of this year. When you kind of dive into the
DNA of the culture of what the Carolina Panthers are,
where do you feel that that resiliency has grown from.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It's just proving to each other what we can be
when we do right, when we count on each other.
It's accountability, it's toughness, it's selflessness. It's going out there
and doing your job, not looking for the big splash play,
but letting it come to you. It's the fundamentals of
football returning to work, and it's always going to be
centered on that. It's always going to be rooted in
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the effort that we put in, the focus, celebrating each other,
making sure that we celebrate the wins as they come
to us, and also just caring about the little things,
caring about, you know, situational football and the different things
that we challenge the guys with through the week and walkthroughs,
stressing them in different situations. Even looking at the I
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know we missed the field goal. We're not expecting to
have a sack in that situation at the end of
a half. But Tracy Smith had the guys ready for
a possible situation, a money situation is what we call it,
and you know it's improbable, but the sack happened. We
got out there, we lined up, we executed the snap,
we didn't get the kick. But it's those type of
scenarios that we that coach George Lee and myself that
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we expose our players to. But it's all those things
that we try to pride ourselves on and we want
to just continue to push our football forward with that
type of toughness and resilience.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
It's a good place to leave it. Unless a niche
you have a Halloween question.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
You know, I mean, let's end down a white note here.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
He would have noted them candy bars? Which kind of
candy bars?
Speaker 8 (13:02):
You got going on?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
What are we doing for candy? Has Lizzie picked out
the candy or do you pick out the candy?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Oh, Lizzie, certainly does you know? It's it's the assorted chocolates,
you know, it's it's all the Snickers and Milk Duds
and Baby Roots and Milky Ways and all those things
that you can think of. And you know, as far
as as far as our Halloween costume, you know, I
got a snapshot of it on the phone, and it
looks like we're going to be an old school baseball team,
which we have four kids, so we're almost there. You know,
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there's six of us, need a couple, a couple more,
maybe suit up a couple of our animals that we
have at the house too. But it's going to be
a throwback style, something like what you would see on
like League of their Own. So they sound say, I
did not, I did not. I'm showing up. I'm going
to be the manager that also gets the pitch and
maybe hit a little bit.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
So player manager Dave Canos, Dave, thank you, all right,
Thanks guys, thank you. You're listening to the Carolina Panthers
Radio Network.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
This is Tempter Talk. Not do you buy Bank of America?
What would you like the power.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
To do the most important thing for us as a
staff is to point to things, tangible, things that we
can correct, and we have to focus on those things,
and if we do, we'll continue to move our football forward.
We took a step back today in terms of taking
care of it and stopping the run. We got to
get back on track to playing the type of ball
that Panthers are used to.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Panther Talk continues on the Carolina Panthers Radio Network.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And a sharp Jibzochi Eugene Robinson back here on Panther Talk.
With Sunday's loss to the Bills, the Panthers are now
four and four at Green Bay this weekend before they
come home to take on the last place Saints. One
of the big topics coming out of Sunday, and certainly
it's going to be a topic throughout this week, is
how to manage the running backs. And Dave Canal has
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talked about it as Monday press conference. Hey, he's seen
what Chuba Hubbard has done. He's also seeing what Rico
Dowdell is doing. And if you look at it, in
the last four games where Dowdell has seen more carries,
he's averaging better than six and a half yards per carry.
Cuba had that calf injury. In the two games since
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he's been back from injury two and a half yards
per carry. I think it's easy prisoner in the moment
week to week fantasy football, I just sit Cuba and
you play Rico and.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Eugene.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Take us into the dynamics of how this works in
a locker room, because listen, Cuba is one of the
guys that you would consider the face of the franchise.
And while again on paper, it may seem like an
easy decision, like there's locker room dynamics, there's contracts. There's
more to this than I think maybe people allow themselves
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to consider.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
It's not an easy decision that coach Kanalis has to
go ahead and do. If you were to favor one
over the other, that's very difficult because they both are
playing extremely well, particularly dond is running the ball extremely
extremely well, and you don't forget what Tuba has been
able to to go ahead and do. And so you're
talking about locker room dynamics, you're talking about the huddle dynamics,
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you talk about all those type of things that you
put into the mix. And that's why you just can't
say all right, I'm just going with dond Or, I'm
just going with Tuba. What coach would love to have.
It's the same thing he had with Jonathan Student and D'Angelo.
He wants that fire and eyes. He wants that that
explosiveness and that ease and once they run, he wants
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both of them. So to Coach Canalis, he wants to
use them both. He has to be able to use
them both and not really just kind of rely it's
just on one of the guys. And that's why I
think with the struggle now. The fans, on the other hand,
when you see Rico getting off as we've been seeing.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
You get it. You understand this.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
You're going like this, man, just you know, just everybody,
fans come up to me. We just need Richel Donald.
We just need him all right, until he gets hurt
because you get Shart, you're gona be talking about, Oh,
I'm glad we got Tuba. So coach has to manage
all that stuff, and it's very difficult, but it's a
good problem to have.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Now.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I will only for one other thing to the coach
that whoever is playing well that day, run them. Make
sure that day that person gets the most uses that day,
if they're playing, if they're having a great time, man
let them eat.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
When you were in Green Bay, Edgar Bennett and Dorsey Levins.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
That's right, Edgar Bennett and Dorsey Levins, And I remember
coach Holgram having that struggle. But I remember Dorsey having
a great game, and I didn't even see Eger Benner.
You know, you saw him sparely. And I remember Edgar
Benner having a great day, and you saw him more
so more so. And so from that standpoint, I think
coaches love having that, you know, that decision where if
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I can use one of them, whoever, I'm just gonna
ride the horse that's who's just really doing well and so,
and Dorsey would tell you. Dorsey says that he benefited
from having Edgar Bennett there because it made him work
that much harder. And I bet you the same thing
for Tuba and the same thing for Dado. They ben
it from for each other because they know that that
person's going to bring it and they want to be
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out there.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
I think you go with the hot hand, and I
think it could be a week to week thing. And
if Rico'dado in his career in Dallas was averaging seven
yards per carry. He'd still be a cowboy. He's not
always going to average what he is right now, but
he in this moment is and he's running hard and
he's being effective right now. He's a free agent at
the end of this year. Let him play his game
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and then Chuba's got that exact same opportunity. Whether Cuba
gets five or eight carries per game, he gets those
chances to show what he can do when those chances come.
Rico only had eight carries yesterday. That's not enough, whatever
the score is, and so I would keep riding it
and then when it switches back or whatever this someone
gets dinged up. I mean, there's plenty of football season
be played around. It's a team it's the ultimate team sport.
So it could be certain weeks where certain guys are
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featured in certain weeks where or not. Because remember the
previous week when we beat the Jets, teter Ron McMillan
had like three catches thirty yards, so it wasn't his
week to have the big performance, but the team won.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
That's what you want to do is win.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
And I would like to see them both out there
at the same time. Where you have Tuba in the backfield,
and you move Ricodado like that we're doing right now
with Jimmy Horn. Put him out in that little slot
a little deal and get him like a quick little screen,
have him run a little Texas route, have him beat
up on a linebacker, or do it reverse.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
You could, you could.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
There's so many options that you have when you have
them both out there, and now you have to account
for both a Cuba and a Ricodado.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, and I think the conundrum here it's a simple one.
We know what Cuba is capable of since coming back
from the injury. He just hasn't been that guy he does.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Here's the thing, he doesn't look as explosive as Rico Rico.
This is when I think of Taylor, Jonathan Taylor, when
I think of Jacob's they're explosive, very explosive.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
That's what Ricodado brings the table.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
He's explosive. He puts his foot in the ground and
he's gone. Cuba does not look that way right now.
Tuba looks like he's doable. He looks like he's dependable.
He looks like, Okay, he ain't gonna mess me up
at all. So you talk about style right now, and
right now, I think the explosive player.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
I would give a little bit more reps to do indeed,
and that would be Ricodoto.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
And you're coming off a loss, so I think you know,
the previous week was the first week and you did
this fifty to fifty split and you won. So it
really in a way, it wasn't affecting the outcome of
the game, but you still could have made the case.
So maybe in the fourth quarter more Rico, we would
have picked up some first downs we didn't get or whatever.
This time, you're coming off a big loss. This is
professional football. It's not Pop Warner with the parents in
the stands, you know, making the decisions here. So this
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is big boy football and everybody understands it and we
all see it. So I bet of all people, Chuba
Hubber sees what Rico Dwell's doing out there and be like, yeah,
that's that's going pretty good up exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
The other thing that came out of Sunday, Andy Dalton
gets the start in place of Bryce Young. He struggled.
There's no other way around it. Three turnovers, and a
couple of them were really backbreakers. There was the fumble
where Russo punches the ball out from behind, and that
was a red zone turnover when the Panthers were moving
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the ball ten point swing. Spinessa with the pick, Buffalo
takes that down to the one yard line. They punch
it in from a yard out. There were a couple
of plays where I think for the Bryce Young skeptics,
you can kind of start to appreciate what Bryce Young does.
Andy Dalton's had a great career, fifteen years in the NFL.
He's thirty seven years old. He's a backup at this stage.
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He's a backup at this stage, partly also because he
wants to be a backup at the stage and didn't
play particularly well. But some of the escapability, I don't
know if Russo is able to catch Bryce from behind.
Bryce's ability to escape, maneuver the pocket, improvise, he just
has more of that in his bag. There are things
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that Andy Dalton now can do, maybe better than Bryce.
But you know, it was a few of Bryce's traits
that Andy just doesn't have at this stage of his career.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
It was very noticeable on Sunday, there's a be.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Seven quarterback sacks if Price is out there, just because
of his youngness, his elusiveness. You think back to that
touchdown pass he threw to xavierly Get in New York
the week before where he kind of freelances scrambles. I mean,
that's the specialness that you see. And Nady Dalton's a
three time Pro Bowl player, but he is at the
stage of his career. He's Joe Flacco. You know what
you're gonna get minus the turnovers. But even Joe Flacco's
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had his games where he said over the past two
years he's turned it over too many times. So I think, yeah,
I think with Bryce, you know, moving forward, that's that's
gonna be your guy.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
And that's who's a too you want on on the field.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
And whether you like it or not, Andy, everybody slows down,
whether you like it or not, and whether you think
you can make that play, sometimes that plays out there.
And when youth is there, youth is a big thing
because that's a lot of speed that we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
And listen, you know, we've all had a chance to
be around Andy Dalton, one of the great guys, love them,
great locker room guy, great teammate, you're root for him.
But that was a tough game that he had on Sunday,
all right, more to do Here. On Panther Talk, Jim
spoke to Rasinski, former voice of the Panthers, Plus Eugene
will share some of his best memories from.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
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Speaker 6 (23:28):
Today we catch up with the original voice of the
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You hear him, of course on PGA Golf Radio as well.
Ten years as the voice of the Carolina Panthers. We
visit with Bill about the great Super Bowl thirty eight.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Season, thirty seasons of Panther Football. A celebration of the players, coaches,
and other key figures who've contributed to the organizational success.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
The Panthers of two thousand and three. That was a
surprise team. They showed improvement in John Fox's first year
of the year before and then they started out five
and oh and it kind of flamed on early that year.
But what were some of your thoughts about how the
season began for Carolina that year.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
Well, I think Jimma was all about the emergence of
Jake delom as the quarterback of the team. You know,
so they signed him in the off season, and I
remember this. You know these they used to have it.
I don't know if they still do, these Panther caravan
trips in the summer where you'd get some players and
some of the top Cats and staff and you'd go
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to Charleston or Savannah or somewhere Columbia and you would
have a day there meeting with fans. I remember I
was on one of these before that summer, before the
three season started, and Jake was on the trip and
no one wanted his autograph. He was sitting at a
table in the school and there are a couple other
Panther players there who everybody knew, and he's like sitting there,
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and I actually I went over and talked to him
for a couple of minutes to make him feel good.
And I didn't know much about the guy. But as
the season got underway, and of course it was all
about that opener against Jacksonville, Rodney Pete was the starting
quarterback and I believe it was seventeen nothing at the half.
The offense was doing nothing. And the next thing I know,
you and I are in the booth along with Roman
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and here comes Jake Delone and I think Jim the
rest is history. He rallied the team that day and
the Tampa win was goofy because we had blocked two
field goals? Can we block an extra point which would
have won the game when they scored at the end,
we block it? And you said they started five to zero.
And I think for me the key early that season
that I thought this team was going to be really good.
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We went to Indy and beat the Colts with Peyton Manning,
and I think we did it with the Sean Foster.
I think the running back Stephen Davis was banged up
that day and I think Foster came in and had
a big day. But that to me was like, oh,
I think we're gonna be pretty good.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
That was definitely one where we thought, Okay, this is
at that time those other quality teams and to be
able to go on the road.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
And you mentioned the Tampa Bay games.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
So you win two in overtime, then you win a
third one against New Orleans later on in overtime and
lose one in Atlanta, but the three and one in
overtime games and had a lot of close games along
the way, So.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
I think that was important too.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
But to your point, like about Jake the love, like
for all we do, he's gonna be Matt Moore right
at that point, Like who knew that that he would
go on to be, you know, such a big part
of Panthers history as he would go on to be
from that point.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
Yeah, and I credit him. I think he literally over
the next So that's three and through. I believe eight. Well.
I think I think in eight they Panthers might have
had their best team in that in that run with
John Fox when they had double trouble and I think
they went twelve and four during the regular season, that
might have been their their best team. You and the
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Arizona beat him in a playoff game here at Charlotte.
But to me, the loam you know, you're right, nobody
was thinking this guy was going to do anything. He'd
been a journeyman, you'd been you know, he played for
the Saints. I think the Cowboys are interested in him
and he comes in. He's really really the third guy
because Chris Wanky was hanging around, and all of a
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sudden he becomes a leader of this team. Very unorthodox.
Did he have a great arm, No, I don't think so.
But for some reason he rallied this team and he
had this rapport with Steve Smith. I don't know how
many times we saw Jim over the course of Delob's run,
including that two thousand and three season, where they need
a big play and he just heaven the Smith and
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go there's three guys around, you go get it, and
Steve would usually get it. And then we had a
good running game. The defense was outstanding. That was that
team really gelled that year, and obviously we made it
all the way to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
I remember two like things might be right.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
The offensive line maybe had one starter missed one game
or something. I think they basically had their offensive line
intact the entire season.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
Yeah, Jordan Gross was a rookie on that team at
right tackle. I know, I know it's funny talking to
Jordan a few years later when he's like, going, geez,
my rookie year, go to the Super Bowl. I'm expecting
this to happen every year. Obviously it doesn't. In the NFL.
But yeah, that was a good group. Kevin Donnelly, ah
(28:14):
and just just just a bunch of grinders in there.
Jeff Mitchell, I think, was the center. And then you
had good running backs. You had two really good running backs,
and then you had Jake and then the wide receivers
with Moose and the other guy we we got to
mention is Ricky pol because Ricky turned out to be
clutch receivers, caught the touchdown that helped beat Jacksonville, caught
(28:37):
the touchdown in the Super Bowl that would end up
being the tying score before you know, minitary one and overtime.
So there was just and the and the defense was
just was just really really good because they had Dan
Morgan was strong, Peppers was new. Uh, you had Rucker
(28:58):
and Minner and just a bunch of Chris Jenkins.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Yeah you talk about the block kicks in that Tampa
Bay game, he was he was the guy.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
Yeah, I know, I mean this was they could put
pressure on the quarterback and they they got turnovers when
they when they needed them, you know. And then we
went on that run of the playoffs that no one
thought was gonna happen either.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
No, that was interesting too. Because you know, we were
kind of the underdog every step of the way. The
what eleven and five had that three game losing streak
in late November early December, but they finished out with
three straight wins win the division by three games. The
Saints were second that year in the South at eight
and eight. But you begin by beating Dallas at home.
I think it was the way they beat the Cowboys,
(29:42):
right twenty nine to ten, Like you thought, Okay, it's
a game at home, you could win it. But I
mean the way that they thumped the Cowboys really sent
a message moving forward.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
Yeah, when I think back to that game again, great
crowd like they had for the Dallas playoff game after
the ninety sixth season, but this was a Parcels team
that came in and they steamrolled. I remember Steven Davis
had a great run for a touchdown, Steve Smith got
a touchdown pass. It was a total domination. And then
you're right, You're right, we go, we go to Saint Louis.
(30:12):
The Rams are in Saint Louis then still greatest show
on turf and shock them in double overtime. And then
on to Philadelphia, where I remember somebody came up to me.
Was a writer in Philadelphia found out I was the
voice of the team, and he walks up to me
before the NFC Championship game. He goes, he's, hey, you
(30:33):
think you guys haven't honestly goodness chance to win this game?
I go, well, yeah, I go. Based on I go,
if you haven't followed us this year, if it's closed,
we have a great chance to win. We win a
lot of close games. As it turns out, that was
again they knocked off who's the Eagles quarterback got hurt?
(30:54):
You know, they knocked him out of the game. I
think Ty Detmore had to come in and play for
them in that game. We just to again a stifling defense.
So but you're right, we went to No one was
expecting us to get the Super Bowl thirty eight, and
we did.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
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Speaker 3 (31:33):
And Ash Jim Eugene back with you here on Panther Talk.
Carolina goes to Green Bay on Sunday to take on
the Packers. Green Bay looks like a Super Bowl contender
out of the NFC. Had a strong, strong second half
against Pittsburgh on Sunday night on the road. The whole
Aaron Rodgers storyline. Facing Green Bay for the first time, Eugenie,
(31:55):
you played for the Packers. In fact, you were on
the ninety six team that beat the Carolina in the
NFC Championship. Really one of the biggest games in the
early history of the Carolina Panthers. The mystique, the aura,
the ambiance of Lambeau Field. As somebody who played there,
give me some of the feedback you've gotten from visiting
(32:17):
players over the years when they get to Lambeau and
they get to feel.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Lambeau.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
First of all, I can't believe how cold it is
during the winter time, Especially with that playoff game we
played against the Carolina Panthers. It was like minus seventeen. No,
with the wind show, it was like minus twenty eight,
but it was like three degrees.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
It was cold.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Man, It was cold, And I look in the stands
and the people are rabbits still screaming.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
The entire time.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
It was like constant noise in your ear as if
you were like new to a jet engine, and it
would it continued from start to finish, and it never stopped.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
It just absolutely never stopped.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
And for the players, you get off on that stuff
because I mean, it's cold, but it's not cold to
you because you got these people over here yelling at
you and screaming the entire time, the almost the actually
entire time. And so that's what you get. You notice
how rabbit the fans are. The fans really get into it.
(33:22):
And then if you get somebody doing a Lambot leap
like you got Leroy or it was Brooksy, was Freeman
jumping in the stands, it's it's insane. It goes like
it takes it up another level, like it's almost like
he leaped over here, but everybody felt the leap, you know.
And so that's what you get. And I think another
thing that you don't realize. And Coach Canavis was talking
(33:44):
about talking about Coach Lafloy, He's talking about the way
he coaches and how good he has his guys believing
in his scheme. That's another thing that you, Mike Hongrim,
we believed in the scheme, we believed in what we
were doing, and we felt so comfortable that we all
knew that we had a part in it too.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
So that's what you get.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
You get a lot of mystique, and the mystique is
well deserved because, I mean, you're talking about the Lombardi's
trophies from there, and when we brought the Lombardi trophy home,
you know how many people say, you brought.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
Our trophy home.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
You brought our trophy on trophy.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
It's not your trophy, but to them it's their trophy.
So from that standpoint, that's what you get.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
As you get ready to play the Green Bay Packers,
and you already mentioned it, they're playing well.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
I mean they five to one and one. They are
playing extremely well.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
And if you're gonna stop it, you better stop Jordan
Love and you better stop Jacobs because that offense is prolific.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
They can score points at any time.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
It's a great atmosphere. My wife and Andrews even been
there before. It's the most PG group. As rapid as
they are, they will offer you abroad. You know, that's
roight tailgate with you, and it's just like but it's
it's like clean fun.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
And It's not phill, Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Yeah, that's a great anti comparison to that as well.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
What was it like though back in that day?
Speaker 6 (34:58):
And of course we were all David and I some
of us have worked at the game back of the
day where you're playing against the Panthers and Dom Capers
and Sam Mills and those guys coming in there. What
was it like being a teammate of Brett Farv in
that era of football?
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Man? Brett was just that guy.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
First of all, I used to call him a redneck
thug because he loved he's country and he's hood and
he loves country music and he loves hip hop. And
I said, dude, you got this. I don't even know
this dichotomy a thing you got, but you got it
going on. And then he was absolutely the funny, one
of the funniest guys. He and Reggie White with the
(35:34):
funniest guys because they were always playing practical jokes on you.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
There's always turning your shower cold or turning it hot.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Hitting you with soap, flicking towels and doing all kinds
of crazy stuff like it. You're like, yo, Brett Man,
grow up, dude. Yeah, I'll grow up and he's smacking
you with a towel. Man, Man, Brett Frop dumped a
bucket of cold right. I'm reading a paper and next
thing I know, I get hit with a bucket of
fifty degree cold water on me. So there's nobody in
the locker room. I see this white butt turner. So
(36:00):
I run to the side. I'm like, who's that.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
I see it turned the corner again, and now he's
in the locker room, and so I don't know.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I get in the locker room and I look up
Brett Farves in a locker barely with a towel, saying.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
It wasn't me, Jean, it wasn't me.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
He's the only one in the locker room. I said, Brent,
I don't care how long it takes me. I'm gonna
get a bucket of dump a bucket of cold water.
And I never got him because guess what, he took
his bathroom breaks in the coach's locker room. There you go,
so I never I don't know where we go from now.
I'm just telling you, man, that Brett Farvr man dump
a bucket of cold water on your brother.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
I love him, though.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Those were some incredible teams though, Leroy Butler yourself. Yea
Antonio Freeman on those teams, right, Antonio Freeman, Dorsey Levins,
Reggie White.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
I would say what Derek Brown reminds me a lot
of what Reggie White would I se because it was
a certain calmness that Derek Brown brings to our defense
and that Reggie brought to our defense. Because when Reggie
will speak, we will all shut up and we will
all listen. And when I see that with Derek Brown,
I saw, even after the wind last week, I saw
two weeks ago, I saw Derrick Brown say, hey, hey,
(37:08):
let this be short lived. He said, hey, hey, we
got a big game coming up.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
He didn't want anything to do with victory Monday exactly.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
And that was the same thing that I would have
with Reggie White. He's like, Okay, yes, good, but guess what,
we got a bigger goal in mine. And so I
see some similar similarities in that too, And that's really
good to see because it kind of reminds me of
my good friend Reggie Way.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
What was it like as a person and you and
Ga living in that community of green babying a smaller area,
not your typical NFL stop. What was it like just
being a part of that community living there.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Okay, I still don't know who's been cutting my grass,
and I still don't know who's been shoveling my snow.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
I don't know. To this day.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
I never cut the grass at all, not one time.
And when we're.
Speaker 7 (37:50):
Coming into Green Bay and there.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Was a snowstorm We're coming from Philly or whatever we
were coming from, I was like, oh man, I'm not
gonna be able to get in because all the snow.
It would always be plowed out. And somebody's always shoveled
my soul on both sides of the garage. And to
this day, I don't know who. I don't know who.
That's Green Bay. That's the lord of Green Bay.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
The people there are something else. It's something else.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Eugene.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
This will be my first trip to lambau I'm excited.
First time. Never been there. I've heard about its unique
location in terms of where in Green Bay it sits
describe the surrounding area of lambeau Field.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
It used to be a little bit more rural because
the stadium was just there when they were getting ready
for the draft. It was so built up that I
did not recognize it. I did not recognize it like that.
I didn't see this building, this hotel, this hotel, this,
this restaurant, this restaurant.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
It was that. So you're gonna and it's walkable. Everything's walkable.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
So as you go down there, it's gonna be like
a college town if you will, and it's gonna be
all walkable stuff that you can get to. And as
the synergy is right around the stadium.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
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Speaker 1 (39:07):
Panther Talk continues on the Carolina Panthers Radio Network.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Panthers going to lambeau Field. You kind of look at
this two game stretch, right, Panthers were four and three
in the first seven. That was the underbelly, the soft
part of the schedule. Outside of two games against the
Saints and other Falcons are struggling. It's a gauntlet pretty
much the rest of the way. And if you're somehow
able to pull out a win at Green Bay Gym,
(39:33):
I think it in the NFL is such a week
to week deal, but it kind of changes. I think
what you think this team could be in this season.
You can go get a road win at Green.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
Bay now, and I think you know, people remember late
last season Philadelphia, Kansas City. I mean, these were winnable games.
I think Green Bay falls in that thing as well,
where you kind of on the surface go on Lambeau's
green Bay. They're coming off a huge win over Pittsburgh.
They're gonna be tough, and no doubt we're gonna be
the underdogs. It would be upset if we win, but
we came close to doing that. We beat Atlanta, which
(40:05):
I know is up five hundred. They actually three and
four at this point, but you know, beat them by
thirty this year. So this is a better Panther team
than that one I'm talking about from last year that
was right there playing neck and neck with those kind
of teams. So to me, you Gene, it's like every
week is different in this league. There's not a week
that goes by in the NFL where there aren't upsets,
and this would be not, by any stretch, the biggest upset,
if word to half, I think the Panthers have shown
they could play with teams like this.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
I think your litmus tests is the Cowboys. They took
the Cowboys forty to forty, and we beat the Cowboys,
and so when you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
The Falcons beat the Bills though exactly.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
But when you're talking about putting points upon, we can
score points against the Green Bay Packers, no doubt.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
In my mind.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
The question is can you stop them from scoring. I
don't want them to get twenty five points. I want
them to be around eighteen nineteen points and we outscored them.
That seems to be the formula to me. You got
to be able to outscore this opponent and limit some
of the production they do off As far as points
of concern.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
I watched Jordan Love in college. I did one of
his games when he was at Utah State. I'll be honest,
I'm surprised he's been this good. I'm also amazed you
mentioned Brett farr. If it went from Farv to Aaron
Rodgers to Jordan Love. When all is said and done,
they may have three Hall of Fame quarterbacks in succession.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
That's astounding.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
I told Jordan Love about two years ago when I
saw him we were doing a baseball game. I told him,
I said, look by your time with Aaron Rodgers and
then when you have a chance to do your thing,
do you think because you're that good.
Speaker 6 (41:31):
They changed quarterbacks about as often as the Steel has
changed coaches.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
There you go, Panthers up to Green Bay. How does
it go?
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Lombardi certain magic still lingers on the very name. Yeah,
QOP NFL films, Get hyped, get jazzed. If you're a
Panther fan heading up there. The cheese curds are good
in Wisconsin.
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