Panthers Post Game | November 9, 2025

This week on the Panthers Post Game show, Jim, J-Stew and Eugene recap the Panthers week 10 loss to the Saints, hear from coach Canales and so much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Now to Chim Sook with the Panthers postgame show exclusively
on the Carolina Panthers Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
All Right, Panthers unfortunately come back home after a big
win last week on the road at Green Bay and
fall flat, losing to the New Orleans Saints by score
of seventeen to seven.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Jimzochi Eugene Robinson with you and Eugene.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
People were excited, they were looking forward to what was
going to happen today and unfortunately just were unable to
follow up with the momentum they had last week. Tyler Shuck,
the rookie quarterback for the Saints, making his second NFL start,
nineteen out of twenty seven two hundred and eighty two yards,
had two touchdowns in the game. Alvin Kamara runs for

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eighty three yards, Chris Olave five catches one hundred and
four yards and a touchdown for New Orleans. Meanwhile, for
the Panthers, tried to run ric O'Donnell eighteen carries fifty
three yards, did have the one receiving one rushing touchdown,
whether Bryce Young one hundred and twenty four yards passing,
had the one interception with sack two times and tenor
Ron McMillan had five catches sixty yards, but Eugene the

(01:12):
opening drive they ended up getting a touchdown and after
that nothing the rest of the way. In fact, they
were helped out along the way by roughing the quarterback penalty.
If not for that, Panthers may not have scored any
points in this game.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
We don't have a mic for Eugene.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, testing one to okay, good. What's kind of confusing
to me? Like when I'm looking defensively where the you know,
Schuck was doing his thing back there, I thought we
missed opportunities for sacks. I thought we missed opportunities for
to get the guy on the ground, you know, he
escapes and he as I'm making his miraculous play, or
throwing the ball open to someone who finally comes open.

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And I thought that we're going to even put even
more pressure on the quarterback. But it never seemed to materialize.
It seemed like we were behind the eight ball. And
I really believe as the game got going as a progress,
it looked like shut got really comfortable, comfortable.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Back there in the pocket.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
I'm like, dude, you just got finished disturbing Jordan Love's
groove out there and you need to do the exact
same thing. Get people in his face and get him uncomfortable,
you know, make him throw that hard throw off. And
so the sadpoint it is like we had opportunity, but
it just seemed like somebody stole the Panthers because the

(02:27):
guys I saw last week were not the same guys
I saw this week.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Josh that you were there obviously watching it from start
to finish. What were you seeing? Start with the defense
first of all, I pick up where Eugenia left off,
and then tell us what you thought about the offense today.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Yeah, you know, honestly, I think the defense did enough.
You know, offense. As an offensive guy, you watch your
defense go out there, you give us some explosive plays.
You know, Shot did a good job of extending some
you know that first that first throw to his tight
end Johnson right across them, right down the middle, that
was all him him, He extended to play. We had

(03:02):
him right there wrapped up for a for a potential sack,
and he escaped the pocket. And you talk about comfortability,
I think you have a play like that to start
the game off with. You get comfortable real quick, right,
and especially if you are able to escape and and
and deliver a throw like he did. That's all the
confidence a young kid needs is, you know, an introduction

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to what it feels like to be pressed on the
pass play, which is, you know, something hard for a
young guy to do. Let him, you know, let alone,
you know, a starting quarterback in his league. You have
to keep your eyes down field. He was doing that
throughout the whole course of his game and having his
eyes down the field while he's trying to escape the pocket,
looking at his guys, throwing his guys open. I look

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at you know, the touchdown or know the the field
goal drive that they had where he looked off Trevin
Wallace and delivered it right across the field, right right
across the middle of the field to his tie in.
You know, those are things that you see a veteran
quarterback does. He played with He played well with his
eyes and getting guys to move out of places to

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where he can deliver a nice clean throw. So he
played it. I think it was you know, our defense
did a good job against a Saints offense that we
didn't respect coming into this game because of the rookie quarterback.
And I think that they played a pretty good game offensively,
who we need some work yeah, and and and it

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needs to be we we we They made us one dimensional.
Their game plan was we're gonna take away the run.
We're going to go all in on stopping Rigo Dado
and company. And they did that. It didn't look like
the Carolina Panthers from weeks weeks ago, where we were
able to gash guys with the five yards of seven

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yards and then hit an explosive. That's what was That
was the name of our offense. Today Canelas got challenged
and I I think we were able to deliver on
some throws. You know, typically you see you know, uh,
you see our you see our you see Bryce capable
of making those precision throws, and today they were thrown

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behind guys, they were thrown a little bit out in
front of them, and just wasn't really on the money.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
And we got so off schedule. Yeah, so so off schedule.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
The refs were giving us, they were trying to give
us opportunities to get in this game. Roughing the passer
was that a roughing impasser and we couldn't we couldn't capitalize.
I think that was just the more disappointing thing was
we couldn't capitalize on anything today. You know, we start
the game off on the offense, your twelve year twelve

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play drift, and we marched down there. We looked like
a team that knows what they're doing. And then next thing,
you know, we get those three plays and outs and
that takes the win out of yourself.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
And I wanted to see the ball stretch down the
field more. I wanted to see the ball go to
eighteen twenty yards down the field. And I didn't see
that as much. I saw a little bit more laterally.
I saw some some checkdowns and checkdowns that didn't get
you anything.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
There was no currency, you know, getting because you.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Two and you throw a one yard pass.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
That's an excusable day.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Actually, he had Trimble open and open behind right behind
the linebackers, and I think it comes to the confidence,
right can I throw this ball over the linebacker row?

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Right?

Speaker 5 (06:26):
A lot of guys don't feel comfortable doing that. And
I don't know, there's just we were out of sync,
we were out of rhythm, whatever you want to call it.
The Carolina Panthers offense today didn't do enough to give
themselves a fighting chance to win this game.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Eugene and I were watching the third quarter together and uh,
he said, we keep throwing this out route, we keep
throwing this out rod, they're gonna start shooting at that's
where they got the interception.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
And we just kept going back to.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
The well of that that play exactly, and I said, typically,
as a free safety, what I see if you go
ahead and you throw two or three plays this kind
of same play, that means you setting up my corner,
you're setting somebody up. And I'm like, okay, I'm gonna
tell you right now. I'm gonna tell my corner jump
the route. If they throw out row jumped around, I'll
get over the top of you. And if they do
out and up or something like that, I'm gonna cover

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a deep. But I want you to jump the route
because they're just looking to go ahead and pick up
a first down and they're not trying to stretch the field.
And third down and six, third down and seven, you
get people at the sticks just jumped a round and
when that happens, that's what happens.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Get an interception. And now it changed the entire tide
of the game.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
What look like gonna be something for the Carolina Panthers
that there's nothing there at all, and now you.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Got to start all over again.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
And so from that standpoint, now I wanted to talk
about the play with Olave and Jase Horn because they're
down the.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Field and most people will look talking about, hey.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Maybe that's passing the fairs office and the affairs.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's not because what he's chosen to do is as he's.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Running down the field, he's facing him directly, and so
the balls over the top of his head.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
So what he has to do is to look at it.
He has to lean to look and you're.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Gonna easily get yourself out of position. Typically when you're
in the red zone that happens, it's not a bad thing.
But when it's down the field, what I tell you guys,
the technique is turn your back to him, screen them off,
and run with them and lean into him with your
backing to him, and that way you can play the ball,
and that way you can also shield him.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
But if not, if you do the opposite, you have
the run.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
The risk of falling down, or even if you push
you slightly, you can get off schedule and get out
of the way. And that happened in that play and
it was an easy touchdown. But because it was a
different technique that he decided to employ, just.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Great players and John think I would refer to here.
Sometimes the other team's quarterback, Shuck did some good things.
So give them credit for the good things they did.
But for the Panthers, disappointing when you go into Green Bay,
win at one of the toughest places, come home against
the team with the worst record in the NFL, and
lose at home.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
And the problem here is still is that you don't
validate the win that you had in Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
All that goes out the window. Now you don't validate that.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
And I thought that you come in here, you're like, hey,
you validate this by just being dominant.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Now you want to stack the games, the games that
you're favored in. You want to basically earn that right.
You know, we were favored going into this game, the
first time that Carolina has been favored in the game.
And I don't know how long, but you have to
earn that right, yes, And this was one of those
games that we were expecting Carolina Panthers to go out
there and win a game that's very winnable and a

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game that you're supposed to win, exactly. This is a
division opponent though, so for fans that are listening the Saints,
they were one and eight coming in here, but they
did not care about the fact that they were one
in eight. I listened to a press conference and Cam
Jordan was talking about, you know, our record doesn't show
our energy. And when I heard that, I kind of
thought to myself, well, I hope the Carolina Panthers know this,

(09:48):
because as you ass you know, when you come into
a division opponent, there's a little bit extra sauce absolutely
that you have going into these games because you get
to play them twice a year, right, and so this
is there. This is a lost opportunity for many reasons
that being in a division game, this being this opportunity

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to stack and then also too to be able to
prove to yourself that you are a good team. And
the offense today did not prove that. I think the
defense did enough to They scored seventeen points, and they
really could have if they were If the Saints were
any good, they should have scored probably thirty exactly right.
But they aren't that good and they and I think

(10:33):
our defense did a good job of making sure of
that and the best of their ability. As far as
you know, time and possession. You know, we got beat
in that, I'm pretty sure didn't we Yeah, we did.
We got beat.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
Points obviously, we got to beat conversions, we got beat
you know, we got beat in every single category. And
so that to me is just the most disappointing thing
coming out of this game is you didn't get to
prove to yourself that you can stack games and that
you can be a contender.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
They had two hundred and sixty six yards passing. We
had one O two that had one hundred and twenty
two yards rushing. We had seventy three yards rushing. They
were somewhere around forty eight percent efficiency. We had thirty
three third down percent efficiency. They were two for three
on fourth down. We were zero four one on fourth down.
Time of possession thirty three twenty one to twenty six

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thirty nine.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
And so they really control things, and it felt that way.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
It felt even when we had the block of not
the muff the field goal a tip, then we get
the ball back. Even then when we got that right,
we have a jet sweep that goes awry, and jac
I mean Jimmy Andrew Horn.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
He ends a fumbling the ball on that jet. Sweet.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Now if he holds on to it, he's probably gonna
score a testdown. You got to be able to capitalize
on that stuff. And I thought, I'm sitting there going
this has to be a safe play, and it is
a safe play.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
But now you up the actors who are playing to
play the.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Fumbled the ball, and so that play so many times
and that throws it out the window, messed it up at.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
The mesh part.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
All right, before we take a time out, let's go
and pause ten seconds for station identification. This is the
Carolina Panthers Radio Network. All right, We're gonna have KK
Short joining us when we come back out of break
seventeen seven.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
It was the Saints winning over the Panthers today.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Much more to come as we continue on the fifth
Quarter Show after this on the Carolina Panthers Radio Network.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
All right, welcome back, and the.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Fifth Quarter Show continues. Jim Zoky along with John that Stewart,
Eugene Robinson now joined by Kwan KK Short joining us
with the great Panthers of all time as well. Got
to do the key pounding drum today as it turns
out that was the highlight of the day, I guess
or whatever them out there for you, KK, But I
appreciate you coming in talking about the game a little bit.
But before we get into what was the experience like
today for you, just kind of enjoying the atmosphere.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
It was great, man, just being around in the facilities
around the organization, just seeing the energy from the fans
and people greeting me. From the lows appearances and everything.
I think it was a great day.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
We're trying before you try to seventeen points per game
usually gets you a win. If the defense does something
like that, uh, team wins and loses as a unit
though as a team, what were your big takeaways what
went wrong today?

Speaker 6 (13:16):
Just consistency, that's I think that's one of the big things.
Is understanding down in distance and where you're out in
the field far as both offense and defense especial teams
as well, and just playing smart, smart football.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
Yeah, KK, you said that the defense were off, you know,
just talking a minute ago. Defense did enough right. Ron
Rivera used to say that phrase. You know that was
a good practice. It was good enough, good enough to
get beat exactly right. And I think That is the
approach that I feel like they need to take from
here on out, because you know your your preparation. You

(13:52):
know it shows in games like this, see it which
you say you're another coach from make another T shirt?
Gets simple, all right, keep it playing right and literally,
I think they just had a better preparation for this
game than we did offensively. I can tell you that
for sure, because we went in there. We went into
this game expecting guys just to lay down. One of

(14:15):
the things the Saints did today better than the teams
in previous weeks was tackle to Mario Davis. You know,
to Mario the Mario has been around for years and
he's still playing at a high level because he's playing smart.
And when you have a guy like that as your leader,
everyone else is gonna fall in suit. The tackling that
they did today was technique, technique. It was fundamental. We

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didn't get beat by anything that was like out of
this world. It wasn't a wild game. It was literally,
We're just gonna do the fundamental things better than you.
We're gonna tackle better than you, we're gonna run better
than you, and we're gonna make sure we throw to
our guys on target. Yeah, no, I think definitely.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
And if you flip this scrip on New Orleans side,
they came in thinking that if we're gonna win a
game is year, we got to start here. And just
seeing that how Carolina has been these up and down
these last couple of weeks, they took advantage of it.
They made they capitalized on the mistakes, and I think
going forward, what Caroline needs to do is understand that

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everybody's coming out to try to get this, you know,
this win column against us. So these guys got to
be more consistent, run downhill technique, sound communication. They got
to do all those things more than enough to win game.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Ok.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Let's take me to the defensive lineman's locker room. When
you're facing a young new quarterback, what are you guys saying,
as you know, as a DC prepares like to either
put pressure maybe four male russ, five man, six man,
what are you guys saying, as a defensive lie, what
we need to do to stop a young quarterback like that?

Speaker 6 (15:50):
I think the most important, one of the most important
things is is creating a new line of scrimmage, whether
it's run game past game, but also understanding that we
can't not.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
I think that this quarterback is not good enough to
be in this league, you know.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
So the onely thing is we respect who were playing against,
but at the end of the day, we got to
make this guy feel uncomfortable in that pocket, whether it's
like a draw, a screen, everything just being its face
and just take little things like that just to get
them off his pivot.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
And when you mean about establishing a new line of scrimmage,
what are you talking about?

Speaker 6 (16:20):
So as a run game and you want to you
want to knock that offensive line back as much as
you could and get off the ball, I mean, get
off the men and you know shit, and make a tackle.
So you know, it's either creating space to make a
TfL or getting this ack.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
We saw the recipe for stopping the Panthers offense.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Load the box.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
You know, rico'dndle's by far the star of this offense
right now. They did that today. Challenge the Panthers to
throw one hundred and twenty four yards passing is all
they had. That's gonna be the recipe moving forward. Are
the Panthers passing wise able to overcome that moving forward?

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Do you think?

Speaker 7 (16:50):
I think so?

Speaker 6 (16:52):
And as the defense and probably Johnathan can it relate
is you always go in with to go is to
make a team one dimensional, and that's what they was
trying to do. And and make the other side, you
know what I'm saying, make a quarterback beat you with
not just runs, with passes as well. So I think
that was the mentality as a defense. But now I
think as Carolina needs to go forward is understanding that

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this is what teams is gonna do. You got a
great running back, you got a great running back system,
and now just put the these wide receivers to use it.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, and at some point when you get challenged like that,
you getting called out right the very beginning of the game,
we're gonna load this box, right, We're gonna get two
guys a gap a gap, right, We're gonna show you
that we're coming for you, and we're gonna we're gonna

(17:40):
end up capitalizing on this at the end, like that
the interception that he threw and had a double mug,
double mug look, and then they backed out and because
they wanted him to throw that out, Well, he's at
some point you become too predictable, right, Oh double mug look.
I gotta get the ball to the edges. No, you
need to go hit that scene, right, you got we got,

(18:01):
We gotta some at some point figure out what our
own weaknesses are. Is look ourselves in the mirror in
this passing game, because if we don't, it's gonna be
a long, long rest of the season. And at some
point you gotta take it personal. Still take it personal.
You fix the flaws.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
So let's take me back as a as a running back.
When we talk about eight man front, everybody's up there, Who.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Do who do you have? Who are you responsible for?

Speaker 5 (18:25):
If you're getting the ball, Oh, I'm responsible. If I'm
getting the ball, you're.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Gonna get the ball. We're gonna run.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
You know, we're gonna run something, maybe a stretch play.
What are you responsible to beat a man out there?

Speaker 5 (18:38):
I'm supposed to beat the guy in the secondary safety, right, secondary.
If I get to the second level, that's all me.
Whoever is at the secondary, whoever's in the secondary, I
gotta beat that guy at that point the ball, right, Yeah.
But if it's past game and I got pass protection,
is it's always my backer to to scan, right, I
got a backer to scan, which means scan is all

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the DBS right run game, if I get to the
second level, the safety, the corner, the backside linebacker, I
got to beat those guys because for the most for
the for the main part, like if I were running
to the right, were running zone to the right, it's
usually a hat for a hat, right, And so if
I cut back, I'm cutting back with the fact that

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the guy that's unblocked, that's my guy.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
That's your guy.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
I gotta make a miss. And what Rico has been
really good at the last several years or set in
several games is making those guys miss. But we haven't
been able to get to that second level this game.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Right.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
We had a couple of opportunities here and there, and
we just haven't been able to get there.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
See, that's what I wanted you to describe. I wanted
to describe it.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Got zone stretch, you gotta cut back, there's a guy
in the zone. Oh my goodness, that's your guy. That's
the guy you gotta beat and make miss. And Rico
has been able to do that. Today, I thought that
the stakes were a lot better because they were able to.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
I think the Mario we were talking earlier the game
in pregame and Mario he's not a slouch. That is
a future Hall of Famer, and so when you get
him one on one, you expect to break that type
of tackle. I don't think so. I don't think so,
big fellaw. And then number ninety nine, young boy, he
ain't young anymore.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Chase Young. Yeah, he's good.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
You know, a backside guy, right, if you're running, you're
running stretch to the right, he's on the backside. You
got to beat that block. You got to beat that
guy if you're going to cut back. And it's hard,
it's hard to to it's hard to win those those matchups.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Right.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Your offensive coordinator puts you in those matchups, he's expecting
you to win those matchups. And maybe that's a thing
that we got to look at. You know, we're going
into our game plan. Who can we not beat and
let's just be.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Real about it, exactly.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
I don't want to put us in those situations to
where we can't beat Chase Young backside.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
All right, OKK, short, we appreciate you joining us, and
it's been a long day. Hopefully the rest of your
day goes better than the last three hours. But always
next week, after the Buffalo game. We thought the same thing,
go to Green Bay get the win. So always a
chance next week, right PRECID you got appreciate you coming
out of here. Thank you, KK Short along with Josh
That Stewart and Eugene Robbins's here for him Pafter Caesars Day,
ice cold was zippy ice based Right here is Charlotte

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to the ice provider at Bank of America Stadium, keeping
your drinks and the Panthers cool all game long.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Zippy ice keeping.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Carolina cool one game at a time. Saints winning over
the Panthers seventeen to seven.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
We'll continue with the fifth quarter.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Show coming up next here from Bank of America Stadium.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
He's the Panthers postgame show line from Bank of America Stadium.

Speaker 8 (21:35):
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Speaker 1 (21:37):
Touchdown, touchdown, Carolina reaction and analysis to today's game with
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Speaker 9 (21:47):
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Speaker 1 (21:51):
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Speaker 2 (22:01):
All right, Panthers come up short at home, seventeen to seven.
Final score, Saints win over Carolina's New Orleans, just their
second win of the year. Now two and eight, Panthers
fall back to five and five on the season. We'll
listen back to a couple of the calls of this game,
some of them highlights, including this one. Rico Daddle opening
drive gives Carolina the seven to nothing lead on a

(22:22):
five yard touchdown run.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
Tight formation.

Speaker 8 (22:26):
Two receivers right, one to the left, weren't again in
motion young The snap hands to Dowtle, finds a whole
right side Rico in per six run. Rico run. He's
been the best running back in the NFL the last
five weeks, and he caps the Panthers opening drive with
a five yard touchdown run.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
The land of milk and honey. The whole day would
go that way, right, No, No, that would be it.
So we'll stop and Pauselet's say that was the whataburger?
What a moment of the game, grolling delicious food for
seventy five years. What a burger just like you like it?
And then it was a slog after that.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
The rest of the way.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
The Panthers would not score the rest of the contest,
including the young quarterback Tyler Schuck.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Here this is their big touchdown. Chris Olave sixty two
yard catch and run.

Speaker 8 (23:10):
Twins to the left. Now Cook's motion slot right. Chuck
is in the shotgun press coverage on the right side.
Here's the snap. Shuck launches deep down the right side.

Speaker 9 (23:20):
Olave, It gets behind Horn, makes the catch and goes
all the way to the end zone. Horn fell down,
Olave kept running, makes the catch for a touchdown and
New Orleans has taken a nine to seven lead.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Makes it ten to seven with that extra point, and
then a couple turnovers when the Panthers were in scoring
range at Jimmy Horn with the fumble off the exchange,
and then Bryce Young This interception as well as a
couple of plays at that doomed the Panthers offense.

Speaker 8 (23:50):
Panthers with the football down ten to seven, thirteen minutes
left in regulation, trips to the right.

Speaker 7 (23:56):
Young is in the gun.

Speaker 8 (23:57):
Saint showed blitz Bryce looking right. It throws right, picked
off by Altte Taylor running it back across the near sideline.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
And Jay Stu. As we would talk about anytime where
you like you're the favorite team, what's the number one thing?
Don't give them extra opportunities, extra possessions those turnovers took
points off the board, likely for the Panthers. I think
the Jimmy hornfubble was at the seventeen yard line. Things
like that you should be able to overcome, but those
bring back a team that you feel like you can beat.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Yeah, I mean, especially when you have turnover on downs,
because those are still turnovers, right, you know, you get
three and out, three and out, you have the punt,
punt punt had we went into this this spell of
missing the ball in three and ounce and we couldn't
find any momentum, no rhythm, whatsoever. You know, after a
really brilliant first drive. I mean, I was thinking to myself, Man,

(24:45):
it's gonna be a long day for the Saints, and
then turn around, it's a long day for everybody. And
you know, you do not want to you lose games
when you turn the ball over, period, because it's a
momentum shifter for the for your opponent. You know, they're
actually taking the ball away from you and you can't
let that happen.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
You know. I know that you said stewed.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Enough to win on defensively seventeen points, absolutely right, but
I know that they're going to be a little bit
more critical when they get into that to the meeting rooms,
when they see the misstackles, when they see the opportunities
that they had to really get us that get them
on the ground, make a tackle for the stop.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
It's right now.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Instead when when you miss a tackle, you give that
line of that running back life. They get better and
stronger as they go, they just do. And so when
you have the opportunity to make those tackles, you gotta
get it. You have to get it. It is not
a thing you say, I'll get the next one. You
got to get that one.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
And those mistackles will come back and haunt you.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Feel like the Panthers were lucky to only be down
three at halftime like they gave by the eyeball Tesseley
didn't look like that. And again we joke like rupping
the Pastor is one of our best plays. That opening
drive included of roughing the Pastor. There was an interception
in the red zone part to that, so this could
have been a shutout on the Panthers offense if not
for that possible situation.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
There absolutely right, and this is when you look at
the film, you want to be really honest with yourself
because ye know when you talk about that, hey, we
got a penalty right there, but guess what, you threw
an interception and and you threw it a dangerous and
a dangerous place where the bos shouldn't have been thrown.
And so when you when you think about that, Bryce
has to be true to himself with like this. You
know what we I got to reprieve on this, there's

(26:29):
no doubt, and that happens in football. But you know,
if it's equal, and I can't have this type of
play because if I do, it's going to set us back.
And only way we're gonna win. A defense can hold
people keep points off the board. But we have to
score points. We have to score points. Until the stud's
part his point, he's saying, hey, we didn't do enough

(26:50):
to score points where this team looked like they should
have looked like we should have ran the ball down there,
throw all day long and that did not happen.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
Yeah, to that point, man, you have to be able
to do more than what's what's obvious. Right, It's obvious
that we have the hottest running back in the NFL,
but everybody else knows that too, And so what the
Saints finally did say, hey, we're going to sell all
the way everybody to run every if he comes out

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of this game with one hundred yards rushing, somebody getting fired.
I'm pretty sure that the conversation in one of those
meeting rooms, right, we've all been there before, where it's like, hey,
they've been able to do x y z, but guess
what we're gonna do x y z to make sure
that they don't do it. And that's what the Saints did.
It's not rocket science. And I just would have really

(27:41):
hoped that we would have been able to connect on
some throws earlier on, because I think that would have
changed the perspective of this game. The miscues, the mistiming
being off of the spot. We have to set him
up for success. I would have loved to see a
little bit more play action, to be honest, get him
out of the pocket running all like in his thin

(28:02):
I think that's his element.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Ex I think the same thing.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
I think he's a better quarterback when he's doing his
thing on the outside.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
More improvisation. I'm like, dude, run go let go e,
you gona go ahead.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
You've been wanted to pass like that longer throw over
the middle to ma when he had to scramble ouse.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
He had to be on the move a little bit
and fill it out the pocket. He didn't. When you're
on the move, you're now trusting yourself. Right, if you're
getting chased, you're saying to yourself, I'm not gonna have
to get tackled. It's up to me to not get tackled.
So now you're in this whole different realm of I
have full control of the situation. I see a guy

(28:39):
wide open, oh, I'm gonna throw a perfect ball because
I trust my I trust the protection because the protection
at this point is me and the guys that are
front and front. But on the move is where we
see him excel the melse In.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
My opinion, yeah, I would love to go ahead and
do some dashes, some some bootlegs, a lot a lot
of things getting him moving move because I think he's
really effective. And when you don't make those passes and
you don't make those connections. When they loaded up the box,
they're saying that the quarterback can't beat me.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
That's what they're.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
Saying, So come matter total disrespect.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
They're saying, look, you can't beat me, Bryce, That's what
they're saying, and now Bryce, you have to prove a role.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
All right, we'll take a time out. Still to come,
we'll hear from Coach Canalis. We'll here for some of
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Speaker 2 (30:57):
Now, before we get back with Eugene and Jonathan Stewart, here,
let's hear the guys and the interview with coach Dave
Kannalis from a couple of moments ago.

Speaker 8 (31:04):
We're joined by Panthers head coach Dave Canalis. Dave offensively.
You guys have been able to move the ball pretty
well all season. How do you diagnose what transpired today?

Speaker 10 (31:15):
Really just a balance the balance of the run game
in the past game, and while we hit a few
things in the past game, we weren't consistent enough to
warrant you know, different looks as they were doing a
pretty good job of playing our runs with their schemes
and loading people up and some of the pressures and
all that. We just we got to be able to
complement that and be a balanced offense. That's where we've
had our most success. And then certainly the turnovers you know,

(31:37):
affected us as well.

Speaker 11 (31:39):
Coach Luke here, we've we've had the ability to the
last couple of times we've had tough losses to bounce back.

Speaker 7 (31:43):
You look at New England and Buffalo. Next week we
go out and play well.

Speaker 11 (31:47):
Kind of what's the message of these guys going into
this week to kind of get it going against Atlanta.

Speaker 10 (31:51):
It's the process. It's during the week. It's making sure
that we capture each day in the intent of the
day to make sure we have a focus group that's
working together to troubleshoot issues and keep pushing our football forward,
and certainly today we didn't do that, and we have
to look look in the mirror tomorrow, watch the film,
and improve on the things that we know we can
improve on.

Speaker 12 (32:11):
Hey, coaches, Jake, Yeah, we know, disappointing day to day,
but I think the Saints did a great job of
stopping Rico, but pass game wise, it never seemed like
we were able to get any kind of sink or rhythm,
anything you can put your finger on today.

Speaker 7 (32:24):
I agree, Jake.

Speaker 10 (32:25):
You know, if I had the answers, you know, I
promise you we're we're going to be, you know, honing
in on those things. But it's you know, it starts
with me and making sure we're putting guys in the
right spot, making sure we're getting Brice rhythmic and the
things that we like, and taking advantage of our one
on one opportunities. And I think that's really what it
came down to, was, you know, we had some one
on one option we didn't hit them, you know, and
we had some nice shots down the field, we didn't

(32:45):
come up with them. And you know, the Saints got
to give them credit. They hit theirs, They hit a couple,
you know, it was three or four that they hit
down the field that really amounted to the change in
the game.

Speaker 8 (32:54):
Dave, I'll leave you with this, just putting the last
two weeks into perspective, we kind of aw what this
team is capable of. We saw today maybe a lack
of consistency, whatever you want to call it. But from
your vantage point, how do you crystallize what we've kind
of seen over the last few weeks.

Speaker 10 (33:12):
Yeah, it's consistency, consistency and the product that we're looking for,
and certainly starts with taking care of the ball. Then
it goes to eliminating explosive plays and capitalizing when we
get our red zone opportunities. We had a huge one
down there after the block field goal, you know where
we ended up recovering the ball because it advanced forward
and you know, to not come away with points on

(33:32):
that drive, you know, it's a missed opportunity. And so
I think for us as a group, you know, just
getting back to that balance offense that we're used to
in defensively taking care of the you know, explosive plays
which we're getting used to here a certain brand of ball,
right and we didn't capture that today.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Dave, appreciate it as always.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Thank you all right, thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Words of coach Dave Canalis, Jay sdu Eugenie. You heard
what the coach had to say. There nothing you didn't expect. Obviously,
consistency a big word. Obviously some missed opportunities in the
pass game, but there really weren't a lot of deep
shots taken. There weren't a lot of those that were
Every game has some, but nothing that really came close
to like, oh that was an almost touchdown or something
to that degree.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
Yeah, I mean just a lot of missed targets. I
look at the one there to exaberly get earlier in
the game and you know, just off target. He was open,
just got gotta put it on him. So I think
it's not fair to say, hey, Bryce, you got to
make those throws right, because you obviously have some Some

(34:33):
of those balls where they were catchable weren't completely on target.
But you know, as a coach you tell your guys
if it touches your hands, catchable, right. So I think
as far as the standard, we got to figure out
what their standard is in the passing game. We know
what the standard is in the run game. You know,
got a hat for a hat blocked the guy in

(34:53):
front of you. Win those matchups. It's no different in
the passing game. You got to win your one on
one matchups. When when your numbers called for a certain formation,
certain time on the field, down in distance and they
give us a certain look, the defense gives us a
certain look. The ball's coming to you, so you should
know that you should be prepared run your route, Crisp,

(35:15):
give give the body language that you're open, so that
way you can, you know, have the ball delivered appropriately.
Now the standard has to be uplifted throughout the week
of practice. You know, we cannot go into this Atlanta
Falcons game and expect a thirty to zero no game

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because they're playing at a different level than they have
been playing throughout this season. Today they lost a close
one in Germany, but you know they're gonna come back
and they're how alert they are. They're gonna be alert
because that's what they know. The time zone switches. They're
gonna be like in this survival mode. So you're gonna

(35:56):
get a wild animal in my opinion, when you're when
you go down to Atlanta, because the one thing they
do have is home field advantage, and so you have
to make up your mind what it is that you
have to bring to the table throughout the week of
preparation to fix what was done today. You miss targets
in the passing game, if it's pressures in your face,

(36:20):
offensive line of what are we doing? Are we communicating
the right protection? Are we getting the ball out on time?
You know, there's so many things that go into this
passing game besides throwing catch, and so I just think
there needs to be a rhythm there.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
You know, don't forget this is a divisional game that's
coming up. When you have a divisional game, throw everything
out the throw the schedule, throw the record, throw it
out the window.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Because we don't like you.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
You don't like us exactly, and it's going to be
a fight. And so the safety that and so when
you go down to Atlanta, hey throw records out the window.
This is a divisional game. And when you win that game,
it comes us like a game and a half. And
this is real critical now because you can't afford to
lose too many more games.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
You gotta go ahead and put your best foot forward.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
And I heard coach Canalis and that when he was
talking to the guys, he said balance. He said we
didn't have a balance attack. What he was saying that
we missed opportunity to throwing the rock because we should
have been able to throw the rock because they were
stopping the run.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
They were stopping to run.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
And so he's looking to say, you know, politically correct,
he is saying, hey, we got to have a balance attack.
I'm just say it plainly, Dude, y'all gotta come up.
If I throw the ball, you know, you gotta get that.
If I throw the ball, body that dude out. If
I throw the ball to you, t Mac, you gotta
go catch this. A can't poss off your hands. You
gotta win this battle. And so that's what I think
he's saying, you know, and he's saying it in the cold,

(37:40):
but we know because if we played with like look,
you know, there's a responsibility from the receiver crew in
in that whole group to go ahead and come up
with plays.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
And a lot of it too, is in the route
running right, run the route to where you give the
presence to the quarterback that it's obvious that you're that
you're getting to a certain spot right you know, you know, Jason,
you know, I look got Travis Kelce best tied end
probably arguably in the National Football League ever. Right, yeah, right,
And the way he runs his routes, they're unorthodox, but

(38:10):
he gives presents that he's gonna be at that spot, right,
I'm gonna be I can, I can be running dilly
dally over here, but I'm gonna be at this spot
and you're gonna feel me be there. There's a lot
of chemistry that comes with that. And and honestly, I
don't know what's happening throughout these weeks of preparation, but
there needs to be some type of like method to

(38:32):
where they're grabbing this chemistry like they had it in
the offseason. They were going off and training together, and
we're talking about, you know, the the opportunity that presented
themselves as being able to like have that chemistry. We
didn't see it today. We didn't see it in the
deep passes. The opportunities that we did have besides the
one where he was scrambling, And I think maybe that

(38:54):
might be part of the sauce. Get this this, get
Bryce out there, out of that, out of that pocket.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Gives something else. You have to plan for it.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
You had to do it too anyways, Right, yep.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
If you're not just in the pocket, if you're scared,
even if you just do a rollout whatever, you're gonna
do some kind of bootleg or something like that. Even
if it doesn't work. The team now has to be
accountable confectively to think about. That's another thing that could
be coming back later in the game.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
You know the they did a good job, you know
the Saints, uh number seven.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Hill.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
Yeah, so they brought him in throughout the course of
the game, just sprinkled him in there simply.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
They always do year just to keep.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
The defense honest. Eventually they're gonna dial with something up
that's gonna be super important. And sure enough they did.
They the last drive there when they milk the clock
and it was a death bot a thousand cuts. He
was in the backfield. I was like, oh man, here
it comes. They're gonna drain the clock out because they
they you have to prepare for the past, you have

(39:55):
to prepare for the keep you the r p O
is is special with him because it's been sp and
shout out to Kellen Moore for being a guy that
understood what he was coming into. Yeah, that works. I'm
gonna keep keep that, Yeah, Alvin Kamara, Oh that works.
I'm gonna keep that. You're being getting hit. Why we're

(40:17):
not gonna let you get hit anymore. Like there's so
many things that he said, I'm gonna keep, but we're
gonna do certain things differently. Right, But the Taysom Hill
that approach just speaks volumes to the coach that they
have and Kellen Moore and just the energy. This is
a game that they were not favored in, and rightfully so,

(40:40):
but they totally ignored it and treated his game like
it was a ribery game in a division game.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
You know. I thought someone who tried to offer a
spark was each end.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
I thought that he ran the ball his return game
was he gives me the feeling that man like he's
about to break something, like something's about to go ahead
and explode.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
He's about to break something.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
And I thought that that could have been one of
the cattalysts we needed because one time he crossed there
nearly the past over the fifty yard line. But he
has this thing about him that I think he's gonna
go and break it. And I thought that he would
be a catalyst and that we could go ahead and
you know spark off that if you.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
Will, it'd be nice to see him in a third
down package.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, because again, it gives him something to think about.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
And he's earned it, right reps wise, I mean he's
he's earned when he's out on the field, like.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
He runs hard with the football. Yeah, all right, he's elusive.
I like him.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Well, I know the Panther fans are disappointed. I think
both sets of fans are disappointed because the Saints had
the first pick in the draft until today, so both
they're part thing. Grank We're gonna win three four games
now and I have that first pick of the draft.
We'll take a time out. We'll hear from Panthers safety
Nick Scott. We'll hear from the guys in the booth
of their final thoughts. As we continue in the aftermath
of a seventeen to seven Panthers lost at Bank of
America Stadium.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
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this time with Panthers safety Nick Scott joining the guys upstairs.

Speaker 8 (42:16):
We're joined by Panthers safety Nick Scott. Nick, and is
here from your standpoint just the last two weeks, how
do you compartmentalize it?

Speaker 13 (42:28):
Yeah, I mean just part of being a pro is
just separating each week, taking the mistakes and learn from him.

Speaker 7 (42:34):
That was our goal.

Speaker 13 (42:35):
Even though we came out would win from Green Bay,
we wanted to correct some things and come into this
game with a lot of fire and a lot of effort.
Would it be in a division game? Obviously it didn't
go the way we wanted to, but there's still a
lot of things that we did good. And then like
any game, there's some things we got to clean up.

Speaker 12 (42:52):
And Nick Jake delom here just talk about defensively gave up.
We gave up only seventeen points and the fence really
did a good job. The Saints had a couple of
plays and es. It's on scramble type drill. What's the
whole mindset? And in that regard with a young kid
like that that you don't have all that film on
in regards to those type of plays.

Speaker 13 (43:12):
Yeah, I mean, first foremost credit to him, and you know,
obviously they got to win. I just think defense as
a whole, we can clean up a whole bunch of things,
and the main thing that jumps out is just as
eliminating explosive plays. That's that's always going to be the
story with us. I mean, we got some great guys
up front. We do a great job rallying and tackling
things like that, but it's just those one offs. It's

(43:33):
those one plays where we got to stay locked in
and making sure we're not letting the ball over our
head and we're finishing on tackles and stuff like that. Otherwise,
you know, week to week, I think everybody can expect
this this defense to play hard, be extremely physical, and
and shut down the run game. So yeah, moving forward,
we're just gonna see, hey, how can we eliminate explosives
and win our one on ones.

Speaker 7 (43:54):
Hey Nick Luke here, just.

Speaker 11 (43:57):
Want to talk a little bit about Nick Score, just
a young guy that's come in and we just we
feel him during the game he's making plays. Just kind
of talk about the energy that he plays with and
him coming in as young guy and making an impact
as the season progressed.

Speaker 13 (44:09):
Yeah, I mean, the best thing about Nick is just
he's doing a great job of things that you can't coach,
like effort and just his ability to be extremely physical,
his speed, all that stuff. All those things he does naturally.
He's got a very high motor and then obviously he's
got some great technique as well. So he's been a
huge spark for us on this defense, playing really well

(44:31):
at a really high level, and it helps us at
all levels. I mean, the way he triggers in the
run game, in the past game, it helps the second
level and it helps the dvs as well. So huge
shout out to him. He's the type of guy and
I know he's gonna be watching this film and looking
for what he can do better. And that's the expectation
whether you're an old guy or a young guy in

(44:52):
this league. So credit to him, and we're excited to
see him keep improving.

Speaker 7 (44:57):
Nick. Appreciate you joining us. Thank you, Yeah, no problem,
thank you. Thanks Nick.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
You know one thing Nick was talking about that I
think Jack Delane asks him about when the quarterback scrambles.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
What do you do?

Speaker 4 (45:07):
What the defense and secondary particularly are told the plaster
you find a guy and you stick with them, and
then you trail him, and don't you resist the urge
to look back at the quarterback, because if you look
back at the quarterback, the quarterback can move you while
he's while he's moving. There was a play like you
mentioned as the quarterback was kind of scrambling a little bit.
He moved Wallace to the right hand side and threw

(45:28):
the ball to tight end to the left hand side.
So when you are plastering man, you find a guy
and you stay with him, even if the ball has
to hit you in the back, you stay with.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
Him because one of the things you're taught to do too,
right is your eyes have.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
To be glued to the hip, yep, right to his hip.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
If your eyes are not at the hip, you will
absolutely get lost. And I think you know, looking at
the stat line here, you know the plays, the big
the big plays you know to Jaran and Chris Alava,
amount of for one hundred and fourteen yards right, you
take those hundred and fourteen yards away and the Saints

(46:06):
are exactly who.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
We think they are, right exactly.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
There's a team that have you know some they try hard.
They they have energy, but they're not a good team.
And I hope this rings alarm for the for the
Carolina Panthers offense. I'm gonna I don't want to talk
about the defense, and I said, and I said, one
hundred and fourteen yards because those were two plays ultimately
that changed the trajectory of exect their performance. And yes,

(46:32):
they need to be held accountable to that, and Nick
Scott stated that, but this comes down this is all
on the offense. This is an offensive performance that should
have been able to stack on the weeks prior. You know,
you look at last week and you say, oh, the
Green Bay Packer game. You know, we were able to
win a gritty, ugly game, and the passing game was

(46:53):
so so we had one hundred yards passing last week,
two hundred two yards passing last week. You know, think
it is time for us to actually start putting in
question what are we doing on our past game? How
are we going to rise above the nonsense that we're
having to deal with on meaningful games? We have an
opportunity as an organization to play meaningful football December January.

(47:19):
That's what the fans need, That's what the fans deserve.
What are we going to do to make sure we
preserve that?

Speaker 2 (47:25):
And when you score seven points, those two plays you
mentioned defensively stand out because normally be like you remember
them in the course of the game, but you score
twenty whatever points.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
So you don't think of it.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Those are huge when it's like, you know, there's no
margins for the defense in a game where you only
score seven points, So it does make a lot of
pressure on the defense to keep the scoring even closer
than that. All right, when we come back, we'll hear
the final thoughts on the guys in the booth next
seventeen to seven the final scores.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
The Panthers lose at.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Home to New Orleans, and we are back fifth quarter
show rolling on Jims, Okie Low and Johnthan Stewart. You
Gene Robinson say thanks to KK short for stop by earlier. Unfortunately,
Panthers fall to five and five, losing to New Orleans
seventeen to seven. US hear from a Luke and Jake
and Anisha and what they had to say about it.

Speaker 8 (48:09):
This one was a tough one given what happened last week.
The Panthers fall to the Saints seventeen to seven. New
Orleans was a one win team entering play. Panthers got
off to a good start, scored on their opening drive,
and then nothing from that point on. It was all Saints,
But it wasn't for a lack of opportunities in a

(48:29):
Shroff Jake Delome, Luke Kickley Luke. There was such a
high with the way the Panthers won at Lambeau against
one of the NFL's best, and then you almost feel
on the opposite side of that, this was a humbling
loss to let's be frank, maybe the NFL's worst.

Speaker 7 (48:47):
Yeah, and it's just early early in the game, you know.

Speaker 11 (48:49):
On the defense side of the ball, I thought we
played well, and we've talked about it a million times
a day already. The big plays killed us, the lack
of us making plays when they made the plays, when
we didn't make the plays. So the long play to
Juwan Johnson, we've talked about that quite a bit. I
just felt on defense, I think we played well for
the most part, But on offense, I just didn't feel
like there was really any rhythm. We couldn't get the

(49:10):
run game going. Even some of the completions that we
had were such difficult catches. It looked like Bryce and
the receivers maybe weren't quite on the same page like
we've seen him over the course of the year. And
I think, really what it comes down to is we've
seen that we need to make more plays in the
passing game. We can't lean on that run game because
eventually that run game is gonna kind of go away.

Speaker 7 (49:28):
They stacked the box. They played five big guys.

Speaker 11 (49:31):
On the line of scrimmage, Pete Warner and Tomario Davis,
our veteran downhill, physical linebackers that love the run game,
and we need some guys to step on the outside
other than t Mac to help us, to help us
stretch that defense and get them out of those eight
man fronts and put ourselves in position to be able
to run the ball and throw the ball in play action.
So I think what it showed us today is we

(49:52):
need to do everything right to win football games. And
we had some areas where where we weren't quite as
good as we've been over the past couple weeks.

Speaker 8 (49:59):
Jake this Panther team, and Dave Canalis admitted this early
in the week. He kind of felt, hey, they have
not played their best football and we've been able to
overcome mistakes in games and win those games. Today they
compounded and it was the nature of them turnovers on
back to back plays. You get Nick Scrton who comes
up with a big sack on fourth down, and hell,

(50:21):
the Panthers look like they have an opportunity, but then
give it right back. There were chances in this game,
you know, to put the Saints away to win the game,
despite not even playing to probably your C level effort,
and they just didn't do that.

Speaker 12 (50:39):
Yeah, we didn't do it. And you think about it,
special teams, we get a block field goal, but yet
we get the ball back because of a touching by
the Saints because they passed a line of scrimmage. So
we get new life and then we get a turnover
on it just you know, zone in the rad zone
and you just don't know that it's it wasn't like
it was a physical turnover.

Speaker 7 (51:00):
What I mean by somebody punched the ball out or
it's a good hit.

Speaker 12 (51:03):
It was a was it supposed to be a handoff
on the jet suite, But where was the miscommunication?

Speaker 7 (51:08):
We don't know that yet.

Speaker 12 (51:09):
It's like those are the things that frustrated me the
most today is that we had opportunities. They were there,
and this Saints team, give them credit. They kept battling.
And the couple of plays they make offensively is when
the quarterback has to kind of step up and it's
extended plays and we lose our coverage. We lose our
ability to cover in that situation. And really and truly

(51:31):
both times were Jawan Johnson.

Speaker 8 (51:34):
And to your point, to further it, I mean the
Saints billed out the Panthers a couple of rough in
the passer penalty to extend drives. One negated in New
Orleans interception, the other was on a third down incomplete
pass and you know you said it might have been
a questionable call. So let's end on this, Luke. How

(51:55):
do you compartmentalize what we've seen in the last two weeks.
What does that tell you?

Speaker 11 (51:59):
I think it tells us we're We're still just looking
for consistency. But I think the one thing that we
have shown over the course of this year is the
ability to refocus and go play the next week and
not have something hang over our heads. You saw it
against New England. We came back the next week, played
really well. Same thing after Buffalo gets spanked by Buffalo
at home. Go beat Green Bay. Same thing. Now, this week,

(52:20):
we didn't play as well as we wanted to. We
get an opportunity to go on the road against an
Atlanta team on the road down in Atlanta. This is
a great opportunity for our team to say, hey, this
is just another bump in the road that we wish
we would have played played better, a winnable game. But
we've shown the ability to bounce back after a tough loss.

Speaker 12 (52:37):
I agree with you there. And now one thing I
will say, I know Atlanta's in the air. They're flying
back from Germany right now. They had to play a
fifth quarter. I'm sure that was a physical game with
Jonathan Taylor running thirty two times.

Speaker 7 (52:49):
We embarrassed them last month. I mean they got total
to zero. Yeah, they got embarrassed.

Speaker 12 (52:55):
This pride in the NFL and that team at home,
they're gonna wanna, you know.

Speaker 7 (53:03):
Try to put one up and put one on us.

Speaker 12 (53:04):
And I guess the good thing is that we got
embarrassed today at home, so we're gonna have to address that.

Speaker 7 (53:09):
But it's a yeah, it's a downer, man, it's a downer.
It's a you're waiting for that.

Speaker 12 (53:16):
Okay, we've turned the page, and I think I think
the page is in the air, and I think we're
turning it. I just don't know if it's it's we've
completely turned it over.

Speaker 8 (53:25):
Yeah, it's been an interesting couple of weeks where I
think after last week, we all felt looking at the Saints,
looking at their moves and their transactions. This week this
would be one. Hey, Panthers come out, can win this game,
maybe even be dominant. It certainly felt that way after
the first drive, and then things never quite materialized. So

(53:46):
Panthers back at five hundred. They go to Atlanta next week,
and if you recall, that's where Bryce Young in Week
eighteen of last year played the best game of his career.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
I don't tell the Atlanta falconstad to make them again.
So we are thirty to nothing.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
The Panthers did win on that particular game Atlanta, only
three and six. Let's paut in seconds for station identification.
You're listening on the Carolina Panthers radio network. All right,
we'll take a quick time out. Here are two more
segments to go as we continue on the fifth Quarter Show,
seventeen to seven Panthers fall at home today to the
New Orleans Saints.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Back to Chim Sulk live from Bank of America Citi
with the Panthers postgame show exclusively on the Carolina Panthers
Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Panthers don't get the win, but win or lose, as
they did say seventeen seventh of New Lens. We always
pick our hardest working player of the game, and it's
brought to you by Sunbelt Reynolds, official rental equipment partner
of the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
It's kind of effort award, but you can make it
whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Whoever stood out gave some above and beyond today And Eugene,
who did you say that?

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Maybe cut your rye man.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
I'm fine at hard pressed to go ahead and pick somebody,
but it would have to be someone on the defense.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
If I'm gonna pick some money, and I'm gonna have
to go with Merrick.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
Yeah, Mark is flying around. He's been fine around for he's.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Been playing well, you know, communicating well too, and so
I don't have to go with Mirrick.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
If I'm gonna pick some money, I'm gonna go with
Merrick as well.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Sounds like you are, Jay stew Yeah, Merrick, I'm gonna
throw in one though, because you know, we've been really
good on special teams this year, right, Sam Martin today
averaged fifty one yards upon at a fifty nine yard
or two inside the twenty and did back them up
a couple of times in this game. So special teams
have been kind of a I'd say the only exception
was New England. But other than that, though, the special
teams have been really good this year. So what happens

(55:35):
an honorable mention?

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Honorable mention not gonna put eat and also in that category, yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
Yeah, well done, guys. And Derek Brown's always gonna be Derek.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Brown is just a standing Yeah, just let it be understood.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
Derek Brown, he actually gives, He actually gives the word
away the guys Like here, there's a statue of me.
It's called the hardest working player.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
You know, when I was thinking about officively, because we've
been talking about the the lack of offense and balance
and whatnot. Uh, and I'm with Jonathan, I'm like, play
actional first down.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
If you're gonna load the box, play actional first down.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
And another thing I would end up doing besides moving
Bryce out of the pocket is I would take shots
down the field.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
You don't know as a as.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
A safety, when you're taking a shot down the field,
you're gonna get the free safety's attention and the corner's attention.
And especially if somebody's like Jimmy Horn just flying down
the field, even if nothing materializes of that, you put
them on notice that I'm gonna throw the ball down
the field whether you like.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
It or not.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
And if you take two or three shots throughout the game,
I'm telling you you're putting the secondary on notice. And
now you're not, you're not just jumping up there in
that box. You gotta you gotta play for the past too.
So I would add taking shots down.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
The field early early, honest. Yep.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Do you guys have a play or two as far
as a favorite pass play out of play action when
they're going loaded box run happy at the expectation, Do
you want a quick hitter or what what is like
one of the better passing play routes to make out
of a play action.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
A little waggle right, you know, if if it's you know,
you know, a fake zone outside to the right, and
then maybe it throw a little delayed delayed drag right,
so you know you have the tight end, you know,
staying in presenting as a bocker, and then he slips out.
We used to do that all the time with Greg,

(57:21):
and Greg would be wide open and it.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Was like a it was literally like a get out
of jail.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
Yeah, and it was part of it, right, It's like,
I mean, he gets out and he's wide open in
the flat and it's either a five yard game or
a fifteen yard game. And I think those are you know,
you're get out of jail free cards. You got to
figure out what those are for this offense because to me,
I don't see when like when we are in those pickles,

(57:47):
I don't know what we're going to do, and I
don't know what we're going to do besides run the
ball to be successful. I know who we can go
to as far as the guy that presents an opportunity
to catch the ball and secure the catch, and that
to me is t Mac. But I don't know what
else there is that I am confident in when it
comes out.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
And if that blitzen and they're getting people in your face.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
The other thing I thought will always work well is
a screen to the running back because the running half
back has to go ahead and engage a little bit
and then a little something quick to them because take.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
It to the running back that happened released. Oh yes,
so something the boss quick. I love.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
I love having a tight end because when the tight
end is blocking you, you're engaged. I mean, I gotta
you know, I just can't if you block me. I
gotta go ahead and stay there. I gotta be there
to try to get up to my gap. But when
he releases, that's diabolical right there. And so those players
like that where you get a slip by the tight
end finding himself out after he's blocked or running back

(58:47):
like that, that's some golden that's some gold right there.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
I think that's an opportunity. If I'm if i'm this week,
I'm going in reassessing. I know they do this whole
reassessing thing every four games, but I'm said, reassessing every
game ETN third down package. I need to see it
because what that does. It keeps an offense, keeps a
defense honest, and it puts wrinkles into your offense when

(59:11):
he comes in the game. Now the defense has to say, okay,
y'all see ETN. Just came into the game. I need
some O. We need to check out of this right now.
You start checking, you might not be running a screen
to him. You might be doing nothing with him.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
He's in the game. He's in the game, right, you know.
And if you if you line him up on a linebacker,
I think he wins that. He wins.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
He wins that every time. I think he's gonna win
that battle on the linebacker too. So you can sneak
him in the game and have an ETN package and
the Stude's right. Guess what all the secondaries go like this, Hey,
wait a minute, Wait a minute. Hey, he's in the game.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
He's in the game. Hey, we gotta make sure we
take it again.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
You can watch it from the box and have they
react and then decide when to come back and actually
make a play with him.

Speaker 7 (59:50):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
And you can use them, you know, to fake the ball.
But I definitely I'm adding Jimmy Horn running down the field.
I wanted somebody like a ted gun running down.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
The field just to go to keeping me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Honest, you're gonna get the free safety in the corner
running for their lives on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Have we thrown to him like that? This year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
No, Yeah, that's a no, even if it's a long
foul ball, just to you know, put that out there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
You just put it out there. You put that out undereather,
set the deck. The secondary has to respect that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Ye, get that cheated out of the garage.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
You know that's right. Only drive on once a week,
man Port, drive.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
It once a week on Sundays, alight. One more segment ago,
then we'll say goodbye. Seventeen seven. The final score. Panthers
fallow to New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Eric Fiddleman, we saw him also there, Kristin Balboni on
the sidelines. Abe Jason Hutchinson, hut right there, he's here
to the end today. Nice I said that one. Yes,
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all right, last thought from the crew here before we
had out seventeen seven Saints win over the Panthers. Next
week another division game, go on the road against the Atlanta team.
The Panthers beat thirty to nothing. That sounds good. Of
course they're gonna be mad about it. They're coming back
from Berlin this week. You guys, what do you think
about a long way out on this one, but possibilities

(01:01:58):
of things with Atlanta once again, whatever you.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Do, whatever you do, do not turn on that that
game footage that you had against Atlanta at home. You
go and you self scout, you self scout this week
and you make sure you're honest with the details. You
come into work tomorrow and you tell these guys by Wednesday.

(01:02:24):
You have to have a different mindset, and that mindset
has to be when they are when they are on
the ground, you stump them on the ground. The offense
today they let them off the hook. They let the
Saints off the hook. You know, the moment that we
started this game off and we had we executed to

(01:02:45):
perfection the things that were dialed in as far as
our pre you know, script script, our script, right. You know,
everybody has a plan until you get hit in the mouth.
You got to hit those guys in the mouth first,
and we did that. You got to keep hitting them,
keep hitting them, keep pounding these games. They have to
learn that they these these moments. You know. I heard

(01:03:07):
of Mike Jack talking an interview about whether or not
he believes in rivalries, and he said, no, how can
you have a rivalry in the NFL? And it's like,
you know, one guy might play for a team this
week and then he's on your roster the next week,
and I gotta get all that. But the emblem, the logo.
You have to find whatever it is that hurts so

(01:03:30):
deeply in you from your personal experience your personal life,
whatever it is. You have to find that pain and
you have to bring it to the forefront as far
as these games go. To find the hate, to find
the meaning behind these games, because if it doesn't mean
anything more to you, that's a problem. Because technically these
games mean two games, so they are more meaningful than

(01:03:53):
any other game that you play outside of the division.
So the fact that you get a chance to go
out there and beat Atlanta twice, that should be what
your what your mindset is, we beat Atlanta twice this year,
they can't talk to us, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
And then don't forget you got b Jonn Robinson man
back there, dude, that dude was the base man. If
I'm you know, you gotta have all hands on deck
to stop that dude. Yeah, there ain't no joke. He's
that good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
He's that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
But then Drake London in the receiving game.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Is having his career exactly, So I mean, this is
no picnicking. Hey, don't worry about what you did. You
know four or five weeks ago, get some thirty nothing
thrown out the window because that's not the same team
and they're gonna be pol that you put thirty on
them with nothing, or they're.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Looking for revenge that they lost in Germany and Germany.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Yeah, they went all the way over there to lose.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
So probably the best three and six team in the NFL. Yeah,
I'm telling their talent.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Is so much better than three and six.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
It's it's actually stunning that that's what they're righting, you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Know that going into it as the Carolina Panther. Hey, man,
it's in the three or six boto.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
All right, Jasetre, thank you man, I appreciate you out
great stuff. Thanks all the crew here and we'll talk
to you next week. Panthers lose at home to New
Orleans seventeen seven at Atlanta coming up next Sunday.

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