Patriots Catch-22 4/2: Latest Draft Takes, NFL League Meetings, Roster Building

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Lazar and Alex bar.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Blazar and Lazarre.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our bar Gas.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars. If they were
going to take genty and we were, you know, to
come in here the next day and talk about it
after you're you know, done, just getting in your fields.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I this is It's always tough for me because I
have I have my my genuine hatred towards running backs.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Which han't which you shouldn't, but okay, but.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
It's always difficult for me when it comes to the
draft because I do genuinely like some of the running
backs in every draft, as you know, like I, I
do genuinely like them, like I genuinely liked to be
John Robinson coming out. You watch that tape and you're
it's undeniable that he's a talented guy. But then the
nerd in me fights against the film guy and me,

(01:11):
and it's just like an internal conflict of.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Always going to what film do I no offense to Matt.
I don't even know that that was the best quote
last week from genty because I think somebody said, like,
how disappointed would you be? And I said, my biggest
disappointment would be I'm probably not gonna get to see
the look on your face when the pick comes in.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
It's funny because we've talked a little bit about this
deuce and I off the air, we find out maybe
ten seconds before the TV goes yeah, right, And so
my live reaction is usually a little bit rehearsed, planned,
like I have a minute to kind of collect myself

(01:48):
before we give our take on it. Last two drafts
or do the two drafts that I've worked for the
team I have Christian Zalaz and Drake May were genuine
excitement for both. Oh I got.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Felger Mas Rose did me for how excited I got?
Yeah for the Gonzales one.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
But it's funny because yeah, that you.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Know that rightfully, by the way, I was right to
be excited.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
But I, like I said, when it comes to running back,
especially in the class, like it's a great running back
class objectively, there's a lot of great running backs in
this class. What do you how do you kind of
deal with the value of the position. And I have
another take about positional value. We'll get to hear in
a second. But hello, everybody, welcome in. It's Evan Lazar

(02:28):
and Alex Bart just getting right to it right off
the jump, as we we typically do, and before we
get really into the weeds here, we're gonna talk a
little bit about the league meetings, all the news that's
coming out of the league meetings, Patriots related news, mostly
some Patriots adjacent stuff that I think is relevant to
the Patriots as well coming out of the league meetings,
and I have to poke a little bit fun. I'm sorry,

(02:50):
but we're not going to talk about succession plans. You know,
we're not going to talk about any of that. If
you want that, you're in the wrong place. This is
gonna be draft talk. This is going to be team
building talk about what was said at the owners meetings
and all that good stuff for the next couple of hours.
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New England Patriots. All right, everybody, So, in terms of
the news coming out of the owners meetings this week,

(03:31):
Alex I kind of broke it up into a few
different bullet points. You know, Mike Rabel's press conferences the.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Meat of this.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
There's some Patriots adjacent news like I talked about as
well with you know, Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins and
things like that that could be related. But I think
the biggest takeaway that I had just from listening to Rabel,
listening to some of the things that he had to say,
and I know he had some nice things to say
about some other prospects, but I kind of came to
the conclusion and when you're picking at four overall, I

(04:00):
don't need to have a list of ten guys, right,
you need to have a list of four, right.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
You know he doesn't.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
This is not a situation where they're picking You're just
talking about Christian Gonzales where they're picking fifteenth. So you
need to have fifteen names that you would be comfortable
with or you know that were in that range. So
when it comes to the four guys, I think, as
it stands today on April second, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter

(04:25):
or obviously on everybody's list. I think, you know, in
terms of that being in the top four or five picks,
I've come to the conclusion that I really feel like
Will Campbell and armand Membu or the two other guys
on their list, and it's really just gonna kind of
come down to do one of those top two guys
fall in your lap, right and you run the cart
up with Carter or Hunter, and you're really happy about that.

(04:47):
If not. Ra Abile talked a little bit about marrying
need with best player available and making sure that hopefully
that those two things kind of go hand in hand
with a pick that you make, and I feel like
just listening to them talk about tackle, knowing that they
need to address that in the draft, knowing that there
are two tackles that are probably worthy of going roughly

(05:09):
in that range, and we can debate if it's a
little high, a little low, whatever, but roughly in that range.
I'm just kind of having a tough time going outside
the box here and thinking that it could be a
Jalen Walker, or it could be a Tyler Warren, or
it could be a Ted McMillan. Even at that pick
when they have a glaring need. They have two guys

(05:31):
that sounds like they feel pretty good about in the
Membu and Campbell. Now it just kind of comes down
to which one do they like better?

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think even if they get a
trade back offer there, right, it doesn't sound like there's
gonna be a ton of desire to trade up in
this draft. So at what point if you're offered what
a fourth round pick to move back two or three spots,
if you know you want to tackle, what are the
odds it's Carter, Membu, four, five, right, six, whatever? Right

(06:00):
at that point, you just take your guy. So it
does feel like that's the group. He was very complimentary
of Tyler Warren. There is still the Ashton Genty best
player available thing. Maybe that comes into play more if
they move back, But I'm with you, I think it's
those two guys who talked about since the start of
this thing, Carter and Hunter. Those two guys are above

(06:21):
all else. And then after them, I think it's well,
and we've talked about this, Campbell, Membo, Genty, McMillan, Warren,
Graham like it's sort of all things equal, they all
have sort of a glaring question. So if it's all
things equal, what's the most obvious tiebreaker? And it is
and it should be need Yeah, and then you get

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to the tackle position then and then it just comes
down to what they both played in the SEC, and
Vrabel was praised both of them on Monday. If they
said they played in the SEC, you see what they did.
It comes down to what do you want to take
the gamble on the guy who doesn't have the deal
measurables or the guy who's going to be moving positions?

(07:03):
Right there's limited examples of success for both in the
NFL right now, either one would be an outlier if
he succeeds. Which one do you want to take the
gamble one?

Speaker 3 (07:15):
So speaking of outliers, the other point that comes, you know,
into this conversation, and you're right, you know, Rabel gave
that answer about Will Campbell specifically asked about his arm
length and he has specifically said, well, he did it
at a high level for three years in the SEC.
Now got to be objective about it. There are there

(07:37):
are a lot of players that were great in the
SEC that were not great in the NFL, not does
that tackle you know, at all positions, right, So that's
not always a guarantee. But when you look at the
players in college football and you're projecting to the NFL,
you're projecting with everybody. So the best projections are the
guys that have gone up against NFL caliber competition in

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a conference as good as the SEC that is close
to a NFL caliber competition you're going to get at
the college level. So that being said, Dame Bugler of
the Athletic Friend of the Program, UH tweeted out last
night something that you were first on.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
You were you were first on the store. You know,
there were a lot of draft people talking about it,
like immediately after the combine. I was the first to
put it into graphic. A lot of people were talking to.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Me, Yeah, what's the word humble about this?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
You? You were?

Speaker 3 (08:31):
You were first on?

Speaker 4 (08:32):
No.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
I literally noticed it. I wish I could remember who
I saw tweet it. I noticed it because I saw
somebody tweet hey, some of these measurements don't line up,
and I was like, oh, let me look at that.
So I was first with the graphic. I'll take credit
for that. I might have been the loudest. If you
want to say it was the loudest about it. I
will absolutely take credit for that, But I a lot
of people notice this, which makes it even more ridiculous
that it took us this long to get to this

(08:52):
point where we're accepting this as a reality in this draft.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Well, Papa Rillo is not accepting it as a reality.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Paul's were I.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Told him that I was gonna make He told me
that he knows that he's going to catch strays in
this conversation.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
So I gotta I gotta own up to that believing
an NFL sanctioned measurement.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
So dam Burglar. Last night from the Athletic again, the
author of The Beast said, among the forty six O
line Combine prospects who remeasured at their pro day, forty
three of them had longer arms at their pro day
measured by NFL scouts. So couple things. One common misconception.

(09:30):
This is not some LSU staffer that is measuring Will
Campbell's arms in the effort to inflate the measurement.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Right.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
You often hear that the time, you know, the forty
time at a pro day is going to be much
better at the Combine because they're they're trying to, you know,
fluff up their guys. They're trying to promote their guys.
You hear that about the Senior Bowl, that they're going
to always be a little bit generous to the players
to make them look better from a Senior Bowl perspective.
An NFL scout measures the arm length at the pro days.

(10:06):
Dan had the exact number. Forty three of forty six
measured in longer at their pro days than at the Combine.
And at this point it sounds like a lot of
teams are operating with Will Campbell as thirty three inch arms. Now,
I know a lot of people hear this and are like,
we're talking about three aces of an inch, Like, yeah,
it really doesn't make a difference. I don't think it

(10:28):
necessarily makes a ton of difference to teams, Like I
think NFL teams are always going to have the most
accurate information with this kind of stuff. They're always going
to get to the bottom of it one way or another.
They're gonna have their own evaluations. I'm a little pissed
off about this though, as you should, as as texting you,
but should be because on the day that Will Campbell

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measured in at thirty two and five. As at the combine,
I wrote that I would not take him at four
overall with that are length measurement, thinking that that essentially
would disqualify him from being a very a let's call
it a Pro Bowl caliber guard, right, a tackle, excuse me,
a really good tackle in the NFL. There isn't a

(11:12):
whole lot of precedent of a tackle measuring in that
far under thirty three. We're not talking about an eighth
of an inch. We're talking about almost half an inch
under the threshold. And thresholds exist for a reason. At
some point you have to have a cutoff, but can't
We can't be having guys playing tackle at thirty one

(11:33):
inch arms, right Like, At some point there's going to
be a cutoff, and you have to stay true to
your your system and stay true to what you believe
in in terms of the cutoff. So I wrote at
the time of the combine, the day of that this
all came out, that I would not take Campbell at
four overall. Now that time has passed and we've learned
new information, I have amended my stance on this because

(11:57):
we have two numbers that are similar, the one from
last spring yeah, which was thirty two and seven a's
and now the one from his pro day, which is
thirty three inches.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
And I would just add to that it's not unrealistic.
I know you count those as two different numbers. A
twenty year old grew an eighth of an inch in
a year like, both of those can absolutely be true.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
But even still my and again, NFL teams are not
gonna get duped by this. They will have an accurate number.
I see a lot of this is gonna cost Will
Campbell millions. I don't think it's gonna cost him million.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
It's not gonna cost to finish your rant and then
I'll do my part.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
It's not gonna cost Will Campbell any money. Yeah, the
NFL teams will get it right. It does, though, sting
for people like us who are on the outside looking
into this. And so I gave a take basing it
off a thirty two and five a's where I wrote
it's now in print that I am out on Will
Campbell at four overall for a player that back in
January I gushed about on this program and said that

(12:54):
I just loved the tape that he put out last year.
I've been a Will Campbell guy, and then I wavered
because of the stupid combine measurement, and it ended up
that the combine was wrong and had the wrong measurement
on his arms. If he had thirty three inch arms
at the combine, I never would have written that. I
never would have written that. I would have been all

(13:16):
in on the player. Thirty three inch arms are above.
You get into that Rashawn Slater territory, right, and you
get into all those different territories. So let's just continue
to preface this.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
This is a me problem. No one cares.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Okay, I get that, but for the discourse of the
draft and the conversation around the draft, and then also
I would just say that the environment that it sets
up for Will Campbell.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
So that's where I wanted to go. He's gonna be
like poor Jalen Brown on Draft night getting food because
all these people think there's this arbitrary number, and you're right,
it's not gonna cost Will Campbell any money because teams
will do their research and realistically, if they really want
to know, they'll have them in for a thirty visit
and they'll get the tape measure out themselves, right right.
Who this does cost is guys like Marcus Mobou. Marcus

(14:03):
Mobou played guard at Perdue for three years, moved to
right tackle last year, was very good at it measured
in at the Senior Bowl and the Senior Bowl and
Pro Day numbers and the Trine Bowl and Prodee numbers
line up, by the way, which is how we know
the combine is wrong because if three individual groups have
one number and one group has another number, did all
three screw up equally right? Or was the one the outlier?

(14:27):
Marcus Mobou. Now, look, he's right on the threshold, but
he measured it in thirty three at the Senior Bowl.
He measured it in thirty two. With the combine, he
lost a whole inch. Yeah, Campbell, we're talking about three eights.
Marcus Macbou lost a whole inch. So he's already like
a fringe top one hundred pick is a right tackle? Well,
all right, if he's a thirty two, now he's a guard.

(14:47):
And if you're on the fence about Marcus Mobou, no
offense to him, But are you gonna burn a thirty
visit on Marcus Mabou to get the royal measurement for him?
Are you just gonna move on to other guards or
other tackles. A guy like that, it's gonna cost him money.
A guy like Brandon Crenshaw Dixon who lost more than
half an inch, it might cost him money. Even some
of these guards that got short change. And it's at

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other positions. JT. Tooey Molowout from Ohio State lost over
an inch of arm length as a defensive end. Chris
Paul became a true statistical outlier at the linebacker position
for arm length between his pro day and the combine.
That's another guy that's day three that at the linebacker position.
Are team's really gonna look at it or in a

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strong linebacker classic, are they gonna say, we're not gonna
burn a thirty visit to get the right number. There's
other linebackers we can take. Yeah, this can cost these
kids money. Yeah, it absolutely can. Not just the lineman
across the board. I don't know if we'll ever get
an answer on what happened. We should, or at least
the players should.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
And it's a reporter. I wonder if the next year
reach out to the league spokesman.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
I wonder if next year we're gonna hear if there's
any like hesitance from players without the combine.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
But I gotta be honest with you, I don't trust it.
It's like a relationship. I don't trust you anymore like you.
I like obviously if it's if it's even between the
senior ball and the combine and the shrine bowl and
the combine, I.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Will trust it. And let me be clear, because I
saw skeptical. I saw somebody ask this last night, like,
how do we know the numbers in the past?

Speaker 6 (16:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Wrong. In the past, it might be off by an
eighth of an inch or two here or there, but
it would be like within it, within a quarter of
an inch, And it was in both directions. Some guys
are a little longer, some guys are a little shorter. Okay, Like,
that's all within the margin for error. This is outside
of the margin for error, and it's all in one direction. Right.
If some guys are measuring in an inch too short

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and some guys are measuring an inch too long, it
would be a different conversation. But it it looks like
the combine got it wrong. And you know forty times
have been talking about being inaccurate for years, But this
is a definitive measurement, like you're not trying to hit
a moving target. You're not measuring the guy's arm while
he's doing windmills. So yeah, I'm using the Pro Day

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or Senior Bowl or Shrine Bowl numbers. I think that's
what's more applicable here. I would encourage everybody else to
do the same. Obviously, what you want to do, that's
your prerogative. Don't let your affinity or dislike if certain
prospects dictate that. If you don't like Will Campbell, you
can not like Will Campbell with thirty three inch arms
just as much as you cannot like him with thirty

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two and five eighthens arms. That's fine. If you don't
like him based on the tape, we disagree, But that's
like a that's draft season. We disagree on that. If
you're gonna say, well, no, I'm using the combine number
because I want to be right about Will Campbell, or
I want to be right about Marcus Bow, or I
want to be right about any of these other guys. Now,
you're just allowing the players you like to dictate your beliefs,

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when it should be the other way around. What you
look for, what you like in players, that should dictate
the players you like. So it's unfortunate this happened. But
I was trying to tell you, guys, I was trying
to tell you it was wrong. Campbell comes into thirty
three inches. Shouldn't be any question if you if you're
worried about the tape and look the wingspan, which by
the way, was about the same at both measurements. So

(18:05):
if they were trying to hype them up at the
Pro day, why didn't they also hype up as wingspan.
If you're worried about the wingspan, if you're worried about
what's on tape, like, we can have that conversation. Just
don't talk to me about thirty two and five days
in charms.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
I again, I just I don't. I'm going to be skeptical.
I'm going to be skeptical of what the combine puts out.
And this is a problem.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
People will have to see what happens with the Senior
Bowl and the Shrine Bowl, like it'll be lining up.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
But this is a problem because I think a lot
of teams, not a lot, you know, I've had people
reach out to every team. Just trust the combine. Yeah, right,
Every year when the guys measure in because the combine
has no biases. It's not LSU's Pro Day, it's not uh,
you know, Missouri's Pro Day, it's the control Pro Day.
It's the control group. They have no biases. They they

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have no skin in the game to inflate numbers or
mess with numbers or whatever. So that is the most
accurate number. And teams for years and years and years
have always just trusted the numbers out of Indianapolis. They
haven't even thought twice about it. They just trust the
numbers out of Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Well, there was like, there's never any reason not to
trust it. I guess sure, don't fault them. But this
year there's a reason not to trust there's.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
There's a reason not to trust it. And and Dane,
you know, is his reporting, he mentioned that teams are
that he's spoken to, you know, not all thirty two,
but teams that he's spoken to are using the pro
Day numbers like they are using Will Campbell has thirty
three in charms like that is the number they are.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Using, as they should.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
So it's it's a part of the conversation. It's an
interesting part of the conversation, you know. To get back
to sort of you know why thirty three is so important.
You know, that's the threshold. It used to be thirty four.
It got moved down to thirty three because a couple
of different guys, you know, Rashaun Slater probably being the
biggest one that was right on the line at thirty three.

(19:57):
But Penny Sewell's also in the thirty three range. Yeah,
you know, Taylor Decker is also in the thirty three range.
Ryan Ramchick from the Rams, from the Ramps, from the
Saints is also in that range as well.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
So there is a lot of guys.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
I don't know if it's one hundred percent accurate because
you know, he goes back aways. But Joe Thomas was
a high thirty three inch arm light that that was
something coming out with him that was a little bit
of a question mark. So the threshold got moved. It's
thirty three inches. There are quite a few left tackles
that played Pro Bowl caliber left tackle with thirty three

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inch inch in you know, a fraction of inch arms.
So when you get to thirty three, the ceiling for
a guy like Will Campbell at tackle now feels a
lot higher, or not a lot, but a little bit higher.
Because you'd think that, you know, Okay, now we can
coach around some of these arm length deficiencies and maybe
we can fix some of the technique that led to

(20:58):
some of the things that we see on tape where
he's not as good. So yep, that's where we're at.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
If there's one silver lining in it. At press conference,
he gave it as pro day. Yeah. Oh, he's pissed,
as he should be pissed at the league. You're right,
and he should be in. Good for him. What do
you think Mike Rabel thought when he saw that press conference?

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Well, we've said all along with Will Campbell, that he's
a rabele guy. Yeah, that was his character, his makeup,
and I understand that some people roll their eyes at that.
Just give me the talent. This is a talented kid, right.
And one of the things that I've sort of gravitated
towards more in the draft in recent years is young breakouts,

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guys that were truly young breakout players. Because when you
talk about ceiling and we talk about potential, this is
in any sport really like the NBA, it's the same
draft process is the same way the younger the player
was when they broke out usually signals the higher the
player's ceiling is. So, you know, just recent examples like
Christian Zalez and Drake May were both young brains, make

(22:00):
out players, right they were underclassmen. They were you know,
stars as underclassmen. Drake May's big season was his sophomore
season at North Carolina. Will Campbell is has been a
young breakout player. There's tape of him two years ago
against like Jared Verse in Florida State, right, you know,

(22:20):
like we're talking about him playing left tackle for Jayden
Daniels as well as Ness Meyer and and you know
playing last year at LSU. So I'm big on that.
I think it's important. You know, Travis Hunter checks that
box two as well. But there are a lot of prospects,
especially with Nil and COVID, and there's still remnants of
that that are older that have been in college football

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for five six years. For example, Yeah, Tyler Warrens one, uh,
you know, he's on the older side. So that that's
where we're at right now with Will Campbell the other
things I just wanted to you got one more thing.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Well, kind of along those lines, and you know Vrabel
sort of hyping up Campbell on Monday also hyped up
arm On and you mentioned the young breakout thing. This
is a guy that was as a recruit viewed as
a guard wins the starting right tackle jobs. Is true.
Freshman year at Missouri. Never gave it up, I rabeled,
sounded confident Membo could make the switch. Yeah too, from

(23:16):
from right to left. So where are you at with
armand Membo at this point?

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Well, there's a couple of things with Member. You know
the switch, I did that deep dive I forgot I
forgot one, and somebody on Twitter pointed it out, so
I appreciate it. But my data didn't go back far
enough for Tyron Smith called the last ten years, so
I was looking at the last ten years. Tyron Smith
at USC was a right tackle, so he moved to
left tackle and Dallas probably gonna go into the Pro

(23:42):
Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
But he also there was a year in between where
he played right tackle. At the NFL, I don't he
might have started at right tackle now. I don't think
he was at left tackle right away because they had somebody.
I'll look it up. So Tyren Wurfs went right. Well,
Worfs did.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
The same thing. He's right right in Tampa and then
moved to left. So Tyron Smith, trist and Wharfs are
the top tier, right, Yeah, both all pro caliber players
going from right to left from college to the pros.
Jedrick Wills is sort of like a nice floor.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
They had dug free by the way it left free.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
It's sort of a nice floor, right, Like Jederick Wills
was a solid player for Cleveland for a couple of
years until he got you know, injuries started to catch
up to him and things like that. He was a
college right tackle, left tackle in the NFL. So there
are examples, but it's three examples over the span of
fifteen plus years that you can really come up with

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the guys that have done it and stuck on the
left side.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Last year a.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Couple teams tried it. Telis Fugala in Chicago, Jac.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Lath in New Orleans? Is he in New Orleans? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Why did I say Chicago?

Speaker 1 (24:55):
I don't know New Orleans? Yeah, Now I lost my
train of thought.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Jac Latham, Jac Latham and Tennessee right. And there was
one more. I have it writ down. I'll look it up.
But the point being Latham is already back at right tackle.
They signed Dan Moore junior.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
They gave Dan More junior a terrible contrey in order
to be able to do Yeah, he's already back at
right tackle.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
I don't know what the the oh. The other one
was Tyler Guyton with the Dallas Cowboys. So Tyler Goyton
had an up and down year, was starting for a
little bit, was benched, was starting again right like they
kind of had him in and out of the lineup
a little bit. He was a right tackle at Oklahoma
and then got moved to left tackle with Dallas last year.
I remember this with with Geyton, particularly because he was

(25:42):
at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, and I was there, and
they had him working out a lot at the left
side because teams he has tackle feet, He's got tackle height,
tackle length, tackle size, so everybody wanted to see if
he could play left. And he struggled a little bit,
I thought at the Senior Bowl, trying to make the
change from right to left. I think the biggest thing, though,
beyond just a change that I look at with Membu

(26:05):
and this is maybe just a philosophical thing for me
that might be different from other people, And I think
it kind of comes back to some of the traditional
Patriots Belichick era stuff. When I think of right and
left tackle, at right, I feel like run blocking can
be more important, like having a really good run blocking
right tackle is health is you know, sort of where

(26:27):
I look at right tackle, like, if you're a good
run blocker and just an average pass blocker, I'm probably
playing you on the right side right because it's not
the blind side and all that good stuff. Left tackle,
they've I feel like they've always had a little bit
of a better athlete on the left side. I know
Membu is a great athlete, but I just mean a
better pass protector right, I think is a better way
of putting that. A better pass protector on the left side,

(26:50):
more nimble, more athletic guy on the left side. Membo,
when I look at him, first of all, he's a squatty,
thick built right he's like six four three and thirty pounds.
He's he's kind of built like a guard in terms
of his body type. And then I also look at
the pass blocking tape and it's not a ton And
I actually went back and watched a little bit of

(27:11):
twenty twenty three for both him and Burden recently. It's
not a ton of true NFL style drop back passing
right where he is one on one on an island
in pass protection. They have a lot of moving pockets
in that offense. They chip and help a lot to
their tackles, you know, with their running backs and the

(27:31):
tight ends. I would say Will Campbell had a lot
more true pass sets in the stats back it up
than armand Membu in college by quite a bit of
a wide margin. So when I look at Membu I
and transitioning to right, from right to left, he has
the lesson to do it, He's got the length to
do it. He's a tackle right like, he's got all
the tackle measurables checked off. But I do wonder if

(27:55):
he's going to be a little bit greener as a
pass protector once he has more exposure to actually NFL
style pass blocking right.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
We don't.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
I don't think I necessarily have a great feel for
how he's gonna be on the blind side one on one,
you know, week one against a stud pass rusher in
the NFL, Like, how is he gonna hold up in
that matchup? Whereas with Campbell, I feel a little bit
more confident that he could go ahead toe to toe
with somebody.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Like that, and just because the way they're set up,
and maybe this changes with the draft, but left tackle
is not gonna be an easy position to help right
right right side Morgan, Moses, Michael and Win who you
feel good it's one on one, you're gonna be one
on one over there, But left guard might end up
being your weak spot. So are you trying to help
They're in at left tackle like they're gonna be helping
each other. What exactly is that going to look? Like?

(28:43):
You're gonna need a guy that can win on an
island at left tackle.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah, and typically you do, like just looking at the
statistics of you know, we have data now that says like,
how often is this guy on an island right? How
often does he get hell? How often is he true
pass blocking on an island? And typically it's all the
left tackles right, Like, the only right tackles that are
up there are like Penny Seol right because lines are
just like, well, we'll just leave him one on one,

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but everybody else is usually on the left side. So
I like Membo. I don't want it to come across
as like I think Membo is a bad prospect because
I feel like you when you like one guy more
than the other.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
It becomes very territorial. It's become combativeated.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
It always likes across that way.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
You can like both. I do like both. But again,
what am I willing to bet on Will Campbell being
outside the norm for arm length or arm On Membu
being outside the norm as a position changer? I've seen
Will Campbell play left tackle. That's what I'm betting on
that I've seen him do it. Yeah, and is he perfect? No,
there there are no perfect there's no perfect prospects. I

(29:46):
really haven't had to use that line that much this
year because I think everybody knows that's the case. But like,
especially in this draft, Like, all right, we're betting on
his size versus where else are we going? Again? The
position changer? Tet McMillan's speed or can you really build
the whole thing around a running back with gent or
Tyler Warren being an older, late breakout player, Like gotta
take a shot somewhere. Yeah, and that's where I'm willing

(30:06):
to all things consider. That's why I'm willing to take
the shot. Yeah, unless, of course Carter and Hunter are there.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
So that's that I don't you know, we spend a
ton of time on this, So.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
We should just get like a little like piece of
paper the sign that says like unless Carter and Hunter
or if Carter and Hunter off the board. Yeah, instead
of having to put that qualifier, just hold it up
every time we're giving a take where that applies. Would
save a lot of time.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, I I just keep coming back to it again.
I know it's probably uh, it's probably old school, and
I probably need to let it go. But when you
watch when you look at armand Membu and you look
at the way he's built, like just his body type
on and you look at you know, he's a wide
bodied tackle. And when I think of wide bodied tackles,
I just think of right tackle, Like I just don't

(30:48):
think of those types of players playing a ton on
the left side. And speaking of wide bodied tackles. Another
you know, portion of of Rabel's interview that I found
interesting was him talking about Kid Wallace and not ruling
out Caden Wallace as a potential tackle. Again, I feel
as though looking at Caden Wallace, watching his tape, the
way he moves, the way he plays, and the body type,

(31:11):
I think he's a right tackle and not just because
he played right tackle in college, but just he looks
like a right tackle. I also wouldn't totally roll out
with Wallace, and this I actually feel even stronger about.
I'm not rolling out moving him inside to guard because
there's a really good track record and we've talked about
this in the past with Campbell. There's a really good

(31:32):
track record of college tackles moving to guard in the
NFL and being very good guards, right Zach Martin, Brandon Sheriff,
Joe Toney, Elijah Vera Tucker, Like, there's a really long
list of that. So if you move Caden Wallace inside
the guard where now he's going to be an athletic
guard and probably a high level pass protecting guard. I

(31:53):
like the idea that left guard is wide open. You know,
there's a wide open competition. So the way I look
at it right now with it sounds like they're probably
gonna hope that Wallace can be the swing tackle this
year and then maybe long term he's the right tackle
of the future, learning behind Morgan Moses for a year
or two and then he takes over there. I'm just

(32:14):
not necessarily thinking that left tackles in his future, but
very able didn't rule out him playing left well.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
So when Ellie Wolf was on with Feulger, he talked
about how he sees Wallace primarily is the right tackle,
and I kind of if the plan really is we're
gonna let Kane Wallace compete for the starting left tackle job.
I don't love that. Yeah, but remember they need backups too.
They only have one true left tackle in the roster
right now, and that's Vadarian Lowe. It's not like, all right,
Vaderian Lowe's back and they have some guy who is

(32:42):
on the practice squad, they signed to a future contractor
they don't even have the bodies. So they are going
to need backups in addition to starters at these positions.
And we saw Vaderian low on the right side in
twenty twenty three. It doesn't work. He is purely a
left tackle. That is his position period, full stop. So
if you're gonna carry him as your backup left tackle,

(33:06):
you now also have to have a backup right tackle.
Whereas if you can cross train Cane Wallace enough that
he can be a swing tackle, and maybe he's not
great at left, but if you have to have him
start a game or two, you can get by right. Well,
now you have the option where you don't need to
carry Vederian Low, and that opens up a roster spot

(33:27):
somewhere else. So I think ideally they'd like Walls to
be comfortable enough at both tackle spots that they don't
have to keep four tackles on the roster. He's basically
competing for with Vaderian Low for the backup left tackle spot,
is how I read that, and then eventually, like you said,
he can become the starting right tackle down the road.
I'm not against him at trying to mcguard either. I
would try him everywhere everywhere. He's probably a little too

(33:47):
big to be a center, but yeah, get him familiar
in as many spots as possible. I wonder what like, now,
you're having a lot of bodies there, you're gonna draft
a rookie and you need to make sure you have
the reps. But I developing him as a swing tackle
makes sense because even if they draft Will Campbell and
it's Will Campbell at left tackle or arm On Membo
either one right, if you draft either of those guys,

(34:09):
are Arianta Ristrey later on, Okay, this is gonna be
our starting left tackle. We're putting him in place, is
low still your backup? Like, are you gonna add another
left tackle to compete there or whatever? And is that Wallace?
Is it somebody else in the draft, a guy like
Hauling Pierce right or a guy like Anthony Belton. So
I it doesn't the idea of just seeing what Walls

(34:30):
can do at left tackle isn't a bad idea as
long as the idea isn't well, you know, we can
maybe have him as a starter like that shouldn't be
part of the thought. It's just if he can back
up at both tackle spots, we can save a roster spot.
Now he becomes le Adrian Wadham.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, so I do wonder too if they draft they
could double dim at tackle in the draft, like it
probably won't be too top one hundred picks, but you
mentioned Anthony Belton. You know, I really think Charles Grant
from William Marry is a really interesting develop mental prospect
outside the top one hundred probably not I think you
probably third round pick, but he's probably you know, he's

(35:06):
another guy right, just throwing his name out there, uh,
that that could be in that developmental role and no,
no offense meant whatsoever. To Vaderian Low, but you kind
of know what Vaderian Low is at this point. So
if Caden Wallace can prove to be serviceable enough to
be the top swing tackle going into next season, that
also could open up a fourth tackle spot for like

(35:28):
a develop a true developmental player that you take like
a Belton or a Grant that's not going to start
as a rookie probably but might have a future starter
upside that a year or two from now, you know,
he could take over at right tackle, or if you know,
you end up not taking you know, Campbell or whatever
right like, you just have different options there.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
With that spot.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
So, uh, those are the tackles. That was most of
the conversation. There a couple of other tidbits just picking
up from some of the press conferences here Mike Rabel
came out and said they're drafting a running back like
he came out and said it, said it's something that
we'd like to do. One of my favorite parts, and
I know it's the least talked about part of the
press conference for mister Kraft, but one of my favorite

(36:11):
parts about mister Krafts press conference was him off the cuff,
just rattling off offensive line, receiver, and running back as
like three things he'd like to see the team do.
I wonder who told him that, right, But even more specifically,
mister Kraft said speed running back, speed running So I
wrote down a few names here that I think fit

(36:33):
that mold, right. Both, I think Ohio State guys are
speed running backs.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
In my mind, they're just good running backs, but they
can do everything.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
But I think they're speed guys like I think they have.
They both have explosive gears, maybe Henderson more so than Judkins,
but I think both of those guys are explosive dudes.
Dylan Samson from Tennessee is starting to make a lot
of a lot of arrows pointed.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
At Yeah that one.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah, you know, just really explosive, really good one cut ability.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
You just really dynamite running back. You know. In terms
of that mold, he'd be complimentary to what Stevenson gives.
He did, like it makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Twoton from Virginia Tech.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, right, speedback. I still worry about the fumbles.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, he has a lot of fumbles, but uh he
has a ton of big plays on his tape, you know,
a ton of big plays.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Uh r.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
J Harvey from UCF I think is another one.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, that that's in that mold.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
I kind of looked at Dylan Samson is like day two,
and then R. J. Harvey is kind of like the
fourth round version of Dylan Samson. Jayden Blue from.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Texas another fumbles guy, but yeap just explosive.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
And Smith they give from s m U.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Smith Richard Smith converted receiver, another fast guy.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
So those are just a couple of names that I
came up with with speed running back. But you know,
how happy are you to hear that they're they're all in.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
On the Yeah they should. I wonder if again, you know,
is Robert Craft using speedback in that like third down
back sense or the Quinn Allen and Woody Mark still
in that conversation. But yeah, it makes sense because I've
said this for a long time. If you lessen the
workload on on I don't said Ashton genty on ramondre Stevens,

(38:18):
and yeah, you're gonna get more out of him. I
think ramondre Stevens in like eighteen to twenty carries a
game is going to be overall a better player than
if he's hey, he's saving to touch the ball. Like
twenty five to thirty times a game. So one way
you can do that do that is splitting by down.
But the other thing is you put ramondre Stevenson him
in early. You let him give the body blows. You

(38:39):
let him I know you don't believe in this, but
you let him wear down the defense and test them physically.
And then when that defense is hoffing and puffing and
beat up, you put that track star in there and
you let him loose. So maybe that's how they're gonna
break it up. I don't hate that if that is
the plan. Dylan Sampson in that lightning right thunder and
lightning role, Yeah, I don't know that. Dylan Samson's somebody

(39:02):
I want as a volume back. I just think the
way he runs, he's a sub back, right.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
He's not a receiving back, He's a sub back.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah. So you know how we always do that, all right,
Antoine Smith, Kevin Fogg, La Garrett Blunt, James White, and
then we always kind of have to put Dion Lewis
in that other third thing. Yeah, he's more and I'd
put Tooting in this as well, Tuttan in this as well.
They're deon Lewis. They're in that third category. Uh uh
uh to Tennessee, we're just I just said his name,

(39:33):
oh dy, Dylan Samson, thank you. I was gonna say Edwards.
Samson's much bigger than he's six foot I think, right.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
I don't know if he's that tall.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I looked that up, but like he's that all right.
He's gonna get ten carries a game, ten to twelve
carries a game. But we're gonna strategically place them where
we think the defense is worn't out, or we think
we have them biting on a look, and we're gonna
hit them with the setup off of that look where
he really is going to have a chance to break
something big. It's it's what raheem moster. It's been used

(40:02):
in that role in both San Francisco and Miami. That's
probably the most high profile I can think of a
guy recently that's been used like that.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
So I have a I have a different different slight
different theory. Okay, same at different example. I should say, no,
different theory. I'm with you on the theory. It's a
little David Montgomery, jimior Gibbs right like that that I think, Yeah,
in Detroit is right now is the pinnacle. That's the pinnacle.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Rb Damage Sampson's only five eight.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Uh yeah, I didn't think he was that tall, but
he's uh, you know, two hundred pounds.

Speaker 6 (40:34):
Though.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
He's like, yeah NFL dot Com and I I said,
this is a little lofty, but NFL dot Com comps
him to Brian Westbrook, which is obviously very lofty.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Brian Westbrook is a great, was a great. Does anybody
have a better collection of players named Brian than the
early two thousands evils?

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Yeah, so Brian Westbrook is lanser lines comp on NFL
dot Com for Dylan Samson. So that kind of gives
you an idea. Is he gonna be as good as
Brian Westbrook? I don't know, but he gives you playing
style wise, it kind of gives you an idea of
what the guy plays like.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
I think the biggest thing though, is you look at
you know, in Detroit they have Montgomery's kind of that
you know between the tackles, sledgehammer type of back, and
then Jamier Gibbs is the big play guy, you know,
with the speed obviously, so Trayvon Henderson I think it's
gonna go too early, Like I think you'd have to
take him at thirty eight, and I don't know if
they're prepared to do that. At running back, he's kind

(41:27):
of Jamior Gibbs light to me. Yeah, I don't think
he's quite as good as Jamior Gibbs or as explosive
as Jamior Gibbs. But he plays a real similar style
and moves similarly and is loose and fluid and all
that good stuff. But yeah, it's it's a it's coming.
Running backs coming at some point. Uh, mister Kraft's comments
with speedback would probably rule out Devin Neil.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Olie Gordon U, Damion Martinez.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah, like those types of guys, I'm not going to
but based off of that comment alone reading it.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
At Prize, they take two running backs in this draft.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
A little I mean maybe in like one of those
seventh round, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, But if they added like Dylan Sampson and then
went back later and got who are like the power
backs late, or if they even like Dylan Samson, like
Donovan Edwards.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Well that's the thing though, is like if you look
at the at the backs and you know the late guys,
like there's not a ton.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Oh what's his name from Clemson film MafA?

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Okay, yeah it could be him. But like when we
get late, like I'm thinking, you know, like you.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Know, like Quinn Allen, I want the Quinn Allen or
what and.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah what he marks? Like those guys aren't powerbacks though,
those are receiving back right.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Well that's why I like, I wonder if that counts
as speed. No, I'm thinking, like do they if they
go with another back late? Let's say they take like
a guy like Tutt right or or one of these
faster backs, a guy like Raheem Sanders was the other
one who I couldn't think of, or or Phil MafA
or just one of the absolute bowling balls late in
the draft, rocket Sanders. Even a guy like Kyle Manongui

(42:59):
if he falls, who I think is quicker than people
give him credit, but he's still more. Probably he runs angry.
That kid runs mean. Man. He learned a lot clearly
from watching Isaya Pacheco. I'm not good with names today,
but yeah, yeah, that one surprised me.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Yeah, all right, so that that's running backs. You're getting
your wish on that one. Well, last thing about the
running backs really quickly. I don't get the impression that
when Rabel talked about the running backs, who's talking about
Ashton Genty. I could be wrong. Again, everything's on the table,
I'm sure, But every single time he's been asked about
the running back room, he's back to Romandrie Stevens.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
He talks about helping Stevenson, which is more of a
complimentary player. Yeah, they're drafting Ashton Genty at four to
be a complimentary back. That's not great.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Every time he talks about running backs, has been asked
about running backs, going all the way back to the combine,
Rabel has made a point to talk about the fumbling
with Stevenson and how they're going to fix that, Yeah,
and how he feels confident they're going to fix it.
He's gone even gone as far as as you know,
putting of the blame on the blocking and some of
you know, what was going on around him last year too,

(44:04):
and people here like, well, it's not the running backs
fault that he fumbled, How is that true? Well, when
they got six guys hanging all over you and you're
and pulling at the ball all the time because you can't,
you're always in a cloud of dust. You know, when
every single time he touched the ball. That's sort of
what Rabel's talking about when he says that, you know,
it's not always the running backs fault when those types
of situations happen. So you're trying to break tackles, you're

(44:25):
trying to make plays, you got three guys hanging out,
and you fumble the ball, right like that. That that's
what you know. He's kind of getting at there. So
every time he has the opportunity to back Stevenson, he does.
He also get back to Antonio Gibson in this answer
a little bit as well. So if they were truly
thinking about adding a volume back, like adding a guy

(44:48):
that was going to be the feature back in the backfield,
like an Ashton Genty, I just don't feel like they
would be so complimentary. The guy's already on the team.
I'm with you, Yeah, So going next one here, he
was asked about Tyler and I was kind of talking
to you about this before.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
I I love.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Tight ends, but not as much as Mike Vrabel in
the first round. I will fully admit that I've been
burned in the past by tight ends early in the draft.
And I have a list and I'm gonna get to
my list in a second. But I have become a
little big gun shy when it comes to tight ends.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Like I still believe Kyle Pitts is going to break out.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I just for me, it wasn't even so much Kyle
pits I was a huge TJ.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Hockinson guy.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
I thought TJ. Hockinson was going to be a really
good player in the league. And when I say really good,
he's a solid player, but I mean like he was
going to be a Brock Powers was. Yeah, like you know,
a legitimate, you know, needle moving tight end.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
He's not that.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Ever since then, I've been wary of drafting tight ends early.
So here's my list I sent this to this morning.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
So these are the tight ends in the last let's
call it ten or so drafts that were drafted in
the first round. And a couple of these guys were
raft to top ten. I want you to tell me
if you think that they were just last ten years
last ten years or so, I think I might have
gone a little bit further than ten.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Brock Bowers, Yeah so far. Dalton Kinkaid, Bills don't really
use him right. I don't know how much. It's his fault,
but I don't think he's lived up to that. You know,
I was never a kN K guy, not as a
slot receiver certainly Kyle Pitts. Yeah, how much time to
you have on Kyle Pitts.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
So Kyle pit is a fourth overall pick. He should
not have been a fourth overall pick, exact same draft slot.
The Falcons did not use him correctly. That hurt, but
he has also shown some shortcomings he shouldn't have been
picked for. So the interesting thing about Kyle Pitts is
that he had a great rookie year, Yeah, thousand yards
pro bowler, a great rookie season, and then never stopped
ever since then. It was literally the biggest drop off

(46:49):
you could ever.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Kyle Pitts is one of the biggest nature versu nurture
players there is. To me, Tjack TJ. Howkinson, I still
think he's first round pick. Like he's worked and he
was taken late right later. No eighth overall, eighth overall.
He's a good player. I not worth the eighth overall
in this draft if you end up with the player
of that quality he did, Okay, no offense I like

(47:11):
no offense. I don't know that again, another guy that
is a good player. Was he worth where he went
in the draft? Probably not, but like he's a solid
starting NFL tight end. No, not worth it, he's worth
the first round pick, but like he's a he's a
good yeah, fine player. Yeah. I don't want to get
myself in trouble like I did last time we did
this exercise.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Hayden Hurst he.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Had like that one year, right, was it in Yeah, Baltimore,
Atlanta he was in saying no, he's not first round talent,
but he had that one year where he was in Carolina,
So I have to think it was that.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
I have to fact check myself on this.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, I didn't even remember hayden Hurst was a first
round pick.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
If I remember correctly, hayden Hurst was older when he
came into the league.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
He was in the twenty eighteen draft. He's thirty one now, so.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
He was twenty five as a rookie. Okay, so much
older than Warren's gonna be twenty three. He's not gonna
be twenty five, but still an older breakout player. First
round pick at tight end O. J.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Howard. No, And I liked Jay Howard, But when you
don't have Clemson forgetting to cover him in the National Championship.
He's not Jay Howard got drafted on one play.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
You got drafted in the first round one that whole
game Championship, I know, but it was the one wide
open touch.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Because Clem's in that entire game, said what if we
just don't cover O. J. Howard? And they made him.
I remember I liked OJ Howard that year and I
didn't think he was a first round pick, but I
thought he was like relatively slept on. And then he
had that game and everybody started putting him the first round,
like Okay, hang on, now we've gone too far the
other way. He was wide open, No, he's not. Also,
hayden Hurst breakout year, I remember it being a bigger dealer.
I remember people freaking out because like Baltimore moved on

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for him. After two years, they traded him and then
he went to Land and I remember being like, wow,
what a trade by the Falcons. Fifty six catches for
five hundred and eighty yards and six touchdowns. That's fine. No,
Hayden Hurst is not worth a first round pick, but
they couldn't make Kyle Pitts work, so they just in Atlanta. O. J.
Howard Hard No, No, I'm having fun with this, though.
We should do this more often.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Evan Ingram.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I mean he figured out in Jacksonville, but the Giants
watched that bad up and down career. A lot of
these are like teams could not figure out how to.
This goes back to you're na cut in for a second.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
No, because you're gonna make my points. So just okay,
let me finish the list and then we can David.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
And Joku another guy that I see what you're building towards.
I don't want to give your take. He was not
initially worth a first round pick. He's been really good
the last couple years.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
He's been better the last few years. I agree with that.
That Stefanski offense has definitely helped him. Yeah, a good
year in twenty three, eight hundred and eighty two yards,
eighty one catches, six touchdowns, made the Pro Bowl, so
you know has had years.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Worth the first round pick, I'd say in Joko is
probably worth it.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, but not not a game change and he went
high too, right Yeah, yeah, no, not a game not
a top twenty pick. He went twenty ninth overall.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
So not too high.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
That's fine. I'm okay with that. I remember that was
like a weaker tight end draft.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
I had to go a little bit further back, I
think because I had to include this one, Eric Ebron, No.
Tenth overall. Yeah, that was Eric Ebron.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
I can't defend that one at all.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
And then the last one I had on here I
think was one I think maybe yeah around thirteen or fourteen,
fifteen years now, Tyler Iivert.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
He was fine, got hurt. He probably went too high
where he went. Yeah, he was hurt a lot.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
So here's my point. When I look at this list.
The one guy that I look at this list and
I say that is a game changer, like that is
a absolute stud, blue chip whatever you want to call it,
is Bowers.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
And that's only one year. That's only off one year.
Not that I think he's gonna regre.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
That's only off one year. Like you said, I think TJ.
Hockinson is a nice player.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
In this draft, specifically, if they came away with the
player who like equals the impact t J. Hawkinson makes, fine,
I I yeah, that that's passable. That's a passing grade.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Would I generally a bad what I generally feel about
this list. I'm gonna call it. There's eleven names on
the list. I think we're at maybe two that truly
were worth the pick and panned out. Yeah, And the
point I'm getting out with Tyler Warren, it is not
a good history for tight ends in the first round.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Well, it's just not what I want to add to
that though. Tight end historically across the board at any round. Yeah,
like brock Bowers is such an anomaly because that's the
outside of maybe quarterback. That's the position that takes the
longs to develop. A lot of those guys we talked
about Evan Ingram, Hayden Hurst for a flash there. Who

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are some of the other guys You have to remind me,
butku like they started to play like first round talents,
but it wasn't until three, four or five years in
and some Dotkinson too. Some of them had to change
teams to do it. So that's another thing about that position,
Like if you draft a tight end, you have to
be patient because tight ends it's a lost art in

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the college game. Teams outside of Tyler Warren, teams don't
use tight ends. They don't throw to tight ends. When
they do it's generally a pretty limited routree, pretty limited
sample size. Teams are not creative with the tight end
position in college, whereas in the NFL right now, the
tight end is as multiple a position as it's ever been.
That's why part of the reason why me and I

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think some other people are so high on Tyler Warren.
He's one of the few guys in recent years, not
just this year, that played tight end in college the
way he's going to play the position in the NFL.
That doesn't really happen. So if you draft a tight end,
you have to be willing to be patient and understand
you might not get that impact year one. Brock Bauers
is an anomaly. To just bring this back to the

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Patriots and I don't know, this is kind of a
side point to your point. This is why they should
draft a tight end this year because Hunter Henry and
Austin Hooper have that position held down right now. Tight
end is going to be a need in two or
three years. I'd rather get that guy in the building
now and start that development process now, because if you
try to take that guy and make him an instant starter,

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the history is a tight end. Even if he pans
out down the road. It's not gonna happen right away. Now,
you don't need to make that pick at four. You
can get that.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Guy Gunner Helm Terrence Fergus right.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
So, well, this is where to go back to Vrabel
the way he talked about it. How many tight ends
can we play it once and want to be multiple?
I kind of wrote it off. That's short of blocking.
There weren't going to be a ton of snaps available
for a rookie tight end in New England. And to me,
unless you're going to take a right tackle to step
in for Morgan Moses, your picks at four, thirty eight,

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sixty nine, and seventy seven, those are guys that need
to be playing this year. They need to be playing
at least a regular rotational role, if not more. Is
a If you take Mason Taylor, it's seventy seven, Yeah,
how much is he really going to play? Well? Hearing
Vrabel talk, maybe there are gonna be some more thirteen sets.
Maybe there are gonna be some opportunities for that guy
to play over you know this all pending injury to

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play over Austin Hooper. So yeah, I'm more open to
the idea of taking a tight end higher now because
I think there's more snaps available than I previously thought
for still still very rich, but it's it's a double
edged sword. I think they should draft a tight end
this year, but I think you're drafting one knowing he's
not going to play a ton are there? You know
what these higher picks should we be drafting guys that

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are gonna play more? So my other part of this
take yeah, but does that fit in with your list
that like it's a later breakout position.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Yeah, it's a lader breakout position.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
It takes.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
It's a steep learning curve coming into the league. You
broke it down pretty well. Basically. On top of that,
it's a mental hurdle because you have to be in
the run game and in the past game. You have
a featured role in both phases of the game. Whereas
a receiver, if you're blocking out on the perimeter, you
kind of just go about your day. Yeah, tight end,

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you have to know your run blocking assignments. You need
to know the playbook on the run side, and you
know the playbook in the past. You need to know
pass protection right because you might be in the protection sometimes,
so you have to know all these different elements to
be able to play a high volume role as a rookie.
The other element of it too, that I would just say,
with specifically to Warren that has me a little bit
concerned about him individually. I have also been burned by

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the well rounded tight end, right, the guy that is versatile,
that does it all well.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
It's more than just well rounded, though.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
But Hockinson was that way. Hockinson was well a well
rounded tight end. He came in and you said, he
can block, he can catch the ball, he can line
up everywhere like this is this is a NFL. You know,
that's what we want in the NFL. Right, That kind
of tight end a lesser version of these two players,
but simply like Michael Mayer. I was huge on Michael

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Mayer coming out, same sort of.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Thing Michael Mahy and Michael Mayer was always an in
line tight end. I remember talking about this. Nobody was
ever trying to play Michael Mayer on the outside, No.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
But my point being is that he was. He could
block and he could catch pass. Oh yeah, he was
this well rounded guy. What we've seen I think with
the tight end position, specifically over the last couple of years.
Is that the guys that are are hitting are truly
receivers Sam Laporta, brock Bowers, right, like guys that are explosive,

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dynamite receivers. I would say Warren's a really good receiver.
He's a really good player. I don't know if I
see a gear that brock Bowers brings to the table
in terms of his explosiveness.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
And he's not brock Powers. He's not, and people gonna
want to be because it's copycat league and you're drafting him.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Four overall, so he should be a guy that comes
in and has eleven.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
I would think you'd be more worried about him being
a late breakout player.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
I'm a little bit concerned about that too.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
That's on the list. He's a very even as late
breakout players go, he's late.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Yeah, it's it's definitely part of the concern. But I
just look at his receiving tape and it's a lot
of I'm just bigger, stronger than you, and I'm just
gonna muscle you off the ball, right, I'm gonna push
you out of the way, and I'm gonna get targeted
on this context like he had that catch Uh, I
think it's against Texas or the guy's like draping all

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over him and he just you know, caught it through
the contact. It's like that's a great catch. But the
coverage is he's wearing coverage right, like the guy's on
his back, like it's just tight coverage. So I just
I look at these tight ends now a little bit
differently because I've been burning the past. I'm not trying
to crap all over Tyler Warren. I know that's how
it's gonna come across. I just I really we're just

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crapping on tight ends as a whole. But four overall
is just too rich for me. It's just too rich
for me for that kind of player.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
I think I would be more inclined if it was
like Brock Bowers two point zero. Now, Colson Lovelin's probably
the closest thing to that, but he had the you know,
the injury and the lack of sample size and all
that stuff, so he wasn't even quite Bronck powers either.
But that's Tyler Warren. I just don't see it happening.
I don't see the alignment. We're talking about need value,

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you know, all that kind of stuff sort of aligning
for them to make a pick at four. Overall, I
just don't necessarily see it with Tyler Warrent being the
best option there as they're talking about it on your station.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Yeah, I'm gonna say I looked up. This is all
I can bertrand for either showing Tyler world.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
He's a great player.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
That's a good block right there.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
I highlighted that block when we did the thing, did our.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Breakdown some breakaway speed.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
He's a very good player. I just I worry about
the history of tight ends. I worry about his age.
I just worry about a lot of those different types
of things. I'm not saying he's not gonna be good
in the NFL. I'm just saying I don't think he's
the right pick for the page.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Worried about his floor. I actually feel pretty good he's
gonna be good player in the NFL. I just don't
know he's gonna be a great player in the NFL.
That's where I like, I think, how much better is
and he's good, he's good. Is he gonna get much
better than he is right now? That's what I wonder.
When he is right now is a solid starting tight end? Yeah,
and he's actually a guy that might be immune to

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that whole late breakout thing for tight ends because he's older.
But that's where I'm like, just get a guy later,
red shirt him for a year, not really red shirtum,
let him play. And then that's why I think like
a guy like Mitchell Evans makes so much sense on
early on day three because if they removed from the
injury right, if they drafted Mitchell Evans, even is he
their best blocking tight end? The second he steps on.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
The field, he'd be a good tight end.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Yeah. So he's gonna have a role year one blocking
and then he's gonna get to grow and learn from
two great receiving tight ends and two great guys to
learn from veterans in Henry and Austin Hooper. And then
in a year or two when it's time to turn
the position over, he's already been playing and he has
some experience and now you get him full go. Like
that is such a perfect development plan to me, Mitchell Evans,

(59:52):
like that really is? There's other guys I like to
I would just say that's the guy I really want
for them.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Yeah, I like that pick too. On day three, I
wonder where exactly gunner Helm falls in this draft. I
know that he has reasons for why he ran so
poorly with the He had like an ankle thing to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Stop doing that. Kishan did stop running the forty on
spring ankle.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
But but I just wonder it's a deep class. There's
a lot of defensive talent in the in the class
two running back talent going to push some of these
guys down potentially, like if gunner Helm were to fall
to the fourth round, like I definitely would entertain.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
That he's another late breakout guy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Well, he had Jatavian Sanders in front of him at Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
That's the one where I got burned a tight end.
I thought Jatavian Sanders is gonna be sick.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Yeah, I thought he was a good player.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Where are you at just well, we're on tight ends? Yeah,
where are you at with Bryson Nesbit? We there has
not been nearly as much bryceon seventh round, Like you
think he's at low.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Yeah, he didn't run very well. Uh, he's kind of
a finesse player, but he's got a great report with
Drake may Uh, he's a seam runner, like I think
he still can do that sort of thing good red
zone feel to him as well. On that Drake may tape.
So I think that he's potentially an NFL player. I
just wouldn't use it a super high draft pick where

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he was also really light.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I want to ask you one more, where are you
at with Ronde Gadson? I reminder where he went to
school Syracuse. I haven't watched him yet. I still have
to do some of those deeper tight ends. A couple
of the guys that stood out to me though, the
kid from Alabama and Block, c J. Drip. Yeah, yeah,
he's not bad. Yeah, but you know who I want.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yeah, but he's a he's a true blocking ping in,
but he can block.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
I think if they're gonna go true blocking tight end.
So Drip's like a sixth, seventh round pick. Yeah, you
have all those sevens, you know, can you move up
a little bit or maybe you move down you end
up with a pick in the fifth I like Jackson
Hawes in Georgia Tech. That kid's mean. That kid's a bully.
He uh from Clemson. Dwayne Allen. Yeah, Like, I don't
know how they might throw them the ball. He might

(01:01:50):
be here four years. They might throw the ball five times. Yeah,
but he's going to contribute in a run game. I'll
tell you that much right now. You should watch Gadson.
He's an he converted wide receiver, very fascinating player. He
can do some more things than Nesbit, but he also
does some of the things Nesbit does well well. So

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if the Patriots want to get Drake may a player
like Nesbit who he succeeded with, but maybe they're not
sold on Nesbit, I wonder for er Andy Gatzon could
be that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, so I have to get to some of the
deeper tight ends. I've been doing some defense positions that
I haven't done, which we can talk about here in
the second hour some recent zy biased guys with that.
Just really quickly. I know that I want to get
to the emails and the calls, so a couple of
other things real fast. Christian Barmore sounds like trending in
the right direction at this point, and nothing against Christian

(01:02:42):
barmoer whatsoever. This is a hope for the best, expect
the worst kind of thing to me. If he's there,
fantastic for the worst, Yeah what I say, expect, Oh
prepare sorry if he's there, fantastic, But I do think
they need to add a player, not the first round necessarily,
but a player like him that can fill that role

(01:03:05):
in case he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Yeah, a go or at least a full go.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Yeah, thats a with bar More. I think that was
my list. You know, Travis Hunters, they talked obviously about
him a little.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Bit, but I have a thought on Vrabel and Wolf
both talked about Hunter Wolf did with k Adams. Yeah,
and I love the development plan that they laid out,
and it's what I've kind of talked about. And Vrabel
went a little bit further than Wolf didn't talking about it,
but mentioned him majoring in one position minory in another,

(01:03:36):
and also said that there's certain details at either position
that he is really going to have to hone to
hit his ceiling at the NFL level. It doesn't mean
it's a bad player, but it's just he's never fully
focused on one of these positions before. If you allow
him to do that and let him get where he
needs to be at one position, which in New England
should be wide receiver, and then once you feel comfortable

(01:03:57):
where he's at there, whether it's in six months, a year,
or two years, then you start to add in the
defensive stuff or the other whatever, River is the other
side of the ball, Like that's how they should do it.
I and Wolf talked about that as well. I love
the development plan and they laid out for Travis Hunter.
Hypothetical obviously, but I mean, if they're gonna take him,
it seems like, Okay, here we go, this is the blueprint.

(01:04:21):
And I think that's have I not been talking about
that since like October? Yeah, that that's exactly how they
chandled it. So loved, loved what they said about Travis Hunter. Yeah,
I agree with all that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Some quarterback rumors, Aaron Rodgers to Pittsburgh sounds like a
done deal. There's kind of timing and contract negotiation and
all that time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Apparently he's like set to be on McAfee next week
I think, or not that McAfee's doing a show in
Pittsburgh or something like it's gonna get announced uff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's so waiting for Yeah, it feels like
that is coming. It also feels like unless Cleveland does
draft Shador Sanders, that Kirk Cousins to Cleveland sounds like
you think it's in that order. I think that he
wants to not get Michael Pennix again and is trying
to avoid that situation repeating itself. So my guess is

(01:05:09):
that Kirk Cousins waits till after the draft to pick
his destination, and whoever is left without a chair in
the quarterback musical chairs, we'll get Kirk Cousins, would be
my guess.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
But we'll see about that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
And then your boy Joe Milton in the rumors a
little bit so some more Joe Milton still, I think
is mass live their duo there Mart Daniels and Karen
reporting that there have been calls or have been offers
for Joe Milton, and I think the biggest thing to
me with Joe Milton, I've been consistent on this. I

(01:05:44):
wouldn't trade himunless it's for a Day two pick. If
you get blown away with an offer second third round pick,
I would take it. The only reason why I would
trade him. And I didn't read the full story, so
if this is misquoting, I apologize, But what I the
excerpt that I saw mentioned that Joe Milton might want
to be someplace where he has more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Of a path to the start. I don't think that
was like so much immediately demanding a trade as it was.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Not immediately demanding a trade.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Eventually he won, Like he knows he's not gonna be
the starting back here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
I do wonder how much for Vrabel, who's big on culture,
big on the energy of the room, all that kind
of stuff, Josh Dobbs has no expectations whatsoever of being
a starter. He's a veteran backup quarterback, exactly what you want,
you know, for a young QB. I wonder if maybe
they get to the point where they feel like there's

(01:06:34):
a little bit too much tension there. Well, I also want,
like know Max Zones Bailey's and we talked.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
About this during the draft, and you would talk to
people in Tennessee about this, how great Joe Milton is
in these situations. And he had the one game against Buffalo,
but he went through this in Tennessee where he was
supposed to be the starter, got beat out by Hendon Hooker,
and he was incredibly supportive of Hendon Hooker throughout all that. So,
like he seems character wized like a guy Mike Rabe
would want around. Yeah, has that changed in a year? Maybe?

(01:07:00):
But is it? Hey just give us like we're gonna
give you a chance but just give us time to
find the right you know, the right deal. Somebody has
a quarterback at hurting camp. Maybe somebody doesn't get the
quarterback they want the draft, they don't get cousins. They
shouldn't be in a rush. You're not trading Joe Milton
just to trade Joe Milton. Should be trading Joe Milton
because somebody makes it worth your while, or because he
puts too much pressure on you that you have to
do it all right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Very last thing, and this one's kind of tongue in cheek.
Ben Johnson, my guy, the head coach of the Chicago Bears,
a head coach in the NFL mentioning EPA, Alex, how
did that make you feel watching Ben Johnson give an
honest answer about how the most important stat in football

(01:07:42):
is expected points added? What do you have a care
to comment on this? Because you always told me that
nobody in the league actually uses EPA.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I didn't say that, and I said they'd be wrong
to I now a head coaches, I never said nobody
use it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Now a head coach in the NFL at the league
meetings is saying that the most important stat in football
is expected points added on pass attempts. Passing EPA is
the most important. You win eighty percent of the games.
The team with the higher passing EPA wins eighty percent
of the time. So everybody's goal should be passing efficiency.
That doesn't Let's make sure everybody understands. That doesn't mean

(01:08:19):
passing volume. There's a difference. It doesn't mean throw it
fifty times, right, it means so how many of those
teams efficient passing team?

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
What was the Patriots EPA when they threw the ball?
Passing EPA when they threw the ball three times and
beat the Bills in Buffalo? Wasn't good? It wasn't no.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
So that was a they had who had what one completion?

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
How it had been good?

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
I don't know how this made up stat works. You
tell me when it's on the scoreboard, and I'll tell
you that it matters, okay, And I hope Bears fans
are ready some of the time. I hope Bears fans
are ready for the inevitable. They lose a big game
and heartbreaking fashion, and Ben Johnson gets asked, what you
know we would have changed, and he says, well, you know,
our EPA was good, so we just need to keep
doing it that way. Well, if it's a playoff game,

(01:08:59):
you don't get to keep it that way because your
season's over. The only coach who can get away with
that technique, there's one coach that answers questions that way. Pee,
there's one question, love it. There's one coach that you're
gonna like this. There's one coach that answers questions that
way can get away with it, and that's Joe Mizzula.
When he goes up there when the Celtics looms and says, well,
you know, we we liked our looks, so we'll just

(01:09:19):
keep Well, he also has like the Bears aren't exactly
the Celtics roster wise.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Okay, I don't know if it's going to be successful.
I don't like, I don't know if Ben John's going
to have the talent. I don't know if they're going
to you're to your point, like, I don't know if
he's going to be successful in Chicago. But the exact
name I was going to bring up, I was going
to cross sports and I was going to bring up
Joe Mizzula, who is a big believer and expected outcomes
right like in terms of you know, shots.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Joe Mizzoola is also a big believer in having two
of the top what ten players in the league on
his roster.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
I'm not disagreeing. All I'm telling you is is that
these people believe you can.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Make any philosophy work with Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, christops Porz,
Drew Holiday. I'm leaving get there at big Al Chris
I said, I thought, I said them. All I am
telling you is that we live in We live in
an expected kid get the starting center. We live in
an expected world right now?

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
We expected?

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
We don't. We live in reality. We live in the world.
That was loud. We live in the reality world. That's
the whole point. There, you go. We don't live in
the expected world. We live in the reality world. Did
you win the game or not? Did the shot go
in or not? Did you complete the paths or not?
You can't sit there under the game that you lose
and say, well, no, that pass a corner of the math.
That pass should have been completed, so we're fine it wasn't.

(01:10:38):
Why figure it out. Fixes. Don't just say the numbers
will fix themselves, because it's so ridiculous. It's not ridiculous.
Everything in the closet.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
If you expect stick to your process right, and you
do what you know, you do it over and over again,
and you stick to it and you're consistent with it.
The whole point of it is is that eventually, if
you are shooting a bunch of threes, but a bunch
of them are open, they will eventually go in. And
if you have good shooters, Yeah, one night one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Of half night shooters is a big if.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
But one off night in March might happen. Well, actually
one every game in March, but one off night in
January or might happen right, But over the course of
a season and over a course of a playoff run,
you will win the vast majority of your game.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
What happens when and we've seen the thunder do this
to the Celtics. What happens when somebody figures out a
way to counter that x's and o's I agree, you can't.
I agree. A lot of these guys don't pivot. And
that's what my problem is. If if if they figure
out a way to counter what he's doing, because now
he doesn't have Pinay soul, and he doesn't have that's

(01:11:53):
different Brown, that's personnel, But he doesn't. This is you
can't go up there after a loss and say, well,
our EPA was good, so we feel good about what
we did. What happens when the vikings right, No, Brian
bran Flores get hired. Why can't I remember he's the
defensive cod What happens when Brian Floores, who's like an

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actual good football coach, goes up there and comes up
with the scheme that counters the strategy? Yeah, I know
you are the strategy that Ben Johnson thinks is a
good EPA. Okay, But what happens when you're really going
to just go up there and be like, well, no,
the EPA still works. We're not going to change anything.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
So the difference is in this scenario with football specifically,
I think makes it different than basketball. Basketball there are
situations high leverage situations too at the end of games,
but truly over the course of four quarters, it's really
not until the very end of the game that it's
a high leverage situation when it's close.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
In the regular season, on the playoff playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
I would say in football it's different because you have
third and fourth downout the game or high leverage situations.
I think what happened with the Lions is that they
were so aggressive on for down to a fault, especially
two years ago in the NFC Championship game. So that's
that's your argument, right, It's can those guys when situation
comes down to it and Kyle Shanahan has a ten

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point lead in the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl,
can they close it out?

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Can they call the game to close it out? But
the point that that Ben Johnson was making is really
nothing different than what Mike Rabel said in his introductory
press conference, and that's why I wanted to make sure
it was clear. We're not talking about volume of passers.
We're talking about having an efficient passing game.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Efficient like you shouldn't eed math.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
If you want to measure that by e PA, you
want to measure that by passer rating, like passer rating differential,
like what you give up and what you you know,
score in terms of passer rating on offense is also
a very indicative stat of winning. But what I like
so much about what he said the most, and it's
gonna go right up. I'm so excited to tell you this.
The most exciting part about it was that he said

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that pass EPA has overcome or surpassed, I should say
an importance turnover differential, which I am just in love
with that line. That is a fantastic, fantastic thing to
hear an NFL head coach actually know the numbers and
know that this is the facts of the matter right
now in the league. So all turnovers are bad. No

(01:14:19):
one wants to turn the ball over. No one's advocating
for turn the ball over. But if you're holding back
to you know, protect the football and you know, run
clock and control the game and YadA ya, if you're
doing all that stuff to a detriment of your passing game,
then you were also not going to be successful doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
So I just I loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
I loved every second of that answer from Ben Johnson.
I also knew it was gonna get you riled up,
so I had to bring it up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
But that was cool.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
It was cool to hear a head coach in the
NFL talk like that. Whether you like it or not,
is a total side.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
We'll see what happens when they're negative in the turnover
margin halfway through the season out of a playoff spot.
If you're still talking about that, we'll leave the ep
They'll be fine.

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the phones. I'm sorry we've been keeping you on hold,
but I had to get that Ben Johnson thing in
there just to rile Alex up. Patty is an ago on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
What's up? Patty? Patty?

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
Patty? Are you still thereat?

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Go ahead?

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Patty?

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
All right? What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
So I want to cover a few things. I'll go
quick so you can see the out of collars. First thing,
I would not be surprised if Mike Brabel when they're
having this voluntary workout, what is it the seventh I
think yes, he is a very close eye on who's
paying attention, who's working hard. And it's subsequently like if

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we see them take two receivers in the draft, I
think that's probably a good indication that like one or
two of the receivers wasn't taken the voluntary program too. Seriously,
I don't know. That's just something that that popped inside
my feeble head, you know. The second thing I want
to do, and then I'll end with the question for
you guys. I'm going to give you guys a list
of four names, and I want you to tell me

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not likely, likely, or extremely likely that the Patriots would
draft these guys. The first one, Jack Sawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Likely, Yeah, I'd agree with that. On the list.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Second one, Cody Simon.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
He's gonna get drafted. I don't know. I can see
his Patriots at lineback from Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Yeah, I haven't heard much buzz about him getting drafted.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
He I could see them being interested either late or
is he UDFA I could see them being interested in him,
right the lineback from Ohio State, that's what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Yeah, yeah, okay, he kind of fits their mold smaller.
I think he six but one five Yeah, yeah, was
the MVC defensive MVP of the National Championship Game and
plus the Ohio State ties. I think it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Maybe at that tick two thirty eight, or like you said,
maybe he goes undrafted and they they bring him in.
Last two guys, yep, Drew Kendall likely, very likely.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Yeah, there's a lot of u of Drew Kendall hype
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Yeah, becoming a popular name. Thanks for the colle had
more fourth guy come off last week too. I'm sorry,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Go ahead, all right, Yeah, don't hang up on me
because I do have a question after Okay, the last one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Yeah, same thing, likely.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
All right? Yeah, I would love Drew Kendall to be
our future center. I would love to see him get
taken this year. So the question is, will Campbell is
the pick at number four? They're gonna pick a wide
receiver with the second pick, whether it be trade up,
both of you guys, give me your ideal guy, and
I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Off the air to trade up from the second round.
So I'll give you two yeah, or just to I
think he meane like if they take Campbell as the
next pick, either trade up or staying at thirty eight. Yeah,
if they trade up, it's Matthew Golden. I don't even
know is Golden going to go where they can realistically
get up to I.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Have a take on gold It doesn't sound like it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Okay, So then, honestly, you know, I'm kind of starting
to like a little bit more. I think I think
stay at thirty eight and get him. You might have
to move up like within the second round. Can they
do the inverse of the trade they made with the
Chargers last year to get up from like thirty eight
to thirty three or thirty four? Is Elik a Omanner
from Stanford? Yeah, I kind of come around on him
a little bit. Is like there's something there. I don't

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I don't put him in the same tier as like
Golden or Ibuka or Burden. But if they're gonna stay
at thirty eight, and those are those guys all go
in the first round and they're gonna trade up a
little bit in the second, you know, Trey Harris is
in there too, but I think a manner of a
little more juice in his game, Like I think his
upside it's a little higher. I wouldn't hate them taking
that shot.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Yeah, that was it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Okay, I don't want to cut you off.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Thank thanks, Patty thinks I got call as always really
quickly on on your manner since you brought him up. Yeah,
I actually really liked his tape when I watched it. Yeah,
and then you kind of dig into some of you know,
the separation metrics and some of the contested catch starts
with all that, it's his His separation is not great,

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it's not high end. But what I really liked about
him was his release and you know, his uh, his
acceleration after the release, like he's got a little bit
of that down gear to him where he can get vertical.
Had tap against Travis Hunter a couple of years ago,
probably the best tape that anybody's had against cornerback Travis Hunter.
Him ortet, you know, really good, and so I I

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really liked him. It doesn't sound like it sounds like
we're kind of in the minority on him a little bit,
like I feel like he's kind of cooled. Yeah, to
maybe like a third round guy, fourth round guys. So yeah,
I think a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Wow. Yeah, I mean they can get him there, great, awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
But I think the main reason for that is just
some of the separation stuff. Doesn't love him. But we'll see, uh,
you know what, what the case may be there. He's
also not like totally like he's kind of new to football.
I remember talking to him at the Combine about this.
I think he's Canadian, I want to say. And I
think like hockey was a potential path for him for

(01:20:45):
a while and then he decided to focus on football.
I believe that I have that story right, So I
think that there that was a piece of it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
I don't taking a shot on a guy like that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
No, I think he's got really good film. They a
player that I compared him to a little bit. Just
when I say this name, everybody thinks of the Patriots version,
think of the Pittsburgh version of Juju Smith Schuster. Yeah,
old Juju Smith Schuster. All right, I just say young
Juju Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
He went a man, went high school in mass Jesses.
He was a deep deerfield academy. How totally missed that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a that's like, you know, one of
the three good football programs in Massa.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Chusets high school football.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
All right, Tim is in Seattle. It's up, Tim, Hey.

Speaker 7 (01:21:33):
I was gone, guys. Hey, So I was hoping that
one or both of you could kind of touch on
Ariante Erstrie and sort of his performance against you know,
elite defensive ends at the left tackle position, if you know,
obviously I do Carter being the most recent or relevant

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I guess in this draft, and then kind of compare
that to some of the top end talents that Campbell's
facing the SCC and you know what the gap is
between those two players based on the tape of the
last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Yeah, sure, thanks for the college. Thanks thanks for the
call to him. You're bigger story guy. Yes, he's your
type of player. Yep, big dude, yep, big guy block people.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Well, but he's he's really athletic too. He's not like
he's not Holling Pears, who's just big.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Yeah, So like he's also really athletic. He's really athletic.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
He was on who does the Freaks List? Is it
Brugler does the Freaks List?

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
No, it's uh Bruce Felman.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Yeah, if you don't know, Bruce Flman every year does
like the College Football Freaks List, and it's exactly what
it sounds like, the guys that are like insane athletes.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
I think he was on it twice, so, uh, he's
a I see a lot of really good movement in
the run game with him. I think there's a little
bit of ways to go there. In pass protection, I
have some concerns about you know, pad level, hand places,
man strike timing thing, you know, just like technical stuff.
He balks high like he's kind of like one of
these guys that comes over like this and like blocks up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
I don't know Trent Brown, Yeah, like Trent Brown Orlando Brown,
like those bigger tackles that aren't exactly nimble but are
really hard to go right through and you know, have
enough of a kick out of their stands. I think
that's probably where his athleticism and pass protection shows up
the most, is he's, uh, he kicks out of his
stands really nicely.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
If you if you watch him against Carter, Carter keeps
just trying to get deep on him. He's just trying
to go straight up field and the end and he's
able to stay with Carter a lot in that game
going back with them until eventually Carter realized it wasn't
gonna work. But like, that's not for guy that size
to move backwards like that. Yeah, No, he's not easy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
He's got a good kick kick out of his stands,
like he gets some real uh covers a lot of
ground there, which makes the guy go around, you know,
further away from the quarterback and keeps that leverage. I
would just say, you know, there's a couple of times
on film where he lets guys into his chest. He
should not be getting bull rushed. Yeah, at that size,
he does get bull rushed on occasion. And his redirect

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like his ability to change directions and slide his feet
isn't great, isn't high end. I wouldn't say, but he's
a great run blocker. He's a punishing run blocker, A
kind of a weapon, honestly in that area, like Minnesota
would move him around like they'd play him in some
unbalanced lines and move him to the right side, like
goal line and things like that and just run right

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behind nurserie just to get you know, punch the ball in.
I like his tap a lot. I just don't know
if he's going to be a great pass protector in
the league. He's probably gonna be one of those guys
that's a really good run blocker and just an adequate
pass protector.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
He is probably like in an ideal world, I think
he'd be a right tackle. Yeah, but he's a guy
that I would give a shot at left tackle. And
if that doesn't work, he moved him over for Morgan Moses.
But yeah, I mean he's got some tremendous tools. You
give him to Doug Marone. I do think that there's
a like he could be. He's not going to be
Joe Thomas, but he can be starting left tackle in

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the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Yeah, I agree. I I you know, kind of kicked
around a couple of comms with him. You know, Brandon
Thorne has Bobby Massey. I'm not super familiar with Bobby Massey.
It goes back a little bit too far from me.
But you know, like I think all those big tackles.
You know, he's not quite as big as Trent Brown
or Orlando Brown, but I think he's kind of plays
this a way, right. I think both those guys are

(01:25:25):
in a similar category. All Right, Don is in Philly.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
What's up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Don Hey, guys, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Yes? Go for it.

Speaker 8 (01:25:34):
Okay, got two hypothetical draft questions for you. If first
one should just be a quick.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Yes and no.

Speaker 8 (01:25:40):
Second one may be a little more detailed. But let's
say the Browns do end up getting Kirk Cousins, and
that may be it might make the more entice to
take Travis Hunter too. That leaves Abdull Carter still there
at three. If the Giants don't feel humforable taking Abdull

(01:26:02):
Carter doesn't fit the system and they feel it's a
little too rich for shudor there. Do you think it's
crazy for the pass to call the Giants and say, hey,
we'll give you two or two third round picks to
move up one, yes and secure Carter?

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Because if the Giants you're gonna aren't gonna take them,
what are you doing. Nobody's gonna pay the quarterback tax
to trade up unless they want the quarterback Like, and
this is I know it's gonna be us No. But
the same thing I've heard people say, like, well, if
the Giants aren't, you know, why not trade up to
three to get with the Giants to get Travis Hunter?
Like why why aren't we talking more about the Patriots
trading up? Because one or two things is gonna happen.

(01:26:37):
Either the Giants want Travis Hunter Abdul Carter wherever's on
the board and they're not going to trade the pick,
or two they want the quarterback, in which case there's
no need to trade up because then you get the
guy at four. So yeah, the Patriots would not need
to do that. Call the Giants bluff, let him take Carter,
Let somebody else pay an exorbitant price to trade up.
I don't think either player is quite worth that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Where do you stand?

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Agreed? Thanks again? Question?

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Oh yeah, you're better at that to me?

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Go ahead, don what do you got?

Speaker 8 (01:27:06):
Sorry about that?

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
All right?

Speaker 8 (01:27:07):
So last one, more realistic option is obviously Carter and
Hunter being off the board, which leaves us either saying
we're going still position or we're going to tackle. And
for this, let's just say they go Campbell. What's a
better floor for the Patriots if you know your top
five pick who's supposed to be a tackle is actually

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a great guard for your top five pick that's supposed
to be a number one wide receiver. Let's say Ted
ends up being a high end number two.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
That's a good question thanks to the call on So
what happens if what's better off guard Will Campbell or
wide receiver to Ted?

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
That's the question.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
I would say wide receiver to Ted is a little
bit better off, but that's just because wide receivers are
inherently more valuable than I think.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Wide receiver two is probably better usage of the pick.
But for like you can get wide receivers, I'm not
worried about them finding a wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
But yeah, guard, besides running back, you know, Garden running
back at the two least most valuable in.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
That So Campbell's still a better player in that scenario.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
Yeah, but it's just in terms of value. You know what,
what would you prefer? I would prefer the wide receiver too.
I've said it before, and I I there was a
question about Tet that I want to get to. So
it's a good segue. But I've said it before. You know,
I don't think it's the worst case scenario that if
they were to draft Ted McMillan, even if he doesn't
end up being your Jamar Chase, but if he's your

(01:28:34):
T Higgins, you know, you can still get Jamar Chase
next offse So talking.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
About him as like a T. Higgins wide receiver too great, Like, yeah,
that's obviously, that's obviously Like I think more like if
he's like a even Jordan Addison's probably a little rich
for what I'm trying to say, like a true George Pickens,
George Pickens even kind of yeah, George Pickens and George

(01:28:59):
Pickens versus if Will Campbell is like Quentin Nelson, right,
who would you rather have George Pickens or Quentin Nelson?

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Probably Quentin Nelson. But but you're talking about maybe, so
maybe that's too rich. But I hear what you're saying, Yeah,
Joe Toney.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Yeah, Like if he's like a wide receiver two, that's
a wide receiver two because the team is a really
good wide receiver obviously, Yeah, I'm taking him. But if
he's yeah, I can't I get like the put this
way the kind of wide receiver two that doesn't come
to your head right away, because he is a very
true wide receiver too. If he's that kind of player,

(01:29:39):
If he's Alan Lazard, Yeah, if he's Alan Lazard or
you're getting you know, a top five Guarden football, who
would you rather have top five guard. Yeah, that's more
how I looked at that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
So the other question that came up about Ted, we
had a few emails about this, this video that's gone
viral of his of him saying that he doesn't like
watching film.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
Oh yeah, we say it doesn't like watching football.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Yeah, he doesn't like watching football, doesn't like watching film.
I try not to overreact too much that kind of stuff.
Each each guy's wired differently, Each guy has a different approach.
I think I would think that Rabel would prefer the junkie, yes, right,
the guy that is going to be you know, you
call it a Jim Ratt and basketball, you know, the

(01:30:22):
guy that's gonna be here constantly and working and grinding
and watching film and studying and all that kind of stuff.
So I don't know if Ted McMillan is talented enough
to not have that element. But at the same time,
I'm not like completely throwing him off the board because.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
Of it either. Yeah, he still said he watches the film,
needs to watch, right, he just doesn't do it on
his own afterwards. Yeah, there's other you know, we see
a ton of workout videos for him. Maybe he's more
an on field workout guy. Yeah, that probably doesn't play
well for Mike Rabel. Yeah, as a whole, it doesn't
necessarily change my outside of the quarterback position, like quarterback, center, linebacker,

(01:31:00):
maybe corner. It's not as much of a red flag
as it maybe initially sounds like if a quarterback said that,
that's a whole other conversation. That's a massive red flag.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
So like with Ted McMillan too, he has you know,
Kyler Murray, right, you got it right in the contract
that can.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
That's that's or Jameis Winston they gave the blank DVD.
My my favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
Well, what I like, you know is that it's next
level now because of the technology, So players get iPads
now and it actually tells screen time, like how long
the iPad has been open, you know, so like teams
can actually monitor, uh, if the players are doing their homework.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
I'd also say, I get that. You give JaMarcus Russell
the DVD, you tell them to come back the next
day and tell you what's on it. Yeah, yeah, there's
nothing on it because you can open up the iPad
and just leave the screen open, right, you could do
that and count that's right. He didn't even put that
thing in to see what was on there. I would
also Marcus Russell.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Nowadays, they've streamlined the film watching process so much for
these players, where especially at those positions where you're one
on one with somebody specifically most likely like they could
say that, you know, I'm just I'm not saying he
doesn't watch film. I'm just using him as an example.
They could say to Christian Gonzales, you got Jamar Chase
this week, So here are all of the cups of
Jamar Chase, you know, And it could be they can

(01:32:13):
whittle down four games to thirty minutes so he doesn't
have to sit there and watch for five hours. It's
a you know, a one hour project instead. So I
think there's a lot of ways around that, especially for
non quarterbacks. Yeah, Curtis emails in here. I actually think,
you know, he makes a decent point here. He says that, well,
I don't disagree with this, but he said that he

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doesn't want to leave left tackle to just one draft pick,
like you know, it's Will Campbell and you sit and
forget it and you're you're all good. So he's wondering,
you know, about double dipping at tackle and who are
some of the guys that we like later on in
the draft double dip. We talked a little bit about that,
you're Holland Peters guy because he's big.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Well, I'll say this, so they're gonna double dip a
left tackle specifically. Yeah, I like Hallan Pierce. He's he
is a right tackle. He is and if they want
to draft him to develop him behind Morgan Moses, I
would be all for that. If they want to get
another left tackle later. So, like I guess Jacoby was undrafted, right,
but they Nikhil Harry and they Jacoby Myers, and Jacoby
was the one who worked out. Yeah, Carson Vincent Alabama

(01:33:15):
and M four years of starting experience, had a really
good Senior Bowl. I think his game translates well. He's
very technically skilled, he has the athleticism, he has the size,
all that he just it's a jumping level and he
maybe his ceiling is a little lower because he's an
older prospect coming from the FCS. FCS, But if they're
gonna be like, all right, we're gonna take well Campbell

(01:33:36):
at the top, we want to add another left tackle
in the mix. Carson Vincent Alabama, A and M. That's
my guy. Yeah, I like him. He might be able
to play some guard too, so he gives you some flexibility. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
I liked him as maybe as a left guard, which
I thought would would help tackle. I think you could
play tackle, but I think you know, he could play either,
and maybe bring him in and let him compete at.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Both spot and oh yeah, no, I get him in
the building, have him do whatever. I think he'd be
a good guy to get building.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
I'm still not one hundred percent sold at Anthony Belton
is going to go as as high as everybody thinks
he is. Yeah, I think he's still a little bit
more of a project to me. Another guy that I
think there's really the Trent Brown copy. Another guy that
I think is probably right tackle. Yeah, but he's uh,
I just I think he's got some things he's gotta
he's gotta work on technique wise, I don't think he's
you know, you're gonna draft a guy in the top

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one hundred, you're probably thinking that he's going to be
at least a starter by his second year in the league.
I I don't know if Anthony Belton will be, you know,
a starter period. Like I still think there's some boomer
bus there, so maybe it's not as deep as you know.
Vincent's probably more fifth, sixth round, like Belton's probably third,
fourth round somewhere around there. I mentioned Charles Grant from

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William Mary. He's probably gonna be a fringe top one
hundred guy. Yeah, that will just be about you know,
level of competition if teams.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
He's kind of day to Carson Vincent. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
So you know, just looking at it, like Nick sel
Deveri from a couple of years ago, he was an
early fourth round pick. I think he might have been
the first pick of the fourth round. You know, smaller
school guy similar ding, you know, stands out on tape.
Amongst the rest of those guys. There was one other guy, oh,
Jalen Rivers from Miami. I think that he's probably a guard,
but he's big, he's got long arms, like, he's got

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you know, decent feet like I think he's probably a
tackle slash guard, you know, like kind of like a
Mike on winhu Ish type player. But he might have
some potential there as well, you know, mid mid rounds,
you know, fourth, fifth round, something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
There's nothing we got from Elliot Wolf by the way,
with Felger that if there was any wonder Michael Won,
who's the right guard? Oh good, So that's well you
never know with him, Like you say that kind of sarcastically.
But how many times have we thought good Mike on Win,
who finally has his position and then he changed? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
All right, So this is a question from Curtis, I
think is a good way to kind of whittle this
down of our takes on these on this class. Okay, so, uh,
every player is on the board, we're making the pick.
You're in the GM, you're in the GM chair. Ye,
give me your top four right now?

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
So like if quarterbacks go one, two, three, basically sure, yep,
look at that one for the Patriots, just Alex Bark
general manager. Oh as a whole, if I'm just setting
aboard as a whole, Yeah, Carter Hunter, Genty, Campbell, Okay,
what if you're the Patriots specifically Campbell Memboo instead of

(01:36:31):
Gent Yeah, I feel like I kind of feel the
same way I have. And then I probably Tet I
think would probably be the fifth guy.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
I thought about that, you know, if it would be
Warren or it would it be Tet. You know, I
feel like both those guys kind of for different reasons.
I'm between the two of them.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Also, Yeah, I go Tet because he's a little bit younger,
he has more upside, and just that the value of
that wide receiver position honestly might have Jalen Walker up
there too.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
Yeah, I have Jalen Walker high too. So you know,
I'm starting to have the spreadsheet every year. Yeah, I
should have it out soon ish. I'm starting to come
to an end here, thankfully spent like all weekend grinding
defensive linemen just to get through it all. And I
have right now, I have you know, way I do it,

(01:37:24):
you know, different like tiers, like a grade scale. Right,
And I have three guys that I would consider blue
chip prospects in this draft. I looked, you know, made
sure I had the accurate number. I had eight last
year in that draft. So you know, our two drafts ago,
I guess you want to call it that. You know,
Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake may Neighbors, Harrison the Dunees,

(01:37:46):
ay All brock Bowers. Eight guys. Yeah, in this draft
I have three Hunter Carter Genty, Yeah, Hunter Carter genty
And that's it. So I think the fourth spot i'd
probably give the Campbell. I think he's probably the fourth best.
But they're just from a grade in the board, like
real grade, there is a drop off.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
They drop off from three to four significantly. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
And I heard Ryan Poles the Bears GM talking about
this yesterday at the league meetings and he just said,
you know, echoed what everybody else is echoing. This is
one of those drafts where there's like three premium blue
chip players at the top and then from like four
to he said, almost all the way to one hundred.

(01:38:28):
Like it's it's like all just really solid NFL starting
caliber talent, but not not special. Yeah, And it's just
one of those types of drafts. And I think, you know,
just in my process just going through it, it's it's
quite a remark, Like I have so many guys that
I feel like are like second third round grades, right, Like,

(01:38:50):
just like so many and usually you project those guys
to be eventual starters in the league, solid NFL starters
probably you know, more like complimentary to solid starting type
of caliber players. But there's there's a lot of them
in this There's probably you know, upwards of seventy five
of those guys in this draft, so you know, having
those that extra third round pick is nice for the Patriots.

(01:39:12):
But I also just mentioned, you know, this is why
when we talk about trade downs, like it's just it's
not the year where you're gonna get the value right
to be trading down because everybody feels the same way
about the board. Like everybody feels the same way. So
it's tough, all right, But yeah, I think we're together
on that. I think, you know, genty Cars and Hunter
on their own, and then Campbell is the next best prospect.

(01:39:33):
All right, let's go back to the phones here. Mark
is in Connecticut. What's up, Mark?

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Guys? How you've been good? Good?

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
We're doing I don't not bad any word on. A
buddy of mine was just talking about this that the
Browns and the Dallas Cowboys might be talking about a
trade of quarterbacks and the number two pick. Didn't know
if you guys had heard about that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
And yeah, I think that that was shot down.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
Okay, very good.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
The other thing was, what is the realistic possibility if
again Abdua Carter and Travis Hunter are off the board,
that they can move down to eight or nine and
pick Penn State tight end. What is the realistic possibility
that they can make that happen again a second round pick?
If you guys got any intel on that, or is

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the kind of they're gonna probably have to stick and pick?

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
Thanks for the call, Mark, What do you think? I mean?
I don't know if trying to think of there, I
don't know if if Tyler Warren gets to eight or nine, Yeah,
to begin with, does is a second round pick? Would
it costs to move back that far? Maybe I'd like
to get a little more than that in that scenario.
I think the trades more realistic. I don't know that

(01:40:50):
Warren gets to nine.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Well, we keep talking about the class in the same way,
and with Warren getting to nine, it's just who's going
in between? Right and we know this class doesn't have
the blue chip talent like I just so.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
He's ten on the consensus board right now. But that's
with both quarterbacks going high. Is he gonna go ahead
of Mason Graham? I think that's a coin flip, is he?
Or is Mason Graham gonna go ahead of him? I
think that's a coin flip. Is Teed McMillan gonna go
ahead of him. I think that's a coin flip. They're
genty in there too, Like, so that's what four players

(01:41:26):
including Shitter a lot a lot would have to go
their way. And it's also so I was thinking about
this the other day and I kind of brought up
earlier on the show, and let me ask you this, Right, So, okay,
Hunter and Carter gone, they like Membo and Campbell and
they figure, okay, like we can move back and maybe
they like you know, Jalen Walker two or genty two
or whatever. Yeah, it's like, all right, you know, there's
three or four players we take here. We will move

(01:41:48):
back a couple of spots and we'll be good, but
the offers maybe aren't there. So let's say it's moving
back like with the Raiders at six even just two spots, Like,
at what point if the Raiders off for you a
fourth are you doing that for just a fourth round pick?
Or at that point are you gonna keep the choice
you have and take the guy you really want? You know,
they'll get an offer, but are you gonna I don't

(01:42:10):
know what the offer is gonna be there that's gonna
be worth giving up that choice?

Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
Yeah, I think the only way that you get an
offer that is really worth considering in terms of a
value for the pick. Yeah, is if Hunter or Abdul
Carter falls in your lap and some team offers you
a Will Anderson esque package. I'm still in the camp

(01:42:35):
that we might say no to it. But I'm just saying, like,
I don't think the pick is gonna have any value
unless that's the scenario that we're talking a right, and
so when I hear you know, the two things that
I think have frustrated me the most about this because
I like to sometimes you know, yeah, have access to
crime in this situation. The two things I've heard the
most in this draft season that have frustrated me to
no end, trade down. Everybody wants to trade down. The

(01:42:59):
whole world wants to trade down. Nobody wants to pick
where they're at right now, including maybe the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Like, literally nobody wants to make the Did you see.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
This one was going around yesterday on Twitter? We should
trade back. There's no good value left where my team
is drafting. But I'm sure another team would like to
give up assets to move up to the same spot.
I think, Yeah, we're all at right now.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
Yeah, it's just there's if we all agree that there's
nobody worth taking at four overall. Yeah, if Abdul Carter
and Travis Hunter are off the board, the whole league agrees.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
So why would anybody get up adding a set? Now
you moved out of nine or ten, you're missing on
a lot of players that you're probably missing on both tackles,
you're you're missing. I think you're gonna miss on gent D,
you might miss on Warren. Like, is a second round
pick enough for you to do that? Yeah? No, it's
not for me. Just a second round pick. I I

(01:43:52):
don't think for me either. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:54):
The other thing that's been annoying drive this entired process, Well,
you're gonna take a tackle that high? You know, I
like him to be you know, Anthony Munos or Orlando
Pace or Joe Thomas, and it's like same, Like obviously
everybody would like it to be a Hall of Fame

(01:44:14):
caliber tackle. They don't exist in this draft, Like, those
guys don't exist. So if you're taking Will Campbell out
and you're saying I'm not taking him or I'm not
taking Armand Membu because he's not Jonathan Ogden, Right, So
I'm taking him out. I mean, I'm gonna draft Teed McMillan. Well,
Teed McMillan's not Julio Jones, So it's the same thing, right, Like,

(01:44:37):
there's no blue chip player outside of those two guys
in this draft and genty at four overall to take
at tackle, So like, you can't you can't just say, oh, well,
I wouldn't take a tackle that high unless he's gonna
be Jonathan Ogden.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
Well, in this draft, there is no Jonathan. I've said
this to you. If and very different players stylistically, Yeah,
but if Will Campbell or armand Membu becomes Nate Solder, right,
he's a solid starting left tackle here for ten years,
Matt Like, fine, excuse me, fine, Matt Light he's here
for ten years. Maybe he's not making Pro Bowls, but

(01:45:11):
he's not a guy we're talking about needing to replace. Right,
If you feel good that he's your left tackle and
a great locker room guy, yeah, both are. If you
get that guy at four in this draft. This might
not apply next year. A not picking up four next year, yeah,
but in this draft, if you get a guy who
plays left tackle here for eight or ten years, set
it and forget it, and that's it. I'm good with that.

(01:45:35):
I am perfectly fine with that. That is a win
for me. Yeah, And is the is that setting the
bar too low? I don't know. Maybe look at this draft,
I think that's kind of what you're hoping for. And
I'd rather get that at tackle then get that at receiver.
Whereas you look at next year, there's gonna be guys
so ceilings much higher than that. So I just that's

(01:45:58):
where I'm Matt, we're taking. Hey, the Red Sox is
sent a Christian Campbell like.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, Joe Thomas, you know, Anthony Munos,
like he's the names. I Well, if that's the guy
that you could draft at four, then you take the tackle.
It's like, no kidding, Yeah, great, like no kidding, you
would take a top five tackle of all time? Is
the only way that you're going to take the tackle
that high? Well, then this draft you're screwed, Like you
there's nobody for you to draft. You're me, You're right,

(01:46:25):
you're letting the clock run out on the pick you
know a couple of months ago? Right, like great, great plan?

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
Paul here emails in about wingspan. I have a I
have a tiny axa grib about this. So he asked,
you know, talking about Will Campbell the armley discrepancies thirty
three versus thirty two and five days from the combine,
and he asked, why we're not talking about wingspan, and uh,
you know that his wingspan is a bigger outliar, and
why we're not talking about both measurements. So I've actually,

(01:46:55):
you know, talked, asked around about the wingspan thing and
how much the wingspan thing is is really mattering. And
I got to be honest with you, outside of like
mock draftable charts where it just looks bad, that is,
wingspan is like all the way over here in the
you know, one percentile or whatever. I don't think a
ton of NFL teams of any idea or care about wingspans.

Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
I don't think it's a metric that anybody's really focusing
too much on length. And arm length is tangible, right,
Like you have to have extension, you have to have
arm length. You have to be able to you know,
get out to rushers, you have to like that's a
tangible thing of how this could impact the player. We
talk about wingspan we're talking about how much room he
takes up, like how wide of a body he has.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
How often are you in this position arms out wide
as a tackle, Like if you're here, something's gone wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
Yeah, maybe wingspan would be a little bit more important
for a guard. I was gonna say, just because of
the bigger bodies that you're taking up right exactly, but
at tackle. I just don't think that that. I think
a lot of this stuff and I don't mean to this.
I'm right with all of you, with all of you,
with a lot of this stuff though, is like we

(01:48:03):
talk a lot more about this stuff than people that
actually make decisions do.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
Was it wingspan or arm length we did with Drake
last year where it was like, you don't want the
quarterbacks wingspan to be too long because then it's the
ball has to travel further in the release, so it's
a longer release. We did that with the court. I
think it was that with the quarterback last year.

Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
I remember his wingspan or armlane. He also Drake has
smallish hands.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
I remember that. Yeah, that honestly, that I thought was
going to get more fight than it did. I think
at that point everybody just kind of knew he was
the pick. Yeah, there's no Kenny Pickett. He was within
the range. I bigger hands with Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
So Nick in Boston also brings up another point about
the tackles and said, you know, if Campbell fails at
left tackle, then he has to move inside the guard,
whereas if Membo fails at left tackle, you can flip
him back to right. So at least you're still getting
a tackle. I think there's some truth to that. Like,
that's probably the best Membo argument there is, is that

(01:48:59):
Membu's a tackle.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
I'm also a good player.

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
But yeah, yeah, but like besides, you know, bear to Campbell, Okay, yeah,
he Membu's a tackle. I don't know which side he's
a tackle on, but he's a tackle, whereas Campbell, we're
not one hundred percent sure that he's a full time tackle.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
He's not a right I'm not moving Campbell to right tackle. No, no, no,
it's not not No, I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying, like.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
That's he's either he's either a left tackle or a
left guard. Yeah, he's one of those two things, whereas
Membu is either a right tackle or a left tackle right,
and so at least he's a tackle. I think that's
the best Membo argument.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
Yep, I would agree.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Now that being said, you did just sign Morgan Moses
for three years. He's probably not going to play here
for three years at thirty four years old. It's probably
gonna be one or two. But is it the worst
case in the world. If Membu is the right tackle
next year, maybe more move on from Morgan Mogus Moses
a little bit quicker, I guess not. But you're still
not filling the left tackle hole right, so you're still.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
It's also if Campbell doesn't work out. If you find
out early that Campbell's not gonna work out at left tackle,
he's going to be your starting left guard this year. Yeah,
if you find out Membu's not gonna work out at
left tackle, so jac lath is your fourth round pick,
not gonna play, or you're just gonna have a bad
left tackle all year, fourth round pick, fourth overall pick,
not gonna play.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
Yeah, No, I mean that's it's jac Latham, right. Jacon
Latham played left tackle last year. Didn't look great.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
Well, I hope they don't force it. I would hope that,
you know, protecting Drake, they cut their losses and don't
put an incapable player out there.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
Yeah, but so member, it would ride the bench like
Morgan most is.

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
Gonna start, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so you either
have to play a bad left tackle or your fourth
overall pick doesn't play right. I don't know that I
think those are a great outcome.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
It's not a great outcome. I would say that most
teams have to play the bad left.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
Tackle and hope it gets better for seventeen games. You
just well you you can't have the fourth overall picks
and on the bench all year. Maybe not the franchise
quarterback running for his life.

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
Okay, but he's gonna he's gonna run for his life
if it's Venderian Lowe is just as much as he's
gonna somebody else.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
I mean, is there gonna be fair?

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
All right, let's take this last call and there's a
couple more emails we can get to. What's up, sal
How are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
Guys, how are you good?

Speaker 5 (01:51:13):
I'll be quick. I mean, this team uh needs offensive tackles.
I mean I cannot. I'm a season ticket holder. I
do not want to see Drake end up on his
back any more. Than he needs to be. But I
think with McDaniel's step, ball get out of his hands
a lot quicker. I thought my hope would be that
they can move from the fourth position, assuming that Campbell's

(01:51:34):
are is their only option there. I'm not crazy about
picking him. I would prefer that they move with a candidate.
If they cannot move, I would take Membo. I would
do whatever I could to get Josh Simmons and send
him for a year, for what over time it takes
to get him health healthy, and then eventually Memblee can
be the right tackle and Simmons could be her left tackle.
You know the rush about getting receivers, I'm not. I'm

(01:51:56):
not keen on receivers in the first round. Some of
the best receivers we have all later picked, you know,
Metcalf and AJ Brown and et cetera. I'll take care
of you.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
I'll listen to you guys off the years.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
So thanks for the call. Yeah, I think that sounds
not in the minority when it comes to just throw
as many things that tackled A Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
Problem, they can't have a first round pick that doesn't play.
I'm due on that. I've honestly come around more on
Simmons than I was before. I haven't seen the medical
That's the big worry for me. It's the medicals. Yeah,
talented player, but a lot of people I trust don't
seem bothered by it. But if the plan is all right,
we're in draft men but play at left tackle, and

(01:52:35):
then we're also gonna draft Josh Simmons and playment left
tackle next year, well and draft somebody else who helps
the football team instead of Simmons, and then just draft
another tackle next year. If you're drafting Josh Simmons, if
you're drafting Josh Simmons with the belief he's gonna play
this year, I'm on board. I don't love it. You
still need to add another left tackle because you don't

(01:52:56):
know when he's gonna be ready and how he'll look.
It's a significant injury. But like if if Josh, if
the doctors tell you, yeah, he'll be back this year, fine,
If Josh Simmons isn't going to be back until twenty
twenty six, but your logic is just, well, we need tackles,
so we'll take him now, we'll have him later, get
another player that helps you now, and then just take

(01:53:16):
a tackle next year. Yeah. Yeah, so that's that's what
They're just not in a great position to be red shirting, right.
I just I don't want them to red shirt a
first round pick.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
Yeah, it's just not in that spot. And look, just
based off of the film, and it was five games,
and I watched a little bit of twenty twenty three,
but he's worse than twenty twenty three, you know, based
off the five games he played in twenty four, I'd
have Josh Simmons is the third best tackle in the draft, right, Yeah, Campbell, Membo,
Josh Simmons. But there's a very small sample size. Yeah,
he's coming off a major injury. That is not an

(01:53:46):
easy injury to bounce back fro him with the torn
pateelo attendant. And not only is the sample size small,
it's against bad competition. So he dominated bad competition for
five games and then got hurt twenty snaps into the
game against Oregon. So A, I don't feel great about
red shirting and tackle, But B I also don't feel
great about betting a first round pick on five games

(01:54:08):
against Michigan State and Iowa.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
We're talking about the risk that comes with Campbell and
his builds in Membu in switching sides, Simmons is bigger
risk than either of them, and I don't necessarily think
he's not a first round pick. I just think for
the position the Patriots are in, if you're if you're
worried about Campbell in Membo because you want to mitigate risk,

(01:54:29):
well then pivoting that Josh Simmons is the answer. There's
still risk there too. Now you got to go to
Connolly Nursery. Let another team take the risk with Simmons.
I don't like the Niners at eleven make all the
sense of Niners. Chiefs like teams Niners specifically because he
can sit behind Trent Williams with each well Chiefs the.

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
Kid from the Niners, Jen Jalen Moore. Right, Oh yeah,
so they have him on a two year cond, Like
it makes a lot of sense for contenders like teams
like that that I can afford. You know, I don't know,
for example, you know, I think Simmons is probably left tackle,
but he could probably play either side, like in Philly.
You know, how much longer is Lane Johnson going to
play for?

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Right, Like and if Philly takes you know, kind of
like what the Patriots did with Matt Lytton Nate Solder,
like they take Josh Simmons and they let him recuperate
and whatever, they have one more great year out Elane Johnson.
Lane Johnson's been talking about retirement on and off, like
maybe that's the route that they go. So I'm with
you with Josh Simmons. If he had put together, if
he was healthy and he put together an entire season

(01:55:27):
and he was Ohio State's left tackle through the National
Championship game and played at the level that he played at,
I think we would be talking about him at four
overall but.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
He but he didn't, So you can't. He didn't. We
don't live in the expected world, live in reality.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
One last thing here. I know you only have a
couple more minutes, but.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
Well we have another thing we have to get to
too after the emails real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
Okay, this can wait till next show, So let's let's
get to your last thing.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
So I kind of gave everybody a little teaser after
the show last week because we were talking about running
back about this.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
We hyped this up a lot and it's not. It's
not gonna live love.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
We got off the air and we were still talking
about because we ended the show last week talking about
the running backs, and we Evan kind of sarcastically gave
a comp for Cam Scattabo that I actually think is
an unbelievable comp and it's truly Ever meant it kind
of as a slight and I think it's not just

(01:56:20):
it's complimentary. So and I gave you the option either
tweeted out or explained it on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Yeah, so I wanted to explain it on the show
because obviously this player played a different position, so it
doesn't like make total sense, right, But I was trying
to think of a awesome college player that just is
an awesome college player but not a great pro right like,
and like just one of those guys that just dominated
college football. And there's plenty of them, right, There's plenty

(01:56:46):
of other examples besides this guy, but the guy that
I came Wait, so you were talking about the running
backs as a whole. You said, what are the odds
one of these running backs is this player? And again
you meant it in terms of career arc but Scott
was Scatterbo.

Speaker 1 (01:57:00):
Or somebody else? You said, what are the odds scatter
Bow or was it just Scatterbo. I thought, there's somebody else,
there is this player who is Tim Tebow, right, So
I took that to mean, well, if Tim Tebow had
actually moved her running back like he should have, that
is kind of how runs the football. I know it's not,

(01:57:21):
but it's kind of perfect between bigger Tbo's bigger, but
the running style, the mentality, right, the whole Tim Tebow
fifteen minutes for the rest of our lives. Camp Scatabo
throwing up on the sideline and the Peach Bowl and
the Cotton Bowl or whatever it was like the it
kind of works. If Tim Tebow had actually played running back, Yeah,

(01:57:45):
I think he'd kind of be like a taller Cam
Scatabo stylistically, I do think. And Cam Scattabo, by the way,
did play some quarterback at Sacramento State, so he is
a wildcat threat. So I actually think in the Peach Bowl,
I think it's a really you it in a very
different way the way I chose to take it. It's
actually kind of spot on.

Speaker 3 (01:58:05):
So I meant it in terms of career arc right, Yeah,
Tim Tebow one of the best college football players of
all time, but was not NFL caliber as a quarterback,
especially right just wasn't a good NFL player. And my
fear with a guy like Scatabow is that the Peach
Bowl against Texas, which is maybe the single best tape
of any player in this draft. By the way, I

(01:58:28):
mean that he threw, he had like three hundred yards
of offense, like he literally like they were down multiple
touchdowns in the second half, and this guy put the team.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
On at Travis Hunter, I would say, there but.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
A rushing, receiving, and passing touchdown all in the same game.
Like he was unbelievable. But is there a very good
chance that the Peach Bowl against Texas is Cam Scattaboy's
best football game he ever plays, and it's all downhill
from here. Yeah, Like that's definitely a possibility. And I
look at him, I look at his playing style. I
look at you know, I don't think he's a great athlete.

(01:59:04):
Like I think he's a kind of an effort player.
I think he's a great athlete, not fast, because he
great contact balance, low center of gravity bowling ball to
catch the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
I wouldn't say he's not athletic. He's just there's a difference.
So he's not fast he's also like his ability to cut,
like he just got a good spin move, and also
who drafted Tim Tebow? Josh McDaniel's right, but that's all
I was. I thought it was how he meant it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:33):
I don't care how you like obviously for example like that,
you know, like Johnny Manzil flamed out for other reasons,
probably along with the football, but like he also wasn't
that good at football.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
I mean last year it kind of like Sam Donald
was gonna be that guy. Sam Donald got drafted off
for that Rose Bowl game, Yeah, and would not have
gone that high without that Rose Bull Warwick.

Speaker 3 (01:59:57):
There was the receiver war Yeah something.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
We're we're going way back back, like yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:00:03):
That's like always like we're young okay, ye spoiler. Honestly,
that's always like the Olds like that they that's.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
Their guy, like that other one. And he had a
decent NFL career, but I always felt had like one
play that he made that elevated him. David Clowney, Yeah,
like he had everybody. Peter work is the guy. He
had an unbelievable play. Yeah, and it's a great play.
If people put a little too much on that one

(02:00:30):
play when they talked about Ja David Clowney as like
he was a fine pro. Yeah. It was his second
overall pick, first, second overall pick, first overall pick. First
he was. That was the Reggie Bush. Yeah, yeah, Reggie Bush.
Or was that Mario Williams.

Speaker 3 (02:00:43):
That was Mario Williams. But Jadavin Clowney went number one overall.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
Yeah, and it's like he was fine. It was a
first overall pick. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:00:50):
So yeah, Peter Work is like the the one I
think from like the nineties, like if you want to
go that direction.

Speaker 1 (02:00:55):
State right, Yeah, Yeah, that is who I was.

Speaker 3 (02:00:57):
That was kind of what I was getting at, right,
like just a really awesome college player that just doesn't
live up to it in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
And I worry about that a little bit. With Scataboo,
I do all right. Fournette, sure, leon for Nett was
a good pro. It took him a while, yeah, to
get at Jacksonville.

Speaker 3 (02:01:11):
It might have been more jackson Yeah, Leonard Fournette was
a decent pro. I don't confidence. I don't have very
much confidence in some of these guys, but I have confidence.
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Speaker 1 (02:01:46):
We got three more for yeah, just a couple more.

Speaker 3 (02:01:49):
We'll do some preview stuff next week, and you obviously
stick stick to the news as well, and what's going
on in patriot Land because it doesn't this ob season
doesn't want to quit. It just seems like there's something
to talk about every week with good.

Speaker 1 (02:02:00):
Well we went. We're talking to the offensive and defensive
code mobs next two days yep. And then Rabel's gonna
do the pre draft presser I think the fifteenth, Yeah,
something like that that Wednesday. So we got a lot
to do.

Speaker 3 (02:02:12):
We got a lot to do. So we'll be back
next week, same time, same place. We'll see you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:02:16):
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