Patriots Catch-22 5/21: OTA Recap, Roster Building, NFL Spring Meeting Recap

Tune-in as Evan Lazar and Alex Barth share their observations from the Patriots OTA practice on Tuesday. They share their opinions on league changes as owners voting news breaks on the tush push, new season awards and more. Plus, more opinions on roster building and positional rankings.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Lazar and Alex Barth.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barth. I just love
how ten minutes of anything that's not Patriots because sets
all of you on.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
We made it a little We tried to make it Patriots.
What's your new hobby?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
In a beach?

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'll let you know. I'm still haven't decided or any
of my pitches being considered. You keep trying to pitch
golf to me, and I'm not going to golf, and
you should golf. It's a golf is not gonna great
escapism hobby when I golf. The part that I think
I can't do like leisurely, like past time. Like if
I'm playing a sport, I'm competing. It's not golf. And

(01:01):
now nobody has to worry about me talking about the
Celtics anymore because the season is But I'll tell you this.
You're all congratulations. I will no longer talk basketball and
I'll tell you this.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
YouTube replies public tweets dms to me Yeah, there's a
lot a lot of people are excited about you possibly
playing Madden.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
It's true. I had no idea a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Of people want to see you play Madden, Evan.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I had no idea that that was going to happen. Truthfully, Yes,
last week's show, and we we do check the comments
last week's show pretty much ninety five percent of the
comments where we need Alex and Evan on Twitch playing
Madden with one another.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
And to the people who it wouldn't replace this show,
it would be its own separate No.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, no, we're not playing Madden on here. No, we
have that.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Actually, I know ye do a great job of it.
But I think you might have to, uh, you might
have to really look into this. You got to give
the people what they want.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Maybe, but this business is maybe I haven't played and
then I swear we're going to get into it. But
I haven't played a video game and I can't even
remember how long.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
So I'm saying get it now, and like, get used
to it so when the new one drops, you can
hit the ground running.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, I retire from playing video games probably at least
five years ago. Kind of coincided with something else that
happened in my life five years ago. If you catch
my drifts. So, yeah, I haven't played video games in
a long Get you back into it. Yeah, all right, anyways,
hello everybody, how are we doing? Evan Lazar, Alex Bart

(02:29):
with you for the next couple hours. Here talking Patriots football.
No basketball today, no Madden. We're talking actual football. Because
we were out at OTA's yesterday and we got our
first look at the full squad. Mostly, I thought that
was a nice takeaway to start as the attendance was
fantastic for a voluntary Capital V voluntary workout. I accounted

(02:56):
for eighty six of the ninety guys, right, something like that,
eighty seven of the ninety one if you whatever is
going on with the International Pathway stuff, But yeah, they
had very good attendance, and I just thought in general
that there was a nice intensity and nice pace to practice.
We saw that at Rookie Mini caamp too. I thought

(03:18):
it stood out. But even towards the end with Belichick,
there were times where practice would kind of the beginning
of practice, it felt like it was slow to get started,
Like they would do stretch and then they would do
individuals and they do a walk through period and there's
just a lot of warm up to the actual team drills.
It didn't feel like that yesterday to me watching it,

(03:40):
and felt like there was a real pace to it.
Almost felt like they had to to pull people back
a little bit from being like almost too much contact. Yeah,
and everybody's just excited to be back out there, I'm sure.
But it was a good intensity too, And I think
that starts with Mike Rabel. I think he sets that tone.
You know, he's the one that's pushing everybody. He's you

(04:01):
hear them, you see him pushing guys and making sure
that the effort is there at all times. So that
it was a big takeaway from me from yesterday was
just the overall intensity of the practice and uh that
this time of year, you know, he said, Abel said
it before the practice, we're talking about mentally getting through reps,

(04:22):
you know, procedural stuff, getting in out of the huddle
and no procedural errors and get him plays off on time,
and like that's a big part of it. You know,
being in the right places is a big part of
it from an assignment standpoint as well, and then also
competition and effort and before we get into all the
individual observations of how you know, guys looked and all

(04:44):
that kind of stuff. I just thought it was I
think it's good. I think it's a good thing that
there's an intensity again, and there's a competitiveness again, and
there's a element of iron sharpening iron at different positions
where you don't feel like it's you know, the last
couple of years, maybe the there is clear holes on
the roster that it couldn't really push you know, each

(05:04):
other and stuff like that. Now it does feel a
little bit different, and in a good way. Yeah, no,
it does.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
It feels The up tempo thing was the biggest thing
to me because in the past, you know, during the
early portion of practice especially, there's a part of our
job that's gathering, you know, beyond observing, like gathering content
for social media stuff. So you know, you take the
video of the rep and you you know, all right,
I get the good blah blah blah, and then by
the time you look back up, the next guy's going.

(05:32):
It was like the pace just felt quicker. I felt
slowed down, and then I felt sped up. And then
in the individual reps too, it was right back to
the huddle, go and go and go. They fit a
ton of plays, a ton of reps into that. I
think they were like just under an hour or just
over an hour and a half, yeah, probably an hour
forty five. They fit a ton of plays into that window.

(05:54):
And it was all I think it was all team
after no, they had won one period, one individual and.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Like a jog through towards the end. That wasn't fully
but it was.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
It was heavy, heavy, heavy team.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, no, it was. It was good to see. I
it's one day. We have to see this continue and
see its stack and all that stuff, as we're gonna
say about everything that we're going to talk about today,
but it was good to see. I haven't seen that
level of intensity and pace to a Patriots practice in
a couple of years, and so I thought that was

(06:30):
good to see, just right off the jump. And then
the other thing that we have to talk about, and
you know, with all of the tabling it as many
times as I can, it's it was May twentieth. It
was the second Ota practice. It's a new offense. He
doesn't have everybody out there with him just yet. Like
all of the tabling we can possibly put out there,

(06:54):
the numbers and the you know the facts about Drake
May throwing four interceptions in practice yesterday. I would say
the biggest thing to me is like, I'm not surprised
that this is where they're at on week one of
OTA's for all of the obvious reasons that you stayed
about any offense. You know, it's all about timing and

(07:15):
route detail and knowing you know where reads are going
to take you, and understanding protections and things like. All
these minutia. All this nuance to playing offense is why
the defense is typically ahead of the offense this time
of year. It's just it's a more detailed thing. I
would say the biggest one being the timing and just
the overall rhythm of the offense. You have to sort

(07:37):
of rep it in order to get that going that
time and going. And I also just wouldn't I'm not
overly surprised that with a Josh McDaniels offense that they
are where they are, like based off of yesterday at least,
and that it's going to be a little bit clunky
at times and there's going to be a little bit
of a learning curve at times doesn't surprise me in

(07:58):
the least. So it's a long way saying my concern
level for it is like zero. You know, I'm not
worried at all. It's not ideal, it's not what you
want to talk about. I wish that we could come
on here and talk about that. He'd lit it up,
like that's what we would all like to see. But
I'm not surprised. It looked a little bit to me
like how it looked for him early on in training
camp last year when he was adjusting to Alex van

(08:20):
Peltz offense. So we know that there's a you know what,
Drake may there there there could be an adjustment to
this offense. Now, the only thing that I would hope
for is that it a sends quite a little bit quicker.
You know, hopefully we get to training camp in July
and he's already we're already past this right last year
it took a couple of weeks into training camp for

(08:40):
him to get past it, and hopefully we're already past
this by the time we get to July and to
the real stuff in August. So my concern level again
is zero, But it is notable that this is where
we're at and it's not a continuation from last year.
We're kind of starting over in some respects and that's
why it's not surprising. But that's just the truth that

(09:01):
seems to be where we're at right now.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, look, it's not nothing. It's something that you keep
in mind and moving forward. Okay, he had a first word,
he had a bad first day. Can he get better?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
I don't think it's the be all end all. I
don't think this is indicative of what he's going to be.
But clearly there's room to grow and it's not going
to be it maybe isn't the smoothest transition, which we
kind of knew going in. So also, like, let's not
take credit away Christian Zaaz was awesome.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
You said, yeah, I'll get to that.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Two of those picks were just bad, like period, they
were bad. They were on Drake May, they were bad.
The one Gonzales got on the deep ball to Kaylea
Williams just an unbelievable way. So you know, tip your
cap to him too. And it's the kind of thing
where we were joking like, and there were a few
other plays where he was just we were joking that
if the offense on the shot to run, what they're

(09:47):
trying to run. They were gonna have to take Christian
Zalz off the field because he was just too good.
So you know there's some of that, but no, it's
lowercase he concerning you obviously don't want to see Drake
may of a day like that. But now looking forward, Okay,
does he bounce back? Is this a funny story we're
laughing about in January when they make the playoffs or

(10:08):
did this turn out to be the start of something
that was maybe a big issue. There's time to turn
it around, right even if this, if he was doing
this in practice in August, you're a lot more worried.
But for right now, and it's not a linear we
didn't see day one. Who knows, maybe lit it up yesterday. Yeah, right,
it's not a linear process. So it's it's still a
wait and see kind of thing. As in it, we're
gonna talk about players that were good outside of Gonzalez,

(10:29):
who I think is just a stud. A lot of
players we're gonna talk about being good. We're gonna kind
of put the paws on and say it was just
one day.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, I think it's a good it's a good look
in to get kind of like a feel for what
it looked like early in the next week. We'll be
out there again, I believe next Wednesday, and then we
have another one, you know, open Ota the following week,
and then you have mini camp in the first or
second week of June there. So, yes, you hope that

(10:57):
every time we kind of check in with this, right,
it gets progressively better and better and better. But you
know where I come from, you said, small sea concern,
like this is a complex offense. It is like we've
we've heard all about it all over the years from
you know, anybody that played in this offense in the past,
that this is a complex offense. So to come in

(11:19):
in May and already have it be a fine, well
oiled machine was probably pretty unrealistic. Like it's just is
not that kind of system that's going to take hold
as quickly as it can. You know, I talked before
and I'll say it again. I think my only small
stea concern about this entire thing is how much they're
putting on Drake May's plate. And this isn't about yesterday.

(11:40):
This is just a general thought about this entire uh setup,
Like it's nothing to do with what happened in the
practice yesterday. If he had lit it up yesterday, I'd
still probably be a little bit concerned about it. Uh,
it's cumbersome for the quarterback. There's all of the pre
snap responsibility is on the quarterback. He is the director,
like he is the the chess master of the offense.

(12:05):
And we've heard, you know, Josh McDaniels talked about this
on podcasts and stuff during his year off, about slowly
adding things to the quarterback's plate and making sure that
you're not dumping it all in his lap at once.
And hopefully that's what we're seeing and that's what they'll
end up doing. But when Drake mad to me, is

(12:26):
at his best is when he's just playing. Like I
think he's a gun slinger, he's a playmaker. He's not
necessarily at his best when he's thinking too much. Yeah,
And I think yesterday what I saw a little bit
of was you know, tentativeness for sure, but also just
kind of like guiding the ball and like trying to
think through every single play and like all that kind

(12:48):
of stuff. Like when he's at his best, he's just
slinging it, like he's just letting it rip. And we
saw that at the second half of training camp last year,
and then we saw it in flashes once he got
in there in the regular season. You need to see
that all the time, Like that's so trying to see
all the time.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
So that's one of the other things for me. And
this is probably a lass half full glass, half empty thing, right.
It's not like the four picks in the We maybe
didn't talk about this as much yesterday collectively as we
should have. It's not like the four picks are scattered
throughout a practice. I think it was four picks in
the first six throws something like that, Like they were
all right away and they were all together. So he

(13:28):
did he like he actually finished pretty well. Yeah, he
had a couple of nice deep balls. He had that
throw on the back shoulder to Javon Baker that was
probably the play of the day for the offense.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Had another deep out to Kyle Williams. He didn't let it.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Snowball on him, which was something we saw at times
last year where he would be having a good practice,
he'd make the first mistake and then it would kind
of sit there and you could tell his approach maybe
wasn't the same. So some people might look at that
and be like, why didn't he snap out of it sooner?

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Four picks and six plays, right, And that's a fair question.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Some people can look at it and say, well, that
was all in one period, you know, all right, period
ends short, memory reset, and he was fine the rest
of the day.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
He didn't really have any problems the rest of the day. Yeah,
and they threw quite a bit after that. Yeah, it's
a passing camp, so they threw most of the day.
And you know, the back shoulder throw is probably the
best play to Jay von Baker. I thought the throw
that you said described to Williams on the out was
his best throw of the day. Five yards deep, just
a little cover two whole whole shot, you know, pump

(14:30):
the safety, throw it into the cover two hole like that.
That to me is when he's at his best, is
when when he's feeling it. Is when he's pumping guys
off or looking guys off, and you know, putting the
ball into tight spaces and you know, using that arm
talent and using that athleticism and kind of playing free
and playing loose. You know that that's when Drake May

(14:51):
is Drake May at his best. I thought we saw
that as the practice progressed a little bit more. Yet
another deep ball to Kishan Boudi that I was catchable,
that I thought was a good read and a good
throw that just Booty couldn't you know, finish through contact
and the ball fell incomplete. So overall, I'm I'm optimistic

(15:11):
that this is gonna be fine. Like I feel very
confident in McDaniels and Mike Rabel and to figure this
whole thing out. But we have a show to do today,
as we always like to say, and the show that
we have to do is based off of the practice
we saw yesterday, and cause I always feel like there's
a there's two sides to everything when it comes to
this kind of stuff. You know. One side is like

(15:32):
we can't just ignore it, which I think is fair,
and then the other side is it's day two of
OTAs and you guys are freaking out over like a practice, right,
Like what are we talking about? You know, it's practice.
It's not a game, to quote Alan Iverson, right, it's
somewhere in the middle, of course, like, there's no reason
to panic, there's no reason to freak out. But it's
also our job to tell you what happened at practice,

(15:52):
and this is what happened at practice, right, So it's
always a tough a tough split there. So besides Drake May,
there was a lot of positives, as you said, and
I wanted to start with the free agent signings because
we saw some of the rookies in rookie mini camp.
You know, we got a first look at some of
those guys. This is our first time seeing Milton Williams,

(16:14):
Carlton Davis, Bobby Spillane, no digs right obviously with the
coming back from the ACL, but my first impressions of
all that group. Again, this is a passing camp. We're
talking mostly about quarterbacks, receivers, secondary players. Like we're not
going to really be having any grand proclamations about the

(16:37):
defensive and offensive line in a non padded practice. But
Carlton Davis, man, like those arms they're long, you know,
like you can see the build and the frame that
he has. And you know, along with Christian Gonzalez, who
I thought, I agree with you. I thought Christian Gonzalz
was the best player on the field yesterday and I
don't think it was particularly close, but one of the

(16:57):
advantages and then also one of the disadvantage of having
two guys like Christian Zalz and Carlon Davis is the
advantages those two guys are going to take out a
lot of passing offenses. Like those guys are gonna be
locking down a lot of good receivers hopefully for years
to come. But we'll see. I'm optimistic that's gonna happen.

(17:17):
The flip side of that is it makes practice harder
on the offense, right, so like you're not always going
to see the offense lighting it up. But what were
your first impressions of some of those free agents? And
then I want to talk a little bit of Gonzo,
but to start with the free agents.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
To start with the free agent, well, just first off,
under some pressed, Morgan Moses out there, like credit to him.
This is the guy that's coming off of a knee injury.
I think he had surgery, right, he said in the
off season, you know, coming off of that. Wasn't super
involved yesterday, I think because of the medical stuff. So
he got to twelve year veteran, knows what he's doing
out there, isn't going to be doing a ton on

(17:51):
the field anyway, doesn't necessarily need to be here objectively,
he probably doesn't need to be here. Not only is
he here, he's staying after practice to work with the
young tackles. And he talked after practice, you asked him
about this, like how important is from the be here
to help this young offensive line get along the leadership
clearly outstanding from him. That was an observation from him.

(18:15):
The other I'm trying to mc hollands. Same thing mac
hollins was in practicing was in sweats on the first example,
in giving our guys that didn't really do attens, that's
probably not great.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm trying to know. The Morgan Moses thing is definitely notable.
I understand that this is this is a very ota storyline. Yeah,
Morgan Moses taking the young guys under his wing. But
it matters, it matters. You know, he's played tackle in
the NFL for going on two decades now. He mentioned
after practice, Morgan Moses did that he's played with Trent Williams,

(18:46):
he's played with Tyron Smith last year with the Jets,
like he's played with Hall of Fame caliber offensive linemen
and left tackles. That's great. That's great mentorship from Will Campbell.
And I think the thing that stood out to me
the most about it was how much Morgan Moses was
enjoying it. Like it wasn't just like all right, find rookie,
like you know, let's talk right. It was Morgan Moses

(19:07):
was loving every minute of it, maybe even more so
than the young guys were loving listening to him. And
they were out there and on the practice field, and
you know, Will Campbell's like in his past set right,
and Morgan Moses is, you know, trying to walk through
things with him. And you know, if I step here,
you step there, my hand goes here, your hand goes
there like that sort of thing. And that's that's uh,

(19:29):
that's great, Like that's what it's all about. You know.
You hear about all these like summits in the off season,
pass rest, summits online masterminds, like that's what they're doing,
Like that's that's what they do at all these things.
Is you know, these are the moves that are getting
used against me. You know, how do I combat it?
You know, how how do I fix it? How do
I make it? Make myself a more well rounded player,

(19:51):
not only just leading by example in terms of all
the other stuff that I'm sure Morgan Moses does around
the facility. But that's that was really cool to see,
Like I would love to get a microphone in there
and hear what they're actually talking about.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
And it's the wild thing to me is like every
time Morgan Moses asked about it, he's like, yeah, you know,
I had great veterans growing up, but he names Trent Williams.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, Morgan Moses is like one of the oldest players
in the league.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, and he was a rookie for a already veteran Trent Williams,
which has kind of insane and really tipped the cap
to Trent Williams in the career he's had. But the
part of the reason it's just tough talk about the
free agents because I'm running through the list in my head.
A lot of them are on defense. It's tough to
talk about the defense in a practice like this. I
will say this maybe not the name everybody wants to

(20:34):
hear about, but I think it's notable. West Schweitzer all
over the field, all over the offensive line, super involved.
I think a lot of people kind of wrote that
signing off as all right, you know, they paid this
guy one year minimum money, played one offensive snap last year,
he's a camp body. We talked about this last week,
Michael Jordan and everybody was writing off at this time

(20:55):
last year ends up being.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Their starting guard.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
I had Schweitzer in different different extent, but he at
a certain point lined up at four different positions yesterday.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
The only one I didn't see him at was left tackle.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
He was early and often at left guard, saw him
snapping a little bit, got some right guard reps briefly
at right tackle with different alignments and different groups and
all of that. So you know, some definitely carried more
weight than others, and it seemed like left guard was
his primary spot. But you know, City Show wasn't there.
Cole Strange was leadon, Robinson wasn't. Col Strange was involved
as well. But Wes Whitzer.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Feels like it's in the mix.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, percent, It definitely feels like he's really in the
mix more than just all right, he's a veteran.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Its first day of OTA, so he's going to get
the NOD.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
So there's some element to that though, right, And I
understand if you didn't know who Wes Whiteser was until
today or still don't, I fully do not blame me, right,
it's a it's a veteran into your offensive lineman who's
been mostly a backup throughout his career. But he does
have sixty two starts under his belt in the NFL.
He's played eight years in the league, two starts across

(22:01):
multiple positions. Now, I talked to Brandon Thorn a little
bit about him off the air, and he just said,
you know you, ideally, a guy like west Sweitzer is
like a super sub. Like he's your top backup on
the interior. The right guard goes down, he can play,
the left guard goes down, he can play. You hope
that you have somebody that's that's starting that maybe is

(22:21):
a little bit better than a guy like west Sweitzer,
but early on in training camp, early on in the season,
just like Michael Jordan last year, until some of the
younger players start to make a push, until some of
those guys start to feel comfortable in what they're doing. Schematically,
this is a time of year where guys like Westwitzer
take a lot of those top reps. It's just is

(22:42):
what it is.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
Now.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
The question is for West Schweitzer, but in all those
different positions, like well, that's what makes them kind of
like that super sub right, Like, if we consider him,
I don't know if he can play right tackle, but
if we just say that he can play three different
positions on the interior, all three right both guard spots,
and center, there's a ton of value in having that
player around, especially on game day, because if somebody gets

(23:06):
hurt and it's just a one for one replacement, Westwitzer
goes in, he plays right guard and and hopefully you know,
the beat still still goes right and hopefully the train
is still rolling. Whereas if you have a guy that's
really only a one position backup, then you have to
change everybody around to get that player on the field
to replace the player that got hurt. So from that standpoint,

(23:29):
Westwitzer can be a valuable player if he can back
up all three interior spots, that's probably his best path
to the roster. But the other question from for west
Switzer is how long can you hold off Eladen Robinson?
How long can you hold off you know a city,
so Cole Strange I think is going to be in
the mix, but you get the drift, you know, Jered Wilson.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Did Cole Strange look bigger to you?

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Maybe in the upper body.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, Well, the thing we've talked about with Cole stranger
guard is he's you know, is he bulky enough? Is
he powerful play way mcdennis wants to play. It looks
like maybe he worked on changing his body type to
be more in the mix there.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, So how long does he hold off those guys?
If at all? I don't know. You know, we'll find out,
we'll see come training camp. But Westweitzer's an NFL interior
offensive lineman, Like, this guy's been around this is you know,
he's not he's not Zach Martin, right, but he's also
not a nobody, Like he's got some experience and he's

(24:28):
got some name value to him. Now, along with Schweitzer,
we saw a lot of close strange on the offensive line.
Will Campbell locked in at left tackle. I don't think
that's a surprise that anybody.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Thoughts that really didn't move we're left tackleing center?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, brad Berry and Will Campbell. Bradberry at center obviously,
Campbell at left tackle. What are your your feelings though
on left guard right now? Because I do think cold
strange based off what we saw and again it the
table at five hundred more time. We saw one day
of practice. Okay, we we haven't seen a time, but

(25:04):
based on what we saw, it just at least feels
like cold Strange has maybe the inside track. I would say,
like it's good they kind of are. It seems like
they're they're giving him opportunities. Let me put it.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I mean that's what that's what the big caveat of
City so not being there. Yeah, but and I think
Chaired Wilson looked like he might have been limited.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, so that too.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
I think Cole Strange is maybe more in the mix
than me and some other people were giving him credit for. Yeah,
I'll say that I need to see it with everybody
out there to be like he's the favorite, because I like,
just knowing historically what Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Is liked City, so would be his guy based off
of that.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Now, maybe it's changed with this year he took and
he went around and he went to all these colleges
and saw offense being run differently. Maybe that changes, But
like traditionally City sow's his kind of guy. So you know,
maybe City shows here next week when we're out there
and he's getting all those reps, and that wouldn't surprise
me at all, but it does seem like Cole Strange
is more in the mix.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
He's more in the mix and playing guard. You know,
he played a little bit of center in warm ups
and like walk through type drills, but once they got
into full team, he was playing guard. I didn't see
him take any center any snaps once they got into
the full team stuff. Kad and Wallace top backup at
right tackle. It seems like, at least for now, you know,

(26:25):
we'll see what happens. I kind of like that. I
think there's a there's a chance, and I know it
might be a year or two from now. Maybe that's
a little bit too long for some people's liking, but
the passing of the torch that could go on there
from Moses to Kayden Wallace makes a lot of sense.
It would obviously be a lot more seamless for the
Patriots if they didn't have to then go use another
draft pick and here on right tackle, because they feel

(26:48):
like they have one with Kid and Wallace. But the
last thing on the offensive line, I didn't I didn't
take it lightly that when they were doing team and
Drake was struggling, his whole rights of the offensive line
was on the other field, not participating like you know,
like Morgan Moses and Mike on Wenho were on the
other side of it, and they were working with Jared Wilson,

(27:09):
and they were working with Jared Wilson. So I think
there's a good case to be made that three of
the five best linemen on the team were not participating
in those team drills. So it'd be interesting to see
what it looks like once those two, especially the two veterans.
I don't know where Jared Wilson's going to factor into
all this, or when I should say Jared Wilson's going
to factor all into all of this, but those two

(27:31):
veterans were not participating in the competitive team periods, so
maybe that will help, you know, having a more solidified pocket.
But let's gush a little bit about Christian Zalez, because
I thought he was the best player on the field yesterday.
I didn't think he was particularly close. I thought he
looked even more like confident and comfortable than maybe even

(27:53):
what we saw last year when he was a second
team All.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Bro It's it's even at the podium like he seems.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
So He's not a guy talks a lot.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
We've talked about this, he's got that kind of step
fun get more quiet sauce.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
But was nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, yesterday at the podium, you know, we had two picks.
He's probably feeling himself a little bit, but yes, Sate
the podium was like as confident as I've ever seen
him with the media, like the whole thing, on the field,
after practice, all of it. He seems calm, comfortable, confident,
And maybe that's having played a full NFL season, which
he obviously didn't do as a rookie.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
You're right, but he just seems like he's in a great,
great place right now.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah. So the first interception he had, it was just
you know, coverage rotation. He rotated down into the flat
and jumped to pass into the flat. Not to take
away anything from the play, but the second interception on
the deep ball was just an unreal like that would
have been if fans had saw that, if that was
like in a game like that would have been on
the top of a highlight reel type thing from Christian Gonzales.

(28:52):
So it looked at me like it was, you know,
deep post corner. So Kyle Williams nodded to the post
and then broke on the corner and Christian Gonzale was
like kind of in no man's land, a little bit
in the flat on the back side there, and I
thought that he probably had the deep third of the
field like in like a cover three look, and it
looked open, like it flashed open for a second and

(29:12):
looked like Drake May was gonna be able to get
the ball there to Kyle Williams. And I would estimate
that Christian Gonzalez covered forty yards, like probably about thirty
five forty yards just in a dead sprint right to
the spot where the ball was going and over the shoulder,
just caught the ball in front of Kyle Williams. And
I don't think that Drake May or Kyle Williams thought

(29:34):
there was any chance that Christian Gonzalez was.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Gonna get that bay. You tell me if we want
to step too far.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
And it was ota, So there's definitely some hyperbole here,
a little ed reid ish.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
It was. It was a great pick, yeah, I mean
it was. And what I thought was even more encouraging
about it is that it was in zone like it
was like it wasn't like he was, you know, lockstep
in in Manton Man which is obviously awesome to watch him,
you know, lockdown receivers in man as well, but sometimes
in zone coverage and early on in his career, in
his career at Oregon, you know, he wasn't it wasn't

(30:04):
a strength of his game. It was he was clearly
a man coverage corner. That was the strength of the game.
But this play at Eyes in the backfield, he was
his own corner, had that you know, deep part of
the field over there. I wouldn't go as far to
say maybe as he baited him into it, but he
just kind of was Johnny on the spot and was
aware and alert to the route that Kyle Williams was running,

(30:26):
and man, did he cover a lot of ground in
a hurry. I think that's one of the things that
always surprises me, even still a little bit about Gonzalez
is how fast he is. Because he's a big dude.
He's like, you know, six', two he's a, big long,
corner but he has got some real track, speed like
he's got some real four to three, wheels and he

(30:46):
certainly showed it on that. PLAY i just thought he he.
Dominated he dominated the practice like there's sometimes you, know
we see that every once in a while from like
A Christian barmore in the past or player like. That
this was a dominant showing From Christian, gonzales and it
can't help but be excited about what's going to happen
here With Carlon davis And Christian. GONZALES i think those

(31:08):
two guys together are going to be a, nightmare.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
And that we talked about this that they need to
upgrade to pass, rush and obviously they added some Guys
Calevon Chase, on, who by the, way one of the
last players off the field yesterday stayed late to get
in some extra pass rush. Work but you, know they
added some pass Rushers Chase, On, Landry Milton williams obviously
in the.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Middle BUT i said this at the time and you
kind of saw it.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yesterday Adding Carlton davis And gonzalez taking that next step
is going to do as much for the pass rush as. Anything,
yeah because they're going to have more time and vice.
VERSA i Think davis is going to Help Christian. Gonzalez
the one knock On gonzales last, YEAR i think it
was maybe, overblown but it wasn't, inaccurate was that he
didn't have a ton of on ball. Production, yeah didn't
have a lot of pass, breakups didn't have a lot of,

(31:52):
interceptions so AND i think some of that is just
he teams weren't throwing at. Him when they, did it
was like or opportunities where he wasn't going to be
able to make a play on the football because they
could pick on the other side and they had time
to kind of see the. Field Carlton davis on the
other side is going to be a lot harder to.
Test there's going to be a better pass. RUSH i
think you're one of those one of those. Picks the

(32:13):
first pick That christianzalez had was because The patriots got
in on a, blitz, yeah And Drake may had to
kind of throw. Hot AND i think you're going to
see more opportunities like that because the pass rush is
better and teams are going to Test gonzales, more which
is probably a good thing for. Him as we see
the ball, skills he's going to have a chance to
make some plays on the.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Football, Yeah That's that's definitely what stood out to me
was that both plays were eyes in the, backfield Not manta,
man not you, know shadowing receivers like he had eyes
in the, backfield which is what allowed him to make
plays on the. Ball as he said after, Practice and
as much AS i love him And man and everybody

(32:50):
loves him And man for good, reason AND i want
him to play the majority of his coverage snaps in man,
Like i'm not trying to Turn christiganzales into his own,
corner but if he is gonna Have Carlton davis on
the other, side one of the advantages of that, is you,
Know Carlton davis might be able to play the boundary
a little bit more and play THE x receiver a
little bit more than the guys they've had in the,

(33:10):
past which would Allow Christian gonzales to play the field
side a little bit more or the you, know the bigger.
Uh if you're on the hash, right like the longer
side of the, field and when you play on the field,
side a lot of the time you play a lot
more zone on that side of the field compared to the,
boundary where even if you're like man to man or
you're in a you, know like a cover three or a.
Quarters look like if you're three by one and you're

(33:33):
on the, boundary so three receivers, one you, know to one,
side one receiver to the. Other the boundary corner is
basically in man to man, coverage even if it's not
truly a man, call that's basically what's. Happening the field
corner is then more in like a zone coverage or
the way that they pass it off in, matches and
that allows eyes in the, Backfield like there's a world
where that will increase his on ball production where we

(33:56):
might see even more interception interceptions From Christian. Gonzales and
the exciting part about that is, also you, KNOW i
just mentioned his. Speed he's really fast in the open, Field,
like so if he gets the ball and he has
a chance to return, it like he's going to flip
the field and he's going to return it potentially all
the way to the house in some. Instances so that's
exciting to me is that it almost Having davis in

(34:19):
a way almost like frees Up Christian gonzalez to be
a little bit more of a playmaker at, times WHICH
i think is something that they haven't always been able
to tap into because they've had smaller corners Like Jonathan
jones Or Marcus jones playing the opposite side on the.
Outside you can't really allow him to be his zone
corner or have eyes in the backfield and all that.

(34:39):
Stuff so that's exciting With Christian. GONZALES i think there's
another level to his playmaking ability that we might be
able to see now that he has, somebody you, know
Like davis who can kind of take out his assignment
and handle more boundary. Responsibilities a couple of other. Things
and THEN i want to get to the. Rookies we
Saw Christian barmore out there. Participating looked like he was

(35:02):
a full, go a full. Participant i'm like holding my
breath about it a little. Bit i'm not going to
lie to, you LIKE i just crossed my. FINGERS i
hope for his sake that nothing happens and nothing pops
back up for. Him it was good to see him out.
There it was kind of. Cool you, know very first
snap of team, drills you See Kean, White Christian, Barmore Milton,
Williams Harold, Landry, Yeah Carlon davis on one, Side Christian

(35:24):
gonzalez to the other. Side that was the, Vision, like
that's that's the, defense, right that's the core or the
foundation of the defense. There did you take anything away from.
BARMORE i know it's you, know non padded practice for defensive,
linemen BUT i guess like the one takeaway is just
it was good to see him out.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
There.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
YEAH i, mean he had told us he'd been, cleared
so you knew he was going to be out, There
BUT i cleared could mean so many other, things, right and,
like all, right, well is he going to be out
there standing?

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Around is he only going to do?

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Individual he didn't come off the field like he was
out there as much As Milton williams and any of
those other, Guys so not just like cleared for, action
but it didn't look limited at, all which is obviously.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Encouraging and like you, said it's a medical.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Thing you Never it's not like he's trying to come
back from a, hamstring, right, Right so you never, know
and you hope for the best, Obviously but it looks
like he's at least his things stand right. Now looks
like he's in as good a place as he can.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
Be.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah the other thing with the defensive line just THAT
i thought was notable is JUST i feel Like Keon
white is such AN x factor for this, group not
that he was bad by any means last. Year he
was a good player for them last, year you, know
forty five quarterback. Pressures he was a good. Player he's disruptive,
player but it was. Inconsistent it obviously was really good
early and then kind of tailed off as the season went.

(36:39):
On but he was getting more. Attention and you, know
there's no Bar more at least not at full tilt last,
year and there's nobody else really for offensive linemen and
offensive coordinators to worry about or scheme, about you, know
game plan for during the. Week But Keon white to,
me is a REAL x factor like this this group

(37:00):
could be the defensive line in particular in their front
like they could be really a border line elite if
he takes that next step, right because you if you
assume That barmore is gonna be, himself WHICH i get
is also a little bit of a of a leap
if you, will you know what you're getting In Milton.
Williams SO i, think you, know maybe as a run,
defender there's still some unknown, there but you feel pretty

(37:22):
good that you're getting a really good player In Milton.
Williams If Keon white takes that next step forward and
he's more consistent and he's more gap, sound and he's you,
know keeping the quarterback in the. Pocket he's playing a
little bit more as like a four to three defensive
end with his hand in the dirt and allowing him
to kind of get up the field and not worry
so much about containment and things like. That that, that

(37:44):
to me put like makes the elevates them even. More
like that could really push this group on the defensive
line up another. Level i'm excited to see what they
do With Keon white BECAUSE i thought in the old
scheme he's kind of too big to be a three
to four outside linebacker up on his, feet he's like
too heavy for. That but then he wasn't quite big
enough to be like a two gapping defensive. End so

(38:04):
he's kind of a, tweeter but as a four to three,
end you, know rushing the quarterback and getting up the.
Field like you can see a vision there for Ke
On white being a really disruptive.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Player oh, Yeah, NO i think that he's somebody who's
definitely gonna benefit from this system. CHANGE i think did
he's probably better fit In rabel's defense than the one
he was. In, yeah let's talk a little. Rookies, uh
we Saw Will campbell at mini. Camp rather mean to
go from Ke On white like those two, guys we
saw him go at it a. Ton it's gonna be
a really good and this is no unpadded so you

(38:35):
really can't take off from. It but just the idea
THAT i think there's gonna be a lot of those
two guys head to head in one on ones in.
Team it's gonna be a great opportunity For Will campbell
because Key On white stylistically is the kind of player
that Gave campbell the most.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Trouble now, yeah, big, long, physical uh you, know good
good off the. Ball absolutely So Will campbell, aside because,
look there's not a ton to clean right now About Will.
Campbell he can watch his, footwork he can watch how he,
moves but we already knew he moved, well like he's
a great, Athlete like he's gonna move. Well the one
guy that we didn't see At Rookie mini camp WHO

(39:08):
i thought was impressive yesterday Was Trevon, Henderson patriots second round.
Pick he is just a brick house first of, All
like he's just well built, guy not, big like he's
not you, know he's Not Derrick, henry but like he's
for his, size he's extremely well, built like there's a
compact kind of denseness to his. FRAME i thought his
explosiveness and his speed was evident just watching him from

(39:29):
the eye, TEST i thought he looked. Quick he looked,
fast looks. Balanced he, was you, know catching screens and
kind of jitterbugging around a little bit as well on
some of those. Plays i'm bullish on this. GUY i
think he's gonna be a really big impact player for,
them and not a running backs, guy but this guy
because of his impact that he can make in the passing,
game both as a pass catcher and as a. BLOCKER

(39:51):
i just think that adds a dimension of big playability
that they just didn't. HAVE i think he looked looked
apart and then some to me.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
And the burst like when he gets in the open,
field seeing it in, person when he gets to that
top gear is really. Something how quick he can do
it and what that top gear. Is so, yeah he.
Was he was fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yesterday, Yeah Kyle, WILLIAMS i thought again stacked, Today LIKE
i think he gets open now it's OTA's there's no,
contact so you can't you can't get your hands on.
Anybody you can't you, know hit anybody over the middle
of the. Field there's no. Contact so in this, setting

(40:30):
a receiver Like Kyle williams should, shine like this should
be The Kyle Williams. Show but to his, credit you,
know he did get open a couple of. Times yesterday
you mentioned the opacity caught along the sideline on the.
OUT i thought he was initially flashed open on that
deep ball That Christian gonzalez picked. OFF i thought he
created the separation at the top of the. Route the
one thing THAT i would say With Kyle williams And

(40:51):
drake may Is Kyle williams to, me is a type
of receiver that you can't, overthrow like you instead of
throwing the ball to a spot where he has to
then elevate and like kind of win a jump ball
down the, field you've got to lead him and you
got to let him just run underneath it because he's
not a big, dude so he's not a jump ball.
Receiver so more THAT i see him in, PERSON i

(41:14):
know other people have had this comp or have mentioned this.
CALL i do kind of see a little bit Of
Brandon cooks in, Him LIKE i think he's got a
similar size to. Him obviously great. Speed not quite as
fast in terms of time speed As Brandon, cooks BUT
i think he plays really. Fast and then also just
the way he runs routes and the way he, SEPARATES
i think has a little bit Of Brandon, cooks but
Like Brandon, cooks like he's not he's not, big he's not,

(41:36):
Tall he's not gonna win jump. Balls his place rank
is going to be a question. Mark like those things
are all gonna be things they have to work around
or have to work. With but on that play, again
like If Drake may just puts it ten yards out
in front of him and lays it out for, him
THEN i would much rather See Kyle williams try to
run underneath it than have to go high point the
ball in between two. Defenders so they'll work on that

(41:58):
kind of stuff and they'll get that kind and stuff ironed.
Out but the good news is that we're not coming
in here and talking about How Kyle williams can't get,
open like he's definitely getting open. Now they just have
to figure out the catch points stuff and all that
kind of detail that comes.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Along, WELL i thought the other interesting thing And, look
it's just one, day so maybe this is what they
were working. On but that kind of guy In josh
McDaniel's offense traditionally has been a middle of the field. Guy,
yeah but both in terms of where he was aligning
and where he was. Running a lot of his routes
he was on the. Outside he was outside the, hatches
he was outside the. Numbers his two best routes of the,
day we're deep. Outs he caught one of, Them Josh

(42:33):
dobbs under through the, other But Kyle williams did his.
Part so, yeah he gets open, like he gets, open
he gets open on the. Outside, Yeah and this is
what they've been. Missing as much as they've struggled at
wide receiver in recent, years there's a pretty consistent through
line of guys who can take care of themselves in
the middle of the, field From edelman To myers To.
Pop like it's different levels and they do it, differently

(42:56):
and obviously With pop there's like a health, thing but
when they're on the, field they're they're solid middle.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Of the field.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Options it's been that guy outside the numbers to stretch
the defense horizontally to open up the middle of the
field for that player that they've been. Missing so to
See Kyle williams being able not just, win but win
on the, outside that was my big takeaway from esterday
is because you, KNOW i was KINDA i wondered if
they were going to use him at THE x or
was he going to be an inside. Guy it looks

(43:23):
like they're getting ready to play THE x play on
the outside and if he can get open on the,
outside like that's What Taekwon thornton was supposed to, be
So Nikhil harry was supposed to.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Be it's why they traded For Devonte.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Parker we can go through a lot of the wide
receiver moves they've made that they've missed on in the
last five to eight. Years we're, trying we're trying to
get that outside guy to draw attention out there and
open up the middle of the. Field Kyle williams stylistically
is very different than any of those. Players so he
is and To Brandon cooks is probably the last like
really good outside guy they, Had so that that was

(43:55):
encouraging to. Me Yesterday, again maybe yesterday it was, just,
hey today's the outside deck because he can play three.
Spots yesterday was the outside day For Kyle. Williams maybe
tomorrow he's back inside and they're gonna work him. Everywhere
BUT i did like not just seeing that he was
able to get, open but that he was able to
get open on the outside.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Based off of one, day based off of. Yesterday, yeah
the routes That Kyle williams was running reminded me a
lot of how McDaniel's Used Brandon. Cooks is that gonna,
HOLD i, Don't we'll, see, Right but in terms of
the where outs he was running, YESTERDAY i felt LIKE
i was kind of Watching Brandon cooks and the deep
ball That Drake may did throw to, him it, was you,

(44:31):
know he kind of moved into the line of scrimmage
a little, bit kind of gave him some more space
to set up the double move and runs a big double,
Move LIKE i remember it was In Mexico city against The,
Raiders brady threw a touchdown pass To Brandon cooks on that, route,
right like they like that is the type of stuff
that you know they were doing With cooks within the

(44:52):
framework of this. Offense so even though it is technically
outside and you know they are vertically stretching the, feet
it's still within the confines of like what mcdaniels's comfort
zones are, Right like they're still kind of pressuring the
middle of the. Field he's kind of closer to you,
know and more of like a reducer tight split and
not all the way out wide like in the max

(45:14):
split outside the. Numbers it's not in. Isolation just release
and run a go route and beat your. Guide there
might be some of, that but there's more nuance to
it than. That i'm excited to see how they continue
to stack that. Together but it had a little cook
see and feel to, me which is not a bad.
Thing LIKE i Love Brandon cooks, said we're Both brandon cook.

(45:36):
STANDS i. Believe, yeah so all Four Brandon. Cooks moving
on here to the other. Rookies Jared wilson we mentioned
and seemed limited didn't do a whole, time so skip over.
Him the one guy That I'M i need to watch
more of in practice and next WEEK i will do it,
because as you, know my eyes go towards the offense
like it just it's my favorite part of the. Game

(45:57):
it's also you, Know Drake mays the, franchise LIKE i
want to what the quarterback's, doing just happens to be
the way it. Is BUT i do feel like we
should talk about AND i THINK i need to watch
more Of Craig woodson BECAUSE i think he's starting to you,
know he had a couple of flashes In ricky. Minicamp
he had a flash yesterday and made a diving interception
on a tip. Pass is there a world Where Craig

(46:19):
woodson's more involved than maybe originally, thought or maybe not
even originally, thought but just more, INVOLVED i mean helved
as that third.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Safety, yeah, absolutely and he can play a bunch of
different spots and maybe it's not as that true free
safety we thought they, needed but rotating with with dug
And peppers.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Certainly. YEAH i thought he was good. Yesterday he has
a little bit more pure coverage, ABILITY i would say
than the dugger And. Peppers Like duggar And, peppers we
know what they're good, at their physical, safeties their downhill.
Players they play in the. Box you, know they want
to come, downhill take on, blocks you, know blitz maybe on,
occasion you, know cover a tight end or so so

(46:57):
on and so. FORTH i would say That woodson really
feels more like a pure cover, safety like a guy
that can play, nickel a guy that can play up,
top that has you, know ball skills around the, football
that can make plays on the. Ball so it's exactly
what the doctor ordered in terms of skill sets and
like putting that group. Together there's a very good chance
and hand up BECAUSE i did not Have Craig woodson

(47:20):
rated as highly as The patriots drafted. Him there's a
very good chance this was The patriots a getting one
on the old, media, right like this is a good
scout by.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Them.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
POTENTIALLY i think maybe they were right on this player
and the media was wrong or the media was too,
LOW i should say on. Him you know a lot
of people had him as more like a mid to
late day three, pick and The patriots picked him in
the fourth. Round but maybe we were sleeping On Craig.
WOODSON i was. Impressed was there any other rookies that
they drafted guys before we get to the undrafted guys

(47:49):
that stood out to?

Speaker 1 (47:50):
YOU i Mean Marcus bryant working with more And Moses,
yeah along With Will CAMPBELL i thought was.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Notable borgallis hit all four his. Kicks i'll let you
get to the kickers in a second Two.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Okay, yeah it's it's like the free, agents Like day
three is pretty much all.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Defense, YEAH i would say That Doretty.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Farmer wasn't out, there so so let's, uh let's talk
a little bit about the undrafted rookies and then we'll
circle back to the.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Kickers But bregallis was drafted that come, on.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Okay let's go kickers.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
First he hit all, four kind of hit the first
one the first, One, no he, didn't so he.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Didn't he was, good, yeah but didn't hit it.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Right, yeah but there's something to be said for if
you don't hit the ball right and it still goes,
through it means your mechanics are probably pretty, clean good, consistency,
Right so you don't want to see, it, obviously but
when your mis hits are going, through that's generally a good.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Sign.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Uh and then drilled the other three And John Parker
romo missed two a, four missed one wide, right miss one.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Wide, left which kind of means he probably got in
his head started. Overcompensating.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Uh borgalis definitely starts with an edge just being drafted
here in his kicker, competition but, big big win for him.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yesterday so way too early for This i'm gonna say it, anyways,
Though is there a chance that we get through mini
camp and they just decided that It's borgollis's, Job BECAUSE
i think if he continues to kick like he did,
yesterday every single day and he just passes all the
tests you drafted the kid to begin, with that's already

(49:19):
giving him a leg. Up like you really don't know
anything To John Parker, Romo LIKE i guess the competition
is always good throughout the, summer and it always helps
to have two kickers in, camp maybe to a, degree
but it just feels to me like something like the
ground would really have to fall out from Underneath borgoalis
for him to lose the.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
Job SO i think it depends on two.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
THINGS i do think it's possible that they make a
decision before roster. Cuts but, one if they want to
Keep John Parker romo in the practice squad is a,
Backup you're probably not going to cut him In june
and then reach down.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
To the practice squad late like that's not really how it.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Works and, then like you, said do they just want
to keep that element of competition to just keep the
press sure up on? Board? Gallis you see how he handles,
it that, alone to them may be worth that roster.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Spot i'm not a kicker, expert don't pretend to, be
but based off of WHAT i saw, YESTERDAY i thought
he kicks the ball pretty, clean like he's a consistent,
stroke which is what you want to look. For and,
kickers you, know you can tweak things here and there
if you have a, miss you, know a little, left little,
right you tweak, things but you want to see it's
like a golf. Stroke you want to see it the
same every single. Time he's got a really consistent. Stroke

(50:27):
and like you, said he kind of shanked that first
one and it still went, through which tells you that
he's dead. On he just kind of mishit it so.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Just the WAY i heard, it AND i DON'T i
wasn't close enough to see exactly what, happened but the way it,
sounded the way he hit the, ball and just the
way the ball flight, was my guess is he was
like a tiny step probably, ahead and instead of because
you want to hit the ball like sort of low
right off the, GROUND i think he probably got up
more towards the middle of the ball and that's why

(50:56):
it went like.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
That so BUT i think his mechanics were. Clean he
just didn't hit the ball in the.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Rights, yeah, yeah all, right undrafted. Rookies it was you,
know mini, camp rookie mini. CAMP i was all on Land.
LARISON i was all excited About Minnie burkhead over. There
this was A Efton chishm.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Day, well, No Land larrison still got a ton of.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Run but this was an Eft chism. Day, okay we'll
Do chism Firstft chishm looked looked. Good this is more
WHAT i was expecting from. You Afton chism looked. GOOD
i told YOU i wasn't gonna do this with.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
RECEIVERS i already gushed About Kyle williams in a non,
padded non contact.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Realistic About Kyle Williams Efton, chisholm comparing him To Brandon,
cooks who has like six one thousand yard. SEASONS i, mean,
stylistically you're not. Wrong, yeah stylistically is a similar play
and to be just really. Quickly but this is going.
Backwards but the one element Of Kyle williams's, GAME i
don't know if he has quite the like three level
speed That cooks, does like to really be like an

(51:52):
over the top vertical field.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Stretchis at his peak was one of the top ten fastest, players, Right,
LIKE i don't know if he has quite but the
one thing THAT i think he's better at Than cooks
is he's a much better ball carrier and he's like
much more aware of like.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Spatial thing last year that he worked on going in
the last. Year, Yeah like he took an end around
yesterday and looked pretty smooth doing. That, LIKE i think
there's that element that maybe he can make up for
the fact that he's not quite as fast down the
field As Brandon, cooks but he's maybe a little bit
better with the ball in his. Hands that's an aside
going To Afton. CHISHOLM i just think that he looks
exactly HOW i expected him to. Look, Yeah like he's

(52:29):
literally just the, Stereotype like he is a jitterbug slot
receiver In josh McDaniels'. Offense and it seems to me
Like josh McDaniels is already a little bit excited about
this guy because he was getting a lot of. Run
it was mostly With Josh, dobbs so like normally this
time of, year that's what you take note of is
like which quarterback is he throwing? Right which receivers is

(52:50):
he running? With but he was running with some of
the guys that have a chance to make the. Roster
like it wasn't like all of his refs were, with you,
know guys at the back end of the. Roster there
were some reps there with some of the top.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
GUYS i, mean he WAS i would say he was
with the second, group but he was featuring in that.
Group he kind of reminded me just how he was
used different player of Where Jacoby myers was at this
point in twenty. Nineteen Like Kobe myers caught a ton
of passes From Brian hoyer And Chariot, stadham but he
was sort of the feature guy with that second, Group

(53:23):
AND i think that's sort of he is a quarterback's
best friend type of. Receiver he knows how to get.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Open he knows where to get open against, Zone like
he knows where the sauce spots are and the voids
and how to sit and like how to find those.
Areas he can separate against man to, man like he's
got the quickness at the top of their had to.
Separate had a few nice jump cuts in the open
field yesterday where he made some guys. Miss there's not
a lot of burst or straight line speed, there but

(53:50):
there's a ton of just, savvy like just receiver. Savvy
and even though it, might you, know some people want
to move past, that the stereotype of That Wes, Welker Julian,
Edelman DANNY. A, mondola a type of slot. Receiver there's
always going to be a role for that type of
player in this. Offense that type of player is always

(54:11):
going to be able to thrive in this type of.
Offense AND i just Think eft And chisholm just kind
of checks that. Box, Now, yeah is he going to
go out and be a star and be the Next Julian?

Speaker 5 (54:20):
Edelman?

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Like probably not, No BUT i thought he he looks
the part of that type of, receiver AND i could
see how you, know third and, six you need seven,
yards LIKE i COULD i could see. IT i could
see that guy being a reliable player for a, quarterback
a chain. Mover, yeah, YEAH i.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Agree i'll talk About Lean, Larson i'll talk about your
guy because he got like he was on the field
with the top. Unit, yeah quite a. Bit and that's
With Romander stevenson nut, there so it comes with that.
Caveat but you talk about that third running back, spot
kind of seems like he's Pushing Antonio gibson.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Already he has some. Bursts.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah now the top end speed is it is he
the fastest running? Back, no but his bill to get
to his top speed out Of cutts is like those
like first ten five to ten. Yards, yeah he is
kind of shot out of a. Cannon so they were
using him in some pony, looks WHICH i thought was
interesting because that's a little more advanced than maybe the
basic stuff you're gonna run with the guys you plan

(55:17):
on just having out there for the. Preseason SO i
thought it was an encouraging day for him.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Yesterday both those, GUYS i definitely you can see how
they fit into this. McDaniels you know the, role you've
seen the role, before you know the look of, it
you know the type of, player and both those guys
fit into those you, know that third down pass catching,
back you, Know rex burkehead type of, role maybe even
if you're projecting him to be a little bit more

(55:43):
well rounded in terms Of laris and then obviously the
slot receiving. Role For, chisholm like you see. It, yeah
those are the types of guys that you see it.
With and, YEAH i probably mentioned this After Rookie, minicamp
but you, know With, CHISHOLM i was talking To Eric
galco who's the director of The Shine, bowl and you
know he's he was, Legitimately eric was legitimately upset with
teams that they Let chishim go undrafted because of the forty,

(56:05):
Time like the forty time is why he went. Undrafted
and his production was just off the charts At Eastern.
Washington and he was just exactly the type of receiver that's,
quick not, fast and is just what he, is, Right
he's just the type of receiver that he, played type
of role that he, plays and And eric really felt
like he should have been drafted and thought that he
was a lot of people, thought you, know better than other,

(56:26):
guys you know, better you know than some of the
other players in that mold that did get. Drafted SO
i think there's some excitement there For ft and Chisel
man layers a.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Cup, More udfa takes yeah real. Quick the guy that
a guy we talked a lot of coming out Of
Rookie Minie.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Camp that we didn't see as much of WAS. Cj. Dupree,
yeah it actually.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Looks like It's jack West over that maybe he has
the early inside track on that third tight end.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Spot For jack.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
West, over that's the guy that's dealt with some injuries
and there's some talent there there. Is he's been, hurt
but you, know so that'll be something to. Watch you
gotta give me like thirty seconds On Ben wooldridge because
you were to me for. This YEAH i said, this
and you kind of rolled your. Eyes but there's something to.
This Ben woldridge knows how to be a backup.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Quarterback it's just such a the WAY i, Rolled and
no disrespect To Ben. WOOLRIDGE i rolled my eyes in
disrespect to you because it's such a you take like it's, like,
oh that guy doesn't actually have aspirations to be a.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Start THAT i don't mean it THAT i don't mean
it the sense he doesn't have aspirations to be a.
Starter but this will make sense in a. Second he's
in college for seven. Years he started nineteen, games eleven
to them were last. Season some of that was due to,
injuries but like we heard this last, year a lot
With Drake may when he was Behind Jacoby, versett and
then With Joe milton about how there's only so many

(57:41):
reps available at the quarterback position and how do you
get better when you're maybe not out?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
There And Ben woldridge is a guy who has.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Been in that spot quite a bit AND i think
he knows how to make the most of. It and
WHAT i mean by that which stood out to. Me
we heard a lot last year about mental. Reps that
was a big talking point this time last. Year this
is such a where and you see it where the
rest of the when they're running, team the rest of
the offenses on the, sideline the quarterback and this isn't,
uncommon quarterback will go stand about ten fifteen yards behind the,

(58:10):
offense directly behind the quarterback that's in the live, drill
usually next to the offensive coordinator one of the, coaches
and you'd stand back there so you can see, it
and you mentally go through in your, head all, right
this is WHAT i would do AS i see it.
Happen Ben woldridge took that to another. LEVEL i don't
remember seeing anybody do it to this level. Before he's
miming the entire thing where literally down in the quarterback state.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Mic, yeah he's.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Pointing out the, mic he's going through the full. Drop
it looked like its synked up at. Times so this
was when they were split. Fields it Was Drake may
on one, side Then dobbs And woldridge on the, Other
like it synked up perfectly With dobbs and it looked
like a glitch in the. Matrix but there's also times
where like he's pointing out the mic back behind the
play Before dobbs, did and so it's like he's really

(58:57):
making the MOST i think of the situation he's in
and we ultimately he's got to make, plays and he
didn't have a ton of.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
Reps it was a lot more favorite Towards dobbs on
that side of the.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Field and, Yeah i'm sure he'll get more chances once
we get into the summer and obviously the, preseason and
he's gonna have to make. Plays but for a guy
that's probably in the outside looking in For ross or,
SPOT i don't think it's, impossible but in the outside
looking in or we know they're going to keep a
third quarterback on the practice, squad but prove he can
be that. Guy this coaching staff that talks so much
about being involved in you know that that level of

(59:29):
engagement all. That, ye that kind of process is something
that's probably gonna go over well for, them go over
well with.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Them so it was.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Interesting it was kind of fascinating to. See i've never
seen anybody do. That it's probably a good thing for
him if. It you, know he has to make plays
at the end of the. Day that's not saying he's
going to Push dobbs for the backup job or, anything
but it was it was an interesting. Process the third string,
quarterback weirdly, enough is going to be talked about on
this team locked. In, well, no it's going to be
talked about because they Traded Joe, milton sure, right and

(59:58):
so it's going to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Be something we.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Discussed and So Ben waldridge is going to be somebody come.
Preseason if he doesn't look, good why they Trade Joe?
Milton or if he looks, good see that's why they
Traded Joe. Milton it's, weird but you know people are
going to do. That so it's interesting to watch his
process and it is a fascinating process to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Me so that was a lot of time On Ben.
WOOLRIDGE i will he's if he's the third, Quarterback it's like,
fine it's, fine he's if he's on the practice, squad
if he's on the. ROSTER i would probably prefer him
to just be on the practice. SQUAD i, know you
know that makes it harder at the emergency quarterback and
all that kind of. Stuff BUT i if he's a

(01:00:37):
third quarterback in, camp, camp barham and then a practice,
squad you, know the third, qbeah totally.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Cool, look we know they're going to keep it third
quarterback somehow, somewhere whether it's on the practice squad or
the active. Roster is it him or are they gonna
have to go get, somebody you, know maybe after spring,
practices before camp or after camp or. Something and so
it's the quarterback. Position everything's under a, microscope and can
he be that guy or they have to going to
go get somebody. ELSE i like his, Process that's basically my.

(01:01:04):
TAKEAWAY i like his. Process all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Right so that was day two overall of. OTAs we
didn't mention one. Thing day one of OPEN. Oto we should.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Give Javon baker credit made the catch of the. Day
we didn't talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
It he did still in the mix which we kind
of wondered how much he'd be made a great. Catch
he's the one guy That Beacon soalies boxed him out
on a comeback back shoulder play back shouldered.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
A Great he made a great. Catch you did make a.
Catch you were also we were talking during practice About Jalen.
POLKHO i believe it's a shoulder right that he heard
at the very end of last. Year, yes and he.
Was he was off to the, side but he was
working With i'm blanking on a coach's, Name Rolly Larkin Riley.

(01:01:44):
State they hire From Ohio. State it seemed like they
were running the offense like they were going through the
routes that he would be running if he was. Participating
so he's kind of Like, woolridge like he's trying to
take those mental reps and stay locked. In it doesn't
seem like he's he's a full go yet in terms
of participating in team. Drills So jalen poll kind, of you,

(01:02:05):
know still pacing his way. Back Javon baker made a
nice play on that back shoulder. FADE i thought he
could have finished a cash down the field potentially too
that he, didn't but could play on him on that
back shoulder. Fade i'll say the same Thing i've always
said About Javon. Baker it's not talent like the. Guy
the guy has. Ability he's got a lot of talent
and probably would have been drafted even higher if it

(01:02:26):
wasn't for all the other stuff he's. Got it to,
me he has to prove that he can be locked
in like that mentally bought, in locked in on the,
system you know that that whole. Thing, like if he
can prove that he can do all of that and
every it's not the thing about being in THE nfl
is it can't be once a week like it has

(01:02:47):
to be every single, Day, right you have to come
out and you have to be one hundred percent every,
Day like that's how you have to be if You're Javon.
Baker if he can do, that which has been a
little bit of a, Concern but if he can do,
that THEN i think he's got all the ability in
the world to make this roster and push for playing
time because it's not a great receiver. Room it's not

(01:03:07):
like there's a bunch of studs in front of him
at that, position especially Until diggs comes, back you, know
there is wide open there in terms of reps with this.
Group SO i still think That Javon baker Or Jalen
polk can make a. Push But Jalen polk's got to
get out there. Again, Obviously Javon baker's got every single
day he's got to be locked. In it doesn't mean

(01:03:28):
he has to be first one, in last one out
like he doesn't have to be a, cliche but you
just have to be as locked in as you possibly
can be on all those. Days so that's uh OTAs
we took a lot away from one day OF. Ota
so that's what we do in a, WEEK i bet
you you know will probably none of it will. Matter

(01:03:48):
hopefully in a couple of, weeks hopefully none of those
interceptions that we talked about at the beginning of the
show will have any. Credence but what we're going to transition,
now we'll take your phone, calls we'll take your. Email
else open up the show, here maybe talk a little
bit of push. PUSH i know you have a take
on that the receding proposal by The Detroit lyons also

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you guys have been. WAITING i apologize as. ALWAYS i
don't know if this is, on trying to figure that,
out maybe not stalling doing my. Best let me, See

(01:04:55):
i'll fix. It Maybe alex can fix, it maybe Other.
Alex can you pull up those? Calls you can pull
Up sean for us, first because he's been waiting the. Longest,
Sewan you're, there what's?

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Up?

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Sewn all?

Speaker 7 (01:05:08):
Right i'm, here we got. YOU i have a comp
for twelve rookies AND i just wanted to hear your
opinions on What i'm, Guessing so we'll start With Will.
CAMPBELL i Have Colts Bernard, raymond running Back Travon. HENDERSON
i Have, Packers Aaron, jones wide, Receiver Carl. WILLIAMS i

(01:05:30):
Have Broncos Marvin nim's, Center Jared, Wilson BROWN'S Jc, tretter
Safety Craig Woodson, Titans Comoni, hooker The intensive defensive Tackle Joshua,
farmer multiple Teams Carlos, watkins Edge Brandon, Swinston, Saints Carl, granderson,
Kicker Andy Borack, Gallas, Browns Dustin, hopkins left, Tackle Marcus, Bryant,

(01:05:55):
Lions Dan, skipper long Snapper Julian, Ashby, Texans john we
Quarnerback Kobe MINOR cfl multiple team At gainey and IF
udfa pullback Brock lamp The allions of Course. Lessenger so
let me know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
What you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Think, Thanks Thanks, Sean thanks for research. There, YEAH i
love doing. Comps it's one of my favorite parts of draft.
Season i'd just love to think about, it and it's
just a cool way to kind of encapsulate a. Prospect
and no one is saying that those guys are going
to be one for one are exactly their careers but
it's just a cool way to encapsulate. It i've heard

(01:06:32):
The Bernard raymond comp a time For Will. CAMPBELL i
would say That raymond is a little bit what's the,
WORD a little bit, wider a little bit, longer but
not as. NASTY i Think Will campbell's got a little
bit more of an edge to him Than Bernard. Raymond
BUT i think that's a decent. ONE i think that's
a good. One With Travon. HENDERSON i see a lot
Of Breeze hall In Travon. Henderson that's just my com

(01:06:54):
Form Aaron, JONES i GUESS i could kind of see
that as, well you, know more of a speed. Guy
Kyle williams With Marvin. Mims mimms had a good rookie.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
Year.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
YEAH i really Like Marvin mims coming. OUT i Think
mims is a little bit more of a. Returner, yeah
he's also he has more ball. SKILLS i don't know
that he's the the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Separator, YEAH i hear. You, Yeah, no those are good,
comps THOUGH i agree with a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
THEM i like The Marcus Bryant Dan skipper. One that's
actually a good, one big athletic tackle that you can
probably get creative With if you want swing tackle, potential
he's probably gonna, be you, know, backup fringe. Starter but
there's value in that. Guy that's actually that's a good
Comp Dan.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Skipper Dan skipper has carved out a real nice career
for himself In. Detroit, Okay Marcus brian ends up Being
Dan skipper and he's you, know there a third tackle
a tackle eligible guy can spot star like, That Dan
skipper is a solid. PRO i Think Dan skipper at
a seventh round. Pick all. Day all, Right patty is an.
Aguam what's Up patty?

Speaker 8 (01:07:53):
Gentlemen, hey just a couple of things. Today first. Thing,
FIRST i Know i'm just a fan in my opinion doesn't,
matter But i'm lobbying For alex to get to the
joint practices insane In minnesota ninety eighty. Five if you're,
listening get our guys or get your guy. There, great
that's the first. Thing AND i wanted to get your
guys opinion on. SOMETHING i really feel, like especially if

(01:08:18):
they go into the season, healthy that this defense could
really hit the ground running this. Year AND i, think
especially if they're able to generate some good pass, rush
especially from the, INSIDE i think those two outside corners
are going to feast AND i think you, know it
might be quarterway midway through the season where the offense

(01:08:39):
hits its. STRIDE i just want to get your guys
opinion on. That i'll take it off the. Air as,
always the guys are the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Best, Thanks, patty appreciate. IT i don't know if You
you probably don't know about, this But fred asked me
how you were doing yesterday on the. Show, OKAY i,
said you're doing. GREAT i nothing the faarius about, that
BUT i said that we're hoping that you're going to
get to joint Practices. Minnesota And fred gave a whole
speech at the end of the show that you should

(01:09:05):
show your bosses about why you should be going to
join practices In. Minnesota he did not say that you
would be coming with. Us he said ninety EIGHT i
should send, you but he.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
Did have the whole. SPEECH i appreciate. That frill to
check it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Out, yeah you should check it. Out it was good
AND i think he takes like you, know he jokingly
maybe he took a little bit of credit for getting
you to the, combine which was obviously not, him but
where he gave the same a similar speech about the
combine and talk that into. Existence so maybe he's going
to talk this into existence for you as. Well when

(01:09:38):
will the offense hit it? Stride it's a good. Question
there's some elements to, it like When's dig's, Healthy LIKE
i think that's a big. Question you, know if that's
not until midway through the, season then you know you
don't really see the whole offense at its full. CAPACITY
i think a lot of people were hoping that we
were going to come into this season and even On may,

(01:10:02):
twentieth we were going to immediately be talking about a
year or two leap From drake may, right that it
was going to be, immediate that he was going to
come in more, confident he was going to come in,
better and it was just gonna, be you, know flip
the switch and we're hit the ground. Running this might
be like a two step you, know one step back
to go two steps forward situation because of the coaching,
change and so it could take a little bit more.

(01:10:24):
Time but with that being, SAID i still feel like
by midway through training camp he will it will click
just like it did for him last. Year LIKE i
think we're gonna be on a similar. Trajectory now he's
going to start week, One he's not gonna start week. Five,
like we're not gonna have that whole. Thing BUT i
think that there's gonna be a similar timeline or path
here just because of THE oc change its second year

(01:10:44):
quarterback to change. Coordinators so obviously there's gonna be a
little bit of an adjustment or a learning. Curve BUT
i won't start worrying about it until we're probably through
Those minnesota joint practices and it's still not.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Clicked let's, say once you get to the, preseason that's
where that's where it gets a little more, Worrisome, yeah
because that's when you start like the competitive portion and
preparing really preparing for you, know you're always preparing for the,
season but like really preparing for like The Raider raiders
and stuff like. That All, Right randy is In. Providence what's?

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
Up?

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Randy here goes how's it?

Speaker 9 (01:11:16):
Going?

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Good, so like The ota takeaways, yesterday LIKE i, Thought morgan,
moses that guy has got to be the best value
signing of the off, season.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Maybe in the WHOLE.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Nfl right the way he's kind of taken on that
mentoring role and embraced it so, Much like he was
even talking about giving Key On white tips that guy
and having the locker right next To Will. Campbell just
these small things that ARE i really think is going.

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
To help a.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Lot and he kind of like looks almost like an
older player that's work like working on transitioning to a
coaching career after his. Career MAYBE i don't, know but
what do you guys think about, that like his? Future
do you.

Speaker 6 (01:11:59):
Think he'll be a go in the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Future and then just question number two was about the
fortune in foxboroughs heer as it came out they were
talking about Like rabel was talking To bryant after they drafted, him,
saying you, know derely impressed everybody when you came, here et.
Cetera AND i was, thinking there's a lot of guys
that did top thirty visits here that they ended up.

(01:12:20):
Drafting do you guys think that's a trend that continues
next year or do you think because a lot of
teams the top thirty, visits they use them, differently you
know WHAT i, Mean like some of the teams use
them as a. Distraction some of the teams specifically don't
bring in the guys they want to. Draft do you
think this is kind of indicative of how this front
office and team was going to operate throughout this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Regime, yeah it's a good, Question. RANDY i. DO i
believe that there's going to be a lot of stock
put into this Because Mike rabel is one of those
types of, guys at least from What i've, observed that
wants to sit across the table from somebody and try
to look inside a guy's head and really kind of
get to know the. Guy not only, that but, also you,
know go put the pads on and actually you, know

(01:13:06):
feel guys like he likes to, say on the offensive
and defensive. Line they were setting it up really.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
WELL i Know verrabel said he never wants to getting,
out so maybe that's all. Right THOUGHT i thought we
were going to see the. CLIP i thought they were
setting it up to play the clip Of Will campbell
Hitting Mike. Rabel But rabel seems serious about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
IT i get.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
It he seems. Serious that clip is in the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Vault SO i definitely feel like whether it's thirty, visits
we don't necessarily learn as much about private workouts pre,
draft like The Will campbell workout as a private workout
we didn't know about until after the. Draft but those
types of things are going to mean something was going
to hold more weight BECAUSE i think he's that kind of.
Cat Like rabel wants to get get to know the.

(01:13:46):
Guy he wants to be across the table from you
to study, you put you on the. Spot and that's
another thing that you hear a lot about with, him
that he wants to make you, uncomfortable like he doesn't
know a lot of teams bring guys in to make
them comfortable and get to know them like as. People
rabel almost wants to test, you like he wants to
make you uncomfortable and see how you react to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
That SO i was watching this old. CLIP i don't
know what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
From it just kind of came up on my YouTube
this morning Of it must have Been america's game with
The Two.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Bucks yeah In.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
Gruden, yeah and there's this this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Thing With John lynch who was, like, Yeah Tony duney
would come out and tell, you all, right let's have
a good. Day, Yeah Like ingruden would come out and
tell You, Lynch i'm gonna throw five quick slants right
through your.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Ear there's nothing you could do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
About, it like before practice and it's, like what the,
Heck it's like a wake up. Call, Yeah AND i
do think there's some of that With rabel where it's
like that's kind of and it's not just about the thirty,
visits just kind of his. Tone it's like he's encouraging
you at the same time he's kind of calling you.
Out so, YEAH i, REMEMBER i believe it. WAS i
don't remember who wrote.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
It it was on The. Ringer i'll get the name
in a. Second he wrote a piece On rabel going
behind the scenes In. TENNESSEE i think it's like the
twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three, season right After
rabel One coach of The, year and he had his
story About Ben jones the. Center there is a longtime
center for The titan Where rabel is an early, riser wakes,
up you, know four or five o'clock in the. Morning

(01:15:04):
sometimes he would wake up and he would Text Ben
jones and he's already done like some insane peloton, ride
right like, You i've already biked ten miles. Today what
have you? Done you know that sort of, Thing And
Ben jones, said every single morning you'd get a text
From Mike rabel motivating him to go work, out, go you,
know get his day started and all that kind of.
Stuff that's just the type of guy that he. Is all,

(01:15:26):
right let's go To pat In PA's panky news hang
on that you were gonna. Live let's Take pat first
and then we'll go do. It go, Ahead, pat hey.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
Boy two quick.

Speaker 9 (01:15:35):
Things, one why is the viy In Venerian low still
on the?

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
Team are very well?

Speaker 6 (01:15:40):
Cut these two off throat crosser restep one being.

Speaker 9 (01:15:44):
A character is who and the other being you, know
an insurance sales and plane dress up as let's.

Speaker 8 (01:15:48):
Tackle and the second.

Speaker 5 (01:15:49):
Thing is and or season?

Speaker 8 (01:15:51):
Two have you?

Speaker 6 (01:15:51):
Watched what are your?

Speaker 9 (01:15:52):
Thoughts let me?

Speaker 6 (01:15:53):
Know?

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Thanks Thanks. Pat so it is not so much with
A Venerian. LOW I i you, know, THOUGH i this
time of, year you're gonna have like sixteen offensive linemen
on the, roster so there's gonna be a lot of.
Guys it is interesting to me just getting out there
the holdovers, right especially on, Defense Tavay Anthony. Jennings you,

(01:16:17):
know the two Safeties dugger And, peppers But jennings And.
TAVAYA i really do find fascinating in particular because they
definitely fit A belichick, defense like they're you, Know jennings
is a three to four edgesetter through and through like
that's what he does.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Well it's an early down edge. Cetter you, Know tavai
is A, belichick a fixer hybrid. Linebacker you know that
those guys fit the old. System they fit the old.
Defense it is interesting to me that those guys are still.
Around not BECAUSE i don't think that they can, play
LIKE i think both those guys are solid football players
when used, correctly but it DOES i don't know exactly

(01:16:52):
where they fit into the, puzzle you, know where they
kind of cut some of the guys that didn't fit the,
puzzle you, know So i'm interested to see what. HAPPENS
i don't know what he was talking about with the other.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
THING i, think, like did he start it was one
of The Star WARS tv, shows, Right oh, Yeah, NO
i don't do THE tv shows as much AS i.
SHOULD i lost the plot and kind of. SURPRISE i
watched The Obi Wan kenobi one that was like kind
of like a short, right it wasn't like a full
on show where there's multiple. Seasons i've watched season one

(01:17:22):
Of MANDALORIAN i. DIDN'T i haven't watched the more recent. Ones,
yeah not not so. Much but what did you want
to tell?

Speaker 6 (01:17:28):
Me?

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Uh the they announced this Year's Hard knocks. Team, yeah
The Buffalo. Bills that makes a lot of. Sense that
doesn't make it's THE mvp of the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
LEAGUE i thought you don't do it if you were
in the playoffs last. Year, Though, no you. Can't it's
you might be able to opt. OUT i don't. KNOW
i don't remember the. Rules the rules are escaping. ME i.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Do you can do it when you're in the, playoffs
but it's when you embarrass yourself in the playoffs is
one you can?

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Do there we. GO i do know that you. Can,
uh if you switch, coaches, right you're you're automatically. Out
so that's why you know The patriots couldn't be. It but,
yeah that's interesting one that They're they're an exciting. Team
people like The. BILLS i know you don't like The.
Bills you don't understand. IT i thought you, KNOW i understand,

(01:18:15):
it and that's WHY i don't like. YOU i thought
you were going to tell me something, different and you
can segue into the the in. Season uh is going
to be THE Nfc, east by the, Way so maybe
More Joe shane On Hard. Knocks That's Jerry Jones specials
what that. Is, Yeah so a couple of things from
the league meetings this week that we wanted to talk.
About i'll get to your your toush push take in a,

(01:18:37):
second but this is one that just came across THAT
i absolutely. LOVE i think this is awesome and long
overdue to give the big boys up front some. Love,
so according To Troy, vincent THE nfl Executive Troy, vincent
they have a new award that they're going to give
away at the end of the. Season with THE mvp
and all the other, awards this is going to go

(01:18:57):
to the best offensive lineman in the. League they're gonna
call It protector of The. Year it's the best offensive
lineman in THE. NFL i love. THIS i think this
is long. Overdue no offensive lineman's ever gonna Win rookie
of The year OR mvp Or Offensive player of The.
Year it's just not gonna. Happen they're never gonna get that.
Award you, Know Pass rusher could get that. Award Aaron

(01:19:18):
donald has won like a Million Defensive player of the.
Years like it's possible for defensive line players to get,
awards and it's never possible for an offensive lineman to
get an award like this other than you, Know All
pro Or Pro. BOWL i absolutely love. IT i think
this is. Awesome you, KNOW i don't know who it's named,
after if it, is but they deserve. Protector it's Called

(01:19:40):
protector of The. Year, YEAH i don't know if it's
LIKE i don't, Know Thomas trophy or something like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
That, baseball like for relievers was the Delivery man of
The year for a, While SO i like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
That it's kind of creative like. THAT i love. THIS
i think that it's long overdue that they get some.
RECOGNITION i think you could make a strong case every
single year that there's certain linemen that are the most valuable.
Players you are the. Best you. Know last Year rookie
of The year obviously goes To Jaden daniels in a,
runaway as it should, have but, like there is a

(01:20:13):
really good case to be made that Besides, Daniels Joe
alt was the best rookie in the ENTIRE, nfl but
he was never gonna win that, Award and If daniels didn't.
Exist it was going to go to Like Molik neighbors
or something like. That so the lineman gets some, love
AND i think that that's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Awesome well maybe and maybe there's a rookie version of
this to come down the road.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
TOO i do like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
It the next, step and this is either side of the,
ball offense or. Defense we got to get a linement
on the cover Of. Madden Joe THOMAS i thought was
a good. SHOT Jj watt would have been. Great obviously
too late, There Pina, seul especially if The lions make
like another run pin A SEOUL i think could be
a cover. Athlete Miles garrett on the defensive line could

(01:20:54):
be a cover, athlete, RIGHT.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
I would think they Missed, Bodan Aaron donald or.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Whatever but like we are, due and Sometimes madden will
line up the cover with like innovations to the, game
and they're the cycle in which they tweak things they're
a little overdue, to like tweak their offensive defensive line.
Logic so it's perfect you tweak, that put a lignment
on the. Cover that's next. Step this is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Good next, Step let's get a lignman on the cover
of Mad this is. Awesome LIKE i keep, SAYING i
think that the linemen are so, underrated and we've seen
it here for the last couple of. Years when you
have a bad offensive, line it just rerecks your entire.
Offense AND i get it's a five man unit and
it's not about one guy, Necessarily but when you have
A Trent, williams A Penny swl you, know when A Jarred,

(01:21:38):
malada when you have a player like that that anchors
your offensive line the way that it just makes your
offense run both smoothly but also how much more dynamic
your offense can. Be, like think about all the different
things that The lions can do schematically in the run
game because they Have Penny, sewel like all the different
polls and all the different leads and all the different second,

(01:22:00):
levels and all the things that he can do in,
space and that unlocks like a whole dimension of their
run game that other teams just simply can't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Test so that brings us to the logical, Question, yeah
who who's your pick inaugural Winner protector of The Ear?

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Award IF i had to vote on guys last, Year,
no who do you think is going to win it this?
Year so here's my here's my two cents on. That,
okay the one concern THAT i. Have, yeah no offense
to anybody in THE. Ap if this is just gonna
be off OF, pff his highest graded offensive, lineman then
we need to do, better, RIGHT i, Agree, yeah you

(01:22:36):
have to find. It let's not this is.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Weird we're talking about a position like, this disposition getting
this award because they're always.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Overlooked, yeah which is.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
True but now we have to say within, that let's
not just make this a tackle. Award, yeah BECAUSE i
feel like it could become that MAYBE i don't, know
If Joe toney's just passed that. Window Like Joe, toney
if they instituted, This Joe tuoney would have won three
or four of these are like Prime Zach martin would have.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Won About Quentin.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Nelson so let's make sure this isn't just a tackle, award.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Not just a tackle. Award AND i, AGAIN i wonder
if there's a way that maybe there can be a
committee that can at least. Advise did they say is
it AN ap award or it says it's an end
of season? Award So i'd assume that that means that
it's AN ap, award just LIKE Mvp rookie of The,
year so on and so. Forth but it's going to

(01:23:25):
be presented AT nfl. Honors like that's that's the way it.
Sounds so it doesn't necessarily need to be. That it
goes to like a subcommittee that votes on the, award
just within the. Committee but maybe can we have Like
Andrew whitworth and Like Dante scarnekia like just like advise the,
voters like just like maybe like puts out some, pitches

(01:23:47):
right and be, like this is why this guy deserves
it or whatever the case.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Makes what a lot of these awards Are and this
is something SO i talked about this another show for
The Patriots hall Of, fame, right if they ever want
to move away from the full fan.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Vote, yeah and with.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
This you would need to win eight a few years
to institute this or maybe find a way to backdoor.

Speaker 5 (01:24:03):
It.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
In, sure there are some awards where either a portion
of the voting or all the voting is living former. Winners,
yeah so maybe you take all THE ap linemen from
the last ten, years right who want to be a
part of, it that's who, votes and then over time
that turns into just the previous winners vote, Right maybe

(01:24:26):
that's the way you do.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
It, so IF i had to, GUESS i think there's
two guys that are front runners right now for the
award next. Year that was your original. Question Tristan WARF's
definitely has a very good chance to win this. Award
and then you, know those two GUYS i think right
now are the two best tackles in football making a tackle? Award,
yeah AND i am making an.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
ATTACK i don't know that there's any guards right now
that are who's the best garden football? Right it's probably Still, tony,
RIGHT i don't know To tuney Is so the ap
guards last year Were Tony, Miners lindstrom And.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Nelson, Yeah, Lins trim's really good, Streight, yeah but they're
not on. THAT i don't know if they're on like
A Zach martin. Level, YEAH i.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Know as much AS i said that this probably isn't
landon uh is, Land dickerson a, Center, yes he got
guard guard vote. Apparently, yeah as much AS i said
that this shouldn't be a tackle award this, year it's
probably skewy SO i would say wharfs and uh and
so we'll have the best, chance outside chance maybe Like Jordan,
mylatta you, know just because The eagles offensive line is

(01:25:28):
probably gonna dominate.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Again SO I Landon dickerson might have played, guard didn't
That jurgens play? Center that's? Right yeah About Creede, humphrey good,
player good football.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Player some of THIS i wonder if it's going to
come down, to like you have to be on a good.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Line, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Well SO i what they should do is have AN
nfl version of The Joe Moore, award.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Which i'd be all for.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
That so The Joe More award in college, football it's
a collective. Award players individually can call Themselves Joe Morrow
Joe Moore award, winners but it is awarded to the
best offensive line collectively in the country every, year and
it's basically A Big ten. Award it's Usually, michigan But
elis who's won a COUPLE, Ls who's won a Couple

(01:26:10):
washington won one. RECENTLY i think they should have AN
Nfl Joe Moore award that goes to the best offensive.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Line that would be cool. Too, okay So protector of
The year next, year but probably. WHARFS i think one
of those GUYS.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
I do hope we get a garter tackle, early to
establish the garter center, early to establish the fact that
it's not a.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Tackle not next. Year it's gonna take a couple of.
Years is there a chance That Will campbell ever wins.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
This fourth overall? Pick you wanted to be in the,
mix be in the. Mix you wanted to be in
there and win. It at two win a? Guard would
they move? THEM i think he should be in the
mix at.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
He's the best offensive line because.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
There will be still be people bemoaning that they took
him fourth.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Overall, yeah, yeah, okay well you can bemoan that on
your own. Time all, right let's let's go back to
the phones. Here todd is in mass that says that
it's Up.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Todd, hey It's North.

Speaker 6 (01:27:02):
Carolina, todd AND i about The John Hannah ward for you,
know the laughing guys that historically there's a guy that's better.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Than Hannah John hannah got. It, yeah that's, bad not
bad like.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
That that hammer's home the fact it's not just for.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Tackles there you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Go, yeah, honestly sorry to cut. Off should should be
the car next for you? Guys if we're named after a, Patriot,
no offense To John.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Hannah go, ahead go, Ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:27:27):
Todd all, Right So i'm looking at this season and
listening to you, guys and you guys have more positive
points than negative. Points it's like, this if this, happens
this will be good compared to other. Years here's my,
question And i'll give you my answer. Quick if they
get over five, hundred it's because in my, case it's

(01:27:47):
coaching lifted everybody. Up if they're under five, hundred it's
because the old line just didn't make. It so that's
my question for you, too BECAUSE i think you guys
got some pretty good insights on, that even just In.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Ota, yeah thanks for the. Call. TODD i would, SAY
i know it's over, simplistic, probably but maybe it's just
recent recency creeping in because of. Yesterday like this whole
thing starts and ends With Drake. May If Drake may
takes the next step and has that year two leap
and goes to being you, know it becomes A i

(01:28:18):
don't want to put a number on, it but becomes
a real franchise. Guy because let's face, IT i think
it's premature to say That Drake may is a franchise.
QUARTERBACK i Think Drake may has franchise. POTENTIAL i think
it's the all of the potential and talent in the
world to get. There BUT i think it's a little
premature to say that he is right. Now If Drake
may takes that next step and he becomes a true

(01:28:39):
franchise guy in year, two they will be in above
five hundred. Team they'll probably make the. Playoffs, yeah if he,
doesn't then they're probably going to fall below, expectation like
that's just the nature of The.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
BEAST a lot of this optimism banks on the idea
That Drake may takes the year two, Leap like the
double digit win projection in large part banks on the
idea That Drake may is going to be better than
he was last.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Year AND i get. It you, know they word what
ten and seven max rookie year with average quarterback, Play
so there is a path with an easier, schedule there's
a path that they could still be a nine or
ten win, team you, know just based off of better
coaching and not beating, themselves an average quarterback play and
all that kind of. Stuff SO i understand that there's
another side to that. Argument but in order to truly

(01:29:20):
hit their, ceiling and you, know friends of our program
and friends of ours, have you, know maybe projected something
like thirteen wins in some cases in order to hit
those types of, ceilings like they they're going to need
the quarterback to get them. There SO i hate to
put it all on, him but it kind of a.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Position it is all on.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Him, yeah, absolutely all, Right nate is In. Chicago it's, Up. Nate,
hey what's, up?

Speaker 8 (01:29:44):
Guys how you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Good what you Got i've got just two.

Speaker 8 (01:29:48):
Fun questions for. YOU i wouldn't take them too, seriously.

Speaker 9 (01:29:51):
But, UH i was, wondering what do you Think Christian
gonzalez's floor and ceiling would be as a wide? Receiver
and Then i've got a hut up For Kyle. Williams
what DO i think About Calvin ridley as a Com Kyle.
Williams i'll take it, off, guys appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
You, thanks thanks for the.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
Neighborhood, YEAH i don't Mind Calvin. Ridley, yeah that's that's
not a bad. ONE a morphinesse.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
RECEIVER I Christian gonzales played, RECEIVER i believe in high.
SCHOOL i think he. Was some teams recruited him as. Wide, yeah,
no he definitely played has played receiver in his football.
JOURNEY i THINK i don't think it was in, college
BUT i believe it was high.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
School, no BUT i think some teams sometimes those guys
will like some some teams will recruit you as a.
Corner some teams will recruit you as a wide. Receiver
he was a better, corner BUT i think some teams
want him to play.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Receiver, uh what's? THIS i don't. Know i've never seen
him play wide. Receiver SO i mean he's a great.
Mover i'm. Sure i'm sure he could be a good.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Recet like if he had to go out and play
receiver tomorrow in AN nfl game with no, WORK i don't,
know it would probably be so so if you if
he actually worked at, it like he has all the
natural skills you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Need, Yeah i've seen him in practic. This i've seen
them make some one handed catches playing faux, receiver like
when they do like the the drills where they put
a guy against the guy and like you, know the
corners play a little receiver to give him a. Look
I've i've seen him make some cool catches doing. That
SO i bet you he could play receiver pretty. Well
it would obviously take, time but it is A it

(01:31:19):
is an interesting question given what's going on In jacksonville
With Travis hunter right, now so it would be cool
to see some of these guys try. It jordan is In.
Ohio what's, Up? Jordan two?

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
Questions number, one how would you guys feel about The
pats either The Samuel. Jr and then, secondly how much
do you guys make of it on the offensive line
be in a City sell at right tackle And Cole
strings plugged in at the starting left.

Speaker 8 (01:31:44):
Guard right?

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
Now thanks all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Taking off their Thanks. Jordan, yeah we talked a little
bit about the offensive line earlier in the. SHOW i
can understand Why Cole strange would sort of be giving
the getting the. Opportunities, well we'll see with. YOU i
we brought up brought Up, city so a couple of times.
Lighton robinson's not quite as, big but he's still more
of like a, power physical downhill. Blocker if they're gonna

(01:32:10):
do this type of stuff that they've done in the
past with, McDaniels I i do feel like that fits
more in their. TYPE i guess at left guard they
have been a little bit more athletic in the. Past
with you, Know toney obviously being the biggest, one but
it's it'll be interesting to see what they do there
in terms of left. Guard but what was the other
question the? END i don't.

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
Know he was good, TOO i don't. Remember could we
like run that?

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
BACK i don't remember. Either it's all, right maybe it'll
come to. Me kevin is In. Massachusetts what's, Up? Kevin? Oh,
Yeah Samuel. Jr, yeah let's Take kevin's call first and
we'll get me back to. That what's, Up? Kevin that's.

Speaker 8 (01:32:47):
Going i'm a huge fan of the.

Speaker 7 (01:32:49):
Podcast my question, is, so with all these Moves patriots
have made in the past, offseason what.

Speaker 8 (01:32:56):
Do you think they need to do become a now
a contender from the fringe?

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Playoffs thanks for the, call kevinixs uh and thanks for.
LISTENING i would, say what what do they have to?

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Do so like is this like looking at like what
do they have to be better? At or like what
do they need to add to the? Roster they need
to be better? At managing turnover both? Sides, yeah they
turn the ball over less on, offense create more turnovers on. Defense,
yeah and be better. Situationally those are the two big
adjustments they have to make roster. Wise, uh you, know
to look ahead to next, offseason you're gonna need to

(01:33:31):
get another tackle in the. Pipeline they still probably need
an true number of.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
APES i think.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
Number, one uh coverage dictating, receiver coverage dictating pass.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
Rushers. YEAH i think what you hope, is you, know
just from The Big pictures, standpoint is that you do
go nine to, eight ten and seven this Year Drake
may takes that leap and you're maybe a wild card
playoff team and you're you have some momentum and now
way there a Dk metcalf wants to come. HERE i

(01:34:03):
know he's you, know In pittsburgh, now But i'm, saying
like your more desirable destination.

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
To kar mclaurin's not practicing In washington.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
To come and add that cherry on top To Kyle
williams and maybe to another year Of Stefan diggs and you,
know and you keep on building that receiver room a little.
BIT i still feel like there's places on the roster
where their depth could still needs to be in. Reinforce
LIKE i feel like right now they have a really

(01:34:30):
solid like all twenty two right like they have like
a really solid starting frontline and starting you, know.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
Yeah there's always you can always improve the.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Depth if you look at how ridiculously deep The eagles, were,
like that's and they don't need to be that right.
Away that's what you're competing. With, yeah that's what a
super and we saw that. Here how many times did
they have guys here that played a rotational role at
best went elsewhere and we're, like really solid players. Elsewhere
that's what a championship team. Is it's not just about twenty,

(01:34:59):
two it's about the fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Three SO i look at tackle left tackle in particularly no,
disrespect but If Will campbell were to miss, time or
If Will campbell has to kick inside or whatever like,
that you're one step away From Vederian lowe being back
on the field right like. That they could probably do,
better you, know in the long run, There edge, RUSHER

(01:35:21):
i still feel like you're maybe missing like a true
factor edge, rusher like a guy that can be a
three down, player you, know A Matthew judon type of
player that can do.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
That their pass rush kind of reminds me their wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
Room they've got a bunch of, solid complimentary, players but
who's the guy that's taken all the Attention.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Love gonzales And Carlton davis on the. Outside you, know
with someone asked us about A Santa samuel junior Like nickel,
corner is that a spot that they could maybe elevate
moving forward To Santa Samuel. JR i feel like it
is mostly a slot Like nickel type. CORNER i don't
know if he's the, ANSWER i probably would say, no
but just in, general like Is marcus owns a guy

(01:36:00):
that can truly stay healthy playing seventy eighty percent of
the snaps in that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
Role and he's in a contract, here so is he even.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Right part of The? Yeah so that's that's another spot
THAT i look at on the. Roster. NOW i still
am interested to see their run defense up the middle
of the. Field, defensively now they're gonna want to be more.
Aggressive they're going to try to get up the field
more and maybe that mitigates some of. It but right,
now your best run stuffing defensive tackle is is Kiris? Tonga,

(01:36:28):
again no, disrespect but is that good? Enough? Like is that?
Right you, know when it's The jaguars In london last
year when they ran the ball nineteen straight times right
down your. Throat is this front going to be able
to stop that from. HAPPENING i think they're in better
shape to do. That but interior, wise and maybe this
is just my brain going back To belichick and Like

(01:36:50):
vince Will fork and you, know having like that true nose,
tackle it does feel like a little they're a little
soft in the middle still at. Times, Yeah so we'll
see what happens in those. Spots those are the spots
of the roster THAT i look at, now AND i
think the good thing about what they've done is it's
kind of like what The lions, did where The lions
had that draft and everybody poo pooed at the time
that ended up being a pretty good. Draft and it

(01:37:11):
Was Jamier, gibbs it Was Jack, campbell it Was Brian.
Branch the reason why those that draft got pa pooed
was because they were drafting non premium. Positions but WHAT
i think what people missed at the Time sam La
porter was in, there was that they already had the premium,
positions and they already Had Penny, sewol they already had a,
Quarterback they already had receivers that they had drafted or

(01:37:34):
high on you year before.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
They Drafted Aiden, hutchinson The Chanson williams the year before,
That pinney Seool am And Ross Saint brown and On
zeri cause they had pass rusher.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
There so if we assumed that all of the moves
The patriots have been and this will not be the.
Case but if we assume that all The patriots moves
that they, made at least the high level ones work
and work, out then you go into next year and
you don't the issue with needing all those premium. Positions
and it's hard to find premium talent at left, tackle,

(01:38:06):
quarterback wide, receiver you, know those pass rusher like these
are what everybody's looking. For so you're not going to
find that in the third. Round it's just not going to.
Happen so now if you are looking at non premium
positions and it's adding a run stuffing defensive, lineman and
it's adding a slot, corner and it's adding you, know
a linebacker play you know, depth and it's a third

(01:38:27):
tackle that it's a little bit better than what you,
have like those are easier to. Find maybe you can
go about it that. Way all, RIGHT a couple of
the emails here and THEN i want to get to
Your Touch push take BECAUSE i know you're fired up
about that. Earlier, actually give me Your Touch push take.
Now So Touch push officially not. Banned it's sticking.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Around they are two votes short of banning. It it
was like twenty two to ten and he twenty. Four
they did not get the. Votes The patriots reportedly voted
against banning The Toush. Push they voted to keep.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
It they wanted to keep The touch pake in side,
history which we Knew Mike rabel had said publicly he
was in support of keeping The Touch, Push so it's
not much of a.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
Surprise exact or not his exact, quote but his the
summation of his exact quote, was it's hard to Stop
Lamar jackson when he.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Scrambled should?

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
He?

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Should he not be allowed to do that. Either so
you were happy about?

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
This, Yeah i'm very happy about it because it's a
it's a Real the THING i hate about people complaining
about the. Touchbush so all, right let me start. Here
you don't like it because you can't stop. It there's
a very easy, one not very, easy but there's a
way to stop the Touch. Push don't let The eagles
get to third and, one don't let him get down
to the one yard.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Line, like that's how you stop. IT i, know but that's,
easier said, then but that's how you stop it if
they're a good football. Team so.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Like and then the other thing people say, is, well
so some people say there's injury. Concerns all the data
suggests that there's no injury. Problems is a lower injury
rate than the average.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Place so throw that one out the.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Window and then there's the it's not a real football,
play AND i as soon AS i tweed it, OUT
i was glad that it's.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Staying people, like, oh, great more.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
Rugby you might want to look up the history of
the sport and where it has its.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
Roots this is Very Bill belichick because it has.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Its roots in part and rugby back.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
As much a real football play as anything you're gonna
yell at.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Me the forward pass was not legal for.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Years if we want to talk about what Is don,
Corriel if we want to talk About Don coriole's big.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Time forward pass, guy that's a weird.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Take if we want to talk about what is actually
at the core of the, sport what is actually in
the history that that play you have to steal here
and the seal here and we're into the.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Alley that's That's Vince. LOMBARDY i Know i'm, saying this
is what you. Want this is real. Football it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
Is it is a Real it is as much the
essence of the game as there. Is and that doesn't
mean you can't throw the ball like there's room for
all of.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
It but there's room for all of.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
It you don't want it to, happen don't let him
get to and short situations or be smart like The
Tampa Bay buccaneers and signed four hundred sixty four Pounds
Desmond watson.

Speaker 4 (01:40:55):
As an undrafted free not going to make an. Impact
that's how he will against touch.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
PUSH i mean played. It you even make a point
of an impact against the, touchbull the two of.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Them it's it's it's a real football. Play it's what
the game is at its. Core it's not any more.
Dangerous it's not a gimmick like some people like to
say it is It just if it was that, easy
every team would do. It why doesn't every team run
the touch push year in and year out when they
get in a? Third one lot of teams, do and
the teams do The bills failed miserably. OUT i saw

(01:41:24):
The patriots try to do it last. Year they couldn't do. It,
yeah not everybody can do. It it's not like so
it's not some broken rule gimmick that you can. Exploit
it's The eagles built a team that can capitalize on
this one thing and they do.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
It good for. Them it's the same WAY i.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
Feel now this guy, tabled, thankfully but it's kind of
the same WAY i felt about That lion's rule proposal
to not see the playoffs by.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Division all, right let's get to that in a. Second
BECAUSE i haven't played touch. Push, okay go, Ahead So
i'm actually this might surprise. You, YEAH i was not
for banning the touch. Push i'm glad it's stay for two. Reasons,
ONE i feel as though as A patriots, fan it
would be hypocritical for me to now, say, no The
eagles are too good at, this so we're Gonna i'm
in favor of banning. It the pain we went through

(01:42:08):
this with The, patriots With Bill pollion and The, colts
and you, know legal Con man DOWN i legal, contact
and the reasons how many rules were written out of
the league because The patriots were exploiting the rule and
everybody else caught up in arms if The patriots were exploiting, it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
Even though if it was so easy to, exploit why
isn't everybody else doing? It you want to change the,
rules change.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
THEM i can't sit here and good, Conscience alex and
say ban the toush. Push when this was everybody was
up in arms and they would do this to The.
Patriots So i'm glad for The. Eagles that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
Good you want to beat the good, teams get, better
don't ask the league to stop them for.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
You the other reason WHY i was for keeping it
is THAT i think that The eagles would have just
been sneaking it just as well as they would be
without the. Push like if you ban the, push push
so they couldn't push from. Behind, YEAH i still think

(01:43:12):
The eagles would be like ninety five percent successful on quarterback,
sneats like they would be still be awesome at, it
because the key to the play is that they have
a ridiculously good offensive line and they have a quarterback
that can squat like six hundred, pounds, right And Jalen
hurts is just a, beast and he's great at burrowing
just Like brady, was but he's also just strong and

(01:43:36):
just a. Beast he can drive That piet, Right SO
i don't think that teams are gonna be any more
successful at stopping The like maybe it would have shaved
a percentage or two, off, right BUT i don't think
it would have been that. Substantial so to, me this
was all just sour graves from all angles because all
they were gonna do was not push him from, behind
and he was still going to get the first, down,
Right and so then what are you gonna complain about

(01:43:57):
banned the? Sneak like you, know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
There were people saying that that should be the next.
Step it is because it's non exciting. Play it is
a travesty that they almost allowed all of The eagles
competitors to just write a play that they have found
to be very successful out because they all can't stop.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
It like that's. Pathetic Like i'm.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
Sorry if there's any play that should be written, out
it's That Miami dolphins cheap motion because it actually is. Illegal,
yeah but that's another. Story but to your, point and
IF i can transition out of the other, one like
you don't want the tush push to be, there get
better stop, it get, creative figure out a way to stop,
it get better.

Speaker 4 (01:44:34):
Players same thing with the divisional. One that Was Sour grape's.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
Too The lions or whoever it was that put it
out there like they lost a potential home playoff game
and be.

Speaker 4 (01:44:46):
Better win your Division like that's it's that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Simple so was The, vikings? Right so The lions are
the ones that proposed the. Rule, Yeah and The lions
and The vikings both finished with great. RECORDS i can't
remember off the top of my. Head both won like thirteen.
Games The lions won the, division, right The lions won
that last game of the year and They so why
did they propose it then if they got the home
BECAUSE i think that they just probably felt. BAD i don't,

(01:45:10):
Know it's definitely not. It so The lions won the
division but FINISHED i, believe with the same record as The,
vikings but won the tiebreaker because of the head to
head and they ended up winning the. Division so The
vikings ended up being the highest wildcard, seed so they
were the five, seed which means that it meant that
they had to go on the road on wild card

(01:45:31):
weekend for the first round of the, playoffs even though
they had a better record than the team that they
were playing against at. Home so that's the way why
the rule was. Proposed you made a good point before
we got on the air about, it BECAUSE i was
thinking about this AND i was, like, well you still
make the playoffs for winning the, division, right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
So you can still Go so it was still gonna be,
yeah but like if a team got in at seven and,
nine they would be the seventh seed instead of the
right right eight and.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Nine, yeah, yeah so that was WHAT i was gonna,
Say like if you were eight and, nine like a
couple of years, ago that, happened, right there was a
division where the DIVISION i was every few.

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
Years, yeah the most famous one is That seahawks team
that got, in and then that was The Marshawn Lynch pismo.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Run, Right so you could still get in at eight
and nine and win the division and you would get
an automatic bid into the, playoffs but you would be
the seventh seed in the. Playoffs you would not be
the fourth seed in the. Playoffs THAT i could understand.
Now you made. It brought up a good point, though
those for the division end of season games like The
vikings and The lions last, year those would be obsolete

(01:46:36):
because both teams were already making the.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
PLAYOFFS i don't understand. This everybody says it makes the
games late in the season more. Important it. Doesn't it
makes them less. Important if two teams are playing to
get a playoff, spot they're playing to get a playoff.
Spot whereas like if you have two teams at the
top of the, division it's gonna be, like you, know in,
baseball for how many years The Red sox And yankees
would both have ninety something wins and it was you,
know they'd meet In september and they're both clearly in

(01:46:59):
the play at this, point.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
You, know the.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
Division it didn't mean anything to win the, Division so
it should mean something if you want to get.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
A home playoff because home playoff games are.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
Valuable and some people will, say, well you, know it
would still mean something down the. Line that's a lot
different if it's two teams In week, Sixteen, oh you,
know this is potential home field advantage on the line
in THE Nfc. Championship that's like a month and a
half from.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
NOW i don't.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
Care and, yeah we used to do that with The
patriots And, colts but that was, different, right and.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
It still might.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
Be if they're that, good your wildcard team you can
win on the. Road winning your division should. Matter it
creates those, rivalries it makes those games mean. More we
were talking about The south the, air and it was
a really good. Point if they were to pass something like,
this they would need to completely change the way they
do the, schedule because you don't you shouldn't be playing
divisional teams twice a year. Anymore it would be you

(01:47:50):
go to eighteen, games you play the other teams of
your conference once each all fifteen of, them and then
you rotate playing THREE nfc teams every, year three opposite
conference teams every, year so you play the teams in
the opposite conference every five years instead of every four.
Years if, ANYTHING i, think AND i had added, THIS
i think they should up the stakes. Divisionally one of

(01:48:12):
the best formatting things THE nfl is done in a
long time is Making week eighteen games divisional. Games it
wasn't always like. That when The patriots first one The
Super bowl in two thousand and, one they clinched THEIR
i think it was a first round by. Right they
clinched their first round by In week seventeen by beating
The Carolina, Panthers yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
Right which is.

Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
Weird SO i love the idea that it's divisional games week.
EIGHTEEN i want to up the stakes in that you
play your first three divisional games Before halloween some Point September, october,
right and they're mixed in there. WHENEVER i wouldn't be
opposed to opening the season with divisional, games but they're
all in. There you play no divisional games until the

(01:48:52):
end of the, year and then the last three weeks
are all divisional. Games make it a sprint to the.
FINISH i would love to see them do, that just
to correct myself from.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
Earlier so they The lions were fifteen to two last
year won THE Nfc, north The vikings were fourteen and,
three and it came in. Second that last game decided
THE Nfc, north that last regular season game That detroit.
Won The vikings at fourteen and three as the five
seed then had to go on the road To Los
angeles to play The, rams who were ten and seven

(01:49:22):
as the four.

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
Seeds why did The lions propose this?

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
NOW i think that here was two years The Vikings
lions game or The Vikings rams GAME i think ended
up happening at a neutral site right because of the.
Fires BUT i think that's.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Besides the point was that the game that was An
arizona ip, Right, yeah but that's not Here north. There
the point being was that The vikings had a better
regular season record than The, rams and The rams got
the home. Game that was the, point, Right and so
this rule proposal would have made it basically just like
THE nba where they just seed you one through seven
based on. Record but the only difference would been you

(01:49:54):
know that you still would have made the playoffs if
you won the. Division So i'm okay with them keeping
it this. Way like the division, RIVALRIES i think it.
Matters like you, said it makes no. Sense the schedule
would make no sense, whatsoever and all of a sudden
they took the division out of, it it would make
no Sense, onceoever there's a there's a real case to
be made for. It now there's obviously it matters still

(01:50:16):
in baseball to a. Degree in hockey they have like
the the hockey playoffs is just the? Subconference is that?
Stink the whole thing just. Stinks THE nba does one through,
EIGHT i through ten.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
In The Celtics.

Speaker 4 (01:50:29):
Division if you asked, me it's in The Celtics. DIVISION
i don't know IF i get it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
Round, Yeah Knicks. Toronto there's one more? Team is it
four teams are? FIVE i think it's.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
Four so because you said Nixt, TORONTO i thought The
magic were about The magic sixers must Be.

Speaker 4 (01:50:43):
YEAH i, think, yeah here we are talking to selves.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
Again, no there's a QUEST nba doesn't need, divisions like
there's zero.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
PURPOSE i.

Speaker 1 (01:50:49):
THINK i think technically one team from each division has
to get in the, playoffs but it like never comes
up because only.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
Two but they used. To they used to matter in
THE nba like it does in THE, nfl where the
division winners and it made no. Sense it's like it
just these teams that were winning these divisions were like
ten wins worse than they teams below, them you, know
and it just didn't make any. Sense so they did
away with. IT i think in, football because you play
so few, games because the the rivalries have built up

(01:51:14):
in matter because it's also is like territorial to an,
extent like you have the border war between The patriots
and The, jets and like you still.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
Have also it's one, game it's not a series in the, playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
Right and then you also you, know maybe not so
much in THE Anfc east BECAUSE i don't think that
there is Quite maybe The patriots and The jets are
at that, level but it doesn't feel like there's quite
as much bad. Blood but in some other divisions there's
some real bad blood between these, Teams like what's IT
Thefc south is ridiculous they hate each. Other, YEAH i
was it The saints in the in the bucks of

(01:51:45):
The saints and The falcons because they.

Speaker 4 (01:51:48):
ALL afc AND Nfc.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
South those teams are in college football, world the college rivalry.
FIELD i mean they, moved But Niners, raiders there's a
lot of hatred. There, Yeah, Hawks niners has some, good
good bad blood.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
There so, yeah SO i think it's cool in. Football All,
right a couple of emails here and then we'll wrap it.
Up so this is an email From ford In, savannah
WHICH i think provos is an interesting, point ALTHOUGH i you,
know there's one THING i have to kind of correct.
Her so with the quarterbacks being played like they are,
today it seems like a quicker you pay a franchise,
quarterback the better the price ends up being in the long. Run,

(01:52:23):
Agree do you think If may proves this year that
there is any sense in giving him a long. Contract So,
drake they can't Extend Drake may until after his third
season in THE, Nfl so no matter, what they can't
extend him next. Offseason it's not until this offseason after
that he's eligible for a contract. Extension BUT i do
agree With ford's overall point that for the most, part

(01:52:44):
that earlier that you do, it the better the deal.

Speaker 4 (01:52:46):
Is called that The Dak prescott.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Theory so we only have a couple of, minutes and
this is probably a bigger topic for, Us but Brock
perty just signed a five, year two hundred and sixty
five million dollars deal with The San francisco forty nine
with one hundred and eighty one million dollars. Guaranteed you
know HOW i feel about Brock. Party and my feeling
on Brock party is that he's probably over that line

(01:53:11):
of demarcation of pay not, pay like you probably had
to pay. Him BUT i don't know If Kyle shanahan
and the forty nine ers are ever going to get
over the hump with Brock party being their. Quarterback that's
the place you don't want to be the place where
the quarterback is too good to let him walk and
you can't start over because you're not probably gonna find,
better but is not good enough to win you With Super.
Bowl that's, purgatory like that's the worst place you can

(01:53:33):
be with a. Quarterback but looking at Brock party's, deal
AND i just said earlier That Drake may is not here.
Yet he's not a franchise. Quarterback, Dad he's gonna go
another ten to fifteen we're looking so it's not the
twenty twenty. Six is the twenty twenty seven offseason That
Drake may is eligible for an. Extension If Drake may
has a great twenty five and twenty six and then
becomes contract eligible twenty, seven you are looking at Giving

(01:53:56):
Drake may fifty five to sixty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
Probably a year, well because who else is gonna sign
me in between now and Then.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Burrow already signed pretty signed.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
Side so that's the nineteen, draft that's the twenty, draft
the twenty one, Draft Trevor laurron's already, Sign Trevor.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
Lawrence already, signed twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
Draft C J, Stroud, yeah C J stroud will be
the one that that resets it. Again and then who
was last? Year why CAN i think of, well last
N's may And Williams. Daniels oh that was the year. After,
yeah you're, Right, no isn't that one you're in?

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Between?

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
Yah The Kenny. Pickett, oh, Yes Kenny. Pickett, okay that's
what we're. Missing Soh, yeah you're gonna look at WHAT. C.
J stroud gets and he's probably gonna use that as a.
Baseline but you, KNOW i go back to Dak prescott
was eligible for an extension and in the time The
cowboys waited and, Haggled Lamar jackson, Signed Josh allen, Signed

(01:54:50):
Patrick mahomes redid his, Deal burrow, signed and there's a
few more in.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
There they probably the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:56):
Expectation was initially when When prescott was first, eligible that
he was is probably gonna be somewhere in forty million
dollars a year about, that which is a, lot and
at the TIME i think would have made him like
a top five highest paid.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
Quarterback by, waiting the cow was he is a sixty
million dollar.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
Aav, yeah because they waited and let all those other guys,
sign because nobody wants to take less money than the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Before and usually those, contracts you, know the guaranteed money
with these quarterback contracts is.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
Everything, yeah usually those. Are they're like almost three or
four year. Deal he's second and guaranteed Behind Josh. Allen
so you're looking at get signed after you're looking at The,
niners for, example once had extension kicks and like perty
is A niner for the next like four years and
there's really nothing they can do about.

Speaker 4 (01:55:37):
It so but the point, being like you're good at these.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
Contracts if the player is, good the contract's not bad
because the cap explodes so. Much Right Patrick mahomes when
he first signed that, deal we, were oh my, god,
Wow Patrick, mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
He is the. Cheese i'm still scrolling his deals is
an Extremely his deal is like A brady esque, bargain
like he he he knew it at the time too
when he signed, it like he's signed a team friendly,
contract all Out brady.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
Like even like some of these other guys that we
thought signed massive deals at the time did not rank that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
High because Even Josh allen's not that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
Bad Josh Josh allen six right now in terms of
Aav so like just sign the, guy get it over.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
With the cap will go. Up you'll be able to swallow.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
It unless you're unsure if he's worth sticking to long
term and you want to let it play. Out but
if you're convinced he's our franchise, quarterback haggling does you.
Nothing haggling hurts the, team it helps the. Player it's
in the player's best interest to drag that thing out
as long as. Possible the CAP's gonna go, up you'll be.
Fine other players are gonna be paid more than. Um

(01:56:46):
get the deal done as soon as possible if you
believe in The the tough part about it, is and
then we'll wrap it. Up the tough part about it
is is if it's, again if it's, pretty if it's,
even if It's Trevor, lawrence SO i think is, good
but it hasn't really and that hasn't yielded wins all
the time In. Jacksonville like those are the tough ones
because like you have to pay that guy because he's so.
Talented you can see the talent With Trevor lawrence is

(01:57:08):
clearly worth.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
Paying BUT i worry tiny teeny bit that that ends
up Being Drake may's, fate where like it just doesn't
ever really manifest. Itself but it's so obvious that he's
not the problem and he's really good and like you
have to pay, him you. Know and that's when we
start talking about. Windows And i'll wrap this up With

(01:57:29):
floyd And Redford michigan's, email because you, KNOW i SAID
i wasn't gonna Talk, celtics but we're an hour and
fifty seven minutes in And floyd is making us Talk.
Celtics he emailed in about. This this is the big
thing with The celtics to me too as it relates
to The, Patriots, like there's, windows, right there's contending. Windows
and a big reason why contending windows exist is because

(01:57:50):
eventually two things. Happen your roster gets expensive and your
roster ages. Out like those are the two big. Things
and if you're The, patriots you know you right now
are at the very very. Beginning maybe even you're not
maybe even in the. Window yet you're probably like looking
her on the. Doorstep, yeah you're probably like looking at the.
Window but if you go into the window and you

(01:58:12):
don't maximize that. Window, now in twenty twenty, seven when
you have to Extend Drake, may he becomes a sixty
million dollars, quarterback and now it becomes a lot harder
to fill out the roster around. Him The celtics are
in a similar position now where they're in the middle
of the.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
Window they put their chips all in the middle towards
the end of the window and then they didn't. Win,
Right so now that's the tough spot that you're. In,
well they won't WANT i, mean, Yeah i'm mean talking
about SO i remember somebody telling me, this And i've
said this, before but like the ideal path when you
draft a, quarterback when you, rebuild year zero is the
ear you.

Speaker 4 (01:58:47):
Suck, yeah so year zero's the ear you get.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
The picture tattoo.

Speaker 1 (01:58:50):
Back, well so essentially in this, scenario year zero is
twenty twenty, three right, right year, one there's one. Goal
there is one, goal and it is the quarterback you
drafted AN Nfl, like is he a? Guy is he
a guy you're going to invest in build? Around if,
not you go back to your. Zero The patriots check that.
Box they had to make a coaching, change which usually
doesn't come with. That but, yeah that's year. One year,

(01:59:12):
two you feel good about the. Quarterback now you start
investing around. Them the goal for year two you should
be in the mix for playoff. Spot maybe you just get,
in maybe you get eliminated the last.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
Week you should be.

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
Competitive you should be beating some playoff. Teams you should
be in the. Mix year, three you should be in the.
Playoffs the expectation should be to be in the, playoffs
and you should be contending for your. Division maybe you
just miss. It you should be contending for your division
yours four and. Five because this goes along that rookie
contract for the quarterback yours four and. Five that's your
real true Super bowl. Window now obviously doesn't go that

(01:59:45):
way for every team that drafts a. Quarterback doesn't have
to be that linear the best laid, plans, right but
that's kind of the blueprint that you're looking at when
you draft a quarterback and you start to. Rebuild so
because when you get to your five or when you
get to your, six now that new contract kicks in
and it completely changes the way you build.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
It right, now you're expensive, now guys you know that
you sign in free agency or older moving on or,
now it just it resets the whole. Thing you get
to year. Six The bills just ran into.

Speaker 1 (02:00:13):
This this was The bills, list and people may hear
that and, say, well The patriots did it for twenty,
years which is. Rare but part of the reason they
did that is going to sound weird to some. People
they drafted really well for a long. Time, yeah and
so once you get to year six and, beyond now
it's about you have to really start hitting on draft,
picks and not just first round picks but throughout the
draft to beef up your roster around some of your
higher paid.

Speaker 2 (02:00:33):
Players all, Right so that does it for today's. Show next,
week the plan is that we're going to be out
AT OTAs On, Wednesday so if it's the same schedule
as it was last, week and it will be during
the show THAT OTAs will be going, On So producer,
albs maybe we'll do two to four next week like
we did WITH pu. Yesterday, well we'll figure that, out

(02:00:55):
BUT i think that's what we're we're gonna hope to
do is in the afternoon after the we're out AT,
OTAs we'll do a recap, show just like we did
With Patriots unfiltered. Yesterday so it might change the. Time
we'll keep you guys updated on, that but until, then
signing off For Alex, Barth I'm Evan. Lazar we'll see
you guys next week another. Ota it should be. Fun

(02:01:17):
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