Patriots Catch-22 5/7: Resetting the Offense, Rookie Minicamp Preview, Edelman to Pats HOF

Tune-in as Evan Lazar and Alex Barth talk all things Patriots offseason. They start by discussing Julian Edelman's nomination into the Patriots HOF, and give their takes on the Boston sports world's debate on who should have gotten in this year. They go down the full list of offensive players on the Patriots roster, and give their position-by-position opinions on who could make the 53-man. Plus, they preview this week's upcoming rookie minicamp.

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Lazar and Alex Bars.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Bazar from Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always
buy ours bar cap. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex
bars I posted this on Twitter, like red on red
red jerseys on a red field, Like come on Eastern Washington, Like,
oh I love the red No, no, that's not love

(00:40):
the red field. Okay, but you can't wear red jerseys
on a red can Have you ever seen the thing
with Boise State where the guy lies down on the field.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
On the kicker that should be It's a whole field
of nag back and I don't want to see colored
fields in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
This organization did that back in the day, there would
be a Supreme Court hearing of the pack. The Jets
can do it. There's not smart enough to hello. Everybody.
Welcome in Patriots Catch twenty two. Evan Lazar, Alex Bart
Bart The tent pole events of the offseason are over.
The free agency, the draft, all in the rearview mirror.

(01:18):
So it's a good time to take a step back,
go little bird's eye view roster reset style. So we'll
do that today resetting the offense, and then next week
we'll do the defense. Do you have rookie Mini caamp
coming up this weekend? Hopefully we'll get out there and
be able to see some of those practices as well,
maybe one of those practices at least, so we'll have

(01:39):
that for you to a little preview for you as well.
And I want to open the show with some news
about Julie Edelman going into the Patriots Hall of Fame
and George Pickens got traded, which I'm sure people are
gonna want to talk about. Don't forget we have rookie
numbers too. We have rookie numbers. And today we'll definitely
open up the phone lines and the emails to you guys.

(02:00):
I know we didn't do that last week because there
was a lot to get to, but this week we'll
definitely have you guys on the phones and everything as well.
So that's the agenda for today's show. The Fred Paul
and Matt Smith got me all fired up before the
show today, Alex, just for you about the Celtics of course,
what else, you know, nothing really gets me fired up

(02:22):
these days besides defending defending the.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
You can't have a logical conversation about that game. You
really can't.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
It wasn't even just about that game. This is not
a Celtics show, and I know some people get mad
when we talk about other sports, but I'm trying not
to let that spill over into this show too much.
Because they were they were too riled up.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
You know that that you can get riled up talking
to me, So careful nice.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Uh, they are coming at my boy Jason Tatum. You
know I will. We'll go go to the grave defending
Jason Tatum if I have to. So, you know, we
we we were getting into it a little bit. But
there might be a football adjacent converse station. That's uh
that that you know, a philosophical conversation there is between
you and I with with the Celtics. So maybe we'll

(03:07):
get into that in the second hour and make it
football related. We're not you know, we won't get too
much into the Celtics, but uh, support the home team.
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All right, we're off and running. Uh. Do you want

(03:27):
to start with news, And obviously the biggest news of
the week. It's is a slower week in terms of
personnel moves and all that kind of stuff. Like I mentioned,
it's called kind of in the rearview. But the big
news this week Julian Edelman going into the Patriots Hall
of Fame UH officially announced on Monday, UH edging out
Adam Vinteri and Logan Mankins as the finalists. So there's

(03:51):
a couple of points, you know, to talk about with this. Obviously,
there's giving Edelman his flowers. And I want to say,
you know, I said when the finalists came out that
I would vouch for Vinitary. I did vouch for Vinitary. Yeah.
But what that being said, there's no arguments about Edelman

(04:11):
going in either, Like it's not like it's like we're
saying that Edelman shouldn't be. It's tough.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
They both deserve to be first ballot and only one
could get in at once.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Right exactly, And so no one is arguing whatsoever that
Edelman should not be in Patriots Hall of Fame. He
is a slam dunk hundred percent Patriots Hall of Famer.
But I think what complicated things, Just to kind of
peel back the curtain a little bit, was last year
was technically Adam Vinitari's first year of eligibility. Excuse me,

(04:42):
but they put Tom Brady in and bypass the voting process,
which is totally understandable. But last year would have been
Vinitari's first year, then this year would have been Edelman's
first year, and the next year would be gronk'x first year,
and they all probably would have gone in first ballot Edelman,
Gronk Brady pushed Vinitarian Edelman into the same class, so

(05:05):
to speak. And so now you have you created a
little bit of a log jam here. So it's disappointing
that it's gonna take Vinitaria some time, because I don't
think he's gonna get it next year either, because I
think Gronk will will be first ballot just like Edelman.
So you might take Vinitaria sometime. But other than that,
you know, just what were your thoughts on Edelman getting

(05:25):
named first ballot, and you know we can reminisce a
little bit about his career. Yeah, I mean, absolutely deserves it.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Again, some of these fans might be younger, you know,
they know the stories, they've seen the highlights, but they
don't have that that connection connection with Vinetaria. They certainly
do with Edelman because he's not just a player that
was a good player, and I mean he obviously was.
He's top three, top five, and just about every major
receiving category for the Patriots for in terms of franchise records.

(05:55):
You talk about a big game player, you talk about
a guy that's stepped up in big games in big
moments time and time again. If we're gonna reminisce Evan,
we're gonna talk about Edelman's biggest moments. We're gonna talk
about the hit he took from Cam Chancellor in Super
Bowl forty nine in the yards after the catch there
him catching the big touchdown. I think it was later
on that drive, right or the next drive, whatever it was.
Definitely again, we're gonna right, We're gonna talk about the

(06:18):
fingertip catch in Super Bowl fifty one. We're gonna talk
about the double pass against the Ravens. I've been talking
about this now for thirty forty five seconds. I just
listed four or five things and I didn't even get
to his Super Bowl MVP. That's how unbelievable. This guy
was in the big moments. So that is to me
what puts him over the top, not just the production.

(06:40):
The production is obviously unbelievable, and the production the dependability,
the reliability, the consistency. But there have been a lot
of reliable, consistent receivers that have come through here. What
makes Julian Edelman different is his ability to come up
in the big moment. And some people will look at
this and say, well, should Wes Welker get in? He
had better numbers across the board than Edelman did. But

(07:03):
if you start talking about putting Wes Welker in the
Patriots Hall of Fame or the NFL Hall of Fame
for that matter, what's the first thing A lot of
people are going to bring up the drop right Edelman
time and time again in the big moment, and you
just don't. I feel like it was underrated throughout his career.
Wasn't talked about enough throughout his career, not just that
he was a good player, but his ability to constantly

(07:24):
show up when Brady needed him and when the team
needed him. You know, the regular season, even the twenty
four point comeback against Denver, that was like one of
his first big breakout games. Just a guy that had
a knack for the moment and that that should be
to me, the defining element of Julian Edelden.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Edelman's grid. Look, some of that's Brady too.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Obviously Brady was the one throwing him the ball, but
it is like that that level of clutchness, like he
belonged to that conversation, the most clutch athletes we've seen
in this city.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, I think that, you know the time that we
got to overlap with Brady and Edelman eighteen in twenty nineteen,
I remember when Edelman was coming back from the suspension
and Tom Brady talking about getting Edelman back And I
don't know if it's a suspension or I think the
suspension the injury happened at the same time, right the

(08:15):
ACL injury.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
He tours ACL and then he missed that year and
then he got suspended coming back, right, so it must
have missed the beginning of eighteen, So it.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Must have been twenty eighteen then, yeah, Yeah, And Brady
just talked a lot about being able to read his
body language, read his movements off the line of scrimmage,
and just this comfort level that he had with how
early in the route Edelman was able to get open,
Like not just the fact that he always, you know,

(08:43):
was in the right places, but just how for a
quarterback when you drop back to pass, to have that
comfort or that feeling knowing that this receiver can separate
quickly is just such a a feeling of just like
calmness for a QB that you have a guy like that. Obviously,

(09:04):
Edelman was not a down the field, you know, vertical
explosive type of guy. It was the quickness and the
play strength and the toughness and the reliability that made
him stand out. But I remember Brady talking about just
having this feel and this inate ability with Edelman to understand, Okay,
if he puts his weight on his foot like this,

(09:26):
he's probably gonna break this way, or if his hips
are moving that way, he's probably setting this up to
go in the other direction. And so many of the
routes that he ran had options on them, and you know,
had multiple branches of him breaking and whatever way he
wanted to break and all that kind of stuff. So
that from a football standpoint, But you mentioned it a

(09:47):
second ago about the connection with the fan base, and
I think above all else. That is probably why Julian
Edelman is a first ballot Patriots Hall of Famer and
why he got in before Vin Terry is that he
has really ingrained himself in Foxborough. You know, the Foxborough
for everything is maybe a little corny, but it is

(10:09):
what he really exemplified that played for one team, the
Pats for Tampa, didn't go to Tampa when he had
the opportunity to. Was a seventh round pick who converted quarterback.
We all know the story underdog story. I didn't really
flash right away, like wasn't like an instant contributor, had
to kind of earn his role and play his way

(10:32):
onto the offense.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
I remember he almost left because it took him like
four or five years to really get involved. And he
was the Giants, right and he thought he was going
to leave.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, and you look at also the they signed Amadola
when Welker leaves, and a lot of people thought Amandola
was going to be the next guy, and Edelman really
was the one that was the one a to that
you know with a Mondola as well. So all those
types of things are the competitiveness and and just the

(11:05):
the underdog story. We love that around here, Oh we
just do right, And and Brady's in his own category,
but he's similarly as an underdog story as a sixth
round pick, and Edelman is seventh round pick. Like these
guys were not. This was not Calvin Johnson and Peyton
Manning coming out of out of college right where their
top five picks in the draft and everybody thought they

(11:27):
were going to be stars. So Edelman earned this like
through and through, like he worked his butt off to
get this, to get to the red jacket status. So
you have to tip your cap to that. And obviously,
you know, post career, he's been very committed to the
Patriots and you know, very much a defender of the

(11:48):
Wall now on his seventeen different podcasts and everything like that.
So he's ingrained himself in Patriot culture. And one of
the things we talked a little bit about yesterday Unfiltered
and I feel like we're we're almost a little bit
uniquely in a spot for this because both you and

(12:08):
I were old enough for the first part of the
dynasty to remember it and to have lived it, but
we weren't. I was eight when they won in two
thousand and one, so we weren't old enough to really
understand the game of football like we do now, or
like we did you know, as we got older, but
we still witnessed it. And I think for a lot

(12:29):
of people that were born a little bit later than us,
there really isn't a connection to Adam Vinitari. And I
can understand that like the kicker with the white beard
on the Colts, he most likely spent there as some
people that probably only knew Adam Vinitari as truly as
a cult right, that are rooting for the team today.
And when you put him up against a guy like

(12:50):
Edelman and you put him in a fan vote on
social media, this is going to happen because I know
there are people that are unhappy that it didn't go
in ch chronological order and Vinitaria didn't get in before.
And like I said at the top, I would have
voted in Vinitary first and done it in chronological order.
But the reality is is that it's gonna be Edelman

(13:11):
this year, as we know, it's most likely going to
be Gronck next year in twenty six, and then maybe
Vinitary gets over the hump in twenty seven when the
decks clear a little bit for him in twenty seven.
But there's a lot of Patriots fans that are younger.
There's a lot of Patriots fans that became Patriots fans
during the dynasty and not necessarily at the beginning of

(13:33):
the dynasty in two thousand and one when we remember
all the kicks. But you know, not everybody remembers, you know,
the Snow Bowl and or you know, Super Bowl thirty
six or whatever the case may be. But I think
with Edelman, it's the two things you mentioned. You talked
about the clutchnists. That's obviously there. Maybe it's three things.

(13:54):
The clutchness, his connection to Brady I think matters, their friendship,
their relationship on and off the field, I think matters,
And obviously you know, his the fact that he's really
embraced and ingrained himself in Boston sports culture is a
big part of it as well. So props to him,

(14:15):
kudos to him. We still don't know when that ceremony
is going to be. Him and Bill Parcells will we'll
go in on the same day, so we'll have those announcements,
I'm sure here shortly or at some point on the horizon,
but we don't know exactly when that's going to be,
but it will be the two of them, and it
will be a cool day. It always is a fun day.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well, and it's really two days because you get the
one over the summery he gets inducted and then usually
like they'll do, to use the home opener right the
long room at halftime.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
So that's a fun one too.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
With Mike Vrabel that ended up being like a franchise
changing moment, that speech he gave at halftime of that game.
I don't think the Titans loved it, no, but it
worked out. So yeah, no, it'll be it'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, absolutely, All right, let's get into the roster reset
and then well we'll join do the new stuff or
did join do that later? Well, well, I'm sure the
people will ask us about those things. But if you
want to quickly, you know, we can go quickly on
George Pickens. George Pickens is one of those guys that
kind of irritates me. I'm not gonna lie, not him personally,

(15:18):
but like the George Pickens thing, because this goes back
to the draft, right, this goes back to twenty twenty two,
and maybe in twenty twenty two you could make the
case that they could have taken on a little bit
more risk with the character with the player back then
when it was still Bill Belichick and you're coming off
Mac Jones's rookie season, you went to the playoffs, you
had some promising things going in your direction. But the

(15:41):
context of George Pickens, when we compare him, you know,
to Taekwon Thorton especially, always gets thrown out the door
that there were some major character red flags about George
Pickens coming out of the draft, and also a major
injury red flags too. He really only had one season
at Georgia where he was productive, and he blew his

(16:01):
knee out in the second year that he was supposed
to be a full time player at Georgia. So he
had injuries, he had character concerns, and this time around
he's been a very productive player in the NFL. He's
a good football player. But now it's similarly to the
conversation that we have with Luther Burden, where the Patriots

(16:24):
just don't feel like they're in a position but based
off their actions, I think they agree with us that
they are not in a position to take on these
types of character risks. Yet, like is George Pickens really
the guy that you want to take on, and you're
one of this thing with Mike Rabel. The answer seems

(16:44):
to be no across the board, including in the draft. Yeah,
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
My other thing on Pickens, I actually will kind of
nitpick as a player a little bit, Like a big
part of the Josh McDaniels offense is consistency. He's not
a consistent player. He disappears. So he had nine hundred
yards last year, exactly fifty five percent of his production
came in just five games. If you go back the

(17:09):
year before, he had five one hundred yard games. He
also had nine games where he had less than fifty yards.
So he's all over the map in terms of production.
And that's just not what this offense is. This offense
is about consistency. The highs are there, but I don't
think the consistency's there for him to be a true

(17:29):
number one. He's best next to a guy like a
DK Metcalf, where he was in Pittsburgh, next to Seedee Lamb,
which he will be in.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Dallas.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
The other thing, Yeah, to the character point, you're exactly right,
especially when he's a talented guy. Let's not mince worries
about that he's a talented guy. Yeah, what's the track
record of Mike Tomlin moving on from talented wide receivers?
Did they usually work out when they leave Pittsburgh? No, Yeah,

(18:01):
that's a good So, like the there's the character thing
and then there's what this is. Because the Steelers have
a history of this. They will bring in guys that
have character issues and make them work up until a point.
Once it doesn't work anymore, they move on, and generally
they move on at the right time. Antonio Brown's obviously
like the poster child for this, but we've seen it

(18:21):
with other players as well, Johnson, Deontay Johnson, sort of
Chase Claypool that was building anything else.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
But like, yeah, if Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
And the Steelers are moving on from a receiver, that's
usually a red flag because they know wide receiver talent,
I would argue better than maybe any team in the league. Yeah,
so I have no problem with them passing on George I.
I honestly didn't have a ton of problem in the
draft at the time because of his industry injuries. Now,
it doesn't mean I would have taken Taekwon Thornton. There

(18:52):
but you know, there were other picks to be made,
but I don't have a problem on them passing on
George Pickens.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
I really don't. Yeah, And I guess that maybe some
of the calculations that go on with player evaluation is
knowing when a guy is truly there's a difference between
a guy being a diva and a guy being a cancer, right,
and knowing the difference between those, I think is part
of vetting players in the personnel process. But there's always

(19:21):
a give and take of is this guy really worked
the risk in terms of the talent? And I think
the world of Luther Burden, Like he probably is one
of my favorite receivers, if not my favorite out of
this past draft, Travis Hunter notwithstanding. But was Luther Burden

(19:43):
so good that you just had to do it? Like
I'll give you an example, you know, with a guy
like more that was in the league, kind of like
George Pickens, like at the time when they made the
move for Randy Moss, Like that's Randy Moss, right, Like
we're talking about one of the greatest wide receivers of
all time, if not the greatest wide receiver of all time.
That that one is. Yeah, at year, what six or

(20:06):
seven of this thing with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Uh,
and the culture is completely established and the foundation of
the of the program is completely established. Like that's when
you go ahead and you take those swings, and and
Bill took a million of them, Like Randy Moss is
the most probably the most successful. You know, Corey Dillon
is up there. Rodney Harrison had his own you know issues,
uh for some people coming to New England. But for

(20:29):
all of those, there's also you know, Albert Haynesworth and
and uh, you know Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown, right exactly.
So there's good and bad there, but that at that
point of your your build is when you start to
take on those guys. And George Pickens is not Randy Moss. No,
So I just I understand that if George Pickens goes
on to have a really good year in Dallas, or

(20:51):
if Luther Burden has a really good year with Caleb
Williams in Chicago, we're going to get a lot of
calls and emails and people upset that the Patriots didn't
take on these players. But the process to me is
it makes sense, Like I am on board with what
they're trying to establish here. In two years, if this
is still running like a well oiled machine and they

(21:13):
want to take on some character risk and the drafter
and free agency or a trade, go for it. But
right now I understand why they want to get the
good guys in the building first, and the leaders and
the captain material type players will see what happens.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
I will say, if we're gonna look ahead to revisionist history,
I would much rather take the risk with Luther Burden
than with George Pickens.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Agreed like that that was the one.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
If you want to talk about where they missed, right,
and we'll see how it plays al Kawams and all that.
But I'm saying it now so that if we end
up talking about it in three months, people can't say
that it's revisionist history. I don't mind him passing on Pickens.
I'm saying that now, and he could put up a
thousand yards this year. So with Dak Prescott Ceedee Lamb
on the other side, it's a different situation.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Than this here.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, the Burden one is, but if something's going to
burn them, it's passing on Luther Burton. To me, it's
not because I don't think Trayvon Henderson's a really good player,
I do, but positional value wide receiver, running back all.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
That, it'd be interesting to see if Travon Henderson has
a really productive year and Luther Burden has a really
productive year. Are we just saying, oh, well, all's well,
that ends well? Are we saying that we still you know.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
They tie break will be Kyle Williams because people will say, well,
they could have gotten a running back later, and right right.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Fair enough? All right? So I think you know, really
that that's There's not much else going on other than
that breaking this morning in terms of news around the NFL.
So let's get into roster re said on the offense,
and you know, I have some facilitation style questions for
us here, okay, And you know, I'll just go through

(22:48):
every position on offense and I'll read out the names
of the players that are currently on the ninety man
roster for the Patriots. So we'll start with quarterback. Not
a ton to unpack here, obviously, with Drake May and
Joshua Dobbs holding down one two on the depth chart.
And I don't think there's any chance then Ben Woolridge,
the reported undrafted free agent signing, and I should mention

(23:08):
that all the undrafted rookies we talk about it's reportedly
right now. We still haven't officially announced. Those should be shortly,
maybe the next couple of days.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
But I would think it's weird we have practice, Yeah,
on Friday, rookie practice.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah. I think by Friday, Yeah, it should. They should
be out soon.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
And that's also why the ud face didn't get numbers.
If anybody's wondering.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, so Drake made Joshua Dobbs, Ben Woolridge. Right now
is the quarterback depth chart? There's really two quick questions
to me here, or one question and then one just
sort of theory of mine that I've been kicking around.
I have thought of mine. The need to carry three quarterbacks.
I don't think when I talk about carry three, I
mean on the fifty three man roster at the end
of camp. Really, I don't see any need to carry three.

(23:53):
Last year they carried three because Joe Milton had developmental upside,
so they held onto him. But when it comes to
Ben Woolridge, I don't think we're going to get into
that territory. Plus, nowadays, with the extra emergency quarterback, you
can call up the emergencies quarterback from the practice squad.
So if you want to do that, I think you
can only do it three times. Yeah, well that's true

(24:15):
for any player. But yeah, you could do it three times, right,
So you're not, in my opinion, you're not carrying Ben
Woolridge on the fifty three just to make him the
emergency quarterback seventeen straight times. I just I don't think
that he's going to be good enough to warrant that.
Like if he comes out in camp and as a
great camp, then sure, I guess, But I don't think
he's good enough to warrant that. I think they're keeping

(24:36):
two quarterbacks, and that seems to be like the plan
all along, hence the Joe Milton trade, you know, all
these different things that they've done. So my guess is
that we'll get to the end of August early September
whenever roster cut down days, and it will be May
and Dobbs and then maybe a guy like wool Ridge
stress stashed excuse me, on the practice squad. But I

(24:56):
just I don't see any I.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Don't think the emergency third quarterback can come in practice squad.
When did they change that?

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Like last year? Or the year before.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
So it was voted and approved last year, and I'm
reading it in the NFLPA vetoed the change.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I'm pretty sure that's a change. Maybe I'm wrong. At
the same time, you're gonna carry You're gonna carry a
third quarterback just to make them the emergency qu I
think so.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
I think a lot of teams are doing that. It
might not be Ben Woldridge, they might find somebody else.
I think they're gonna a third quarterback. He might not
be one right now, but I think they're not a
third quarterback.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I just don't see the point of that. Like you're
racing a roster spot on a on a on a
quarterback that's never gonna play like the I think team's
value that security mine. The dominoes that you have to
get to to get the quarterback on the field is crazy,
Like both guys have to be like hurt and rolled
out of the game for it even to happen. And like,
so you're just gonna take up a roster spot all

(25:46):
year long, Like it made sense when Milton was taking
up a roster spot because, like I just said, he
had developmental upside. I don't see what the upside is
from carrying like another journeyman no offense to Joshua Dobbs
or you know a guy that like wool reach like
an undred rookie. I mean, maybe you end up being right.
I just I don't really see that. Along with the
roster crunch, the other thing that I wanted to talk

(26:08):
about with quarterbacks is just what's going on right now
in the building with Drake May learning josh mcdaniels's offense.
And there's been a lot of talk about the verbiage
and the verbiage change that you know, he's speaking a
different language than he did his rookie year talking about Drake.
But yeah, I'm not as worried about the verbiage thing.
It's May like. It's good. This is the time of

(26:30):
year to ask questions and to learn language and do
all that kind of stuff. So he's asked about at
the podium some people what's the word? Some people interpreted
his answers as he was kind of going through it
a little bit with the verbiage change, or is kind
of going through the process. I don't necessarily worry too
much about that. The one thing that I do have,

(26:52):
like a small sea concern worry about is they're going
back to putting everything on the quarterback pre snap Solas year,
the center took responsibility, the center made on the line
calls all those types of things of the line of scrimmage,
taking that out of the quarterback's hands. So you know
really quickly, like what that means is, you know, the
MIC is what sets the protection or sets the run

(27:13):
blocking scheme. That's what's pointing everybody in the direction that
the offense wants it to go in. The MIC can
change a lot of people think the MIC is just
the middle linebacker on every single play. It's not like
if you're sliding or if you're you know, running off
tackle or whatever the case may be. Like your MIC
point might be different from play to play. It will
be different from play to play. So Drake may said

(27:35):
that it's like like he has he's holding the pin
last right before they right before they snap the ball.
He's gonna hold it last. They like it this way,
it sounds like based off of his answers, they like
it this way because they feel like the quarterback has
the best view rack there. Right. He can see in
the shotgun and he can see blitzes. He can see
things coming off the edge that maybe the center can't

(27:57):
necessarily see. So I get the the advantages in that respect,
I do worry about putting that on a second year
quarterback and expecting Drake May to get to the line
of scrimmage and be Tom Brady or Peyton manning and
calling out blitzes and sniffing out pressure schemes and moving
mike points and you know, Rita Linda like all his

(28:18):
different types of stuff that they do to slide protections
and like all that minutia. I hope that it's not
too much, you know, they don't put too much on
his plate early. I know Josh McDaniels has talked about
in the past, you know, easing young quarterbacks into that,
easing Mac Jones into it his rookie year, even communicating
in the headset. You know, you have until I think

(28:39):
it's fifteen seconds right to talk to the quarterback through
the headset so that they have that ability. It's may.
I'm not like ready to freak out about it or
anything like that. Like I said, small sea concern, but
just hearing him talk about all the different things. And
we had Josh Dobbs in here yesterday and he was
talking about it. There's a lot on the quarterback. We've

(29:00):
heard that in the past. I mean, what are your
thoughts on them going back to putting everything on the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
I don't have a problem with it because I think
Drake's up for it. And I think and this is
something people were worried about at the time. Oh well,
you look at all Brady had to do and how
is May going to do that? Do you really think
they're going to, at least to start give him the
same volume that they gave Brady, Like it's going to
be a modified version, right, So I don't think he's
going to have it. Ideally you build it up to
that in time. But I'm not super worried about it. Yeah,

(29:30):
it's different. It's a change. Anytime there's a change, it's
something that you have to note and.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Pay attention to. But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
He's got a good like football IQ, he's got a
good understanding. He doesn't have to learn it as he's
coming into the league. He has that base under him
of what he learned last year. So yeah, I'm not,
like you said, lower casey concerned.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, I tied to his coaches when you last year
when they drafted U May at North Carolina, and one
of the things that they said was about how he
underwent a coordinator change from his sophomore year to his
junior year. Phil Loongo was his offensive coordinator his sophomore year.
He's now at Wisconsin. Longo had that was his best

(30:14):
year with me, phil Loongo. Now it's worth mentioning. He
also had Josh Downs on that UNC offense and he
had a little bit more NFL talent around him at
North Carolina in twenty two versus in twenty three, so
that might have contributed as well. Downs was his go
to receiver obviously gets drafted by the Colts. Yeah, I
mean they just had a better team. They had a

(30:35):
better team, So there's that element of it. But there
was a scheme change. There was a philosophical change in
terms of a lot of the different things they had
him doing, and you know, running the line of scrimmage, footwork,
you know, all that kind of stuff. A lot of
people felt like that contributed to his footwork regression was
going from one style of footwork to another. So it's

(30:57):
something to monitor. I think even concern is even too strong.
It's just something to monitor. With all of this going
on with Drake Macas. Everybody just wants Drake May to
make the year two leap and take that next step,
and we're all hoping for that. But there's a lot
going on at the same time. You know, there's a
lot of new coaching, new verbiage, new style of play,

(31:19):
new personnel around him. So it's gonna be interesting to
see how all of this kind of transpires. So those
are the two things I have with quarterbacks. Be interested
to see which one of us is right about the
third quarterback. I just don't see the point of it.
But maybe maybe they end up carrying three. Maybe it's
like you said, it's somebody gets cut and it's like
a veteran and yeah, it doesn't have to be somebody

(31:40):
on the ross right now, yeah'll be clear. All right,
let's go to running backs. So running backs is interesting.
Ramandra Stevenson, Antonio Gibson obviously the rookie, Traveon Henderson, Terrell
Jennings still kicking around, and Lan Laris and everybody's favorite
UDFA running back who's suddenly you know, superstar. I mean, scrimmage,

(32:02):
that's nothing. I'm just teasing. Uh, here's the deal. To me,
there's a couple of different ways to look at running
back right now. Do they keep four? I think that's
a fair question. Teams are go back and forth with
three or four. Obviously, if you have four good running backs,
then you probably keep all four. But uh, normally I

(32:25):
would say three is probably standard across the league.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think Vrabel generally in Tennessee kept three.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, and it also you know, you still have the
practice squad to stash you know, Terrell Jennings or even
Larison if he doesn't get out of control, you know,
in the preseason and have a huge preseason. So do
they keep all four, you know, including probably Larison with Stevenson,
Gibson and Henderson or I think the other question is
is does Larison play well enough where maybe, like a

(32:54):
guy like Antonio Gibson becomes expendable. I don't think Grimandro
Stevenson is in that converse of being quote unquote expendable
at any point. I think the plan is to have
Rmandra Stevenson here with Traveon Henderson as sort of a
thunder and lightning kind of duo. But maybe Larison Scott
also has some pass catching ability, has some of that

(33:17):
subpackage run ability receiver out of the backfield, Like could
he have a great camp and maybe Gibson becomes like
a trade piece or something like that at the end
of training camp. That would be the only way that
I could see Gibson and Stevenson both not being here
is if somebody like Larison makes a really strong push
and they end up flipping Gibson for something, you know,

(33:41):
on roster cutdown day.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
I wouldn't roll it out because Larison has a coverage
background in special teams, which I don't believe Gibson does.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can actually pull
that out.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
He might have played a little bit lare last year,
but I wouldn't say that he's like a core special
teams guy, Like that's not so.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
I think Larison's done both. He's returned and covered kicks.
Uh oh No, Gibson's only plays kick return. He hasn't
played in coverage, so I think Laris and somebody can
send down the field to like make play. I compared
him last week to Brandon bolden Right, who is a
coverage player on special teams as well as a returner.
If he's gonna give you special teams value and they

(34:20):
only want to keep three running backs, and he can
be a early down and passing down guy and can
fit into either of those roles. I think he absolutely
could make a push. And if he does, yeah, it's
Gibson's the guy who's expendable more so than Stevenson. So
I could see it now. I think there's a possibility
they keep four as well. This is where you get
into the at large roster spots, which you know, I
love to talk about positional minimums, So that fourth running

(34:42):
back is probably competing with We'll get to tight ends, right, ye.
Are they going to keep three tight ends? Are they
going to keep three tight ends and a fallback? Is
the full back going to be the third tight end?
Like that might be a competition with the fourth running
back or are they going to keep five or six receivers?
That's what that fourth running back spot's.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Gonna come down to in my mind. Yeah, I'm interested
to see Larrison because the one concern that I had
about him just watching his UC Davis tape, especially against
teams like Cal. When he did play teams that were
FBS level and maybe a level up, the production was
good against Cal like It's not like he had a
bad game, but his play speed and just like his

(35:19):
ability to separate from packs. You know, like when running
backs they get into crowds, and does that running back
have the bursts or the energy to get out of
that crowd and really hit into the big open field
like a Trevon Henderson camp, right, And I just didn't
necessarily see that gear from him.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Well, but he's not your starting running back, right.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
But my question is in terms of him making the
roster and him truly making this interesting, is he going
to have the dynamic play speed to be able to
make yards the same way did in college? Because I
think the difference between what I expected and what I
ended up seeing with Larison is I Larison to me

(35:57):
was actually a better tackle breaker, and he was like
a space player like he was. He's got pretty good
contact balance and ability to avoid tackles. And you know,
he broke one runoff against Calgary. He like shrugs off
like three or four guys right like that. He ran
with a lot of really good power and balance to
his game, whereas I was expecting like a scat back, right,

(36:18):
And that's not what he is to me, at least fifteen. Yeah,
he's definitely more of a of a not a power back,
but like somewhere in between those two things. He's got quickness.
He just doesn't have great burst or straight line speed
or top end speed. So when you get to this level,
you know, is that is he going to be running
in a lot of packs, a lot of crowds. Is

(36:39):
he going to be bottled up a lot? You know,
that's going to be the questions for him. Is is
he going to be able to really get out into
space and make you know, bigger plays and extend plays
with his you know, as a ball carrier, I think
there was something there with the quickness. You know, he
tested really well in the agilities. You see the jump
cut ability, you see the smoothness with his cuts. You

(37:00):
see that at the top of the route. You know,
you get him matched up against a linebacker as a
pass catcher, and he's got the ability to get open.
But then he's one of those guys that like gets
open at the top of the route, catches the ball
and goes down right Like he's not one of those
guys that catches the ball at the top of the
route on like an angle route or something like that
and turns like a six yard completion into like a
twenty yard game. Like that's not this is a guy

(37:23):
that was UDFA. Yeah. So but if he's gonna make
the roster, like that's how he's gonna make it, Like
he's not gonna make the roster as a first and
second down running back. He's gonna make the roster because
he can contribute in the pass game and because he
can run in sub package situations. Maybe because he can
play on special teams like and all those.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
I think he can play on early I think he
can play on early downs or get played on early downs. So,
by the way, just comparison for speed here, Yeah, laris
And didn't run at the combine ran a four four
six forty So even if we want to round that
up pro dain number one, you're gonna four to four
six at his pro we can round it up to
a four five.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I don't think he was anywhere close to four four six.
But no, like truly, no disrespect, but like he he
looks like a four to six guy to me.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Okay even even still, so here's another one that has
him at four five seven because for five sounds, see
if I can find his RAS card that four or
five seven. I think my argument's gonna gonna stand no
matter what his The math bomb has him at a
four five seven, so we'll use that four five seven.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Which again is not the end of the world. Like
running back, forty yard dash times for running backs is
not overly important. What do you think that? What do
you think Brandon Bolden wran?

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Probably four to six, four six, six, Yeah. What do
you think rex Burke had ran?

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah? Not well there were four six one, four seven three. Oh.
I didn't realize it was that bad.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, So I'm not worried about the top line speed.
I think he can still be the player for that role.
Is he gonna be a big home run hit or no.
That's why the draft of Trevion Henderson. You want the
horme run here? Do you put Travon Henderson in the game?
I'm not super it's a fair critique. I just don't
think it's going to be that much of a factor
in terms of that's if they're putting him in a
role where he needs to outrun guys to succeed, that's

(39:07):
on the coaching staff for putting.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Him in the wrong role. That's fair I I look
at his game and I, like I said the other day,
I know he called me lazy for making the rex
burg Head comparison, but I still feel like that's accurate.
I didn't realize rex Burkhead was as big as he was.
That's why I said that. Yeah, I mean like this,
this the play style, the side, like the all the
measurements like check out to match up with rex Burkhead, uh,

(39:31):
you know, quicker, not fast, you know, I got all
those things.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I will still because I think he has that defensive
mentality on the offense side of the ball. I'm still
gonna put Brandon Bolden out there. But they're bold and
rex Burke Att are similar players.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, so sure enough. All right, let's go to receivers. Yeah,
this is a lengthy list, so i'll i'll, we got
twelve names here, uh, Stefan Diggs, Matt Collins, Damario Douglas,
Kyle Williams, Kendrick Bourne, Kai, Shan Boodie, Jalen Polk, jayvon Baker,
John Giles, e Ft and Chisholm, Demir Blancamozy and Blank Music,

(40:06):
Blank Musy and Jeremiah Webb. So that's twelve names currently
at wide receiver. As Paul Perla likes to say, don't
mistake a lot of names for having a good receiver room,
right you bl BLANKEM see, there's a lot of names there.
A couple of facilitation questions that I jotted down. The
consensus seems to be that Stefan Diggs in some capacity,

(40:29):
whether it's pup or on the roster. Well, this is
what makes it tough.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
If we're talking about the fifty three rosters there rosters
for this first question, then we'll get to that second part.
For this first question, let's assume that Stefan Diggs is
going to start the week one on the fifty three,
on the fifty three, Stefan Diggs, MC collins, Pop Douglas,
Kyle Williams. Those feel like the four locks consensus locks
yes at this point. So my question, for the sake

(40:55):
of facilitation is among this group that I'm about to
name a four play, who is the safest receiver out
of these four Kendrick Bourne, Yeah, Kayshaun Boody Yeah, Jalen Polk,
Javon Baker.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
So if that's the group right, like that.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Right in theory, because they're gonna keep five and then
the questions would they keep six and what happens with you?

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Right?

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Right?

Speaker 1 (41:17):
In theory, it should be Jalen Polk just because usually
teams give a second round pick the way Rabel Wolf Cowden,
the way they've taken a hatchet to this roster. Yeah,
I don't think that that holds weight or significant weight.
Maybe a little bit, but like, I don't think they'd
be afraid to move on from a second round pick.
I don't think they would. So I'm gonna go with

(41:39):
Kendrick Bourne with the caveat. So I think it's Kendrick
Bourne because McDaniel's had a lot of success with him
in twenty twenty one. This coaching staff seems to be
really big in a familiarity. Who are guys we know
we can work with, Who are guys we know?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
What do we want? Bloah whatever, you know. I love
this stat.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Before he hit COVID in twenty twenty one, Kendrick Born
was on a thousand yard pace.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, I mean he was on a thousand yard pace
in twenty three too, with Bill O'Brien in similar offense.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
So it's really un I think Kendrick Borne is a
really good player that there's been a series of unfortunate
events that they've never been able to tap into his potential.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
But here's the reality of it.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
As big of a fan of his as I am,
and I say this all the time, right, Kendrick Bourne,
I'll find a spot on my team for that guy
any day. He's gonna be thirty years old in August,
and he had a significant nee injury, so two years
removed from the ACL that's encouraging. If Bourne is healthy
and explosive and maybe isn't exactly the player he wasn't

(42:35):
twenty twenty one, but is a lot closer to that
than he was last year, and that knees continue to
heal well and he has another gear beyond where he
was at last year coming right off that rehab. I
think it's Kendrick Bourne because again, I think the familiarity
with McDaniels that's going to hold a lot of weight
if it's not. If Bourne's out there and he just
can't move, like the knees not bouncing back, right, and

(42:56):
it's he turned thirty, and I'm not rooting. I hope
he's the guy like I wanted to be the guy,
because I think he has the highest seeling of any
of those players. But if like physically, he can't do it,
then I think it's Kayshaun Booty because you need a
true X. It's between him and him and Javon Baker.
He's proven more. I think he has more the mental
makeup they're looking for, so that I think it would

(43:18):
go to kaisha On Boody. But if he's fully healthy
with that, which I acknowledge is a relatively big if,
if he's fully healthy, it should be Kendrick Borne.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
I'm with you. I would say Kendrick Borne as well
for all the same reasons. Twenty twenty one really solid
year under Josh McDaniels. I think that familiarity, especially in
an offense like this that is harder to grasp for
wide receivers, it's just gonna give him a nice leg up.
It's the same offense essentially that he ran in twenty
three with Bill O'Brien to and had similar success. So

(43:46):
he's got proven commodity or you know, proven proof of
concept in O'Brien and in McDaniels' offense. It's very almost
like nine to nine percent similar playbooks, and he's done
good in both of them, whereas with Jalen Polk and
Javon Baker Kaisham Boudi to an extent, he's with O'Brien

(44:07):
in twenty three, so I guess he had a little
bit of a taste of it. Remember he played one
weekday knows it, but he was in the program ye
at that point. But for all intents and purposes, those
guys are young players that are going to be learning
a complex offense on the fly here coming up, and
Kendrick Boren is going to come in and already have
a really good feel for what they're trying to do. Now,

(44:27):
what hurts to other than the injury and the explosiveness
and all those types of things that you talked about,
what hurts him to me the most is redundancy. And
I understand that they've gotten into trouble in the past
by caring too much about redundancy. But we're not talking
about the draft. We're talking about putting together a roster.
And if you're putting together a wide receiver room, the

(44:49):
ideal wide receiver room to me is like a basketball lineup,
Like you have a one through five. You have a
point guard all the way up to the center right
so you have big guys and small guys, you have
different types of skill sets. Kendrick Bourne to me, is
like Stefan Diggs is sort of gonna be in a
similar mold. Ahead of him on the depth chart. You're
gonna want to play Kyle Williams, so he's the other

(45:11):
similar skill set. Jalen Polk and Kendrick Bourne both have
similar skill sets. And Jalen Polk as the younger player,
year two, first second round pick, rookie contract, like all
those different things, right, So if you look at redundancy,
you know there's three or four guys on this roster
that all plays similarly to Kendrick Bourne. And Kendrick Bourne

(45:31):
is the oldest, and he has the most injury history,
and he's the most expensive besides Diggs. So when you
add all that up, like it might not be great
for Kendrick Bourne, but if he plays well enough, I
think that ultimately they will just take the most talented
five guys.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
They have to keep talent at that position. And I
think I'm with you on the redundancy thing, but with
these guys specifically, it's versatility. They can all line up
at all three spots, so it's not. It'd be one
thing if you had like three true X receive and
that's what they do and that's what they play.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
But like.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
They can all play all three spots, so you can
have all of them on the field at the same time.
I don't think it's quite as redundant.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
I just wonder you know you mentioned with Booty. Booty
is a guy that can truly play on the outside. Yeah,
he might not be the most productive X receiver in
the league, but he can truly play on the outside
at a high volume like he did last year. I
don't know if Diggs, Williams or Bourne and certainly not
Pop or any of those guys are truly going to
be playing five hundred snaps at the X like Khan

(46:32):
Boody could. So that means that if you put that
group together, somebody's playing on the outside that's probably best
used in a different role, you know, whether that's Digs
or it's Kyle Williams, one of those guys is going
to have to play on the outside, or it's mc
collins that's playing a high volume on the outside. Just
as like I like to say, the sacrificial X role, right,

(46:53):
like just just to be out there, so maybe that
they're comfortable with that booty I find fascinating in this
room because he probably has the most trade value out
of any of these guys. I would say, younger player,
rookie contract cost controlled, had a nice year last year,
you know, almost six hundred yards right last year kind

(47:16):
of a Usually when you see receivers start to break
out like that five point fifty mark is like the
the the line of demarcation right. Once they get over that,
you kind of feel like that receiver is starting to
come on a little bit and might have even more
in the tank, so to speak. So Kaishan Boody, it's

(47:38):
good and bad right in terms of him here. On
the one hand, you could look at Kaishan Boody and say,
this is a third year receiver with upside with promise
that we like. Or you could sit there and say,
if he's the odd man out, we probably could get
the most for him in a trade. And you know
which way do you fall on that with Kaishan Boody.

(47:59):
Would you rather try to continue to develop him or
would you shop him?

Speaker 1 (48:04):
I mean it depends what they think is upside is
if they think he can be like a fringe thousand
yard receivert like you know, eight nine hundred yard guy,
and that's probably what he's gonna cap out at. I'd
probably trade him. Yeah, if you think he can be
like a twelve hundred yard receiver, like a true number one,
obviously you keep him.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, last one on the receiver. So I know it's
a topic of interest obviously. Yeah. Uh, Jalen Polkin, Javon Baker,
I don't know how secure they are. Like you said,
it's a new regime, it's a new coach and there's
a new sheriff in town. You know, as much as
the sunk costs of two was Javon Baker's like one

(48:39):
oh five right in the fourth round in his dream
one sixteen? Wasn't he taken after Laydon Robinson? You could
be right about that, Yeah, job one ten, So two
guys that were drafted high. Lane Romson was one of three. Yeah,
one one at thirty seven and one at one ten.
Does that's investment in both those guys, But it wasn't

(49:01):
like Rabel or Ryan Cowden's investment, right, it was somebody
else's investment. I just wonder, you know what they think
about those guys now, you know, Baker is a program
type of guy that you wonder if he's going to
be on the program, right, you got to get him
on the tracks. Jalen Polk, I think it's more, uh
that Kyle Williams and Stefan Diggs are just kind of

(49:22):
more explosive versions of Jalen Polk and they have maybe
another gear, more dynamic play speed than what Jalen Polk
even coming out. If you thought that that Jalen Polk
was going to hit, I still think you watch Kyle
Williams play and you see a guy that has an
extra gear than what Jalen Polk is going to bring
to the table. So I'm interested to see what happens
with those guys. Fton Chisholm is the one other guy

(49:44):
I wanted to mention. He's a McDaniel slot right right
to be in the conversation. You can call me lazy
for that one too if you want, but you know
he's fair. He's a McDaniel slot. And we've talked in
the past about Tomario Douglas being probably we best used
is like in the more like the am Mondola to
an Edelman than an Edelman to an Ammondola. You know,

(50:05):
guy that's more of like a three receiver package eleven
personnel package player in the slot, not a high more
vertically Yeah, not a high volume guy like that sort
of thing. Fton Chisholm is one of those first and
second level jitterbugs, like that's what he does. I don't
know if he'll make the roster. He might be a
UDFAU practice squad stash for a year and then maybe

(50:28):
move up, you know, try to see if he can
make a push as we go along here. But I'm
not ruling out Efton Chisholm, like I'm not ruling out
Land Lar. Yeah. I'm not ruling out either.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
And the thing with Laris and I meant to bring up,
is he got a pretty significant signing bonus.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, for u DFA that's usually a TEL.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
I don't know if we have the number on the
exact number on Chishm, but I thought I saw something
somewhere that he got a decent chunk of change too.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah, so that's wide receiver. I know we're gonna unpack
that seventeen more times between now and September. Oh yes,
be fun. And so next position here tight end slash
full back. I put them both together, Hunter Henry Austin Hooper,
Jaheem Bell, Jack Westover still on the ninety He's still here. CJ.
Dupree my guy from Alabama, Brock Lampy the full back

(51:16):
from Northern Illinois, true full back. And G. Scott Junior,
another undrafted rookie who the Patriots are reportedly adding. So
seven names, you know, pretty good amount of tight ends
on a roster usually only carried two or three.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Well, we know Mike rabel As said at the owners meetings,
Can we build a whole thing out of tight end?

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah? I'm sure he would love that. So I think
the biggest question that I have at tight end is
breaking this down of Jaheem Bell versus Dupree and Lampy,
and more so specifically to Bell, like is Bell's future
as a full back? Like can they convert Jaheim Bell

(51:55):
into or at least more like a you know, a
guy that's a Swiss army knife that can maybe do
a little bit of everything. But would Jaheim Bell have
to be catered more towards a full back role to
push this roster? You know, Depree's more of like the
prototypical why prototypical inline tight end option if they want
to go that way. Bell's not that Bell's not going

(52:16):
to put his hand in the dirt and be a
sixth offensive lineman like I think Deprie is more like that,
and then Lampi is a true fullback, so he's got
the experience, and then Bell's like kind of in the
middle of those two guys. So what I'm interested with,
you know, the third tight end spot they do keep
three is what what what's their flavor?

Speaker 6 (52:33):
Right?

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Like, what kind of guy are they going to go
for here? It should be interesting. What are your thoughts
on Jaem Bell And do you think that he's going
to transition to full back? Do you think that they
have another role in mind for him? Where does he
stand right now? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:46):
I think like you said it all, it all kind
of comes down to fit, right. If they want that
more h back move role, then maybe it's Jehem Bell,
but he's gonna have to improve as a blocker. But
if it's going to be the traditional Josh McDaniels thing,
like we talked about the fton Jis Brock, Lampy's the
traditional Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Fallback six' one two, sixty built like a brick.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Wall he's, like if the plan is for the fullback
more often than not to go into THE a gap
and meet a linebacker who's gonna fare better in that,
collision Brock lampy Or Dagen, bell that's just not Really
Jaheen bell's play. Style he's more like A kyle used
check kind of. Guy Brock lampy's your your outright lead.
Blockers so if that's what they're looking for the traditional

(53:28):
McDaniel's fall, back It's. Lampy if they want the More
kyle used check move, guy THEN i Think bell is a.
Shot AND i also think maybe G scott has a
chance at. That the guy was a four star wide
receiver recruit coming out of high school and then move
to tight end after his first. Year puts some weight
on move tight end after his first year at Highest
see he's really an untapped, Player like he didn't get

(53:49):
a ton of run At Ohio state and he's playing
a new position all.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
That so we'll see what they do with.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Him but If josh McDaniels wants the Next James devlin
wants the Next Yakub, johnson is Brock.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Lampy, Yeah. Uh the one QUESTION i had With Jaim,
bell you, know moving more to the full back role
is like he's kind of high. Cut like he's a
taller guy and he's kind of high. Cut when you
think of full, backs you want guys that can really
get leverage and like get underneath players and have play
with good pad level and uh you you typically want
them built more uh you, know, stouter more compact Like

(54:21):
Brock lampy's built, right like you know six, one two.
Sixty you don't want six, three two fifty or two
forty five Like Jaimee. Bell you want a guy that is,
uh you, know lower to the ground to get that
leverage and get that pad level. Advantage so if he's
gonna play full, back like does he have the flexibility
in his lower body and that you, know to to
sink and get underneath guys and really square guys up

(54:45):
and things like. THAT i don't, know like you, said
if that's necessarily his. Game, NOW i know there's a
lot of people that would probably love a full back
that's more of a passing, thread you, know that's Not.
Lampy Like, lampy if you release him out of the
backside and he's like the check down option on the
left side of the field or the right side of the. Field, like,
yeah he'll catch the ball and like he'll rumble for
a few extra yards and go. Down Like i'm not

(55:07):
saying he's a complete zero in terms of, That like
he has enough hands to like just catch checkdowns and
things like. That but with Jaheem bell in, theory and
again this is more in. Theory he's never actually done,
it we've never seen. It but in, theory you might
be able to have him run some more dynamic routes
like you Mentioned kyle used check, right someone that could
could potentially run a, wheel you, know down the sideline

(55:29):
out of the backfield or something like. That so would
it be worth it to make that transition to a more,
dynamic a more athletic full back like A Jaheen bell
that might not be the battering ram That lampy, is
but might be someone that can add a little bit
more in the passing.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Game, well this is where SO I vrabel's gonna put
his fingerprints on, this, RIGHT i think back to what
he had In. Tennessee he And Jaheen. Bell, yeah But
Jeeene bell is a tight. End, yeah they used them
like AN h back With Jahem bell is a tight?

Speaker 2 (55:53):
End you Mean John? Smith Johnny? Smith, yes thank, You Johnny.
Smith so.

Speaker 6 (55:59):
Is it.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
There's another way we could frame this, conversation BECAUSE i
think they had a true fall back to at least early.
On they may not have the whole, time BUT i
think they did early. On is It Jahem bell Versus
Brock lampy or is It Jeheen bell versus. C. J?

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Duprie?

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yeah and is it we think they want that third
blocking tight end and got some, athleticism might have some
receiving upside Or, okay we have our two traditional inline tight.
Ends they're gonna, Block they'll be. Fine Jahem bell is
gonna be our move tight, end our h back Or
john New. Smith but then we'll also still Have Brock
lampy when we want.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
To GO i and just run. Down so that'd be
four guys at that. SPOT i, mean it's Obviously lampy
is a full, back but it's all kind of. One
this is what we talked. About how many running backs
do you?

Speaker 7 (56:40):
Keep?

Speaker 2 (56:40):
It, yeah so maybe you keep three running backs and
you can keep if you.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Decide all, right you, know we're good with you, know
we're gonna Keep Land, Larison we're gonna Cut Antonio gibson
orf they're gonna move on From. Larison and it's only
a three running back. Room that's how you get away from.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
That MAYBE i just can't imagine A josh McDaniel's offense
without a full. Back it's just so ingrained in. Him
like regular, personnel you, know twenty one they call it.
Regular like when you call something, regular, yeah that it
means that that's like a base foundation element to your. Offense, right, so,
uh twenty one, personnel two, back full, back running back

(57:15):
in the, Backfield like that's that's what McDaniels go. To
AND i feel Like whenevers hits the fan for The
patriots offense with, McDaniel's whether it was nineteen twenty twenty, one,
eight you, know really, eighteen nineteen twenty twenty, one what
do they go? To they put, Them they put the
quarterback under, center they put the two backs behind, him

(57:36):
and they're running, downhill right like That that's what you
go to when you want to close out a game
when you're not moving the ball through the air and you're, Struggling,
like what we're gonna go to our, regular we're gonna
go to our base, stuff our day one, install and
we're gonna run lead iso right at, you and we're
gonna we're gonna try to move the ball by running it.
Downhill until McDaniels doesn't do that and doesn't have that

(57:58):
in his in his back of, Trade i'm not going
to believe that he he'll roster a team without a full.
Back but, again are you doing that stuff With Jahem? Bell?
Right you could, be you could be either, way but
he's that guy or in, Theory and as we move
on to the offensive, line like you could do it
with a sixth offensive. Lineman now that's really a, tell,
like now you're really telling the defense that you're going

(58:20):
to probably be eighty five eighty twenty maybe run pass,
right like you're really telling the defense at that point
that you're running the. Football BUT i broke up tackles
and interior offensive lineman for the sake of the. Exercise
so let's start with, Tackles Will, Campbell, Morgan moses of,
course But Darian, Lowe Caden, Wallace Dematri, jacobs And Marcus

(58:42):
bryant The patriots seventh round. Pick So Will, Campbell Morgan
moses is your. Starters they're obviously going to be here left,
tackle right. Tackle the fascinating CONVERSATION i, had you, know
or have with these the next couple of spots. Here,
yeah a couple of. Questions Darian. Lowe we talked about
this a little bit last, WEEK i, think and we've
talked about a little bit in the. Past vadarian low

(59:03):
is a one position. Backup Vatarian lowe is a left tackle.
Backup he is not very good at right. Tackle he's
not a. Guard you, know he's not going to play.
Inside if you're on AN nfl team as a, backup
it's it's kind of hard to make a roster as
a one position Multipositional and the same can be said For. Dematra,
yeah AND i would say really on the offensive line in,
general like that's in. PARTICULAR i, mean it's really hard

(59:25):
to make the team as a, seventh d eighth offensive
lineman if you have no position flex like you were
just locked into left. Tackle, now my other question.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Said he'd like that's something they're gonna value from backup
Offensive i'm in a particular ability to play right so
Is Vaderian.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Lowe what's his? Status what you know what's his future
as a one position. Backup AND i still have not
totally given up On Cayden. Wallace, yeah we haven't seen
him mainly is the reason he didn't play basically at
all his rookie. Years So i'm, like you know some
of the other rookies that we did see play last
year where you might be a little bit lukewarm on
them at this, Point Kden wallace is kind of like

(01:00:04):
this unknown character and all of. This, now my expectation
or my hope With Kayden wallace is that they are
training him to play right tackle Once Morgan moses decides
to hang it, up or at least that's the. Idea
right that he's in the developmental.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Plant see what you have a, Year see what you
get if You if you think that he can be that,
guy you keep.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Developing if, not you didn't do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
It with live bullets, flying and, right you draft somebody next.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Year so k Kidden wallace as the right tackle and
waiting if you want to call it. THAT i think
there is some ability for him to maybe potentially play
a little bit of guard if you wanted to do.
That so the question more is is, like do you
Keep Kayden wallace on the track of just you're gonna
play right tackle and we're, gonna you, know earmark you

(01:00:50):
as the right tackle of the future To Morgan, moses
or do you move him around and try to find
places for him to, play whether it's left, guard whether
it's swim. Tackle you, know being able to go both
ways at, tackle you know which way do you go
With Kaden?

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Wallace SO i think you keep him as a developmental
right tackle. Prospect that doesn't mean he can't maybe give
you some right guard snaps if you. Need certainly would
be to your. Point if that's the, group he's gonna
be your sixth offensive, lineman and we saw him do
that last, year be that jumbo tight. Ends so, YEAH
i figure that would be his. Role to me With Vederian,
lowe it comes back To Marcus. Bryant, yeah Because Marcus

(01:01:26):
bryant is a true swing. Tackle is he a good?
One is he AN nfl caliber? One that's what we're
gonna have to figure out In july And.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
August but LIKE I i think people get a.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Little too On Vederian lowe's, case like he's not a
starting caliber. Player he's not in they shouldn't have created
a situation where he was starting last. Year BUT i
think he's like AN nfl caliber. Backup we saw that last,
year like there were spots where he.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Could hold his.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Own it wasn't consistent enough to be a. Starter but
he can only play that left. Side like you, said
If Marcus bryant can play the left, side it closed
two or at or better the same level as very
low and then play on the right side at a similar. Level,
well if you have two guys who are similar caliber
left tackles but one can also play right, tackle that's

(01:02:12):
a no brainer who you're. Keeping so to, me IT'S
i Think, Campbell, moses And wallace are on the. Team
It's Vederian, Lowe Marcus, bryant and if you want to
Throw Demontre jacobs in, there you can for the last.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
SPOT i do think they'll carry four. Tackles i'm pretty
much with. YOU i think what's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Interesting but then the, idea, sorry but then the idea would,
be If bryant proves he can be a true Swing
Morgan moses moves. On Will campbell's you're starting, Left Cane
wallace you're starting. Right Marcus bryant's you're back up at
both spots and you're keeping, three, right you're keeping three.
Tackles long, term you just need to keep an extra
guy this year while you Develop.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
WALLACE i find it, LIKE i think there's a real
possibility and hopefully this Will campbell's healthy his entirerogy. Year
we don't have to find. Out BUT i think there's
a real possibility that a guy Like Marcus, bryant like you,
said could be a swing, tackle BECAUSE i think he
did a little bit more of that At missouri and
there's some more of that in his, game all. RIGHT
i think he was AT smu first and Then. Missouri.

(01:03:09):
Uh but With marcus Bryan, like isn't there a world
where if they needed somebody to go in at all
left tackle that he probably gets to call Over Kadon,
Wallace And Kaden wallace is like just focused on playing
the right left.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Tackle oh, yeah, NO I i don't Want Kane wallace
to be the backup left.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Tackle, Yeah so you want him to be in a
developmental pipeline for right tackle and then and he can
play jumbo title, yeah right, right and then duke it
out for the swing tackle between Low jacobs And.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Brian, Well i'm kind of, well it would. BE i
don't know If brian is the swing, tackle and if,
not it's Just low And. Jacobs and you're committing the
carrot because in this, case you're moving on From Marcus, bryant,
Right you're now committing to carrying four tackles and you're
gonna have to find it Another.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
And then was backing Up campbell And wallace is backing Up.
Moses that that could definitely be where it goes as.
Well SO i THINK i Think brian, died no, doubt
he just got. Drafted the other two guys have been
in the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
League, brian it Has and WHEN i say, THIS i
mean as a, Backup bryant has much more upside Than
jacob's are, well, YEAH i, Agree, WELL i mean in
terms of, UPSIDE i, agree, yeah just the ability to
play both.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Sides, YEAH i think the ability to swing. Times BECAUSE
i agree with you Is Vaderian. Low LIKE i don't
Think Vanderian low's. AWFUL i Think Vaderian low's inconsistent and
because of, that he's not a, starter, right because he
has these mental apses where he's you, know not lining
up correctly or jumping off side or just not locked
in every, snap and that's why he's not a. Starter

(01:04:34):
but there are starting level reps On Vaderian lowe's. Tape
it's just you can't just ignore the bad, stuff, right
and that's why you know it was such a. Need
But Vaderian low's AN nfl player in terms, of you,
know being a backup left. Tackle he's just only a
backup left, tackle which makes things complicated for. Him let's
move to interior offensive. Line there's a lot of names

(01:04:56):
here as, well some interesting, battles certainly a left, guard
BUT i also think the is a battle at. CENTER
I i don't think that that's a shoe in For
Garrett bradberry saying that's his free Agency Mike Leyden, Robinson Garrett,
Bradberry Jared, Wilson Cole Strange city So Ben, Brown Tyres,
Robinson West, Sweitzer Jack, Conley. Colbert, oh so that is

(01:05:21):
eleven names at an interior offensive. Line they are. Obvious,
yes they're obviously not going to keep eleven interior offensive too.
Many they probably are going to keep four or. Five
four is probably more. Likely the two questions THAT i
THAT i have here are you, know obviously left. Guard
that's one of the biggest camp BATTLES i think across the,

(01:05:41):
board but really open the guy that uh that that's
the true wild card here to me Is Jared, wilson
because straight, up there's a world Where Jared wilson beats
Out bradberry for the starting center. JOB i think that
is a real real case for that you're talking about in?

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Camp, yeah BECAUSE i think week, one, RIGHT i think
what this is all about Is Jared wilson's going to
start at center at some point this year for The.
Patriots it's just a matter of how Long Garrett bradbury
can hold him. Off, yeah or at least by twenty six,
CERTAINLY i think even maybe late this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Year so, YEAH i think it's. DEAD i think it's
a definitely possibility to the year.

Speaker 8 (01:06:17):
Start.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Well but here's the, thing Is Garrett bradbury one of these,
guys because this goes to the, numbers Is Garrett bradbury
one of these guys that is a veteran six year
starter in the. League is he here no matter what
or is it start or he's not on the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Team it's a good question and the, Contract i'm sure you,
know the numbers come out and it's all inflated and
stuff like. That they can get out of. It they
can probably get out of the. Contract it's that's the
question THAT i, Have like Is Garrett bradbury truly? Safe
because If Jared wilson comes into, camp AND i know
it's people that are on his side or in his
camp THAT i talk, to But i've talked to some
people for the future That i'm writing about him on the,

(01:06:52):
website and, like the guy is just supremely. Talented like
the words that you're hearing about him are like special
in terms of his fish. Traits you, know he falls
in the draft of the third round because he's a
one year starter and he plays center, right so it's
not a position of, value and he only played one
year At. Georgia but everybody you here talk to him
is comparing him to some pretty high, comps, right like

(01:07:16):
not quite Like Jason, kelcey but like the cop THAT
i got From Duke, manny whether was Like eric McCoy
And New orleans who's been with The danes last week
had a good? One do you? REMEMBER i remember he had,
one AND i don't remember who he said find? It so,
regardless like that there's the word uniquely, talented special in
terms of his, traits the. Athleticism the real question With

(01:07:39):
Jared wilson is, like can He Rodney, Hudson Rodney hudson great?
Player like the real question With Jared wilson is mentally
can he catch on quick enough to be A week one?
Starter AND i know we disagree a little bit on,
this and that's WHY i wanted to bring it. UP
i believe that it's there's a world Where Jared wilson's
playing left guard as a rookie because if he plays left,

(01:08:02):
guard there's no not, no but there's very there's less
mental tax on him than playing. Center, yeah but he's
still one of their best five.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Blockers but then how is he gonna learn that that
mental stuff that he needs to learn to play?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Center, well couldn't he learn all that? Stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Still LIKE i don't know what's holding him, back you,
know just being ready to. PLAY i think at a
certain point you have to do it to learn. It
that position it's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
DIFFERENT i just wonder if there's a world AND i don't,
WONDER i think there could be a world Where campbell
and is left to Right, Campbell Jared, Wilson Garrett bradby
When Morgan moses is your five best offensive.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Lineman but don't don't you think that If wilson is
good enough to play left guard or ready enough to
play left, guard start, there he's ready enough to start at.
Center how big is the difference Between Garrett bradbury And
city sew Or Lane.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Robinson that's a fair, question But i'm more thinking about
it in terms of you have a second year quarterback back.
There Garrett bradbury started like eighty games in THE. Nfl
he's an EXPERIENCED nfl starter at the. Position you, know
how much of a help Is Garrett bradberry going to
be from a communications standpoint With Drake May and is
that enough to just for this year Have Garrett bradberry

(01:09:22):
here While Jared.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Wilson does that offset having a rookie left, side which
you're gonna have a full rookie left. Side you would
also think the first thing you hear about With wilson
is his FOOTBALL. IQ i don't think it's a wrong
taking a, bubble BUT i think For Jared wilson, specifically
a major reason he went as high as he did
was his.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Intelligence, YEAH i mean he's a great he's a really great. Talent,
yeah we'll see if he puts it all. TOGETHER i
mean that's a question with any of these, rookies but
he's a really great. TALENT i JUST i wonder if
there's a scenario where it's Like Jared wilson as a
blocker is just so dynamic that he's too good to
keep him off the. Field but we just don't feel
great about our, battery to use a baseball, Term, yeah

(01:10:02):
being a rookie and a second year guy and at quarterback,
right like that's it's just a lot of youth at
two highly, complex communicative type of, positions whereas at left,
guard like he's just blocking the people in front of. Him,
right we've also.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Seen McDaniels wasn't there one Year it probably would have
been the Year andrews was sick That joney.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Did all that from the left. Guard, Well Teddy carris
was the center of the year That andrews was. Sick
SO i can't imagine That Ted carriss didn't have a
hand in. IT i, Know but why DO i rememberbe
it was Like Ted harris got hurt for like a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
GAME i remember there being a year or at least
a portion of a year Where Joe tooney was making
all the line calls from left. Guard it's, Possible and
so couldn't you do that With mike ol AND?

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Winu you? Could you? COULD i don't know if on
when who was really that kind of, guy you, know
in terms of like the really studying it and knowing
the x's and o's like, that that's what it. All
it goes into as. Well it's like it's not just
oh he's like he's a loud. Guy he's a good
communicator on the. Field it's also like the study habits

(01:11:09):
that you have to go into the game and you
have to understand all their, fronts and you have to
understand all their pressure packages on third down and where
they like to bring blitzes from and what their tels,
are and like all the study and film work that
goes in to being ready to call out line calls
in AN nfl, Game like you have to have somebody
that's prepared to do that and is ready to do.

(01:11:30):
That Garrett bradberry's been doing it for six seven, years,
Right like he's definitely ready to do. IT i just
don't know if other people are and maybe they will
be you, know Maybe Jared wilson will be ready for.
It we'll. See BUT i, MEAN i think you drafted
for his. INTELLIGENCE i think they draft because of his athleticism.
Too his athleticism is, skyhigh you, know his upside and
his traits are. Immense, yeah it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Was in twenty nineteen at some, point Like i'm finding
like sort of tweets about. IT i can't find the full,
article But i'm pretty sure it's point in twenty Nineteen
Joe tooty was making line calls for The patriots as
the left.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
GUARD i believe. It so the other conversation here is
obviously just let's Take wilson out of. It just the
competition at left guard is really feels like it's Between,
Robinson strange And city so. Who i'm not ruling out
winning the job, either because of his success in his
twenty three yeah with With bill.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
O'Brien, so but here's the. Thing let's Say wilson makes
the team And bradbury is. Cut, yeah who wins The
who wins the battle for backup? Center Ben Browner Cole?

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
STRANGE i, was, so here's the thing About strange THAT
i think helps, him, right AND i know that there
was some photos From OTA's where it looked Like strange was,
snapping you, know so like he's definitely getting some reps
at least dead. Center, yeah that helps him, Right like
he could play left guard or he could played. Center
the one THING i remember WHEN i talked To Jim,

(01:12:56):
nagy who's now At, oklahoma but he was the director
of The Senior, bowl the one thing he mentioned With
Leyden robinson when they drafted him last year is similar
to what we were talking about With Darien. Lowe Like
Landon robinson's a, guard like he's a one position player
on the offensive. Line So Cold strange at least has
that in his back pocket that he can play center
and he can play. Guard so even if he's not

(01:13:17):
the starter at left, guard like he could back up
two different, spots which is big for him now or if.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
HE i, guess even if he does win the, job
you still might not need to carry a backup center
because If wilson goes, down you're. Playing although that's pretty
Against scarnecki's. Philosophy so where does McDaniel's fall on that
in terms of moving in terms of moving, right one,
in one. Out so If Cole stranger's starting left guard
in your backup. Center, now, essentially if your center you

(01:13:45):
lose one, player you're on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Two, backs you lose two. Players, yeah so maybe they
wouldn't be as quick to do. That so as it stands,
today without any, practice we have not observed this single.
Thing so just off your, Gut robinson so, strange who
is who's the starting left guard when we get out
to training camp on day? ONE i Think City so

(01:14:06):
is the best potential. There, oh who's it going to
be day? One, Yeah like when we get out TO
o T our FIRST ota practice and we see the starting,
five who's at left? Guard, geez that's. Tough, YEAH i
think IT'S i Think CITY so is gonna win. It,
yeah but the paths will have to come on from
it could be. ANYBODY i think it's gonna Be Laden. Robinson, yeah.

(01:14:27):
PROBABLY i think there will be enough From elliott and
and the people that are still here from last year
that they'll push For Laden robinson to get.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Uh there there is like a an undercurrent there For Wes,
schweitzer who's like had some experience in the, league and
is it might Be Wes sweitzer just because he's a. Veteran,
yeah you, know veteran guy that that there's some there's
some love for him. THERE I i Love Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
CONLEY i was gonna say Player Jack connolly belongs in this.
Conversation maybe not to be the, starter but definitely as a.
Backup we've talked about diversatility a. Lot it can play
ALL i think you could probably play.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
OFF i have. SPOTS i think he's too tall to play.
Center he can definitely play all. Four he's he's. Four,
yeah he has four position.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
VERSATILITY i think he's gonna be competing hard for backup.
Role he's somebody That so WHEN i do my roster,
PROJECTION i think we both do this the same. Way
all put on at least the first one of the,
year and THEN i kind of tweaked on each. One but,
like all, Right i'm gonna go. Through i'm just gonna
list every player THAT i think has a decent chance
of making the team and Then i'll go from there

(01:15:27):
or like every player THAT i want to put on
this roster, Projection.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
YEP i Have Jack connelly on.

Speaker 8 (01:15:31):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Yeah Jack, CONNELLY i think is gonna have a NICE nfl.
CAREER i don't know if it's gonna be. Here and
WHEN i say, nice, LIKE i don't know if he'll
ever be a entrenched starter in THE. Nfl but the
thing that you, know and as At Boston college is pro,
day everybody just kept on, saying you, know six man
like he's gonna be the six man of some offensive
line where he's gonna have be a four position. Backup and,

(01:15:55):
oh our our left guard goes down on the opening,
Drive jack's going, in our right tackle goes down on
the opening, Drive conley's going in like. That it just
it has so much value that he can do. That
he also played a little bit of like jumbo tight
end to like you, know tackle eligible stuff. Like he's
just got a ton of. Versatility so that's, uh those
are sort of my you, know where my my burning questions,

(01:16:17):
are if you want to put it that, way on
this group as we head into OTAs and What i'll
be looking. For and it's a it's an interesting roster
on offense because you have some, Locks there's no doubt about.
It there's some real entrench, guys you, Know, Campbell, Moses Henry,
hooper probably the receivers we Mentioned stevenson Treveon henderson and
Obviously Drake may And Joshua. Dawes but you know those

(01:16:39):
at large spots like you like to call, it like
those are they're up for. GRABS i, Have they're wide.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
OPEN i have thirty six players with a real shot
at making the team on. Offense, yeah and in reality
that number is probably going to be somewhere from like
twenty four to twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Eight.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Yeah, yeah all, right we'll open it up to you. Guys,
now that was fun and we'll we'll get into. It
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The New England. Patriots let's get to the. PHONES i
Know sean And patty have been, waiting SO i, Apologize But,
sean what's. UP a couple of.

Speaker 8 (01:17:26):
Weeks, ago you apologized profusely about not getting to the,
emails and it's kind of funny to, me at least,
anyways BECAUSE i wrote an email just asking or stating
THAT i don't Think andrew mccouba would be there because
he's going to be drafted too. High what do you
think Of Craig? Woodson AND i also asked in the

(01:17:48):
same email about three pullbacks Including Brock, Lampy so of
what your. Opinion so it's kind of funny how things
went and with its team there's so many, changes which
makes sense when the previous year you only want four.
Games SO i think there's going to be like half
the team is going to be different from last. Year

(01:18:08):
AND i, Like i'm. EXCITED i, MEAN i don't know
what's going to, happen But i'm excited about this. CLASS
i can imagine ten of the eleven draft picks being
there on day one as. Starters are you, know just
on the team, anyway not necessarily, starting but being part
of the fifty. Three and then the other QUESTION i

(01:18:29):
have for you is being that of the draft, picks
who do you think has the longest shot of making the.
Team so that's that's my question to, You and thanks a.
Lot speak to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Soon thanks for the, Call, sean and a good call
on the draft picks and nailed. IT i would, SAY
i don't know the longest shot to make the team
is hard BECAUSE i think there's a realistic path for
all of. IT i really feel that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Way is it lazy to Say Kobe, MINOR i know
he was the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Last but like, SURE i guess, YEAH i mean that's
an easy. One it's a crowded. Room.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yeah Jordan, polk the corner safety From Texas state who
is THE, udfa is a similar player who is going
to push. Him so you know a lot of those late.
Picks borg is going to, be should be a starting.
Kicker ashb's obviously gonna make. Team he's a long, Snapper
Marcus bryant we just talked about with his Vers still
he's a good. Shot and then you, know fifth round
are up usually keeping those. Guys, yeah so, yeah and

(01:19:25):
THEN i think it's kind Of Kobe minor just by. Default,
yeah and and the two defensive Lineman we're gonna do
these next. Week but Like Joshua farmer And Branden swinson
to me are not typical fourth and fifth round. Picks
like those guys are have much higher upside than your
typical fourth and fifth. Rounder SO i would be absolutely
stunned if both those guys are not on the. Roster you,
know they kind of remind me a little bit more

(01:19:47):
of Like booty In Pop, Douglas like when they drafted
those guys in the sixth round and we were, like,
Well booty had the injury in, college is, right And
pop is just a small school.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Guy that's why he's zero. Stars, yeah, Right like it
just those guys felt like like more, uh you, know
sure things than your typical sixth round. PICK i feel
the same way About farmer And swinton where they were.
DRAFTED i think those guys are rotational players at the
next level in a really deep. Class So Kobe minor
is the obvious. Answer. Uh you, KNOW i think that
there's a world Where Marcus bryan's an odd man out

(01:20:17):
to probably just based off where he, was he probably be. Next,
YEAH i would say those two. Guys all, Right patty
is In. Agua what's, Up, Patty, Patty i'll give us
a call. BACK i had him on hold for a.
While give us a call, Back. Patty, uh here he.
Is eldred's In North. Carolina what's Up. Eldred, Hey so how.

Speaker 6 (01:20:40):
Y'all doing are?

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
You?

Speaker 6 (01:20:42):
QUESTION i love your prediction on wide, receivers BUT im
the old. GUY i Know pope And Baker ranks showing,
it but you don't think one of the guys Like
John giles or one of the guys to push mc
holland's off the. Roster you, KNOW i know they sound
for free, agent but you don't think they can.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Push thanks for the, Call. Elgard uh, oh go, ahead
you have another. One?

Speaker 6 (01:21:10):
NOW i had a, rant BUT i wait. Too latest
that a great, guard but guard whatever his name, Is
BUT i wait on.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
THAT i just got a.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Ring, okay, okay on On Matt. COLLINS i Think Mac
collins is. HERE i think it's a combination of you
just signed him as a free, agent he has familiarity with,
McDaniels and they need some sort of like they they
signed him in my mind to be like a character
guy in that. ROOM i like to be a, leadership

(01:21:38):
a blue guy in that. Room so even if maybe
one of these guys you know has more quote unquote
raw talent Than Matt collins, DOES i think he's gonna.
Be here's also a special teams, course special teams, Player
SO i think he's gonna be? Here what? What what's
what's your? Rent? Biggie what do you?

Speaker 8 (01:21:53):
Got?

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:21:55):
GREAT i don't like to podcast matter Effect i'm described to.
IT i don't like the way he Downrated, milton AND
i don't think it was a bad guy if did
heard it all during the, season AND i just don't
like what he said or. Whatever but it's always like
when a player go, away you grant from when you

(01:22:15):
first get, here then when he leaves or, whatever did
just what you called it The foxford, Blues AND i
just hate when you do a person like did when
you never heard from the. Beginning, NOW i don't blame,
him but trying to push for a starting. Position so
if nobody on that rock does want to push to
be the, man it shouldn't be on the. Roster besides
just taking, money it's. Faith and that's just the WAY
i feel about. Competition thanks a, lot man for hitting.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
The, rain no. Problem thanks for the, Call. ALDRED i
assume he's talking about bad reported About Joe milton being
a bad. GUY i assume that's what he's talking. About,
look you, KNOW i have no information on Whether Joe
melton was a good guy or a bad guy or
anything like. That i'll leave that To greg. Guy you,
KNOW i heard great things About Joe, milton uh when
they drafted. Him you know it was like this your

(01:23:00):
well good Guy award winner and like people are really
high on his character and you, know likable, guy fun
guy to be. Around BUT i don't have much more
to add other than. THAT i don't know what happened last.
Year it was to it Elser.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Stead, LIKE i don't Doubt Joe milton wants to be a.
STARTER i would want anybody on my team to like
really be aggressively. Pushing BUT i also think that they
may want a certain environment For Drake, may AND i
think after going Through Zappy, fever this organization may be
a little too or a little more in tune with
with that kind of. Idea but you, know you hope
it doesn't go back and bite. Him Joe, MILTON i

(01:23:34):
think would be a really good backup. QUARTERBACK i would
have had him on the depth chart ahead Of Josh.
Dobbs If Drake may gets, hurt that's going to be
a massive second.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Guess, yeah, no it's both points are. Fair the backup
quarterback is always the most popular guy in, town as they,
SAY i think he was on a losing. Team it
was was It Michael, bishop, right the quarterback years ago
that wasn't quite as alien like As Joe milton in
terms of the, trades but had a huge arm and
could get outside the pocket and really hum it and

(01:24:04):
like had similar kind of checked similar boxes in terms
of like the skill set, Right and everybody was infatuated
With bishop the same way that they have been infatuated
With Joe. Milton so there's always that. Guy there's always
that guy kicking. Around it was Obviously zappi for a few.
YEARS i understand totally clear in the decks For drake
may if that's what they. DID i don't know one

(01:24:25):
hundred percent that is what the intention, was but certainly
seems like that's what everybody believes or reading tea leaves
on it is what everything points. To BUT i we'll.
SEE i don't have any real big gripes with Trading.
MILTON i thought it was interesting that they did what

(01:24:47):
they did to get a higher draft pick by swapping
instead of just getting an outright draft pick out of.
HIM i think would be like the only thing That
i'd look at you, know maybe if you had held
on to him Like Jimmy Garoppolo Jacobe reset, style if
you developed him for another year or two and then
in like year three of the rookie, contract you traded,
Him like maybe you could have improved his value slightly

(01:25:10):
by doing. That BUT i Think Joe milton is a
really fun career. Backup LIKE i think he's gonna be
a really fun backup for some, team Maybe, Dallas BUT
i don't know if they're gonna be losing much sleep over.
Him BUT i agree With biggie in general THAT i
don't love that we would do it in all, sports
not just. Football like when a guy gets traded or

(01:25:30):
a guy leaves town all of a, sudden all you,
know all the skeletons come out about how bad of
a duty, was like we'll, see you. KNOW i don't
know how how true that is or. Isn't alex is In.
Syracuse what's, Up? Alex, hey guys hit?

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
Me?

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:25:48):
Okay? Good?

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Uh just a couple of.

Speaker 7 (01:25:50):
Questions. Uh first of, ALL i want to say first
time caller Because i'm usually working at this time when you're,
live SO i never get a. CHANCE i always catch
the show after the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Fact so happy to be able to call in appreciate.

Speaker 7 (01:26:01):
It first, Question, uh is there anybody in the free
agent classics left that you look at that you could
add as like a depth piece to help fix certain.
SPOTS i was looking and thinking like A Brandon sheriff
at guard could come in if we don't love what
you have currently for that left guard. Spot and the second,

(01:26:22):
question AND i apologize if you answered. This i've been
doing housework up and. AROUND i haven't been in front
of the show as. Much, Uh Kayshawan. Boody it sounds
Like Matt collins is here and he's probably gonna be
THE x With diggs being here and he'll probably be
YOUR Z x And pulk being a A z slot

(01:26:44):
And pop being the. Slot where do you See booty fitting?
In and what can he if he doesn't fit, in
where what do you think he could do to try
and earn a spot on the? Roster, yeah and with,
That i'll take it off off.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Here, Guys thank, you thanks, an thanks for the, calling
thanks for. Listening good. Questions we did talk a little
bit About Kashan boody, earlier so you can go ahead
and you, know hear, that BUT i think we both
feel the same way About Kishon, booty you, know being
one of the clearer pass TO x receiver probably on
the roster to play on the. Outside in terms of
the free agents that are, Available shaff's an interesting. One you,

(01:27:20):
know he's a career right. GUARD i had Circled sheriff
a little bit in free agency potentially to come in
and be like a veteran stop gap at left guard,
potentially BUT i believe he's played the majority of not
his entire career on the right, side so he'd be you,
know switching over a little. Bit but it's an interesting

(01:27:40):
question in, general just you, know who are some. Names
if there are any of guys, that let's say they
get into camp and it's just not, working you, know
it's not working out at a, spot whether it's a
veteran or it's a younger, player you, know, rookie second
year guy that they thought was going to be a.
Starter there are some. GUYS i, mean it's not a
ton of guys that are still. Available you, know there's

(01:28:01):
some name receivers Like King now And Amari cooper are
still out. There but like even for, instance like you
Know Matthew, judon right, like if you or you Know
Von miller is a free, Agent like if one of
those guys you don't feel great about edge. Depth you
know you Have Harold, andrew you have A Kalavon chase,

(01:28:21):
On Anthony, Jennings Braiden swinson's a rookie. There let's Say
Braden swinson is not the third down pass rusher, yet
like he just isn't, ready you, know could you sign
one of those veteran guys like A, miller like A,
judan like someone like that to just be a stop
gap and play the position for you know a period of,
time maybe it's even only half the, season right, like

(01:28:43):
and Then swinson's ready to contribute more down the stretch.
Run but that would be the. Spot you, Know Preston
smith's the free agent still like, that that would probably
be the smart spot THAT i would look at as
maybe a place they could ad would be pass.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Rusher, yeah edge, guy you won More julian black if
they feel Like woodson isn't giving them what they need
at that deep safety, position and Maybe marcus EPs and
he isn't fully.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Healthy blackman still out there as a free, Agent, yeah
it's a good it's a good question because normally what
happens with those guys is we'll get Into august and
like two weeks into training, camp someone will get hurt
or some team won't feel great about their depth at
a certain spot or great about their, starter you, know
at a certain, spot and then you, Know Zeke elliott
a couple of years ago get, signed, right and they

(01:29:29):
bring in, depth and they bring in some. Reinforcements so
there are a couple guys kicking around that could fit.
THAT i don't Think Stefan gilmore signed anywhere yet.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Either If i'm not, mistake he's not gonna sign till
it's gonna be like last.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Year he just doesn't want to do. Camp, yeah he
doesn't need. TO i don't blame. Him, yeah that's totally.
Fair all, Right i'm told That patty is really here this.
Time what's, Up? Patty what's?

Speaker 7 (01:29:49):
Up?

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
Guys think about that bluetooth? Malfunction all? Good SO i
got a question and another hot, take only this thought
take is going to be centralized around The, patriots not
just a general N fell hot. Take first, off, question
is it out of the realm of the possibility that
we can possibly trade for one of these maybe young

(01:30:10):
expendable tight. Ends the two Guys i'm thinking of Are
Michael mayer And cole Or cole commit and the way
too early off Season patriots hot take is are you
ready for? This Kyle williams WINS Nfl Offensive rookie of The.
Year let's. Go i'll take the.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Question not very, guys Thanks. PATTY i will SAY i
think there is A patriot who could Win Offensive rookie
of The, year but It's Trevon. Henderson it's Not Kyle.
Williams when's the last time an offensive lineman Won rookie The.
YEAR i don't think they've ever done that in my.
Time you Think Will Campbell dift have to be like, Absurd,
yeah but isn't there a world Where Trevon henderson is

(01:30:51):
there by the end of the. Season is there number
one running back and it rushes for a thousand yards
like or at least total maybe rushing in, passing and
it's not a really, strong you, know offensive draft class
Right like it's gonna Be Travis hunter if he plays
receiver full, time which it sounds like he. Will ted.
McMillan the two tight ends you Know warren And Colson, Lovelin,

(01:31:11):
like we'll have a good. Chance Colson, lovelin THOUGH i
don't know if he's gonna be healthy right out of the,
gate you, know at THE ac, joints so he might
be uh you, know start to hear on pup or something, right,
daw which will hurt his Cause i'm interested In Michael.
MAYER i. Am it's not happening because The raiders won't do. It, well,
YEAH i don't think he likes. McDaniels oh, well it
might not be his. Choice like he gets, traded he gets.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Traded, well but this coaching staff is so big on, fit,
Right so that's. Fair that was there was.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
There's some rumblings about. That, no there was a story
or he.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Gave a quote after McDaniels got fired where he didn't
mention McDaniels, specifically where he basically just said he was
much happier after McDaniels. Left he didn't name, McDaniels.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
BUT i, mean come, on that's. Fair but he. Did
McDaniels did draft.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Him so last year there were some DAYS i didn't
want to come.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
In oh, jeez McDaniels did draft. Him, yeah so there's
that he definitely fits as that prototypical why tight end
in a McDaniel's offense, sense why he drafted him when
he was In. VEGAS i still think that there's potential.
There you, KNOW i was really high on him coming
out of. COLLEGE i think most people. Were it was
kind of a, similar you, know watered down version Of

(01:32:27):
loveland Versus Tyler, warren where Like Michael mayer was the well,
rounded you, know blocking tight end that could also catch,
passes and then you Know Sam laporta Or Dalton kincaid
was like the receiving tight, end like A Colson. Lovelin
So mayor was the war end of that, draft you,
know maybe not quite as highly rated of a, prospect

(01:32:48):
but similar type of. Mold is there a world where
he takes a few years like a lot of tight ends,
do and then like year three or, four he breaks
out and has his best years ahead of.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
Them we ran through that list the tight ends the other,
week and a lot of guys who really weren't great
until they got to their second.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Team i'm not against the idea as a.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
WHOLE i Just medaniel's thing might, matter and whether it's,
comet whether it's him or Cole kmet WHO i, Like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
One neither of those teams have a ton of tight end. Depth,
yeah SO i don't know why they're Trade i've heard
them both talked. About for The.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
PATRIOTS i don't know why they're trading either. One, yeah,
LIKE i don't know what the incentive is, there and
for The, patriots so you're gonna get, like so you're
gonna have to give up something significant for a guy
that's probably gonna be a third string tight end right. Away,
yeah you, know there was a time in the off
season where it made more sense just based on the
way the off season's. GONE i don't think you need
to overextend yourself to make that kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Move, Right, like if they had not re Signed hooper
and the move completely different to trade a pick For
mayor and have him be the backup tight end, different then, yeah,
like right, now what is? It what is it gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Cost it's gonna cost a fifth round. Pick i'd probably do. That,
yeah it's gonna cost a THIRD i.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Wouldn't, Yeah so all, right let's get to some of these,
emails and THEN i do want to get to our
our math versus not math with a conversation before the
end of the show that people will have to humor
us with a little bit Of celtics talk at the
end of the. Show BUT i want to get to
a couple of emails because we have a bunch of
them coming. IN i love this email because this is

(01:34:21):
one of those. Things and you know you've been we've
been doing this together long, Enough alex to know THAT
i fall for it every single. Time at what point
can we discern whether or Not Land larison And Efton
chism or Where Jacobi MYERS i Guess Jacoby myers or
LIKE i don't, Know Danny wood hit or whatever he
didn't put a running, back Or Ralph web or TJ,

(01:34:42):
Mo like, basically at what point do we know it's
real With chisholm and With Land. Larison the one thing
THAT i promise everybody is that If Efton chism goes
out and has a great spring with no pads and
no contact and he's just jitterbugging all around the field
and nobody can touch him because you're not allowed to
and he has a huge, SPRING i promise YOU i

(01:35:03):
will pump the brakes AND i won't go. Gas you,
know pedal to the medal on it Because i've seen
that movie. Before i'm really going to have to, see
especially in the case Of chisholm, specifically because running back
you can't you can't grade running back till the preseason,
Anyways like there's no, pads there's no tackling to the.
Ground that one is really like you can't really tell

(01:35:27):
with a running back UNTIL i would say probably the preseason.
Games like you have to watch him play in games
to really see what he's going to bring to the.
Table but with Efton, Chisholm i'm not getting excited or
any other way About ft And chishlm UNTIL i see
him do it in a fully padded. Practice who was
the wide receiver he gave With Ralph? WEBB Tj Mo

(01:35:49):
austin cars right, THERE i hear. You i'm working with the.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Email so here's WHERE i think it, Is Like Jacoby
meyers So Ralph, webb, right, yeah super fun. Preseason but
he was coming in in the fourth quarter and they
were just handing the ball off on every. Play, yeah
like he wasn't really playing against. Anybody there really was
anything drawn? Up was we need this clock to? Run Jacoby,

(01:36:15):
myers IF i remember, correctly played almost start.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
To finish in all of those preseason.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
Games like he was on the, field maybe not against,
starters but against like LEGITIMATE nfl, backups like guys who
were going to make the.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Team so that's the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
DIFFERENTIATOR i don't know that there's one moment where it's
like yes or. No Because rodley mccharran made the team
look good in the, preseason made the team was not.
Ready there's another name you can throw out.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
There but.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
IF i remember, again IF i remember correctly on one
hundred percent show THAT i, do And i'll try to find.
It but Like riley McCarran was just kind of In,
austin car were just kind of playing in the fourth
quarter of these. Games they weren't really out there for a.
Bulk Whereas Jacoby myers was out. THERE i don't think
he was catching passes From, brady but he was out

(01:37:00):
there with guys who are gonna make the team against
guys who.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Are gonna Make, yeah that's always a good. Tell that's a. Differentiator,
Yeah so it's always a good tell of who's he
running with right and maybe won't be with the starting
quarterback right. Away but If Efton chisholm In august finds
himself in a group With Kendrick bourne And Jalen polk
And Jay Von, baker and that Grew Kesehan boodie in
the group we were talking about, earlier and ft And

(01:37:25):
chisholm is getting reps over one of those guys or
two of those. Guys that's when you know it's starting
to get real right. Now if he's running with the
threes all summer, long then they're not seeing. It they're
not seeing that he's that he's in that group. Yet
But i'm gonna have to really, LIKE i might not
even believe it With Kyle williams UNTIL i see him
might do it in like regular season games at this,

(01:37:45):
point because even though it wasn't eye, popping Like Jalen
polk had a solid rookie training, camp, like it wasn't
LIKE i, said it wasn't eye. Popping it wasn't, like
oh my, god this guy's a difference. Maker he moves.
Differently you, know this is. Incredible but If Kyle williams
goes out there next week or the week after whenever
we have our FIRST ota and he's like tearing it

(01:38:07):
up in spring. Practices I'm i'm gonna be cautious about.
THAT i am So.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
Jacoby meyers his rookie preseason where to? Go it just
had it played like fifty played forty four fifty, three
sixty and fifty one. Snaps, yeah played a toime over
those four, games, right played played a lot so for,
comparison doesn't go far enough back for me for TJ.
Mo But Austin carr the last two games it started

(01:38:37):
to drop. Off he played a lot, early but not as,
much especially in that third. Game he only played twenty
nine snaps in that third, game which was when the starter's. Played,
yeah so that's what it's gonna come down, To, like
it's it who is he doing it? Against that's what holds.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Weight so on these same, lines next question here From
Christian he asks over under three udfas to make the
fifty three man. Roster so three is the. NUMBER i
think it's gonna be. THREE i think it's gonna be exactly.
THREE i think it's gonna Be chisholm Lamp. Lampey i'll
say over because Maybe Elijah ponder, Either Jack connelly sneak, On,

(01:39:13):
YEAH i, KNOW i keep saying we're gonna do defense next.
Week but we're gonna do defense next. Week AND i
Think Elijah ponder's got a real shot. Too, yeah you,
know right now at, EDGE i Got Landry Chase, On
Jennings Swinson ponder like that's only five guys and run
through it, Again Landry, Chaison, Jennings, Winson, Ponder chase on

(01:39:37):
what about are you not counting hit? Player no defensive? Line? Okay,
Yeah so looking at it that, way you, know especially fit,
wise like, schematically you, know is he a better Fit
ponder Than Anthony jennings for like the style of play
that they want to, play you know up the? Field you,
know guy that's got speed off the edge like he

(01:39:59):
to me if it's way you, know he's way more
in The Landry chase On swinson mold Than Anthony jennings.
Is SO i think that there's a real chance For
ponder as. Well So i'm Gonna i'm gonna say. PUSH
i think push is the right. Answer but it's a
good for the sake of facilitation in the. Conversation i'll
Say i'll take the over on. Three all, right let's,
UH i have four on.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
Rate so AGAIN i do that thing where LIKE i
put all those guys, ON i have it down to
six fifty six players right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Now that's with five u. DFAs, yeah that's. Fair all.
Right this is a good, question probably a better question
for For fred And paul because they know the history
a little bit better than. Me but would the team
ever consider unretiring Some jersey? Numbers, PERSONALLY i think only
twelve and seventy three should be.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
Retired, well fifty six, too which isn't technically, retired they
just haven't given it back. Out they should retire formally retire.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
Fifteen so seventy three Is John Hannah for people that don't,
Know i'm ninety Six Andre. Tippet fifty six is Tipp.
It SO i was talking about this the other DAY
u or, yesterday and we didn't get to talk a
ton about. It But i've been Watching Celtic. CITY i
Think i'm seven episodes In Larry bird just, retired WHICH
i thought was. Cool just side, note Like Brady knight
was Basically Larry Bird. Night, yeah just bigger. People people

(01:41:15):
had said, That yeah it. Was it was the, Inspiration, yeah,
Certainly and you Know Magic johnson being With, Bird peyton
being With. Brady it was. Definitely it was funny Because
i've been Watching Celtic city With jess Because i'm such
a Big celtics. Fan she's trying to get to know
the history of the team a little bit better and
uh and she, said, oh it's just Like Brady. KNIGHT
i was, like, yeah like it literally is just Like Brady.

(01:41:37):
Knight side. Note, uh BUT i think that there's a
really would be a really cool AND i get the
history of The patriots is not as interesting as the
history of The patriots or The celtics is not as you,
know is way more interesting than The patriots. History, uh
but you, know just based off the, winning but people
our age and, younger Like John, hannah you, know you,

(01:42:00):
Know Bruce, Armstrong Ben, Coates Jenny, Cappelletti Comandre, Tippett Stanley,
Morgan Russ. Francis who's the freaking corner THAT i can't
believe On Mike, haynes did you Say Sam Bam cunning,
Here Sam bam like all these. NAMES i don't think
that at like it's not talked about because there didn't

(01:42:23):
win at the level of A russell or A bird
or A Hale check or something like, that so it's
not the brew it's not The celtics. History but, like
isn't there wouldn't it be cool to have like a
doc Like Celtic city that like went from like nineteen
sixty on and gave some flowers to like some of these,
people because we're talking about The Patriots hall Of, fame
and you, Know Adam viniti got a question in here

(01:42:44):
kind of a comment in the emails as well about
How vinitary wasn't a Career patriot and he went to
The colts and you, know he played more years for
The colts than he did with The. Patriots AND i
just think that there's a, real like A Celtic Cities
city style documentary which really goes through the history of
The patriots and some of their great players that, know

(01:43:06):
they weren't on dynasty teams and it wasn't that, Great
BUT i think it would be.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
COOL i mean a lot of, people Maybe i'm coming
across as is too much of a kid. Here aren't
the nineteen seventy six or for a, while maybe this
has changed in the last like ten fifteen. Years, yeah
weren't the nineteen seventy Six patriots considered for a while
one of the better teams to not make A Super.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
Bowl, yeah and That's, dallas you, know seventy, six eighty, five,
yeah ninety six are like those were the three best
teams In patriot history until The.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Dynasty one of those teams in the SIXTIES i think
is up there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Too but, yeah, yeah and like the team in seventy
six is absolutely, loaded like with Like hall of, Famers, yeah,
NO i have it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
Here Steve grogan was the. Quarterback you Have Sam, cunningham,
Yea Marlon, Brisco Darryl, Stingley Russ francis at tight end
your offensive, Line Pete, Brock Leon, Gray John. Hannah, like, dude, people,
REALLY i don't think you Said Julius, Addles Joyce adams
before he has a case to be in The hall Of.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Fame We Ray.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Hamilton, yeah like they're gonna have any other great linebackers
Then Tim, fox.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Younger, people AND i include, Myself Like i'm not saying
this to like back in my, day like, no like
Like Leon gray was, Awesome Like Leon gray was a
really good. Player yeah you know like that that's a
really good. Player he.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
Was actually if you go back and, watch BECAUSE i
think the full video Of John Hannah's Patriots hall Of
fame speed Or, no it was when they Put Leon gray. In,
yeah And John hannah he since passed. Away John hannah
gave a really awesome speech About Leon.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Gray was it dear bledsoe got in no with With Gil. Santos, Yeah,
no this. Was this was like Maybe vince or Or
rodney two thousand whatever was if you want to hear
some awesome stories about the old School, Patriots John hannah
had some great stories about him And Leon. Gray on the.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
Retiring number thing, Though SO i don't think you should
unertur numbers because it's not fairly.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
Guys these numbers are.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
Retired also for what it's worth just objectively, aesthetically we're
not missing out on that many great.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
Numbers twenty is a good.

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
Number but it's, gino Mister, patriot not touching. That like
it's Like Johnny, pesky you're really missing seventy, Nine no
offense to Jim Ley. Hunt, no you really missing seeing
seventy nine out.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
There. No what they should do is they should retire fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Six ye stop retiring numbers after fifty six and do
some sort of ring of. Honor AND i guess that's
what The Patriots hall Of fame. Is but there should
be something in, this something in that maybe you put
a banner with all the names on it or something
something in the stadium that represents.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
It is really, cool and there's multiple stadiums that are like,
this but you, know going to some of the historic
like going To lambeau and seeing all those names Of Curly,
lamba you, know like all the way across the, stadium
like in the, ring like Literally ring Of honor Across
lambeau like. THAT i, mean the, History like that's really.
Cool Like i'm not a big history, guy but it

(01:45:56):
was still really cool to see. That SO I I i.
Agree you can't unretire the. Numbers that's not. Fair you.
Know there's a lot of talk about numbers and retiring
numbers and unretiring Because Abdul carter asked for fifty six
From Lawrence, taylor which good For Lawrence, Taylor like, yeah
like go get your own, number, Dude like, No I'm Lawrence.

(01:46:17):
Taylor uh, no good for. HIM i feel the same
way about like The patriots retired, numbers you, know Because
i've seen a lot of people like why do you
retire numbers to begin, with, nobody AND i mean nobody
is wearing twelve for The New England patriots never, Again
like are you kidding? Me like obviously not like you're
not doing. That LIKE i personally would probably, retire would

(01:46:40):
think about retiring eighty seven as. Well that's the greatest
tight end of all.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
Time SO i Have by the, Way Leon gray got
in With Rodney, harrison which.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
Is, YEAH i figured it was around.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
There so, LIKE i think the purpose of retired number
one once you were, tire once you reissue in numbers too,
late it clearly wasn't important. Enough, Yeah so like when
when the eighty, seven when The.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Red sox.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
Retired Wade boggs, number Brock holt had to stop wearing.
It to, me it's about the mental association of that
number in that, font in those colors means something, like
it's one of the stupidest things in sports that The
Miami heat Have Michael jordan's number, retired, Right Jackie robinson's
another thing that fine retiring the number of players who

(01:47:22):
didn't play for your, team to me is dumb because
the idea is like when you see AND i see
they have different, uniforms now so it doesn't happen as
much in. Games like in, Practice i'll be out there
And i'll see thirty seven if it's a defensive, player
if it's in, blue and like everyone so, on a
little thing in the back my head Goes Ronnie. Harrison,
yeah Because i'm thinking about the practice footage on The
Super bowl DVDs and on you, KNOW nfl films Of

(01:47:45):
Rodney harrison in the blue thirty seven or it. Had it,
happens especially when the number hasn't been worn by another prominent, player,
Right it'll also happen with guys like more recently twenty.
Eight still See James, white like the thing in the
back of my. Head SO i think that's what retired
numbers are. About that you have a certain snociation with
that number in those colors and those font that like
you shouldn't be looking at that like.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
That it means.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
Something that visual image means. Something so you're moving on
from that should be. Rare BUT i do think there's
a point to. It but like with, FOOTBALL i get
it's different because there's so many it's hard on the.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
ROSTER i think the other thing THAT i would like
more in pro, football, yeah is one of the few
THINGS i like about college football wich IS i love
that certain numbers mean something in college football that is very,
Cool like seven AT. Lsu eighteen AT lsu is another
one that means something LIKE i love that those that
they have, That and like with The, PATRIOTS i think it's,
like obviously twelve is OFF, limcaf no one's ever gonna

(01:48:38):
work twelve, again but it's right there with certain, numbers
like twenty four is your top, Corner, yeah fifty four
is your top. Linebacker, yeah Although Brian waters did it,
proud but, yes, yeah but, like, uh you, know maybe
eighty or eighty one is the receiver. Number, Yeah Randy
moss wore eighty, one sixty sixty at, Center, yeah sixty at.
Center you, know eighty seven at tight end is like

(01:48:58):
your number one tight. End i'm all for like guys
like having you, know the freedom depict their numbers. Too
BUT i just feel like that's kind of. Cool and
that's how the whole.

Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
Concept Of jersey numbers. Started, Yeah, yankees it was their batting,
war right. Right SO i would love the idea of
AN nfl team being, like all, right like you're in this,
role you get this number.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
And like would it be? Kind and, look he wanted
to pick, zero that's totally his, decision but, like wouldn't
it have been? Cool and maybe it's just cool Because
i'm a person that creates, content so it would be
cool for the. Content but if Like tylaw and Like
Stefan gilmour And Drell reevis like came out and like
Gave Christian gonzalez twenty four and we're, like you know
your next, kid, right like maybe like fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
Six it's like The Star. Pass it's, cool like it's franchise.
History so this is something THAT i don't think this
would work in THE. Nfl michigan did. This they don't
do it, anymore but they. Did instead of retiring, numbers
if you wear that, number there was a patch on
the jersey yah that had two or three one two
or three.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Names depending on the history the number that like wrecking.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
NICE i Remember Devin garder wearing ninety eight was super
weird For, michigan but he had some connection or something
to one of the guys that would warn, it and
so he had there's a patch on the jersey that
said the guy's name on.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
It like that was really.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
COOL i don't think that would work in THE nfl
because the league wants everything to be so uniform right
within the, uniforms so they're not going to have. That but,
LIKE i, know just JUST i, THOUGHT i just love
that about. COLLEGE i think that it's like it's really.
Cool you, know obviously they're but it's like an.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Honor and then there's like it's really cool when you
look at the history of like you, know all the
players AT lsu that wore with, seven, right that With,
campbell like all the players that wore, that Like Patrick
peterson and like these superstar players that have come THROUGH.
Lsu like it's just a cool element to the whole.
Thing and like you hand it, down it's like a big.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
THING a lot of, schools like you have to earn
a single digit. Number you can't wear a single digit
number right, away. Right Uh, no it's it's it's a
really cool it's it's a really cool. THING i don't
think it would work in THE nfl because the other
part of it is you have this roster turnover a
reason every four years you have a whole new. Rosters
you can continue to give it. Out it kind of changes.

(01:51:06):
Things BUT i do like the, idea, like all, right,
sixty that's your starting. Center, yeah you, know all, right
eighty seven is the starting tight. End twenty four is the, corner, right,
YEAH i, DO i do like.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
That, yeah all, right let's Take mark's call and then
but they should retire fifty. Six it's out of. Circulation
it is out of. Circulat but, WELL i Think andre
deserves The. YEAH i don't know what the story is
there because the works for the, organization and like it's
out of. CIRCULATION i don't know if it's. Beneficial mark
is In. Connecticut what's, Up?

Speaker 4 (01:51:35):
Mark, hey, Guys always appreciate you guys taking my, Call
love you, guys of, course just a quick. Thing evan our,
GUY C.

Speaker 7 (01:51:42):
J debray loved this.

Speaker 4 (01:51:44):
Kid apparently he had like five or six other offers
drafted free agent offers from other, teams and supposedly the
reason why he came here was because he Wanted Mike
rabel to coach, him and that is. Huge so thinking about,
that it's almost like The Tom brady days are, back
when players are going to now want to start coming

(01:52:04):
here because you, know it used to be because Of Tom.
Brady now hopefully players are gonna want to come here
because Of Mike. Brabel and then the other take was
The celtics then they really need to lay the hammer
down and just stop chucking up threes and just really
get that killer instinct and just drive the hoop when
you've got players in foul, trouble you, know just keep
driving the.

Speaker 6 (01:52:24):
Hoop you.

Speaker 7 (01:52:25):
Know that's my take on.

Speaker 4 (01:52:26):
Everything love you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Guys, Thanks, Mark thanks Said dupre signed here because Of.
Rabel he, said oh, yeah, yeah, YEAH i mean multiple.
Overage it's a little you.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Know ONE udfa is a little bit away from saying
like to Draw Tom, brady but it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Design. Yeah now there's multiple guys though in free agency
too That i've spoken about. That mark, segued it's the
last five minutes of the show In may you guys
can stomach Some celtics top BUT i want to this
is actually LIKE i want to make this about football,
though because what's going the conversation around The celtics and
people that aren't basketball. Fans The celtics shot sixty three
pointers In game one against The, knicks which they, lost

(01:52:59):
instead OF nba record with forty five missed three, pointers
so basically they historically they were historically bad from three
On monday, night and they just kept. Chucking they kept
on chucking. Threes And alex AND i for the last
two days in our texts have literally not stopped arguing
about this Because i'm A Celtics green. TEAMER i couldn't

(01:53:20):
cut me.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
Open, apparently blowing a twenty point lead to a team
From New, york an inferior team From New, york is
now considered.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
Acceptable, NO i didn't say that because they got one,
ring so to KNOW i can do. It SO i
think it's interesting, though because this kind of goes back
to Our Ben Johnson Mike rabel. Debate it's literally just
The Ben johnson my.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
Friend it's literally the Same Kyle shanahan.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Debate it's the same you use The Kyle shanahan, line, which,
like you, know you got from me kind, Of but
that's all, RIGHT i got we were texting about, it
and he got there together and then he had to
we we got there, together and then you had to
take a shot At Kyle. Shanahan it works tax thing

(01:54:00):
About rory kind. Of so here's the thing though about
this with. Football you, know basically your, ARGUMENT i think
is that like the nerds in football just want to
throw the ball all the time and and you know,
whatever being sort of be, aggressive go for it all the.
Time and the three point the volatility is similar to
the three. Points, well it's just, look so do The.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
Celtics here's WHERE i Think i'm different from the what
you're hearing yelled. At you do The celtics in a
bubble philosophically shoot too many three.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Pointers, Overall it's probably a little more Than i'd, like
but like they're good at. It it's what they're built.
FOR i don't think night in and night, out The
celtics shoot too many.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Threes my bigger issue is there are going to and
this is this goes back to shanahanting they are going
to be some knights or certain situations where it no
longer makes sense to shoot. Threes and the math, coaches
whether it be in, football whether it be in, basketball
certainly happens a lot. Baseball, yeah refuse to adjust from

(01:55:02):
their strategy because the spreadsheet tells them this is what
you need to do to win the. Game the spreadsheet
was created before the, game not when you're up twenty
points in the third quarter or two touchdowns in the
fourth quarter of The Super, bowl but they continue to
go bombs away when, really all you gotta do with
this big lead is just run out the. Clock and
it's maybe not mathematically, sexy but it's how you're gonna

(01:55:25):
win the. Game Miami, football give you another, One like
when they refuse to take that knee last. Year, yeah,
right because they wanted to add rushing yards or, whatever and.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
They fumbled And Georgia tech won the. Game, like at
a certain, point just win the.

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
Game don't worry about the box, score don't worry about
your YOUR epa or. Whatever it is a, basketball expected
shots something.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
Whatever, yeah just two, different very different. Things just grind
it out and win the. Game that's my big.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
Problem SO i think, That and so just to, Finished,
yeah The celtics are good enough that they can win multiple.
Weights that's what makes them a great. Team it's not
as easy Without porzingis on the. FLOOR i wonder if
it plays out differently With porzingis In game one if
he had been.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
Healthy but like they did. It this is what makes
it so.

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
Frustrating they did it against The MAGIC i saw them
do it last year against the The.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
Mavericks the just. Insistency it almost.

Speaker 1 (01:56:13):
Took me back To game one of the, season which they,
won but what they missed the last nineteen three pointers
trying to break the.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
Record just go to the. Paint you can do. It
you have the ability to do.

Speaker 1 (01:56:22):
It Jalen brown's at his best when he just puts
his shoulder into a defender and. Goes You Carl Anthony
towns on what four or five fouls hunt him on the.
Floor but, No Kyle shanahan has to Have Jimmy garoppolo
throw the ball deep in the fourth quarter of The
Super bowl up two, scores because that's what the math.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
Said Catching strat's what killed. Me, Okay SO i would
say that for me, personally you, KNOW i HEAR i
lean more towards math than than your side of the.
Street But Joe mizzoula takes it even a little bit
further THAN i would, like, because first of, ALL i
think the biggest thing With missoula, is you, Know i'm

(01:56:56):
a big subscriber in football to you pass the. Score
you run to, win, Right so you pass to get
to get the, lead and you once you get the,
lead that's when possession and and clock and all that
kind of stuff starts to come into, play especially in
the fourth quarter of. Games, now it's Not Super, bowl
it's not exactly apples to apples with basketball and. Football
it's not the same sport where like in football you

(01:57:18):
could literally possess the ball for ten straight, Minutes, like
you can't do, that RIGHT u in. Basketball but it's
similar in the sense that if you have a twenty
point lead in the third, quarter, like you don't need
to win by, forty, Right so just trade blows with
them for the next fifteen minutes and roll off into the,
sunset and you're you're a squeaky. Coin you won the.

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
Game even if you're trade here's a math for. You
you're up, twenty, right even if you're trading threes for.

Speaker 2 (01:57:44):
Twos, yeah what does that take?

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
Eleven, no that's gonna take twenty one, baskets twenty one
possessions right for them to just tie the.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
Game and NOW i think that the In Joe's slight,
DEFENSE i think the analytics people that the the questions
that they bring up are, okay, well like we just
go into like the four corners, offense, right, like and
we just you, know eat clock and take this. Shot
clock all the way down and that's like throwing us
off the rhythm of our typical, game, Right.

Speaker 1 (01:58:14):
But it's not just but they Didn't this is my.
Point they didn't have the rhythm like it was clear
they were. Cold and this is what the math doesn't.
Have it's the human element of these guys don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:58:24):
It.

Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
Tonight they were really good pick and roll. Team The
knicks were sitting on the three for most of that.
Game run a pick and, roll get a.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
Layup so now the bigger the bigger thing though for
the nerds is that they look at it over the
course of a seven game, series, right so they, say
what are the odds that we're gonna shoot twenty seven
percent from three over the course of seven full. Games
we might it might happen to us once like it
did the other, night and we might lose a, game
but the odds are more in our favor that four

(01:58:53):
times out of seven we're gonna shoot it well enough
to win the.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
Game, okay when you're when you're up twenty and you've
missed what, five, six, seven isn't there something to be
said for you, KNOW i know it's a, cliche but
it's talked about for a. Reason you gotta see one
go in get to the. Rim either draw, fouls you
get free, throws or get a. Layup and Like i'm
not saying they couldn't shoot another.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
Three for the rest of the. Night can't you just
get one layup just to kind of flip the. Momentum,
yeah SO i agree with like you on more than
you probably, think BECAUSE i do agree with you that
all these nerd, coaches WHO i, love by the, way
but this is this is WHAT i, say BUT i
think it was the open of the show the other.

Speaker 1 (01:59:30):
Week, yeah you love them until they do something that's
dumb because of the, math and then you disown.

Speaker 2 (01:59:34):
Them all these nerd coaches are are just allergic to
the run to win, aspect, right like they're allergic to
we built a twenty point lead with five minutes ago
in the third. Quarter now we don't need to build
a lead. Anymore we just need to maintain the. Lead
and that should change the way you play.

Speaker 1 (01:59:53):
Adjustments it's All i'm asking and they don't ask you
For and let me be, CLEAR i still think The
celtic's gonna win the.

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
Title, yeah so this is more just so that's the
caveat for everybody, Though it's, like, WELL i still think
they're gonna, win but, right they're gonna. Win the game Is.
Boston this Is.

Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
Boston IF i can't be annoyed blowing a twenty point
lead to a team From New, york what even are we? Anymore,
okay so last thing on, this then we have to
go my bigger gripe With Joe mizula in this, game
BECAUSE i. WON'T i refuse to get on the math
thing LIKE i refuse to do. It so my biggest
gripe was On Joe mizula in this. GAME i thought
that his substitution patterns. Stunk AND i also thought that you,

(02:00:27):
know his ato's and end a game handling stunk as.
Well but the substitution, PATTERNS i don't feel like this
is being talked about a. Ton SO i Thought pritchard
actually had to go in a little. Bit in game,
ONE i had twelve.

Speaker 2 (02:00:40):
POINTS i think in like twenty three, minutes and then
they can't buy a bucket in the fourth, quarter and
they they can't find like a two or three minute
stretch to see If pritcher can provide a, spark like
he's the same original player can't make. It he's a
sixth man of The, year, right like, literally Like i'm
not asking for him to. Close LIKE i understand why
you close With Holiday white The jays and Now, horford
like that's your close and. FIVE i get. It but

(02:01:02):
like with six minutes ago in the fourth quarter and
The knicks now have tied the, game and you haven't
scored a basket five on, five you, know not from
the free throw line or whatever in like ten, Minutes
like don't you think that the like the literal microwave
off the bench that you have sitting there might come
in and hit some seven in a.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
Row so the math tells us that the number has
to regress back or progress back to the. Means so
so that's let these guys keep chucking because eventually they'll
hit one because you, know, mentally it's not changing them at.

Speaker 2 (02:01:28):
All having this thing that bothered. Me, No, No pritchard
late bothered. ME i thought that he could provide a,
spark and then The houser minutes were just like out
of nowhere and just.

Speaker 1 (02:01:36):
TERRIBLE i think that LOSING i Think porzingis was supposed
to play a big role in the, series and losing him.

Speaker 2 (02:01:42):
Through everythingzings they Lost porzingis. Early, no you still to
be able to, adjust you still so, yeah but as
a bench, player and this is in any, sport but
like especially in, basketball Like Sam hauser didn't, play, yeah
for the first half of the, game and then with
five minutes ago in the third, quarter with The knicks
making a, comeback they just threw him into the. Game,

(02:02:04):
YEAH i.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
DON'T i, AGAIN i think Port zinglis was supposed to
play more, minutes and Then cornett hasn't been playing well
and there so he was just the next. Guy rotation got, messed,
right you, know should they have gone To? Caada should
they have gone To Xavier.

Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
Tillman BUT i Just housers like a rhythm. Shooter all
of a, sudden he has a couple of wide open
threes that he, bricks, right he normally makes if you
had gotten him like a little bit of run in
the first half and he's into the, game he's had.
It like those were big, shots like wide open threes
that he typically makes that were big shots in the.
Game and he was cold coming off the, Bench, like,

(02:02:36):
yeah everybody was, cold but this they. Did they didn't
just to being. Cold that was story of the.

Speaker 1 (02:02:39):
Night but the thing that bothered me the most that
didn't relate to The, math although kind of relate to The.
Math they were doing a really good job running those
foul tolls. Up and again they Had Karl Anthony towns
what four or five, thousand third quarter very, early and
they should have been hunting him more and they. Didn't
and some of that is because they wanted the. Threes but,
like get the switch and the nick to the next.
Credit they were good at playing off the switch and

(02:03:00):
making Sure towns wasn't. Exposed but like take advantage of,
that get your, mismatches but Get Jalen brown Or Jason
tatum on A Karl Anthony towns on the, switch go
to the. Basket he's either gonna have to leave you
alone he can easy lay, up or he's gonna value
and you're gonna take one of their best players out
of the.

Speaker 2 (02:03:14):
Game all, Right, well thanks for humoring us With celtics.
Talk but there's definitely some parallels there with The celtics
conversation right now with The math and the nerds and
your Boy fellger yelling it's a human, Game, like no,
KIDDING i understand there's not cgi athletes running. Around it's.
Mental you miss so many shots in a, row it's.
Mental you have to get. It get they're, humans they're

(02:03:36):
not they're not.

Speaker 1 (02:03:37):
Robot, WELL i like our looks doesn't mean anything when
guys are in their head about.

Speaker 2 (02:03:41):
It, well they normally make those. Shots they, did but they. Weren't,
okay well they it's not it's because they may will
take the same shots they took On monday night and
they'll make.

Speaker 1 (02:03:49):
THEM i hope they don't shoot a three for like
ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:03:52):
Tonight, well that would worry me because then they then
they're listening to You bozo's too much at the sports
ub over.

Speaker 1 (02:03:57):
There all, Right No joe's gonna come out of him
shoot twenty threes in a.

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
Row all. Right, well we'll be back next. Week hopefully
this all this will be in better shape than they
are right now in terms of the. Series but we'll
be back next. Week Rookie mini. Caamp hopefully this weekend
we'll get a look in on, that so we'll talk about.
That we'll do our, roster we, said on the defensive
side of the, ball and as always we'll take your
calls and, Emails so thanks very. Much for, listening for,
watching for, commenting and we'll see you guys next. Week,

(02:04:27):
hey this Is. Fred thanks for tuning into the.

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