Patriots Catch-22 7/2: Latest NFL News, Trade Candidates, Best Available Free Agents

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Lazar and Alex Bars and Lazar, Hello, everybody nailed it?
Joined us always by our Bara. Here is Evan Lazar
and Alex Bars. So starting with the defensive line. We
always joke about this.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
You get into the weeds of what's a defensive lineman?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
What's an edge defender? Do you even like the terror
manage defender? And now you hate it?

Speaker 4 (00:38):
I know who did this year? Madden put it in
the game.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I figured since Mad, since Madden put it into.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
The game, I need that.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Why not because I've been telling you it exists for
like five years, But now that it's in Madden, it's
finally on your roster.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
No, I'll tell you honestly why I did it. And
this is how I've always felt about edge. I think
where edge is when you go through the draft. There
are guys that, depending on what team drafts them and
what system they'll be playing in, do you have to
call them an edge because you don't know?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
The thing that always bugged me is once they're on
a team, you know what position they're playing because you
can put them in that system. So it makes it
a little clearer. But we don't exactly know how this
Rabel system is going to use certain guys, so this
might be a one year thing for me. I might
go back next year when we have a better look
at this defense, but for the time being, it can

(01:29):
go either way, so I have use it this year.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Hello everybody, And.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I love our semantics, arguments about positions, about metrics, you know,
about analytics, all that kind of stuff. But edge versus
outside linebacker for us is as og as it gets.
That's that goes back to when we started working with
each other, that we were disputing those two terms. Anyways,
Evan Lazarre, Alex Bart with you guys for the next

(01:59):
couple of hours here we are live today, but I
want to tell everybody what's going on here for the
next couple of weeks because yours truly is getting hitched,
getting married, finally happening, very excited about it. So I
am off for the next couple of weeks to get married,
and that we're going on a honeymoon to Martha's Vineyard

(02:20):
for the week, which is our spot.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
So I'm very much looking forward to that gratulation.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Thank you, thank you, and so that we're not gonna
have a live show the next two weeks after today,
but we do have something for you because I couldn't
leave you guys hanging completely, And of course my brain
is worried about filling you know, Catch twenty two and
doing Patriots podcast when I'm getting married, which is totally normal,

(02:46):
but that's gonna happen. We're taping that ahead of time,
and then we're still gonna give you guys a show
next Wednesday, it just won't be live like it is today.
So when you see it on YouTube or wherever you
get your podcast, don't call in, don't email in, because
we're not actually live on the air during that show
next week. But we're you're only gonna miss us for

(03:07):
one week, so I feel like that's that's a good thing.
But today's show, we are going to talk about some
of the latest NFL news. Not a ton going on
in patriot Land right now. Frankly, nothing going on in
patriot Land right now. It's completely quiet for the Patriots.
But NFL trade went on obviously earlier this week with
the Dolphins and the Steelers.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
I use trades. There is another one yesterday.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
There was another one yesterday. Yeah, would I miss it.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, and I text you about it.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Darren Waller, Oh, Darren Waller, Okay, yeah connected, Yep.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Dolphins made trades on back to back I would love well.
I guess it's technically not back to back days in July.
I would love to know the last team time a
team made back to back trades in like June July.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's a good question.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
So we're gonna talk about the We're gonna talk about
some of the more the best available free agents, best
available trade candidates, things like that. I just kind of
talk about some of these names because we try to
break down the Patriots as much as we can, and
I think at this point, after doing our roster projections
over the last couple of weeks, Alex, we've kind of

(04:09):
beaten those storylines to death. I don't think there's really
much else for us to talk about with the current
ninety man roster. So I want to talk about some
names that are in the news, that are being floated
in trade rumors and all that good stuff. So that's
going to be the show today, and then of course
your calls and your emails at eight five five Pats
five hundred and at Patriots. I always forget what the

(04:33):
email is nowadays. Podcasts at Patriots dot com is your
email address. But just to start, I do want to
talk about this Dolphins Steelers trade, not the Darren Waller trade,
but we can get to that. The Dolphins Steelers trade
is Patriots adjacent.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
It's an AFC's team into Miami Dolphins, of course, but
also the Steelers are on the Patriots schedule. The Patriots
play the Steelers in Week three of the regular season
in September, so it's two opponents that they're gonna see
this year. The Dolphins get back to that good point
in the Dolphins of course twice. So this is three
of the seventeen games on the Patriots calendar is affected

(05:10):
by this trade. And I said this yesterday on PU
and I want to say it again because if you
are a Dolphins fan listening to the show, I don't
know why you would be, but if you were a
Dolphins fan listening to our show, you would say, the
team that's won eight games back to back years, you're
telling us that our team is making bad moves, Like,
maybe worry about your own house before you start pointing fingers.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
At everybody else.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
But I Besides that point, I really am perplexed by
what the Miami Dolphins are are trying to do. They're
kind of operating to me like a team who's brass
or their head coach and their general manager has job security,
when all of the narratives and all of the reporting

(05:55):
out of Miami is the exact opposite that. Mike McDaniel
and Ri Career, their general manager, are basically as on
the hot seat as the hot seat can get hot.
And Mike McDaniel's like the betting favorite right now to
be the first coach fired in a lot of places,
and yet they're trading away to really productive players for
them and Jalen Ramsey and Johnny Smith, and I understand

(06:18):
there were contract issues and turmoil there with those two
players in terms of their future with the team, but
they get back for it. Mika Fitzpatrick, who towards the
end of last season was starting to look like he
might have lost a step. He could be on washwatch
as we move forward here with Minka, who is a
player we both really like in his prime, but I'm

(06:38):
not sure he's there anymore. And when you look at
this Dolphins roster, I think there's a case that the
Patriots roster might be better than the one in Miami.
Miami certainly has the star power with Hill and Waddle
and Tua, but.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
It's not much behind that.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
There's not much behind that.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
There's not much on the line of scrimmage offensively, especially,
and now they're a secondary without Jalen Ramsey. Their cornerback
room particular looks pretty rough. So what were your general
thoughts on this trade? Because it was kind of a
it was a cool trade. It was an NBA MLB
style trade with players for players. Really, the draft picks
were kind of throw ins in this trade. They're twenty

(07:13):
twenty seven draft picks.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Uh, I mean, I was surprised. I don't unless maybe
the Steelers were having some contract issues with Mika Fitzpatrick,
which I know when we were texting, you would suggest
it might be a thing, But I haven't seen any
reporting on that. Isn't Jalen Ramsey just kind of an
older Minka Fitzpatrick. Now, there'd been some reporting leading up

(07:36):
to this that, separate of Mina Fitzpatrick and Jalen Ramsey,
the Steelers had really wanted to get John new Smith
because Arthur Arthur Smith. They want john Smith downgrading for MIKEA.
Fitzpatrick to Jalen Ramsey just to get yourself John Smith
and John Smith is not the player. He wasn't doing that.
He's better player than that. The Dolphins figured him out
last year all that, he's still not worth that. So

(07:58):
it just I don't really get it from either side. Right,
if you're the Dolphins, you move two good players, and
if you're the Steelers, you just get worse. So I
don't Yeah, it didn't make I guess if you're the Dolphins,
ultimately you get Minka Fitzpatrick, who I think is a
top ten defensive player in football. They have bigger holes
than that. I didn't get it from the Steelers really

(08:19):
unless they really really really wanted Johnny Smith. You look
at their tight end room. Their tight end room kind
of set with Pat at Friarmouth, Darnell Washington, who we
both like, good blocker, feels a look like a hat
on a hat.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Well, I guess we disagree maybe a little bit on
Ramsey versus Fitzpatrick. I think Ramsey's a better player now
than Minka. I just minca towards the end of last season,
let's call it the second half the back half of
the year. Last year really started to show some signs
that he was not the player that he once was
at his peak. His coverage in particular, it seemed to

(08:51):
really take a drop off there Jalen Ramsey. What I
think is appealing about Jalen Ramsey is that he gives
you a really good player at two different spots. You
can play him outside or you can play him at
the star or the nickel position. He might even be
just throughout his entire career, Ramsey might be a better
player in the slot than he is outside. He's a

(09:13):
really dynamic slot corner. So I actually would say, as
of right now, just based off of last year, that
Jalen Ramsey is better player than Mika Fitzpatrick. And then
you also get Johnny, who they clearly like because of
the fit with Arthur Smith, that that's a clear system
fit for them that they really really like. I get
what Pittsburgh's trying to do to me, because what Pittsburgh's

(09:33):
trying to do is they are pushing all these chips
in the middle of the of the pile here and
they are really going for it with Tom and like
Tom Win and in their GMM Omar Kahn. They're operating
like they're on the hot seat, Like that's what like
executives and coaches do that are on the hot seat.

(09:53):
They sign Aaron Rodgers, they trade for DK Metcalf, they
trade for Jalen Ramsey and Johnny Smith. These are win now,
we're all in on twenty twenty five type moves. Now,
with that being said, there's obviously a path where this
blows up and is an absolute disaster in Pittsburgh, just
like it was with the Jets. I think it's a
very similar situation, very similar layout there. It's either gonna

(10:18):
be very successful and they're gonna go on a run
and they're gonna win some playoff games and they're gonna
have a really good year, or it's gonna go the
Jets way and it's gonna completely blow up in their face.
There really doesn't seem to be any in between, but
at least they are they're going for it.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
In theory.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
The Dolphins are resetting in my mind, like they look
like they're a team that's hitting a reset button here,
and I just don't know if their brass has the
job security. Like I just said at the top, like
I don't understand, if you're Mike McDaniel, you need to
win games like you can't go into next season. And
we were talking about this off the air in particular,

(10:54):
if two gets hurt and two gets hurt, like that's
a If two gets hurt, the Dolphins could be.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Picking in the top five. Especially it's a top five
type of roster without a good quarterback.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
With this line, right, I mean, it's it's bad the offense.
And we've talked about that on the show before. The
offensive line is bad. You're not gonna catch me saying
let's give Mike McDaniel the benefit of the dat, you
know that. Like, I think this has been a long
time coming. I think this is the chickens coming home
to roost for Mike McDaniel. This is the logical conclusion
of everything they've been building towards. But yeah, to see

(11:25):
them handle it the way they are, I mean, I
just really don't think there's a recognition of the spot
that they're in. There might be some delusion in that building.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
So here here's their starting secondary right now without Jalen Ramsey,
Storm Duck, who is a nice fine by them. He
is an undrafted free agent kind of like an elite name,
one of those guys that.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Was just a nice find.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
You know, I liked him in the draft.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
That type of player at Feddimofanu, Mika Fitzpatrick cater Coho
and Artie Burns. That that's their starting secondary. And if
you just look at the Patriots and compare that to
Christian Gonzales, Carlton Davis, Mark Marcus Jones, Kyle Dugger, and
Jabrill Peppers, I don't think it's close.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
I don't think it's even legitimately and not close.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
And then do the offensive line.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
So the offensive line in Miami right now, your boy Patrick.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Paul, who is like I like him, but he's a complete.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Projected starting left tackle right down.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
For who's behind him, who's really gonna push for that job?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
They have exactly Yeah, no, no, Like Larry Boram is
like a good like journeyman veteran. He's somebody that's kicked
the league.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Maybe a little bit better, but yeah, darn low James
Daniels left guard, a free agent signing of Theirs that
they are hoping is going to start. Aaron Brewer is
a good player at center. Jonas Sevani their draft pick
right guard, and then Austin Jackson at right tackle, who's
had a tough, tough career really for them, just has.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Who they got originally when they traded make it ye.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Liam Eikenberg is a kind of their top backup who's
also been sort of a bust for them as a
first round pick, hasn't been very good. So when you
look at their roster outside the skill positions outside of
Wattle Hill to and then they have talent at running back,
you know h Chan, Jalen Wright, you know those guys
are good players. Ollie Gordon drafted there now is like

(13:19):
their bruiser when you look at outside their skill players.
I just don't know how you look at this roster
in Miami and fear anything. And granted the Patriots they
haven't beaten the Dolphins since twenty twenty two. It was
that game up here where it wasn't too It was
a combination of Skyler Thompson and Scoop Untley. Towards the
end of the season, I think I want to say

(13:40):
it was the second to last week of the season
and they went to Buffalo and lost in Buffalo to
knock them out of the playoffs. Officially, it was the
Kyle Duggar picked six game. He had a pick six
late in the game. I want to say it was
in the fourth quarter that tilted the game to the
Patriots that day. But so, four straight losses for the
Patriots against the Dolphins. They've lost eight out of the

(14:02):
last nine to Miami going back a couple of years now.
So the Dolphins has had their number, no, no doubt
about it. We know that two has had their number.
I think that that could change, I really do. This
Dolphins team is sort of in a reset, and I
would even throw this out there. As much as I
think he's an unbelievable player, I'm not entirely sure that

(14:23):
Tyree kill is not on the wrong side of the
I mean, he's.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Not getting any younger.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's a fair thing to point out, yeah, getting I
think he's a little bit on the back nine as well.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Thirty one years old. The history of wide receivers after
they turned thirty is not great, and some of this
is quarterback play. He had a significant, significant drop off
last year after having a career in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
So I know, I know I'm being glass half full
right now about saying the Patriots that I would take
the Patriots over the Dolphins because of the history of
these two teams recently, and especially to his history against
the Patriots. But this Dolphins team in the in areas
where it matters, you know, offensive line, secondary, like those

(15:03):
are big, big areas of your football team these days
in the way that the NFL has played. You know,
their first round pick was Kenneth Grant, who's a I
like him as a prospect.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
He's got a lot of upside.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
And it's similar to how when they drafted Jordan Phillips
and Chop Robinson, Like there are guys that have a
ton of raw talent and they're oozing with athleticism. But
Kenneth Grant Michigan was a little jackal and hide like
they didn't really get him completely to flourish well Michigan.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
It's also we talked about this with the Patriots with
Mason Graham. Yeah, I think Kenneth Grant's a really good player.
I think not only was he underrated, he was probably
part of the reason Mason Graham was rated as high
as he was, and he didn't get enough credit for that.
But when you have all these other holes, like defensive tackle,
it's a tough position to truly build around and to

(15:52):
use your first round pick on and get the impact
you want to get out of that pick. So I
really like Kenneth Grant, I do, and I think he'll
be good for them. How much impact are you getting
out of a guy like that, Like he has to
be he basically has to be Jeffrey Simmons right to
justify that pick. That's kind of the apex of that, right,
you know, Aaron Donald's his own thing. Yeah, he's not

(16:14):
gonna play Aaron Donald's three hundred and thirty pounds, Like
he's gonna have to be Jeffrey Simmons type to justify
that pick. What are you really getting on return, even
though he's a good player, just positional value? What return
are you getting on that pick? When you know, I
thought adding an offensive lineman would have made a lot
more sense, or even maybe helping that secondary.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
So they are all in on this defensive line. They
have Kenneth Grant their first round pick, Jalen Phillips, Chop Robinson,
these are all.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
First those are their first round picks the last three years.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Right, Yeah, I believe so. And then Zach Steeler, who's
a really good, underrated player on their interior defensive line,
one of the better, you know, top ten level interior defensive.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Lineman in the league.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Not quite in that Chris Jones, you know, Jalen Carter tier.
That's kind of its own tier, but in next wave
Steelers not too far off.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Phillips has been in the NFL for five years, oh
my god. And then although he was because they didn't
have first round picks for two years. So technically that
is their last three first round picks because they didn't
have one in twenty three or twenty two.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
And they still have Bradley Chubb, who I don't know
what they're expecting to get out of him, but they
still have Bradley Chubb. So their defensive line and their
front seven is other than their wide receivers, of course,
is the strength of their team right now. But I
look at these other areas of their roster and and
see a lot of a lot of holes in Miami,
and I just am wondering if these two guys McDaniel

(17:33):
and Greer are going to be the ones that ultimately
are making the long term decisions in Miami, Because if
they have a five win season, they win six games
next year, if two, it gets hurt and they, you know,
some of these holes that I see and we see
end up coming to fruition and costing them. Then I
could see them picking in the top five at least
the top ten and then as McDaniel and Greve and

(17:53):
there to make those choices. So weird trade from a
Miami perspective in my mind, and then they they kind
of doubled down on the weirdness a little bit. I
got why they made the trade for Darren Waller after
trading Johnny Smith, because our old friend Pharaoh Brown was
their projected starting tight end immediately after.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
I don't know that, like Darren Waller's thirty two was
out of football last year. I don't know that he's
definitively an upgrade over Pharaoh Brown. That's a lottery ticket
to me, if anything.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
So they trade for Darren Waller, who was, like you said,
out of football. I don't know if it was all
just football related. He went through a messy divorce, very
public divorced with Kelsey plumba plays in the WNBA, and
he kind of had what looked like from the outside
looking and he kind of had a little bit of
a meltdown and and ended up taking the year off football.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
So he comes back.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Oh and by the way, had maybe one of the
funniest wrap videos of all time on the beach. Yeah
that he that he published as a result of that divorce.
So he comes back. Darren Waller is traded from the
New York Giants to the Miami Dolphins. So now Darren
Waller is the Dolphins starting tight end in theory thoughts.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, I mean it's I don't know that he is
there starting tight end. That's competition. The track record of
guys coming back after year out is not great. He's
thirty two years old, He's dealt with injuries. Yeah, I
don't think Ferrwell Brown's like a horrible player.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
He's not horrible.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
He's definitely a better blocker than like, Darren Waller is
a big receiver. He's not your traditional hand in the
dirt to get well.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
I saw somebody tweeted something like Darren Waller is a
perfect fit for the Dolphins because he retired when they
tried to make him block inside and the Dolphins refused
to do anything physically.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
He's got a little bit of that Johnnys Smith's ability
of like if you're gonna move the pocket and be
that West Coast style and all those types of things
he can make.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Look, when he was on, he was a tremendously tremendously
talented player. That was just a long time ago. And
I think, you know, hoping you're getting that is a
pipe dream. He's just he's a lottery ticket. It's not
necessarily a bad law ticket. They gave up what a
conditional sixth round pick. I don't necessarily think it's a
bad move. I just would you be surprised if we
get to like mid August and we found out he's

(20:08):
not gonna make the team.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
No, because we don't know, We don't know what he is.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
The last one, I guess we can sit here and
have an example of is is Gronk retiring with the
Patriots and then coming back with Tampa. But Gronk came
back with Tampa with Brady, So it's a little bit
different in that respect. And then also, you know Gronka
towards the end, and I don't remember exactly, you know,
obviously I have a better understanding of Gronk's history than

(20:35):
Darren Wallace. But with Gronk, his body after twenty eighteen
was unplayable. I mean, his his back, his leg, he
had that big giant bruise.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Remember that he was.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
His entire body was in shambles. He was done and
obviously he was done playing in New England as well.
So there's just a couple of different factors there with Gronk.
But he comes back after a year of resetting his
body to play with his quarterback, to play with Brady.
This is a little bit of a different situation for
Darren Waller. But maybe Darren Waller comes back and and

(21:10):
is the Darren Waller at least for another year. For Gronk,
it was it was like a year or two that
he that he was a factor in Tampa Bay. So
maybe Darren Waller can do the same thing. But interesting
trade from a dolphin's perspective. From the Steelers' perspective, just quickly,
here here's the look at the Steelers starters. I really
like what Pittsburgh has done in theory outside of Rogers.

(21:33):
If they had anybody else at quarterback that made me
feel any better about that situation. Besides Rogers, you know,
DK metcalf, Robert Woods, Calvin Austin, but they have Roman Wilson,
who I really liked in the draft last year. Who
got hurt in his rookie training camp. He's coming back
from injury, so he's going to be in the mix
as well. Their offensive line, I don't know if it's great,

(21:56):
but they have Troy Fotto who they just drafted, Broderick
Joe so they just drafted. So they have two first
round picks, recent first round picks in twenty three and
twenty four at left and right tackle. There you mentioned
the tight end room is really good on paper. I
mean Frimrith and Johnny Smith and Darnel Washington's a really
good combination there at tight end. And then Jalen Warren

(22:18):
and Caleb Johnson sort of their one two punch at
running back. And that brings us to the defense, which
I wanted to kind of segue into this other part
of this discussion. This trade goes down Ramsey and Johnny Smith.
Not all that different than what's going on in Pittsburgh
with TJ.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Watt.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
TJ Watt wants a new contract, Jalen Ramsey wanted out
of Miami. Johnny Smith wanted a new contract with the
Dolphins that he didn't get.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
So TJ. Watt now is.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Sitting there with this Steelers situation. Everything the Steelers have done,
trading for Ramsey, trading for DK, signing Rogers, all this
stuff signals that the Steelers want to be all in
on twenty five. So to then go ahead and trade
your best defensive player, maybe your best player on your
entire team and TJ. Watt doesn't make a whole lot

(23:07):
of sense. But at the same time, it hasn't resolved.
The situation hasn't resolved. He still needs a new contract,
he still doesn't have a new contract. And should the
Patriots be interested if he is available.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
I mean they should. I just all believe it when
I see it. I don't think he's going to be
available for all the reasons you just said. But if
he doesn't have a contract, he doesn't have a contract.
If I'm the Steelers, I'm running this out into the
regular season. Like if he can't get on the field
till October, fine, I'd be okay with that, But I
mean not okay with it, but like it's it's better
than trading him. But if he is available yet, he'd

(23:38):
be a great We talked about with his Patriots defense,
like we really like the secondary they've got some intriguing
player as a linebacker. They've brought in some good, complimentary
pass rushers, you know, compared to like the wide receiver
room right, guys that are good capitalizing off the opportunities
created by a leader. But they don't have that lead
pass rusher, just like they don't have that number one

(23:59):
wide receiver. They don't have their Matthew Judon. You plug TJ.
Watt into this, and now calebon Chason's gonna have a
bunch of one on ones like he did opposite Max
Crosby last year. Harold Landry's gonna have a bunch of
one on ones. You're gonna get to let some of
these younger guys pin their ears back Braden Swinson right.
It completely changes the dynamic, completely changes the dynamic of

(24:19):
the defense that we already think might be pretty good.
So whether Tim I know we'll get to Trey Hendrickson,
I think Trey Hendrickson I could see leaving. I think
Trey Hendrickson's more realistic than TJ. Watt if I had
I don't think either of them leave. But if I
had to pick one that I think will become available,
I think it's Hendrickson. Either one of those guys though,
Like that's that that would be the move the Patriot

(24:41):
should be in on that.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
It's very similar in a lot of ways to how
we look at their wide receiver room with the Patriots,
it's you have some guys that can make some plays,
but do.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
You have that alpha number one?

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, that's gonna draw the attention, that's gonna draw the
Tuesday matchup. That's gonna be that type of player. And
in the pass rush they might have that in the interior,
like Christian Barmore Milton Williams might be Tuesday players. You
know they if both those guys hit, If Christian Barmore
gets back to the way he was pre blood clots
and Milton Williams is as good as his potential and

(25:15):
his flashes in Philadelphia showed that he was, then that
is a Tuesday player type of build of building block
right there where teams are gonna have to worry about
on the interior, how are we going to block these
two guys? And maybe that's enough to tilt the scales
where the outside doesn't have as many resources for double
teams or chips or slides, you know, presiding protections and
things all that fancy stuff.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
They got to play a really really high level to
make that reality. So T J.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Watt would be the finishing piece, no doubt about it.
He'd be the icing on the cake there to kind
of really round out this line. And I think he's
a great fit for the style that Rabel wants to play,
just this upfield more of a splash play player at
his peak than he is, you know, somebody that's just
going to like consistently, you know, hold the edge and

(26:01):
press the pocket and that kind of thing. That's maybe
the one reason, and I want to get to Hendrickson separately,
but like it might be the one reason why I
favor Watt a little bit more over Hendrickson because Henderson,
to me is a really sturdy, consistent player, really good,
really good player. But he's not necessarily this like flashy

(26:21):
up the field player. He's more of like a push
the pocket, finish sacks, finish rushes, you good two way player,
really solid, but not necessarily a big time playmaker behind
the line of scrimmage, like what forts his fumbles, he
makes plays against the run, he pressures the quarterback. Obviously

(26:42):
much more splashier player in my mind, but I don't
know if he'll be available now. The one thing that
I wanted to throw out there because fake trade machine
here for a second, how what is the compensation realistically
for TJ Watt?

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Didn't some Pittsburgh radio guy in like April Reporter is
gonna be a second round pick, So I might be
imagining that hang.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
On second or third round pick feels about.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Right as a third round pick yet done.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
He's thirty years old, and he needs a new contract,
and those two factors, even though he's a great, great player,
those two factors always matter in the league. They always
matter when you have a guy that's aging and a
guy that wants a big money contract, those two things
are going to coincide to hurt the compensation.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
The deal.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
And this goes for Hendrickson as well. Max Crosby just
signed a three year deal worth one hundred and six
million dollars. Yeah, sixty two point five million guaranteed. It's
right around thirty five million a year.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Now.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Max Crosby's twenty seven, TJ Watt's thirty, So there's a
difference in age there, but I think at the bare
minimum for TJ Watt, you're talking about twenty five million
a year and maybe even pushing thirty. So that's probably
what he's looking for, I would say.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
So here's where I'm at with that.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Like that, my point is that whoever trades for him
is gonna need to give him a contract too, sure,
otherwise here gonna be in the same position as the
Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
No, you're you're obviously I'm not trading for him to
like as a one year rental like you. If you're
giving up that much, you're giving him a contract. Let's
put that in there. Over the cap. Has the Patriots
with sixty point six million dollars in cap space.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
They have that's not an issue. It's not a cap space.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Nobody else has more than forty five. Is this real?
Or in the red next year? How's that possible? No,
that's not all right anyway. The point being this is,
this is the whole thing about the rookie contract for
the quarterback. This is this is what you do like
you can. I wouldn't want what on the books past

(28:49):
when you're gonna be extending Drake Man, but I don't
think that's gonna be an issue. Right, So you have
this year will be your two, Next year will be
your three year four Even if you want to play
with the fifty year option, it probably wouldn't be a
lot of guaranteed money. You could probably even stretch it
to four years if you really want to, as long
as he's off the books by or maybe you take
one year back to make wiggle room for the Christian

(29:11):
Zales extension. But if you have him off the books
by the time you have to pay Gonzalz you have
to pay may. You don't have any big contracts on
the books, right, Who are they paying? Who are their
pending FRA agent this offseason that's going to get a
big fat contract? I think? Correct me if I'm wrong.
I think their biggest penning phragan is Marcus Jones.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Sounds right, which I.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Like Marcus Jones and he's a good player. He's not
realistically a guy that's breaking the bank.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
So Milon Williams is definitely their biggest contract.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
But he's on the books now. Yeah, he's accounted for, right, So.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
You're saying guys are adding gotcha?

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Yeah yeah right. So it's not something that like if
you could you have the flexibility to pay him, you
have the wiggle room to pay him and get him
on the books for a little bit, even if you
have to overpay, because you have the flexibility the rookie
quarterback contract. Use that to bolster the rest of the
roster to make it easier on Drake May so that

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when it is time for him to be the guy,
he already knows what it looks like to win, depending
on the season. Klevon Chase on has Marcus Jones is
their biggest pending free agent.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Uh, can I throw another crazy trade idea at you?

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah, just real quick. Austin Hooper, Cole Strange, Marcus Jones,
Klevon Chase, On, Jalen Hawkins. Those are really they're only starters,
guys that we think are going to be starters that
are going to be free agents next year unrestricted.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
They have a couple of r fas, So TJ.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Watt and I again, I think you can throw Trey
Hendrickson similar, similar idea, similar concept with both those players.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Yeah, this all applies to.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
This is purely speculative. Purely speculative. If the Steelers called
you and said, we are gauging the market for t J. Watt, Yeah,
we want a third round picking Keyon White. Oh, because
to me This is happening more and more. We just

(31:07):
saw Ramsey and Fitzpatrick get traded for you know, player
for player Ramsey and John who for Fitzpatrick. It's happening
a little bit more in the league now that players
are getting involved in some of these trades. They're not
just straight up picks. The Steelers clearly want to win now,
They're clearly a win now mode. You send them ke
On White, who can be a starter for them on
their defensive line, and the Patriots get a guy that's

(31:29):
a little bit more proven and has a little bit
more uh splashed to his name into his game. I
would say it in Keon White and and really more
of a pure four to three rush linebacker, like not
necessarily the tweeter that Keon White is as well, would
you do it if you're the Patriots?

Speaker 4 (31:50):
As much as like, how's it going? I want to
see Keon White's defense. I think this defense is a
great fit for him. I think it's gonna unlock a lot.
I think he's gonna be awesome. But as somebody who
is such an affinity for the mystery box or the boat, take,
don't I kind of have to take what or Hendrickson, like,
Keon White could be anything. He could even be.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, he's twenty six, so he's obviously much younger.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Than Yeah, this guy. But like, was it a third
round pick in one of those guys.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, let's call it a third round pick and Keon
White for Water or Hendrickson.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
I think I'm take cornered. I think I have to
do it because I'm I'm it's the mystery box or
the boat.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
It's fun because.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
You can see it from both sides, and like I said,
these trades are becoming a little bit more popular now
where the Steelers or the Bengals are trading the best
player in the trade, there's no doubt about that. But
they're at least getting somebody back that's a starting caliber player,
so they're not completely deviat of talent at that position now.

(32:57):
So it helps out both sides by doing something like that.
I really love the idea. It's you're right, it's a
mystery box versus boat. I love the idea of Kean White.
He's much more affordable, he's much younger. Those things are
obviously factors in all of this, but for a team
like the Patriots, it does feel a little bit premature
to trade for water Hendrickson because you're not truly in

(33:18):
the window yet.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
You're you're you're right outside the window, like the window.
You're cracking the window open.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, but I know you're not getting a lot closer
to the window. I think that's gonna be good for
Drake May's development. I think it's gonna be good for
Mike Rabel. They win more games with an established pass
rusher on the roster. We are not in tank territory anymore.
We should not be worrying about the draft pick. I
posted the other day. I posted the other day. Uh

(33:46):
EA Sports put out the rankings for the college football
the overall ratings for the players for this year's game,
which drops on Monday, and I posted the wide receiver
rankings because my guy Jordan Tyson is third behind Ryan
Williams and Jeremiah Smith, and savage friend of the program replied,
I'm waiting for the twenty twenty seven draft and like,
don't get me wrong, those guys are great. But here's

(34:07):
the thing. If they're picking high enough that they can
draft Ryan Williams or Jeremiah Smith, there are much, much,
much bigger problems at hand, and they probably shouldn't be
drafting a wide receiver to begin with, so unless they
make some crazy trade. So like, we need to be
done with the draft stuff. We need to be done
with the will is the window open or is it not?
Like I know they're not gonna Probably this one trade

(34:28):
won't make them contenders for a Super Bowl. They need
to be focused on winning as many football games as possible.
That's what matters now. Building that winning culture, building that
winning environment. Having some of these young players Drake May,
Christian Zalez, Will Campbell understand what it takes to win
in this league, and winning regularly in this league and
win against high level opponents in this league. In a
player like TJ Watt or a player like Trey Hendrickson

(34:51):
is going to help you do that, and that needs
to be the priority right now.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
I would do it. That's why I threw it out there.
I didn't throw it out there to say I wouldn't
do it. That would be silly.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
I do that all the time. You can absolutely do that.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
No, I would do that trade. I would make that trade.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
I would. It wouldn't be easy. It wouldn't be easy.
It wouldn't be it.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
It has absolutely nothing to do with it's writing it
is going to be a good player. I just look
at it from the Patriots perspective, kind of like what
you're saying. I feel as though that expedites things a
little bit, and it also in a lot of ways
takes some pressure off of Drake May because there's a
lot riding right now, in my opinion, as we look
ahead the training camp and all that kind of stuff.

(35:30):
We talk a lot about in the off season, their
draft and their free agent additions, and rightfully so, but
at this point of the season, at this point of
the offseason, the dust has kind of settled on all
of that, and now you just realize, if Drake May
is not the guy, then their poor kind of anyways, right,
and then we're going back into the carousel in four
or five years. A great way to support your young

(35:50):
quarterback is obviously to stack the roster with as much
talent around him as possible. A young quarterback TJ Water,
Trey Henderson puts their defense into good to potentially great turk.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
I think, I mean health and all that. Right, you
add one of those guys and I think we can
legitimately talk about them being a top five defense I
think right now, top tens realistic, Hendrickson, top five, Williams.
You had a guy like.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Landry as your front four with Davis and Gonzo and
the two safeties in the back.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
I mean, that's just studs. It's just everywhere.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
It's great. It's a great roster.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
You're talking about a top five defense out. When's the
last time a team with the top five defense didn't
make the playoffs?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
That's a good question. Ask chat at UBT. They'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
The other trade person trade candidate I wanted to get
to before we move on here is Terry McLaurin in Washington.
Out of all of the players that we've talked about,
I would probably rank McLaurin as the least likely to
get traded. Out of these three guys, Watt, Hendrickson, McLaurin,
I probably go from order of least likely to most

(36:51):
likely McLaurin, Watt Hendrickson. I think Hendrickson has the most
likely odds of getting traded because it since An and
the Bengals have paid everybody so far. They paid to Higgins,
they paid Jamar Chase, they played Burrow. I don't know
how much more money is going to be printed in
Cincinnati at this point to give to Trey Hendrickson. So
McLaurin I think is a long shot to get dealt

(37:13):
but he does want a contract. He has been holding
out throughout the spring. We'll see if he continues to
hold out in training camp, but he wants a new deal.
If I'm Washington, I'm doing it. I'm figuring it out.
The last thing that you want to do to Jaden.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Daniels is take away his best receiver in his second season.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
It would be beyond moronic of the You kind of
have to give him what he wants. It goes back
to what I said about the rookie contract. This is
the benefit just bugged me out the Sports Sub.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Show, and Polly p. Paul is on the Sports Ub
talking about the exact same thing.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
You have the quarterback on a rookie deal. I'm not
saying give Terry McLaurin like a five year Oh yeah,
that was that lower third say, should the Patriots consider
trying to trade for t J water c Literally the
exact same converce energy We should have done across or
you should have. But again, you're the commanders. You have
the financial flexibility. The quarterback on a rookie contract. They
would be idiots to not give him what he wants.

(38:12):
And you add more money for shorter term if you're
worried about the term, but you have to pay him,
all right. You want to who the last top five
defense was to not make the playoffs. Yes, it's kind
of a no duh thing. What team in the NFL
would manage to have a top five defense and still
not make the playoffs?

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Top five defenses still not make the playoffs?

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Oh even they were seven and four and then lost
their last six games. What team does that sound like?

Speaker 2 (38:38):
I don't even know.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Patriots Division, the Jets, Yeah, Jets, the twenty twenty two Jets,
but like that's an asterisk because that's the Jets and
they could screw anything up. So I'm back to twenty
twenty one. I still haven't found anybody yet. Top two
defenses in football twenty twenty one Patriots and Bills.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
So pulling up on the Terry McLaurin front, which is
I don't want to.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Broncos didn't twenty two one, so it's been a few years.
But like, you have a top five defense, you're probably
gonna make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I want to belabor this one because I really don't
think mclaurin's gonna get dealt. But no, DK Metcalf went
for a second round pick from Seattle to Pittsburgh this offseason,
second round draft pick. I know you're a huge DK guy.
I believe mclaurin's a better player than DK, but that
would seem to be the floor.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
He is definitely a better fit for uh mcdan Kingles offense.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, that would be the floor in my mind from
McLaurin at the bare minimum would be a second round pick,
and it might take more. It might be even even
more than that. But to go back to my I.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Think he's worth the same as Metcalf. I would do
the Metcalf deal for McLaurin.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
So I think he's a little bit better a player.
But if you're it's.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Also later in the process players aren't worth as much.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
He's twenty nine and in Metcalf's a little bit younger. Yeah,
that might be the only the only difference. Mclaurin's a
better player, better route, a more well rounded player. You know,
DK is an awesome field stretcher, but that's what he is.
He's a one trick pony. Deep threat, really really good
at it. It's one hundred and two mile an hour
up in the zone, right like it's a great fastball.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
But that's that's what he's good at.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
McLaurin just awesome player, just great route runner, great at
the catch point, tough as nails, competitive, just great football.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
I've always said this not to revisit the twenty nineteen draft,
but like as much as people bemoan that, and they
could have had AJ Brown, they could have had DK Metcalf,
they were never drafting. They were never Deebo Samuel. They
were never drafting those guys. Those guys, and look, you
can argue, given their track record, maybe they should have

(40:45):
done things differently than what their traditional philosophy was, but
they're what their philosophy was at the time. AJ Brown,
DK Metcalf, Deebo Samuel didn't fit the philosophy, didn't fit
the mold of the kind of receivers they drafted. You
know who did, Terry Laurin. He was a great gunn right,
he played all four downs. I think it was a
multi year team captain if I remember correctly at Ohio State.

(41:06):
That was the only thing that didn't fit the mold.
Is in draft Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Guys, but that's probably why I haven't drafted them.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
I've always said this, like, if we're gonna just look
at it objectively, the real miss in twenty nineteen is
Terry McLaurin because he checked so many of their boxes.
The other guys went on to be great, and yeah,
would have been great if they drafted them, but it
would have been so out of character. They could have
drafted Terry McLaurin gotten obviously better player Thanikhil Harry, but
that also he was what is he a fourth round pick?

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Third round pick?

Speaker 4 (41:33):
It wouldn't have been out of character for them to
draft a guy like that. Here's a third round It
just kind of a side take I've always did. He's
always been the big miss to me from twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Here's a third round pick, and he was a unreal
elite gunner yep. In college. He didn't catch the ball
of time at Ohio State. It's obviously always a keep saying.
Obviously today it was a crowded room. Of course it
always isn't at Ohio State. But he didn't have a
ton of college production. But I remember the little bit

(42:03):
of film that he did have in college was really good.
And then on top of that, you could watch his
gunner tape and watch how he got off the line
of scrimmage and how he built speed covering punts and
see how that was going to translate to press coverage
in the NFL, and you could just tell that this
guy was going to be able to get off press
and be really good at all that type of stuff.
So Terry McLaurin, twenty nine years old, needs a new contract,

(42:25):
wants a new contract. This one's easier to swallow, I
would say, than dealing keyon White. But there's a trade
that's similar. If you hear the Patriots you trade a
second round pick in kaish On Booty for Terry McLaurin.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
I would do that.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Maybe they would ask for Bourne instead, that's up to that.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
I would do that, But I think those ones are
much easier to stomach than And it's.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
The Brandan and Ayuk trade was a second a future
fourth in Kendrick Bourne, and you want to make that
kaish On Booty instead, Like I think that's and I'm
not like willingly parting ways with either of those guys.
Everybody knows how big of a Kendrick Borne fan I am,
But for Terry McLaurin, I would do that.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
I wonder if if they would which way Washington would go.
Kendrick Bourne more veteran player, They're in a win now
situation with the commanders, But Kaishon Boody's got a little
bit more upside. He can run the vertical routes that
Jaden Daniels is really good at throwing. So I actually
would say that that Kashon Booty is probably a better
fit for the style of offense.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
It also helps that it's the LSU offense and they
played at LSU, right, So there's a lot of things
that to me would say Kashan Booty is probably a
better fit for Washington than Kendrick Bourne. I just don't
know if they would go with unproven versus maybe a
little bit more proven in which route they would want
to go there. But the I E Trade a second,
a future fourth and one of those two receivers born

(43:43):
Er Booty for McLaurin, I'm in. I do that if
I was the Patriots. Yeah, so that's your trade candidates.
I want to really quickly before we opened it up
to you guys, I did write down some free agents.
It's not no one that's available for in free agency
right now is going to change much. We put that
out there, but I just wanted to off ten names
and if any of these names catch your eye, these

(44:03):
were the sort of the looking at positions of need
for the Patriots and who's available. These are kind of
the top guys that I came up with. Raeul Douglas,
Javion Clowney, Eric Kendricks, Brandon Sheriff, Kazer White, Justin Simmons,
Defan Gilmore, Matt Judon, Carl Lawson, Will Hernandez Guard any
of those names? Would you be interested in the Patriots

(44:24):
bringing it?

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Shoot run head again quick Russeul Douglas, j Davian Clowney, Ye,
Eric Kendricks, Brennan Sheriff, Kazier White, Justin Simmons, who I
like free safety Stefan Gilmore, Judan, Will Hernandez. I mean,
I've liked Simmons too, but the fact this is a

(44:45):
second year in a row he's been available this late
in the process, right, It's weird.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
It's like maybe he just doesn't want to do training camp.
I don't know, but he's.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Kind of older, he's dealt with injury. He wasn't very
good last year, was he not great? You know who's
the one guard you mentioned in there, Brandon Sheriff. I
wouldn't hate. I'm always down to bring back Stephan Gilmour.
I don't really know what he does for them at
this point. Honestly, you're not gonna play him inside. It's
kind of like we talked about your Alexander last week.

(45:12):
You're not gonna play Gilmore inside. You're not gonna play
Gonzalez inside, You're not gonna play Carlton Davis inside. I
don't know that Gilmore is coming for a depth role.
I just want him and Christian Gonzalez in the same room,
just so Gonzalez can learn from him. So I'm not
a post to that. I just don't ultimately know what
that looks like or what the incentive is for Gilmore
to come here. Yeah, nothing really stands out to me

(45:33):
on that list.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
So the one guy that does stand out to me
a little bit is Sheriff. Now, he's a career right guard.
He's played on the right side of his entire career.
He has definitely started to tail off years older. He's
an older player, he's thirty three going on thirty four.
But at the same time and in the interior equivalent

(45:54):
of Morgan Moses, it feels a little bit like that.
He's a very very good player for a long period time,
who is a veteran, consummate pro type of player, really well,
really highly regarded.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
At his peak, he was one of the best guards
in football. He's not that anymore.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
If the Patriots get into a position two weeks into
training camp and we're sitting at here and we're still
talking about left guard being this hole that they don't
really have a great fit for. If they get Brandon
Sheriff on board to switch from right to left and
play left guard for a year and do the whole
stopgap bridge thing with Brandon Sheriff for a year, I'd

(46:32):
be in on that. I don't think it's something that
they would do immediately in training camping. This is a
Zeke Elliott situation where they get to that joint practices
in Minnesota, realize that left guard is really a problem,
and they go and yeah, the move that type of
thing you'd have to I would be a little bit
weary of the position switch. He'd have to be on
board with it, but if he wants to play, it's

(46:55):
a starting position that's available to him to play at
and the Patriots can compensate him. So that's the one
player that stood out to me on that list. But
that's it. That's pretty much what's available right now, other
than the trades, which I think are a little bit
pie in the sky for just in general. I don't
know if any of those guys are getting moved. It's
not exactly like you're going to make a huge impact

(47:16):
change to your roster on July second, which isn't totally surprising.
But at the same time, or Ramsey and Fitzpatrick and
Johnny like that was a trade that was a legitimate
trade that changed some things for those two teams. So
if you want to weigh in on that, you can
go right ahead and tell us what you like what
you don't like from our spiel about what's available out

(47:37):
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Let's get to the phones. Nate is in Connecticut. What's up, Nate?

Speaker 5 (48:58):
Hey, can you guys hear me?

Speaker 6 (48:59):
Well?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
We got not much.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
So first off, I just want to say Evan, congrats
on getting married. Thank you, you know big time. And
you said you're having your honeymoon at Martha's Vineyard.

Speaker 7 (49:11):
It's a great place.

Speaker 6 (49:13):
Never been, but I've seen a lot of cool pictures.
But what I want to get to is, uh, my
question for you guys is have you noticed anything about
Remondre Stevenson's reports are that he has lost a tremendous
amount of weight and it's looking a lot more swimmer.
I don't know if he's trying to fit like a
scheme like the Spaniels on or if it's just his

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personal opinions.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Thank you, guys, Thanks, thanks for the call, and I
appreciate the positives about the wedding. Yes, the remonder I
I always have a tough time with guys. You know,
do they look like they're skinnier because they're not in
pads in this timing year, right, so it can make
a difference about I.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Don't know about like tremendous amount of weight is not.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I would say tremendous.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
He looked good in the spring, though he moe looked
like he was in I would say he looked like
he was in shape. I don't know if that means
that he would lost all this weight, but he looked
like he was in shape.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
Well, he's also he's been pretty much constantly hurt the
last two years. He might it just might be that
he's fully healthy. It could be as simple as that,
like he and he's been dealing with ankles and knees
and things like that. You know my spiel on this,
they they ran him into the ground in the last
two years. They ran him into the ground and it
took its toll. Sounded like he kind of really refreshed
this offseason. We know he's gonna come in. We think

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he's gonna come in, I should say, with the lighter
workload this year with Josh McDaniels. I wonder if he's
just moving better and like he definitely lost a little
bit of weight. I shouldn't say it's not that, but
I wonder if he's moving better. I wonder if he's
just healthy and we haven't seen him look like this
in a couple of years because he hasn't been help
He really hasn't been healthy since Training Camp twenty twenty three.
It's probably the last time he was healthy.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
He looked like he was in shape. I don't We'll
see what it looks like with the pads. I'm also
not the greatest eyetest guy when it comes to is
this guy overweight underweight?

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
I don't I don't try to read scales, you know
I have. I have no clue. But it looked to
me like he was in shape. He looks spry, he
looked fresh, like you said, which he should this time
of year. But just an aside, it related to this,
and I know I shouldn't do this and I shouldn't care,
but there's nothing else to do. So I was scrolling

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as you do on social media, and PFF put out
their top running back rooms one through thirty two.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Any guess where the patriots were?

Speaker 4 (51:25):
They had them like annoyingly loa didn't they?

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah, he did.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
You need to stop encouraging these people.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
So I think I can pull it up real quick.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
So they have like twenty five, twenty six.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Oh, this is just running backs.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
I'll pull it up in a second, but I believe
that they were thirty yeah, twenty something like twenty three,
twenty four, something like that. So here it is Baltimore's
number one. I mean, yes, Philly is number two. Yeah,
that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Like I don't know the Patriots need to be top ten,
but they shouldn't be bottom ten, so they were. They
just don't know about land Larson yet. That's the thing.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
So I want to say I can't find the exact list,
of course, now I want to say, oh, unit ranks.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Here it is.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Okay, I'm sorry, this is a terrible radio But Baltimore
number one, yeah, Derrick Henry, Detroit number two with Gibbson Montgomery.
They have the Falcons at number three with Bijehon and
Tyler Algier.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Tyler Algiers slept on. I don't know that i'd put
them ahead of Philly. I think Barkley alone clears, but
Tyler Algeers they slept on player. I don't hate that.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Take Philly at four, yeah, Barkley, Seattle at five. That
was your top five?

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
The Patriots on this list were twenty second.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Who are they?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
This is like, who's below them.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
You mean, know who's ahead, Who's like just ahead of them?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
New Orleans, Tennessee with with who?

Speaker 4 (52:48):
With who?

Speaker 3 (52:49):
New Orleans Alvin Kamara, Kendre Miller, Clyde Edwards, z Laer,
Devin Neil. They drafted Devin Neil, Tennessee Hollard and Taja
Spears Houston. Would they signed Nick Chubb this offseason? Damian
Pierce what he Mark's draft pick? Dolphins who we talked
about earlier at Hn and Jalen Wright, the Jets, Breeze Hollow,

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Braylen Allen, It's good combo Colets, Jonathan Taylor, Khalil Herbert,
get Ins in the fifth round. Chargers who drafted Hampton
signed Najie Harris.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Yeah, I don't know, there's a lot of good running
back rooms in the league. Maybe maybe that was too
harsh there.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Twenty seconds seems low.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
It seems low, But like, I don't know that I'd
put them behind any of those groups. So in some
head of any of those groups.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
In some respects, I get it. Remandra is coming off
a down year. The fumbling was a problem.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
We know that.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
I am cautiously optimistic that they're going to fix the
fumbling problem. A combination of better blocking and Frabel. Rabel
and McDaniels, I think are gonna have a really heavy
influence on helping him with that. Sub consciously optimist about
the fumbling, and I understand that Travon Henderson's an unknown,
he's a rookie, he's not proven.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
We don't know yet what he's going to be in
the league.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
That's fair, but in theory, because I believe Vermandre is
gonna bounce back. I think he's gonna clean the fumbles up.
I think he's gonna have a better year. I don't
know if it will be twenty twenty two where you
have fourteen hundred yards, but I think he's gonna have
or is that twenty three, whichever year that was. I
think he's gonna have a better year. And I'm really
bullish on Trayvon Henderson.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
And I think most people are. I think he's gonna
be a really good pro in a role. I don't
know if he's gonna be a workhorse.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
I don't know if he's gonna be a lead back,
but used correctly, which I have fate that McDaniels will
use him correctly. Trayvon Henderson's gonna be an impact player
in the league. So that's a pretty darn good tandem
if you were expecting a better version of Ramandre Stevenson
and then everybody everybody did, all the national media, all

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everybody loves Trevon Henderson.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Now all of a sudden, they're twenty second in the league.
It's it's low. It feels low.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
It does feel low.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
So I would have had them a little bit higher.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
I'm not saying that they should have been top five
or anything like that, but you know, Washington, for example,
is fourteen with Brian Robinson and Austin Eckler. Is is
Washington's running back room really that much better than the
Patriots or does Washington just have Jayden Daniels who just
makes their running game that much better. It's one of
those things to me. You know, Vegas is thirteen, it's

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just off of Ashon genty.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
If Vegas gonna be thirteen, just off of Ashon genty
and the Patriots should be higher.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
They have genty and the Avraheem moster that that's their
their one two d.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
That I'd almost put the Patriots ahead of that because
the Patriots unknown as the second guy, the Raiders unknown
as much as I like Genty, he's an unknown, he's
a rookie, is the first guy? Yeah that that's too high.
I'm a genty guy.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Lill low pff, we'll low all right. DC is in
New Hampshire. What's up, DC, Hey guy?

Speaker 5 (55:46):
Two quick points to throw at you.

Speaker 8 (55:48):
This first one total July off season point, and that
is Punta Rena's.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
Chile, which is at the bottom tip of Chile.

Speaker 8 (55:57):
Rid above Antarctica. They're winters during our summer right now,
it's like thirty degrees snowing, raining, windy. The multi billion
dollar Patriots organization should be renting a soccer field, throwing
up some upright and flying our kickers down for a
week during mini camp.

Speaker 9 (56:13):
No need to.

Speaker 8 (56:14):
Freeze the indoor facility or kick in freezers. Is a
beautiful city, That's what I think. Still, my actual actual
point is I wanted to make a quick Drake May
Josh Allen comp which is very original, I know, but
more so in their career trajectory. I think their rookie
years were actually kind of similar the big trait, but

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some things to clean up, and Alan did that in
his second year, but it wasn't really until year three
that he really made his stamp on the league. So
I think there's a lot of local media high for
a year to leave whatever that means from Drake May.
And I think some silly people who I won't name
names will freak out, like if he does anything less
than like four thousand yards thirty five touchdowns. But I

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think Drake May actually does hit his feeling, like I
think all of us think he is capable of doing
his trajectory. I think it's much more likely to be
Josh Allen than like a Burrow Lamar thing. And so
Josh Allen year two is like three thousand yards twenty tds.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
May looked really.

Speaker 8 (57:18):
Good in the second half of that year, and I
think if you see that from Drake May next year,
you're thrilled, And I would love to. I think that's
more realistic and I'd be pumped for that. But congrat
seven getting married, best of Buck.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Thanks you a goud Thanks DC, you appreciate it. So
Josh Allen your two which I know you love.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
This compound by the way, real quick, forty degrees in
raining And it's a great suggestion, Punta Arenas.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
It's a great suggestion.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Maybe they should fly him out there like the beginning
of training camp, because you know you can do without
the kickers for a couple of days in training camp
and let them go down there.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
But then how are we going to get with it
out or do I get to go.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Down Yeah we can, we can send you down there
on the on the charter. So Josh Allen in your
two just to play out the exercise. Three thousand eighty
nine yards right over three thousand yards passing, twenty touchdowns,
nine picks. He had over a little bit over five
hundred yards rushing. I think that's important to put in
there as well. So basically like thirty five hundred yards

(58:16):
of offense. And so he did have nine rushing touchdowns,
So he had twenty nine total touchdowns if you add
the rushing touchdowns to the passing touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
So pretty good numbers.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Now, he was under sixty percent completion still, he was
at fifty eight point eight.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
In my mind, I.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Believe Drake Mays ahead of this already. These numbers are
more In my opinion, I think Drake May's ahead of
this pace. Now I'm not saying he's gonna be an MVP.
I'm just saying that he's if you're comparing it to
year one, year two, Josh Allen, I would say that
Drake May is already ahead of three thousand yards and
twenty touchdown passes. Now how far I don't know. The

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big thing with Allen in year two is that the
Bills went ten and six and made the playoffs. They
were a much better team with him in the second
season compared to the first season. He was five and
six as a starter in his first season with the Bills,
started eleven games, and then he was ten and six
and started the full season and they made the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
So would you be good with that?

Speaker 3 (59:18):
It's that line three hundred three thousand yards, twenty touchdowns,
nine picks, five hundred yards on the ground.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
As long as there's not too many fumbles to go
with those picks, yeah, it'd be great.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
The fumbles is an interesting one.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
I've said that, just like keep it under a turnover again.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Josh ever really having issues with fumbles. I'll get to
it here in a second.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
I can find it.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
So he did.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
He did, Actually he fumbled the ball. Wow, if this
is right, he fumbled the ball fourteen times his second season.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Well, I'm guessing that's fumbles and not fumbles lost. Correct,
it's just total fumbles fourteen plus nine. That's a little high.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Now, No, not all of them were lost, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
I know. But solus nine that's twenty three times he
put the balls in arms WAI versus twenty touchdowns. I
guess we got to give him rushing to twenty nice
is twenty nine total touchdowns, twenty three times putting the
ball in arms. Way, I wouldn't love it. It'd be better. Yeah, fumble,
that's that fumble.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
I mean, that's a ton of fumbles. I didn't realize
he had.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
He's always had a fumble problem. You just have your
blinders on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
No, I knew he had to pick problem.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
He always had a fumble problem too. Apparently, will some
of us watch him objectively and dow that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
I just you know, now, the other big thing about
Josh Allen in year two I should mention that I
think it is important in this Drake May conversation. He
had four or fourth quarter comebacks in five game winning drives. Yeah,
so that's so he was a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
He was clutch.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
They gotta win more games.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Yeah, yeah, he won more games. Warm light.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
All right, let's get back to the phones. Randy is
in Providence. What's up, Randy? Randy?

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
Randy?

Speaker 10 (01:00:55):
Hey, Hello, I got sorry beep it in my earlier
So congratulations on getting married. Evan joined the parade of congratulations.
I called. I wanted to talk about the Miami Pittsburgh
trade for a minute there, because I think it's a
strange I think it's like a strange trade where both
teams kind of lose a little bit. I think Miami

(01:01:16):
like is on I've been saying for a couple of
months now. I think they're on the verge of like
a complete meltdown. I think next season they're gonna have
a new coach, new GM. We're going to be hearing
a lot of stories about the locker room issues and
stuff like that, because like the story I heard coming
out of Miami was that Ramsey and Hill were at odds.
Ramsey felt like Hill was treated a little too softly.

Speaker 9 (01:01:39):
And that's that's kind of what costs the fallout there.
But I mean, if you look across the roster, they've
lost two of their other pack full team captains and
Armstead retiring and plays Campbell.

Speaker 10 (01:01:52):
Returning to Arizona. But that and Johnny Smith being part
of that trade. He was a nineteen point five percent
target share in Miami last year. They don't really have
anybody to replace that. I mean, Darren Waller coming in
is great, but his peak was like five years ago.
But I think more importantly on the other side, I

(01:02:12):
guess with Pittsburgh is that it's just the Pittsburgh team
is becoming like a weird fit team, right, like a
bunch of big names and stuff. But how do they
fit together? Because like DK Metcalf has always been kind
of a go ball guy, right, a deeper out guy
last year twenty first in the league with thirteen point
one a dot. Meanwhile, Rogers on the other side of

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that hasn't had average air yards per throw over eight
since twenty nineteen. So I mean that's a contrast there,
just alone. But then he's also not really well known
for throwing to the tight end a lot. And so

(01:02:56):
with Fryarmuth there, who seventeen percent of the targets there
in Pittsburgh last here, and Johnny Smith coming in, it's
like the top three weapons there that Rogers game just
doesn't melt well with. But I have one question Patriots
related for you guys, as we're coming off this, I've
heard a lot of people with a lot of like

(01:03:18):
I would think, overly positive projections around Treyvon Henderson and
kind of his workload, almost to the point of like
can he be a feature back type of guy? And
I'm just wondering what in his history people are looking
at because I'm looking at his college production and once
they brought in Quinn Shawn Judkins, and he didn't have

(01:03:39):
to be that feature back, Like he's a perfect running
back by committee guy. He's great for that. But you
look at twenty twenty three, he was getting fifteen and
a half attempts per game. His yards per attempt was
five point nine. Twenty twenty four, when his attempts went
down to just nine a game, his yards per attempt

(01:03:59):
went up to seven point one. We saw him get
a little bit more involved in the receiving game and
more importantly stop missing games. He was injured a lot
when he was carrying a lot of that load. So
I'm just wondering, what is it just like kind of
rose colored glasses for people looking at a second round
draft pick hoping for you know, kind of like a

(01:04:19):
steal and a feature back out of it, or is
there anything specifically in Trayvon Henderson's history that you guys
look back and say, Yeah, I think he could, you know,
carry that load, because to me, I see him as
more of like a comp to like a Devon h
Chain out of Miami who ten twelve times the games
he touches the ball. But there are games he goes

(01:04:41):
for like one hundred and fifty yards and it's like, wow,
you know that's so I'd like to hear you guys'
thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Yeah, it's a it's a great call. It's a great call, Randy,
and it's a good cop. Chan's not a bad top. Yeah,
I rue with him. I don't necessarily get caught up
with Travon Henderson in terms of volume or counting stats.
I don't know how any touches he's going to have.
I don't know how many accumulated yards, even if you
want to call it scrimmage yards combined rushing in and receiving,
he's truly gonna have. What I'm more interested with Travon

(01:05:10):
Henderson or two stats yards per touch, Like how many
yards is he making every time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
He touched the ball in explosive place?

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Those are the two things I'm looking at for Travon Henderson.
He might not touch the ball two hundred times, maybe
it's only one hundred and fifty one seventy five, but
if he's averaging eight nine ten yards per touch, then
I'm gonna be really happy about the season that he's having.
And I think that that's sort of the thing that
people are hoping for, is that he's going to be

(01:05:38):
a high impact, low volume or medium volume player in
terms of touches, but a high impact player every time
he touches the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Right, Yeah, He's not a workhorse. He's not, and McDaniels
doesn't use a workhorse. He's going to be the change
of pace back and that's it's a it's a good
role for him. It goes back to our point about
Stevenson ding to kind of be the guy that they
lean on a little bit more, not as much as
they have in the past, but a little bit more.
I you know, there's there's some fantasy lingo there in
that question. I've been asked this before, like, all right,

(01:06:08):
Travon Henderson, where should he be going in fantasy? Where
said Stevens and going Josh McDaniels is back Patriots players
are now untouchable in fantasy football the way they were
for years and years and years, because every game is
gonna look a little different. There's not necessarily gonna be
unless you're in PPR with that slot receiver. And we
don't even know necessarily who that slot receiver is gonna be.

(01:06:29):
It's probably gonna be Pop Douglas, but it could be
Stefan Diggs. Like, It's just there's gonna be a lot
of variance there.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know if we have a
ton of calls or emails. I think Travon Henderson is
going to touch the ball three hundred times, Like I
don't think that's what the expectation is. I do like
the Achan cop I hadn't really thought of that one, because.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
I think Travon quite that fast. No, And I think Travon.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Henderson has a little bit more to offer as a
true ballcarrier like h N's a true space player. He's
true a guy that's getting out out on the edges
or getting the ball in space. As a receiver, I
think Travon Henderson has a little bit more of a
chance to run the ball between the tackles.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
But it's not. It's not a bad comparison. I hadn't
really thought.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Of that one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Ryan is in Virginia. What's up, Brian?

Speaker 9 (01:07:17):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
Can you guys hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Yes? Go for it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
I had a fun off season topic for you guys.
One of my favorite aspects of sports is when coaches
think outside the box, and Belichick was really great at that.
For example, you know, having schooler having a running start
for blocked field goals, or doing the whole eligible and

(01:07:42):
eligible receivers against the Ravens. And so I've had an
idea for an outside the box method for field goal
blocking that it's going to sound like a joke, but
I would actually ask that you guys honestly take it
seriously and tell me why wouldn't work. So I got

(01:08:03):
this from an article a little while ago back when
Taco Fall was on the Celtics, but I know where
this is. The idea was, why not take someone of
Taco falls stature, So this huge, like seven foot tall dude,
put him, line him up over the center on field
goal blocking unit and just have him put his hands

(01:08:25):
up to block every field goal.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
We've had somebody that's been listening to Alex and I
for years going back to sal Are you the same
person that has been listening to us for years that
have has come up with this concept.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
Well, no, I actually know, to be fair, that person
that I know, that guy wanted to do it on defense.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Ye like to pass the defensive Ryan. I'm sorry, I'm
not teasing that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
We're not the reason it wouldn't work. Maybe on like
really long kicks, if you want a roster guy just
to block fifty yard kicks, the trajectory on that ball,
it gets up really really quickly, and you might again
it might be a factor in the fifty plus range.
Most kicks inside of forty are still going to be,

(01:09:13):
you know, out of range of that guy. Usually when
field goals get blocked from that range, it's about a
protection breakdown and the guy who blocks it gets into
the backfield. You don't see many short kicks block at
the line of scrimmage like that. So even a guy
it's a foot taller or half a foot taller than
a lot of these guys that are blocking these kicks
isn't gonna make a difference. The other thing is Taco

(01:09:33):
falls tall, but he's very skinny. It still takes a
couple like the operation time, it's gonna be about two
seconds by the time the ball gets the line of scrimmage.
If that guy doesn't have a sturdy base, the long
snappers is gonna come up and push him over, like
just knock him on his ass.

Speaker 11 (01:09:50):
Gotcha?

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
Okay, I still believe that it would work, but I'll
trust you guys on this.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
It would. It would work the longer field goals, like
if you're if you're getting into that fifty plus range
where the trajectory has to be lower, and then you
also you are getting in the conversation, but are you
going to keep a guy? Are you going to dedicate
one or fifty three spot to be basically your designated
field goal blocker on kicks of fifty plus yards. College
football would absolutely do something like this, And maybe this

(01:10:17):
is more of a college thing where the rosters are
bigger and the kickers aren't as good. In the NFL,
it would work in certain scenarios. It's just you're talking
about maybe seven or eight plays a year, and are
you going to keep a guy on the roster for
seven or eight plays over the course of seventeen games?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Make an actium on game day?

Speaker 5 (01:10:35):
Right all right before I go, and I'll take this
off air, but just curious if either of you have
your own outside the box ideas for how NFL teams
could change what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
But thanks guys, Thanks Ran, thanks for the colling. I
didn't mean to tease you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
But Alison, I know there was this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
He was insistent that he had solved football. He would
get mad and us dead set on it that we
weren't bringing it to Bill. But that wasn't about field goal.
It does make more sense on field goals.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
His thing defensive remembers the defensive center seven footer to
stand at the line of scrimmage, and his idea was
like the range of motion would limit where the quarterback
could throw. But again it goes back to the point,
you got to get a guy that he can't just
be seven too. He has to be seven to at
least three bills, because if you put a guy like
Taco fall out, there is more frail. Again, the center's
just gonna come up and just flick him back and

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knock them backwards.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
So that guy was he he was and he would
be coming at us in the comments on the YouTube
chats and on Twitter too, and on Twitter and insisting
that and this is not even that it makes a difference,
but this is before I even work for the team,
and he wanted me us to take this to Bill
Belichick and like it's insane.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
I'm not employed by an NFL team, blah blah. So
but that was the whole other thing. My so, my
idea has been done. I for years and years and
years and years wondered why teams didn't use a fakeney
and then the Patriots did it and Super Bowl fifty one.
It obviously didn't work well. I mean, they gained a
lot of guards, but fake knee so at the end
of half you're about to run it out, or maybe

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the way the Patriots use is at the end of regulation,
but the game is going overtime, Like you see the
defense let up all the time. Either have the quarterbacks
start to go down and then bootleg or toss it
back to a running back or whatever. Usually when you
do the knee, who's the guy behind the quarterback? You
know how that role is picked?

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Matthew Slater was it for years?

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
I don't know, So do you know how that's usually picked?
Maybe some teams do it a little differently, best tackler. No, No,
Traditionally it's your fastest player fastest because all those Slater
makes sense in this context because you go back to
the original miracle at the Metal Lands herm Edwards right
scooping the ball. You want somebody that if there's a
bad snap and the defense picks it up, who's going

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to do the best job of chasing down the guy
who picks up the ball. So, yes, fastest player with
an ability to tackle it, I guess would be the
caveat on. That's Matthew Slater obviously makes all the sense
in the world for that role. But I have somebody
back there as fast right, start to go down to
that knee and then just flip the ball backwards and
you know, everybody's all packed in the middle. Let that
guy get around the edge. I always wanted to see

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a fake knee, and I saw one, and I think
it's been done like two or three other times since.
End of the half, especially if it's like the other
team scores, you get the ball back off a kickoff,
everybody's just kind of mentally like, all right, there's one
second left, were going into the half. You can catch
them sleeping. The fake knee. That's what I want to see.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
So this is starting to come on a little bit.
The teams are starting to do this a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Basically, my guy Ben Johnson is at the forefront of
this in the Detroit Lions. The lateral as a design
within a play on offens not just like ye yes,
but like the hooking ladder you think of like the
Miami Miracle, and then you're doing it in a situation
where you I'm talking about this just in the run

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of play being more of a thing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
The hook and ladder used to be like a normal play.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
I really feel like there's tons of yards being left
on the field simply out of fear of catastrophic turnovers happening.
But if you're a team like the Lions, and I
would say the Chiefs have done it with Travis Kelce
quite a bit too, because he used to play quarterback
and he's got a decent arm. If you have the
khones to do it, and you have the cohesion to

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do it, and you practice well enough and all that
kind of stuff, a team that really can do it
like they do it overseas in rugby and do it
at a high level could really change the game like
that could really make a huge impact on the game.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
It would also being a nightmare for fantasy football, which
I would love yep.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
But it's just a nightmare for defenses. Like you think
you got the guy, but now, like defenses, think about
the defense reaction to it. Now, the defense is gonna
have to like in rugby, you're gonna have to like
have discipline, yeah, to stay with your guy out wide
and be able to stay with some.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
And then you can't gang tackle, and you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Gang tackle as easily.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
And it's essentially after the catch, after the ball is
down the field, whether it's a runner, it's a pass play,
I guess, but after the ball's passed the line of scrimmage, ye,
there just seems to be a lot of untapped potentials there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
You want to draw plays up after the catch, yes,
because right now it's okay, like you draw up the
routes the balls caught, and then it's just right you
want to drop Okay, the ball is gonna be caught,
and then you guys need to be here and go
here and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Yeah, and the Lions have done this, like the Lions
are already doing it or you know, more.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
It's kind of similar when the Patriots would run that
double screen back in the day, like the double pass. No,
not the double pass.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
But they would pass it out to some one.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
Side and all the linemen would pull against the initial
screen and then you'd have James White all the way
on the other sideline catching the ball with all five
linemen in front of them, and you'd basically create what
was essentially a gap run play starting outside the numbers. Yes,
with the defense looking the other way like that. How
about and this this comes this is done in college.

(01:16:05):
I want to see it in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Like I say, when we're thinking about the lateral thing first, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
I'm really interested to see if it translates in Chicago
because the always the conversation about this when it gets
brought up, are the two teams that do it with
any kind of frequency, or the Chiefs and the Lions,
who are two of the best teams in the league,
two are the best coach teams in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Just really buttoned.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Up on the details with both those teams. So the
question is is can a bad team do it? Because
if it's only teams that can master it because they
have great practice habits, and they have great culture and
they're great teams like the Lions and the Chiefs are.
Then you can't have a team like the Jaguars or
the team like the Titans or the Patriots of the

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last couple of years. I mean, granted, we literally saw
this and it wasn't supposed to happen, but in Vegas,
Jacobe Meyers was the bad, catastrophic version of what we're
going at here. Yeah, and so if if you can't
pull it off with lesser talent like Ben Johnson's gonna
have in Chicago, then it can't be something that takes
over the entire league. It's just not gonna be relevant.

(01:17:09):
But if he can take some of those hooking ladder
style plays and he can get the Bears roster to
execute those, yeah, now you can tell you can tell
you can't all thirty two teams can do it. If
that team can do it, and that's not I'm not
trying to take a shot at the Bears, but like,
that's a team has much less roster talent than the
Detroit Lions. So if they can still pull off some

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of these trick plays that Ben Johnson has the Lions
running over the last couple of years. It's great, well,
it's great look for Ben Johnson, but it also just
means that there is untapped potentially, there's more meat on
the bone for all thirty two teams to be doing
stuff like this, whether it's throwing to eligible offensive linemen,
or it's hooking ladders, or it's reverses or whatever the
case may be. So I want to see that, and

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this would be next level. But I love this idea
of it too. If this starts to catch on a
little bit, then a smart team or smart teams will
hire a coach and put a coach from Rugby on
their coaching staff. Sure, and then you can start teaching
how to later all the ball correctly and teach the
scheme and the x's and o's of it as well.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
So if we want to take this to another level,
the other thing you can do that would adjust team building.
Go out and get some athletic offensive linemen, because if
you're doing this, you don't need to hit on as
many deep throws. You maybe don't need your pass protection
to be able to hold up as long. And now
you can work linemen into the mix with this, and
you can have all eleven players that threat to touch
the ball. So this was going to go to my

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other thing. And this is coming from college, like this
is done in college and not in the NFL. More
plays where linemen are eligible to catch the football. You
had Tyler Warren this year line up at center, snap
the ball and catch the touchdown. Like offensive linemen right
now are more athletic than they've ever been. And this

(01:18:57):
goes back to Ben Johnson, right pinay Seul. They would
get him involved in the offense, touching the football and
carrying the football. Maybe it's through laterals, Maybe it's through
some of the old Bill Belichick, Josh McDaniel's unbalanced lines.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Things like that tackle. The thing that they did against
Baltimore was written out of the rule book, right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
I thought it was no.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
I think they just changed the way players declare eligibility.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
I'm pretty sure the Ravens raised to stink about it, and.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
They get Ray to stink about it. I think the
play itself is still legal. There's just more done to
let you know that the alignment is different from the refs.
If I might be wrong, but no, but things like
that were like get and if you're gonna do laterals
Like let's say you throw a quick slant right and
now you have your left tackle come off his block
and pull the outside, and maybe you have a really

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athletic left tackle. So the wide receiver's coming on the slant,
the tackle comes back the other way, you flip it
back to him, and now maybe this big guy can rumble.
And if you have him coming to the outside, who's
gonna be out there waiting for him? Corners or nobody
or nobody. But let's say you get six six, three
ten pound Will Campbell, who ran a sub five forty,
matched up with the slot corner in the open field. Like,

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you can't do this all the time, but you pull
that out two or three times a year.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
I'm telling you, I don't think it's totally crazy to
think that this is the future of offensive fove It's
it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
It's interesting, all right. Give me a defensive and it's
harder to do with defense. Give me a defensive.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
It's harder to do with defense. I don't know, So
I personally would hate this. Defense is harder, so offense.
There's so many creative things you can do. Defense is harder.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
So I personally would hate this. But I wonder, like
I've had thoughts of maybe things going this way, and
you wouldn't play this way every play, it would be
a package or packages. I do feel like we're getting
towards a point where an option on defense is gonna
be We're gonna have a bunch of guys that are
from like five ten to six four, two hundred to

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two hundred and forty pounds, and that's gonna be all
eleven players positionless, just positionless defense. And you know what
you're seeing the evolution of the box safety, overlapping with
the linebacker, overlapping with the slot corner, or you know,
third and lawn. Do you maybe you have a deep
safety and then you just have ten of those guys
and anybody can do anything, and anybody can come from anywhere.

(01:21:10):
You would need to really, I mean, the team, It
would start with the team building, because you're not you
can't just pull any random guy to do that. You're
gonna have to go out and find some really unique
individuals in terms of their physical skill set. But I
do wonder if that's on the timeline that we're gonna
get to a point where a team's gonna have a
defensive package where it's essentially eleven kind of hybrid box safety, linebacker,

(01:21:36):
slock corner, edge rusher type guys. You tell me the
player in the league that this is like eleven Fred Warners.
Obviously that sounds insane because Fred Warner is one of one, right,
but you get what I'm saying. Eleven guys that are
just sort of athletes that are just sort of freak
apex athletes, and everybody's doing a little bit of everything,
and you're trying to win as much on disguise as

(01:21:56):
you are actual a building.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
That's a better session than I would have off the
top of my head.

Speaker 10 (01:22:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
And I like defensive much more about scheme innovation, I
would say, than it is about and I know that
that give.

Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
Me, give me, give me scheme, and so this is
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Defense though, is like everything with defense is so reactive
to what the offense is doing, and it's so cyclical
based off of what the offense is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
The defense.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
I would love for for defense to be able to
get on the front foot and like have something that
actually took offenses by surprise instead.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
Of a reaction that what Brian Flores is doing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Maybe I don't know, like Brian Flores is doing like
Amoba stuff and and like ghost pressures and thing.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
It's like, this is where our guy that used to
comment at us and get mad at us, he had
a he had an idea for this too, not just
the defensive four was it was have three guys and
it didn't make sense and it wouldn't have worked. But
I remember this one too. He was like, the blitz
should be an offensive velossity, not Defensivelosphy have three players
blitz one lineman and then two guys are bound to

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get through. Okay, so it wouldn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Well, it does well, but they have that they have
They have trail blitzer or follow blitzer is the Patriots
actually run them a lot, or did with Belichick, where
you'd have one guy through and his job was basically
just to occupy the first guy, and then somebody would
follow right behind his butt and right off his hip
and go right in the into the same exact gap.

Speaker 8 (01:23:17):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
They call them, you know, follow blitzer or or trail blitzes. Uh,
you know whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
And you know, defensively, right now, I feel like defensively,
we're in a really cool evolution state with Fangio and
and pattern matching really taking over, I.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
Think or defense ahead of offenses right now, A little bittmatically.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Like so well, I would say they're ahead, but they
have essentially they have adapted so to Shanahan and to
the West Coast.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
So this is what it's all cyclical, right The offense
has an innovation and it kind of dominates for year two,
and then the defense figures out how to crack it,
and then you know, remember last year at the beginning,
everybody's complaining that there wasn't enough scoring, and then there'll
be a new offensive innovation. I feel like we're on
the defensive side of the cycle right now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
So Fangio and look, pattern matching goes back to Bill
and Saban in the nineties. So I want to give
Belichick and Saban in their credit. They're the first ones
that truly invented pattern matching coverage.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
You know, the greatest pro in college coach of all time,
no big deal.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Fangio has taken it to the next level though, with
like things like palms and stuff like that. But Belichick
and I actually got a really good answer from Belichick
one of my early good questions on the beat when
maybe there was hope for me as a question. Ask
her to Bill and he said, oh, you know, we
could write a book about this. But if I remember
it correctly, and I don't remember which one it was,

(01:24:39):
one of them was from a zone background and one
of them was from a man background.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
And what they ended up doing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
They were facing the Pittsburgh Steelers a lot in Cleveland,
and they were a Cover three defense in Cleveland, a
Cover three spot drop zone, and Cleveland Pittsburgh was just
absolutely torching the Browns with four which is so silly.
It's like the basic play. It's the most basic play
in football. Four vertical routes right up the field. But

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if you think about it, you have three deep coverage guys.
How are you covering four vertical routes with only three guys? Right,
Someone's gonna be open, so they're killing him with four verts.
So Bill and Saban got together and they really put
together the first iteration of pattern matching, and with their

(01:25:27):
simple at the simplest form of pattern matching, you are
carrying vertical routes like it's manson man coverage, and you're
passing off underneath routes, so you know there'll be a depth,
you know, six yards, eight yards. I believe Saban goes
at eight where you make that determination as a defender, Yeah,
at eight yards, is he declaring up the field or
is he breaking? If he's breaking, you're passing it like

(01:25:49):
a zone. If he's running up the field, you're carrying
it like it's Manton Man coverage. And that way there,
the slot corner, especially in Cleveland, became the fourth high guy.
Right now you had four guys high, so you could
cover over the top of four vertical routes. Then became
that started in Cleveland. Then rip Liz comes Rip Liz

(01:26:09):
is what is Saban's thing? That's he's really considered the
godfather of riple is coverage, which is again some pattern
matching man like like a man match pattern match coverage,
and it's just the riple is is about the safeties,
like which way are you rotating left or you rotating right?
That's how you get rip or right Liz left. That's

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how that's broken down. It's all determined by the receivers,
like do they run under or do they run over?

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
You know, do they run up? I should say?

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Then Fangio comes in and Fangio starts running what what
most people call palms, which is a quarters based coverage,
and it's it's pattern matching but from quarters based structure,
so four deep over the top, and essentially all it's
doing is allowing defenders to cancel out routes, like you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
Have number one.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
If number one runs an out under, but if number
one runs vertical, then you move on to number two
and then you whoever is the first guy into your zone,
you're kind of taking right. So that in a lot
of ways has caught up to these McVeigh, shanahan, McDaniel,
Like that tree, uh, you know the floor in Green Bay.

(01:27:27):
That was the answer to all of those types of things.
So where do they go now is probably back to
an answer of how do they now adjust to Fangio's defense?
Like how do the offensive guys right adjust to Fangio's defense.
With Fangio's defense, you're really covering receivers at a zone

(01:27:48):
instead of windows. You know, when you spot drop, you're
covering windows of the field, whereas when you man to
man you're covering a specific body. So it'd be interesting
to see how they're able to do that. But that's
when I look at defensive football. I always think about
it in that respect, it's always reactionary. I don't know
if there is a something that is forward thinking that

(01:28:10):
a defense could possibly do to react to an offense.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
It would be cool to think of.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Maybe some of the listeners have some ideas, but we
can get back to the phones. We have some emails
as well, and this is a good one from Dylan.
He has a little are you happy with this season?
If this is a stat line for this player? So
tell me if you're happy with this for Drake May
forty one hundred yards, thirty touchdowns, sixteen picks. Are you

(01:28:38):
happy with that season?

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
Again, I'm going to put the fumbles in there too.
If there's lost fumbles on top of sixteen picks, that's
the turnover number is still very high. I wouldn't be
unhappy with it, but I there'd still be a way
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
You know me, I'm happy with it. I'm happy with
it because when I see forty one hundred yards and
thirty touchdowns, the high ends are there. And I understand
you're thinking on that, but this is quarterbacking.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
Call it sixteen turnovers and not sixteen interceptions, and I'd
be very happy with that. That's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
So this one, I'd be over the moon if Kyle
Williams puts up these numbers. Kyle Williams sixty catches, six
hundred and fifty yards, five touchdowns, great, I'd be over
the start if he puts up that kind.

Speaker 4 (01:29:19):
Of I'd like him to be better down the road.
But that's a solid rookie season.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
That's that's over the five to five to five club.

Speaker 10 (01:29:25):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
If you're over that, that means you're on your way
to being a really good receiver in the league. Keon
White seven sacks, thirty five tackles, ten tackles for loss.

Speaker 4 (01:29:33):
Yeah, that'd be solid season.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
I'm not so happy with that one.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
I'd be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Wasn't he right around seven sacks last year because he
had all those sacks at the beginning of the season.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
Yeah, well are they How are they distributed? If he
has seven sacks in the five last year?

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
So not quite.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
If he has seven sacks in the first like four
weeks and then does nothing after that, that would be
kind of disappointing, But that would be fine. I think
the ceilings should be higher for him in this defense.
I do, Yeah, I do. He's gonna be able to
play more aggressively the production. I think the production is
going to be higher for him.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
On a full back question, yes, where do you rank
James Devil and the greatest fullbacks of all time? He
says this is from Jonathan He says, Mike all Stott's
number one?

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
But where well, I mean, how are we doing this?
Because Jim Brown was technically a fullback like true fullbacks,
like the Lee blocking full back you're talking about. So
we're not including like Larry Zonka here, No, okay, Mike
allsought his number one, Lorenzo O'Neil is number two.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
Who else? Who else is in there? Oh? What was
it on the uh? Oh Larry Centers?

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
I was gonna say, what do you mean? Who else
is in there? Not even gonna name your boy Larry Centers.

Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
Well, because I'm thinking of blockers since we're doing that
little those those are the top three to me. After that,
Vante Leeches up there, Tony Richardson's up there. He's definitely
in the top ten. I don't know that he's in
the top five.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Yeah, a lot of these listen, I'm quickly pulling up
here have like you know, Larry Zanka, Jim Brown, Frank o'harris,
which were like they were they were like what was
that word? It was a different word back in the day.
They're fullbacks. But because of their alignments. I guess do
you think Darryl back? No, Daryl Johnson, I think is
the same kind of thing, right.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
Oh, Sam Gas? I actually don't know. I don't remember
that much about Sam Gash.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
John Couhon remember John john Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
It was good patriot for a second, was he m?
I thinking that Danny vitally like Mike Tolbert to me,
was a running back. Mike Tolvert was a running back
like Lorenzo.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
Neil was a true fullback with Danny and Thomasin's lead blocker,
like that was a true Who.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
Is the John Kuhn was not a Patriot? Wasn't? Did
Sam get I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
I feel like the Cowboys had one.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
But Sam Gash, from what I know, was a very
good player, and he blocked for some great running backs.
He blocked for Curtis Martin. Yep, he blocked for Jamal Lewis.
I think was he there when Lewis said no? That
would have been after him when Lewis set the single
game rushing record. Sam Gash is up there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Who was someone was? Was it Lorenzo Neil? Did he
move on to Minnesota to block for Adrian Peterson for
a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
I think that was Vonte Leach.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
I remember the the Vikings having a good one for
Adrian Peterson there for a second.

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
I'll look it up. No, Lorenzo Neil was Saints, Jets, Box, Titans, Bengals, Chargers, Ravens.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Okay, I don't know who it was then, but I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
He might be in the top ten. They there's some
like all time great stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
So I believe the one I'm thinking of, and I
this is truly showing my age here because I can't
even I don't know Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
No, the one I was thinking of Richard Okay, who
you're thinking of?

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
The one in Dallas Darryl Johnson who blocked was the
Smith's leader.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
Yeah, but I think he also, I think he was
more in that Larry Zonka, like I think he carried
the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Could amount okay, but yeah, those were Those are some
other ones in the annals of NFL history.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
James Devlin's better than some of those guys at Frankly,
I didn't watch a ton of those guys is before
my time, but I would say, you know, it was
Devon's in the I think conversation. I think he was
the best fallback of his era.

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
Now, there were only so many fallbacks during that time,
and that might be part of it. But I mean
the golden age for like the lead blocking fullback is
the late nineties, in early two thousands, All Stott is
the Apex. Lorenzo O'Neil is up there. Larry Centers was
not a traditional fallback, but he's up there. But Larry
Center should be a Pro Football Hall of Famer. I
mean what he did as a receiver. Nobody was catching

(01:33:38):
the ball out of the backfield like Larry Centers until
he did, and nobody did it for about ten years
after he got it. Literally, there were no thousand yard
receiving backs until Larry Centers, and then I think it
was another six or seven years before the Danny Tomlinson
did it. And I think the only guys that have
done it since are McCaffrey and Matt Forte. Sneaky underrated player.

(01:33:59):
Matt FORTEO is he sneaky?

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
I feel like.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
I mean, I don't think he's gonna be a Hall
of Famer. No, but so have you've seen this guy.
It started as a baseball thing, and now there's a
basketball one. This is big on social media. The Hall
of Very Good.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
To me, that's just a team Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
Well, no, this guy started this thing where he like
actually has people vote for the Hall of Very Good
and the players like acknowledge it. It's very fun. Matt
Forte is a first ballot Hall of Very Good player.
I don't think he's a Hall of Famer, but he
had won.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Se Forte is a Chicago Bears Hall of Famer.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
He had five thousand yard season, should have had six.
He was three yards short one year. Oh, he never
had a thousand yard receiving season. Eight is one hundred
catch seasons. That's what did have one hundred catch season
as a back for Chicago in twenty fourteen. Like, I
don't know, I don't think it's not And there were
so many good running backs in that era. I don't
think he gets enough credit. I don't know that he's

(01:34:52):
Hall of Famer, but I don't think he gets enough credit.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
To me, Hall of Very Good is just what the
team Hall of Fame is for. That's how you honor
those types of well Matt Forte is because that's like a.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
Patriots fans. How do we as Patriots fans recognize Matt Forte? Then?

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Family, you really you need to recognize Matt fourt.

Speaker 4 (01:35:12):
That's what I'm saying. It should he should be more recognized.
Is a good player. Yes, that's my whole point.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
You're gonna die, You're You're really it's killing you that
you can't recognize Matt Fote's greatness.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
That the generic football fan who's not a Bears fan can't. Yes,
I think he'll be all right, that's the whole point.
I think he'll Paul very good.

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
Here's a question from Stevie Steve Steve to be exact. Yeah,
he asks, Uh, what will you need to see from
the offensive line in training camp to feel confident going
into the season.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
I don't. I don't think there's an answer to that.
I gotta see it in the preseason. I don't even
if they're good in the preseason. I'm just so at
this point I need to see real results. I don't
know if that's a cop out answer, Evan, you tell
me but like, I.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
Don't know, because like it's so vanilla in the preseason
in terms of what they're throwing at you schematically, and
so you're not really getting into all the different pressures
that you're gonna see in a regular season game, especially
on third down. In the preseason, some coaches will turn
it up, you know, Wake Martindale used to get on
Bill's nerves for turning it up.

Speaker 4 (01:36:10):
I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
But some coaches would turn it up in preseason. But
for the most part, you're looking at some pretty vanilla stuff.
And I would say, though in general, even though it's
not quite I'm not gonna anoint him off of it,
but I am really looking forward to seeing Will Campbell
on film because it's hard in these practices to of course,

(01:36:32):
the spring is thrown out.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
I mean, you're not in pads.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
But even when they get into pads and you're watching practice,
it's hard to break down the offensive line in practice.
It's a lot of moving parts. Things are flying all
over the place, like you just can't really see it
as well. So if you watch the film in the
three preseason games, let's say he plays two or three
of two and a half three or whatever, for Will Campbell.
If you watch that in Will Campbell's it looks the part,

(01:36:57):
it passes the eye test, moves well, all those types
of things. If he's at least blocking one on one
at a really good level, I'm gonna feel a little
bit better. But I don't think that you can really,
especially on the interior, when you're gonna see so many
different pressures and so many different looks on the interior.
The outside is you're getting an edgeresher out there one

(01:37:18):
way or another, Like, it's not really, that's not really
where the spicy stuff happens. The spicy stuff happens inside
with the stunts and the gaming and the sim pressures
and all that kind of that. That stuff typically comes
from the inside. So that's gonna be hard to see
its center at guard, left guard, like how are they
handling that tackle? You can see if Will Campbell can
survive on an island in the preseason. I don't know

(01:37:39):
about the interior spots. This is a good question here
that keeps getting asked, but I might as well keep
answering it. Michael, in Tucson, we have a lot of
Patriots fans in Arizona. I've noticed that in Tucson, have
you discussed traveon Henderson's contract status. So Trayvon Henderson along

(01:38:00):
with thirty other second round picks, thirty of the thirty
two and.

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
The second exceptions of the top two picks, yeah, are
unsigned currently on thirty six to whatever, sixty four.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
Do not have contracts. So is the guaranteed money versus
eighty percent or another percent something that we can see.
So basically he's asking like how much guaranteed money? So
typically for second round picks who typically see three out
of the four years guaranteed on their rookie contract, towards
the end of the second round, maybe team start to
get a little bit looser with it and it's more
like two and a half, but it's typically three out

(01:38:32):
of four years. The problem is, thank you Nick Assario
and the Houston Texans, they gave Jenden Higgins a fully
guaranteed contract all four years, fully guaranteed like a first
round pick.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
So now the rest of the second.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
Round in the Browns did that with Carson Swag and Show.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
So everybody's holding out now for fully guaranteed contracts in
the second round. My guess is that this gets settled
with top fifty picks getting the fully guaranteed deals. If
you're if you're the sixtieth pick in the draft, I
don't think you're going to get it. I don't think
you're gonna be able to win that negotiation. Travon Henderson
might have a case. He might have a case.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
Here's the other interesting variable when it comes to Henderson. Well,
there's that side of it. Although he is a running
back to ahead of him in Quinn Shawn Judkins, who
plays for the Browns, who already gave Carson Sweginger a
fully guaranteed contract, who's a linebacker, which is another devalued position.
So that's gonna Helph because he's gonna be able to
say quin John Judkins got a fully guaranteed contract two

(01:39:26):
picks after Travion Henderson. You mentioned the cutoff being a
top fifty. Two picks after Travon Henderson, the New Orleans
Saints took Tyler Shuck, who's probably gonna be their starting quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Yeah, so funny.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
He has all the leverage in the world to get
the fully guaranteed contract.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Tyler Shuck got drafted in the second round because he
made that one like under like underhand throw in the
in the red zone touchdown that made the rounds all
throughout draft season, and he got drafted on that one throw.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
And because he's already an adult, so there's less development time,
even though he's not developing in a.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Much I have I have a question about that. Finish
your point.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
So, Trey Van Henderson, I think anybody who's ahead of
Tyler Shuck is going to be waiting for Tyler Schuck
to sign. Tyler Shuck to me's the domino. He's got
to sign first. And then once he signs, because then
all the guys that are picked ahead of him, and
I don't care these quarterback he's picked after me, I
should get a full guaranteed contract and then we'll see
what happens after him. I think that's more where the
cutoff is, you know, top fifty. Certainly there's just that

(01:40:29):
sort of objective top fifty pick, but Tyler Shuck's the
variable here. We got to see what happens with Tyler Shock.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
So he brought up an interesting point about Tyler Shuck
and how old he is.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
He's like thirty, right or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
Comic Tyler Shuck's first year in college with Joe Burrow's
first year.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
I'm like, only kind of half joking, he's like twenty
seven or twenty six.

Speaker 4 (01:40:49):
I think he's going to be a twenty six year
old rookie turns so in September.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Tyler Schuck's the extreme.

Speaker 4 (01:40:55):
But you also have back when Tyler Shuck began his
college career, Tom Brady was a five time Super Bowl champion.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
You also have Jaden Daniels, who was a six year
player in college. Younger younger player than Shuck, but a
six year player in college. Now, some of this was
forced on the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:41:09):
Jade Daniels for two years behind Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Some of this is forced on the NFL by COVID
mainly pushing everybody back, but also now with NIL there's
not as much incentive for these guys to rush to
the league. I just wonder, is the NFL, not necessarily
with Tyler Shuck's of the world, but with Jayden Daniels specifically,
is the NFL now going to pivot with quarterback and

(01:41:33):
say we need to go back to evaluating quarterbacks that
are coming into the league with legitimate starter experience, like
fifty college starts like Jaden Daniels level of experience.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
Cut off usually like twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
Yeah, Parcels had that thing right where we had like
these thresholds for this The reason why I asked this,
and I hope that your two for Drake Ma Goo's
incredibly well. But there's no doubt that it ended up
panning out the way that we thought with Jaden Daniels
being the most pro ready quarterback and Kalb and Drake

(01:42:08):
May looking toolsy, looking flashy, and with a ton of potential.
But if Caleb Williams just kind of flames out let's
call it in Chicago after a rough rookie year, and
Drake May doesn't necessarily rise, would we look at evaluating
quarterbacks and go and say the guys that have been
in college for a long time might actually have more

(01:42:31):
value because they're ready to step in and hit the
ground running right away. Because I think in the past,
and this I remember talking about this with the mac
Jones draft, Mack was the more pro ready quarterback, but
everybody knew that his ceiling wasn't as high as some
of the other guys, but thought that he had a
higher floor. So usually when you have like the true
junior declare like a Kleb Williams or Drake. May you

(01:42:53):
think that they have this higher ceiling because they're younger
and they've already reached a certain level and they have
more runway to get better better, But could we really
see it go the other way with Jayden Daniels being
really the poster child for it, where now all of
a sudden the experience comes back into play because it
used to be that way.

Speaker 4 (01:43:09):
I think so, especially since the college game and pro
game are so similar for quarterbacks now offensively and you're
seeing more of the spread stuff come to the NFL
that there's less of that translation that you're just gonna
teams want to feel more comfortable to know what they're getting,
and you're gonna know what you're getting with the guy
that has more starts.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
It used to be that way.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
That that was, you know, the real the senior, you know,
the guy that's a three four year starters of parcels
his thresholds and his you know rule of thumbs for
quarterbacks or rules to draft quarterbacks. Three year starter, yeah,
twenty three wins, and then he had some like statistical

(01:43:50):
yeah thresholds, right, I think it was like two to
one or three to one. Interception touchdown interception and like
things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:57):
Well, you look at the guys so for instance.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
And it must be senior. It was another one, so
mus be a senior.

Speaker 4 (01:44:03):
You look at a guy like this year in Fernando Mendoza,
who was the quarterback of Cal. He just transferred. He'll
he'll be at Indiana this year's at Cal the last
two years. Fernando Mendoza is not the most eye popping
quarterback prospect. He's a big guy, six five two twenty five.
He's got the size, but like, he's not the most mobile.

(01:44:23):
He doesn't have the biggest arm. Like they're good, they're
NFL caliber, but I don't know that he is. He
doesn't have that one wow trait. Right, He's just solid.
He's a solid college quarterback. Guys like that are usually second, third,
fourth round picks. I mean he's by the way, he's uh,
he's gonna turn twenty two years old this season, so
he'll be a twenty three year old rookie like guys
like that. He's his second third round picks. Has pulled

(01:44:45):
up our little consensus board number seven. You know why,
he's polished, he's proven. This is gonna be his third
essentially full year as a starter. He started nine games
of twenty twenty three, got hurt late in the year,
but like started nine games of twenty three, eleven games
last year led caldo winning record. If you can do
the same thing in Indiana this year in the Big Ten, Like,

(01:45:07):
that's not a guy that was gonna get a ton
of attention a couple of years ago. And look, maybe
he'll bought him out and suck, but like, if he
is a decent season, he's gonna get looks because he's
just a known commodity.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
I just wonder if value. You know, like a guy
like Drake May.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
Caleb was a three year starter because he started a
lot at Oklahoma, Yeah, and then he started two years
at USC. Drake May was a two year starter at
North Carolina. You know, Sam Howell was the starter and
then he was the starter for two years. The guys
like Garrett ness Meyer is going to be a two
year starter, right because Jayden Daniels was the starter and
then ness Meyers started last year and then he'll start
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
What's the kid from Clemson Kate Club?

Speaker 8 (01:45:43):
Nick?

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
Yeah, I have my own reservations about Kate Club, but
they're separate from this.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
He but is he a multi year starter?

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
So that mel Kiper has him high in his like
way too early mock drafts, And I wonder if that's.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
Why, Well, how exactly these dabbo quarterbacks panned out is
a bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
Vesial Well, de Shaun Watson was pretty good before he.

Speaker 4 (01:46:00):
Since then, Yeah, Kate club Nick has started twenty seven
games over the last two year.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
So he'd fit this mold. What was the sec kid?

Speaker 4 (01:46:08):
Was he not Smyer? No, there's another guy, Lenora Sellers. Yes,
Leonora's Sellers is gonna be interesting. Yeah, because he is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Then obviously there's Arch who we'll see if he declares.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
Did you see Paul fine Bob said? Arch Manning is
gonna be the best college quarterback since Tim Tebow.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
I mean it's Paul fine bamb.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
It's a ridiculous take he has that includes Cam Newton.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
He has ridiculous takes.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
And that that's an all timer. I do like I'm
interested in Lenora's Sellers. I'm interested. I'm not saying he's good.
I'm just saying I'm interested. Toolsy, I assume very toolsy. Yeah,
incredibly like the guy's fearless he's so fun to watch
play quarterback, and it works for him. Now is it
going to continue to work for him now there's more

(01:46:53):
tape on him, that's kind of the question. But he's six'
three two, forty he's got a big, arm he's a smart.
Kid he takes risks like he. Cares he's got a
lot of the. Tools it's just he's only started one.
Year he's. Young he he just turned. Twenty he's gonna be,
like he's gonna play this season a twenty years. Old

(01:47:14):
so we'll see if he comes. Out he might stay another,
year but there's there's a lot there to, like we'll
see if it all comes. Together kind of LIKE Dj.
Lagway lagway's a little more physically impressive real. Quick you
want the quarterbacks that were In Tyler shuck's recruiting, class
this is the twenty eighteen class. Ranking Trevor, LAWRENCE i
think is on his THIRD nfl, contract, Right Justin field's

(01:47:34):
THIRD nfl, TEAM Jt, Daniels Bus tanner, McKey, BUSS i
don't even know Who Justin rodgers, IS Dtr Jaron, Williams Matt,
Corral Tyler. Shuck that was the top of that. Class Corral.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
IS i don't even know if he's.

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
On he is tearing up THE. Uflu phil Dr kovic
is in. Here Em Marie, jones if you remember Every
jones might still be in.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
College i'm very. Interested tan AND i went touchdowns in a.
Game i'm very interested to see where this heads. With you,
know all this stuff you were talking To scheme. Earlier
all this stuff is so cyclical in terms of scouting as.
Well Jaden daniel's success in the league and immediate success
in the league as an, adult as a twenty four
year old that started for five years in, college six

(01:48:20):
years in. COLLEGE i just wonder if evaluating quarterbacks starts
to head back into that direction with the Parcels way
three year, starters true senior. Above you, know tons of
experience in, college polished, kids you, know things like. THAT
a couple of the guys THAT i saw on the
list that they they brought up that fit that were
like The, Mannings, Breeze roethlisberger like all throughout that. Era Even,

(01:48:46):
brady you, know didn't have necessarily all the starting EXPERIENCE
i don't, think because he was splitting, time but he
went To michigan for the entire time. Right he was
a four year player At. Michigan so there's a lot
of that type of stuff THAT i was interested.

Speaker 4 (01:48:57):
IN qb thirty four in that, Class Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
Milton here's an email From anthony, says first, off what
an incredible. Analogy season Two Family guy was truly. AMAZING
i can still Hear lois Mocking, peter we'll take the.

Speaker 4 (01:49:13):
Box we'll take the, box sell the boat for a
pair of concert. Tickets so just some people are aware
that scene is a Family guy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Bit it's a Family guy. Bit you probably explained.

Speaker 4 (01:49:24):
This so basically they it's the setup to the. Episode
they get like a thing in the mail that, says
if you go sit through this timeshare, presentation you'll get
a free. Boat and everybody on the street gets, it
and they're, like all, right we'll get a free. Boat
so they. Go they sit through the presentation and it's you,
know you think dumb Cartoon dad is going to buy

(01:49:45):
the time. Share no gets through. It they're sitting in
the office with the salesman and he, goes so can
we get you to sign? Up and he, goes save
me your, trick, salesman where's my? Boat salesman goes, wait
you haven't. Heard you can get the boat or you
can get the mystery. Box it kind of shakes it
in front of him like wo And lois, goes what
are you, Crazy we'll take the, boat And peter, goes,
oh hang, on hang, on hang. On the boat's a,

(01:50:05):
boat but the mystery box could be. Anything it could
even be a. Boat you know how much we've wanted
one of. Those And lois starts saying he cuts her.
Off he, goes we'll take the. Box and then they're
driving home and all their neighbors have their boats and
they're looking at their, boats And lois, goes we'll take the.
Box you trade in a boat for, it and they
end up being tickets to a comedy. Club it's.

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
Amazing, Yeah and so we use that a lot with,
Players LIKE i think we first placed. It the potential
of this player could be it could be. Anything it
could be a, boat you, know but it's specifically when
you're talking about two.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
Players so the first TIME i saw it used like
that was when The titans traded AWAY Aj brown instead
of paying him to Draft Traylon. Burks, yeah that Was
Treylon burks could be. Anything, yeah he could even Be Aj.
Brown you know how much we've wanted a guy LIKE Aj.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
Brown so in this, Email anthony, said with that being,
said you cannot Trade keon for, what As evan pointed,
out we. Aren't when now Like keon flourish with good,
COACHING i believe he will still be a top rusher
in this. League it's a fair. Point they definitely have
a more runway with Ke On.

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
White SO i will say this, though when it comes.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
To that positions could even be a.

Speaker 4 (01:51:09):
Boat and when it comes to that position, specifically the
pushback ANYTIME i use mystery box of the boat is
the other players, younger he's, cheaper, YadA, YadA. YadA. Whatever this,
Staff Mike, Rabel, Terrell William zach kerr. RIGHT i trust
them to develop pass. Rushers, yeah so you Get Trey,
hendrickson who in twenty twenty five is going to be

(01:51:30):
better Than Keon. White and THEN i trust them to
go into the draft next year and find a long term.
OPTION i trust them to find another Key On white
in the. Draft at another, POSITION i might feel differently
and be, like all, right you, know, no you're a young.
Team you want to stick with the youth here, blah blah,
blah WHATEVER i. TRY i trust this staff to go
find a pass. RUSHER i. Do, yeah it's a good.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
Point all, right let's get back to these calls and
wrap up the show. Here but, MAN i literally always
laugh at the family guy. THING i can't help But
i've seen it in a thousand.

Speaker 4 (01:51:58):
Episode was on the other day AND i was, like, oh, oh,
yeah there it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
Is it's just so. Perfect all, Right craig is In South.
Carolina what's? Up, Craig, hey what's?

Speaker 11 (01:52:10):
Up can you hear?

Speaker 8 (01:52:12):
Me?

Speaker 4 (01:52:12):
Yeah go for?

Speaker 11 (01:52:13):
It how you guys doing? Good for some, reason some,
reason the volume went. Down but, anyways to guts on the.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
Mimage thank.

Speaker 11 (01:52:22):
You i've been married thirty three years this, time And
i'm actually involved in some marriage, counseling SO i just
wanted to, say Put god first in, marriage the, weather
the storms for, you and also a good marriage is
too great forgivers to always forgive before.

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
You go to.

Speaker 11 (01:52:43):
Sleep, anyways So i'm gonna take that. Off But i've
got a question about in the off, season all all the,
quarterbacks Like, brady he used to work out With. Edelman,
man let's see there's another one that would work out

(01:53:04):
With but, anyway many many used to work out With Marvin.
Harrison So i'm, wondering what what is Uh drake me
doing or is he allowed to work out with some
of his. Receivers that's my.

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
Question, yeah, great thanks for the, call and thanks for
the marriage. Advice that the don't go to bed mad
at each other One I've i've heard a, lot and
that's good. ADVICE i would say that in my very,
young very experienced relationship self can tell you, that, uh the,
yeah he, could he could do. That you know they
have they could have summits or something like. That brady

(01:53:39):
would take his guys To montana right and at his
house In montana and.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
They could do that sort of.

Speaker 4 (01:53:44):
THING i went through last.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
Year, yeah they. Went i'm sure that they have, something you, Know.
Drake congratulations to him as. Well he just got, married
so he's a little.

Speaker 4 (01:53:53):
Busy you just can bond over.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
There, Maybe, uh he's a little busy at the. Moment
SO i understand. That trust, ME i definitely understand. That
SO i don't know if he's necessarily doing that right this,
second but that that's that's totally, Cool like there's no
rules against it at.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
All in THE.

Speaker 3 (01:54:10):
Nfl as long as there's no coaches, present there's no
team personnel present for that, workout the players can do
whatever they. Want they can get together and have a passing.
Summit usually it's a it's the, quarterback or sometimes it's
even a veteran receiver if the quarterback's. YOUNGER i would,
say like a guy Like Kendrick bourne feels like a
type of guy that might do something like that and
put something like that. Together so definitely. POSSIBLE i haven't

(01:54:33):
heard of that happening. Yet LIKE i, Said drake's getting
married or got, married and then you, Know july fourth
is in a couple of, days but maybe afterwards we
might hear about something like.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
That patty is An. Agua what's?

Speaker 6 (01:54:44):
Up?

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
Patty, hey, guys what's going?

Speaker 4 (01:54:47):
On can you hear?

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
Me, okay, yeah we got you all?

Speaker 7 (01:54:50):
Right, sorry hold, on, SORRY i was just climbing off
of a, roof so, okay be. Careful, yeah first, OFF
i wanted to say congrat, seven thank, you and, yeah
the piece of advice of never going.

Speaker 5 (01:55:05):
To that mad as.

Speaker 7 (01:55:06):
Good the other thing is the other big thing that
my wife AND i never. Do we've been married for
over ten. Years we don't fight about. Money we always
seem to come to a.

Speaker 11 (01:55:15):
Compromise you.

Speaker 7 (01:55:17):
KNOW i always try to apply, Logic she always tries
to apply an. Emotion but we meet somewhere in the,
middle which is a good. Thing i'm sorry IF i
if you guys already covered. THIS i wasn't able to
listen to most of the. Show but do you think
with the trade that we saw a couple of days,
ago now we're gonna get you, know how everything happens
in bunches in THE nfl like prid to the twenty

(01:55:38):
twenty two, draft we saw those wide receivers. Traded do
you think we're gonna see a little bit more player
for player, trades you, know within the next couple of,
weeks for like once training camp. Hits nothing, crazy but
just more of what we, saw maybe not as big
of a name As ramsey And john News smith And Minka.
Fitzpatrick And i'll take that out. There and the last

(01:55:59):
thing for, You ali like the when he coming over
to dot com full. Time that's ALL i. Got i'll
talk take it out, there.

Speaker 3 (01:56:04):
Guys, Thanks patty. Appreciated uh you like talking about other
sports too?

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
Much, yeah that's WHAT i can't give. Up you can't
give up YOUR.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
I was the. BEST i can't give up talking about
The Red. Sox you're, there they're testing, that they're.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
Testing SO i don't know if we'll see a flurry
of trades for a player for player.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Now like like today or. TOMORROW i don't. KNOW i
have no, idea but in, GENERAL I i do feel
like we might start seeing that. More in general player
for player trades similarly to like what we see in other.
LEAGUES i do think that those are becoming a little
bit more popular in THE.

Speaker 4 (01:56:40):
Nfl, well some of this because there's less practice time,
now so you miss like the reason that we're never
player for player. Trades like in, baseball you just plug
a guy in the lineup and you tell them to go.
Hit he doesn't need to learn a whole. Playbook you,
know in basketball and hockey it's a little more, involved
but there's not as you're not the systems aren't necessarily
as different in football because there's so much carryover between. Systems,
now it is a little easier to kind of swap

(01:57:02):
player for player into the. Season and we are sort
of into the season right the whole spring install is done,
yep and not worry about guys missing as. Much LIKE
i think a guy Like john New smith has been
In Arthur smith's, offense so it's gonna be easy for
him to catch.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
Up that's a good. Point all, right last call, HERE
z is In. Massachusetts what's?

Speaker 6 (01:57:20):
UP? Z, hey how you guys.

Speaker 10 (01:57:24):
Doing what do you think of A J moore for
a third second and a FOURTH Dj?

Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
Moore you mean In? Chicago, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:57:34):
YEAH i know if that WAS Aj, MOORE Dj, Brown.

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
Thanks for the, CALL. Z i figured he MEANT Dj.
MOORE i LOVE Dj.

Speaker 4 (01:57:40):
Moore that would TAKE Aj. Moore they need a deep safety.
RETIRED i LIKE.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
Dj moore the.

Speaker 3 (01:57:44):
Player i've always liked his. Game, uh he didn't have
the greatest of seasons last year just in, general just
body language, wise wasn't the greatest. EITHER i don't know
if it would take that much at this. POINT Dj
moore to, me feels a little bit below THE Dk
Metcalf terry.

Speaker 4 (01:58:00):
McCain he's also not that kind of receiver struggled in McDaniel's.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
Offense, yeah he's a little. Bit he can run routes on.

Speaker 4 (01:58:08):
The outside a little more scheme touchy isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
He a little, bit he's.

Speaker 4 (01:58:11):
VERSATILE i don't. KNOW i wouldn't be against. It they
need the. TALENT i just don't. Know, like like you,
said that's not adding A terry McLaurin adding A Dk.
Metcalf THAT'S i don't even know AT i mean health health.
ASIDE i don't even know if he'd be Above. Digs,
REALLY i still Think diggs would be your primary wide
receiver edition if he's fully.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
HEALTHY i think he's probably younger and healthier Than, diggs so,
maybe but he's A he's definitely a tier below metcalf
and McLaurin to.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
Me but he's a good. Player he definitely would be one.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
Of their best. Receivers but that's you, know the bar
is not very high. There but, YEAH i CAN i
could see, that BUT i don't think it would take
quite as. MUCH i think you could actually GET Dj,
moore maybe even for like a fourth round. Pick look
at like What Maari cooper has been going for in
some of these trades that he's moved. In, yeah it
seems like a little similar to something like.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
That so that's the show.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
Today LIKE i, said next, week we are gonna have
a pre taped edition Of catch twenty, Two so we
won't be, live but we do have something come for you.
Guys you guys asked us a bunch of male bag
questions On. Twitter i'm gonna get to as many of
those AS i possibly can here With, alex and we're
gonna post that At wednesday On wednesday at noon on the,

(01:59:24):
ninth just like we would have a. Show, instead we're
gonna have this pre tape podcast and we're going to
cross our fingers that there's no breaking news that completely
wipes out the whole. Show but With july fourth weekend coming,
UP i feel pretty good there.

Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
IS i Think i'll just come back and we'll get
like do so in here Get.

Speaker 3 (01:59:41):
Deuce can cover because IF i try to do a
show the day before my, WEDDING i Think jess will
literally kill. Me So i'm not gonna try to Do.
Disappointed but you would have to be monumental breaking. News
we'd have to be massive breaking. News so we'll have
that for you guys next, week and THEN i will
be back in two weeks in. Studio so show next

(02:00:02):
week pre. Taped no show of the week of the,
sixteenth but in the following week training camps.

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
Camp, yeah it is training.

Speaker 3 (02:00:10):
Camp so we'll be back for you guys in a
couple of weeks, live but we'll have a show for
you guys next week as, well so hopefully that's not too.
Confusing but you'll hear from us next week and then
we'll see you guys live here in a few.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
Weeks thanks so much for.

Speaker 3 (02:00:22):
Listening Alex, Bart alex behind The, Glass Evan, lazarre see
you guys in a few.

Speaker 4 (02:00:27):
Weeks, Bye, hey this Is.

Speaker 2 (02:00:31):
Deuce thanks for tuning into the.

Speaker 4 (02:00:32):
Show if you really want to help, us make sure
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