Patriots Catch-22 9/10: Raiders Recap, Drake Maye Breakdown, Dolphins Preview

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Lazar and Alex Barth.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Blazarre and lazarn So everybody nailed it, joined has always Barak.
Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barnes. To all your points,
I don't think Gonzales is really necessarily that vocal guy.
I think there will be a point in his career
where he's sort of like the elder statesman and it
becomes like a quiet leader and just someone that people

(00:33):
lead by example and look at and say, that's that's
the the peak. You know, that's a guy that is
doing it at a really high level. I think the
biggest thing that Christian Gonzales can do to prove that
he has worth the money that he performance wise has
rightfully earned next off season is be appailable. So keeping
himself off the field is the opposite. I'm with you,
like what hurts his value more?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
If he plays ten to twelve games but he plays
them at the level he played lest year better, Or
he plays sixteen or seventeen games but he's like eighty
percent of the player he was last year, which one
hurts him more.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Contractually not being available, Well, maybe we'll get out there
today a let's say practice in a couple of hours,
and we'll talk to Mike Vrabel too, who has been
pretty open about practice participation, and maybe Christian Conzalez will
be out there. I think there's a chance of that.
I think there's a chance of that here today. So
we're going to be talking Patriots. We're going to look

(01:28):
back here for the first half of the show and
talk about the Raiders game, and then we'll turn the page,
if you will, to Miami and the Dolphins and take
your calls and emails. So typical format in season format.
Good to have a game to talk to talk about,
I should say and break down Evan Lazar, Alex Barth,
Alex behind the glass with you here on the Patriots

(01:51):
Catch twenty two podcasts. Now, I want to open the
show with talking about the Raiders, and we have a
little exercise that we're to do here in a second
that I'm going to see you up four because you're
gonna drive the bus on that, so I'll tee you
up here in a second. But I want to talk
big picture first, as we normally do, and just get
your take and my take out there about this game

(02:13):
as a whole. I do want to say yesterday on
Patriots Unfiltered, I was a little agitated, Alex, I was
a little I was a little agitated. I was frustrated.
On Monday. You also have to sit in that traffic. No,
it wasn't because of traffic today Monday. You know, you
watch the film, you watch the offense, and I got

(02:36):
to admitted it got me in a little bit of
a dark place. You have a little bit of a
recency bias. Hey, I had a little bit of a
dark place because it looked clunky to the point where
it was very similar to what we've seen over the
last let's call it three years, going back to you know,
twenty twenty three and the last to you know of
Mac Jones and all that stuff, and I just I

(02:57):
don't want to do that again. I don't think anybody does.
But with that being said, it's week one, it's early.
That's definitely a fair shout. And I would say that
I have a lot more faith in this coaching staff,
Mike Rabel and Josh McDaniels, to adjust to what their

(03:19):
players do well and to evolve over the course of
a season and get better over the course of a season,
and I do think that their roster talent is improved.
I do trust in Drake May's talent and his ability
as well. So I feel better today about it than
I did certainly watching it back Monday and yesterday, because

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I do want to have some faith and give some
grace to this coaching staff to get some tape, figure
out exactly what we're good at, what we're not good at,
what plays work, what plays don't work, get some tape
on opponents as well, and be able to game plan
opponents and have a better idea of what they're going
to do too. So I want to put that out

(04:01):
there because I don't want to These are all the
things that we're bringing up, or I'm going to bring up,
I should say, are currently small sea concerns like none
of no one's panicking over one loss and week one,
like no one's panicking, no one's trying to do any
of that. But that doesn't mean that we're going to

(04:23):
sit here and say that it was all it was
all fine like, because it wasn't. So there's kind of
a fine line there. But that was where I'm at
today with it, trying to turn the page here to
the Dolphins now. At that being said, the couple of
things that I just felt like need to be brought
up in terms of those small sea concerns. Number one,

(04:46):
at the very tippy top of the list, and I
don't think it's really particularly close, is Drake May's mechanics
and how he looked throwing the football on Sunday. I
thought it was concerning how disjointed his mechanics look, his footwork,
but also just his overall throwing mechanics as well, and
that's why we saw a lot of those May sprays

(05:08):
that we didn't see as many of those last year
as we maybe were expecting. This was what some people
had concerns about coming in when they drafted him out
of North Carolina. This was all of the warts that
we had talked about with Drake coming out in one game.
And I put that on mostly Josh McDaniels, but also

(05:32):
a little bit on the head coach too. This is
their project, like, this is their development now, and it's
their responsibility to make sure that Drake May is mechanically
tied together. That's on them as a coaching staff to
make sure that his feet and his hips and his
shoulders and everything's uncoiling the way that it should be,

(05:53):
and that his feet are pointed in the right directions
and his bases settled, and he's settled in the pocket
and he's poised.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
We see throws like the opening third down throw to
Pop Douglas, like that's just an air mail, the one
Hunter Henry over the middle, just an air mail. Uh,
the wan to Ramandre Stevenson where he tried to check
it down. You know, he moves up in the pocket nicely,
and then he jump throws the ball to Remandre instead
of just kind of settling back down, you know, relocating

(06:21):
in the pocket, getting his feet back set and just
making a really you know, a five yard throw right
in front of him, he ends up throwing it behind him.
It's almost tipped up in the air and it's almost
picked off by the linebacker as a result. These are
things that, like I said, when he did the scouting
report out of North Carolina when he was in the draft,
everybody had concerns about it. Seemed like they had him

(06:43):
in a good place last year with a lot of
these things where there was real, uh, steady improvement and
clear improvement with his footwork, and now this game looked
like regression to me. Now you could argue that the
regression is because he's in a new system and he's
still mentally trying to catch up with this system, so
that's making his physical mechanics decay a little bit. But

(07:03):
it is what it is. That was number one. Number
two the run game and the overall design of the offense.
I was a little bit disappointed in. I just they
have to be able to run the football. I wrote
about it. You have to be able to run the football.
As a team like this that's built this way. That's
got to be part of their identity. They have to

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be able to run it. And they have to be
able to scheme off the run game, whether it's play action, pass, RPO,
whatever the case may be. That has to be a
big part of what they do this year. And they
have to be more creative. They have to be more
physical and move bodies off the line of scrimmage with
better technique on the offensive line, no doubt about it.

(07:45):
And they have to be able to run the football.
And the last one here, I'm just trying to fix
this thing because that's what we do. We come in here,
we solve all their problems. The last thing I thought defensively,
they play with more or of the identity that I
expected them to. They were aggressive, They had a really

(08:05):
good pressure at times on Gino Smith. I thought their
blitzes at times were effective, and they blitzed. I think
Rabel said we had good demeanor on our blitz, which
is a cool way to put it. I thought. I agreed.
I thought that they were physical, they were flying. They
did have some really good reps of coverage, even though
there was those nine explosive plays. I think what I

(08:28):
saw from the defensive standpoint was a first time play
caller in his first real regular season game maybe go
into the well one or one or two too many
times on some of these blitzes. You know it happened
early third and eleven Trey Tucker's touchdown pass. They sent
the house on third and eleven from right outside the
red zone. It's an aggressive call. I don't You're already

(08:50):
in scoring territory. To me, it's just just play coverage,
force a field goal, and do get some momentum from
getting a stop there and from holding without giving up
a touchdown. The third and twenty all out blitz again,
that Carlton Davis gave up the big play to Dante
Thornton that basically stealed the game for the Raiders. It's

(09:12):
third and twenty from the twenty five and you send
the whole house, and I just thought it was a
little aggressive. There's another time where they blitz both corners
coming off the edge on a third down, Like, let's
just let's calm down a little bit with the blitzes.
I think they'll That goes back to the original thing
that I was saying, though, I do think they'll get

(09:35):
better at that. I think Terrell Williams will learn from
these mistakes, or you want to calm mistakes. I think
they'll get better at it overall in terms of timing
up the blitzes. But they threw a lot at the
Raiders defensively in this game, and looking back on it,
maybe it was a little bit too much for a
week one. A lot of blitzes, a lot of exotic pressure,

(09:58):
a lot of cover zero. You know, it's just it
was a lot and it was aggressive. So those are
the three main things that stood out to me that
that kind of led to this loss. You know, if
you want to talk about the three the three ways
to an l right like that, that's sort of where
I'm at. Where were you at with this game? After
I conclude my ran so let me throw. Make sure

(10:19):
I don't think it's tough up.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
You're letting you saw ten minutes off the show, Yeah,
I thought, so my big takeaways and we can get
into my exercise on the offense. I actually liked Drake
May's first half. I thought more like, was it Amona
Lisa No? But I think he was like twelve of
eighteen fo one hundred and fifty yards or something at
halftime like he's fine, and then he throws the pick

(10:43):
and he was just never the same after the pick.
And whether that was him feeling he needed to get conservative,
Josh McDaniel's getting conservative because he got freaked out by
the turnover. Probably in reality, it's a little bit of both, right,
I thought, And we talked about this a lot this summer.
Rake made did a great job of bouncing back. He
didn't make a lot of mistakes. When he did, he
was generally good after them, and so to see, and

(11:06):
you mentioned some of the stuff with his mechanics. The
footwork in particular stood out to me a little jumpy
on some of his throwes. Wasn't really setting his feet
and throwing like he's going to make mistakes. That's the
way he's going to play. We've talked about this. He's
not the Brady Rogers quarterback that's going to throw four
picks in a season. The idea is he can do
some incredible things when you allow him to take risks.

(11:27):
And so whether it's him, whether it's McDaniels, you can't
completely alter the game plan off one turnover, and I
feel like they got away from a lot of what
was working. They didn't really target kish On Booty as much,
who I thought was great in this game, so that
that was on passing him on the run game. Do
you know how many times they ran the ball to
the right side. I think we talked about this last night,

(11:47):
but do you know how many times they ran the
ball to the right side?

Speaker 2 (11:49):
It wasn't I think in some places having at.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Zero PFF and the NFL internal stats have it at one,
they have one in between right garden.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Right tackle, that's it not enough.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
And so here's where you kind of have to get
into the nuance of it, because you know me, Evan,
I will I will get after the coaches that this
is our game plan and we're going in and we're
doing this, and I don't care that it's not working.
I'm so smart it'll work eventually. I'm gonna keep doing it.
I hate it when coaches do that. And the run
game was not working, So credit to Josh McDaniels for

(12:21):
recognizing that and trying to make a change. I would
have tried to run on the right side behind Michael
Lan Morgan Moses, two good run blockers, and oh, by
the way, you maybe throw off the timing of their
best pass rusher and Max Crosby. I would have run
on the right side before I abandoned it all together,
so that it's not so much that they couldn't run
the ball. It's that they tried one thing, it didn't work,

(12:42):
and then abandoned it. And where there We know McDaniels
is a deep run game and I would have liked
to see him get a little more in the bag
with it before he just gave up on it. Defensively,
super blitz happy, I kind of look at that defensive
game plan and my big takeaway, I think I said
this to you right after the game, was like this
defensive game game plan is brilliant and makes a ton

(13:03):
of sense if you have Christian Goanzalees out there, like
this is with Christian Zalez and Carlton Davis. This is
exactly how I want to see them approach games. But
they didn't have Christian Zales So if that's ultimately what
it's going to be, I actually don't hate the overarching
philosophy they used. I do think maybe in spots to
your point, they were will to aggressive, but also on
the third and twenty they send seven, they don't really

(13:26):
get pressure.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
So well, Gino did a great job to his career.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, first the credit, Gino gets paid to and he
was great in this game, and he loves.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Playing the pocket for so damn but it got great point.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
That play reminded me of because I see Carlton Davis
getting some crap for that play, where like why did
he sit down on the route?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Why does he bite on the double move?

Speaker 1 (13:45):
When you're sending seven, you're not necessarily there shouldn't be
time for a double move. And if you remember the
game here last year against the Rams, remember this they
sent eight and Cooper Cupp does something very similar out
of the slow and he beats Jonathan Jones. And I
remember people asking at the time, why are you know,
why is Jonathan Jones sitting down on this route because

(14:07):
he's trying to jump an underthrow because he assumed the court,
he assumes quarteracks is gonna have.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
To throw it off his back foot. Yeah, and they did.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
They sent eight on that play, and I think like
two linebackers got tied up whatever.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Exactly, but they didn't get the pressure sending eight, and
that's going to throw off the secondary. And I thought
this was the same thing where Carlton Davis is playing
that play, like Gino Smith is throwing with a hand
in his face because they're sending seven and Gino Smith
should be throwing with a hand in his face, especially
on a double move, and he ends up getting enough
time because they couldn't get home. So that it was

(14:37):
more the execution than the game plan for me on defense, Like,
I actually liked that game plan. I think that's gonna
be really fun once they get Christian and Zalez back
and they maybe face some of these younger quarterbacks when
you get in that like Saints, Titans, Browns, Falcons. Running
the schedule even the Panthers coming in a few weeks,
right with Bryce Young. So No, it's a good point,

(14:58):
and I like the game plan. I just and that
maybe goes to the week one thing where the execution
wasn't fully there.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah. I it's a good point about against different quarterbacks,
younger quarterbacks, like you start sending pressure and from different
places and running you know, simulated pressures where you don't
know who's coming and who's dropping like that can definitely
put a young quarterback in a blender. Yeah, that's not
Geno Smith. Geno Smith is a veteran QB that's been
around the block, that's seen a lot of things. I

(15:25):
think one of his best traits because I know there's
there's always like I feel like we're at a ligne
with Gino where he's almost like the Andy Dalton of
this like era of football, where it's like is Gino
good or is he not good? Right? And then people
have different people have different opinion. Yeah, like people have
different opinions on Gino. But one of the things that

(15:46):
I think makes Gino really good is that he holds it.
He hangs in the pocket for he'll take it and
he'll sit on his back foot and he'll see you know.
They call it stare down the barrel, like stare down
the barrel knowing that somebody's about to hit him right
in the chin, and he will just wait and wait
and wait until the last possible second to let his

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receivers uncover down the field and give them as much
time as he possibly can to let them uncover. Like
I don't know if other quarterbacks facing all out pressure
like on the third and twenty hang in there and
let Dante Thornton run that double move and see him
open down the field and bomb that throw. I think
a lot of quarterbacks get spooked and end up throwing

(16:31):
the ball away or taking a sack or something like that.
That wasn't the guy that they were facing on Sunday,
And I just thought it was an aggressive plan that
I agree with you with Christian Zalez. Maybe it pans
out better. And I also think that you learn from
some of those calls, like Terrell Williams. I don't think
is going to bring the houses off the next week.
I really don't. I don't think that he'll bring the

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house in certain situations like they did. And I'm glad
you bought it. Brought up the RAMS thing from last year. Yeah,
because to me, like DeMarcus Covington and Drod Mayo got
absolutely dragged for that call, and probably rightfully so. But
if we're gonna drag DeMarcus Covington and Girod Mayo for

(17:17):
it last year, we got to do the same this year.
And when you're over aggressive and you're sending a lot
of pressure and you get burned and for nine explosive plays,
and I think it's only fair to judge it the
same way.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, so yes, so no, but I think there's an
element of and this is what I said last year,
when you send seven, when you send eight, you should
get pressure.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
I think they got pressure on the Dante Thornton play,
but Gino rolled out to his right and kind of
drifted back in the pocket and bought himself with like
that little bit of extra time that he needed to
that throat.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
I just yeah, I mean, look, I don't love the call,
but and Rabel said it after the game, like you
forced the three and out there and you get the
ball back and right. The pressure was very inconsistent, and
there were times it was great, and I mean we'll
get to up and downs and I guys from both
sides on that.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
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all right, So we have an exercise that we want
to do that is basically buy or sell from week one.
I called it realer fake.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
We all a fake, sure, so the idea and I
wrote a callum about this on ninety eight five the
sports sub dot com. Basically, week one is and this
is across the NFL. It's not patriotsing. Week one is
always the most like chaotic, nonsense, unpredictable week of the
year because there's so much you don't know coming out
of the offseason and these teams have new rosters and
new coaches and things like that, and it's really easy

(19:12):
to jump to conclusions from week one.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
But as we last year is the perfect example of this.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
The Patriots went into Cincinnati and they got a disciplined, tough,
gritty win, yes against a good football team, and we
all sat like, okay, is this real or not? And
it ended up to like that was not indicative of
who the twenty twenty four Patriots were going to be,
right fortunately not unfortunately not so not to do that
big picture with this game, but just to kind of

(19:42):
break it down because there were the big thing is
the surprise is right, there's some things we saw that
we thought we'd saw and the fact that we saw
it and kind of projected, okay, that's maybe more real.
But some of the stuff we didn't expect to see.
Is this real? Is this actually a telltale sign of
what the twenty twenty five Patriots will.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Be or is it fake?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Is this just for whatever reason, this game, this matchup,
this was week one, and you know, we instantly want
to say the team we saw in the field.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
In week one is the team we'll see for eighteen games.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
But this one probably is something we'll look back on
as an outlier. It just happened to happen week one,
so we put more weight onto it. So I had
five kind of big picture topics. If you want to
add some to at the end, you can. Okay, the
first one I think is pretty easy, but it's a
good way to if you don't understand what the exercise is,
it's a good way to get it. Sure, Patriots threw
the ball forty six times in this game. I think
they had fifty three dropbacks ultimately, which were tied for

(20:35):
the highest and the highest in the league. They only
ran They only called thirteen design runs real or fake.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
The Patriots will be a pass heavy team this year.
I hope that's fake. I think it's well, no, wait,
it's not what we hope we're predicting. I think it'll
be fake. I think it's fake. And I and do
you have run game more specifically in there? Or is
that is that? So I have a take on the
run game. I don't know if you want me to
give it now or if you want me to give it.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
You can you can lead and what like pass heavy
not run heavy, however.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Because to me it comes down to can they can
they execute the run game? Right? I don't think they
want to be past heavy, right, But like we.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Saw on so okay, so here's another one, my next
one and we can kind of tie it in the
So I had originally had the pass protection being good
because the past protection was solidness.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
It's fine until the end. We can get to that.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
But like, all right, so I'll flip this, Yes, inability
to run the ball real or fake? I'm gonna go,
are the Patriots gonna be a bad run team this year?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I'm gonna go It's hard to say because we only
have one game of film.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
But this is the point, this is this is hard
to say. We want to subscribe, so we only have
one game. So people are gonna look at this, and
because there's no nothing else, you look at it and say,
is this what the Patriots are?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Or was this a weird Week one thing? Because Week
one is weird because Week one is I'm always weird.
I'm gonna say fake. But I I think the concern
that I have with the run game, and this I'll
give my take because as well, the concern that I
have with the run game is that I thought that
they were not creative enough with how they ran the football.
And when I watch film around the league of other teams,

(22:16):
like when I watched the Colts Dolphins game, it really
was a nice juxtaposition with those two teams of a
gun run team versus an under center run team. The
Dolphins are an under center West Coast Kyle Shanahan Tree offense,
right so they run the ball from pistol or from
under center, whereas the Eagles are running a West Coast
college system where they have RPOs and zone reads and

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they're running the ball from the gun. And when you
run the ball from under center, there's basically those are
the two buckets. Like there's the the Andy Reid Eagles
offshoot offense right now that is gun heavy. That's Reid
option or RPO heavy from the gun yep. Then there
is the Shanahan Tree guys that are under When you're

(23:01):
under center run team like the Shanahan entry does, there's
a ton of window dressing. There's motion. There's you know,
motion at the snap. There's motion before the snap. There's jets,
there's orbits where the guys are going around behind the quarterback.
There's faking right you know, the quarterbacks, you know, has
that slight of hand where he's faking to the different options.

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And then there's also boots which like make the backside
of the formation respect it. And all of this creates
space and it opens gaps in the run game, and
it stretches the defense horizontally and challenges their communication and
their assignments so that you can create voids and pockets
of space into the defense with motion and with misdirection.

(23:44):
That's the under center team. That's what they do. The
RPO gun run team. They do it by we're going
to attach routes to this so that you have to
cover the routes. And now we're taking guys out of
the box because we're two over three over here, right
there's two receips to three defenders. So now it's just math,
like there's only so many guys you can put in
the box. If you're gonna have a let's call it

(24:08):
like a bubble out on the outside where there's like
a bubble to the wide receiver. If you're gonna have that,
and they're gonna put three guys over there, there's only
eleven guys on the field, so you're adding numbers advantages
to the box so that you can get hat on
the hat. From a blocking perspective, When I watched the
Patriots run the football on Sunday when they went under center,

(24:30):
I don't think there was enough window dressing. I don't
think there was enough misdirection, deception, all those different types
of things. I believe. It's just my belief, Yep. The
defenses are too good nowadays to just line up and
hand the ball off and try to smash heads. I
don't think it's gonna work. There's two The defenses are
too fast, they're too athletic. They have too many scheme

(24:51):
of related things that they can do now to shut
down run games. You know, gap penetration, stunting, run, blitzing. Like,
these defenses are too sift caated and the athletes are
too good that if you just run the football directly
up the gut like they used to do twenty thirty
years ago, it just doesn't work the same way that
it once did. The defenses are too evolved at this
point to do it that way. So if you're gonna

(25:13):
be an under center run team, you have to dress
it up. It has to be creative, it has to
have you know, window dressing to it, or you can
spread them out and be a gun run team and
use the options to your advantage. The Patriots, to me,
were like caught in between, like they didn't have either
one of those things going on often.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Enough to bring it back to the exercise, and those
are all good points. Is this something where the Patriots
are just going to have an uncreative run game and
struggle to run the ball and be forced into being
a more dedicated dropback pass team, which Mike Griebel said
he doesn't want to happen, right, Or is this a
weird Week one thing where we know Josh McDaniels builds
his offense up as the year goes on and that

(25:50):
stuff is coming, but for one reason or another, wasn't
a big part of the Week one game plan.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I definitely worry that it's more going to be this
is what they this is what they install, and this
is what they're doing. But I reserve judgment to be corrected.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Well, if that's the case, and you think it's real
that they end up being kind of a pass heavy
team this year, because if they're not gonna.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, I get the exercise, but it's hard to say.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
I think I think they're gonna because I have more
to running the football because the other thing, right.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
By committing more to run the football only works if
you can run the ball. So here's the other thing
for me, and I brought this up earlier.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
They only ran to the right side once Mike go
and win when Morgan Moses are both plus run blockers,
and I know Campbell and Wilson were good at that
in the summer their rookies, and they had their rookie
moments in that game. I talked about it with David
Andrews on that podcast on Monday, which people can check
out Run Behind your Best run Blockers, and I think
it might look a little better. I know that's probably oversimplified.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Well, I think that some of that was I hear you,
But I think the direction of the runs is because
of Max Crosby. I think they were trying to run
away from Max Crosby. Why not run out of you?

Speaker 1 (26:55):
The upset the timing of him as a pack awesome
run player, all right.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I I it might have been overthinking it and giving
him too much credit in some ways if you want
to go there, But he's just as good of a
run defender as he is a pass rusher. He's a
great player, and so I think that they decided we're
going to run at Koons, We're gonna run at Adam
Butler like we're going to run at different people, and
we're not going to try to put Max Crosby at

(27:19):
the point of attack. That's just my theory on why
they did it that way. Yeah, we'll see if that
is a that cannot be and I don't think that
Josh will allow it to be. That can't be a
tell that they're only going to run left. I think
that that to me, if you want to go real
or fake like that is a Week one or not?

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Okay, Yeah, I mean, look, are they going to be
the nineteen seventy eight Patriots. No, but I think they're
going to be better at running the ball all right.
Number two, pass protection. Patriots allowed a pressure on thirty
percent of the dropbacks, the fourteenth lowest rate in the
NFL Accordney Next Gen stats in Week one. That that
number over the rest of the year like thirty point two.
If they keep that pressure rate for the whole year

(27:59):
based off last yours numbers, that would be a top
ten pass blocking offensive line in the NFL Evan Reeler fake.
The Patriots will be a top fifteen pass blocking offensive
line this year.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I'm going to go real. Wow, Okay, I'm gonna go real.
And the reason why I'm going to go real is
because I think they were able to hold up in
pass protection. Because, to give him credit, I've done a
lot of Josh bashing today. To give him credit, I
think Josh is really good at protecting weak spots on
the offensive line. Like he did not really let Max

(28:32):
Crosby just tee off on Morgan Moses won on one
a ton in this game. There were chips. There was
slide to that side of the line. The tight end
would stay in for an extra second and you know
chip there, or the running back would chip on the
way out. It didn't always work obviously on the left
side with the strips at but they did kind of
the same with Campbell. I think they realized that their

(28:53):
offensive line is going to have some holes in pass
protection and they're not going to allow that to snowball
on them as much as maybe the staff did last year.
The staff last year just kind of called their plays
and expected the line to the execution in the line
to improve, Whereas I think Josh will say this is
a tough week for us in pass protection. You know,

(29:14):
maybe this week even with chubin Jalen, it's a good
front Zach Steeler with the Dolphins, like, We're not going
to just allow these guys to just isolate our players
and isolate our tackles and tee off. So I guess
this is more faith in McDaniels than it is in
the players necessarily that they'll be able to get people.
Both interesting.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
So you have the run blocking in the pass blocking.
You think both were real in this game, Yes, I
think both were fake. I look, I was very encouraged
by what I saw from the offensive lines, better than
I expected. I'm not saying they're going to go back
to being the bottom the league. I think with Drake
may struggling under pressure at times in this game, you're
going to see him get blitzed more. I think that
numbers may be also a product of how many times

(29:53):
they throw. They threw the ball, So I said earlier,
I think is going to come down. Do they I
think they will be top twenty five. Can they maybe
sniff that top twenty shirt? Top half of the league
have about the top ten. Do you think they end
up top ten in pressure rate allowed? Top ten's high
so and the other thing.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
But you have to really like to me, like pressure
rate is as much about the play calling as it
is the drop I get where you're coming from. So
I think that in that sense, they just are going
to do a better job of protecting the offensive line.
And they did it on Sunday because they've dropped back
fifty three times. Yeah, and so a lot of this too,
is just from my film study of the game, Like

(30:33):
it really didn't start the snowball on the rookies until
the fourth quarter. Well, this is their first time playing
four or fourth quarters in the NFL, and they're asking
him to drop back fifty three times. They're gonna make
some mistakes. It's not going to be perfect. So that's
a big part of it too. Like Jared Wilson ends
up giving you know, depending on who you believe in,
what metric you want to, you know, round four or

(30:54):
five pressures in this game. Three of them happened in
the fourth quarter, Yeah, when he started to get tired.
So I think a lot of that is part of
it too.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Right, So there you go, and the other thing for
me just saying that I think that's fake. There's an
injuries too, I think will factor in that. All right,
a couple more Kayshawn Booty. I just kind of wrote
Kashawn Booty's breakout if you want to characterize it. Six catches,
one hundred and three yards. What I like the most
from him? Five of his six catches went for first downs.
The other one was a yard short on second and fifteen,
which I think he broke the route off short to

(31:24):
create the throwing window, which I'm fine with that on
second down. Any team, you know, you should feel good
about converting a third and one if you can get
that chunk play on second down. So is this real?
Is Kayshawn Booty? And that doesn't mean he has to
get one hundred yards every game? But is this real
that Kashawn Booty is going to be like a go
to chain moving wide receiver? Like, are we gonna more

(31:46):
or less see what we saw out of him on
Sunday weekend and week out?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Do you think real or fake? I've been I've been
told that I'm a Kashn Booty hater. I have as well,
and I would say, first of all, a lot of
that stems from the fact of how this coaching staff
has made it look like they view Kaishan Boody going
back to the offseason when he was in all these
trade rumors and they didn't seem super interested in Kashan Boody,

(32:12):
so that it's a lot of it stems from that.
I would say, also, and this is not Kaishan Boody's fault,
but if Kaishan Boody is your best wide receiver, then
I'm concerned.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
So we're not getting bigger picture with the pass game here.
I don't disagree with that.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
But just so I think that that's what I'm just saying,
Like I think my takes on Kaishan Boody stem from
that because I'm thinking, to myself, Kaishan Boody is an
NFL player, Like, he's proven that he's a good He's
an NFL as receiver and it's probably a top three,
you know, starting receiver in this league. But if that's
the best you got, then that's not good.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
But just in a bubble, and you're right, he's better
as a complimentary player, But in a bubble, was that
a pretty accurate representation of the player.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
He's going to be this year one hundred yards a lot.
So I don't think he's going to get one hundred
yards every week. I think the way he ran routes,
and I thought, what was the best part about the
way he ran I thought he played with great play
strength yea at both at the top of the route
and at the catch point. I thought he played with
real sturdiness to his game, real willingness to go over

(33:12):
the middle of the field on some of those dig
routes where there were traffic and he could have taken
a lick. He actually did take a lick on one
of those. That was probably Drake's best throw of the game.
I think it's real in terms of what he put
on film. I don't know, he's not going to go
for six for one hundred every single So yeah, I
think it's real.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
And part of the reason I think it's real is
a lot of the kinds of catches he was making
were the kind of catches he made in camp. That
was exactly what he was doing all of camp. You know,
comeback routes and in cuts in the intermediate to the field,
creating separation at top of the route. He gave Drake
made some easy windows to put the ball into. Is
going to have one hundred yards every week? Probably not.
I will be interested to see if the Dolphins. It

(33:53):
felt to me like the Raiders were more focused on
taking away one the over the top and then really
sick underneath on Trayvon Henderson and on Pop Douglas, and
they were giving the Patriots the middle of the field.
And so I'll be interesting if the Dolphins maybe take
another approach and focus more on him. But if the
production goes down, but the production goes down because he's

(34:15):
being focused on and now it's open more underneath for
Henderson in Pop Douglas, or you're bringing another safety down
and now you know somebody else Kyle Williams or whoever
can get over the top and get vertical like that's
still a real impact, even if the numbers are not there.
I'm not saying team, I'm not saying Kashan Boody is
a Tuesday Morning player. But you're going to game plan
around somebody. You don't just come in and played Vanilla

(34:35):
across the board. So I think it's real. I think
that that game from Kashan Budy is real. Again, the
numbers may fluctuate a little bit, but I think that
was real all right. Being blitz heavy. Patriots had one
of the highest blitz rate in the league. They converted
it on their blitzes. They turned blitzer into pressures in
the second highest rate in the league, although it's worth
noting there were fifty six percent. Only two teams that

(34:59):
were like in their above fifty percent blitz more than
ten times, and they were at sixteen, so that was
kind of higher.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Obviously mixed results.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
But are the Patriots going to be one of the
heaviest blitzing teams in the NFL this year?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Real? Are fake? Real? I'm with you. I think they're
gonna blitz. They did not blitz a lot in Tennessee.
This staff with you know, Vrabel and Zach Kerr and
and Terrell Williams. But my guess is that didn't blitz
as much in Tennessee because they didn't have the man
corners that they have on this team. I think they
want to be an aggressive defense. I want I think
they want to make negative plays and they want to

(35:34):
take the football away on defense, and they're going to
live with some of the boom or bust that comes
with that. Nine explosives is too many, like they that
can't happen every single week. Yeah, but if they exchange
some haymakers like that's I think the way they want
to play. I don't think they want to be a

(35:54):
Matt Patricia special where they're sitting down in coverage and
they're forcing everything in front then don't break. Yeah, that's
afraid I'm looking for. I don't think they want to
do that.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
With and look as for the results, I think they'll
be mixed. I think it will be a little bit
better once they get Gonzales back. But just in terms
of the approach, I think the blitz heaviness you saw
in that game was real. One more and this is
one that did not get talked about as much. But
the number is a little inflated because of the way
the game ended and you had the on side kick,
go out of bounds and some other stuff. But Patriots

(36:25):
are called for nine penalties in this game, nine accepted penalties.
They averaged six and a half per game last year.
You had some in big spots. We'll get to Will
Campbell like I thought, blocking wise, Will Campbell was fine.
The penalties can't happen, especially the false start late in
the game. You know, Jalen Hawkins took a bad unncessary
roughness penalty. Mike Vrabel talked about playing cleaner football, not

(36:48):
committing bad football. There are some avoidable penalties in there.
It's just the way it is. Nine penalties seventh most,
tied for the seventh most in the NFL. The Raiders also,
by the way, I got called for nine, so maybe
some of it was the crew. But again, things can
be weird in Week one. That's the way this goes,
real or fake. The Patriots will have a penalty problem
this year.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I'm gonna go real, but I do think it will
level off by the end of the season. But I
think what you're seeing a lot with some of these
penalties is that you either have young players like Will Campbell,
who's a rookie. Jared Wilson also got called for a
hold young players or players that are now playing in
new schemes and new new systems and things like that.

(37:29):
I do think that that can take time to figure
that out. And when you're not one hundred percent sure
about where you're supposed to be and you're chasing, if
you're on defense, that's when the holding calls. Start. That's
when the past interference calls start. That's when maybe you know,
jumping off side because you don't have it timed up perfectly,
you know, starts. So I think there's gonna be some

(37:51):
sloppiness that they are going to have to work through
as a team, as a new team with a new staff,
with what twenty seven new players or something like that.
I think that that's gonna happen. But I do expect
around and like Bill used to say, like around Thanksgiving,
I expect that to clean up. So I'm exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I think it's gonna be real early and it tapers
off everything you just said. Young players, new players, all that. Like,
it's gonna take them a while to kind of settle in.
Can't have nine penalties every week. The only reason I
kind of lean fake. The Raiders got called for a
lot of penalties too. This crew is pretty ticky tack.
I do appreciate they got the calls in quick. Usually
the Ticki tech crews also take their sweet time. You know,

(38:29):
they all gathering. It was just the one guy going
to the other guy. Here's what I've got.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
But I don't think it's gonna be nine every week.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I think the number will be a little high through
the first month, month and a half of the season
then come down. So I think this is real to
an extent. I don't think this was because I look,
there were some teams last year.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
I forget who it was.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
There's one team that got calls were like double digit
penalties in Week one last year and then was like
bottom five in the league in penalties all year. They
just got one crew in Week one that called a
lot of penalties, And so that's where you get into
that is this a trend er? Is it a week
one thing? So I'm going real on that as well.
That's really fair. I don't know if you have any
anything else you think was a good like storyline from

(39:07):
this game that you think is it a week one thing.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
I think we pretty much unpacked the everything that I
wanted to get to.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
I'm actually I'm going to throw one more in there,
and it's not really a realer fake. I just want
to clarify it. So I had some people ask me
about this in terms of Travon Henderson not getting the
ball enough. Travon Henderson led the team in touches he
got they called thirteen design runs.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
He got five carries. I did not love the plan.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
So the usage is different, Yeah, Travon Henderson, And I
know people think that we're like afraid of giving Travon
Henderson the ball.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
That's not even what the stake is.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, they gave Travon Henderson the ball enough proportionally for
what they called proportionally.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
They didn't call it like again.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Five right, he got six catches. A lot of them
were either checked downs or screens that got blown up.
Swing swing passes into the flats and screens. As your
most explosive player on offense, it's just not it's not enough,
like they need to get him vertically down the field.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
I think that.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
The usage rate for Travon Henderson is real. The raw
number maybe doesn't reflect that as much, but that's due
to oddities in the play calling. That's not them. That's
not them like being afraid to give the ball to
Travon Henderson. Yeah, they just called it the game weird.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I just didn't love how they used him in this game.
I he is your biggest big play threat on offense.
He's the most explosive player that they have. And I
get it, like when you fas a team that's playing
a ton of zone like the Vegas was, and Next
Gen had them with one snap of man to man
the entire game. I thought I saw a couple more

(40:42):
than just one. I think PFF was closer to like
four or five. But whatever the case may be. You
drop back to pass fifty three times and they only
play five snaps in Manta Man. That's a heavy zone plan,
but that's as heavy as it gets. Well, and when
he play zone coverage, you know you're not gonna get
the matchup of like Travon Henderson on a linebacker on
a wheel route, Like, that's not gonna be as favorable

(41:05):
of a matchup as maybe you would if a team
is playing man to man against you. So I get that,
but you are faced he is the most explosive player
that you have. Can I get one wheel route?

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Like?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Can I get one thing down the field with Travon Henderson?
They need to do that, like at once or twice
a game. He needs to be sent vertical to try
to hit him down the field on a big play.
It just has to be a big part of their arsenal.
So I expect that to be something that they'll get to,
Like I don't have any concerns that Josh McDaniels is
gonna only throw you know, check downs and screens at

(41:40):
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some vertical stuff in there for him. All right, I
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the Raiders game, thankfully, and move on. We're gonna talk
about some goods here too, because I know I feel
like I'm overly negative to start the show, so you
go first, because I think we might have a similar upslist,
So number one up.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
So we just talked a lot about him and why
I think he was good, so we don't need to
do a ton of Kishawan booty like left off in
camp and being a chain mover and getting them. Is
the term chunk plays? So not not an explosive play,
not a twenty five plus yard play, but you know
ten to twenty five is that a chunk play?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Or am I using that term wrong? Well, I don't know.
I feel like explosives are twenty plus and most of
the time I hear chunk play, I hear explosive.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
So what's the term for, Like, here's for Kaishan Boody,
here's where I think he was so useful. When the
Josh McDaniels offense is going, yes, and when the Patriots
and different offense have been going the last few years,
they've got, you know, as their quarterbacks have struggled, And
I need to look this up.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
I haven't looked it up.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
What percentage of their first downs do you think they've
picked up on third down? It's got to be pretty high, right, yes,
versus Kaishan Boody gets you first down on second and
eight gets you a first down on first and ten.
That sort of thing where maybe he's not running all
the way down the field of the end zone, but
you're not you know, three yards four yards, three yards,

(43:47):
first down, four yards, three arts, four yards, first down,
five yards, three arts, three yards, first down, Right, that
sort of thing he's giving you. He's moving the change
with a little more urgency. They haven't had an X
receiver that could do that in a little bit maybe
since Lafelle, and I just think him doing that. You
saw it early when the offense was moving and when
they were playing well, it's it's a real spark, and

(44:07):
I don't I don't love that they got a way
from it in the second half. I don't think the
Raiders coverage changed a ton, but I thought if they
can get more of that out of him, that would
be a huge development.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah, he was great. He was my number two, but
he up but on my ups for sure. You know,
six for one oh three on eight targets. I thought
he played with great play strengths, ran really strong, steady routes.
I think what you saw out of him too is
something that just in general, just talking about the whole game,
I still think that it's a work in progress in

(44:38):
terms of Drake's confidence throwing to certain receivers in this offense.
And he has a lot of confidence throwing the ball
to Kseh on Booty, and I don't think that it's
a mistake or I don't think it's a coincidence. Yeah,
about Booty's body type, Like Booty is a sturdy, thicker,
bill like six foot receiver with good ball skills, decent
catch radius like, I think that those are the types receivers.

(45:01):
Just talking about big picture, and I know this isn't
draft time yet, but when we start to get into
all this stuff in the offseason, I think there's a
certain type of receiver they need to start targeting for
Drake may Well. And Josh Downs wasn't a big guy,
I know, but Josh Downs is It's different. It's just different.
The windows are different, the coverage is different. I think
Drake may needs guys with bigger catch radiuses. This is

(45:24):
my on working theory on this whole thing. I think
it would really help, of course with the accuracy, right,
Like you don't have to be pinpoint accurate when you're
throwing to a guy that has good a good catch radius.
But I think he has a lot of trust in
throwing the ball to of Keisha on booty and it
showed on Sunday, so that that was a really good
positive development. Who's number two Harold Landry? YEPF.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
So everything I said about Kishan Boody like, Harold Landry's
kind of that player on defense for me, I don't
He's not gonna get two and a half sacks a game.
But you see the Raiders game looked like it was
more focused on Christian Barmore and Christian Barmoer was the
guy they were going to take away, So that left
Harold Landry won on one he teed off good, you
want that guy teen off this week?

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Does Miami shift that focus and do they put focus.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
More on Landry? And you know, then you look at
Barmore and does he do more? And you know, I'll
just kind of love them together. My other up was
Milton Williams me too, and I just thought the two
of those guys had a ton of success rushing off
each other and it'll be interesting to see if the
blocking approach changes. But they left Harold Landry one on
one and he made him pay. And that's what you
want from a guy like that. We know he's not

(46:31):
a Matthew Judon kind of player who's going to win
even when the attention is on him. But the attention
wasn't on him, and he took advantage of it and
he impacted the game. Had they won, he's probably, you know,
the MVP of the game for them.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yeah, so number one up for me was Harold Landry.
I had him with eight quarterback pressures, three sacks, two
run stuffs. I just had a monster game. He just
had a monster game. And I think the biggest thing
with Landry that makes me really excited is that that
looked like the Rabel Titans Harold Landry and not the
guy that played for the Titans last year, which makes
you think about, you know, scheme fit and all that

(47:06):
kind of stuff that we have discussed with Harold Landry
here a little bit of was last year a sign
that he was starting to slow down? Or was last
year because he switched schemes, switched coaching staffs, and he
wasn't a fit for the defense that they were running
in Tennessee. As much as he's a fit in this defense,
his comfort level, his execution on stunts and games up front,

(47:28):
just it shows like he's just very comfortable in this scheme.
He plays it very very well. And he was highly
disruptive in this game. And I thought, you know, just
looking at him and Milton Williams working together on some
of those stunts, I had Milton Williams with four pressures
in a run stuff. He was also very disruptive in
this game. Williams was awesome in this game.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
He was exactly as advertised. His win rates are like
all off the charts with all the different metrics, if
you want to go fancy and look at all those things,
I think he's like top five in the league in
Week one and pass rush win weight, disruptive, first into
the gaps, quick to the edges. Had a couple of
pass rush moves in this one bull rush rip move

(48:10):
effective on the stunts held up in the run game,
which I know is a little bit of a concern
for people whether or not he was going to be
able to be a three down player at least week one.
So far, so good on that. So if you come
out of this game, and I know there was a
lot of negatives that we broke down in the first
forty five minutes here, and Harold Landry and Milton Williams

(48:31):
both made their their paycheck on Sunday, that's really really
good for that free agency class. Now, not everybody was
great from the free agency class, but that specifically was
very good to see. You paid those guys a lot
of money in the offseason and week one they delivered.
That's good news for them. All Right, let's go to
the downs. Number one, Drake May.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
I just thought again I said it earlier. I can
find the stat here.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I have it. I actually really liked we the first half.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
I think if what you get out of Drake May
is more or less what he was in the first
half of that game, like like we're cooking, Like that's
a that's not a bad spot to be. The problem
is so here the numbers pre interception, I mean, use
some dinosaur numbers here, so try not to get too
out at me. Eighteen to twenty five, seventy two percent
completion percentage, one hundred eight two yards seven three point

(49:22):
yards per attempt and the touchdown and that. So that's
the first half and that second drive up to the
interception where he actually made some nice throws on that
first drive of the second half before he got picked off.
After the interception, seven for twelve, so fifty eight percent
fifty one yards. So his completion percentage drops by fifteen points,

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his yards per attempt drops by three yards per attempt,
and you just look like, visibly, he just is approaching
the game differently mentally. It looks like after the interception
that was disappointing to me, Like you want him to
have a little more that gunslinger mentality. Obviously you don't
want him to make mistakes, but the mistakes are gonna come.
Can he bounce back from him and continue to make
plays again? I thought he had a really good feel

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off of it in that first half. The Raiders made
some adjustments, but I didn't think it was anything that
should have been too you know, restrictive on him. I
think he just he got in his head, McDaniel's got
in his head whoever, and and that that was kind
of disappointed me. That the interception threw it, threw him
off and threw the offense off as a whole. That's
the other number, the as a team first downs twelve

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as a team in the first six drives before the
interception between the and that's not sorry, that's not the
interception at the end of the game. It's the interception
until that two minute drill where the Raiders were in
preventing to include that twelve first downs in the first
six drives for the Patriots the ensuing four drives before
the game really got out of hand, two total first downs.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
And four drives.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
So it just the the interception changed everything.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah, So I you're trying to find the fancy math.
Now I already have it, but it's not directly from
the interception. But the interception happened early in the second half,
so I have first half, second half.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
So I actually thought even that drive up until the interception,
he was okay, so I wanted to give him credit
for that.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
So that way plus point twenty six expecting points added
in the first half per drop back, which is good,
minus point three in the second half. So that he
fell off in the second half, there's no other way
to put it. Ten for seventeen for eighty three yards
until that last drive that you. I can't. I wouldn't

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say it's truly garbage time, but pseudo garbage. I don't
want to call it garbage time, but it's the defense
like it's not. So he was ten for seventeen for
eighty three yards on those first five possisions of the
second half that went interception, punt, punt, punt, punt right.
So on top of that, I wanted to talk a
little bit about because we talked about this yesterday on

(51:48):
PU and Bred and I kind of got into a
disagreement about it, and I'm curious about your take on this.
So I rode something after the game on Sunday about
Drake May's fit in this Josh McDaniel's offense, and it
got screenshot and it's gone around a little bit, so
I want to talk about it. The biggest thing that

(52:10):
I see with Drake May in this offense is that
I have What I worry about is if Drake May
is going to be able to be consistently accurate enough
in the short stuff, in the short game to really
run an offense that is predicated on picking up that
at first down, throwing the ball underneath, taking profits and

(52:33):
playing that kind of football, and for some reason, I
feel like that gets misconstrued and like people think that
that's easy to do, Like, oh, every quarterback should be
able to throw at ten yards. That's a skill, Like
that's a that's a talent, that's an ability that you know,
obviously Brady had it at a level that's beyond probably

(52:54):
anybody else that's ever played in the game. But I'm
going to cross sports here for a second and don't
make any Joe Mizula jokes because I know that's coming.
But like it would be a little bit like in
basketball if we said, I know, you can only shoot
twenty five percent from three, but we're a three point
shooting team, so we're just gonna have your shoot threes. Anyways,

(53:15):
all right, I won't say anything. I won't say anything.
Well this Allics don't have a lot of twenty five
percent three point shooters, so you can't not over the
course of the season.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
They have guys that get in slumps in that. All right, Anyway,
do you.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Understand what I'm saying. I get what you're saying, or
it's a good I'll use another basketball analogy because I
knew that one was going to get you.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah, I don't know why the hell you would be
a good idea.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Everybody just there's certain guys, especially big guys in the
NBA that can't shoot free throws right, And everybody is like,
you're in the NBA, You're a professional basketball player. How
can you not make at least the majority of your
free throws? Some guys just can't. Like they can practice
it all night long, they can practice it all day long,
they can be in the gym, they can do all

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those things, and some guys just can't hit free throws.
It's just the thing. So I would say this same
thing is true for quarterbacks. Quarterbacks have different strengths and weaknesses.
Some guys can dice up defenses underneath and they can
take those profits, and they can just go right down
the field and they can be consistent with their accuracy
to matriculate the ball down the field on longer drives.

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Some guys, and I think Drake may is in this bucket,
are better throwing the ball down the field intermediate and deep,
and they aren't as good in the short game. So
in this game, in the short game, Drake may was
seven to thirteen on throws under ten yards. In this game,
that's fifty three percent, almost fifty four to fifty three
point eight. The league averaged since I started twenty twenty

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four on those throws is seventy six percent.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yeah, no, because he sailed some of them. Look, I
think it goes beyond the fit in the offense.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
For me.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Whatever offense you're in, these boom or bust quarterbacks, the
book on every single one of them is going to
be when they come in the NFL is going to
be take away the deep stuff and force him to
be patient and the ball down and take what's underneath
and just wait and see if he gets impatient, makeshim
say that was a book on Josh Allen for four years,

(55:06):
right until he proved he could do that that one
game here.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
And so whatever offense Drake.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
May was in, he was gonna have He's gonna have
to hit those throws at some point because yes, he
wants to throw the ball deep. The other team knows
he wants to throw deep. They're gonna take that away.
Regardless of the system. They're gonna take the deep ball
away from Drake May until he proves he can Nicklin
dime and dink is dunk, dink and dunk is way
down the field. And then once you can do that, well,
now teams are gonna start creeping up and now you

(55:32):
can hit that deep ball behind him. They did it
to Alan, they did it to Mahomes, They've done it
to other quarterbacks who never proved they could do the
dink and dunk thing. And we're just big armed quarterbacks
and that's all they were. So not to dodge the question,
I don't. I don't think the system is what matters.
I don't necessarily I hear it, I think it.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
But if you're playing, like if you're playing a team,
and this is another thing that like I wish I
had sort of had more space in that right up
to talk about this. They're playing a team that is
playing a lot of zone and they're playing you know what,
because this is going to happen now like Vegas. Yeah,
just put a blueprint out there for the rest of
the NFL to your point, until he proves that he

(56:11):
can just dink and dunk and take these profits. Not
only does it limit the downfield throw ability if you
play these zone coverages, it also limits his mobility because
now you have eleven guys that have all their eyes
on the quarterback. When you play scrambling quarterbacks, and I
think this book is out from his rookie season, everybody
knows that Drake may is a really good scrambler and

(56:33):
a dynamic scrambler. So if you play man coverage, then
you turn your back to the quarterback down the field
and he's just going to take off running. And I
think everybody knows that now. So if you play these
teams that play cover two and cover three defense or quarters,
and they're trying to keep everything in front of them,
but also they're trying to limit him and put him
in the pocket. Basically they're asking him to sit in

(56:54):
the pocket and pick apart zone coverage and make consistent,
accurate throws. It's the right way to approach it. That's
that's the knock on him, Like that's the right that's
the right game plan. So from a play calling perspective
with McDaniels, just because they're sitting in two high and
three high zone doesn't mean you can't push the ball
down the field. You just need to time up your

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zone beaters and get routes to flood the zones down
the field like they did do this in this game.
A couple of times and they hit Hunter Henry on
a post wheel. But Cover three post wheel right, you run,
you run off the defender, you run the wheel route
right into the boundary, into the sideline. You flood the zone.
You know, they played Tampa two, they played Cover two.

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You have the hole shots on the sideline that he's
great at throwing, by the way, like corner shots into
the holes in the Cover two. Or you can split
the safety up top, you know, run the seam and
split the safeties. Like, there's ways to throw the football
down the field against these zone coverages. And if you
start doing that, then those windows underneath don't become as tight,

(57:59):
right because now they have to back off, and now
they have to you know, respect the deep ball. So they,
in my opinion, they just need to be more vertical
with how they're attacking things. And maybe that's not for
a full game, Like maybe it's just a little bit,
just enough to keep them honest, right, and then they
go to something else. We should move off, Drake though
we've talked enough about this. Who's your number two down here?

Speaker 4 (58:20):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Calev On Chase on Yeah, just you know, kind of
the opposite of booty.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Booty had a.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Strong summer and everything you saw the summer from him,
continued Caleb on, chase On kind of got a race
in this game. Now he's going up against Colton Miller,
who's a pretty good player. But I was hoping to
see a little more from him. I think there were
times where and on some of those blitzes in particular,
where we talked about they didn't get home. Landry and
Milton Williams collapse their side of the line, Barmore's getting doubled,

(58:46):
but chase On couldn't complete collapsing the pocket and it
allowed you know, Smith to have a little more time,
a little more room to move.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
And maneuver and find windows.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
So I was hoping we get we get a little
more from him, or honestly Keon White, who's held him
at times and also didn't do much.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Yeah, but I just thought we'd see more from them
in this game, especially chase On, like Yins's former team,
I thought we might see a little more from him. Yeah,
I wonder what Chase On And this is just a theory,
I because I didn't really notice him much on the
on the review either. I thought he was pretty quiet
in this game. I do wonder how much of that though,
was like him maybe being the guy that was supposed
to keep Gino in the pocket and maybe Milton Williams

(59:24):
and Landry let those guys go eat. Now most of
the time you think of that as armside rusher, which
would have been Harold Landry. So to have the backside
rusher be the one that is more like push the pocket,
you know.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Zero hour and then see where Gino likes to flip
the shoulders and run.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Maybe maybe maybe that was like just to maybe come
up with a little bit of an excuse as to
why calevon chase On was quiet in this game. My
number two down was Christian Ellish gave up sixty nine
yards and coverage six for sixty nine six for six
for sixty nine yards. Three mistackles in this game as well,

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the role out played a Gino threw the ball back
into the middle of the field. Even though the Dante
Thornton play was kind of the one that gets highlighted,
I thought that was really a big backbreaker in this
game as well. I just think that they need better
from bolter linebackers. I thought Splain was good in the
pass rush in this game, but I didn't think he
was particularly great in coverage or in space either. They

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just need both those guys to play better in Christian Ellis,
I do wonder, you know, we talk a lot about
these holdovers, like Jabiel Peppers is no longer here, Anthony
Jennings was inactive healthy scratch on Sunday in this game,
Kyle Dugger doesn't really have much of a role played
on this team now with Christian Ellis. I think he's
a really good special teams player. He's a really good

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third linebacker if you want to play him in that role.
I'm not quite sold on him as a starting week
side linebacker. And I wonder at what point, if this
continues with Elis, do they give Marte Maphu a chance
to play that spot. So he was number two for me?
Who's uh, you're on three?

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Number three?

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I actually had four? Okay, good Jared Wilson just ye
didn't I know?

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
It kind of got worse late, but I didn't get
much of a push in the run game, got beat
up a little bit in the pass gamaged rough first
game for the rookie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yep, that's fair. How much more to that, Jalen Hawkins?
So I have jail.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I wanted it because you know, I have to be
weird about it. I had Jalen Hawkins in his own category.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
So Jalen Hawkins was a hard one to put on
this list. Jalen Hawkins could have been on both. He
had a pick that was really Carlon Davis's play, but
he made but he made me the play Johnny on
the spot, I made to play. And he had a
sack that was really good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
A couple of the run stops at CFL again help
with the line of scrimmage, which is not what you
expect from him.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
He also gave up a twenty six yard touchdown, and
he gave up a thirty eight yard slant to two Bowers.
The Slayer. I want to talk about though, because I
I this is I was like weary of putting Jalen
Hawkins on the downs the main and why is I like,
why is Jalen Hawkins covering brought Bowers on a slant

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with no help? Like I just I don't think that's
a great call. I don't think that's a great call.
They need to figure out how they're gonna cover tight
ends because I don't know if Woodson or Hawkins is
really their answer for doing that. Maybe when Christian Gonzalez
gets back. I'm hoping when Christian gets all Gonzales gets
back Alex Austin that becomes his role is when you're

(01:02:25):
facing a Bowers level tight end, like a guy that's
that good, you put Alex Austin a better cover corner
on him. Other than the safeties. I thought the safeties
not so much Woodson, but Hawkins Pettis was on him
and Bowers dropped it. But he had all sorts of
space on a little shallow cross and beat del Pettis
too much of the safeties in manton Man coverage in

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this game, for my liking, I thought they were leaving
them out there to dry a little bit. So I
had a tough time with Hawkins being on here. But
two really big plays in this game. I think you
could have put him on ups and down. Yeah, like
it was. He had some very high highs and some
very low low's. It was a weird game. It was
an involved game for Jalen Hawkins. Yes, it was your
last one special teams. Oh yeah, I knew you were

(01:03:09):
gonna yeh. He had a missed field goal.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Bryce Bearinger shanks a punt at the worst possible time,
and we didn't even really get into the punt decision,
whether or not you think it was right or wrong
to punt there. I think we can all agree a
shank is not good. Yeah, So just you know, Borgolis
hit a couple more field goals after that, so it
wasn't terrible. Antonio Gibson a big kick return, they wasted it.
It went three and out, So it wasn't all terrible,

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But the mistakes came in big spots, which is why
I felt like I should put them on the list.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
It was even I and you know, I'm not a
special teams guy per se, and I kind of let
that that's sort of your lane that I let you have.
The Mike Rabel calling out the twenty one yard punt. Yeah,
in the post game that was interesting, Like he doesn't
normally just like single out specific guys for bad plays

(01:03:59):
like that, and you went right at it. Didn't Bill
do that once? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
I remember Bill doing that once and we were like, wow,
we called out the punter.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Twenty one yard punt not in a spot where they
needed to flip the field was not good. It's a
couple of penalties on special teams too. I thought they
didn't really create a ton of room in the returns either,
which I thought was going to be you know, Gibson
had that one, the forty one yarder to start, which
I thought was like, all right, well, this is what
we saw in the preseason, like this is going to
be a weapon for them. Didn't really get much else

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out of it, and then the missfield goal. It was
it was not a good first first outing for special
teams on a team that kind of needs to win.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Yeah, the markets like they need to win on the
on the margins.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
All right, So that's the the Raiders recap producer Alex.
Do we do we have to go to break here?
Do we have to do a commercial breaker? H No,
I cannot hear you. You can hear me, maybe possibly, No,
we don't need to do one. Okay, all right, let's
get to the calls and emails. I know you guys
have been waiting for a long time. Here Sean is

(01:05:00):
in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

Speaker 6 (01:05:04):
Hello, guys, how you guys doing good? I want to
touch on some of the things that uh like I
would like to say, like some of the things you
guys are saying like overrated when it comes like they're pressure,
because I feel like radically they got pressure, but they won't.
They weren't consistent all games. That reason why Diino was
very very comfortable back there when they delivered thros because

(01:05:25):
I don't believe that the press was all that consistent.
And then also when you look at the offense, because
it may not be able to live with the ball
with accuracy is the reason why the offense is suffered.
So because you guys to make those throws with and
seen the numbers, then teams are going to play him
like the way they're gonna play him. You're gonna take
away the deep ball. And so if you can't show
the guy at least have of respectable past the game,

(01:05:46):
the run is not going to work. So just you
gotta get something for teams to respect and so that
pass the game shows up, it's never going to work.
That's all I have to say.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah, No, those are two good points. I think we
both kind of brought those points up that the blitzing
worked and then it didn't. You know, it was very inconsistent.
It was very boom robust, which in some respects tends
to be the way it is when you blitz a lot,
like you're not always going to get home. And then yeah,
I think if you had to put the blame pie
of the offense, I thought there were open receivers. I

(01:06:17):
thought there was decent pass protection at time in this game.
I think Drake was probably the biggest reason why they
struggled in the second half in this game, which is
is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
So again, what I thought was interesting about the blitz Like, again,
you look at just where they ranked in the league,
the percentage of where they got home was relatively high.
Is I think fifty eight percent of their blitzes turned
into pressure, not sacks, but pressure, which was top ten
in the league. But if you they blitzed sixteen times.
If you look at all the other teams that were

(01:06:47):
in the top ten one blitz, I remember the exact teams.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
I don't listened front of me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
One blitz eleven, one blitz ten. Nobody else b blitz
more than double digits. So, like, fifty eight percent is
a good hit rate for a blitz, but it gets
to the point where the volume starts to matter. Because
I'm just gonna use round numbers to make it easy
Let's say you blitz eight times and you get home
on half. That's four potential big plays you're giving up.

(01:07:12):
Not great, but you can live. You should be able
to live giving up four big plays. Take that same
success rate of fifty percent, but apply it to a
team that blitzes sixteen times like the Patriots did. Well,
now you've given up eight big plays. You're still having
the same amount of success with the blitz, but you've
given up twice as many big plays. So the more

(01:07:33):
you I don't know, I'm trying to figure out a
way to make it not sound as obvious or maybe
this is just a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Bad take by me because it is too obvious. But
if you're gonna blitz that much, you have to be
good at it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Yeah, because you can't get by with an average success
rate because the more you blitz, like that's more big
plays are giving up, the more you're.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Exposed on the backside. Thank you. It's the what I'm
looking for so well. Because so this was another thing
that we talked about yesterday. It was the third and
twenty blitz at the end of the game. And I remember,
you know, in twenty nineteen, and I said this yesterday.
So I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself, but in twenty
nineteen with the Boogeyman defense, I remember how much cover
zero they were running. It was like all they were doing.

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That's Stefan Gilmour in his prime, defensive Player of the Year,
Stefan Gilmore. They had a great secondary. They were just
running cover zero, cover zero, cover zero all the time.
And that's where the Seeing Ghost thing came from with
Sam Darnold, like it was the whole thing. And I
remember going into the locker room after the Seeing Ghosts
game and I went to the McCarty's and I asked

(01:08:35):
the McCarty twins, like, what what's it like playing defensive
back when you're sending the house right and you're playing
cover zero all the time, And both of them said,
the most important thing is is that the pass rush
better get the frick home because we're out. We're back there,
and we are on islands and we are exposed. So
if this pass rush and the ball doesn't come out

(01:08:57):
quickly because of the pass rush, or they don't sack
them or whatever, then we're screwed, Like we can't cover
forever back here. And when I watched the third and
twenty play. The fact that Dante Thornton can run a
double move yet Carlton Davis to bite on it and
then run down the field forty yards and Gino Smith
is not on his butt is more indicative of the

(01:09:20):
call and the lack of pressure than it is on
Carlton Davis. And then they sent seven on that plat.
I argued with Paul and Fred about this because they
told me that, you know, Carlton Davis can't get burned
like that. Carlon Davis is sitting there expecting the ball
to have to come out, like he's thinking that it's
cover zero and there's gonna be a ton of pressure
and the ball is gonna come out quickly, and I'm
gonna just jump this or I'm gonna, you know, make it.

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You know, he runs a hitch and he's probably thinking, oh,
he's adjusting to the blitz and he's gonna run a
hitch in front of me to give Gino a quick
out out of the pressure. And then all of a
sudden he's running by him and the pressure doesn't do
its job. So if you're gonna blitz, you gotta get home,
especially if you're gonna cover zero you got to get home.
Absolutely true. All right, Chris is in New Hampshire. What's up? Chris?

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Hey follows heavy one of day, Thank you too. Last
year everything was like Drake's left foot forward and mechanics
and mechanics and all this stuff. Is he getting that
help this year? And who is the quarterbacks coach? And
then my other question is how different is what Dabele
does what Josh McDaniel does, because I think they both

(01:10:27):
run the same AP style offense and I was kind
of hoping to see McDaniels and Drake do what kind
of Dable and Alan were doing when they were doing
it together. Let's take the answer off air.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Thanks guys, Thanks Chris. It's a very good question about
his footwork in mechanics and something that I maybe we'll
get some answers about. We'll talk to Josh McDaniels tomorrow.
We don't talk to the offensive coaches this week. We
talked to them last week. Patriots quarterbacks coaches Ashton Grant.
And when they hired Ashton Grant, Ashton Grant was actually
in Cleveland in his past stop running the same system

(01:11:03):
that AVP was running here last year. So the hope
was is that some of these things like the left
foot forward and the footwork stuff that AVP did with
Drake would translate would continue into this system because of
the Ashton Grant overlap there. It's a very fair question.
I said it off the top of the show. To me,
if Drake May falls apart mechanically and reverts back to

(01:11:25):
the way that he was at North Carolina, that's as
much of an indictment on the coaches as it is
on him. Like it's their responsibility to make him fundamentally
sound and keep him fundamentally sound. That is their job.
That is why they are here now. I don't want
to make it. I don't want to scapegoat Ashton Grant here.
I want to be careful. Josh McDaniels is running Drake May.

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This is Josh McDaniels' job. This is his show. He's
with the quarterbacks all the time. Josh McDaniels in the
past has often been an offensive coordinator slash quarterbacks coach
with the Patriots in other places. So don't pass the
buck to Ashton Grant like this is who was it
was it Steve Smith that like blamed Taekwon Underwood for

(01:12:09):
like the Patriots receivers. Yeah, like, don't don't pass the
buck to the lieutenants. This is not the lieutenants problem.
This is a Rabel Josh McDaniel's problem. This is high
level stuff like the quarterback in the development of your
second year quarterback is not on the position coach. I
think that just in general, just a quick soapbox thing,

(01:12:31):
like I think we blame the lieutenants way too much
for things. A lot of those decisions are made way
above their pay grade. It's like blaming middle management for
CEO problems. And I don't want to escapegoat Ash and
Grant by any means. Todd is in Gardner. What's up, Todd?

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Todd got you? All right? Todd call back in We
We know you're listening. Bride is in Ohio. What's up, Brad?

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Hey, guys had under that good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Good?

Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
I just had a couple observations and you know, questions too.
And first of all, on the you know the question
about the Davis play, I agree with. I used to
play safety, so yeah, you're gonna bite on. You're going
after the ball wherever it's you know, if the guy's

(01:13:29):
making a move, you're making a move with him, you're
and you're probably not thinking vertical route anyway, coach or player.
So you know, so it was a good play call
in bad corner play.

Speaker 7 (01:13:42):
That's just what a.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Little bulls down to to me or whoever's guarding the guy.
But nonetheless, let's just hypothetically say that's Gonzales out there. Well,
then I'm running that play a little bit more with
him being that guy instead of David right, So that
makes a difference too when you're run zero blitz and

(01:14:05):
then at something. I'm wondering what you guys would think
if we run the left against elite pass rushers more
with will string versus you know, him having to neutral
live a blocker or a rusher seventy five percent of
the time running left against an elite pass rusher opposed

(01:14:30):
to making them, you know, hold up the pass protection.
What do you guys think about that? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Yeah, I definitely think there was something going on there
with Campbell and Wilson and wanted to get them off
the ball and into the game. Right. Like, if you
run behind guys, offensive lineman will always tell you like
they they want to run block. They don't want to
pass block, they want to come off the ball, they
want to hit some people, they want to get into
the game physically. I talked to Jared Wilson on Friday

(01:14:59):
of last week. That's exactly what he said to me.
I was like, what what is you know? When will
you know what will make you comfortable in this game?
And he said, you know, run, let's run the ball,
let me hit some people, let me get off the football,
get on a double team, move some bodies. They just
weren't able to move the bodies like that. That that
was all it really was. But I do think that
there was some element of now, they didn't have to

(01:15:21):
do it the whole time, like they could have mixed
it up a little bit. But I think there was
some element of let's get these rookies comfortable. Let's try
to get them into some run game stuff. Let's run
behind them, let's show some confidence in them in that
way too, and you know, let's see where it goes.
He brought up Campbell. We haven't really talked much about Campbell.

(01:15:43):
I think that's a great thing that we haven't talked
much about Campbell. If he had a terrible game, I
think we'd be talking a lot more about Campbell. So
I think that that's a really good sign. And I
think that with Campbell specifically, what did you see in
this game and what did because I thought that he
the fall stars obviously can't happen, you know, he's got

(01:16:04):
to cut down on those, that's a given. But in
terms of the block to block execution, like how his
actual blocking looked, I thought this was really promising stuff
for him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
I thought he was solid, you know, as a run blocker,
I thought he was obviously didn't have a ton of
success running the ball. He didn't have a ton of opportunities.
I think he gave you a baseline. You know, him
and Jared Wilson struggled on some double teams, struggled to
get up to the second level at times. So that's
something that they're going to need to build and you know,
talking to David Andrews on Monday, kind of said, that's

(01:16:33):
just something that's going to come with continuity. That's the
five guys with the same set of eyes and maybe
you're seeing the result of Jared Wilson missing that time
at the end of camp Yeah, and them just need
to get back on the same page. I thought as
a pass blocker, he looked solid.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
I really do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
I think that's more or less what I expected to
get out of him. He's not Joe Thomas, right, but
I thought he was fine. I know he's getting tagged
for two sacks. So the first one, to me, Drake
May just steps up and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
The pressure is caused by Crosby on the end.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Rosby comes around, beats with Bradbury. I think Jared Wilson
and Drake May steps up, and that's when where Drake
May should probably flip the shoulders and peel out, but he.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Steps up on not on Campbell.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Tyree Wilson's literally able to just disengage, turn to his left,
and Drake May's right there. The second one is interesting
if you go back and you watch that play, this
is the strip sack. Campbell sets up pretty far inside Malcolm.
He's expecting the chip, and you don't get much of

(01:17:39):
a chip. Ramondrake kind of gives him one of like
the elbows. It's not a full chip, it's not a
full check and release. And look, we don't know the play,
so maybe he wasn't supposed to do that, and he
saw Campbell needed help and held up. But what I
think is telling is I think he realizes he didn't
help enough for Mondra because he turns back around and
at one point him and Campbell are sandwiching Malcolm koons

(01:18:01):
like remanderies behind him with his hands on the numbers
on the back of his jersey. So you want to
put that one half on Campbell, I guess, But I
think he.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Was supposed to get help their didn't get help.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
It again, I don't want to give away the whole
podcast if people want to go back and listen. On
the Sports of YouTube page, David Andrews pointed out something
really interesting. So when Trent Brown was on, when Trent
Brown was that guy in twenty eighteen, right, he didn't
want help because and this is just what Andrews, right,
you have a plan for how you're going to attack

(01:18:33):
the guy, and you want to attack him. And now,
if you're expecting help, you're gonna set up differently. But
if the help doesn't come right or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
And a lot of guys say that they get thrown
off by chips because you're you're set inside, you're expecting
the chips. Sometimes the chip can actually push the defender
so far to the inside that you get beat inside.
Other times, the Chipchael on the strip sack, the trip
isn't his chip isn't fully there, and so then you
get beat to your edge. There's a lot of tackles

(01:19:01):
that would prefer to not deal with chips.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
So yeah, and so look, I don't we kind of
spent all summer saying they're going to have to help
out Will Campbell, and I don't think that's incorrect, but
there's going to be a line there, right, And.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
If you get that game from Will Campbell for seventeen games, great,
like the blocking, the penalties, like you said, like that
can't happen. He did have a little bit of a
penalty problem last year at LSU. That was my bigger
knock on him, frankly than the arm length was there
was an uptick in penalties last year. And you can't be,
especially at home, you can't be committing false starts.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Yeah, so I would like to see him, you know,
obviously the whole unit. But right, he's a better run
blocker than he showed up, so he's got to improve there.
I think him and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Wilson getting more chemistry in that regard will help. But
like more or less, if that's the game he get
from him, especially as a pass.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
I mean three, I had him with three pressures on
fifty three dropout, which is not bad at all. So
that's not bad at all. You gotta kind of put
player no, and you gotta you kind of have to
put the strip sack on him like it's his guy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Like I, yes, he's suspecting the chick. It's on him
that it's his guy. We can give we can give
defensive lineman half a sack.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
I think I don't like half sacks. I'm not a
believer in that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
All right, But if we're gonna give it a defensive lineman,
like I think it's half, it's half on him because
you do want your fourth overall pick to recover better
when the chick's not there. But he was expecting No,
that's the kind of mistake that like if he if
that happens in December, I'll hold it against him a
lot more than happening in his first NFL start.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
I like how you're doing this podcast with David Andrews
because now you're interested in the offense.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
I was always interested, but now I just feel that's
your No, what don't say it was never interesting?

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
And you know I'm not saying like interested in, like
you didn't care about it. I'm saying interested in takes
about it normally. I had, like you know, you just
kind of this is your area of expert.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
No, I love it, just to fault to you and
let you cook. I got great stuff from d A
again the sports of YouTube pain.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Stop plugging it. You did a podcast with David Andrew.
Have you listened to it? I have not. I'm a
little hurt. I thought you would enjoy that. I'll get
around to it. I don't expect you to listen to
everything I do. I get that we're busy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
You don't need to listen to your old show anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
I thought you would listen to me sitting down with
David Andrew.

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to talk dolphins. Mark, what's going on?

Speaker 11 (01:24:15):
Hey guys, how you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
Evin?

Speaker 11 (01:24:16):
I tried to get a hold of you guys yesterday,
but you guys were pretty jamming there at Patriots unfieldered
so what my couple of questions were? And I didn't
know if we could go back and forth a little
bit instead of hanging up. But sure, Jack Westover got
moved to fullback.

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
I was at the game. I don't think I saw
him take a snap at full back, and I really
wanted him to be a fullback and to open up
the gap because as you saw, there was no gaps
open at all. To run it up to guy like
there was absolutely nothing. And then my other take was
Jayjon Boody, I think you guys are forgetting he should

(01:24:54):
have been a first round pick. I think his first
year at LSU he went off for some crazy amount
of yards and reception, and I think we might be
looking at first year lsu k Shawn Booty Reborn. So
what do you guys think of that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Yeah, thanks for the call. Mark. I would say that
with the full back, Jack west Ever played two snaps
in this game, and I thought both times it didn't
go well, and I think they kind of were like, well,
if we can't get the first level blocked, then there's
no point of having a full back because he's not
getting to the block that he needs to get to anyways.

(01:25:33):
So it really just is another body just mucking things up,
and so I think they kind of went away from that.
He had one play in particular that was just kind
of like a lead and Garrett Bradbury gets beat on
the line of scrimmage. So Jack Westover has to just
take Garrett Bradbury's guy and now Devin White, the linebacker
is unblocked anyways, and so Devin White just crashes down

(01:25:55):
and makes the taggle. You know, if you're not getting
up to that next level of the defense, then there's
it kind of ruins the point of the fullback, if
that makes sense. Uh, his booty take. Yes, we Hey, look,
we talked a lot about booting the draft and for
some reason, Alex, we are, especially me, are getting labeled
booty haters, like we all of a sudden hate Kai
Shan Boody. H. I think it's great what Kay Shan

(01:26:17):
body has done. He's developed, he's gotten better and better
with each season. Uh. He his first season at LSU,
he was really, uh explosive, he was he was an
explosive athlete. I think he's become more technically savvy and stronger.
I don't see necessarily that uh you know, breakaway speed

(01:26:40):
like I always remember at LSU, like him catching that
slant against was it like old miss or Mississippi State? Yeah,
and just gone to the house, right. I don't know
if that's Kai Shan Boody's game anymore. But he's evolved
and he's gotten better and better. I think it's great
what he's done, and he's really deserves a ton of
credit for it, and frankly a ton of credit for

(01:27:01):
it during a timeframe where not a lot of other
receivers have developed here. So he's kind of done it.
No offense to the coaching staff. He's kind of done
it on his own.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
He's done it over over multiple coaching staff Yeah, you know,
multiple coaches, So.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
You know he's been he's been like, Yeah, I was
out on him for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
He ran like a would he run it like a
four to eight?

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
And no, I wasn't that bad. It was like a
four or five.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
I wish I knew he ran it bad. Ankle, Yeah,
that was context.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
That would would have been good.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
We didn't find that out till after the draft. But
he's always at I've said this, he's always at talent.
I've never denied he has talent. It was consistency. He
just needed to be able to go out there weekend
and week out and do it and look, it's just
one game, so we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
But that was my big thing with me camp.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
This was the best camp he's had because he was
showing up every single day and we weren't going three,
four five days without a catch the way he had
the previous couple of years. So if he can be
more consistent, the talent's there. You just can't have a
guy out there that you can't count on week to week.
And maybe some people would disagree, this is a me thing,
Like I'm general lower on George Pickens than most people.
George Pickens is like the extreme idea of this or

(01:28:04):
Gabe Davis, where you know they'll have a thousand yard seasons,
seven hundred of the yards come in four games. And
I'm not saying that that's bad, but especially on a
team that doesn't like those guys are really good number
twos because you can't rely on them every week and
you need somebody you rely on, and your offense can't
bank on a guy like that. I'm not saying this
offense needs a bank on Kaishan Booty, but that's just

(01:28:25):
always been my opinion. Give me the guy that puts
up a thousand yards in a season but is more
or less giving you the same thing every week over
the guy that puts up eleven or twelve hundred yards
in a season, but it's all in like five games
and then he just disappears in the rest of it.
I unless you're a team that has a ton of
talent around him, like that guy needs to be a

(01:28:47):
complimentary piece. That guy can't be a main part of
your offense. And right now, Kaishan Boody looks a lot
more consistent, and so if he's gonna look this consistent,
he is talented and he should have a bigger role.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
So I I want to continue to preface this by
saying this is not a knock on kish On Booty.
My only take on kish On Booty that might not
be the most positive thing that I could possibly say,
is I'm just not sure that it's he's a number
one receiver, and if he's your best receiver or your

(01:29:18):
more most productive receiver, then I don't know if that
means that you have a great passing offense. That's not like,
that's not his fault, like it's not it's not I'm
not taking shots at him. Like he's developed, he's gotten
better and better, he's gotten more consistent, to your point,
and he has now made himself a viable NFL wide receiver.

(01:29:39):
But they need guys that make him more of a
complimentary piece than the focal point of the offense. I
just don't see number one receiver ability. And if that
you're gonna take that as me crapping on the guy,
then I guess that's how you're gonna take it. But
that's a good thing. They have a receiver that can

(01:30:00):
play in Kai Shan Boody. That's good. Once Diggs gets
more comfortable and gets his knee back to one hundred
and ten percent and gets that game speed back up.
Hopefully it's to Fon Diggs is the number one receiver
that we hoped he was when they assigned him, and
now Kaishan Boody is like a complimentary or number two
receivers Tofawon Diggs, and now you're cooking with something. Now

(01:30:21):
there's something that you got going on. Or if it
doesn't happen for Diggs, it's next offseason. It's a it's
a high priority, and you go out and you get
a true number one guy and you make Kaishan Boody
a number two or a number three receiver, and now
you have depth. Now you have a good receiver room.
That's the hope. There's not a knock on Kaishan Boody.
That's just the roster and the talent on the roster.

(01:30:44):
The other receiver thing that we're getting a ton of
questions about alex is Kyle Williams and did not play
much in this game. Did have one catch and that
hurry up two minute towards the end of the game
where I thought he ran a nice route, ran a
nice comeback. You kind of got the corner out, got
up to top speed, sat the route down, I ran
the corner off a little bit and craved that underneath separation.

(01:31:07):
There's a lot of conversations about Matt Collins' performance in
this game, obviously to Mario Douglas's performance in this game.
Would you like to see more Kyle Williams in week two?

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
I mean, yeah, I think they need that speed. Who
do you put him on the field for. I know
a lot of people probably want pop.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Douglas off the field.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
I think that there was more there that he could
have done that. I think the Raiders were sitting on
him at times and take him away. I think Drake
may missed him at times. You know, Diggs game, what
do you make of that first game back off the ACL.
It obviously wasn't a massive game, but I think it
was probably a bit of a feeling out process.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
I thought it was good enough from Diggs. I thought
it was good enough.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
So like I would go to a rotation between those
three guys probably, I don't think you're putting Kyle Williams
on the field for someone. I take a few snaps
from Digs, few snaps from Douglas, and get Kyle Williams
on the field. Yeah, I'd like see more.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
They need a speed, they need his ability after the
catch and just see.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
They can't bury another receiver. They can't do another year
of its Week eight until even see the draft pick receiver.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Yeah. So I think the speed is the number one thing.
They need somebody with some vertical juice and the ability
to win with speed on the outside. And that's Kyle
Williams's game. That's why he's here, that's why they drafted him.
So I would like to see it. It doesn't have
to be a huge package of plays. He doesn't have
to go out there and play seventy snaps on Sunday,
but maybe you give him twenty to twenty five snaps

(01:32:37):
instead of what I think he had a handful in
this game, and he really only got him I think
because Booty got hurt. Yeah, and allow him to play
a little bit more. I would really like to see
that on Sunday. Trying to look up his snapcount real quick. Yeah,
he played seven. I thought I was gonna say seven,
but I wasn't a hundred percent sure he played seven
in this game. I think if you get that to
twenty and you just give him a few more routes

(01:32:59):
and get more off opportunities. That would be a good
thing with Pop. I thought that Pop he had to drop.
And I saw this a little bit on the preseason
tape after the one in Minnesota that Drake airmailed over
his head. I thought there were opportunities for Pop in
this game. I thought he got opened a couple of
times underneath the defense. And we've already we've already nitpicked

(01:33:22):
Drake enough about the short game and the short passing.
But my developing theory back in the preseason, and I
continue to have this developing theory, is Pop Douglas a
five foot eight slot receiver that doesn't have a large
catch radius. I don't think that this is an issue
of like Pop Douglas wasn't sitting properly against zones and

(01:33:42):
stuff like that. I don't think that's what was happening.
It's not Pop Douglas's fault that he gets open on
the first third down of the game and Drake throws
a ten yards over his head right like that. That's
not the receiver's fault. He was open, he ran the
right route, he was in the right place. It just
he missed the throw. He missed the row, he was
opened twice. He caught the touchdown to play before that.

(01:34:04):
He was also open again on the crosser and Drake
missed him. He just didn't make a great throw. So
I get the stat line looks bad, but I would
just say with Pop, I did not think, because I
see that I'm seeing this a ton that he's not
sitting in zone and this is a big conversation with
him now that I not to like toot my own horner,
like go on an ego trip here for a second.

(01:34:26):
I feel like partially responsible for because I feel like
we brought that. We bring this up a lot on
this show. This is the type of stuff we talk
about a lot on this show. I don't think that
that was the issue on Sunday. I think the issue
on Sunday was he had a bad drop. Yep, Drake
missed him a couple of times, and it just didn't
go well. They just couldn't get on the same page.
They couldn't get on the same page. They when Pop

(01:34:48):
was opened, Drake missed him, When Pop, when Drake hit him,
Pop dropped it right, And it was so that sort
of thing. So I'll give it a little bit more time.
Before we start. I know there's already calls for afting
chain and give it a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
You gotta get Kyle Williams on the field first before
fton Chism. Like that's well, we'll we'll get there with
fton chism. Kyle Williams was first of all higher, he
was a draft pick. Chism wasn't drafted.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Yeah, he brings straight line speed that Chism doesn't give
you that you need you gotta get. You gotta figure
it out first Kyle.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
Williams, and then you can figure out afton Chism.

Speaker 5 (01:35:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Last thing on pop the the working theory, the catch
radious thing I think might be at play here, and
I highly doubt that that Drake may whatever admit to it,
and he shouldn't. But when you don't have great accuracy
throw to throw, and then you're throwing to you know,

(01:35:41):
in a small pocket in zone coverage and you have
to hit a five foot eight slot receiver that's moving
across the field, that has to be a pinpoint accurate throw.
If it's a little behind, if it's a little high,
that's a pick.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
So do you worry about that at all? With Kyle Williams,
tho Kyle Williams. I mean he's not as small as piece.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Yeah, not as much because I think of where he's
going to be targeted, Like I think Pop is running
over the middle of the feat do you worry about
with Chisholm. Not as much because he's bigger. Is he
how much bigger? It's five ten five eleven, I mean
it's yeah, two and a half inches taller is not nothing.
But I'm not with you. I'm not there yet. I'm
not I'm not on twosm Island yet. I'm not We're

(01:36:22):
not going there yet. But I do think that the
catch radius thing is something to think about, something to monitor.
Is just does is it better off in the long
term for Drake made to have receivers like at least
like a Kaishan booty type, you know, that has a
bigger frame and has a bigger catch radius. That's why
I don't want to give up on mac Collins either,

(01:36:44):
because I think that that's a perfect type of receiver
for Drake. If Mac Collins can get his game going,
it's a really good fit from a six foot four
big target. Like we see how how comfortable he is
throwing a hunter Henry, you know, It's just I think
it's a catch radius thing I do. Dolphins. I keep
saying it, Dolphins, Dolphins, Dolphins were talking about the Dolphins

(01:37:06):
this game on Sunday. To me, I don't think the
Patriots are good enough to call it a trap game,
but it's kind of one of those trappy games because
I keep hearing about how and I know this is
your boy, McDaniel. I know you are loving the fact that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Can we talk about how he's a bad head coach
yet or do we still have to wait?

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
Because he look at all the motion? The motion's fun?

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
Is it fun getting your doors blown off by a team?
Get the first overall pick and the Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
No, the Colts might be better than me think. I
don't think so. I can't sit here though, and say, well,
the Dolphins are imploding like this should be. The Patriots
would win this game. The Patriot Dolphins. They might be,
but the Patriots have never beaten to a No. They
haven't won him down in Miami since twenty nineteen. That

(01:37:54):
was Tom Brady was the quarterback of the Patriots. The
last time they beat the Miami Dolphins in Miami. Antonio
Brown was catching passes from Tom Brady. The last time
the Patriots beat the Miami Dolphins in Miami, they've never
solved Tua. Now it's a different coaching staff, different defense.
I do think the defense that they're running now has
a better chance against Tua because it's not the bigger

(01:38:15):
linebackers that are, you know, clunky in space, and they're
not going to use their team speed to stretch a Maut. Well,
they'll try, but maybe they won't be as effective at
doing that, but you can. If you want to take
your McDaniel victory lap, I'll let you do it. But
in my mind, I'm throwing out week one for Miami,
and I'm going off the history, like seven to zero
against the Patriots for Tua they had, the Patriots have

(01:38:39):
never played well down in Miami. I can't imagine sitting
here and having a ton of confidence about the Patriots
going down in Miami this week.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
So I'll just say this about the Patriots having never
beat Tua, I do put and I don't know, Evan,
you can tell me if I'm allowed to put this
asterisk on this. It might be the Patriots have never
beat two. I don't think it's about Tua. I think
it's about the Dolphins defense. I know you keep saying,
so just just real quick, just real quick. Outside of
last year, which was obviously a mess, right, they just

(01:39:10):
weren't good last year. The points the Dolphins have scored,
the two was put up against the Patriots twenty four
to twenty thirty three. That was in Miami, twenty two,
and I think there's a couple defensive touchdowns in there. Yeah,
seventeen to twenty two. He's never out Before last year,
he had never thrown multiple touchdowns in a game.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Right, But it's the official against the Patriots actially the game.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
It's the efficiency, but like, yeah, it's efficiency because the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
So here's the Patriots scoring totals. They were not competitive
in those two games with him last year.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
I just listen, here's Patriots scoring totals fifteen seventeen, seventeen seven,
twenty four, sixteen twelve. He's just not screwing up. He's
it's not like he's out here dicing the Patriots up.
He's not screwing up. I think he was dicing the
Patriots up. Not People are acting like he's thrown for
five hundred yards against them.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
But it's not about the yards it's about the efficiency
and it's about.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
This is my point, because he can play that way
because the Patriots defense, the Patriots offense has The Dolphins
have done more damage defensively to the Patriots, and they
have offensively. Again, they've broken twenty once. Right, but against Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
You're not going to get into a track meet with
Miami and try to outscore the Dolphins. No, but you
have not gonna win game. You have to score.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
They're just making them entirely too comfortable. The bigger issue
for the Patriots again, this is not like two has
been good. This is not to say hasn't. I just
think this thing gets miscast. I think the bigger issue
against the Dolphins has been the offense, not the defense.
Going back to twenty twenty, I think it's that they
can't do anything. Now they had some really good defensive
coordinators there. Defensive head coaches was Flores and then it

(01:40:47):
was it's Fangio, right was there whom my third year
per year? And now the defense might be better, Right
now the defense might be bad. So they got a score.
They've got a score against my I get you don't
want to get into a track meet with him. Although
I'm a little less scared of that this year. When
you look at what the Patriots defensive line did and
when you look at what my off Miami's offensive line

(01:41:09):
is going to be in this game, I think they're
going to be starting a career right career college right tackle.
I don't know how many NFL games he's played at
right guard this week, if I saw that correctly.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
Yeah, Keon something or other, Keon Smith or the.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
Patriots should be able to disrupt the Miami offense more. Sorry,
they they have to the games in Miami. They've only
actually played to uh twice in Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Oh no, that's twice last week in that game and
we trunk. He didn't play in the first game. He
was hurt. Right, eighty second percentile EPA per play to
eighty second percent times. I'm not good with percentiles. You want, yeah,
you want it to be closer to one hundred. He
was good last week. You know this is last year
against the Patriots. Okay, twelve last year against the patrik Yes,

(01:41:52):
you're eighty sec point plus zero point three to two
EPA per play like he he was? Does them up?
I don't know what we're.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
Talking about, right, and I even said last year, last year,
they were bad. They've they've scored more than seventeen points once. Evan,
regardless of what to it does, can't score. But in
seventeen points.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
Going to get a problem sometimes with points allowed and
things like that. Like it's about the way the game
goes right, like Miami is is just they have not
stopped to him. I'm not like the game before that
that they played to a week two. Remember that game
here Gonzo had the pick. Yeah, it was one of
his first signature plays. Seventy ninth percentile EPA per play,

(01:42:35):
Like they just I don't think that they've done a
lot of good things against Tua, and I think that
it's more recent like when he was early on in
his career. I probably am with you that early on
in his career.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
So last year's team that was not good in any facet,
I will get it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Yes he turned it on twenty three, Like I can
keep going back, But they like to two has had
a lot of success against them.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
He has, but they've also allowed him to get very
comfortable because the offense is a non factor. So the
offense is not.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
A threat they when you play to how we're.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
On the opposite side of this, Like usually it's me
arguing no defense matters, and you're the ones saying, just
score all the points and who cares what.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
It does, because I think that depends on the game,
on the team that you're playing. Oh so now you
want to add context. I don't think that this is
so the opposite where we u. I do not think
that you can get into a track meet with the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
You can't get into a track meet, but you have
to score. Scoring more than seventeen points is not a
track meet.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Yeah you're okay, thank you, but you can't like you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
They can't score board seventeen points on them.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Okay, but you can't sit here and say that Tua
hasn't played well against the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
No, I never said that, but I just view it
as the bigger issue. They're both issues. They've sucked against
the Dolphins on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
I think Miami's team's speed has overwhelmed them every single
time they play since since Ta McDaniel and Tyree kill
have gotten there. I think that they've been non competitive
against their speed.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
Their inability to do anything offensively, and those games gets
underrated because everybody looks.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
At what Tua did, and I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
People want to take a victory lap on to a
being good against the Patriots? Would I I don't get it, like, yeah,
Bill never beat him. Sure, there's people that want to
take a victory lap on that that's not.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
The whole story.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
That that that's ignoring a whole chunk of what's going on.
That's been the issue. They have not been able to
crack Miami's defense in years. And even if they do
a little bit better of a job on Tua, you're
not gonna beat this team scoring again twelve sixteen, twenty four, seven,
seventeen fifes.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
But you're not gonna be anybody doing that right, and
that's why they haven't one.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
But why do we just ignore it against the Dolphins?
It matters again everybody else against the dog. That's what
you're doing by just say to all I've heard this
week is to it to it?

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
Can the Patriots?

Speaker 7 (01:44:45):
Can?

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
We ask the Patriots to score points against him, and
we can drive. But the thing that he gets he
can take the easy read every time. And yes, he's
been incredibly efficient because he doesn't have to take any
risks because he knows that if he puts up twenty points,
they're gonna win the game. Put a little pressure on
him score some points. I'm not saying getting a track, which.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
We love, got for them to score some points. I
just don't know if they can. Like I, this is
what I've been does. This is why I've been so down.
It does because if they're going to score thirteen points
a game, then they're not going anywhere. We all know that,
and you know what they're reality. They should be better. Yes,
they have to score.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
They should have been better against in this game because
the line sucks. Who knows what's where Tyreek Hills at
like they should the.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
Coach who knows the going get it. This is God,
this is the game. This has got to be it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
But even with all that, they have to score more
than seventeen points.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Probably do it. Thank you that that's a that's a
bold take by you, that they have to score seventeen points.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
He has apparently been single handedly been beating the patrols,
he's blocking, he's catching.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
You watch this game like when you watched that game
last year down in Miami. Do you think they were
competitive against Miami's offense?

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
No, but there I honestly don't really remember that much
about that game.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
I was going to watch it today. But like it
was like early on in that game, like they it
was not campetitive, they were getting they were runs together
for me at this time, Okay, let's move on and
off of Tua first. In this capacity, we're gonna go,
We're gonna agree to this. Ignore the fact that their offense.
Their offense has been bad for two years, really three years.
We know that, we know that their offens been bad.

Speaker 4 (01:46:17):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
The The key to Tua to me is taking away
the middle of the field. He loves throwing those in
breaking routes. That's what kills the Patriots because their linebackers
and safeties have not been great cover players over the
last handful of years. That's you, it's a bad matchup, right,
Like it's tuas really good at attacking between the numbers

(01:46:39):
on those inbreaking routes. You know, the slants, the crossers.
Like you, We've seen it in a million times. It's
Tyree Kill and Jaylen Waddle coming running across the field
against a Patriot linebacker safety and it's not it's not close,
it's not competitive. So taking away the middle of the field,
and he is a rhythmic passer. He's a time rhythmic passer.

(01:47:01):
So you've got to get pressure on him. They hit
him and you got to move him off his spot,
and you got it. The whole offense, from the motion,
to all of the routes that they like to run from,
the inbreaking stuff, from the anticipation he likes to throw to,
the entire offense is predicated on timing. Is a timing
based game for them. That's what they're a West Coast offense.

(01:47:21):
That's true for most West Coast offenses, but it's even
more true for Miami. So the best way to throw
off their timing and their rhythm is to get to
an office spot. You gotta move them, You got to
hit them, you got to get make him hold of football,
because what they've had issues with in the past, especially
on early downs against Tua, is that he just gets
rid of the ball so dang quickly that they can't

(01:47:42):
get to him and he's just dicing them up in
the middle of the field. So Raybell had some success
in twenty thirteen or twenty twenty three, I should say,
as a Titans head coach against Tua, a lot of
too high coverage a lot of Tampa too, with that
whole player just sitting in the slant and dig window
just waiting for him to throw that ball and just
allowing you know, the pass rush some time and making

(01:48:04):
them hold it on the other side of the ball.
For the Patriots with Drake May against this defense, the
Miami secondary is in hell like they are decimated by injuries.
Jack Jones right now is probably their best and number
one corner, which kind of tells you where they are
from a defense perspective. Minca is still back there, but
the rest of the secondary is really I mean, Daniel

(01:48:26):
Jones looked like he was Tom Brady on Sunday in Indianapolis.
That being said, they have a good front, they have
a good pass rush package. Past pass rush package, it's
hard to say they have a good front and pass
rush package. That's what beat the Patriots last year in
Week twelve, and Drake starred against them. Anthony Weaver coming
it came after him, He blitzed him a time, a

(01:48:46):
lot of different types of Britz pressure. That was a
big problem for them in that game. So being ready
for that, obviously, Bradley Chubb coming off the injuries not
quite the same guy right now, but Bradley Chubb, Jalen Phillips,
Zack Sealer. They have a good front seven, they have
a good pass rush. So in this game, you gotta
try to figure out ways to block it because I

(01:49:08):
do think you're gonna have open receivers down the field.
I think everybody's gonna have open receivers against Miami. If
you can block it, just gotta block it. What are
you what are you looking for on this game? From Drake?
From Drake and the offense's home and the offense, well,
I would say on the defense first, just real quick again,
Miami's got a backup line in there, so you to
your point about too, like it's all pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
It's all pressure and getting into him. On offense, I
mean they got to establish the run and the dolphin.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
They weren't horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
Against the run last week, as bad as that game went,
but there should be opportunities to run on them. May
I just want to see him get his head on
right and like not kind of for again last week,
throws that interception, change his game, come out, throw the ball,
test some windows, set his feet and just kind of
go back to where he was again. The first half

(01:49:56):
last week was fine. If that's what you get out
of Drake May on a regular basis, I think you can.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Live with that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
You know, he had a couple of misses here and there,
but overall, I thought, I mean, that was competitive quarterback play.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
I was going to keep you in just about every game, right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
Obviously there's the element of, you know, late in the game,
if it's close, how does he play there? But just
big picture, I thought that was perfectly fine quarterback, Like
can you get back to that and not get knocked
out of it?

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
So quickly? Here from Jonathan Jones, where's Jonathan Worgan in
front nowadays? CBS not former Patriot Jonathan no No Insider
reporter Jonathan Jones saying that the Dolphins are probably going
to have a backup right side to their offensive line.
So I was right. Keon Smith is the in line
to start at right guard right now for James Daniels

(01:50:40):
who they just placed on ir and Austin Jackson's out
too with a injury as well. They're starting right tackle.
So you're looking at Keon Smith at right guard and
Larry Boram at right tackle. Harold Andrey against Larry Boram
is a matchup that the Patriot should be able to exploit,
and Milton Williams on whoever's it right? Right? So I
expect him to put ninety seven in two over the

(01:51:02):
right guard and the right tackle and just let let
him go to work and see what happens. Yeah, we
got to wrap up the show here, but we do
have two more calls really quickly though. It's your calls,
because we got to get the say stage set here
for Patriots unfiltered. James is in North Carolina. What's up, James? James?

Speaker 7 (01:51:22):
Hey guys, I'm here, Okay, cool?

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
What's up?

Speaker 5 (01:51:23):
Hear me?

Speaker 4 (01:51:24):
All right?

Speaker 7 (01:51:25):
I tried to writing yesterday, Paul and Fred didn't get
to it. It's understandable considering how yesterday's show went. Is
Josh McDaniel's capable of allowing Tom House to come in
and keep Drake May's fundamentals and mechanics where they need

(01:51:45):
to be, get them back where they need to be
because I heard you talking about his mechanics starting to
slip again already without getting butt hurt and causing friction
and that coaching staff.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Yeah, thanks for the calle, James. I don't know why
Tom House. I mean Tom House worked with Brady for
like fifteen years, so I don't know why that would
cause friction. I don't know if we're there yet. Like,
I don't know, it's been one game. I don't know
if they need to go to that extreme. Drake in
the past has worked with Clie Christensen, who was sort
of like an advisor to the program at North Carolina.

(01:52:21):
I am sure he is no longer working for North Carolina,
so that's been his guy in the past. Clie Christensen,
really good track record, Peyton Manning Andrew Luck with the
Colts for years. I don't think we're there yet. Now.
Every once in a while, especially during bye weeks, Brady
would have a little check in with Tom House during
the football season and just make sure everything was, you know,

(01:52:42):
going mechanically the correct way. So we'll see AJ is
in Spain. What's up AJ, guys?

Speaker 12 (01:52:50):
So I just wanted to ask a little bit about
the defensive line. So I wasn't watching the game super closely,
but it felt like towards the end the pass us
really slowed down and just wasn't as effective. Then looking
at the snap counts after the game, you see Christian
Bahama up at like seventy percent, Milton Williams at seventy
eight percent, all those guys up in the upper seventies
for the main starters, And I was just curious, you know,

(01:53:13):
whether that was more like a scheme thing that the
Raiders were picking it up, or just that these guys
are getting gassed because early in the season and they
haven't played that much. But was just definitely a point
of concern that I wanted to hear a little bit
more about.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Yeah, a J So, I would say that if you
look across the board on interior defensive lineman, especially, very
few tier defensive linemen are playing every snap.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
No. In the seventies is pretty high for that position.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Especially for those two guys bar more Off blood Clotts
and Williams wasn't really a three down player in Philadelphia. Now,
Max Crossey played every snap because he's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
So Max Crosby, like, yes, the Max Crosby's of the world.
I think even Aaron Donald would usually only be about
like eighty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Yeah, yeah, most of the time, those interior guys rotate.
It's really hard to play that position from a conditioning standpoint.
Those are big boys and they're flying off the ball.
You want to keep them fresh, so there's a lot
of rotation usually there with that position group. All right,
we got to wrap up the show Patriots Unfiltered. We'll
start here in a few minutes at noon, so we'll

(01:54:12):
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back next week breaking down the Dolphins, previewing Aaron Rodgers
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