Patriots Playbook 11/20: Rams Recap, Dolphins Preview

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Speaker 1 (00:30):
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Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah, boy, welcome into the playbook for Wednesday game week Miami.
It is now week twelve in the National Football League,
so we're moving along. John Rook here. Evan Lazarre is
also here as he always is, to start our program.
A little bit later on. Chris Perkins, who covers the
Miami Dolphins for the South Florida Sun Sentinel. He'll be

(02:01):
here to also kind of fill us in on the
Fins because, actually, Evan, I'm surprised to say this, this
is a big week for the Dolphins because if they
have any hopes of trying to backdoor their way into
the playoffs, they can't afford to stumble to the Patriots,
So I think New England has to be on their guard.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Right, Yeah, Look, it's a tough matchup. I mean, the
Patriots having one down there since twenty nineteen. I think
you're gonna hear that a lot this week. They're win
six against toa six and zero against them. Whichever way
you want to look at it, this is in one
of those games where if the Patriots were to pull
off a win, it would be an outlier. There's no
other way to put it. They really have not been

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able to beat Miami in Miami, and they especially have
not been able to beat Miami with TUA. So it's
going to be a tough one.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Doug Kaide from the Boston Herald, he's also going to
join us, the Patriots beat writer for that newspaper, And
of course Russell Baxter belonged to run through week twelve
in the National Football League. So let's kind of start
here with the Rams. And look, I'm kind of I'm
joining in with everybody else. I saw a myriad missed

(03:06):
opportunities on Sunday I also saw an inability or whatever
it was they were doing wasn't effective in terms of
trying to slow down a RAMS attack that just seemed
to score to score to score to score for a
period of time there and there was no real apparent adjustment.
So I have to look at it as hey, this

(03:27):
is another week where the Patriots coaching staff kind of
learned its lesson, at least you hope it learned its lesson.
But I'm wondering where the accumulation of these lessons learned
is when it is going to start paying off here,
because you know, it's late in the year. We know
the team is what it is. Yeah, that's a familiar
you know, saying, but where's the improvement coming from that

(03:50):
side of the ball, not the performance side, but the
coaching and the instruction side. I'm not sure it's where
it needs to be. And I'm just being honest here.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, no, it's a fair assessment. I think A big
theme for me this week is sort of the same thing,
which is one you can't win until you stop losing.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Right, that's a big one because when you watch the
when you watch this team right now and you watch
their their tape, especially on the offensive side of the ball.
They may didn't really make very many plays on defense
this week, but offensively you see that. You see a
team that in flashes makes plays right like that is
capable of moving the football and is capable of scoring points.

(04:33):
But they're just offensively sticking on that side of the ball.
Really both sides of the ball though, they're shooting themselves
in the foot too often where it's not consistent enough
to string together four quarters of solid football to win
a football game against a good team. So there's that,
And then the other thing that I keep on going
back on is an old Belichick cliche, which is that

(04:55):
coaches lose games and players win games. And so right now,
whether it's coaching or it's performance or execution, they have
to get out of their own way because I do think,
and I know that some people might disagree, but I
do think they have the talent to remain competitive. I'm
not saying that they have the talent to rattle off

(05:16):
six straight wins. I'm just saying that they have the
talent to be in these games.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
See, And I actually thought that, And you're right, I
actually thought that much earlier this season. I saw enough
there to where this team could be competitive. Yeah, if
decisions being made could get them over the hump. It
hasn't happened that way.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, you know, you come into these games and look,
I'm not trying to absolve anybody on the defensive side
of the football, but a first time defensive coordinator in
play caller, a rookie play caller on the defensive side
of the footballp in DeMarcus Covington goes up against arguably
the best offensive mind in the National Football League and

(05:53):
Sean McVay. I think there's a really good case to
be made that McVeigh is on the short list of
play callers on the offensive side of the ball that
are at the top of the game right now. McVeigh
Reid Kyle Shanahan like, that's sort of the list.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Well, okay, So well, we know that the Patriots coaching
STAF is young, relatively immature first, coaching is concerned certainly
together as a group. Is it fair to be critical
of them doing their job when they're really doing it
for the first time, they're kind of learning on a
trial by fire. I mean, I ask you this because
I think you know, first of all, I don't think

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anybody he's getting fired. I think that they're going to
run with this for another year at least. That's been
my gut feeling all along. I don't think that, you know,
the Crafts certainly are going to bring in a whole
new staff and then and then rip it apart or
rip it to shreds after one year. They're going to
try to give this an opportunity. What we really need
to see more is UH is helped within the personnel department,

(06:51):
which is another story entirely. I just I'm kind of
curious though, might there be an evaluation or reevaluation or
maybe maybe a reassignment in some of the duties or
depending upon what happens when the you know, the black
Monday occurs, you know in the NFL after the end
of the regular season, maybe you think about making some

(07:13):
moves to augment what you have and maybe suit your talent.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I think, you know, the one thing I would
say on the defense side of the ball, and they
have some guys on defense that have coached a long
time in this league. Yeah, so it's not Covington's a
younger guy.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
He was on the staff. You know, people forget he
was on the staff last year.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
He's been on the staff for seven eight.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Years, right, so he's been around. Yeah, he knows the
culture here.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, and you know Jerry Montgomery, their their defensive line coach,
Drew Wilkins, their outside linebackers coach Mike Pellegrino, their cornerbacks
coach Brian Belichick obviously saved these like these guys have
coached in the league for a while, Like this isn't
necessarily a fully green staff on that side of the football.
But the bottom line is is on Sunday in this game,

(07:57):
and he's going to have it again on Sunday against
Mike McDaniel, who's another guy that I would put on
that short list of offensive innovators, you know, play design
and calling plays and things like that. Sean McVay took
him behind the woodshed on Sunday and it happens like
that's that that's going to happen. But like your point,

(08:18):
how does he learn from it? Like, how do they
evolve from it moving forward?

Speaker 4 (08:22):
I want to see something different. I want to see
a wrinkle. I want to see an attitude. I want
to see an energy. I want to see something that
tells me, hey, they're catching on here. I haven't seen
that yet, and that's a little disturbing. And I would
tell you maybe it's because they've decided they're going to
stay the course and reevaluate it all at the end
of the year. If so, then these coaches are the
most disciplined coaches I've ever seen in my life, because

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you know, every season requires adjustments. I mean, my goodness,
I've been covering the NFL longer than any of these
guys have been alive, and so every season sees adjustments
from within, from the coaches, from the players, from the administrators,
from every You must adjust to win. If you stay
with one thing and you're still doing that same thing

(09:07):
at the end of the year, I would tell you
you're losing.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, yeah, look, I think that's fair. And when you
look at this game plan from the Bears week to
the Rams week, one of the things that I thought
they did that didn't work was they took a lot
of the same things that they did against Chicago and
expected those things to work against them. And in theory,

(09:32):
I can understand where you're going with it, because you're like, well,
we shut down the Bears, or're probably not going to
shut down the Rams with as much success. But if
it ain't broke, don't fix it, you know, So let's
not try to get too cute here. But at the
same time, it's just such a different matchup. You have
a rookie quarterback in Chicago versus a sixteen year veteran

(09:53):
in Matthew Stafford with the Rams, who I believe Stafford's
one of the best quarterbacks in the league. I think
he's a top ten quarterback in the NFL. So you
have an experienced quarterback that's really really good. You have
two receivers in Kup and Nikua who are really really
good and also are tough matchups for you just because
of their size and their ability to create yards after

(10:15):
the catch. And both those guys are just our big,
tough dudes to tackle in the open field and they're
a little bit smaller in the cornerback room. So it's
just a difficult matchup in that aspect. And then you
also have all of mcveigh's bells and whistles, you know,
the motion and the bunches and the nasty looks and
things like that that we can get into. So all
of that stuff, you know, is problematic and the biggest

(10:38):
thing that I just learned from watching Bill Belichick is
that you have to take something away from the opponent,
like you can't let them do it all.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
And that's been to me the biggest fail of the
coaching staff all year. Yeah, they haven't taken away what
the one thing you need to take away the decision
last week and again I'm probably you know, just a
piling on here, but the decision to play Christian Gonzales
on the short side of the field, the boundary side.
If you're wondering what the terminology means because you hear

(11:10):
that term a lot nowadays, and to not have him
either take out you know, Cooper cup or Pooka Nakula
was mind boggling. Now, I guess I understand in principle
what they were trying to do, But at halftime you
should have known because of the first half that Nakula had.
You should have known, I think we need to make
a change up here. Didn't do that, and so you've

(11:32):
got to give them something they're not expecting. Yeah, Sean
McVay and the Rams reacted, and that's why after the
first couple of drives, they punched the fate the Patriots
right in the nose.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, yeah, the Gonzales stuff. And I went on this
yesterday and I understand people are gonna disagree with me,
and that's fine. I didn't think the coverage plan with
Gonzales was all that bad, the main reason being, and
I've talked to some people about this that have coached
in the league, and so I feel pretty confident in

(12:04):
saying it at this point, when you play a team
like the Rams, who use a lot of motion and
use a lot of bunch formation, it's very difficult to
play straight man to man against teams like that because
what they're doing is they're creating picks, they're creating re release,
they're creating leverage with all these different things that they're doing.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
I understand all of that, but isn't that what audibles
were for. Isn't that whoever's calling the signals on the
defense and what that for based on what they come
out in the lineup. So and I know that they
went back and forth between man and zone. They played
both defenses against the Rams, but seems like they were
caught in the wrong spot. Every time they needed to
be in a man's situation, they were caught and it

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was like they were caught flat footed. They were reactionary
instead of you know, proactive, and that's you. That's where
I want to see. I want to see proactive, not reactive,
and we haven't seen that yet.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, I get I get everything you're saying. I just
schematically and I'm not, you know, trying to take a
shot at you, but I just schematically. I feel like
it's it's a lot, right. It sounds logical to just
say Nikua's got to go in today, Let's put Gonzales
on Nikua. Like it sounds logical, and I think sometimes

(13:22):
there's a lot to be said for the fact that
the simplest thing is the right thing in football. But
as logical as it sounds, in practice, it's not as
easy as it sounds. If that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Sure, and no, I understand it. I get it all.
I get it all. I think the bottom line is
is what they really need is they need another cover corner. Yeah,
somebody else.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
That's that's my biggest takeaway from this game, because you know,
go back to it, go and watch early on in
this game, what was happening was is that McVeigh was
they were starting Gonzalez on Nikua. Sure, and then McVeigh
was motioning him across the formation into bunch alignments and
then releasing him out of the bunch alignment at the snap,

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So there's no time for communication or switching or whatever.
And once they snapped the football, Nikua was running into
somebody else's zone and leaving Gonzalez right, So then Gonzalez
had to pass him off to other people. And now
what happens is is you started with Gonzalez on Nikua,
but you're ending with Marco Wilson on Nikua instead. Yeah,

(14:27):
and that is all McVeigh, right, Like, that's all scheme.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Okay, I would have been proactive with that. How did
the Patriots beat the Rams in Super Bowl thirty six?

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Super Bowl thirty six? Oh man, that's going back aways,
Yes it is before you were alive. I was at it. Actually, No,
definitely not before.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Okay, but I'm asking sort of rhetorically, all right, Yeah,
so how do they beat them? Because they lined up
and they smacked them in the mouth.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, but that team was different like that from what
I understand of that RAMS team, And I don't I
don't study that Rams team like I study these Rams teams,
but like the team back in oh, one in the
way you played like it was stagnant offense.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
They were an eleven personnel team that came out in
three receiver you know, it was Bruce to one side,
hold to the other side, and they just played football
right like this team would nowadays. And we're gonna see
it again on Sunday with Miami. So this is sort
of my big thing of the week is like, you
stunk against motion last week, so you better figured the
freak out.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Yeah, Jammy is gonna motion you today.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, they're gonna do the exact same thing that the
Rams just did.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
And so those teams back in the day, they didn't
motion like these offenses do now. They didn't have that
type of you know, this is more innovative or in
a more new agey I hate using that phrase, but
that's what it is, right. Yeah, I'd say in the
last five to ten years, motion at the snap, not shifting,
but motion at the snap, would you know, jet motion

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and missile motion and things like that, all that type
of stuff has really taken off, I would say in
the last you know, five years in football. So it's
not the first time they've ever seen it, and it
certainly looked like it was the first time they had
ever seen it on Sunday. So I'm not letting them
off the hook. I just I understood the philosophy of
the game plan. I just think execution and the coaches

(16:09):
have to take responsibility for execution as well. Like that,
it's on them to get the guys ready, and they
weren't ready.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Hey, Marine, for some reason, the cursor isn't coming up
on the call thing here, so you may have to
bring the did you turn it off? Technology?

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Do you need help? Do you need help?

Speaker 4 (16:29):
I might wait? Is that it there? You go? Oh
my god? It works now? You trying to say battery power?
You know?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Smart by him.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
It's what happens when you don't win. You know, you
gotta watch you all the batteries that you have and
make sure that you're taking them out of the things
that you like. I get it, I get no, I
get it, I get it.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Hey, I'm just is focusing this game for one minute?

Speaker 4 (16:54):
I know, I'm just happy to be here. Chris Perkins
covers the Miami Dolphins for the South fold of Sun Sentinel.
Kind of enough to join us for a bit here
inside the playbook, Hey, Chris, it's John and Evan here
in Foxborough.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
How are you today, Hey guys, I'm doing good man.
The Dolphins have won back to back games for the
first time in almost a years.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
How about that?

Speaker 5 (17:14):
People down here at giddy they don't know what to
do right now.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
I can only imagine, but I would tell you that
there's an opportunity, a real opportunity, based on a couple
of things that we've already talked about. Number One, you know,
the Patriots got themselves motioned to death this past week
against the Rams, which certainly I think would be an
clue for the Dolphins in terms of trying to formulate
a attack. Number one. But number two, Dolphins have it
all over the Patriots right now. They've just you know,

(17:38):
I don't know if Tua has a cast of spell,
Mike McDaniel his cast a spell. I don't know what
it is. But this Patriots team cannot beat that Dolphins
team unless this Dolphins team, I think, shoots itself in
the foot. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (17:53):
It's an interesting dynamic. I believe that Mike McDaniel was
four and one against the Patriot but we all know
what happened that last game, right Jalen Polk is like
a half foot literally east delivering a victory.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
So you know the Dolphins have to be wary. But
you know, the strange thing with the Dolphins right now
is they're kind of going through this metamorphosis. And you know,
they came into the season with this high scoring, you know,
big play passing game that they've used the previous two seasons,
and it was Tua Tyreek and Jalen Waddell. Well, now

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it's Tua Devon Chan and John new Smith. And really
teams have taken away the deep ball by playing the
too high safety look, pressing them at the line of scrimmage.
And so the Dolphins have switched and now they're trying
to go with the underneath stuff, the short control passing
game to a fan and John new Smith and then

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you know, using a running game. So we'll see what
happens here. But you know, the Dolphins, you know, and
I'll tell you this also, the motion had been cut
down a little bit, and that was in the roll
games against Buffalo and the Rams. I'll be interested to
see how much that motion comes back here in a

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home game. It kind of came back a little bit
last week, But I'll see how much. It'll be interesting
to see how much they rely on that again this week.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Is there any chance at all that this game is
played tighter to the vest, and maybe we think, like
the fifteen to ten game back in September.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
It could, it could. I don't know what to expect
from these Dolphins now. Now they're under going just change.
You know, it used to be you at pencil these
guys in for twenty something points and maybe they go
up to thirty or forty, and kind of now you
kind of pencil them in for what maybe seventeen point
twenty point and you see if they can get up
to like twenty seven. So it's a new era of

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Golfon's football, and you know, again it's a little more measured,
a little more conventional. So I really don't know what
to expect from this offense.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Well, you know, the fact the better is that this
is completely different team when Tua is quarterbacking. And I
think that's even obvious to those who are, you know,
really not familiar with the Miami Dolphins. So with Tua
back and seemingly the entire offense playing with more confidence,
how does this team continue to try to build to

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see if they can't play their way back into legitimate
playoff contention.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
I think the offensive key is going to be this
run game and the control passing game. Again, devon Ah
chan Uh at running back and John new Smith at
tight end are going to be the stars. They're still
willing to look for opportunities to hit Tyreek Hill and
Jalen Waddle deep because really that's what makes this offense dangerous.

(20:45):
Without that element, you know, you you kind of respect
this offense, but you there's no fear. So I'm gonna
be very interested to to to see what happens there
as far as this offense. Defensively, looking ahead, you've gotta
stay healthy and and that means Zach Steeler and Kaleis
Campbell on the defensive line and Jalen Ramsey there at

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safety and probably uh Jevon Holland also back there at safety.
Jordan Foyer has really struggled this season, so that those
that's really the way ahead for this team is that
they've got to keep their key players healthy and then
they've got to develop their new identity and figure out
who they are offensively. But they're still kind of searching

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when you when you look ahead to find out who
they are because they've switched from the team that entered
the season.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah, you know, that's actually kind of my biggest question
about the Dolphins because you know, you brought up a
great point. They've gone to more of an underneath game,
you know, since two has come back here. But I'm
wondering if they might not try to get back to
the way things were earlier in the season. They didn't
have a whole lot of success with that against the
Patriots back in September, but they certainly were a little

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bit more dynamic in offense like that. Do they need
to get back to that in order to have long
term success where, let's face it, even immediate successes they
try to get back into the playoff picture.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
Yeah, I kind of think that they do, because you know,
the one thing that we have not seen from this offense.
You know, this offense now is going on a lot
of ten and eleven and fourteen play drives, and that
requires you to be almost flawless, right, don't get behind
the chains and face of first and fifteen. You know,
against against Buffalo, Raheem Mostert had a third quarter fumble.

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They never recovered from against Arizona to a fumble three times.
Heck Tua had the snap go through his hands that
counted for a safety in a twenty eight to twenty
seven loss. So you know, there's all these little things
that this team has to clean up, and when you
have to go you know, station to station, those things

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crop up a lot more that that. That big play,
that one eighty yard touchdown, that removes a lot of
the stink you know from the from the mishandled uh,
you know, the fumbles and the mishandled nats. So you
know that that's one thing that moving forward, I think
that the big play is a necessity, not only to
help you come back if you're down ten in the
fourth quarter, but also yeah, if you if you lose

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a fumble or have an interception or or whatever, that
big play can help you erase that mistake very quickly.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Right. You actually wrote I think uh for the Sun
centaal this week about how you know, this offense has evolved,
but it's still probably not good enough for this team
to get to where it wants to go. Is that
still accurate?

Speaker 5 (23:33):
You think I think it is. I think it is.
And look, here's the Dolphins situation. They're sitting here at
four and six. I'm thinking that nine wins probably gets
you in in the AFC. So the Dolphins are looking
at having to win five of their last seven games.
The toughest three games on the schedule are at green
Bay on Thanksgiving Night, at Houston, and at home against

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San Francisco, So you know you're probably gonna have to
win one of those games, and then you're remaining four games.
You got the Jets twice, and you got the Patriots
on Sunday, and then you've got Cleveland also, so you
know they the path is there. You know they don't
have to beat Houston and Green Bay and San Francisco.

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If you win those other four games, then you only
have to beat one of those three teams. So that's
the path. But is that offense ready? Is the offense
ready to take them there? I don't know. You might
need more help from the defense than you would have
needed last year or two years ago, makes sense.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Chris, just a couple of questions. I do want to
talk about the defense here in a second, but I
want to stick with McDaniel because I feel like there's
a lot of narratives about him and about his coaching
future in Miami in terms of how he's been able
to adjust and you know, how he's been able to
have the offense be productive throughout the course of the
season late in the year specifically, what have you seen

(24:59):
from McDaniel this year, and like, where do you kind
of stand with him as the Dolphins head coach.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
I'm still late and see I do give him credit
for going away from this, you know, Tyreek Hill, Jalen
Waddell based offense, recognizing that you're really stuck in the mud,
that that teams have figured this out. They're going to
play that too high safety look and they're gonna take
that deep pass away. There's no reason to keep forcing
it go to something else. That's good recognition by Mike McDaniel.

(25:29):
But I still need to the just general leadership hit
coach Chopp. You know, this is his first hit coaching job,
this is his first time calling play, so there's a
lot on his plate. You know, here's a guy who boy,
I'm trying to think of the numbers. I think they
came into the season seven and twelve on the road.

(25:49):
They're two and three now, so that will make them
what nine and sixteen.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
On the road.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
They're four and ten in December and January. So that's
a couple of big hurdles right there that you've you know,
as a coach, you know, the better teams in the
league are going to be around five hundred on the road,
and you're certainly going to have to know how to
win games in December and January. So you know, Mike

(26:13):
McDaniel is improving, but there's still some questions he has
to answer.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, And on the other side of the ball, since
the Dolphins offense is definitely more exciting to talk about,
I think sometimes for some people, but for the defense
I believe is this three defensive coordinators already for Mike McDaniel, right,
that's correct. Yeah, And you know, just what have you
seen from Anthony Weaver and do you feel like they
finally found an answer there at DC?

Speaker 5 (26:39):
Oh? Yeah, Weave has been great now, he has been outstanding.
I like the way that he has used Jalen Ramsey,
specifically Ramsey. The only player that Ramsey has shadowed has
been DK Metcalf. But what they're doing with Jalen Ramsey,
they're getting him close to the ball and they're using
him to extinguish the biggest threat on that specific down
and distance. So you know, first and ten from from

(27:03):
the opponent's twenty yard line, you know, Ramsey might be
lined up on an outside receiver. Second and two from
the twenty eight, he might be lined up on the
slot receiver because that's where the team goes in those
short yard is situations. First and ten from the forty,
he might be lined up in the slot, and he
might be blitzing. He's been good against the run. He's
you know, he's been able to defend slot receivers, outside receivers,

(27:27):
tight ends everything. So that's one thing that I like
about Anthony Weaver that Vic Fangio did not do last year.
He's using Jalen Ramsey kind of as that Swiss army knife.
A few other things. You're seeing Kaleis Campbell and and
Zach Steeler as down lineman moving all over the place.
That's another good thing, uh, you know, And and the

(27:49):
pass rush has it's pretty much been non existent for
the Dolphins because Jalen Phillips and Bradley Chubb have pretty
much been out all year. Chubb out all year with
the with the knee that he sustained on New Year's
Eve last season, and then Jalen Phillips. You know, he
had the the Achilles last year on Black Friday. He
came back and played I don't know what the first

(28:10):
four five games this year and had a knee injury.
So you don't have Chubb or Phillips, but they've been
able to get decent pressure on quarterbacks, not sacked, not
finishing the play, but decent pressure. Chop Robinson, the first
round kick has been coming on the last three weeks.
Here's the other thing about Anthony Weaver and this defense

(28:30):
has been good. They were the number ten defense in
the league last year under Big Fangio, and they've been
pretty much just as productive. If the defense continues trending
in this direction, Weaver might get a hit coaching job.
I think he's interviewed twice for hit coaches. But so,
you know, that's kind of the down thing is like
the better Weaver does, the bigger chance that you're going

(28:53):
to be on your fourth defensive coordinator in four years
next year, because that guy could get a hit coaching job.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, it's interesting that you mentioned that because when I
looked up his you know, information, sort of his bio
this this week. He's he's got sort of the resume,
you know, former player turned coach, forty four years old,
Like you know, we got one of those here.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
And Mayo demography.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, so he's kind of got those those boxes checked.
So it's interesting you mentioned Chop Robinson there as well.
It does seem like, you know, PFF pressures and all
that kind of stuff. It's it feels like he's starting
to come on here a little bit.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
Yeah, and what you're gonna see this week with Chopping,
you know, Chop. Here's the funny thing about Chop. You know,
even in college, he had a high pressure rate, but
he didn't finish. He didn't have a lot of sacks.
And you always heard, well, he's got a big win rate,
you know, but and it's kind of like, yeah, but
he's not finishing the plays. That's exactly what we've seen here,
that that he's got the good win rate and all

(29:52):
that kind of stuff, but he wasn't finishing plays. He
wasn't actually getting the sack. He started to do better
the last couple of weeks. I think he's had two
sacks in the last three games, if I'm not mistaken.
But one thing that you're gonna see on Sunday that
they've been doing is they've been lining him up out wide,
you know, kind of that wide nine position where you're
outside the offensive tackles outside shoulder, And they say, what

(30:14):
that does with chops quit first step, That gives him
a better option of going inside or outside. He has
a little more uproom to operate. It gives him, you know,
to a two way option there. So look for that
with chopping and if he continues to improve, because that's
a big part of the defense. They need his pass rush,

(30:35):
they need his pressure on quarterbacks. And by the way,
the Dolphins are pretty impressed by Drake May, I'll tell
you that, but they need his chop Robinson's pressure on
Drake May to have an effective game play.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yeah, agreed, Yeah, fair enough, big picture here, real quick, Chris.
Do the Dolphins need to finish strong to you know,
help save jobs? And I know that there's been rumors
about the GM and everything else going on this week,
you know in South Florida. What are your thoughts in
that regard.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Yeah, it's a very interesting situation. So for me, I say,
never moved the goalposts. The definition of a successful season
coming into the year was winning a playoff game. Ye
at this point, it looks like you're gonna have to
have a strong finish just so you can go get
your teeth kicked in in the pol weather in Pittsburgh, Buffalo,
Kansas City, Baltimore, wherever. So, yeah, jobs are on the line.

(31:27):
This has been a disappointing season. They've underachieved, you know.
But here's the thing. If they come back, if they
win nine games and get a wildcard. First, I don't
know that the general manager, Chris Greer loses his job.
And to me, these things don't happen in a vacuum.
There's the front end of it where okay, you know,

(31:48):
you you you say that you're that Chris Greer is gone.
But the new GM will probably have to be able
to work with Mike McDaniel and SUA like they aren't
going anywhere. It doesn't appear unless it's just an absolute
disaster of a finish, then maybe Mike McDaniel gets fired.
But you know, but you're gonna bring in the new GM,

(32:09):
and then you're gonna have the same quarterback and the
same coach. And then that's the front end of the problem.
And on the back end, Well, who are you gonna
hire as GM? You know, there's a lot of guys
out there, but is everybody gonna want to come and
work in these constraints, you know, with this offense and
everything like that. So I think that Mike McDaniel almost

(32:30):
in these days to like ninety nine percent will be back.
Chris Greer, I would say, let's see how the season finishes.
I would say, right now, he's probably about fifty to
fifty coming back at GM.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Okay, well that's that's yeah, that's actually information there more encouraging, right. Yeah.
I was just gonna say, so, let's let's also just
cut to the chase right here. How damaging would a
loss to New England be? Nope, did we lose him?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Sounds like it.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
I think we may have lost him. Did he just yeah,
he just kind of like popped. I didn't hit anything, Matt,
I expect promise, I promise, okay.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Okay, Yeah, I got you.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Yeah you're there, Yeah, we got you, We got you.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
Okay. So you know you you asked about a loss
to the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, what what would that do to their chances?

Speaker 5 (33:23):
It would hurt them severely and the and the fan
base would be really really upset. But here's the thing
I'm calling this season right now out the race to
the nine nine wins or nine losses, right and and
that's kind of what it is. So you would still
have a chance if you took that loss to the Patriots,
but you would have to be pretty much flawless down
the stretch and and it would be it would be

(33:45):
you could overcome it, but it would be a really
really tough thing going to Green Bay on a short
week for a Thanksgiving game night, which is probably a loss.
Then you would have back to back losses. You could recover,
but it would be really, really really tough.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yeah, I would. I would definitely tend to agree with
that one. It should be interesting as well. All right, Chris,
thank you so much for the time today. Really spend
your appreciating and you're sin bending a little time with
us today to bring us the lowdown on what's going on.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Not a problem, not a problem.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
You got it. Chris Perkins at Chris Perk p e
r K on X if you want to follow him
and get his latest on the Dolphins. There. I'm all
tungue tight here because I'm trying to decide which way
I wanted to go With the next question, I'm like, nah,
he's been with us long. If we don't want to
burn him out too much. You know, he's having to
deal with the dregs of the NFL here, you know.
With the Patriots at.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Also, that was good stuff. I definitely, yeah, it's a
fascinating team. It's not all that different in my mind
to what's going on in the meadowlands right now with
the New York Jets, where you look at the roster
and you say, this is a really talented football team. Yeah,
they definitely have. I don't know about depth because I

(34:57):
don't know the team as well as I know the Patriots,
But in terms of top end talent, you know, Miami's
high end talent is just as good as anybody. I mean,
Tyreek and Jalen Waddle is one of the best receiving
duos in football. The quarterback's pretty good. They have some
guys on defense, Ramsey, Kalays Campbell, Zack Steeler is a
very very underrated football player on the interior their defensive line.

(35:20):
No one of those sneaky good players. So you put
all this together and you look at the GM and
you're like, well, it's put together a pretty good roster here.
But I think the one thing that you stand out
that stands out to you whenever you watch this this
Dolphins team is the trenches. Like they especially on the
offensive side of the ball, when it gets later in
the year, when it gets colder and opponents get tougher.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
They're not conditioned.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, they don't feel like they win in the trenches
against the good teams. Now that's probably not going to
apply to the game as much on Sunday, but when
they play the Buffaloes, the Baltimore is the Kansas City's
they lean on the Dolphins teams, they lean on them
and they don't have enough physicality to pull out of it.

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let you go here if uh number one. The biggest
news that came from practice today for the Patriots was

(36:25):
Cold Strangers return. Yes, how quickly. Do we expect him
to be reinserted into the lineup.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Well, honestly, John, like I didn't think Christian Barber would
be reinserted a lot.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
How many you got.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, So they're going about this maybe a little bit
differently than the old regime would have than Bill would have.
I feel like Bill Belichick was really big on stretching
out that twenty one day window and giving guys time
to ramp back up. These guys, it seems like they
feel like ramping up is best in game. You know,

(36:59):
let's let's get.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Which to me flies right in the face of the
entire philosophy around Drake May just about the year. I mean,
if you want to see what you got, let the
guy play. Yeah, Oh my god, you just you just
lit You just lit me up. You just lit me up.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's what I'm here to do. We're here to We're
hearing to talk.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
We're here to talk.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, you know, look, I get it. And you know,
I don't know about Strange if he's going to be
ready to play on Sunday. I always think it's really
difficult in terms of trench play to come back because
you're you're dealing with the position where fundamentals and technique
is the name of the game. So when you get

(37:40):
into the trenches, if your pad level is high, if
your hand placement is off, if your feet aren't right, like,
you're just gonna be in trouble. And I thought on Sunday,
as much as great as it was to see Barmore
back out there, I thought there were a couple of
instances where his pads were getting up a little bit
and he was getting moved off the ball, and that
all comes back to back and drills.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
I was happy to see him back out there. I
wasn't totally surprised that he wasn't terribly effective. It was
nice to have his presence out there, if nothing else.
But now you want to start to see improvements, slow improvement, slow,
steady improvement. And when Strange gets back out there, you know,
my biggest deal is you know, Okay, so he's been
training a little bit at center. That's been fairly well documented.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Those Yes, we're snapping today, right, So if.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
He was snapping today, do we actually see him line
up at center? What do they do with Brown the instance,
or do we see him at guard? And where would
this team be best served? Right? Now considering the way
that the offensive line has taken us on this mad,
mad journey around the globe this year.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, they seem to really like Michael Jordan at left guard.
He's been pretty much there since week one of the season,
one of the few guys that's been consistently there. But
that being said, when I watched the film, I see
him struggling out there quite a bit, especially in the
run game. Just really doesn't have the upper body power
and strength to sustain blocks. It's not so much that

(39:03):
his like initial movements are terrible, but he gets thrown
off blocks easily right like later on, So you guy
will pick his gap to run behind him, and then
he gets three yards down the field and and he
shed and it's you know stuff. So I look at
Michael Jordan at left guard and say that that's probably
the spot that they could use Cole Strange at the most.

(39:25):
And I would also say that, you know, center in
this offense, there's a lot of men mental stuff that
goes into making the line calls and getting the configuration
correct and the mic points and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Why I asked the question, would you be putting too
much on his plate? On his initial time back after
being out for a year.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, I mean, granted, maybe that's what he's been doing
behind the scenes. And I know girod Meo said today
that David Andrews has been helping him out with learning
the intricacies of playing center. And I'm assuming a lot
of that is mental because he's not been able to
practice in terms of strange so like it can't be
physical that David Andrews is helping him, So maybe he
has a good grasp of that. And you know, Ben

(40:06):
Brown came in here and in three days was making
the line calls, you know, against the Houston Texans. So
with a rookie quarterback and his first ever start, So
maybe we're making too big of a deal out of that.
I'll allow for that. But at the same time, I
don't think Ben Brown has been a liability. No, it
hasn't been great.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Considering where you got him, you know, and you picked
him up it was you know, it wasn't quite a
street free agent, but he was damn close. Yeah, I
think he's done remarkable.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, I would say he's for the most part, has
been passable. He has been functional, sure, So I wouldn't
necessarily mess with that too much.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
No, I'm kind of on that line as well. And
I know that there's a you know, a certain faction
of people that are already out there talking about, you know,
what you're gonna do when free agency comes around, what
you might do when the draft comes around. I was
looking at x earlier today and there's a lot of
chatter about T Higgins and you know, potential wide receivers
in the free agent market. And look, I don't really

(41:02):
want to get too much. I'm kind of like Fred
in this regard. Okay, next year's next year. We're still
in this year, and you say, I worry about developing
who you have here, but oh do we is it
worth keeping an eye toward it? I mean, do you
send signals? I mean, what do you do here to
make sure that you're not caught flat footed? Because that's

(41:22):
my biggest fear with player personnel within New England. And
until we fix this problem, until we fix it we
see Elliott Wolf can do it, I'm going to have
this doubt in my head. I want to know that
you know, they're doing the right things in order to basically,
you know, smooth the runway out for someone to come
in this way and catch passes from Drake May.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, I hear you. I think the biggest thing that
they could do, and I'm not trying to, you know,
cop out here, but I think the biggest thing that
they can do is keep Drake playing well like this
because they.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Have That's not a cop out, No, that's a good answer.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
They have to attract the free agents, right and the
best way to attract the t Higgins are to attract
the Amari Cooper or whoever the receiver that they're going
after is. And I mentioned Cooper just because of his
time with the Browns and in this system and with
this coaching staff in Cleveland. So you know, these guys
that are gonna be free agents, you need to show

(42:18):
them that Drake May is the real deal and they
have a quarterback to come here and play with. Because
the reason in my mind that Calvin Ridley is not
a Patriot is because the Patriots didn't have a quarterback.
And he's thinking, and I understand Will Levis is not
good either, but he's thinking, I'm a receiver, you know,
I need to have a quarterback that can get me
the football. I don't even know who's going to be

(42:39):
throwing the football to me in New England. So if
the money's equal, I'm gonna go someplace else. And that's
ultimately what it ended up happening. Brandon a Yuk had
no desire to come here because the Patriots weren't an attraction.
They weren't a draw. So if you keep Drake May
playing the way that he is playing, people are gonna
want to come and play with that player. You know,

(42:59):
maybe not more than Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes or
Lamar Jackson, but when you get into the dregs of
the league, like you're gonna have the quarterback and these
other teams might not necessarily have that. So I think that,
you know, there's a lot of talk about what's to
come in the offseason. There's a lot of talk about
this coaching staff and if they're going to stay the

(43:20):
course with this coaching staff or if there are gonna
be changes. The one guy that I really feel, I
continually feel strongly about even more so, is is retaining
Alex van Pelt. I think Alex van Pel's doing a
really fine job with Drake May.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
I'm not going to argue with that point. Yeah, you know,
I've known Alex for a long time, number of years,
and in this regard, he deserves an opportunity to continue
working with Drake number one, developing his play skills. Number
two and then probably two A getting more talent in here.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Man, then we can see what he truly is capable
of doing. Because I think we all know they've been
told the best way to go about it right now
is to play this a little bit more close to
the vest because we extend ourselves, we're really going to pratfall.
But now what we want to do is try to
build toward a certain level. We've seen that from day one.
Whether we agree or not with the whole Drake may philosophy,
the point is is that he's playing now, he's showing well,

(44:16):
we're getting you know, bonnets and kudos thrown his way
from you know, analysts all over the NFL, so that
buzz is starting to catch hold. And I'm one hundred
and ten percent in this corner. Yeah, do whatever you
can to keep him playing well. Right that what you
can score like you need to score in the offseason.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
It's just a huge it's a huge developmental time for
Drake made from going from year one to year two
in the NFL, and one of the myriad of mistakes
that they made with mac Jones was Josh McDaniels goes
to the Raiders after Max's rookie year and Matt Patricia's
name the offensive play caller his second season, and that

(44:57):
was really the beginning of the end for mac Jones
in New England. And Drake's way more talented than Mac. Like,
I'm not trying to make a comparison player to player,
but right now AVP has Drake May playing great ball.
He has him tied together, you know, is what I
would call it eyes and mechanically, like he's going to
right places with the football. He's playing on schedule, he's

(45:19):
playing in rhythm. His feet looked great, which was obviously
a big thing in the draft was his footwork and
his mechanics. And right now he looks like he is
tethered together the offensive coordinator. And if you start pulling
things out of that Jenga tower, you're just asking for
things to regress, right You're asking for the unc footwork

(45:40):
to come back. You're asking for him to stop, you know,
seeing blitzes and reading field correctly and all these things
that we see him doing right now at a high level.
I would stay the course with the offensive staff for
right now. I would say Van Pelt is somebody that
I think has done a really great job. I also
wouldn't lose sight of their quarterbacks coach T. C. McCartney

(46:02):
to today Tom Pellasaro named as an up and coming
coach in the NFL on the offensive side of the ball.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
And as a potential replacement someone down the line if
the dominoes fall the right way when Black Monday gets here.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
I just think that TC is someone that I'm going
to try to do some more reporting on because he's
someone that I think is close in age to Drake
enough and has played quarterback himself, not at the pro level,
but in college, and is clearly you know, every time
that that may has asked about the coaching, he obviously

(46:34):
talks a lot about a VP, but he's always is
careful to mention TC McCartney as well. So I think
there's a lot of good things going on in that
quarterback room right now.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
I really like the analogy of likening the Patriots to
a Jenga tower.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yes, so I'm big on this analogy, and I can't
do do you know Dave Damashek with the NFL network.
I know, yeah, I can't. I can't take claim. But
David is the original Jenga tower guy, and I loved
it since the day that I heard it where he
usually talks about it with players. Yeah, so, like, you know,
think of the Jenga tower like Juwan Bentley gets pulled
out and then Christian Barmore gets pulled out, and you.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
Know, and you're pretty soft in the middle. Ye yeah, yeah,
it's it's wobbly. It's a really good analogy. I keep
thinking of that. What is that the Popeye's Chicken commercial
where the guy's pulling out you know, the Jenga pieces
one by one until someone puts that big you know,
chicken wing or whatever in this stase and just it's
all gone. That's what I see when I think of that.

(47:30):
So yeah, I'm gonna actually I like Jagga Jinga's fun.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
It's a fun game.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
What do you think, Marie Jenga?

Speaker 4 (47:36):
You do Jinga?

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah, good stuff.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Show some talent, Thanks buddy, Appreciate you anytime, all right.
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(49:04):
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Speaker 6 (49:14):
What's going on? Mister legend to steal a phrase from
Eldred going on?

Speaker 4 (49:18):
You know, whenever he says that, I laugh internally. You know,
I've always thought, well, I'm a legend in my own mind, right,
just somewhat kiddingly. But when when when Eldred says that,
I got to admit, actually, it actually feels like there's
some authority behind it. You know, moves a little bit, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know, the needle moves. Shut up Marine, Oh no,

(49:41):
it's all right, it's all good. It's all good. I
love talking to you guys. You guys are the best.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
So I just wanted to throw something out there. About
the Hall of Fame and a prediction.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Yeah, you know, I was going to ask Evian about that,
but I but we we got actually talking into uh,
you know, football stuff. But we should mention of course
that uh. The final well, the semi finalists for the
twenty twenty five Class of the Hall of Fame includes
three significant Patriot names, uh not, the least of which
are well Rodney Harrison, Adam Vinteri and oh crap, who's

(50:17):
the third one? Thank you, Vince? How can I forget?
Holy smokes? Yeah, those are the three guys on the list.
Now they'll they'll boil it down to the finalists I
think in another month, I think it is, and then
of course the class is probably going to be somewhere
around four or five. I'm gonna be stunned, stunned, Patty

(50:38):
if one of those guys didn't get in, and frankly,
they all three deserve it. I just I would hope
for two to get in. And here's my thing. The
Patriots run of dominance, you know, since two thousand and
one has is significant to the point where they have
been underserved. It took I think the Steelers of the

(50:58):
seventies and the even the Niners of the eighties a
few years to you know, to really you know, get
their due. But the Patriots are still owed. I think,
you know, some representation in the Hall of Fame based
on their their two decade run. And I know that
there's a significant factor of media as well as you know, potential,
you know, ownership, you know tied to you know, NFL ownership,

(51:22):
and other teams that still are butt hurt over you know,
things like Spygate and Flakegate for lack of a better phrase,
And and all I'm going to tell you is is that, look,
forget all that stuff. If you are a fan of Buffalo,
or you are a fan of Kansas City, or let's say,
let's be even worse, let's let's go step further. You're
a fan of the Eagles, who the Patriots beat, you know,

(51:43):
the first time around, or the Panthers or the Rams.
You know, you know, because we've known for years that
you know, there there was a lot of hurt feelings
over you know that you know over that that era. Look,
if you can't tell with your own eyeballs that these
guys are Hall of Fame worthy, then I would question

(52:03):
severely your ability to judge good football, because these guys
are you know, they you know, you go back to
Rodney Harris's days, you know, playing for the Chages. You know,
Vince Wilfork, I mean, my goodness, he still had some
life left in his legs when he went on to
play in Houston, you know. And Adam Ben and Terry
good Lord, he said all kinds of you know, longevity

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records after he left New England to go kick for
the Colts. So those guys are Hall of famers, every
one of them. Based on they're the x's and o's.
Based on the numbers alone, they all three deserve to
be in. I just don't think we'll see a Patriot
dominated class and all of them getting in at the
same time, just because there just aren't that many slots

(52:46):
that will end up getting voted upon. But I'm hopeful
that at least one of them is somewhat, you know,
duly rewarded for their long, successful careers here.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
Yeah, and I kind of have a hot take on
that too, go I would not be I would not
be shocked if Adam doesn't get in on first ballot, even.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Though I think he deserves it because he's a kicker.

Speaker 6 (53:06):
A little bit wary about voters, yeah, voting for a
kicker to get in the first time.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Well, and I would tend to agree with you, Patty,
And I think this is where if anybody is deserving
of breaking that mold, it is adam minitary most definitely.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
And not to sound like a broken record, like I
want to see Vince get in eventually, but just put
Rodney and I mean he.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Yeah, there's Ed Reid, and.

Speaker 6 (53:35):
Then there was like yeah, alamlu yeah Rodney Harrison, and
then a tier below that. Like I've always said, like Briandkins,
I'm sorry he's not as good as as Rodney Harrison
made me the one big play in a big game
that he made you can't because he never made it.
But just real quickly to my prediction for this week,
because like I said, don't want to get up so

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other guys can get on the line. I really want
to see our team just do it this week in Miami, John,
I want to see may And and Mayo get up,
you know, get their first win against it.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
You know, I know, I know, Daddy, I loved, I
love your eternal optimism, but it's just it's it's woefully
misguided on these guys.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
Yeah, I think it's going to be a close game,
though I do have I think the Dolphins will probably
win somewhere around like twenty four to twenty one or
twenty eight to twenty four, something like that. But man,
I just I just I can't stand the Dolphins the
Yankees of the NFL. They always have that.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Yeah, I know, you know, I totally I agree with that,
you know. And the funny thing it is is that
I was thinking of this last week is I'm watching
Buffalo beating Kansas City. I'm thinking, man, Bills fans got
to be looking at the rest of the AFC East
and laughing their asses off. You know, it's like, you know, what,
what does the AFC East become? They're dominating kind of
like the Patriots did a decade ago, and kudos to

(54:54):
the to the Bills for turning it around after you know,
it's kind of stumbling out of the gate and the
subject for another day. Look, I kind of you know,
I think the magic number here is is twenty. If
the Patriots can get to twenty, they're in the game.
They got a chance to steal it. But if they
don't get there, the Dolphins are gonna roll. You have

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to figure out a way defensively to hold the Dolphins
between seventeen to twenty points max. To have a chance.
If you let the Dolphins get to twenty two, twenty three,
twenty four, you're not winning that game. You're just not Patriots,
and Patriots are not explosive enough on offense right now.
So the only way you can do that is you've

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got to get some takeaways. You probably got to get
a cheap score somehow, either on a short field after
a takeaway or a pick six or a block kick,
or you got to come up with something different. It's
gonna take more than just doing your job. Oh goodness,
I'm sorry, but you know that kind of has stuck
on our tongue around here. You got to do more
than just the basics to win a game on the

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road and get off the schneid in South Florida.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
Yeah, and they're not generating pass rush against good teams.
They're not slowing down the running game against good teams.
And it's been five games John since they since they
garnered a turnover.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
It yeah, anybody, Yeah, and it's.

Speaker 6 (56:13):
Got a change, and like eventually the worm's gonna turn
I hope it's this week, but I'm not banking on it.
But buck it off the line. It's always good talking
to you, Johnny. I'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
I appreciate you, Taddy, Patty, thank you for the phone call.
I just I wish I was a little more confident
about that. And I'm not being anti New England or
anti Patriot or you know, you're not waving the pomp
ponds or whatever you want you to do. I'm not
doing that here. I'm just being real. You know this
team has got flaws. We know this. This is week
twelve in the NFL. You're three and eight, okay, so

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you are what your record says you are. I believe
one William Parcells said that years ago, and this team
is improving. I think at times we can see that improvement.
I thought, as I mentioned with Evan a little bit earlier,
that they took a bit of a step back this
last week because I didn't see the kind of adjustments
that I think a high caliber NFL team needs to

(57:07):
make in order to be successful against a high powered
offense like the Rams have. I didn't see that kind
of adjustment. I thought that the game plan, regardless of
what Evan was talking about. You know why it's difficult
to guard the Rams in man demand because of the
way they run the bunch roots and they set screens

(57:27):
and picks and things like that. Regardless that there's a
way to beat that offense. There's a reason why the
Rams are a five hundred team, okay, and you didn't
attack it well enough. And that's really the bottom line.
And then you're gonna remember the Rams were three and
out what two of the first three possessions something like that,
and then they ripped off what four straight touchdowns, And

(57:49):
I'm just like, where's the adjustment? They clearly made adjustments.
Where are yours? And that's what I failed to see
from this team. So when you go up against the
Mike McDaniel team this week, who we all know right
now is coaching circles, dancing circles around the Patriots to
a tango via aloa dancing circles around the Patriots. Whether

(58:09):
he's got up you know, you know, a toboggan that's
screwed on straight or not. And I'm trying to I'm
not really trying to make fun of that. I'm just
being graphic, I guess because he's had his you know,
concussion issues, but regardless of those, he owns the Patriots.
What are you gonna do to stop him? You've got
to go above and beyond what you've done in the past.

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You got to throw him something that he hasn't seen.
You're gonna run something hasn't seen. You gotta do something
of the dolphins that make McDaniel is not expecting and
we're not seeing that. We're not seeing that. If we
see that, I might feel differently. But you know, as

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Eldred says, you got to show me first, right, isn't
that right, Eldred? You got to show me first, right,
mister Legend.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
How are you doing today?

Speaker 4 (59:03):
I love you, buddy.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
How are you love you too? Man? I'm doing pretty good.
I'm off the rest of the week.

Speaker 6 (59:09):
Couldn't take next.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Week off because the Thanksgiving I had to take this
week off, right, So, so.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Are you working on Thanksgiving week?

Speaker 3 (59:16):
I gotta work. Do you want us to work on
Thanksgiving Day? But I ain't doing it. He did it
in fifteen U John ain't about to do it now.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Yeah? Yeah, Oh, don't don't feel don't feel sorry for me.
I have to work next week too. But it'll be uh, yeah,
I know, Matt. You want to tell him, Matt, you
want to say he's working in the Bahamas elder. Don't
let him.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Don't let them fool you Bahamas. Yeah, hey, are you
gonna change Simon? I go down there on the beach,
your step, He'll be right there with him.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Yeah, I know, right, I know, I know. Now the
basketball tournament to the college basketball tournament called the Battle
for Atlantis. I'll be covering that next week. So pretty
good assignment, pretty choice assignment over the holiday.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Oh yeah, you gonna have you uh what do you
see your Bahama Mamas and everything? Listen, I'll have me
a glas of heitt.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
That's exactly right, That's exactly right. So yeah, so yeah,
it looks like we both might be working a little bit.
But you know, if if you, you know, if you
decide that's it, I'm not gonna do it, then by
all means, I think you've earned that, right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Yeah, So I'm not working thanks I worked to day after.
I have to do that one, but I'm not working Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
You in a union job? Are you in a union? Okay?
All right, I was going to say, you do you
tell your well I was going to say, you just
you can tell your you know, your shop Steward, you know,
to talk to me. I'm gonna excuse you. But that's okay, So.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
All right, but I'm hoping that Rodney get in. Matter
of fact, I wish all three of them get in
the same time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
I'm holding out. I'm holding out hope that you know, look,
if you if you look at those three guys, based
on their football talent alone and what they've accomplished, you know,
over the last couple of decades, Yeah, they're all worthy.
They absolutely are. I just don't think they're gonna Super
Bowl win, yes, yes, And that that was part of
the reason why I brought that up, because I'm like,
you know, I don't think that you know, the Super

(01:01:12):
the first Super Bowl era Patriot teams have gotten enough
do I just don't. And no, And so yeah, that's
the one that started it all. So uh, I think
it's time for you know, the voters and and and
the people on the Hall of Fame committee to recognize,
you know, the beginning of arguably maybe even in arguably

(01:01:32):
the best, the biggest dynasty ever in NFL history.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
I think this year too, you know, and just brent
them guys in there, so them writers, Thurn Buffalo and
all the other guys.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Oh you know that, you know that they will absolutely
do anything they can to shove it right up the
wazoo of the Patriots. And that's unfortunate. That's unfortunate. You know,
you need to have people that are are are more
interested in the sport and what the Hall of Fame
actually means. The Hall of Fame is it's supposed to
stand for talent and ability and and and whatever else

(01:02:04):
the NFL wants to stand for. Is not supposed to
stand because well, you guys cheated, you know, to you know,
to beat us so many years ago. That's not what
That's not what happened, number one. But that's still the
that that's the that's the hangover, Yes, that's the hangover
from everything that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Day here too.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
Yeah, I know, but I would tell you, I would
tell you also, elder that somebody who says that is
just ignorant and they don't want to and they don't
want to know the truth because this is an easy
argument for for them to make. You know, we say,
well we beat in the super Bowl, and they turn around,
they looking and say, well, you cheated. I'm like, well,
you're not very smart because you don't know. I don't

(01:02:42):
care you cheated, you know. And I get that argument
all the time. It's like arguing with you know, it's
like arguing with my six year old grandson. I don't care, Papa,
I don't care. You know you cheat it, you know
you bos the cheat. Okay, well, all right, whatever whatever.
But you're right. They all three deserve it. They all
three deserve it. I just don't think they all three
get in. I hope I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
I'm hoping you hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong
to me too. But all three do get in.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Yeah. Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
But I'm going, like I said, I'm gonna. I gave
my my annsinence to to Evan the other day. Like
I said, I'm still going to my jersey in my hat.
As soon as I get it, I send it to them.
You know, I'm a man of my word, you know.
But uh, but this other thing is I don't trust.

(01:03:29):
I'm sorry, uh Wolf and the guy uh grow because
you was there with Bill and like I said, this
this class here, it's like the way Bill drafts. I'm sorry,
you got the same guys as you like I've been
saying for years, and y'all keep saying whatever, No, sir,
you keep drafting the same guy. You don't go after
that athlete or whatever. And then uh, I brought up

(01:03:53):
this yesterday with pu that okay, Uh they said the Chargers,
Uh after that traded, traded, and in the draft this
year was the robbery. So they two got they three
guys just produced and they seven and three. We three
and eight. Polk can't get more more pillowties. He ain't
got what two touchdown the two touchdowns and two hand

(01:04:14):
snaps and Baconon got nineteen snaps. But you got lab
mcconty and that I read that, Uh, the guy at
the corner. They got cam Hart and they playing and
they started they play off ready, you know with the Chargers,
and you let Thornton go, which I understand he haven't
showed nothing. I don't still think they're coaching, right, you know.

(01:04:37):
And then they did not to use because if it
got picked up the nixt day by Kansas City, now
they got two four two guys on the outside or whatever,
and watch how they use it and what and now
I'm watching to see, Okay, if he flourished there. It's
it's the problems in New England. It's the that's the problem.
They don't know how to use They want to put

(01:04:57):
him in the system instead of using the guys will
be how they supposed to be used. Okay, you know,
and that's my that's my biggest right But is uh
which car? It ain't that I was glad that they
are competitive, but it's like Paul said the other day,
can it be just your the other team that's better
than players are better than what you got, you know,
and they can't run with him, they can't play with

(01:05:18):
And that's not ninety nine percent what the deal is.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
Well, sure it is. And didn't even know how to draft,
that's right. And and that's where I think that's the
crux of the problem. The Patriots just don't have right
now enough good players to be compared with the upper
echelon in the NFL. It's it's real simple, and we've
we've talked about this before. It will continue to be
a topic of a conversation for the foreseeable future until
the problem corrects itself. But this is a problem that began.

(01:05:45):
This is a problem, well, this is a problem that started,
as we know, probably five to seven to even ten
years ago with you know, some of the failures. So okay,
even so you want to go back that far, we
go back that far. But that's the problem that we
had with the previous regime that we need to figure
out a way to kind of nip in the butt
now because it's sort of you know, I mean, it's
stockpiled to the point now where other teams have passed

(01:06:07):
you by. You've hit on fewer selections, both the free
agency and the draft than you did back in the
early two thousands. That's how the Patriots built themselves. That's
how they built two you know, Super Bowl, you know, decades,
you know, with those kind of players. And then the
last several drafts have just, man, I don't know what

(01:06:28):
it is, but listen, if I'm if I'm a player
and I'm getting picked in the second round by the
New England Patriots, and especially if I'm playing wide receiver,
I'm running the other way, that's almost like that's almost
like the Kids of Death. It's almost literally, it's almost
like the Kids of Death. I mean, you know, Taekwon
Thornton gets released, Jalen Polk is struggling. I mean, I
you know, I'm just like, wow, this is just you

(01:06:50):
can't It's comical. It really is comical. I don't know.
You couldn't try to be that bad if you really
wanted to. And I think the Patriots just sort of
like down for you. Well but but but when those pictures,
but when those pictures, when those picts are made, elderd.
I mean, honestly, when those picts are made, you're thinking, Okay, well,
you know, pretty good guy, blah blah blah. Maybe you

(01:07:10):
had a favorite or another you know, type of player
that you would have taken in that slot, but you
can't really.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
A whole lot better even.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Well, of course go back and check.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Okay, I'm saying it, and I'm staying it on the
radio when they picked before it ain't a man. No,
I'm saying it before they get them, when they get
him into draft and before the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
All right, well then d they got harried then then, Eldred,
I'm gonna nominate you for GM.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Heym. I kept saying, mister Kraft on your show, let
me draft for you one time, one time. You don't
have to pay me. I draft better than your GM
that you got now in one pass and you have
you have me come back next year and you still
wouldn't have to pay me then my key.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
All right, Well, you know when we get when we
get closer to the draft this next year, all right,
I'm gonna let you make the picks. All right, you
can come on this program, you can make those picks,
and then let's stand them up through the test of
time through next year and let's just see how well
you do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
All right, Okay, we're gonna do that. Okay, y'all kept
saying it takes two to three years.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Two well, and and I agree with that. But I
want you to pick who you want to pick, and
then we'll see how the season unfolds. We'll keep track
of it. Marine. We're gonna keep track of this for
Eldred and yeah, absolutely once and for all. Let's let's
let's let's figure this thing out. Let's see how you
do with it, all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Right, most definitely okay. And another thing, your boy a
d Mitchell seemed to becoming a little bit more now
that Richardon back in there. Ye you noticed that, yes, sir, yes,
one of him before we got poked.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
I understand that. And listen, believe me. I know, listen,
I was a big fan. I liked A d Mitchell
more than I like Xavier Worthy, and and and and
Worthy has had himself a pretty damn good season for
Kansas City. Of course, he's got my homes to throw to,
you know, throwing to him too. But you know, I
like both of those receivers.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
So you know, I remember a couple of years ago. Yeah,
I'll see it, Quentin Quinton Johnson, y'all, y'all laughed at me.
But for San Diego, took him a couple of years
and now he's producing. Of laugh, McConkie's on his on
his side, and he's producing now on the end zone
and stretching the field too. I'm like, damn s you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Right, Well, you're exaggerating because nobody laughs at you. Nobody
not laughing at you. Okay, well, Paul can laugh at you.
But I know better, I know I like your football judgment, Eldred.
That's why I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let you be.
You know our playbook GM here okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Glad to do it before right in the draft store
all before the draft. Good, good, glad my board ready
to right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
And you need to talk to Marine too, because frankly,
we need more road tips from Eldred. We need we
need more, you know, we need more road tips for
Eldrid from Eldred. So we got to work on that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
I got one on. Ask the people I didn't, and
maybe you too, mister mister legend. Why is it if
you go down the interstate, you in the right lane,
the slow lane. Yeah, okay, you're coming up on a ramp.
You about a half a mile away from the ramp,
you got idiots in the third in the passing lane
or the sickle lane. Instead of them getting behind you

(01:10:17):
and take that rent bright, they're gonna shoot all across
four lane. They shoot across the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
I see that every day. I see that every day
on my commute. I absolutely see that every day on
my commute. And I actually have some set for the
truck drivers. Yeah I do. I do, funny, but most
most of the people who do that. And I'm well
out on four ninety five, okay, when I'm I'm heading
to you know, the campus on the day, and the
cars that from the left lane go across the middle

(01:10:45):
lane where the truckers are to get to the right line,
to take the right exit. You know where they're all from.
You know where they're all from. They're not they're not massholes.
They're no, they're all from Rhode Island. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
But the ones down here, they got enough kind of
tags on. Some got Georgia, some of them got uh, Maryland.
And I'm like, you know, if my truck went a
little harder, i'd hit you. But see one thing, they
keep with getting Campa people. Truck got cameras in it now,
so you can't say, well, he used to vote. They
got cameras now. Yeah, And I gotta keep killing everybody

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you get within one hundred feet the truck automatic stops
and you're gonna kill somebody in the back of the truck.
So they're gonna make it Jack night, it starts to accident.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
Eldridge, rules of the road, all right, you gotta we're
gonna work that out with Marine. You the man. Happy Thanksgiving, Eldred,
appreciate you a lot. My friend, Uh. Doug Kide covers
the Patriots for the Boston Herald. Been a good friend
of the program for a few years as well. Doug,
thanks for hanging in. Really appreciate your being with us
today for a bit.

Speaker 7 (01:11:48):
Absolutely, there's going, John.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
Good, it's going well. So do you see the same
thing that elderd just described when you're on the highway
and in denizens of the great State of Rhode Island,
crossing in front of these trucks to make the exit
on the next exit on the highway.

Speaker 7 (01:12:03):
You know, what I noticed about Hode Island drivers most
of all, is that they pass from like from behind
people like they're they're coming up behind you, and then
they pass you so that you can't see that they're
passing you before they pass you. Yeah, it's everyone else.
Everyone asks you that gets out out in front, puts
the blinkers on, then passes you. Rhode Island, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
To you bash Rhode Island drivers. Ha ha, Come on,
we're gonna bash somebody around here. And I called massholes
for no reason. Well that's also true, and I'm a
card carrying masshole and I'm proud of it too. All right, Okay, well,
well we'll move on to that one. But you know,

(01:12:48):
I just thought that was just kind of a little
quirky thing as well. You know, hey, you know there's
a little politeness involved before we tell people to go
bleep themselves. So that's all. It's just it's just it's
what we do. So let's kind of pick it up
with uh, you know, the at least the big event
of the day. And I mentioned this with Evan a
little bit earlier, but you know, Cole Stranger's return to
practice based on you know, what Christian Barmore did last

(01:13:11):
week and then he got into the game for twenty
twenty one snaps this past week. Do you expect to
see Cole Strange play this week? And where does he play?

Speaker 7 (01:13:20):
I mean, with this regime, this seems possible, like and
almost anything seems possible. Because Alex Ousner turned to practice
few weeks ago and now he's finally been activated to
the roster didn't play right away. But with Cole Strange,
I certainly wouldn't be surprised. I mean, if Christian Barmore
can play after you know, one practice having blood clot issues,
one practice since last January or whatever it was, then

(01:13:44):
then yeah, it's possible with Cole Strange as well. And
as for where he plays, there's a spot for him
at left guard or at center right now. And you know,
Michael Jordan and Ben Brown. Those guys have been holding
down the ford as best as they can. Ben Brown especially,
you know, really tough situation coming over from the Raiders
playing in a game after practicing just twice. But both

(01:14:06):
of those guys, as far as I was looking at
the PFF grade today, both of those guys really ranked
near the very bottom of their position groups this season
as far as the PFF grades have gone, they're really
struggling in past protection. So I think that when Cole
Strange is ready, when he's a full go, when they
feel comfortable putting him in there, I would put him
in there at probably left guard or center. I might

(01:14:28):
put him in at left guard just because that's position
he's played before, that's the one he's more comfortable in,
rather than forcing him in there at center. But I
would start him absolutely before the season then.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
And one of the things that we kind of mentioned
earlier was we kind of feel like the coaches to
have as it presently, you know, exists likes Michael Jordan
in that spot. So do you who's whose position? Do
you interrupt here? Do you you come in and start
snapping even though you're learning a new position basically for
you know, for Ben Brown, or do you come in
and you know, move Michael Jordan around and make him

(01:15:00):
the swing piece. I mean, there's you're finally starting to
get at least some semblance of continuity on this offensive
line after you know, juggling balls the entire year, and
now this is actually the best problem you've had for
the offensive line in a long time. Is how do
you figure out a way to put your your first
round pick from twenty to twenty two back into the lineup.

Speaker 7 (01:15:22):
I think it would be a left guard because you
do remember a few weeks ago when we saw Michael
Wenhu playing at left guard. See that didn't stick for
a game, but that tells me that they were at
least willing to experiment a little bit and willing to
take Michael Jordan out of that starting lineup if it
comes down to it. So I do think that this
could be a good opportunity for it the offensive line,

(01:15:44):
just it has to be better. In general. They've been
a little bit better with Drake Maye quarterback than they
were earlier in the season with Choby Perscat, but there's
still absolutely room for improvement there. So you know, I
would put him in there at left guard. If they
really like Jordan, then I would certainly sit them at
center as well. But it just seems like a better
fit firm there at left guard, and then you can
get some decent athleticism there too, between viderian low left

(01:16:06):
tackle and cool strangle left guard that it could be helpful.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
Sure, I don't disagree with that. I'm just you know, listen,
the versatility of someone that's always been preached about that
offensive line. And that's how teams really help themselves with depth,
as we all know, is to have guys play multiple positions.
So here's a guy that can play, apparently now multiple positions,
even he's been working out with David Andrews, like has
been reported or alleged. Where do you put him? And yeah,

(01:16:30):
I would think you'd want to try to put him
with a position to strength, But listen, we've seen this
coaching staff do things that you know, quite frankly, I don't.
I wouldn't have expected Barmore just came back a week ago.
I would never have expected him to see him play
first week back, and yet there he goes, and he
gets twenty twenty one steps and I guess, mixed bag,
you know, in terms of review from last week. But

(01:16:51):
the fact that he's in there playing you know, up,
I guess, and getting his feet wet and learning how
to kind of do things all over again. I think
it's great that he's kind of learning on the fly
kind of takes me back. And I mentioned this earlier
on the show today, But you know, it's the same
philosophy really that I've always described to when it comes
to playing Drake may I wanted him to play so
he could learn on the fly. And it seems like

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kind of like that's what Barmore did a little last week,
and maybe what a guy like Cole Strange ends up doing.
So there's a little imbalance there in terms of philosophy,
I think in terms of putting guys in the lineup.

Speaker 7 (01:17:24):
Yeah, I mean with Bill Delichick at head coach, you
could always kind of anticipate that you would bring guys
along slowly. Yea, when they were coming back it would
take a few weeks for them to get back in there.
But yeah, no, one hundred percent. It seems like with
Drawd Mayo, they're much more willing to thrust guys in
there learn on the fly. I think, you know, alex
Am Pellt plays in it as well. And I mean,
like you said, I never would have expected Christian Barmore

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to play twenty plus snaps with one practice under his
belt after missing whatever it was, ten eleven months of football,
going through the you know, a health situation, health related
situation with blood cloths like I wouldn't have thought that
was possible, but clearly they thought he could and he
did it. And you know, he came out of it,
like you said, mixed results. It didn't make a major

(01:18:07):
impact in the game, but he wound up with three tackles.
He was able to contribute, you know, rotate in there
a little bit. And now I think that we'll just
see his his uh, you know, his role grow. It
goes along now too.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Sure, Doug, what was the biggest reason in your estimation
you think that the Patriot lost that game to the
Rams last week.

Speaker 7 (01:18:27):
I mean, when it boils down to it, it was
the defense. I think the defense really failed them in
that game. You know, Jonathan Jones said after the game
that he's got to be better off for the Patriots.
He was certainly someone that should have played a lot better.
He got burned by Cooper Cup on the sixty nine
yard catch. Obviously you can throw coaching in there as well,
since they called it zero blitz and he had no

(01:18:49):
safety help over the top, But he also got burned
by Cook Nakula for another touchdown the game. I personally
disagreed with the philosophy of, you know, having Christian Gonzalez
play the majority of the game on the boundary and
did not match him up with either or Cooper Cup.
It was a it was a plan that worked well
against the Bears, and for me that it worked well

(01:19:10):
because there wasn't a weak wide receiver that the Bears
could put on on Christian Goanzalez. Between DJ Moore, Keenan Allen,
and Romo dun Day, someone was going to be worthy
of that coverage. When you put Christian Gonzalez on the
boundary against the Rams and they can just throw DeMarcus
Robinson in there and get just kind of like set
it and forget it, I think that's where you into
issues because then you can let your other two wide

(01:19:32):
receivers run free. So that's another big element. So I
do think it was a majority of defense and really
coaching on defense as well. I think there were some
decisions that Droug Mayo might want to have back on
offense too. But I mean Drake may performed certainly the
interception at the end in help, but may it really
just does boil down to the defensive performance.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
Sure, And I think there would be a lot of
people that would agree with you. And of course you
mentioned Drake's performance, which was you know, he had you know,
his best numbers yet coming off I guess overall his
best start thus far. Is there a danger for him
to maybe hit a plateau here just because of the
personnel that he has surround him. How can maybe this

(01:20:12):
coaching is to have best keep him moving in an
upward sort of curve here in an effort to be
able to attract others to come to this roster in
the off season.

Speaker 7 (01:20:23):
I think one big thing would be having some continuity
a wide receiver, And I think we're getting closer that
where Kendrick Bourne had a big game on Sunday to
Mario Douglas performed well, Kayshaun Boody stayed pretty consistent and
then obviously targeting Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper in the
passing game as well. So for me, I think to
continue that upward trajectory. I think there is a potential

(01:20:45):
plateau with his supporting cast on offense just because it
is one of the weaker offensive lines in the NFL.
It's on the weaker wide receiver groups. But if you
can keep those starting three of Kayshaun Buoy to Mario
Douglas and Kendrick Burn and Drake May can really start
to develop some chemistry with those guys. He talked about
it a little bit today, where he wants his wide
receivers to be playing football. He doesn't necessarily want them

(01:21:06):
to go exactly what's on the play call sheet. He
wants them to see what he's seeing at some of
the same stuff that we talked about with Tom Brady.
And I do think that that was probably the cause
of that interception to Marto Douglas, where maybe de Mario
Douglas was doing what was on the play call sheet.
He was running the exact route that was called, but
Drake May expected him to do something different on that

(01:21:27):
play to cut in in front of the state sees
behind the linebacker hit him over the middle there. So
I think that with more continuity, with a little bit
more predictability at wide receiver you will start to see
that and it thinks that maybe a guy like Jalen
Polk or Javon Baker doesn't play as many snaps if
that is the case. But overall, I think it is

(01:21:47):
about developing Drake May and like you said, it's about developing.
It's about attracting other talent this offseason and maybe not
having to overpay so significantly for a guy like Kee
Higgins in creation.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
Yeah, you fly out, gotta want. You got to have
guys that want to be here because you know you
I mean, I wouldn't say you're going to get you know,
pennies on the dollar for him, but still you still
have guys that are motivated to be here, to play
with a talent that can put the ball in their
hands so they can do what they do best. And
you know, everybody's always look, you sign a contract, but everybody,
we know, everybody's always playing for the next deal. The

(01:22:23):
contract that you want to be wary of is a
guy who's, you know, signing his last deal. You want
somebody who's playing for his next deal. That's when you're
going to be able to really maximize I think the
want to in terms of being in a particular place.

Speaker 7 (01:22:36):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think that one one kind of
underrated element is you start to see last week after
the game against the ram Sean McVay really talking up
Drake May. Today, Mike McDaniel from the Dolphins, he's really
talking up Drake May. When you see the analyst guy
like guys like dann Er lobsk Here, any of these

(01:22:57):
other quarterback experts that are out there really tweeting about
Drake May, talking up Drake May. I think that's the
kind of stuff the players see at this point too.
So I think that anything like that is going to
be helping to attract that talent. Like you said, those
guys who are wanting to play for the next contract
and say, hey, that's a quarterback who's.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
On the up and up.

Speaker 7 (01:23:16):
That's someone that I want to play for. So anything
like that right now is just really beneficial to the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
Well as far as this game is concerned, I think
we certainly can see it, you know, right out there
in front of everybody, that the Dolphins need to win
to keep whatever flailing post season hopes they have alive.
They certainly looked a little bit better last week against
you know, the Raiders, and getting a win, even though
they fell you know, flat in the previous few weeks.
But there definitely is a pathway for them to play

(01:23:44):
their way back into serious postseason contention. And you would
think that the last thing that they would want to
do is be able to, you know, stumble at the
hands of a team that Franklin they've owned over the
last couple of years. I mean, you know, I think
you know, Tua can almost call the Patriots his daddy.

Speaker 7 (01:24:02):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's a matchup that I don't
necessarily expect the Patriots to win, but they have at
least proven that they can stay competitive a game against
the Rams. I think it does help a little bit
that you played last weekend, Sean McVay. Now you're playing
against Mike McDaniel a little bit more of a similar
offense that those guys are running, So maybe you don't
make some of those same mistakes that he made against

(01:24:24):
the Rams and Matthew Stafford this week against the Dolphins.
But no, I mean, this is definitely a highly motivated
Dolphins team, a Dolphins team that wants to prove that
they are legitimate, a Dolphins team that definitely is is
you know on the trajectory potentially to make the playoffs
if they can continue stringing together these wins. So the
Patriots really have to come in with the mentality of

(01:24:45):
trying to play spoiler, and it's tough to do. They
have not played well in Miami over the last few
years or really historically. It's a little bit easier obviously
in November than it would be in September, but it's
still a place historically, even even in December that gives
the Patriots fit. They've got to get over that hump
and maybe you we'll see with Rod Mayo and there
it will be all look different. But no, I mean,

(01:25:07):
they they definitely have to prove that they can win
in Miami because that is a really tough stuffre Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Just I'm just curious to see your observations. Why has
it been so hard for them to win there? Why?

Speaker 8 (01:25:17):
Why?

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
Why do they have this this phobia.

Speaker 7 (01:25:21):
It's it's a really good question. I mean, I'm sure
that the difference in heat doesn't help, even even when
you're even when it's like December and maybe it's a
little bit more mild in the seventies or low eighties,
still going from from Boston to there certainly doesn't help.
I don't think it's a massive like, I don't think
it's crowd noise so much. I don't think it's necessarily

(01:25:41):
any specific thing about the teams or the stadium because
it's been different regimes, it's been different coaching staff. So
it's a really good question. The only thing I can possibly,
you know, come to the conclusion on it is that
it's got to be weather related. And even that, I mean,
Bill Belichick tried that in the past of having them
stay down in Miami for the weekend and it still
didn't work.

Speaker 8 (01:26:01):
So I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:26:02):
It is very interesting that that specific place, where that
specific team gives them so much trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Yeah, sure, they sure do. And you've got to motivated
Miami team because they don't want to stumble. They've got
tougher games, allegedly tougher games on down the stretch that
they're going to need to win in order to stay,
you know, right in the hunt for a potential wildcard
spot on down the line. So it's a it's an
important day for the Dolphins. The Patriots are definitely going
to have the target on their backs. Doug, thanks so much.

(01:26:28):
For spending a little time with his day. It's all appreciated,
absolutely anytime.

Speaker 7 (01:26:33):
John.

Speaker 4 (01:26:33):
Great talking to you, you too, Thank you, buddy. Doug
kyde k y e ed in the last name it's
at Doug kyde on X follow his stuff from the
Boston Herald. Good guy and uh, you know, accurate, very accurate,
hard to argue with just about anything. Uh with uh,

(01:26:53):
what he's gone through, what he's what he's what he
said about this team and the way that they've got
things set up for, you know, for the foreseeable future.
I mean, look, it's all kind of laid out there
right now. You want to do what you can to
keep Drake moving forward. Uh. You want to try to
get back some of your walking wounded, which they're doing slowly.

(01:27:14):
You want to try to continue developing younger players, the
few that you have that seem to be willing to
be developed.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
You want to see if you can get anything at
all out of the ones that are disappointing. Jalen Polk,
you know, step to the front of the line on
that one.

Speaker 8 (01:27:28):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:27:28):
So you know, there are still things to accomplish for
this year before we get completely to next year. And
I know so many want to turn the page. I
got asked that today at school. I like, you know,
you know, guys coming up and say, well, so, what
do you think they should do about next year? What
should they do about you know, the receiver? What should
they do about this? And I'm like, hey, I'm going
to worry about that in the off season. What's this

(01:27:49):
year is over? Right now? What I want to see
is I want to see continued improvement, and not just
from the players. I want to see continued improvement from
the coaching staf. I want to see adjustments made. I
want to see, you know, the light bulb go being
on top of the heads of the coaches and the players.
And anytime I get that light bulb to turn on,
I'm going to feel like, okay, now you're making that

(01:28:11):
step in the right direction. And we just haven't seen
that often enough. That's a big reason why the team
is three and eight thus far. You're going through some
growing pains here and nobody's used to them. There is
a way to get out of those growing pains. You
need some more personnel, but you also need to coach

(01:28:31):
them up better. So it's a two pronged fork right now, too, ProMED.
One prong is gott to help the other, and if
one prong stays bent, you're not gonna be You shouldn't
tolerate it. You shouldn't tolerate it. That's why, you know,
how this team ends this year and how they address

(01:28:53):
the off season as soon as the off season occurs,
it's hugely important for the immediate future of this team
in this franchise. Let's go back to the phones here
and our buddy Todd in North Carolina with us.

Speaker 9 (01:29:05):
Hey Todd, Hey John, how are you doing today?

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Good buddy, good?

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
Two hear.

Speaker 9 (01:29:10):
So I'm driving and I'm watching and every time I
see a Virginia license plight, I would like to hit
the dirt and you know, find a place to call
and hide because they go too fast. And yeah, they're
the types that will not only come from four lanes over,
but they'll be behind you, honking go over four lanes,
come back and cut you off. Get the off round.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
Just yeah, I understand, just to push off. I get that.
That's kind of like Rhode Island drivers around here, So yeah,
I understand that completely. What I want to do is
I want to put eldred uh, you know, on route
four ninety five here and where you're traveling as well.
I want to put Eldred in a tank.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
That'd be cool.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
Yeah, I'd be very cool with that. I think we
want to put a we wouldn't want to put a camera,
you know, on the front window of that tank, just
so we can you know. Yeah, I think that would
be you know, justice duly served.

Speaker 9 (01:30:00):
And the reason I called in is is exactly because
of Eldred. Okay, I'm I'm wagering a Bertie's peanuts selection
of peanuts. He can briddle whatever that he get against
I don't know, offer T shirt or something that he
can draft better than the Patriots draft team for the
next year's draft.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Well, okay, well we're we're okay. That's fine, and and
and we can accept that, I guess as a show here.
I I like that. I I will we'll at what
Eldred does with what the team does, and we'll we'll
see how he fares, because I think it's time, you know,
for him to achieve you know, legendary status in his
own right, don't you.

Speaker 9 (01:30:41):
Oh heck yeah, I love There's nobody who has the
passion of Eldred. He just he's so tuned into the
team and he's got that. I don't know if it's
a sixth sense. He said, he'll tell you stuff like
the team's gonna end up feeling in this area this year,
and all of a sudden you look and it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
Dang, yeah, it was right. Yeah, no, no, no word
of a lie. I agree with you. And I've known
this about Eldred for how many years I've been doing
this show now, twenty four, twenty five? Almost yeah too, Damn,
Mini is exactly right. But I have fun doing it
because I get to talk to you, guys like you,
and Eldred and and Patty and and a lot of
the others that have been regulars on the show throughout

(01:31:20):
the years. I enjoy this. I look forward to it because, frankly,
I value your opinion. You follow the team closely enough
to the point where your your opinions and the statements
you have to make have validity because you watch the games.
That's what I'm interested in. I'm not interested in just
you know, straight pom pom waving. I want to know
why you think the way you think.

Speaker 9 (01:31:42):
And with respect to Polk, didn't Booty have kind of
a similar first year I know he's a sixth round
draft pick and we shouldn't be comparing the two. But
I seem to remember when Booty first was doing his thing.
They loved him in the preseasons, like, oh my god,
look what he can do.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
Look what he can do.

Speaker 9 (01:31:58):
Yeah, and then came around to the year and he's like, uh,
because I think the game is so different. The NFL
game is so so different than the college game. Yeah,
it's faster, it's it's more complex. Well, it requires just
a higher level of execution. You may have just don't
think that that young guys are.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Ready for it. You may have just answered your own question.
I think that's part of the reason why we saw
him struggle last year, because he just wasn't quite ready
for the professional game. But now that he's had a
year and a half now to learn how to be
a pro, we're starting to see a little bit of
production out of him. So, you know, he you know,
you know, I had a few things hanging over his
head before he got here. But I think he's I

(01:32:42):
think I think he's in earnest, working his butt off
to try to be a better player, a better professional.
I think we're starting to see that, so I think
you kind of answered your own question.

Speaker 9 (01:32:53):
Well see, I think that's why I'm getting too is
I want to wait for both. I want to give
both at least one more year, okay, just to see
if he can have that development. I know there's a
lot putting on him, a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Expected of him.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:33:06):
And you know, I think I kind of agree with Aldrid.
We always seem to get this weird, kind of a
slow pondering guy for the outside, which I just I
think that's the old school game. I think, just think
in eighty seventies.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:33:25):
That just doesn't work anymore. I think you need those
fast guys. I think you need the guys that stretch
the field, and not only north south, but can stretch
a field east west. But how many times they put
tyra key on nail in motion and your defense has
to find him, just move it. And that's what the
Rams did it to us, too, right, they got guys
with speed and skill they could move latterly. So you've

(01:33:47):
got to be able to stretch the field in all directions.
And I just the only person I can see doing
that is our wonderful little swat guy.

Speaker 8 (01:33:53):
And that's it.

Speaker 9 (01:33:54):
It's the only guy that I think we got right
now with.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
That kind of speed and.

Speaker 9 (01:33:57):
Ability to you know, unless we get our dB to
place more offensive snaps, that's just.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
Hard, John, I know. I actually think you hit the
nail on the head right there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:34:08):
And with respect to defense, I was predicting this year
that they regress, and I think that's kind of what's
happened there. They just don't have They just didn't have
the core people. We used to have depth, and the
depth just kept getting eroded and eroded and eroded, and
I was gone, John, is just there's no depth there.
We take an injury on either side of the ball

(01:34:30):
and it's over, and that's kind of sad. I don't know.
I think we're gonna have to be patient and give
them a year, two or three to get that back up.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
Two or three, two or three, Todd won't do it.
You got a year. This is a very competitive league.
It's all about winning now. You're in the business to
win games, which has disturbed me about a lot of
the philosophies that we've heard from this regime. You're not
here necessarily to develop, you develop by winning. It's a
little bast awkwards maybe, but to me, that's what it's

(01:35:00):
always been.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
And you know, and maybe that's unfair. It could very
well be unfair, but that's just the business of the NFL.
And I think the Patriots sometimes I feel like sometimes
the Patriots kind of a loose sight of that. So
that's why you know, we opining the way that we do.

Speaker 9 (01:35:19):
Yeah, well that note, John, I can get my boy
to piano class.

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
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Speaker 8 (01:36:34):
I'm good? Now, you did a Bridgestone promo but before me?
Does that mean you're.

Speaker 5 (01:36:38):
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Speaker 8 (01:36:39):
No? But yeah, I know there's always a dad joke.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
In that Listen. That's okay, because when you're a dad,
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sometimes it's really tough for me to do dad jokes anymore.
Do they have granddad jokes?

Speaker 8 (01:36:57):
No? I just know that dad jokes rhyme with dad jokes.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
Well that's also very true. All right, So you know,
let's let's kind of start. The first thing I actually
start with is non Patriot related, but I guess it
kind of is, because you know, this team is you know,
you know, is A is a neighbor in the AFC East.
But man, the Jets seem to be you know, they
just can't get out of the way for making news
that just can't be anything but negative, because you know,

(01:37:23):
you fire the coach at mid season. They let the
GM go today. And now there's reports out there from
several sources, is that the owner suggested benching Aaron Rodgers
after the head coach was fired and didn't get what
he wanted. And so who's running the show?

Speaker 8 (01:37:42):
Well, to me, it seems like what he Johnson is
running the show clearly, And I don't know. Here's what
I don't understand, Okay, And I know, listen, I know
for some of our media brethren, their favorite game to
cover is the blame game.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:37:57):
And they tried to pick one person. And I know
Aaron Rodgers is an easy target and I'm certainly not
absolving him of anything that has gone wrong this year,
But riddle.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
Me, this.

Speaker 8 (01:38:11):
Was Aaron Rodgers around in twenty ten when the Jets
last made the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:38:20):
In twenty ten, when they last made the playoffs, that
was fourteen years ago. Yes, yeah, so he was yeah, yeah,
he would have been yeah, sure, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:38:31):
He was the Super Bowl winning quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
For Green Bay that year. Yeah, of course.

Speaker 8 (01:38:36):
Okay, and that year the Packers almost faced the Jets
in the Super Bowl, right, and if the Jets lost
to Pittsburgh in the NFC Titlekay, So my point is this,
and you will you understand this more than anyone else.
If you're going to finger Jerry Jones for the ineptitude
in Dallas and the failure to get back to a

(01:38:58):
Super Bowl or even an NFC title game since nineteen
ninety five, nuts, why isn't the finger pointing more at
the owner of the Jets for the longest active layoffs
throughout the league.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
No, that's that's fair. That's very fair. So that's kind
of why I let into it, because it does seem
like Woody Johnson is He's doing all the string pulling here,
and for the life of me, I can't imagine. I
don't know if they even want to, but I can't
imagine Aaron Rodgers going back to that next year.

Speaker 8 (01:39:31):
Well here's the other thing too. If Aaron Rodgers is
doing or has done everything he's been accused of, in
particular by one media person, and I won't get into
his name, Okay, if that is true, and I mean
there's been no source to this whatsoever, it's just pure speculation.

(01:39:51):
If he isn't able to do this, john who would
be the only person to empower him to do that?
It would be the owner.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
Well, yeah, because he's the one that writes the checks
and yeah, sure.

Speaker 8 (01:40:05):
Right exactly, So who's the you just said it? If
Woody Johnson is indeed running the show and this team
can't get back to the playoffs in a league where
everybody gets back to the playoffs for the most part,
and now Denver's not been there since twenty fifteen. Okay,
I get that the Raiders haven't won a playoff game

(01:40:26):
since two thousand and two. I get all that, but again,
the longest active drought, numerous head coaches, numerous starting quarterbacks,
one winning season. They haven't had a winning season since
twenty fifteen when Todd Bowles was there and they finished
ten and six but missed the playoffs. So this is
the miserable stretch. And the idea that this franchise was

(01:40:53):
going to bring in one person to save the ship
is ludicrous because that's never happened. It's never been one
person come in and save a franchise. Okay, you were
a better chance of a coach coming in to save
a franchise than you do a quarterback at defensive end.

(01:41:15):
I mean, how many times you remember this? In the
late eighties, I kept on hearing this, the Minnesota Vikings
are one player away from getting to the super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
Heard that a lot right like.

Speaker 8 (01:41:27):
Merriweather was a big trade for them. Herschel Walker, we
know all about that. Well, I'm still waiting for the
Vikings get back to the super Bowl. They haven't been
there since ready, nineteen seventy six.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
Crazy, I was a junior in high school. Yeah, so
was last time.

Speaker 8 (01:41:40):
They never even appeared in the Super Bowl. Okay, Miami
hasn't been to Super Bowl in forty years.

Speaker 10 (01:41:48):
Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
So the idea that you.

Speaker 8 (01:41:51):
Can fix things and this isn't just football, this is
all sports. Okay, maybe even the exception of the NBA
because they only have five players on the court. I
understand that, and you'll have a limited roster. But the
idea that one person is going to come in, you know,
walk on water, raise his hands and we're going all

(01:42:11):
the way, it just doesn't happen. We have seen some
of the greatest performances in history by an individual and
they've gone on to win the league MVP that year
and it doesn't translate. So I always talk about that's
now only happened one time in fifty eight years that

(01:42:33):
a quarterback led the league in passing yards and won
the Super Bowl the same season. I was actually Patrick
Mahomes in twenty twenty two. So this is not a
one man show. It's not a one man fix. But
you're right, they can't seem to stay out of the
news as more and more of this gets on the

(01:42:53):
earth about what has gone wrong and what is really fascinating,
and you are I'm not going to again mention names
of certain people I have worked with, who are in
the media, who are flat out New York Jets fans,
and they are calling this the worst season in franchise history.

Speaker 4 (01:43:15):
It's not. It's not even that.

Speaker 8 (01:43:17):
Of course it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:43:18):
They've had a bunch of them.

Speaker 8 (01:43:20):
Yet there has I remember one in fifteen yea, which
is pretty awful. Sure, okay, but the fact that they
are so ingrained and so personally involved in it has
them saying. I mean, I heard one person say this
was the most uh disappointing season by a franchise in

(01:43:42):
sports history. Now, I wasn't around for the first Olympics, Okay,
I'm willing to bet there was probably some disappointment there
probably Okay, no, I mean the craziness, but again, that's
what we live in. We lived the click fix and
all that stuff. And meanwhile, let's just talk about the

(01:44:05):
teams that are in the playoff mix, because we had
some craziness last week. We had two we had two
one point games, we had a two point game, you know,
Chris Boswell and in Pittsburgh is now Pele, Okay, and
you know, we had the showdown that the Chiefs are

(01:44:25):
not undefeated anymore. The Cowboys are headed south the Lions
and god forbid they play another ADFC team.

Speaker 4 (01:44:34):
Yeah, they're totally dominated. Yeah. Right.

Speaker 8 (01:44:37):
By the way, later in the year they played the Bills.

Speaker 4 (01:44:40):
Which I'm going to love to see.

Speaker 8 (01:44:42):
Wow, boy, that's got just fun written all over.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
I'll be honest with you. I really like and I'm
not saying this to be anti Kansas City at all,
because I think the Chiefs could Definitely I think they've
got a legit shot at three pete and I've thought
that all year long, no matter how much Patriot fans
don't want to hear that. I would love to see
a Detroit Buffalo Super Bowl just for the fact that
somebody's got to win it, and it'll be the first

(01:45:06):
time they've ever won it, right and for.

Speaker 8 (01:45:08):
The Lions, who are the only team in the NFC
never to go. You know, they haven't won an NFL
title since nineteen fifty seven, right, which was two years
before I was even born.

Speaker 4 (01:45:19):
Same here, same here. So now that I'm going to
tell you how old.

Speaker 8 (01:45:23):
We are, right, well, like older than twenty one?

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
Yeah, times three?

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Do you know this?

Speaker 8 (01:45:30):
In the nineteen fifties that the league was dominated by
two franchises since I've never been to the Super Bowl,
the Cleveland Browns and the Detroit Lions, right right almost,
and we played each other for the title. They both
won three championships in that decade. Now, that's when the
Browns finally joined the NFL when they were in the A,

(01:45:51):
the All America Football Conference, where they dominated all four
years that was in existence. So but yet a Lion's Bills,
I can you know? I can you think about this,
the Lions fan base and Dan Campbell, the Bills and
their fan base jumping off tables and eating wings in

(01:46:14):
the city of New Orleans.

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
Yeah, that'll be wild. If you ever go to a
super Bowl, or ever wanted to go to a super Bowl,
especially where your team isn't involved, I would say the
Lions Bills, if it gets to be, that would especially
in New Orleans, that'd be a good one to go to.

Speaker 8 (01:46:29):
Right, I had to go off the top of my head,
and I'll probably get this wrong. The last time two
teams met in the Super Bowl that neither one of
them had won one. And it might have been it
might have been okay, and again I'm gonna get this

(01:46:49):
wrong because I'm just doing it to win job here.
It might have been Patriots Bears.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
Uh yeah, both teams.

Speaker 8 (01:46:59):
Yeah, Now, the Bears had won NFL championships, they'd never
been to super.

Speaker 4 (01:47:02):
Bowl, super Bowl. That's right, that's right.

Speaker 8 (01:47:04):
Obviously, the Patriots like the member three road wins to
get to the super Bowl in the playoffs over the Jets,
over the Raiders, h Matt Millan and where Patrick Sullivan
won't be having any coffee soon? Is that?

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
Do you remember what happened? I remember, Yes, I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:47:25):
Sure you do.

Speaker 8 (01:47:26):
And then them going down to Miami, which I think
they hadn't won a game down and they're like since
the mid sixties. Yes, and they beat and they ran
right if they're running game and Sea and that was
a really opertistic team.

Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
Correct.

Speaker 8 (01:47:39):
Again, We're gonna check it after I get off the
air here with you and said, but it might be
New England Chicago.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
Yeah, okay, that's a good guess. Anyway, that's a really
good guess.

Speaker 8 (01:47:48):
Well, I mean, listen, you know what you know, lack
of social life?

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
All right, all right, well you talk. You mentioned you know,
teams that are head in the other direction besides the Jets,
and I look at it. Look at the schedule this week.
There are four games that I that I've looked at
that I'd say are potential difference makers for the remainder
of the season. In other words, it could you or
let's just say separation games. You could separate the haves

(01:48:17):
from the have nots in these games this week, in
Week twelve in the NFL. You know, it just so
happens that you have three of them in the NFC.
One in the AFC. I got forty nine Ers Packers,
because the forty nine ers are you know, they're teetering,
they're at five and five overall, I got I got
the Cardinals and the Seahawks, who you know, Cardinals are

(01:48:38):
six and four and maybe a little bit better than
people give them credit for Seahawks five and five. And
you got the Eagles and the Rams. And the Rams
who we just saw this past week. They still look
mighty potent on offense when they want to be, especially
when the Patriots, you know, come up with a really
semi silly game plan defensively that really helped the Rams,
I think in that game. But you know, both of

(01:48:59):
those teams need to win to stay in the hunt.
And then in the AFC that's the Monday night game
this next weekend, you got the Ravens at the Chargers
separation games. Is that an accurate assessment you think? Well?

Speaker 8 (01:49:10):
I think so well, especially the three you talked about
on Sunday, John, because they all involved all four af
NFC West team, which if you haven't seen the standings,
Arizona is six and four and the other three they're
all five and five.

Speaker 4 (01:49:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:49:25):
Okay, so you talked about the forty nine ers teetering.
I have some pieces coming out in the next couple
of days about ranking the playoff teams from a year
ago their playoff chances this year.

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:49:39):
And it's not based on percentages of them getting in.
It's based on other factors, you know, such as who
was left on their schedule, not you know, not strength
to schedule, but the opportunity. For instance, Buffalo is all
but in the playoffs because of the fact that they've

(01:49:59):
won nine games and the rest of the division has
won ten. Okay, you know, and even though Kansas City
has the better record, Kansas City, could you know, if
they drop another game, they could wind up in the
dogfight in the AFC West because Chargers and the Broncos
are both above five.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
Hundred yep, charging hard, Yep, absolutely that.

Speaker 8 (01:50:21):
Meanwhile, Baltimore has already lost as many games as it
did all last season. They're on the cusp of already
giving they can up the fewest points in the league
last year, John two eight, they've given up two seventy
one already. Yeah, okay, And they have the Chargers this week,
and they don't have a great record in the conference.

(01:50:45):
And that's the kind of stuff. I mean, they're four
and four in the conference, Okay, so when you start
getting bunch up. Now, they did beat Denver, which is
obviously a plus for them, Okay, but they lost to Cleveland.
They obviously just lost to Pittsburgh. They did beat Buffalo, okay,
but they lost to the Chiefs. So there's so much
to solve here. And that Monday night game and we

(01:51:09):
just saw the Chargers get out big on Cincinnati, let
Cincinnati tie the game. Yep, okay, which was funny. The
Chargers had not given up more than twenty points in
the game all year. But I don't think they scored
as many as they did the other night either, so
which I think speaks volume about the Cincinnati's problems on defense.
But the end NFC West is really intriguing. Go back

(01:51:33):
to the forty nine Ers for a second. This is
obviously a playoff rematch from a year ago when they
met in the divisional round. The Niners came back and
beat them twenty four to twenty one. Sure, San Francisco
is one in three within their own division.

Speaker 4 (01:51:52):
Man, Okay, yeah, you got to win it. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:51:54):
They lost the Seattle, they lost the Rams, they lost
the Seattle at home, and he lost Arizona at home. Okay,
So now we're just starting to thinking about and I
know seven teams make it in each conference, but you know,
here's another conference game for the forty nine ers. I
think it would. I think it would surprise people to

(01:52:15):
know you're ready for this jump. The Niners are two
and five versus NFC teams.

Speaker 4 (01:52:20):
Jeez wow, So they've been feeding on AFC teams. That's crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:52:24):
Yeah, they're you know, they're doing okay against the A
see okay, but that's not a good sign when you're
starting to get down to this time of the year
in terms of tiebreakers and so on. So another conference
loss would drop them to five and six and then

(01:52:48):
about two and six in the conference. And that's so
when you say what you said about the Sunday games
and so on, you couldn't be more spot on. And
we'll see what happens with Seattle. Seattle's reeling. I know
they came back and won the game the other day,
but up before that day had lost what five or

(01:53:08):
six after their three and oh start. They're still a
very erratic team. They've got a first time NFL head coach,
so it's going to be very interesting to see. And
again Monday night the Chargers, who should be able to
take advantage of that Baltimore defense. I know Baltimore didn't
give up a touchdown last week, but of course they
also turned over the ball three times against Stewarts. Pittsburgh

(01:53:31):
somewhat has Lamar Jackson's number for lack of lack of
a better word. But there's so much pressure on that
Baltimore defense or Baltimore offense now because the defense has
been and it's not really a shock if you look
at the off season this year and how much they
lost on that. You know, Patrick Queen went to the Steelers,
Gino Stone Pro Bowl Safety went to the Bengals to

(01:53:55):
Davian Clowney left, their coordinator left. So as much as
they have Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson, they're piling up
big numbers. Okay, it's it's been a different story on
the other side of the ball for them, and it's
it's not really a Ravens team who were used to seeing.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
Right, No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:54:15):
I want to ask you obviously about the Patriots and
the Dolphins you know, this week, but you know, overall,
before I get to that point, what are your No,
I've lost my computer, just Frozier, I had a question
for you and I just I just lost it. It figures, right,
old age doesn't help you sometimes, but when your computer

(01:54:36):
fails you you're completely lost.

Speaker 8 (01:54:38):
Nowadays, right, the answer is to get to the other side.

Speaker 4 (01:54:44):
Listen, this chicken ain't going anywhere, trust me.

Speaker 8 (01:54:48):
It's to listen.

Speaker 5 (01:54:49):
That's always the fallback.

Speaker 8 (01:54:50):
Just like if you can't get somebody's phone number, you
just say eight six seven real.

Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
Nine, Yes, exactly right, Jenny, Jenny, who can I turn to?
All right, let's go ahead and get to the Dolphins
and the Patriots. You know the it's run on the
tip of my tongue too, and my computers is not
helping me here. Okay. So at any rate, last week,
what we saw with the Patriots against the Rams, and

(01:55:15):
I think the Rams kind of figured themselves out a
little bit more. The Patriots didn't adjust as to what
we thought they might adjust. The Dolphins, this team, you know,
has certainly had it over the Patriots over the last
few years. Might be Daniel Tool We know that, you know,
he you know, has had great success in his young
pro career against New England. But now the Dolphins have

(01:55:35):
something legitimately to play for. They need to continue to
win because they've got a bit of a pathway to
a potential playoff spot. And I'm just wondering if you
think that really matters in the overall scheme of things,
especially with the Dolphins really still being an imperfect team.

Speaker 8 (01:55:52):
Oh, I say question about it. Listen, they went through
not having two to Tagolowa for four games. They've had
a problem as of late, especially the last four games.
They've given up at least two hundred yards of offense
in the second half.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:56:08):
Yeah, but they've managed that. They did something they hadn't
done all year last year, John, they won two games
in a row. And listen, they've got some rough spots ahead. Okay,
they have a obviously this week. And I'm not going
to say it's not easy to sweep a team, because
we know contrary, it's easier to sweep than it is
to split, especially when you beat the team seven at

(01:56:29):
eight times, like they have the Patriots. So they're trying
to crawl their way back. I mean, I posed this
question a couple of weeks ago that could we see
an eight to nine team in the AFC, because you know,
and now we have seven winning teams because what at
Denver did to Atlanta last week, and then the Chargers
et cetera, et cetera, so yeah, they obviously. Now I

(01:56:50):
do know they have to go to Green Bay on
Thanksgiving night, yep. And I don't even know what the
temperature is going to be, but I'm guessing it's not
going to be seventy five. Yes, okay, And you know,
I'm not going to get into the whole numbers about
them playing in cold weather and so on. But that's
a tall task for anyone is to go up there

(01:57:14):
at lambeau Field, except if you're a team in the division.
Because one of the things that has Green Bay a
little behind the eight ball, and they're seven to three,
as you know, but they lost it home to both
Detroit and Minute two divisional home losses. Now they beat
the Bears in Chicago last week. That kind of even

(01:57:36):
things out. But you know, this could be one of
these year or someone you see in like an eight
to nine or nine and eight in the AFC, and
maybe someone in the NFC wins ten games and doesn't
make it.

Speaker 4 (01:57:50):
Yeah, yeah, I can see that. That's and that's part
of the reason why I went that direction, because I
know that the Dolphins, anything short of the playoffs, that's
going to be a miserable disappointment for a team that
so much was expected of before this season started. I mean,
they were actually I think kind of considered a division favorite,
with all due respect to the Bills. But over the
year started, and of course then Tua got you know,
his his block almost knocked off, and then you know,

(01:58:11):
they've had some other injury issues and teams have adjusted
and and I don't know if Mike McDaniel really deserves
the heat or if he's just trying to kind of
learn on his own because he's a young coach. But
they need to win this game. If they lose this
game to New England, that could have far reaching repercussions
for this franchise.

Speaker 8 (01:58:30):
I don't think there's any question about it. And they're
going to already need help obviously to get in And
you know, Denver's sitting at six and five, and the
game that could wind up really coming back and haunting
Miami is that lost in Indianapolis.

Speaker 4 (01:58:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:58:47):
Now the Colts are five and six, Okay, So if
it's a two team tie breaker and it's head to head,
the Colts would go in place of the Dolphins. Now,
you know, I'm not going to try and project, but
the Colts play the Lions this week. Okay, and that's
that could be more like the Lions versus the Christians,

(01:59:08):
except for the instead of the Lions versus the Colts.
As I was pointing out and something I'm writing this week,
the Lions have played three teams in the AFC South
and a score to combine one hundred and thirty points.

Speaker 4 (01:59:23):
Well could grief.

Speaker 8 (01:59:25):
They put fifty two up on Tennessee, they put fifty
two up on Jackson Bill right, and twenty six against
the Texans when they were way down.

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
John, I know you know this.

Speaker 8 (01:59:38):
The Lions had six hundred and forty five yards of
total offense. I had to look at it twice. I
thought it was Michigan State.

Speaker 4 (01:59:44):
Yeah right, that's crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:59:47):
Six hundred yards of offense is not something you see
in an NFL game, No you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:59:52):
But they're capable. That's why I love the Lions. I
think the Lions are very entertaining football team.

Speaker 8 (01:59:57):
Yes. Oh, and by the way, I have to go
back and correct myself. The Niners are not two and
five in the conference. They're actually three and four.

Speaker 4 (02:00:03):
Three and four s okay.

Speaker 8 (02:00:04):
They have a losing record in the conference.

Speaker 4 (02:00:06):
They're teetering and the lost.

Speaker 8 (02:00:07):
The Green Bed could really set that one in three
divisional record is mystifying because of how good they've been
against their NFC West rivals the last two or three
years and the fact that they lost two of those
games at home. Now, I know it's it's been a
battered roster, and you know, Christian McCaffrey just got back,

(02:00:27):
But watching Seattle drives the field on them rate in
the game, Gino Smith and Seattle's got some offensive talent.
Watching them drive the field was very much like Arizona
did to get the game winning field.

Speaker 4 (02:00:41):
Goal about a month ago, right for sure? Hey, Russell,
I remembered what it was. I was going to ask you, Okay,
it was about the Steelers. How the hell are they
eighting two?

Speaker 8 (02:00:51):
Because they have found ways to win on offense, on defense,
and special teams.

Speaker 4 (02:00:59):
All three phases of the game, right exactly?

Speaker 8 (02:01:01):
Okay, In fact, I was just writing, and again, who
knows what's going to happen? Last year, Chris Boswell was
twenty nine out of thirty one for the season in
field goals. That's pretty good, wouldn't you say?

Speaker 4 (02:01:14):
Yes, Absolutely, no question about it.

Speaker 8 (02:01:18):
In ten games? Is yuear he's already twenty nine out
of thirty. Okay, now I bring that up because the
NFL record for field goals in the season, any idea, Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:01:30):
No, wait, no, no, I don't.

Speaker 8 (02:01:33):
Actually, I'll give you a hint. It was with a
guy who was more known for one team, and then
he wound up going to another team and he kicked
forty four field goals okay in twenty eleven.

Speaker 4 (02:01:46):
Yep, with David Acres Acres. Wow. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 8 (02:01:51):
Ors Boomer used to call them David Greenacres.

Speaker 4 (02:01:53):
Yeah, Greenacres, which is a good nickname. Yeah, Russell. I
appreciate you as always. We won't be here next week
the day before Thanksgiving because I'll be an assignment on
the road for college basketball duties. So I'm gonna wish
you and yours a very happy Thanksgiving and we'll try
to we'll reconnect two weeks from today if that works for.

Speaker 8 (02:02:14):
You, Lulie. And I've said this on your show for
I think for all twenty three or twenty four years.
If you're betting on Thanksgiving, take me and.

Speaker 4 (02:02:22):
The over, yes, sir, Yes, sir, I will totally concur
with that one. Thanks buddy. I always appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (02:02:32):
You too, have a good day.

Speaker 4 (02:02:33):
Thanks you too. The one and only Russell S Baxter
at Backs Football Guru on X get all of his
stuff on fans side and that's where he puts all
of his work out there a couple of emails that
I wanted to read real quick before we wrap up
the show. I'm just kind of looking here. People are
looking for the you know, the the newsletter that Fred's
putting out and out, so they're putting their emails out here.

(02:02:54):
I want to wed through it a bit. Here's one
that comes from Daniel who says, guys, feels like a
lot of the Patriots defensive lapses are stemmed from problems
with schematics and matchups. Why is Tavai even matched up
with Nikua once during the game. Is that something the
Rams are doing or something that DeMarcus coming and is
failing to see It's honestly, I'm thinking it's a little
of both. To be honest with you, I don't think

(02:03:14):
he's failing to see it. I think that, you know,
this is something they wanted to try to see if
they could get it to work. It clearly didn't. My
biggest issue, and I mentioned this at the top of
the show failure to adjust or not failure, yeah, but
at least slow to adjust, not recognizing enough to adjust,

(02:03:39):
or stubbornness to stay. You know what it is you're doing.
I guess you could describe it in any way that
you know that suits you. But I just I didn't see.
I didn't see. I just didn't see any adjustment. Just
didn't see an adjustment. This one I wanted to read

(02:03:59):
real quick because it has my name in it, Tyler
from Ludlow. It says the twenty twenty four Patriots Thanksgiving
Dinner Awards below our awards to be given by John Rook,
the Patriots player the best match the dish descriptions for
the twenty fourth season. Did you see this one? Marine? Okay?
He says. An example his Grandma's green bean castrole. Grandma
took the year off from cooking after this being a

(02:04:21):
dependable dish every year, and you miss it now that
it's gone. And a player that might receive this award
is Matt Judhan. Mom's mashed potatoes is dependable as it gets.
They rarely let you down, but are not the main
course that everyone will be raving about. Burnt dinner rolls.
You were disappointed overall, but you just have to throw
them away.

Speaker 3 (02:04:39):
And move on.

Speaker 4 (02:04:40):
Baked mac and Cheese. This dish is new to the table,
but it's a welcome edition that you hope to see
annually for years to come. And Cousin Bird's Brussels sprouts.
Cousin Bird must have a cooking class, because last year
this dish was just meh. But Thashier has improved greatly
and smoked turkey the show stopper, the MVP of the meal.
All right, if I've got to give awards burnt Grandma's

(02:05:03):
green bee castrole, I'll go with Jude on mom smashed potatoes,
dependable as it gets. I gotta dependable Christian Gonzales because
he's good and so were Mom smashed potatoes. By the way,
Burnt dinner rolls. Disappointed overall, you have to throw them

(02:05:23):
away and move on. I could get in trouble with this.
Jalen Polk Baked mac and Cheese. This dish is new
to the table, but is a welcome edition that you
hope to see annually for years to come. Drake may
first name that pops into mind, right, Okay, Cousin Burt's
Brussels sprouts cousin Burt must have taken a cooking class,

(02:05:45):
because last year this dish was just this year is
greatly improved. Keishan BOUDI smoke Turkey, the show stopper, MVP
of the meal. Ah Drake's gonna get a second one
on that one. What do you think? How'd I do?

(02:06:06):
Is it? Okay? Mareen? Hey? Really good email? Okay, really
good email? Thank you, Dan, appreciate that. Appreciate the thought,
all right. Our thanks to our thanks to Russell Baxter,
our thanks to Doug Kaide, Easy Lazar, Evan Lazar and
Chris Perkins from the Foul Florida Sun Centinel for joining
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bit earlier to Russell, no show next Wednesday because I'll

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be away on college basketball duty. So but we will
have programming here on Patriots dot Com at Patriots dot
Com Radio to preview the Colts game next week. Then
I'll be back in time from you know, my sojourn
for the game on Sunday, and then we'll recap the
Colts and talk about the bye week two weeks from today.
That'll be our next live edition of the Patriots Playbook.

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