Patriots Playbook 9/4: Week 1 Trends and Predictions

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Patriots Playbook.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Is my turn to talk now?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
He is your host of Patriots Playbook, John Rook bad
as Select.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm very excited because at midnight tonight, midnight tonight, we
debut the six choices that you will have. I will have,
Marine will have, anybody will have the six choices that
we have for a brand new show open. That that's
the very very exciting We're gonna You're gonna debut him

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on YouTube, Is that right, Marine, I'm gonna debut him
on YouTube?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yes, correct?

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Okay, all right, we may even try to play a
few snippets before this this program.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yes, I'm gonna load them up, all right.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
But Marine has worked very hard on brand new opens
for this particular program, uh before the season started. Uh.
And in fact, I listened to all of them and
two of them made me literally lol. Okay.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Miss Robin also voted, and she has her favorites. And
I'm not going to influence anybody one way or the other.
But they are gonna be released on the YouTube channel
page right at midnight tonight Eastern time.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, I made YouTube links for them, and then we'll
tweet out the YouTube insist ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Even better even better. That'll make it easier. So all
you gotta do is just follow on on Twitter, right, okay,
all right, and then we'll play a few and then
we'll see which one you guys pick, and then we'll go.
But they are pretty funny, So some some creativity going
on here and and and I say that largely because yeah,
that I'm that's that's fun and be because we've been

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besieged all of a sudden here by I don't know,
dark humor before the season starts.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Here, Evan have some fun.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, we I think we do. We do. Evan is here.
Evan will be a part of the show from you know,
from as often as he can be from start to finish, Uh,
to provide the news aspect and obviously provide you know,
insight as to where this team has gone, what it
did it practice, Uh, you know, his observations and such.
But I feel like I got to share, you know,

(02:03):
number one, the last email we just got. The subject
line is I tire of this show.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
This is definitely not about this show. I think everybody
loves this show.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I think it's more referral to PU, but that's just
I don't know, if you tire of this show. You
can say that it won't offend me. Then there's another
one complaining about some somebody being racist in a YouTube chat. Uh,
And then there's another. Oh, here's a good one. You'll
love this. Hi, guys, I have a question. If the
Patriots lose all their team members in a bus crash

(02:35):
or a plane crash, well there'll be time for a
draft to pick new players.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
Okay, just full disclosure, I am on that plane. So
this one.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
The team obituary you're gonna be and others it hits.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
A little John.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
All right, let's not joke about this as it is
like I have grown up to flying. When I was
a kid, I was a nervous fire.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah were you really?

Speaker 6 (03:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:03):
But now I fly so much for work that I've
I've put my bag boy pants on. I'm like, all right, Okay,
you're gonna be fine, right, Yeah, So let's not put
those ideas in my head.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay, no, like three days before I'm about to get
on all.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Right, then then we'll stop it right here. But I'm
just I just those are three of the first four
emails that I've got the in the hopper, and I'm like,
what the hell are we doing here. It's this is
the football season. It's it's everybody's O. And oh, I
realized that there aren't uh great expectation. Let's put it
that way for this team that we probably are still
continuing to sink lower before you begin the ascension back

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up the ladder. And the one that kind of nailed
me upside of the head. It depressed me, and then
it also encouraged me at the same time, was you know,
the one and only Pro Football Talk and Mike Florio
and in his Power ratings he has the Patriots thirty
first out of thirty two teams.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Yeah, yeah, Look, it's always darkest before the dawn, right,
That's that's the saying. And maybe we're in that that
darkness right now. But I will say this, and I
feel like we in this town and around this town,
there's so much negativity around this football team right now.
And I totally understand. And I'm not trying to be

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good team employee here and then try to sell you
guys on something that isn't going to happen, but.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
To me, you're own O.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
Like, let's see what this team looks like in a
regular season football game before we bury them. Do I
think that they're gonna it's gonna be two thousand and
one and they're gonna go on a Super Bowl run
and it's gonna be No, No, of course not. But
at the end of the day, predictions or predictions like
you know, ragging them thirty first ahead of the season,
saying they're gonna win four games ahead of the season
last year. You know, they are teams that made the playoffs,

(04:45):
that came out of the woodwork, that weren't expected to
be preseason favorites. That it happens every year. Somebody always
goes from worse to first. Somebody always sneaks into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
They're gonna jump into that. When Russell Baxter joined us
in the second hour of the show, we always talk
about worse the first possibilities. Yes, something happens like that
every year every year.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
And I'm not saying it's gonna be the Patriots. I'm
just saying that I'm excited and more relieved that now
we can actually play some real games and see what
this team looks like on the field, because right now
it's all just everybody looking through.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
The season and you can't tell, and they're they're mostly
in you know, in shorts and shells, and it's just
you can't tell, you can't tell. I'm ready to, you know,
to have somebody smack some heads and let's let's see
what we got, all right. So coming up of the program,
we are going to jump into the Bengals preparation for
this Sunday. Ben Baby covers the Bengals for ESPN dot

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Com and Ben's gonna join us in ten minutes. We
will hear from the Jacoby Brissette presser. In the second
or toward the second hour of the show. In case
you want to stay here and continue with the conversation,
we'll hear from Jacoby some snippets from his news conference.
Then we're doing that for a couple of reason. Number One,
he is the starting quarter. Number two, see if he

(06:01):
has anything significant to say. Number Three, it might be
a short stay. Yeah, yeah, it might be a short stay.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
For him as the starter. Yeah yeah, it's definitely possible.
The one thing I'll say about this game, and you
know about Jacobe, is that he starts this season off
against a really familiar opponent for him and this coaching staff.
Basically for the offensive side of the ball. For alex
Van Pelton, that staff. This is a divisional game, Like

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they played the Bengals twice a year for four straight years.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
They ought to know this team as well as anybody,
which is why I think this. Look, I've got three
questions I'm going to toss out here in just a moment.
But yeah, at the same time, what was the last spread?

Speaker 6 (06:42):
Nine?

Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yeah, we're at seven and a half now. Because of
Jamar Chase's status, it changed.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, we just actually I just heard coming in that
he was a practice team. Yeah for the Bengals. Okay, fine,
shaves a point point to have it doesn't matter. So
seven and a half is that what we're saying right now?

Speaker 1 (06:58):
That was what it was as of last night when
I checked.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay, so seven and a half. I still think the
Patriots have a shot to cover that.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, I do too.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
There are a lot of trends that favor the Patriots
being competitive in this game. I mentioned Alex van Pelt's
history against the Cincinnati team The Bang. The Browns with
Van Pelt as the offensive coordinator were five and one
against Joe Burrow in the regular season during Kevin Stefanski's
current ongoing run, but the last four years Kevin Stefanski.

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Now Joe Burrow is healthy. That's different from past years
and Week ones where he's coming off injuries or had
limited issues in camp or whatever. But in Week ones,
Joe Burrow is one and three in his career. And
the Bengals in the month of September have notoriously been
slow starters.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
How about they are one in four in their last
five season openers at home.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
Yeah, so they're a team that likes to peak late.
You know, they sort of build up to it and
then they peak late, and then they go on these
playoff runs and that's how they've kind of done it.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
They're also one and four against the spread in their
season opener at home.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
If there's one time where the fluky things can happen,
where it is very crystal clear that the Bengals have
more roster talent than the Patriots, no one's gonna deny that.
And there's one week of the season where some crazy
stuff can happen. It's Week one, Week one, So that
if you want to look at this game now, with
all that being said, if the Patriots offense comes out

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next week or Sunday and scores thirty points and they
win an upset against the Bengals. I'm probably gonna come
on the show on next Tuesday and say.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Hang on, this might be an anomaly. You know, this
was a good, nice matchup.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Thirty points for the first six weeks might be an anomaly, right.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
But yeah, this is this is a nice matchup for
Van Pelt. He knew, he knew the defense, he knew
the scheme, he knew what he was going up against.
Let's see what it looks like against some unfamiliar opponents
before we overreact.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah. So, uh Ben joined us hear in about ten minutes,
and then Jacoby birth Said's news conference, and then Russell Baxter,
the one and only pro football guru himself, will join
us in four clock Eastern time, and we'll run through
the entire Week one of the NFL schedule, which will
also include the New England Patriots. In the meantime, I've
got three questions I want to toss out at you,
I want to twist them out at Evan, and I

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want everybody to take part here. So pick up the
phone and let's go eight five to five Pats five
hundred toll free eight five five Pats five hundred. You
can hit the email web radio at Patriots dot com
or hit me up on Twitter at x dot com,
whatever you prefer. At JR Broadcaster is the handle there.
But I like to go three questions every so and

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often because quite frankly, it's really not about wins and losses,
even though it is about wins and losses. Number One,
are you giving or taking the Pats plus? I have
it at plus nine, so let's shorten it. Let's go
to plus seven point five seven and a half against
the Bengals on Sunday. You take in or given the
seven and a half? That's number one. Number two, who's

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the most important player for the Patriots this season? Not
most valuable, not the best, most talented. Who's the most
important player in your estimation for the Patriots this season?
At number three? And I got this one from local
talk radio, but I thought it was a great question,
so I'm going to share it here with the Patriots
you know, based audience. All Right, what comes first this year?

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The Patriots get to four wins or Bailey Zappi throws
a touchdown for Kansas City, oh Man.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
That is a talk radio one.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
It is right, it is. But I said, you know what,
I kind of like that question, so I'm stealing it. Okay,
they steal our stuff all the time. Hell, Channel four
here in Boston stole my first down to name that
one of their stupid shows. Oh yeah, right. Did I
get any credit for it?

Speaker 7 (10:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Did I get any remuneration for it?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
No, that's the way the world works.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's fair game. It's fair game. At least said, hey,
you know what it's it's a it's a it's a
by product of talk radio.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah. So yeah, with number two, go.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
So the second question is just the most important player,
right I The obvious answer is Drake may right, and
whenever he gets on the field and all that kind
of stuff. But I'm gonna go with Ramandre because as
much as it might pain me that they want to
be this established to run you know, tough football team,
control the line of scrimmage schematically. Everything that they want

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to do offensively build off a productive run game. They
want to be able to run the ball. They want
to play action off the run game, and everything only
works if they have some semblance of a run game.
And if you combine their issues with the offensive line
with that you start to worry about the puzzle pieces

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fully fitting together. If for ma Andre has a good
year and he's running the ball well maybe like he
wasn't twenty twenty two, just to put like some parameters
on it, then everything else branch is sort of off
of that in this offensive system, and they should be
able to manufacture some yards that way, run the ball,
just kind of set up the play action plays and
make those plays down the field. If they're an offense

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that's in thirty eight and they have to spread the
field and they have to make plays and things, it's
gonna be a long year because I don't know if
they have the horses to be able to do that
sort of thing like the Bengals do. The Bengals spread
the field, are three receiver, their burrow and the gun
and let's play right, let's throw the ball out. The
Patriots are gonna have to dress it up. They're gonna
have to scheme it up. They're gonna have to be
more creative. And I feel like the run game it

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all starts there with Romandre.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Okay, I'll go, I'll give you mine. As we tackle
these topics and then we'll repeat them for a little
bit later, so that way we can get others to
contribute here to the unofficial polling. As the case may be.
Most important player this season to me isn't the most valuable.
We're not even one hundred percent sure he's going to
be a starter. But I would tell you, based on

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what we think we know right now, my most important
player is Jalen Polk And I'll tell you why. Just
the mere presence of a threat on offense could open
things up for a guy like ramondre Stevenson. Yeah, could
help a guy like Jacoby Brissett keep his starting job
for longer than four weeks, which give or take, is
about what we think he'll get in If the Patriots

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are one and three or zero and four, the door
is going to be opened up for a guy named
Drake Made to take over. I think we can all
probably admit to that. And you know, and if he
can truly beat his man regularly one on one, big
plays can happen. And the one thing this offense certainly
did not have last year was the ability to be explosive.

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If that explosiveness returns to the offense and helps set
up the other things like play action, like some other things.
Then to me, the Patriots can be competitive. I don't
know that they get to six seven, eight wins. I
don't know that that's possible, but I would tell you
that I think that they're in way more many games
than we're thinking right now that they may be.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, it's a good point.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
And I look at that play from Drake May to
Jalen Polk in the Washington preseason finale.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
And hold onto the ball.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Right there, that that's Jalen Polk. Like that.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
If you asked Elliott Wolfe on the day to you know,
after the draft and May put up one play on
the on the screen that you vision Drake May and
Jalen Polk running together.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, like this is the duo and this is what
we're gonna do.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
It would have been that play against Washington, Like that's
Drake May's bread and butter, it's Jalen Polk's bread and butter,
and the Mary's together. Like I said earlier about the
play action and the run game and everything branching off
of that. The the other part of that is that
it does invite a lot of one on one opportunities
for the receivers on the outside because teams will put

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that extra hat in the box. They'll play one safety
up top, and you should get some man coverage on
the outside. If Jalen Polk can be one of those
guys that can beat man coverage consistently, then they're gonna
be in better shape than we think they are. Regardless
of really who's under center, you know who's that quarterback.
It doesn't necessarily matter that.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Point, no question about it. All right, you want to
tackle the other two questions really quickly. All right, let's
go back to number one, giving or taking the patch
plus seven and a half against inn cinnat.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
So I just checked it, and because Chase is at practice,
we've moved back to eight and a half.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
So we're talking about between seven and nine?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Is between seven and all right? Well, then let's go
with what it is right now at showtime eight point five? Yeah, okay,
what are you taking or what are you giving?

Speaker 5 (15:23):
I'm taking the Bengals, but I'm taking the Patriots to cover. Okay,
I really do feel like this is a closer game.
In twenty twenty two, it was twenty two eighteen Bengals here,
and you know against the Patriots. Defense is changed, but
the scheme and everything is going to be more or
less the same from the Patriots and that side of
the ball. And then I mentioned earlier that Presett beat

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this Bengals team pretty handily in Cleveland a couple of
years ago. So I still think the Bengals win because
eventually the talent will just kind of wind out and
probably make more plays in the fourth quarter and like
that sort of thing. But I like the Patriots to
hang in there, all right.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
And the other question, which comes first, Pats to four
wins where Zappi throws a TD pass for Kansas City.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
I'm going past to four wins because I don't think
Bailey Zappi sees the field. It's not because I'm confident
in the Patriots. It's because I know that Bailey Zappi
is not playing.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
I know.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
And again I'm gonna give full credit of that one
to Scott Zolak and Mark Bertrand, but it was it
made me laugh when I heard it, and so I said,
I'm gonna steal that one from those guys today and
see what anybody else happens to think I would agree
with you on that one. I'm gonna go with the
Patriots to four wins before Zappi throws the TD, and
I'm also taking the pats and the points. I think

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I think Cincinnati wins the game, but I'm gonna take
the pass the points to make it interesting, largely because
Cincinnati has historically, as we talked about, struggle to at
least begin a season to that end. We're gonna jump
into the Bengals a little bit more. And Ben Baby,
who covers the Bengals for ESPN at ESPN dot com,
he joins us here in the playbook. Hey Ben, it's

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John and Evan here in Foxborough. How's it going?

Speaker 8 (16:56):
And it's good. I just want to say I love
the Bailey Zappi talk Texas guy covered high school ball.
I don't think people understand how ridiculous it is that
a guy who played his college ball at Houston Baptist
was getting NFL reps and playing in the league. So
I've enjoyed the same that it hasn't worked out any better,
but I think the fact that he even did what
he did, I am still flabbergasted by Ben.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I tell you that, you know, I'm in agreement with
you there because here's a guy who was four and
four as a starter here in New England and he
had to fall on the sword for lack of a
better phrase, over what happened over mac Jones and everything
else here in the recent pass and I think he
did a representative job. It's just unfortunate that he was
a part of a regime that was kind of ushered

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out the door so they could kind of flip the
page in a lot of things, and I just don't
think it was the right place, right time for him here.

Speaker 8 (17:45):
Yeah, you know, it's part of being in the league,
but you know, I think, you know, it goes to
show how hard it is to make it. And you know,
we'll see what we see here on Sunday. Obviously, the
Bengals know it's going to be a new regime, which
Rod Mayo. And it's interesting in talking to the guys.
You know, the Bengals their big favorite point into this game.
They've got Kansas City in Week two. But you know,
I talked to bj Hill, their defensive tackle last week,

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and they understand that they still cannot take the papers rightly.
Given what the teams look like on paper and given
all the fluidity with this team, they understand that they've
got to be locked in otherwise you know, they'd be
staring down the barrel of OH one if they don't,
you know, do what they need to do on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
All right, let's let's start right at the top of
the list. And Jamar Chase was at practice today. As
my understanding, what's his latest status or at least that
you can share with us.

Speaker 8 (18:32):
Yeah, you know, right now, we saw him out there
and during individual drills. They are currently in practice right now.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
They'll wrap up here in.

Speaker 8 (18:39):
About twenty minute and we'll speak to Joe Burrow and
see how Smar looked. And you know, the whole time,
throughout all of this, it's been a very fluid situation,
and so you know, to be honest, I was not
expecting Jamal to be out there today. I think that
caught a lot of a soft guard and they've kind
of kept the window open for him to be out there,
and they've kind of tried to maintain that relationship as

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best as possible will amid the contract dispute. And I
think it speaks for alumes that you know, he's practicing
right now given where things have stood all summer because
he did not participate in training camp and then as
suit as the Bengals said that they thought he'd practiced
for an entire week. He immediately shut it down, So,
you know, I think for him, we'll see how this
continues to play out through the week, But as of now,
this is definitely trending better than it was even twelve hours.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
And I was just going to say, I mean, clearly
without you know, a ton of you know, organized, you know,
practice and things that he's had over the course of
the year, I mean, how much will how much can
rust play a factor here early as to his effectiveness?
I mean, you know him is perhaps as well as
anybody there, and I'm just kind of curious what your
viewpoint might be on Jamar basically coming in cold.

Speaker 8 (19:44):
You know, they haven't really said there hasn't been any
indication that I've gotten that they're concerned about that. I
think with how much he's worked over the course of
the offseason, the kind of shape he's been in, Zach
Taylor's been adamant about that. We asked the Bengals new
offensive coordinator, Damn Picture about that, and he indicated that
there was no threshold that they needed him to or
this week and order for them to feel good. Abou

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putting them out there on the field. They said, they're
just going to take it, you know, day by day
and see as it goes. And and for how well
tomorrow has been. You know, even though he has been practicing,
has been involved, you know, in meetings, been attentive, been
out there on the field throughout much of traming camp,
just basically being an expert coach. All of those things
do play a part. And you know, he's obviously keeping

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himself in shape should he need to be out there.
So I don't think that there's a concern right now
about any rust, but obviously that might change because you know,
being a physical shape and game shape those are two
different things.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Where do you feel like the major question marks are
for this team? I know they they're you know, they
don't seem to be, at least to the untrained eye,
you know, terribly far away from being that championship level
caliber team again, because we know they've got talent up
and down this roster. What's the biggest need and what
do Bengals fans expect of this team, at least initially?

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What what what's the what's the expectation?

Speaker 8 (21:01):
You know, I think looking at their schedule, this team
can be, you know, an eleven twelve win team. You
know they're going to be playing a last play schedule,
They're going to have a healthy Joe Burrow back. Your
defense should be significantly improved from what it was a
year ago, especially when you look at the additions of
safety Von Bell who came back, and Sheldon Rankins, who
should get them interior push at the defensive tackle. I
think the big question mark is how good are they

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going to be against the run is something that they
struggle with. And they lost their best defensive tackle and
DJ leader and turns of stopping the run, and they
swapped them out and Rankins, who's known more for his
pass rushing ability. But I think the fact that the
addition of Vron Bell getting him back, I mean it
was at the point when Carolina released him after his
one season there, Joe Burrow immediately texted him and said, hey,

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coming back here. Because Burrow knew how much he meant
and everybody in that on that defensive side of the
ball talk about how much the communication has improved. And
even when it comes to things like like fit in
one gap, you know the backers aren't much better positioned
because the communication is much better with Bell in there,
so this team can definitely go out and be better
than it was a year ago. And you know, I

(22:06):
think the big question could be how does Joe Burrow
look coming off that wrist injury. Everybody internally feels pretty
good about where he's at, and so we'll continue to
monitor that. But I think there's going to be you know,
we talked about rush with Jabarr. I think the rush
for Joe and then when he gets hit for the
first time, that's going to really be interesting to see
how he handles that and how he proceeds, because that's
one thing that's left and left unchecked throughout his recovery testing.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Ben, I wanted to ask you about about Burrow because
we were just talking about some of the week one
trends for this team. But he's always been coming off
of like camp injuries and things like that, another risk
is still kind of a question mark. But he's been
healthy this time around, right, and that's kind of a
different vibe there.

Speaker 8 (22:46):
Yeah, you know, and every time I've checked in with
him throughout of course the Austin's and he's always indicated
that the risk feels good. He feels like he's been
throwing the ball well and so, and the coaching staff
has talked about that today as well. You know, we
just spoke to the pitcher a little while ago and
he said, it's nice to not have to worry about
any physical ailments that are that are preventing Burrough from
being at full capacity, and they can just focus on

(23:08):
beating the Patriots, which is hard enough what he said.
So I think that there is that understanding that now
this is the best he's felt, probably in quite some time.
But we'll continue to see how he looks. Can he
push the ball downfield, how does he how does he
handle when the pocket collapses? Those are all things and
I think you just don't know it still, get to
gave me.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
Yeah, And with Pitcher, do you expect any real schematic
tweaks or anything. I know it's kind of Zach Taylor's offense,
but do you expect any sort of twists now that
they have a new offensive coordinator?

Speaker 8 (23:39):
You know, I think one of the more outstanding questions
I have is that you know, how what personnel wise
are they going to maybe to lean into more two
tight end packages. And that's the sense when you look
at it that they seem to want to do that
a little bit more. Are they going to be under
center a little bit more?

Speaker 9 (23:54):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (23:54):
You know, they brought in Justin Roscotti as their past
game coordinator and one of the big things that was
talked to was that he'd helped marry the run in
the past game up well, So that way they look
similar enough that you can keep a defense off balance
and you can probably be more multiple than they've been.
And so I think all of those things are going
to be schematic things to watch. And then the other
thing is that running back. But they do not have

(24:16):
a guy who is going to be basically only slotted
in for first and back and down like Joe Mixon was,
And so you're going to see Zach Moss and Chase
Brown maybe split those reps and they'll be more versatile
in the backfield, which should help them and keep defense
from keying in on them, which I think something they've
had an issue with over the years.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Notice that when you said, you know, but the possibility
of a two tight end, you know, set or more
formation a little bit more often there's a former Patriot
a tight end that could figure into that and might
get sicky and there's a couple ex pats on the
offensive line as well. Trent Brown's there, Ted Karrish is there,
who's starting at center. How are those guys kind of
fitting into the equation And it looks to me like
they've got pretty important roles.

Speaker 8 (24:56):
Yeah, well they definitely do. You know, get Sicky he's
going to be that number two tight end, maybe the
number one time end, depending on the package that they
put out there. But Trent Brown, he's been the guy
who is kind of surprising as to how well he's done.
You know, he'll be starting at right tackle of with
Emeritus Nims, their first round pick this year, still recovering
from an injury. Hadn't them stayed healthy, he probably would

(25:16):
have been the Week one starter. But so far, everybody's
been impressed with Brown. They feel like he's in good
game shape and they feel like he's going to be
a good presence for them for the time being. And
we'll see if that changes. But I think for them
it underscored how important was to go get better depth
at tackle. It gave not only the flexibility in the
draft to go get mam sport if another player tells

(25:37):
to them where they were at, but now with mam
stuffering a believes train peck tour, if I remember correctly,
you know now it gives them the freedom to work
him in and not rush him back. And we saw
him in jersey and uniform to day at practice, and
so you know, we'll see how long Trent Brown's going
to be the starter, but he at least get a
crack at a swarmer club on Sunday before I let.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
You go, because I know you've got to get to
practice yourself with some interviews. But if you were working
against the Bengals defense, what area of that team would
you attack? Would you attack them on the ground, would
you go through the air? Short game, long game? Where
do you think they're vulnerable?

Speaker 8 (26:13):
Yeah, I think you want to try to test that
run defense. And see you again. If I'm the Patriots,
I want to shorten this game as much as possible.
Go look at it. You know, if you can run
the clock, win that time. And as a native text
and I hate running the ball at a significant amount,
I hate running the clock. But in this case, you
got to be strategic about it, and I think that
that would be you know, the Patriots best playing to
success and then see if you can soften them up

(26:33):
on the ground and take your shots with seat balls
and see what Dax Hill looks like at outside corner.
He's a guy that moved from free safety in a
very tight battle in training camp to be that starting
outside corner opposite can't il Britt. I would test him
early and see what you can get. But I think
that's going to be New England's best chance to move
the ball and get points offensively.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Now, you're certainly a Texan of a certain age because
maybe your generation like to wing the ball. See my generation,
because I'm a Texan was age as well. I ran
the wishbone, so I like the running game.

Speaker 8 (27:04):
Yeah. See the thing is we don't have tight ends
anymore inbrush. So that's how that.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
I got it.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Hey, Ben, appreciate the time today. Thanks man.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Thanks Ben, I appreciate all.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
You got it all right. That's Ben Baby at b
E N Underscore B A B Y Pretty easy, Yeah, Ben,
that's real easy. He covers the Bengals for ESPN dot
com and you can follow him this week to get
any kind of pregame stuff. I thought it was interesting that, honestly,
and I think even more of a reason to think that,
you know, the Patriots might hang here at least for
a little bit. Again, not saying they're going to win

(27:35):
the game. I don't think they will. But that's the
Achilles heel right now. Is the Bengals run defense, and
so the Patriots, we know, and Gerard has said this,
they want to try to establish the ground game. They
want to run the football. They want to make the game,
you know, not only easier for Jacoby or whoever, but
they want to shorten the game. And I think that's
the perfect scenario here for the week. If the Patriots

(27:57):
can keep from self inflicted wounds and hopefully some of
those you know, ten offensive line penalties from Washington don't
rub over over a couple of weeks, and then hold
out to the football, you might have a game with
a chance to steal something in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
I really felt like that when I watched the Bengals
game against the Browns a couple of years ago. The
Browns around the ball forty four times in that game. Now,
some of it was late, you know, up big and
they kind of were running out the clock late in
the fourth quarter, but still it was a big part
of what they did in that game, and they were
able to expose the Bengals run defense a little bit.
And you feel like a lot of these teams, these contenders,

(28:34):
like the Bengals, they're built to stop the pass because
they know they're gonna go in the playoffs and they're
gonna go up against Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson and
Josh Allen and all these great quarterbacks. So they're worried
more about when we get into the AFC Championship game,
are we going to be able to stop Mahomes, right,
and that not so much worried about the running game
of the Kansas City Chiefs. So that's how these teams

(28:57):
are built. And if you're a team like the Patriots,
where you just have to look for it and then
possibly expose a weakness, that would be it. I thought
he mentioned and this was something that dawned on me
when I was looking at their depth charts and things
like that. No more DJ Reader in the middle of
that defense. He's a really effective player, probably their best
run defender over the last couple of years. So that's

(29:17):
the part where you want to see the Patriots maybe
try to expose it and we'll see what happens. But yeah,
forty four rushes for I think like one hundred and
seventy yards in that game a couple of years ago
for the Browns. So they have the ability to run
the ball.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
I think you'll see the Patriots game plan probably have
quite a bit of that. Now, the question is can
this Patriots offensive line open holds up for guys like
Stevens run.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Through Yeah, I mean looked.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
I think That's why I brought up Ramandre earlier in
the show, because it's it's the biggest question mark to me,
is gid Meo talking this morning about controlling the line
of scrimmage? Can they even do that? You know, if
you're gonna run the ball as much as we want to,
you know, to make it about the backs and Chubb
and Remandre and you know, all these big name free
agent to see football guys. Really, at the end of

(30:02):
the day, the Browns are able to run the ball
a couple of years ago because they had a good
offensive line and the Patriots don't. And that's why to me,
it's the most important element. It's the wild card of
this season offensively, because everything does get easier in this system,
in particular, if you do have a threat of a
running game.

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(30:43):
questions again. If you're just tuned in or you just
jumped on late here on the website that we want
you to kind of address, I'm not looking so if
you want to offer a score prediction, and those of
you that have followed the show and listen to it
for a long time, yeah, we always used to take
score predictions, and just it almost seems a little so
perflo is right now until we can establish what kind
of a team and what kind of a regime this

(31:05):
is really going to be, you know, in Patriots, shall
we say two point zero? But I got three questions
that I do want you to answer, and I think
could very well with an accurate answer. Provide some real
insight is to you know, the performance for this team
this year, because that's what we're all looking for right now.
We're all looking for some kind of an answer as
to what kind of a team this is going to be.

(31:26):
Number One, are you giving or taking the Pats plus
eight and a half against Cincinnati this Sunday? All right?
That's number one. Number two. Who's the most important player
on the roster for New England this season? Not most valuable,
not most athletic, not fastest, not slowest, not strongest, the
most important player in your estimation for the Patriots this

(31:50):
season at number three, which comes first the Patriots to
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(32:11):
I've got something that I'll get to here. And you
can also uh you know, tweet out, post your your
your comments on Twitter. I'm at JR broadcaster. That's the
follow here. You want to take a couple of questions,
and let's start with Patty and Aga on pat he Yo,
what's up.

Speaker 10 (32:26):
Baby, what's up? John, It's finally here.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I'm glad it is. I'm glad it is. I was
kind of dreading this day, to be quite honestly, I
was talking about this with Evan before we did the
start of the show today. I'm kind of like, I
can't remember a season in recent memory where I really
just I'm not looking forward to football. It's because we're
anticipating the worst. So I've I've really struggled trying to

(32:52):
come up with the positivity here that I think we
all need to kind of embrace here and let's see
what this team might be able to do. Look, they
might go four and thirteen again, they might go to
and fifty. We don't know. We don't know. But here's
the thing. I'm okay with four and thirteen again. If
I see competitiveness, if I see games decided by one

(33:12):
score or one possession, or one mistake here or there,
or I'm okay with that because then I think I
can see that we're laying that the team is laying
a foundation of some kind here where. Hopefully with the
extra cap space they have for next year. Shout out
to cap space, you know you can build on this right, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
What do you think, Patty and I want to see

(33:35):
progress too, well, of course we all want to see progress. Yeah, absolutely,
So I'll go in reverse order with the questions.

Speaker 10 (33:44):
I'm not sure either is going to happen this year,
but if I had to pick one, I'll pick the
Patriots win four games before Bailey's appy throws for a
touchdown pass. The second second question was who's the most
important player on the Patriots this year?

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Correct?

Speaker 10 (33:57):
Yeah, all right, so Evan stole my answer, my first answer,
and then you stole my second answer.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Come on, but they were both offensive, right, or I
should say.

Speaker 10 (34:07):
They're both offensive guys.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, they're both offensive guys.

Speaker 10 (34:09):
Right, Okay, but you know what I'll go on. I
think if I think if Gonzales plays like we all
think he can play, and he can be that lockdown
number one corner, that will at least take maybe a
little bit of pressure off them trying trying to rush
the passer or get sacks, and it'll probably allow them
to play the defense that you know, Covington and Mayo

(34:31):
have been running for the past few years since they've
been assistant coaches with the Patriots. Those two guys stole
my first two A. I'll go with Christian Gonzalez.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I think that's a that's a good pick, you know,
if you really believe strongly it's one of those first
two guys we talked about. That's fine, you can jump
on that bandwagon. Got no issue with that, because again,
I think everybody's point of view is going to be
somewhat different. But then again, it's it's all going to
be same because we know how much this team has
to go to get back up to where they've been
accustomed to being over the last you know, two decades

(35:01):
plus now, and even last year as this team struggled
with you know, four and thirteen, we knew it was
going to be a long road back this year, especially
when all the changes happened. And then on top of that,
let's add let's let's add a little bit more misery
to the heap and really attack the offensive line at
all in the off season. And I know they said, well,
the guys we are looking for YadA, YadA, whatever. Look,

(35:22):
if you can't protect your assets, and by that I
mean Drake May, why are you taking an asset like
Drake May. I realize it's a little like putting the
cart before the horse. But I exactly that's what we're
doing here. We are putting we're at least putting a
cart in front of the horse at quarterback, and they
didn't really take advantage of that. Now, I actually was

(35:44):
very intrigued by the move this week they made to
the practice squad of the kid that's six foot nine
from Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Oh yeah, they just signed to the practice squad.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah they Yeah, he is. He is a Trent Brown
twin in terms of his size. I don't know about
anything about his ability because he was only he only
played one year and the last year of the Packers
he only played I think a couple of games, so
I'm not really certain. But I'm intrigued by that side
to the point where, hell, anything's better than a swinging gate.
And that's kind of what we've seen. It's some over

(36:13):
on the left side. So let's Caleb Caleb Jones, thank
you so yeah so, But I saw a picture of
him in a parade. Someone put this out on social
media earlier and you might be able to find it.
There was a parade that he was in, I guess
a title town area of parade and he's walking behind
another packer who's on a bicycle with a little kid.

(36:34):
And oh my god, there's a huge shadow being cast
over everybody there. I mean, this guy is this guy
is huge, and so you know, like Al McGuire used
to say about basketball, it's you can't coach heights. Yeah,
and I'd like to see if this guy's got any
ability at all. And and frankly, if there's a swinging gate,
it should be on, you know, coming from the sideline

(36:56):
and allowing different guys to open that door and play
that position until they find someone who can play it.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
Caleb Jones, I just saw him in the locker room
for the first time. He's not quite as uh I
say as politely, He's not quite as wide as Trent Brown,
but similar type of size, like in terms of height
and just I'm sure size of human.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
We'll see how that looks.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
I Venerian Lowe has not been practicing much last couple
of weeks. He had the oblique and he's he's been
on the on the you know, the comeback there with
an injury.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
But I actually thought that he was fine.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
Like I know, people don't They all get it mad
when I say that he hasn't been terrible, right, hasn't
been terrible.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Let me put it to you that way. I think
that's the best way to put it.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I got to disagree with you. I just I have
to disagree with you. I think the fact that they
have you know, Venerian low and with all due respect,
because he seems like a nice and of guy, I
just he can't play the position. He can't do what
they need him to do.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Like based off of what though? Like what what was it?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
He gets whipped at the point of attack.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
So he got beat on a sack where the running
back chipped. He didn't anticipate the chip and he gets beat.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
So you got to have this thought.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
But that was that was two and a half quarters
into the game. Like I understand it. I just feel like,
you know, as somebody that watches every single play again,
you know, like you you start to with play people
like offensive you realize that sometimes you get beat on
the offensive line like that, it's just gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's not one hundred percent fool proof. I understand that,
good lord. I used to, I mean, believe it or not,
When I was a little fat kid, I played offensive line.
I didn't play it very long, that's for sure. But
I but I understand you know what the object is
to do there, And you know, first of all, you
got to be a lot smarter than people give you
credit for. That's number one, because there are a lot
of different reads and a lot of different things that
you can do. There are a lot of techniques I

(38:48):
think that offensive linemen can use with their arms and
their hands, especially nowadays as the sport has gotten more
modernized and plays with you know, five wides and things
like that that I'm not sure yet that I I
wouldn't know how to do it. But I'm just telling
you I don't see the variance in some of the things.
At number three. If he's so worried about protecting the

(39:08):
blind side of his quarterback, can he block straight ahead
or can he create a crease for running back to
get through. I mean, we've talked. We know that the
Patriots want to at least we think we know at
this stage, want to emphasize a little more zone running
this year, as opposed to other previous years when it's
basically been straight ahead and you know, and get creases

(39:29):
and let the ring bakes go. But this will be
more like what the Broncos have done for years and
trying to create zones and lanes, and unless you're able
to hold your block or you know, or get in
the way of somebody to keep that zone open, your
guys gonna get flattened. I just don't have the utmost
confidence in that.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Look, I'm not trying to tell you if Darien knows
Joe Thomas right, like, he's not a great option, but
out of the options that they have, which again are
not great, I think he's been the best out of
all of them at that position. Like Chukes is probably
a better right tackle than he is a left tackle.
The hope is is that Vederian Lowe is that at

(40:07):
least can tread water until a guy like Hayden Wallace
most likely is ready. Now to Patty's other point, because
I know I defend Vederian low Everybody says, how can
he defend that?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Bum YadA, YadA, YadA.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
I'm just trying to tell you that they don't have
very many good options right and out of the s
sandwich that they currently have at that position, he's the
one that tastes the best. Like, that's all I'm trying
to tell you, Okay, I'm not trying to sit here
and tell you that that he's you know, Anthony Munos, Okay,
Like I'm not trying to sit here and say I

(40:41):
get it, but he's he's what they got. He's got
what they got right, And uh, just this point about
Christian Gonzales and then I have to go to Jacoby
Brisset's press commerce here in a minute. But I think
it's a really good point because based off of the
things that we've heard from Mayo and Covington, I do
think they want to be more aggressive than they have

(41:01):
been the last couple of years on defense, mainly because
last year the turnovers dried up. They were playing a
lot of soft zone coverage, four man rush, that kind
of thing, and they weren't turning the ball over a
ton defensively.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
If you don't have a great.

Speaker 10 (41:14):
Offense, kudos to you on you today too, picking shoot
because you your week one like most important player. I
thought that was a really good text.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
And they'll start him at left tackle, won't they.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
Yes, So he's gonna start, Yeah, because venderreen Low is
not going to be healthy, so he's going to start left.
But just to go back to Gonzo real quick. They
want to be more aggressive on the defensive side of
the ball. They don't want to be this you know,
we're gonna sit back and soft zone and Ben don't
break like they have to. They have to turn the
ball over and set the offense up on shorter fields
like and I feel like they know that. So in

(41:47):
order to do that, you are not going to be
able to have seven guys in the back end all
the time. You're not going to be able to drop
seven guys into coverage all the time. So Gonzo's got
to be Stefan gilmour lte and he's got to be
able to take a T. Higgins one on one for
the entire game, or take you know, next week DK
Metcalf for an entire game. Because if they have to

(42:09):
start committing more resources to the back end because they
can't cover, then then you don't have a pass rush, right.
So that's a big thing for them defensively this year.
If I had to say, you know, we have all
this great data of all the teams that the Patriots
have had over the years, like go back to like
the eighteen nineteen Patriots. You know where they were really aggressive,

(42:30):
and they came after quarterbacks and they're running amba defenses
and cover zeros and like all this.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Kind of stuff. You get to it. I'd love to
see it again.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
The catch is that they had defensive Player of the
Year Stefan Gilmore. Yeah, and they had other really good
corners behind him too that could cover man to man
down the field. If Gonzales can be that, if Jonathan
Jones can be that, if Marcus Jones can be that,
and maybe they can get back to that and start
dictating terms to offenses versus just kind of don't burn us, right.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah, Can I tell you that maybe another candidate for
Most Important Player might be Christian Barmore.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, he was in the locker room today. It was
good to see him.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
His first time that I've seen him in person since
the blood clots situation.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
I came up and.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
He's in good spirits, but he's frustrated, you can tell,
you know. He's he's pissed off that he's not able
to be on there. Yeah, Okay, so I gotta get going.
But on that note, uh Vederian Low is not terrible. Okay,
I'm not saying he's good. I'm just saying he's not awful. Okay,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
I'm sorry. Put me to sleep on that one.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
All right, Doren, I'll give you go.

Speaker 10 (43:41):
I'll give you the answer the last question, and I'll
get off the line so you can grab someone else.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
No worries, Patty, No worries you all day, baby, you
all day.

Speaker 10 (43:50):
I'll take the points. I'll take him out, right, Patriots
win twenty three to twenty one.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
And you know, well, I'm I will call you out.
I will definitely call you out on next week show
if that happens, right, Okay.

Speaker 10 (44:02):
Yeah, And I feel like we're gonna go. We're gonna
get a little bit of fool's gold because I don't
want to say like I kind of put the bug
in Evan's deer, but I kind of put the bug
in Evan and Alex's ear. About when the schedule first
came out, I said, you know, Week one is sneaky
winnable because the males and the Joe Burrow where it

(44:24):
do not start out good yep, regardless of whether he's
healthy or not. And the one offense that's given this
the Cincinnati team a lot of problems has been the
offensive style that we're going to be running this year,
so we'll see what happens. That being said, I'm always
excited started the season with football, how good or how
crappy I think my team's going to be, and I'll

(44:46):
do my best to watch every down, you know, but
I'm excited regardless.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Wait wait, wait, so you mean there will be downs
that you know are going to be impending doom and
you you look away from the television set. Is that
what you do?

Speaker 10 (45:00):
No, I'm usually I'm usually cooking or like my my
two little girls, my twins, my youngest kids will usually
like come in and say, why are you watching football?

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Dad?

Speaker 10 (45:11):
It's so boring, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Guess so, but what's on the menu? What's on the menu?

Speaker 10 (45:16):
Though, I'm not sure what I'm making this week, but
usually it's like once the weather gets cooler, it's like
chili's soup stews. Yeah, I do it up, John, I
do up breakfast every Sunday during the football season, and
I usually make a nice dinner every nice in the
football season too.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
All right, Mariene and I are coming over.

Speaker 10 (45:35):
All right, you got it. You guys got the invite,
both of y'all.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Thanks Patty, appreciate your brother all right, Patty and aguwam
eight five five Pats five hundred. Yeah. We mentioned earlier
in the show that the Bengals have lost four of
their last five home openers home season openers, and they've
also failed to cover four of their last five seasonal
home openers. So yeah, slow starts are in the Cincinnati

(46:02):
Bengal DNA. Now that was you know before. Now, what
does this team do differently? Just like we don't know
yet what the Patriots will do differently, but I can
tell you that there is an opportunity there, okay, for
the Patriots to not only keep this close, but to
make something happen for themselves and maybe for the team

(46:23):
and cause a few eyebrows to be raised across the NFL.
I absolutely was floored when I saw that, you know,
PFT had the Patriots rated thirty first out of thirty
two teams. I never thought I would ever see that again.
And I know it's PFT, okay, but I respect Mike
Florio because you're talking about somebody who definitely is you know,

(46:46):
worked it from the ground up, and you don't have
to agree with him to appreciate, you know, what he's
been able to. You know, create for himself. But I
just I thought we were by those days. I thought
we were by that time and that era. And you know,
we talked a little about this last week, you know,
whether or not. You know, I was talking about how

(47:06):
I'd heard on a local talk show here as long
as we're brought in a local talk radio to the
equation today that someone asked the question whether or not
we had returned to the pre Bill Parcells era, and
I'm like, well, no, no, there's no way that they've
done that, because the pre Bill Barcells era didn't have

(47:27):
the history that it could fall back on to be
proud of. You're talking about a franchise now that has
six super Bowl championships and there's only one other team
in the entire NFL that has that many, and that's Pittsburgh.
So the Patriots have an extraordinary history, especially we consider
it's all come about over the last you know, twenty

(47:48):
eight to twenty four years, and that's why we often
referred and for those that are listening or you know,
your fans of other teams, Look, this isn't a pat
yourself on the back. This is an acknowledgment that what
the Patriots accomplished over twenty plus years just might not
be accomplished again in your lifetime or my lifetime or
anybody else's lifetime, just because of the way that the

(48:10):
sport has evolved and is still evolving. I mean, give
that some thought. We're moving very quickly. Now we're already
with seventeen game regular season. Do you think somebody conceivably
could go twenty and oh? Right, you'd have to go seventeen.
I mean, you know when the Patriots went sixteen and

(48:31):
oh and then won a couple of playoff games and
then lost to the Giants of the Super Bowl, Right,
so they were trying to go nineteen and oh they
didn't make it. But now you've got to go twenty
and oh if you're gonna run the perfect table. I
honestly believe there are a lot of records that are
out there that you would consider unbreakable. This is a
great water cooler discussion, right, this is a great debate,

(48:52):
you know, and so entertain this one. But what is
an unbreakable record? Joe Demasius six game hitting streak in baseball? Right, Well,
I'll put this one right up there. An NFL team
going twenty and oh, it ain't happening. It's not gonna happen,
just like you know, the hitting streak and probably Barry

(49:16):
Bond's home run in a record, even though we know
that was somewhat, you know, chemically fueled. I just I
don't see anybody going twenty oh. I don't. I don't.
I think it'd be too hard. I think the season's
too long. I think there's too much parody in the league.
I just don't think it happens. I don't think it happens.
The Patriots got as close as anybody's gonna get. My thoughts,

(49:41):
is there another unbreakable out there? Hey, I'd love to
hear from it. Eight five to five Pats five hundred
still have three questions to answer. Are you giving or
taking the Pats an eight and a half against Cincinnati
this Sunday. Who's the most important player on the Patriots
roster this season, active or otherwise? Which comes first, Patriots

(50:01):
get the four wins or Bailey's app he throws a
touchdown for Kansas City. Here's our boy Todd in North Carolina. Todd,
good to hear from you, my friend.

Speaker 7 (50:10):
I haven't heard from me a long time. John.

Speaker 8 (50:11):
It's good to hear from it.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
I'm I didn't do that. I did not do that.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
He just I'm not even messing with Todd either.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I did not do that.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah, Todd, we didn't do that. I didn't. I My
hands are off the buttons, so I don't know if
he just hit a button or lost the feed or
I'm very sorry, Todd. I'm very very sorry that that
that transpired. If you call right back, well, we'll get
you right back on. It's very very simple. But it
was actually good to hear from Tom.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Will we wait for Todd. I have the snippets opened
up if you want to play one or two.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, okay, So I mentioned off the top, this is
a great idea. So I mentioned off the top of
the show that you know, Marine has been very creative,
you know, in the recent off season, trying to come
up with, you know, some modern stuff with lyric and
music and you know, rock and country and western and
maybe a little wrap thrown in, and we're trying to
we're trying to speak to the people, right and that

(51:08):
what we're trying to do.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
That's what we're trying to do.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
We're trying to speak to the people. So he has
been extraordinarily creative in these show opens. For lack of
a better phrase, it's the first you know, opening tune
that you hear when we sign on with the playbook,
you know, every Wednesday now throughout the course of the
next you know, eighteen eighteen, twenty weeks, as long as
we're here. This is how we'll open the show. And
we want you to decide which one is your favorite.

(51:33):
We're gonna put them up online. You're gonna vote on Twitter, right,
you're gonna or X You're gonna place your vote. We're
gonna do you know, Twitter poll, and you're gonna get
a chance to vote on your favorite. I already know
what my favorite is. MS. Robin already knows what her
favorite is. But we want you to decide as well.
These are all gonna go live tonight at midnight Eastern time,
right correct, Okay, but we're gonna give you a little

(51:55):
sneak peek here, all right, roll it, Matt, so uh the.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Just FYI, these are just but I don't want to
release the full songs, and these are going to be
five to seven seconds each, got it?

Speaker 6 (52:03):
Go?

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Alright, yeah that was my Elvis one.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
That's your Elvis one. Okay, all right, so you got
an Elvis one. What's the next country?

Speaker 3 (52:20):
I can do the country next?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Okay, country go. That was not it's not a country.
That sounds pretty uh oh damn good stuff right now.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Can't give you all the good stuff now.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Okay, all right, all right, all right? What's next?

Speaker 6 (52:45):
Then?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Was that a little rhythmics?

Speaker 11 (52:47):
I heard?

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Was that a little rock and roll?

Speaker 3 (52:49):
This one is the classic rock one?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Was pretty good? Classic rock roll? Patre, Yeah, that's I
kind of like that one.

Speaker 6 (53:03):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
That's pretty good. That's the one that made me laugh my.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
You do bring the heat.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I've never had a ballad saying about me and I
never will. Don't vote for that one because I won't
be able to stop laughing the first five minutes of
the show.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
You know, No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Oh that one's hysterical. Oh that one brought tears to
my first time I heard it. Robin said, I don't
like that one too much. As how many as that?
With a four? You have the other ones?

Speaker 3 (54:03):
This is the one I played before and stopped.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Uh, okay, well play the collegends forward. Okay, that's that's
that's passable. It's got a good beat, right, and.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
The last one was just uh. I always had to
throw a rap on it because you know, me.

Speaker 8 (54:22):
And rap.

Speaker 11 (54:24):
Stars the playbooks and it's so massirizing.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Gotta have fun.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
I think that. First of all, they're very clever.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I like all the genres. I think that's cool. So
you can vote for your favorite uh as of tonight
when they go live on Twitter. So make sure you're
followings Uh, what accounts are you putting them out on?

Speaker 3 (54:47):
I'll have it on my own. Maybe Patriots dot com
will tweet them out. I know you will tweet them
out as well.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, So, uh, make sure you're
following Uh. First of all, you gotta follow Marine. If
you're not, you need to be following Marine. You want
to give your Twitter handle again?

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Yeah, I gotta find a whole on it's uh, it's
it's QY two two eight nine, q Y two two.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Eight nine, Okay, So follow him at q Y two
two eight nine. Okay, that's number one. You can also
follow me at JR Broadcaster because I'll have those and
I'll retweet them out there again. Uh, and then clearly
you'd be following Patriots dot Com. Hopefully we'll get them
to you know, put those up as well. But uh
uh follow those accounts and we want you to vote.

(55:30):
And we're having some fun here with this thing, so
why not see if we can be a little bit creative,
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(56:13):
fivety five Pats five hundred The Questions of the Day,
still waiting for your comments, your thoughts, your criticisms. Aiden
in California John to answer the questions. The most important
player is David Andrews. We saw how it looks without
him in the lineup. The Patriots will get four wins

(56:35):
rather than Zapp. He throws a touchdown and the Pats
will cover and win. Outright, I believe we win twenty
eight twenty three. Call me delusional, but got a weird
inkling about this game. That's Aiden in California. I a
good email, Aiden, and I like your pick of David
Andrews because he is certainly, I think, the factor in
the middle of one of the key areas for this team,

(56:58):
the offensive line that has to be consistently good. He's
got to be the anchor, he has to be the leader.
He has to be the guy that everyone can lean on,
both literally and figuratively. And that's a good pick. That's
a really good pick, David Andrews. That goes along the
lines of what Evan was saying earlier about, you know,

(57:19):
he thinks that a guy like Stevenson might also be,
you know, the most important player for this team going
in and to this particular season twenty eight twenty three.
You know, I gotta admit, I'm I haven't had any
premonitions other than just an overall feel that I think
the Patriots make this more interesting than everybody's given them

(57:39):
credit for. It's hard for me to take them out right,
at least at this stage of the game, until we
actually see something, and based on what we've seen, what
we've seen thus far, it's it's hard. It's hard to
see a lot. But at the same time, I just

(58:01):
I think the Patriots have more talent than people have
given them credit for. They haven't seen anything, and traditionally
it's tough on a new staff. It's tough when you
have you know, you know, a new quarterback, you know,
a rookie backing them up. You know, it's tough when
you don't have explosiveness, you know, at the skill positions,
especially at wide receiver. And maybe they've drafted them, we

(58:22):
don't know yet, but until we see it, we don't know.
The Patriots defense is what we thought going in, had
a chance to keep this team in games again like
they did last year. And then, of course then they
lose Christian Barmore to the uh, you know, to the
blood clot problem that he's got, and so that's going
to really put the onus and a lot of a

(58:43):
lot of players to fill in that gap. And then
you trade Matt jude On away because of the contract issues,
you know, and and so you're arguably losing your two
best players. And then you know, even Christian Gonzales is
back at least, but you're arguably losing your two best
players on that side of the football as well. Which
doesn't sound to me like that's anything really positive going

(59:05):
for you going into the season again until we actually
see something. So that's what we're all kind of waiting on.
We need to see something. Nelson's in la hey Nelson
here in the playbook.

Speaker 7 (59:20):
Hey I were doing today.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I'm good Nelson for this week.

Speaker 7 (59:23):
We're gonna win twenty four the fourteen sat just all
the way, baby, put the court of the rookie in
and it's stop playing games. Stop playing games.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
So you want you want, you want made to play
right now?

Speaker 7 (59:34):
Yes, I'm playing with in.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Well, I listen.

Speaker 7 (59:38):
Already already said I already seen already seen another Loane.
We need we need, we need to see the rookie.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah, well, I think there will be a lot of
fans that would would would would agree with you.

Speaker 7 (59:49):
I mean, I don't want to say you're doing a
wonderful John Key's doing what you're doing. You know, I
always hear you man later on or between the season.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I appreciate you. Nelson, thank you. Hey, did you want
to answer those other question?

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:00:01):
Yeah, yeah, we've gonna win before that, after we get
the touchdown an okay?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
And then who's the most important player on the team
this year?

Speaker 7 (01:00:10):
This year? The most important is the runner back?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Okay, Remondre Stevenson. Okay, all right. Those are all really
good choices, and and I think there'll be again a
lot of people that would agree with you in that particular, uh,
that particular issue. How you doing out in California?

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Bro?

Speaker 7 (01:00:28):
Good? Good?

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Is it really okay?

Speaker 7 (01:00:31):
I was I'm in I'm working in the oil food
right now, though you know, we out here in the time,
but it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Wow, God bless you man. Stay safe out there, will.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
You you too?

Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
Sir?

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
All right? Nelson in Los Angeles, thank you? Or in
California at the very least out in the oil fields, man, now,
they've had all the they I know they've had all
the fires going out out in northern California. I know
this summer because I paid a visit to my sister
in law out in uh out in your Sacramento out
in Sacramento. Uh and uh they were a little bit
north of her, at least based on what I last heard.

(01:01:04):
I hope that things have settled somewhat. Maybe somebody can
give us an update on what's going out there. I
should have probably asked Nelson before I lost them, But
at any rate, Hey Claire in the UK, Hi, miss Claire,
Hey girl, Hey Jim, what's happening.

Speaker 7 (01:01:22):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:01:25):
We can sell it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah, I know, I'm glad. It's I'm glad it's here.
I know you are. I know you're glad it's here. Right.

Speaker 9 (01:01:30):
To be honest to you, I wouldn't have minded to
split any more of season just for a rest, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's time to play. I just
you know, but I got to admit the last couple
of days, you know, and I'm sitting here trying to think,
what do we want to really talk about today? Because
you know, people don't want to hear. I think fans
don't want to hear when their team stinks. They want
to hear how their team's going to win a game.
They want to hear who's going to develop. They want
to hear who's gonna play well. They want to hear

(01:02:00):
how you're gonna, you know, game plan or match up
with the opponent. They want to they want to hear
different things than really we were prepared to give them.
I think, and and and and I've softened on that
stands just a little bit because largely because I think
Cincinnati has a history is We've talked about a couple
of times already today, they have a history of starting slowly,
and so I think you gotta you gotta take that

(01:02:21):
with the fact that you know, hey, it's a new season.
We basically been watching you know, vanilla stuff, you know
on the field, you know, in the three preseason games,
and even that vanilla stuff wasn't very It wasn't very
It wasn't very pleasing. It wasn't exactly vanilla, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
So I just.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Vanilla is a good flavor. But I'm just saying it
wasn't very flavorful what we saw in the preseason. I mean,
even you can admit that. I mean, that's that's that's
uh yeah, I mean it was it was a little
it was you know, it was there was a there's
I don't know, it was a little too much dill.
I think in the in the mixture, you know, in
the preseason, a little bit bitter, a little bit sour,
you know, not quite sweet thing that we're looking for.

Speaker 9 (01:03:02):
We're ready for some chocolate sprinkle Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
That too, chocolate sprinkles on ice cream. Not until pictures cream, Yeah,
not until pictures that's gross. Yeah okay, but that that
that wee can that we can handle. So all right,
So uh are you taking or giving the past plus
nine or plus eight and a half against the Bengals?

Speaker 9 (01:03:25):
Well, I was my My prediction was gonna be Patriots
seventeen Bengals sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
So you're going all out and picking an out right
win like that's like two or three fans have done already. Okay,
so clearly that's a cover. Okay, all right, that's fine.
Most important player this season.

Speaker 9 (01:03:46):
This one's so difficult because I was listening to what
the people say't and Andrews one. I so agree with that,
but really, really key, yeah, boss, even if they don't
play Jakobe, even if Jacoba and you play for the
games and I find out then he seates, isn't he
maybe pivotal to drap my development? So even if he's

(01:04:07):
not on the field, couldn't he be one of the
most important players because he's helping Maw get more experience
in the background.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think so. It's kind
of like it's kind of like when I mentioned earlier
with Evan, I mentioned that the most important player could
be a guy like Christian Barmore only because he's not
in the lineup and largely they need his presence in
the lineup to be consistent, you know, against the run.

(01:04:35):
Now that maybe not giving enough credit to the guy
who are actually going to play out there. I can
make a case I think for a guy like Keon
White as well being most important I think for this
team because of two things. Number one, they've got to
put pressure in the quarterback, and number two, he's essentially
replacing Matthew Judon. In fact, I learned today that he
actually took over Judon's old locker. I don't know if

(01:04:57):
that's a yeah, I don't know if that's yeah. I
don't know if that's a premonition or what. But I'm like, WHOA,
that's significant. So I think there are gonna be a
lot of people that'll be looking to him to perform
and and to have that big next step for a
guy who's only in his second year as a pro.

Speaker 9 (01:05:14):
I think that's why it's such a difficult question, because
there were so many new parts, and there are so
many key parts in regards to the rebuild or the
development or whatever you want to call it of the
team that I think picking out one individual player particularly
right now. But then again, I'm not the most decisive
of people anyway, which as we know, because you always

(01:05:35):
tell me off for being on the fence, so we
know I'm not the most decisive of people.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Well, okay, but that's kind of why we like you, Claire,
So that's all right. We know you're a fan first,
and I think that's great because that's kind of what
you you purport to be. But you know, if we
got to if we got to put the you know,
the the prognostication hat on and and and figure it
out a little bit, then, in all honesty, you know,
trying to be impartial as much as you can be,

(01:06:05):
it's pretty easy to see where these two teams rosters
line up against each other, and it's kind of like, well,
I've heard of this guy, never heard of that guy,
heard of this guy, I never heard of that guy,
heard of this guy, And it's it's like that way
all the way through the roster. And and I mean
that usually isn't an accurate barometer of talent, but it
does indicate that if a guy's in there and he's
playing a lot, then yeah, he should have some ability.

(01:06:27):
And you're playing a bunch of guys that you know
have been around in the league and you haven't really
heard of much kind of answer you in question?

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
Right, Yeah, And.

Speaker 9 (01:06:36):
I'm going to go with a sneaky prediction that if
Hunter is out because of injury, particularly, I don't know
if Hoop is going to do really well they see them. Okay,
sneaky prediction.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Okay, what's your prediction now?

Speaker 9 (01:06:53):
Is going to do going to do well?

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Okay? All right? Gotcha? Okay, all right? Who have what happened? First?

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Patriots get to four winds or Zappi throws a TV.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Get to full wind?

Speaker 9 (01:07:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Come on, yeah, I know, I know. I just I
think that's honestly, I think that's a byproduct of the
largely negative Boston media. I mean I think we all know,
especially one radio station in particular, the flagship radio station
for this frenchise, which is kind of ironic, but they're
you know, they're they're just they're over the top negative.
And I realized that negativity sells around here. And I've

(01:07:27):
I've written about this, I've talked about it, I've opined
about it. You know, negativity cells here because of the
eighty six year drop between world series titles for the
Red Sox. Okay, and so it was. It was decades
and decades and decades of futility where people got used
to being hurt and then, you know, and then nineteen

(01:07:49):
eighty six happened when the ball rolled through Butckner's legs,
and it happened all over again, and it made it
even more painful. And so I think that's why negativity
still exists here. You can blame the old Red Sox
even though we've had an unprecedented run of success since
the turn of the century. Since the turn of the millennium,
it's we've had what twelve championships now right twelve. I

(01:08:11):
believe we've had twelve titles when you count the Patriots
with six, we've had the Celtics with two, We've had
the Red Sox with four, and the Bruins with one
thirteen thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Okay, I forgot the Soxs had four.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Yeah, yeah, no, the Socks had four. Right. It's easy
to forget sometimes because you know, we hammer those guys
all the time about you know, they're not doing this,
they're not doing that. But thirteen championships in this area
since two thousand and we're still so negative around here.
And I think now it's almost come full circle because
we're used in winning, and so it's kind of like, well, go.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Ahead, go ahead, the push to positivity.

Speaker 9 (01:08:50):
I mean, now we're in a rebuild, we can push
for positivity.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Well, I mean, look, I'm not even gonna I'm not
even gonna try to push for positivity. I'm going to
tell you that I'm going to call it as I
see it. If that is positive for somebody, great, for
somebody else, that might be negative. And that's that's the
goal here, because I want I want listeners, I want readers,
I want fans. I want you guys to make up

(01:09:16):
your own mind. I don't want you to decide that
you feel a certain way just because I said it,
or Evan Lazarre said it, or Paul Perrillo said it,
or Mike Dussau said it, or Fred Kurse said it.
I don't want you guys to, you know, think something
because those guys, us guys that we set it. You
don't even want somebody to believe the way that you
do just because you said it on your own podcast.

(01:09:38):
What we want to do is we want to have
a discourse and come up with, you know, some interesting
thoughts that get people thinking, to help them formulate their
own minds about things. And I think it's pretty easy
right now to formulate an opinion that the Patriots are
not that good and based on what they did last year,
I think they've made improvements to to the roster, but

(01:10:01):
they haven't gotten anywhere near where they need to be
to be a top shelf post season contender. And I
think we can all see, you know, two big things
staring at us. One the offensive line to the quarterback,
because we all know that the quarterback that's going to
take them, you know, to that promised Land is going

(01:10:21):
to start this season on the bench. As silly as
that sounds, that's what's gonna happen. And uh, and of
course the offensive line in front of him. Man, I mean,
they just they haven't done a good enough job with that.
And that goes back into the tail end of the
Belichick era, and and and and the evaluation of the
of the of the abilities or inabilities as some of

(01:10:41):
the guys you know that are coming around. That has
to change. And if we can get that to change,
then I think the positivity is going to take care
of itself.

Speaker 9 (01:10:50):
Well. Have you got optimism about the new O line guy?

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Yeah, Caleb Caleb Davis, Ye Davis that I.

Speaker 9 (01:11:00):
Knew the first name was Caleber and I was trying
to scramble looking for his surname because he's like six
nine and he's like a.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Huge six foot nine and three hundred and seventy pounds
is what they've listed in Matt.

Speaker 9 (01:11:13):
I saw some of the kind of what people call
it become a tape on him, like little clicks on
on social media is the budies that people cut from
YouTube and things. And I was surprised at how he
carries his weight, so to speak. And I don't mean
that to sound defensive in any way. Show he was.
He was much longer than I was expecting, and I

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think that's interesting. And I've got to say going into
I hope that he gets elevated because he's on the
practice for at the moment, isn't he So I.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
Hope he gets elevated.

Speaker 9 (01:11:41):
It's really interested to see him in game time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
I think there's a chance I think you said, yeah,
I think there's a chance that can happen the show. Yeah, yeah,
I think there's.

Speaker 9 (01:11:53):
You can't teach height or something along the line.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Yeah, that's correct, it's hard to coach height, yeah, correct, correct.
And so you know, he's big. You know, I don't
know if he played the left or the right. I mean,
everybody thinks automatically, oh big, you know, sun blocking tackle.
He's a left tackle. That isn't necessarily the case. I
think we all knew that from Trent Brown. Trent Brown's
best position was right tackle, but the Patriots put him

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in a left tackle because they needed him at left tackle,
and he didn't play it all that well last year,
you know, so you know it's not coincidentally he's going
to start at right tackle for the Bengals on Sunday. So, okay,
that's fine. I wish him well. Patriots still need a
lot of help. You know, it's quite possible that the Patriots,
you know, tackle the future is still playing college ball

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this year. It's quite possible. It's quite possible, I you know,
and unless New England, you know, comes up with a
you know, a top three pick again, which everybody seems
to think is going to happen. I know, they're the
odds on favorite to have a top five pick amongst
all the teams in the NFL right now. But I
would tell you that if you're picking in the top

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five A, you better have a starter. B. I'm not
so sure that's going to be a tackle, but if
it's not going to be a tackle, then you better
make sure that you get a tackle, because they need
a tackle. In fact, they need several tackles. So unless
they've already you know, ear marked you know, uh and
and pointed out you know, hey, we know where you

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can get this guy, or be we know this guy's
going to free agency and we're going to make a
play for him in the off season or whatever it
may be. And and and they should already be having
these conversations, by the way, Okay, if they're doing their
job the right way, these conversations are already taking place.
So that's by far and away the biggest need. Overwhelmingly,

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you know for next year, and I think we all
expect for next year, especially you know that Drake May
is going to be the starter. So why wouldn't you
want to do what you can to to to protect them?

Speaker 8 (01:13:50):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:13:52):
Yeah? Do you think it is easier to get a
why to sive in sort of free agency situation than
is a tackle? Were looking at something that you would
say going into the draft, you know, it's really easy way.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 9 (01:14:10):
If the need is still tackling wide receiver, it should
be tackle priority because wide receiver is an easiest talent
to obtain.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Yeah, you know, that's interesting. I honestly, I am not sure.
I mean, I always think that that free agency is easier, uh,
no matter the position, because you've got you know, known quantities,
known entities, sure, as against other professionals, as opposed to
college guys who certainly know how to play the sport

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and could dominate against their compet level competition. But the
level of competition they're playing, I mean, unless you're really
in the SEC and maybe the Big ten, Uh, you
have to you have to openly question it. It's not a
it may not be NFL everyday caliber player. And again
I'm not trying to be you know, mean to college players,
because I think there's some really good college football being

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played at all levels in this country. But I just
I would rather take my chance on a guy that
I know I could pluck away from a team, you know,
and sign him that isn't gonna break my bank and
is going to fit into my scheme. I'd rather go
with a known entity. Now, not everybody can do that.
A lot of teams are diligent at you know, signing
their guys, and guys that find themselves open in free

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agency generally, I think they're flawed. And the reason that
I think they're flawed is because their own team doesn't
want to pay the money that they need to pay
them to keep them. So and maybe that's a flaw.
Maybe the business part of it is part of that flaw.
But I just think that you know, there's a reason

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why you're able to get that person from free agency,
and you know, and in the draft, you know, you've
got to be lucky to be in the right spot,
in the right place, the right time to take somebody.
So this is where you know your your ability to
identify talent more read more quickly is really important. I
think you know, you really want to get down to

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the the x's and o's. The most important person within
any football team right now is the guy who's making
the call on drafting and bringing guys in. If that's
the GM, then that's the GM. I think the GM
is more important right now, especially for a team like
New England rebuilding, than the head coach, and so the
onus is on Elliott Wolf to get this done. This

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is where I think we can all agree Bill Belichick
fell short in the last few years because his ability
to evaluate talent was inaccurate. It just, I mean, he
wasn't a complete failure. He identified a bunch of guys
that hey, the Patriots ended up resigning right in the offseason,

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so he wasn't a complete failure. But it just so
happens that, you know, their inability to identify talent. Two
key positions are is keeping this team from rising back
up to a competitive level. One on the offensive line.
Two wide receiver. And it's been a repeated thing, especially
at wide receiver, and it's kind of like, uh, why
can't this coaching staff figure out what the hell a

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good wide receiver is? There's no explanation for that. There's
no explanation.

Speaker 9 (01:17:14):
It feels like generally when it was Bill, it was
everything was successful defensively, he was good at he was
successful at choosing defense, at strengthen the defense, even bringing
back like veteran guys and then working out really well
in New England, that must think. And the offense was

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like Brady's bag almost and that obviously that got taken
away and then things just weren't quite the same. So
it does look quite significant that him being a defensive guy,
they had the strength and the defense. It's interesting going forward,
semi depressing, but also interesting and possibly exciting going forward
as a Patriots.

Speaker 12 (01:17:55):
Fan, how it's going to evolve from the draft now
that defensive mind isn't there, however, Mayo is to the
defensive mind.

Speaker 9 (01:18:06):
So it's interesting to see if there'll be still those
traits that come through when it comes to that kind
of player choice and player development.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's something we will all be
looking for and watching for very very closely. Hey, Claria,
you're a good thanks kiddo.

Speaker 9 (01:18:23):
No, gentlemen, I have a good one, don't thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Yeah, and enjoy the games on Sunday. Let me sneak
this one in here. Kendall is in North Carolina. Hey, Kendall,
thanks for hanging in. You're in the playbook? Kendall, you're going?
Are you there?

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
I got you?

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
Brother? How are you all right?

Speaker 13 (01:18:45):
I got a question if this year between twenty fourth
season isn't about winning, and how are we going to
attract were as to come here in the future because
we've seen it, I mean just money alone and it yeah, no,
Cavin really and Brenda you say they didn't want to
come for the money. But what what are we going?
I mean, I know I get Drake May and I

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think he's gonna be real good, But I mean, what's
going to be the draw next year? What if we
don't need to get to see a lot of Drake
made this year? What are these fears? How we're going
to make this team better if we're not even we
just want to develop players and compete, But nobody's saying
we want to we want to win games this year?
I mean, what are why are creative? Why the spirits
want to come here?

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
I think you have asked an absolutely fantastic question. I
wish I wish I could answer it because I happen
to agree with you one hundred and ten percent. If
you don't win, how are you going to get quality
free agents to come here? And if you're not going
to play your best players, how do you have your
best chance to win? And if Drake May is your

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best quarterback and he's not playing, is that your best
chance to win? These are all legitimate questions. I'm with
you on that one. That's one of the reasons why
I was, Hey, if the man is outplayed everybody else
at quarterback, you need to start. Now. We've seen over
the last you know, a week or so, where you know,
even Tom Brady has come out and said, I think
he said on Fox the other day with Colin Coward,

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he said that, you know, he's always been a proponent
of young guys coming in and sitting behind veterans like
he did, you know, his first year, you know, behind
Drew Bledsoe. And I understand the benefit to that, but
there are other things in play here. And yeah, I
realize that a lot of people believe that if you
played him now, you're throwing him to the wolves because
there isn't a solid offensive line that's playing in front

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of him. But is it still going to give you
the best chance to win. See, I'm always of Look,
I want to win the game that's in front of me.
I guess maybe I have more of an athlete's mentality
here than a fan or a media mentality, because they're
always looking at the big picture, you know. I want
to look at the big picture. What are we going
to be two years from now, five years from now?

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Where are we going to be? And I think that
the sport now changes so much from day to day,
and especially in an era of para, that the only
thing you can count on is now so much can
change from year to year that you can't bank on
the fact that you're gonna you're building to five. You've

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got a five year plan. You got a five year plan.
What if you're starting quarterback tears up his knee and
he's never any good anymore. That's happened before the people Look,
I mean, my goodness, it's it's I mean, look what
happen Alex Smith and the Chiefs. You know, granted they've
got a little bit better situation going for him now,
but I'm just using that as an overall example.

Speaker 13 (01:21:29):
You don't know, I felt this year that I've been
hearing a lot of talk about when let's just compete,
it's not about win and go lose, and let's just
compete as available. And I'm like, I mean, I'm a
I'm a fan, so I'm like, what am I supposed
to watch? And we just are we trying to win?

Speaker 7 (01:21:44):
Or what?

Speaker 9 (01:21:44):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:21:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Yeah, and that's and that's that's the issue that I have.
And I think that's an honest question for any Patriot fan,
any football fan, to ask of their team, are you
guys trying to win? And of course the answer to
that is gonna be, well, of course we're trying to win.
Your play to win the game. I understand all of that.

Speaker 13 (01:21:59):
One more quick question, sure, quick question too. Yeah, let's
just say we start out oh and uh oh for
one and three, whatever the case may be. But you
couldn Bristt is playing really good. He's not the reason
that we're losing games, but he's not really winning them either.
Do you think they could Pumpy come to the game
up in Boston. Think it's whenever they play a Jets

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at home. Okay, So I'm like, I'm hoping Drake May
is playing by them. But I'm like, if we start
out winning three h four, which is a good chance.
Do you think they are fit Ja Kobe or do
you just because like, let's just say we're we're oh
and four, but he's like he's throwing six touchdowns pulling
us up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Well, I would tell you if that happens, then there's
no way this team is going four.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Correct, I mean, I I just will I feel like
you got bigger problems.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Yeah, I feel yeah, I feel like, listen, if he's
actually playing the way that you just said, there's no
way this team is on four. Okay, there's no way.
I mean, I just there would be a coup, there
would be a couple of wins in there, and then
and then the answer your question, oh, I don't think
they make the change. I think, you know, we'll wait
until we get further in the season. They're gonna look
for the right opportunity to make this change. I don't

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know when that's gonna come. I have no way of
I mean, I don't know. I'd like to see him now,
that's my vote was now. But you know, if if
they're owing four, if they're O and four, I think
they can make the change next month. And I don't
think they'll make I don't think they'll wait any later
than halfway through the season. If they don't make the

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change by week eight or week nine, I don't think
they're going to make the change.

Speaker 13 (01:23:35):
Do you think it's a chance he plays if let's
just ay jacober Citi's band Sunday, I mean three in
five turno machine.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Sure, absolutely, yeah, I do. If you're really trying to
win a game like they say they're they're trying to do.
If Jakebe went out there and stunk it up and
throw three first half picks or whatever, yeah, I'm gonna
make a change. I'm gonna put him out there. I
absolutely am, because again, you've got to win the game. Okay,
you have to win the game. Okay, appreciate you, Kendall,

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thank you for that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:04):
All right.

Speaker 11 (01:24:05):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Jacoby Brissette has just wrapped up his media session. Uh.
And for those of you that have been kind enough
to stick with us here, uh inside the playbook, I
wanted to bring you just a little that because of
the unique nature of his being a first time starting
quarterback here for this season, I know he started earlier
in his career. Don't correct me on that one. I
know he was here earlier. But nevertheless, for this year,

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he's the man. So we wanted to bring you some
of what he had to tell the media just a
couple of moments ago in the locker room down the
hallway here at Gillette somebody start host practice today.

Speaker 6 (01:24:38):
Good, good first day.

Speaker 11 (01:24:39):
Uh, you know, the the intensity of the first game
of the season is definitely there. Uh, you know, the
attention to detail was there. So it was a good day.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:24:47):
You know, you's got to keep stacking him.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Now starting quarterback for the New England Patriots one in
the week one, Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
Oh for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Challenges in.

Speaker 11 (01:25:00):
You're saying for yeah, yeah, I mean I think Lou
does a really good job with those guys. A lot
of the same guys have been in this defense for
for a while now, you know, so they understand the scheme,
they understand, you know, their problems that teams are trying
to attack and and I think over the years they've
done a good job of of correcting a lot of those,
like you know, dating back to when we first got

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there to now. Uh, you know, the obviously got a
lot of talented guys, so you know, we definitely got
to be on our p's and q's this.

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
Week yeah, you obviously played them from twenty twenty two
with the Brown Simons.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
You go back to that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
Game and you know, look at the tape from that one.

Speaker 11 (01:25:35):
Yeah, more so for for I guess the defense, uh,
more than anything, not to watch myself really, but you know,
understanding a lot of the things that we tried to
attack then and and how like then I watched the
game later in the year from when we played them
the second time, when Deshaun was playing, and how they

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corrected a lot of those things, and you know that
kind of like chess match, and then even last year
kind of seeing some of the same things because you know,
a lot of the stuff kind of carries over year
to year, and then you know, they obviously figure out
a lot of the stuff that we're trying to do.
So I think I've watched, you know, dating back to
the year I was there to watch those two games
and then last year's two game a couple of times

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now just to you know, kind of get in the
mindset of like how this offense slash hybrid offense kind
of attacks Lou and Lou kind of attacks this offense.

Speaker 14 (01:26:25):
You know, Jacobe, you getting ready for your first game here,
this year and then picking back maybe to your first game,
your rookie year September of that year. How are things
similar is in how you get ready and how is
it different.

Speaker 6 (01:26:37):
Than the feeling of I think my knowledge of football
has definitely grown.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:26:42):
Fortunately I have a week now rather than two days
to get ready for a game, so that's good, you know.
And obviously just the excitement that I had when I
was twenty two years old, twenty three years old, you know,
I still feel that same way right now. So you know,
I'm excited for this week ahead, excited for our team,
you know, to go on the road the first week
and kind of you know, make our imprint this year.

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And uh, you know what this twenty twenty fourteen season's gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Be talked a little bit to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Find out you cablity to protective?

Speaker 6 (01:27:11):
What do you think it is about about your game?

Speaker 14 (01:27:13):
Did the last year to protect the games?

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (01:27:17):
You know, I think it's just comes with you know,
learning and growing as a player. Uh, you know, and
kind of you got to kind of like put your
ego to the side. It's like, oh, you can't make
every throw every play, you know, some of some of
those plays call for you to check the ball down.

Speaker 6 (01:27:31):
Some of those plays call for you throw the ball.

Speaker 11 (01:27:32):
Away and not force things, and uh, you know, and
obviously learning that throughout my years of playing, I think
that plays a part in it. Uh you know, I've
had a fortunate enough to have a lot of good
players to knock a lot of bad decisions down down
for me. So I think that played a part in
it too. But it's a I think it's a culmination
of a lot of different things.

Speaker 9 (01:27:51):
Now for quarterback as well, knocked out such bad decisions
and knock the ball down for no do you?

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
I mean, I guess I tell you not like older.

Speaker 11 (01:28:00):
Players know what I'm saying, Like I throw a stupid
pass and somebody breaks it up for me, like it's
not an interception anymore. So I think that that definitely
helped me out a couple of times in my career.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
Well, if anything.

Speaker 6 (01:28:10):
Surprised you about the challenges that you faced over the
course of training camp in the preseason, what say it again?

Speaker 11 (01:28:16):
Sorry, did anything surprise you?

Speaker 6 (01:28:21):
You?

Speaker 11 (01:28:23):
You know, nothing really surprises me anymore in this league.
I think it more is just like you kind of
you arise at a situation. It's like oh, like I've
been through that before, and I think I think i've
in this training camp, I've had a lot of those moments,
you know where it's kind of you know, you got
to find those experiences and lean back on them and
say like, hey.

Speaker 6 (01:28:42):
What did I do here? What could I have done
better here?

Speaker 11 (01:28:44):
And just you know when it's I think I've had
a lot more of those than rather than like, oh
I never had that happen before.

Speaker 14 (01:28:50):
Jakoby Gerada talk to us about Bengals and their defense
plays more aggressive because they feel.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Like they have the high powered offense that can have
their back.

Speaker 14 (01:28:59):
How much do you playoff with the other side of
the ball knowing what your defense can do, and how
does that affect your guys playtime?

Speaker 6 (01:29:05):
Yeah, I think I think that that. I guess that.

Speaker 11 (01:29:08):
Playing complimentary football is really big this week. Uh, you know,
and value in the possessions that we have, uh and
uh you know, sustaining drives, being good on first and
second down to make their downs manageable. I mean, all
those cliche things that you hear is you know, it's
even it's more help me with this word perative? Is
that the right word? Or is imperative right, all right,

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imperative to that we do that this week, especially going
on the road the first game of the season in
the hostile environment, you know, kind of you know, getting
off to a fast start, I think that will help us,
you know, kind of you know, start complimentary football where
there's offense, defense, special teams, you know, and then we're
just feeding off and playing off each other.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
How confident are you with your running backs here? And
what have you just liked about the way they've played.

Speaker 8 (01:29:50):
Up to this point.

Speaker 11 (01:29:51):
Yeah, I think I think we got a good group
of guys in that room, you know, guys that we
definitely got to get involved, uh.

Speaker 6 (01:29:57):
In this game playing, you know that.

Speaker 11 (01:29:59):
I think the good things they all can do so
many different things for us is whether it's catching, running, blocking,
So you know, we're definitely gonna lean heavily on them
this week, especially going on the road in the hostile environment.
You kind of want to, you know, I guess what
it's set your pads and and kind of you know,
set the tone as far as like, you know what
our team's gonna be about, starts with them.

Speaker 14 (01:30:17):
I will be talked to a good amount of the
defensive players today, love just how they've.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Seen Gerard change.

Speaker 14 (01:30:22):
You know, we've evolved since become the head coach from
an offensive perspective, How do you see him grow since
taking on that head coach role in just the last
couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Up week one?

Speaker 11 (01:30:31):
Yeah, So I mean fortunately for them, they know him
as a defensive coach. I only know him as the
head coach. So but I would say from from spring
to now, you've definitely seen you know, I guess him
by him playing, he understands the the ramp up from
OTA's to training camp to first game of the season.
I've definitely seen that, you know, the intensity, intensity and
focused from him as as you know, as the leader

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of this team. Uh, you know, kind of ramping up
as we get to this point and you know, we
had a really good team meeting today of and can
kind of feel his energy as far as you know,
I would say, you know, like, hey, this first game
to see like this isn't this isn't preseason games or
OTA or practice, like we can't. Uh, you know, he
didn't dip his toe in the team, meaning that he
kind of really got got after it. So I thought

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it was good.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
What's there?

Speaker 11 (01:31:17):
What's the meaning to be lected captain Sea. Yeah, it
was definitely, uh, I surprise, for sure, but definitely something
I don't take for granted. Uh, not only being a
captain of this team and knowing all the the guys
that I looked up through this organization and and and
I played with a lot of them, but also.

Speaker 6 (01:31:39):
The history of this this team.

Speaker 11 (01:31:40):
But uh, you know, when you when you get voted
by your peers, you know, it's something special rather than
you know, being appointed based on position, and you know,
and it's something I definitely don't take for granted.

Speaker 6 (01:31:51):
The offensive excited for him, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:31:55):
And uh, I know that's the big question about us.
It's like what's the office a line situation? And I think,
you know, that's that's the cool part about this, this
this league, in this in this game, is you know,
everybody can have all these questions, you know, you still
got to go line up and do it, you know,
And I think those guys understand that they understand that task.

Speaker 12 (01:32:12):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:32:12):
You know, I feel very confident that you know, with
this plan and and uh you know how we're gonna
attack you know, the defense, but also help us and
and and you know protect you know, the quarterback and
running back and and obviously pushing the ball down a
fields and things like that. You know, I feel very
confident that those guys are locking in on the plan,
you know, ironing out the details and and uh, you know,
I'm excited for them to to really make their impact

(01:32:34):
on this team because it starts with them, and and
you know, I know what they're capable of, and I'm
just excited for them to show. I guess all of
these questions about them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Yeah, thank you. There you go, Jacobe Recepp just moments ago, uh,
in the Patriots media room, and you know, no surprises there.
He's ready to go. Let's give him an opporunity. Let's
give them a chance. I just happen to think that,
at least at this stage, based on the things that
we've talked about, his leash is gonna be short. You

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would probably realize that as well, because you've got the
Air Apparent waiting. His job has been here to you know,
just sort of mark time and help the Air Apparent
become the air rather than the Air Apparent. And we'll
see how long that will go. Starting this week. By
the way, I wanted to share something really quickly here
Betmassachusetts dot com. There is a website that it's called

(01:33:29):
Bete mass Chuss. Anyway, they did a little research. I'll
give them full credit here on NFL rookie quarterbacks that
have played their first game versus those that have not
or did not play their first game, didn't start their
first game. In other words, because we've been talking about, well, hey,
Drake May should be starting his first game, right. We

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know that Caleb Williams is going to be starting his
first game officially for Chicago, Jadeen Daniels are going to
be starting his first official game for Washington. But Drake
May is the third pick, is not going to be starting.
And we know that. You know that the Patriots, you know,
the hierarchy coming from Green Bay to really good examples.
I mean you had Aaron Rodgers sitting behind Brett Farb

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and then you had, you know, Jordan Love sitting behind
Aaron Rodgers. So I mean, you know, so they know
how to do that, right. But based on quarterbacks selected
from twenty ten to twenty twenty. All right, so this
is a ten year period in the NFL first round
quarterbacks that played in their first career NFL game. Okay,

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were let's see their average career value at fifty five percent.
The first round quarterback that did not play in the
first career NFL game, their average career value is only
coming at thirty eight percent. Now what does that mean, Well,
it means that there was probably a little bit more

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of a success story from the quarterbacks that actually played
in their first career NFL game, which Drake may will
not be doing this Sunday, unless, of course, you know,
Heaven forbid something happens to Jacoby Brissett. Thirteen first round
picks at quarterback and start Week one of their rookie seasons. Okay,

(01:35:20):
it includes guys like Sam Bradford. It also includes Cam Newton,
Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin, the Third, Ryan Tannehill, Carson Wentz,
DeShawn Watson, Kyler Murray, and Joe Burrow. Okay. First round
picks that did not start Week one include Heisman Trophy
winners like Tim Tebow Johnny Manziel who were both washouts.

(01:35:45):
Also NFL MVPs like Patrick Mahomes remember he didn't start
his first game, right, and Lamar Jackson he didn't start
his first game either. Josh Allen of the Buffalo Bills,
Jerry goff of the Detroit Lions, Justin Herbert to A
TAGOVALOA Jordan Love, Hey, you throw those guys in the mix,

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you probably have an argument for setting your first round
pick at quarterback in that year's season opener, because you know, hey,
those guys did so. A'lltold the average of the thirteen
quarterbacks that started Week one of their respective rookie seasons
fifty five percent outweighs the total of players that sat

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out the opening game at thirty eight percent, as I mentioned,
So maybe statistically a little better sense of success if
they started. I mean Gerrod Mayo said earlier today, folks,
he said earlier today and his press cover this morning.
Let me see if I can get the exact quote.
So I want to repeat this all right, Gerrod Mao

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on player development. When he was asked about player development,
his quote, you become good at football by playing football.
That's all I've ever said. You can't get good sitting
on the sideline. You know, you can take all the
precautions you want, But football is a violent, physical game.

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It's why we all love it. And those that play
should those that can should, And I realize there are
extenuating circumstances around and Jacoby's the starter, and we'll leave
it at that. But I'm just saying we got some
definite food for thought here, and this is a storyline
that won't go away until well until Drake Man gets

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a shot at quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:37:35):
It's a real woman, could stop you from drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
That's a real big woman.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
It's time to go around the NFL with football Guru
Russell Baxter.

Speaker 8 (01:37:44):
Now on.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Your name is Flounder on Patriots Playbook. We welcome in
season twenty four of the Patriots Playbook. We walk come
in the one and only backs football Guru himself, Russell Baxter.
What your Baxter? How are you my friend?

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
I'm doing well. I enjoyed your synopsis there of the
rookie quarterbacks, and I don't disagree with you on Drake
May because I think sooner than later we're going to
see him. But when you were talking about this year's
rookie starting, something jumped out at me and is it

(01:38:26):
okay if I run it by you?

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Absolutely okay.

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
So Caleb Williams is going to make There's three rookie
quarterbacks that are going to make their start this week.
Bo Nicks is the third. One another first round, So
I don't you know, I'm just formulating this and I'm
so we see Caleb Williams is going to start for
the Bears, and I believe Matt Eberfluss's third year as

(01:38:52):
a head coach. Okay dan Quinn has been in an
NFL head coach before, and has Jayden Daniels. Sean Payton
has obviously been an NFL head coach with Go Nicks.
It strikes me that Jacoby burst or I should say

(01:39:12):
Girod Mayo is coaching his first NFL game at the
NFL head coach.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Right, and he ironically is going with a more veteran quarterback,
whereas the veteran coaches are going with the rookies.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
What does that say, Well, it tells me that maybe,
and I'm not going to speak with Gerrod Mayo, maybe
Gerard Mayo himself wants to get a little underfoot before
putting in a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
I think that's I think that's reasonable. I think that's reasonable.
And I surmised in the last week as well, I
surmised that, you know, we don't know all of the
details of Jacoby's you know, re emergence here in New England.
It's quite possible that they said, hey, come to New England,
sign a one year deal. You a starter, right, They

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might have. They might have said, hey, you're gonna It
could have been part of his deal, just like Gerard
Mayo was told, hey, you're going to be the head
coach era a parent. You know, if Bill ever leaves,
I mean that can be said and done, and it
may be nothing more difficult or nothing more you know,
complicated than Gerard living up to his word. I promised
Jacoby he's the starter.

Speaker 4 (01:40:22):
He's the starter, absolutely and I and by the way,
I can flow my own theory out of the world,
well it's not really a theory. What it shows you
yet over the years that there's all different ways to
do that. This when it comes to rookie quarterback. Okay,
they threw Peyton Manning right into the to the fire

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right away back in nineteen ninety eight. The biggest example
would be John Elway, who was a starter in his
Week one game at Pittsburgh back in nineteen eighty three.
I believe in the sacks seven times and knocked out
of the game. But in that every look world of
starting quarterbacks getting to win Steve de Bergh rescued him,

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they beat the Steelers, and John Elway was actually credited
with the win.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Yeah, and clearly Lway ended up with a Hall of
Fame career. Right, So, even though he had a real
rough start in his first game, things turned out pretty
good for a guy named Elway, didn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
Oh? Absolutely? Like I said, there's so many different ways
you can do it. Peyton Manning and the Coast three
and thirteen as a rookie, and he threw a ton
of interceptions and a year later they were thirteen and three,
which at the time was the record for the biggest
turnaround in NFL history. Was tied by the Dolphins down
the road. But again to show you never know, last

(01:41:45):
year we had a first time NFL head coach in
Dimigo Ryans and a rookie quarterback in c. J. Stroud,
and they won the division title and c J. Stroud
was the offensive Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Yeah. So, I mean, my thing, Russell has always been
football players play football, okay, and and you know, if
you're good enough to play, you should be in there playing. Now,
I realize that sometimes there are extenuating circumstances. So this
is not a one. You know, all things are final situation.
There has to be some wiggle room here, but in

(01:42:19):
this particular case, especially when you have a team that's
struggling for you know, interest and relevance in its own
marketplace again just like it did twenty five years ago
and more, you know, And and you have a number
three overall pick, and he clearly has the ability and
let's face it, last couple of weeks of the preseason, uh,
he outplayed his competition. And that's something that we've talked

(01:42:41):
about here as well. He deserves the chance to see
what he did. And they're they're gonna put kid gloves
on him, and they're gonna bring him along a little
extra slowly. Who knows if it'll be the right move.
Time is gonna tell that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:55):
Well, I I I'll just leave it. I'll just say
that when Jacoby Brissette we named the starting quarterback, I
was surprised, Okay, yeah, because I thought Drake May had
taken over the job.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:11):
So I think that says a little something too, maybe
not knowing what really is going on behind the scenes.
And I'm also not going to be surprised, Okay, if
Trey Hendrickson spend Trey Hendrickson spends more time in the
backfield of the Patriots and Jacoby Brissette or along with him,
that we actually see Drake May on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Yeah, listen, I don't think anything would surprise me. But yeah,
if someone I had a caller earlier on the show today,
say you know, hey, what happens if you know he
throws like three interceptions, you know, in the first half
or you know, into the third quarter and the Patriots
are down twenty one to nothing or worse. I mean,
could we see him? Yeah, we should see him. We
absolutely should. I don't care. You know, if you're you know,

(01:43:54):
Johnny Unitas, you know, you know out there on the
if United has played that poorly, hey, guess what, Earl
Morril's going to take us spot right.

Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
That's exactly right. Yeah, I don't know what to expect.
I just know we're talking in new era here, and
we're talking about a team that was tied to the
fewest points in the NFL last year.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
Yeah, and whatever it takes to put points on the board.
You think you have a reasonably equipped defense, Yes, there's
no Christian barm Ortar started the season but you think that,
you know, hopefully you're reasonably equipped to be competitive, and
that has to remain the hope. But you need to
take some of that burden off of the defense, because

(01:44:35):
it's pretty clear to see they were getting kind of
frustrated with the lack of performance on the offensive side
of the ball a year ago, and you've got to
do something in order to flip the script and try
to win some of those you know, single score devas
of games.

Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
That was a demoralized football team late in the year. Yeah,
there's a new question about it. I know they you know,
still played hard to a degree and so on. I'll
never question any effort, but it was you know, after
watching the last twenty years, it was you know, it
was mystifying to a degree. Yeah, but it's in some

(01:45:10):
ways it was also understandable because you just you could
just feel that the life was sucked out of that team.
And listen, it's for the rest of stretch. I know
they made the playoffs in twenty twenty one, but they've
had losing seasons three of the last four years. And
you know, the last time they had bad man of
the season, they had the first pick in the draft.
That's not alone year in nineteen ninety three.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Well, we can go old school all we want to
around here, can't we. I love it, speaking of old school.
Speaking of old school, it was announced this afternoon for
those that might have missed it, the pat Patriot throwbacks
will be worn for home games against Houston on October
the thirteenth and against the Colts on December first.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
Just give me that headle with that, I know, right,
give me one of the most creative and original helmets.
I used to work for a semi pro team in Pennsylvania, Okay,
and they kind of used the fact simile of the
Patriots healment, only they had they were the Mountaineers, only

(01:46:18):
they had a mountain man hiking the ball instead of
the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
And so there was a complete knockoff of pat Patriots. Yeah, wow, yes, wow.
I'm wonder if the I wonder if the uh you know,
copyright police got a whold of them.

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
Oh I it's possible. I think the Long Long Gone,
the semi protein and so on, and uh I said
like wow, you know, when I saw it, it was wow.
But still, you know, if it's some of the helmet
designs in last the last twenty years and so on,
and maybe even thirty years under the Patriots first year,

(01:46:56):
but that was ninety three. You know, every time I
so the new Patriots that that's hold like they were
sponsored by the US Post Office.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Yeah, I know, right right, Hey, just just as an aside,
because I think we all realized that, you know, with
the the pat Patriot white helmet, it's gonna come along
the uh you know, the red jersey and the white
pants and and what have you. Or maybe the white
jersey in the red pants, who knows. But how would
you feel about the Patriots throwbacks featuring those royal blue

(01:47:24):
uniforms that they had early in the Bledso era when
Bill Parcells became coach uh still with you know, flying
elvis as the helmet logo. Would that be considered a throwback?

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
Be conceiding to throw something? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:47:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:47:42):
There was something about that color scene that always bothered
me a little. Okay, I mean, listen, you know, I
like seeing Andre Tippett and my John Hannan that was
in a uniforms okay, And and and one of my
favorite pat players of time, which I wrote something about, Earliers,

(01:48:03):
here's Matt Carron. Matt Carron was one of the nineteen
seventy four It is one of the greatest seasons in
the NFL history.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
Mac Heron, you want to explain that though, right.

Speaker 4 (01:48:14):
He did everything. The Patriots that year, I believe started
out five and other they wound up finishing seven and seven.
They missed the playoffs. They kicked off the year by
beating the two time defending Super Bowl champion Miami Dolphin.
Harry was a runner, a pass catcher, excellent on returns,
and he was one of the smallest players in the league.

(01:48:38):
And I think he eventually wound up being the CFF level.
There was a lot of controversy surrounding his latter years
and so on, but that's worth of google. Mac Harron
h R r in And when you look at what
he did in nineteen seventy four, very physical football, took
a licking and kept on chickens. And again he was

(01:49:00):
a Mac of all trades to get a jack of
all trap.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
He was the Mac of all trades. I like that one,
all right. So for for those that might be uninitiated
with with you know our relationship, Russell, our our relationship
goes back to the late nineteen nineties. When I first
started at ESPN, and you were there as well, uh,
you know as the uh, the sounding board and the
producer for you know, guys like Chris Berman and Tom

(01:49:27):
Jackson on ESPN. Uh. And then uh bring us up
today with you know, where fans can find you and
your stories and your work for this season, because I
know it's kind of always in a little bit of
a state of flux, but I know you've been really
big with the Fans Sided network as well over the
last few years in writing and covering the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
Yeah, fan Side in the NFL spin Zone and really
my main gig now and they have offshoots obviously Fans
Sided an NFL spin We had team sites as well. Yeah,
And and starting last year and then later last year,
I started writing for finn Fanatic, which is fan side

(01:50:08):
is Miami Dolphins site, and then Titan Size, which is
the Tennessee Titans fan site. And along with this sim
we're doing some preview and free agency and I'm doing
some game previews for their games this week. I've done
some historic pieces as well. You know that the ten
Greatest Quarterbacks and oilers Titans history, which got some people

(01:50:30):
a little rattled. But they explained to me the Titans
were not the Oilers, and I had to explain to
them they were.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
They were.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
And then you know, dogs and cats living together Massesteria again.
So but you know, the twenty greatest I'm waiting for
this one to post. The twenty greatest wide receivers in
Oilers Titans history. And it's quite a list. Wow, Yeah,
for free. And it's funny because it was a franchise

(01:51:00):
in the early sixties. For the most part, and actually
for the most part in their first thirty years, Jones
was more known to their running backs, yeah, than it
was their receivers. And I did the twenty greatest running
backs in Oilers Titans History, and I probably don't have
to tell you who number one was, Earl Campbell. Oh

(01:51:21):
my goodness. If it were up to me, he'd be one,
two and three. Yeah, but I mean, i'd only take
away you know, Eddie George and Derrick Henry and Chris
Johnson and Ronnie Coleman and Rob Carpenter and stuff. The
wide receiver piece was a lot of fun to do,
and you know, and I tried to obviously add some

(01:51:44):
historical perspective as well, you know, rating these guys had
a lot to do with tenure on the team. That
was a big factor, okay, but it wasn't the only factor.
So you know, you know the guy, you know, like
when they did the running backs, uh, you know, he
kept in mind that you had guys who played Billy

(01:52:04):
Cannon and you know other standdowns to some who had
short that Glendale White, Lorenzo White, and you know guys
who had short stints, okay, and I made sure I
acknowledged them. The same thing with the wide Receivers piece
when it comes out. I mean, people may or may
not remember that Charlie Joyner began his career. Sure, absolutely Oilers,

(01:52:28):
but he really blossomed.

Speaker 7 (01:52:30):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:52:31):
He played for the Bengals and then he went on
with the Chargers, and that's gonna be what brought him
into the Hall of Fame. So he's on the list,
but he's not necessarily super high on the list because
he's not spent a lot of time with the oilersts.
One of the questions I posed in that piece, Okay,
and he's obviously not on the list, but I always

(01:52:52):
there was always a little food to thought. In nineteen
seventy six, the Oilers drafted the wide receivers from Tulsa
in the fourth and immediately wound up trading him to
the expansion Seattle Seahawks. I'm sure you know him talking
about Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
Large Steve Larger, Yeah, right, I'd forgotten he was an
Oilers draft pick.

Speaker 4 (01:53:12):
Right, So he never played for the Oilers, and he's
not on the list. But the question was, could you
imagine if they had kept him?

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
Oh my gosh, yeah, okay, And where would he.

Speaker 4 (01:53:22):
Ring because obviously you know he's a profoo.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Boy, he'd yeah, he'd be right there toward the double list. Right,
Two names I gotta ask you about if they're on
the list, okay? Is Billy White Shoes Johnson on the list?

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
Yes, okaye, not necessariessarily high up because most of his
work was done on special teams.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Right, right, and so yes, he's on the list, right, okay.
And the other one is Mike Renfro Yes, he's on
the list. Okay, all right, I'm happy.

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
And one of the reasons he was on the list
in nineteen seventy nine in the playoffs, Yeah, he was
involved in two of the most horton and controversial plays
in that postseason. Okay, first off, and it's a game
where I often referred to as the greatest gut game,
check check game in NFL history. The Houston Oilers had

(01:54:14):
to go to San Diego to play the Chargers in
the playoffs. That Chargier team, and at least in my opinion,
was the best team in the NFL that year. Earlier
in the season, the Steelers came in the defending Super
Bowl champions and they whacked them thirty five to seven.
That was That was a team that had Gary Bighans
Johnson and Fred Dean and Woodrow Low.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
They had a big.

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
Pair with their own fense.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
Yeah, one of the one of the best nicknames out there,
Big Hans Johnson.

Speaker 4 (01:54:43):
Yep, Louis Telcher and Houston went into that game. Broke
Campbell was out, Dan Pastorini was out, Kenny Burrow was out.
So it was Gifford, Neilson and short pad to Mike
Renfrow that when forty seven yards they beat the Chargers
seventeen to fourteen. You'll also remember Brunha and Perry picked

(01:55:07):
off Dan Faust time.

Speaker 6 (01:55:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:55:09):
So then of course a week later in the AFC
title game, renfro Is catch non catch in the end
zone against the Steelers that was waved off. Every time
I see it still for the last forty something years,
I can't make up my mind if he caught it
in time and he got to speak down. Trying to
watch it those at the same time is still very

(01:55:31):
difficult today. I don't think there's any pressure. Would probably
been boling a touchdown in any case, he was involved
in that. Plus he was also you know, a solid
player for them. Eventually moved on to the Cowboys and
so on. But you know, those are the pieces I
love doing and so on. I've got some more historical
stuff along the way for both of those sites as well,

(01:55:53):
so they're keep an eye out for there, and you know,
I get to do this with you and who knows what's.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
Coming on down the awesome. I absolutely love that. Thank you.
That's great for filling us in. We're gonna we're gonna
be on the lookout for all of that. So as
we as we get week one underway here, uh, you know,
obviously he's going to start, you know, tomorrow night with
Ravens and Chiefs, which is a great way to start.
But I would tell you that there are obviously a
couple of other games that I find extraordinarily intriguing. For

(01:56:19):
Week one matchups Packers Eagles, which will go Friday night,
and that's the one that's gonna be down in Brazil
for the first time ever, right South Polo. And then
I have to admit that I'm kind of looking forward to,
you know, watching a little bit of Jaguars and Dolphins,
because a the Dolphins obviously are a divisional opponent about
be the Jaguars are supposed to be pretty decent. And

(01:56:41):
then I would take that a little further beyond that,
and I think that the Jets and forty nine ers,
with the Jets obviously being another divisional opponent on Monday night,
could be a sneaky good game. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (01:56:54):
Well, I agree, you know, Green Bay and Philadelphia you
can talk about two teams that headed in the opposit
direction at the end of the year untill he went
ten to one and then lost six to seven, including
the playoff loss to the Bucks. Ugly playoff loss of
the books. They went from the best pass defense in
the league to thirty first, which is why they spent
you know, quite a bit of time on their secondary

(01:57:17):
in the offseason. They used their first two draft picks
on the secondary. So meanwhile, Jordan Love and that Young
Receiving Corps got hot at the end of the year.
I'll be curious how they are with Josh Jacobs opposed
to Aaron Jones. It's funny brought up Jack Tamville Miami.
Here's the question for you. Where will there'll be more

(01:57:38):
Green Philadelphia and Green Bay for the contracts that Trevor
Lawrence and Tua Tagalow as stein vis year.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
Yeah, yeah, both.

Speaker 4 (01:57:50):
Got monster money, monster money and you know, I'm not
going to say undeservedly so, but that's what you do
with your whatever you feel like you have. The guy
Jordan loved the paved as well. Sure he made a
sound investment in him, and there was you know, those
two teams both kind of faded down the stretch last year.

(01:58:11):
You know, Miami got off to the amazing start, swamp
late bloomer. Jacksonville was eight and three and then positioned
to be the top seed in the AFC and then
fell completely apart. And so that that's an interesting matchup
and a row one more another we've got to you know,
besides Baltimore and Kansas City, John Weave another playoff where

(01:58:31):
he matched Sunday night, but the Rams go into Detroit.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
Rams in Detroit, right, that was the other one, Yes, you.

Speaker 4 (01:58:36):
Know, and Monday night. I agree with you. I'll be
interested to see Aaron Rodgers last more than four plays.
They have new veteran tackles, more than Moses Is coming
back to the Jets have to be in with the
Ravens for a couple of years. Tyron Smith's there. You
know this this AFC East, you know, I know Buffalo
is won the last four titles. Miami can't seem to

(01:58:58):
beat them, and they have, but rarely, I want to say,
Sean McDermott, including the playoffs, is like thirteen and two
against the Dolphins. So that's been a rough go for them.
But remember we're going to see Jacksonville in Miami and
four days later next to isay, we're going to see
Buffalo in Miami. So Week one very very unpredictable, especially

(01:59:23):
over the last couple of years. You know, I was
just writing about, you know, defending Super Bowl champions in
their first game usually win thirty eight, eighteen and one
in history, but the last two years the champions lost.
Remember the Chief lost to the cran flats last year. Yeah,

(01:59:44):
and then the year before Buffalo went into the Sofi
Stadium and smoked the Rams right the brisket. So you
know it used to be an automatic was I was
went back and look from nineteen ninety nine to what
you're what it The defending Super Bowl champion won twelve

(02:00:04):
straight openers the following year, twelve in a row. The
last twelve years the champions are only seven and five. Wow,
So something changed. They were little and like I said,
they want too so but it'll be intrigue. And you
didn't mention in Arizona Buffalo, which obviously is another AFC story.
I'm really curious more than anything else about the Bills

(02:00:26):
because they lost a lot of guys this season with
salary cap issues. They had to cut loose players, guys
like Jordan Poyer, guys like Mitch Morse the center, those
the guys that are you know. I know they traded
Stefan Diggs, but guys like Poyer and Morse or guys
who brought the physicality to that team. They remind me

(02:00:49):
of the Rams a couple of years ago, where they
cut along the guns and then they drafted a lot
of right so I'll be curious if Buffalo can kind
of hang in there maybe early on and some but
you know, they get Arison in the week and again
they get the Dolphins in Miami on a Thursday night, right.

Speaker 2 (02:01:09):
And week two right, And frankly, that's part of the
reason why I think, you know, now is the time
for Miami. If they're ever going to do it, now
would be the time for them to move in in
the AFC East. I'm still not sold on the Jets
just yet. I think everybody's anxious to see what Aaron
Rodgers still has, you know, uh, you know in the
gas tank, and especially after what happened last year. So
until I actually see the Jets play with him at quarterback,

(02:01:32):
I'm gonna reserve all judgment on the New York j
Ets as as a potential contender in the AFC East. Russell,
it'll be it'll be great to visit with you every
week again, and I really sincerely thank you for your
time to bring us the insight, to bring us the
perspective and a little history and a little bit of
knowledge in covering the NFL. It's always great fun to
talk to you, and uh, it's it's must listen as

(02:01:54):
far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 4 (02:01:56):
Well, that's very kind to you. I'll just leave you
with this.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
Drake may play on Sunset, Ah, he may play on Sunday.
That's very true. Thank you very much for that, Russell,
You the man. Enjoy the Yeah, I enjoy Week one.
Russell Baxter, the one and only at Backs football Guru,
Bax football Guru on x is where you can find him.
If you haven't followed him already, I highly suggest that

(02:02:21):
you do, because clearly he's got a huge amount of
knowledge going in there. All right, I wanted to share
a couple of quick emails before we go. This one
comes from a Weber who says, I vote for Drake.
Okay good. I think it's pretty pretty simple right there.
And then Tim sends an email on the the questions

(02:02:45):
of the day, giving or taking the Pats and plus
eight and a half against Cincinnati, the most important player
this season with the Patriots, and which comes first the
Patriots to four wins or Zapp. He throws a TD.
He says, I'm taking the points, So he's gonna take
the Patriots and the points He's gonna say Ramandrie Stevenson
and he says Patriots will definitely get the four wins.

(02:03:07):
More quickly. Two other quick questions, John, who you got
Rail Gun Joe or Drake the Snake for nicknames? This
is Mike and Lowell. Well, I mean, honestly, I think
we got to see Drake play first, right, and if
he can, you know, figure out a way to you know,
lead the Patriots to a couple to come from behind

(02:03:28):
winds or something, then I like Drake the Snake. But
to me, you know, there's only one snake. It was
Kenny Stabler. Kenny the Snake Stabler, right, And so I
don't know, but okay, I'll buy that rail Gun Joe as.

Speaker 3 (02:03:41):
Long as he's not as soft as Drake's cakes.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Drake's cakes. See that's the marine that basically just offered
that one up. So they make devil dogs, Yeah they do,
and they're really good too. I know that's weak spot, right,
Tim also says he writes another one says, my biggest
concern is not the old line players, it is the coaches.
Overthink this. Put the players in their natural positions where
they're most comfortable, then coach them up, help them get better.

(02:04:07):
That's what Scar would do. I can't disagree with that.
By the way, you know, they're always worried about versatility
and coaching up depth, and I understand the value behind that,
and I think that's very important for teams because you're
always trying to create more depth. I've always said, he
who has the most toys at the end of the
season wins, right. The teams that have the most healthy
depth are the winning teams left standing at the end

(02:04:28):
of the year, especially now that you've got seventeen and
probably in the next couple of years, eighteen games that
you're going to be playing at some point in time
during the regular season, which will undoubtedly probably also include
a couple of bye weeks, but that's in the future.
But now you got to have depth, and so you
develop that depth by preaching and coaching versatility within your roster.
But where the Patriots are concerned, let's just get one

(02:04:50):
thing done and let's get it done right, and then
we can worry about versatility. Am I lying to anybody here?
Let's just get one thing done. Let's get one thing
done right, and then we can move along. That's kind
of my biggest thing overall. Our Thanks in the program
to Benbaby from ESPN dot Com covering the Cincinnati Bengals.

(02:05:10):
Getting a little insight on the Bengals before the kickoff
on Sunday, Evan Lazar of course, Jacoby Brissette with his
news conference today, and the one and only Backs football
guru Russell Baxter joining us here on the program. Thanks
to the Marine for setting everything up. Don't forget tonight
at midnight. I know you won't be up and around,
well some of you might, but that's when we'll, uh,
we'll put out on social media the the new show

(02:05:36):
opens and you can vote.

Speaker 3 (02:05:38):
Yeah, they would have been earlier the midnight, but I'm
not good with YouTube. I'm gonna straight up be honest.

Speaker 2 (02:05:43):
Well, okay, so, but you're like setting it up on
a timer where they're going to appear on it.

Speaker 3 (02:05:47):
I can't figure out how to unschedule it from releasing
at midnight.

Speaker 2 (02:05:50):
Oh so they were gonna be released regardless at midnight,
don't I right?

Speaker 7 (02:05:54):
They?

Speaker 3 (02:05:55):
I was just that's when YouTube said the videos were
going live.

Speaker 2 (02:05:57):
Oh okay, so you're actually going by what YouTube but
he's telling you correct? Okay, all right, well then fine,
maybe somebody with more knowledge of YouTube and uploading dmmy. Yeah,
he can use the help, but well, anyway, we'll have
some fun with that over the next couple of weeks
and we'll do like three versus three and then we'll
match them up tournament style and whichever one you guys

(02:06:18):
vote for, that's the one that's gonna open up the
show for the rest of the season. So we'll have
have some fun with that, and they're pretty clever. Matt
played some snippets earlier in the show if you missed it,
and they're pretty funny. This reminder, it's easy to drink,
it's easy to enjoy. Bud Light is the official beer
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(02:07:04):
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So two thirty join us right here. We'll be here
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but preview week two and then some in the meantime,
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(02:07:25):
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