Patriots Postgame Show 10/12: Full Analysis of Patriots Week 6 Win Over Saints

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Speaker 5 (00:39):
Thank you for checking in here with us. Up to
the Patriots Postgame Show presented by DraftKings. The Patriots taking
another win on the road twenty five to nineteen the
final score there in New Orleans, extending their win streak
to three in a row row. And get this, guys,
their first three game win streak since twenty twenty two. Papoillo,
Mike Duso, Kwandi Lunaz. I know Matt Smith soon, but

(01:01):
what do you make of this win?

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Another great step forward for Drake Man.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
That's where I gotta start.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (01:09):
Shoot out to me?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
What hell if I talked to my mic.

Speaker 8 (01:13):
Sorry, I'm so excited by the way I am, Like
they're just talking like.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I'm just done my apologize. I'm a little bit frazzled.

Speaker 8 (01:21):
You're good, but not to say what I said before
into the mic. Now, No, it's just Drake May you know,
great game for him, Kayshawan, Boody, you know, come out
of the gate throwing the ball down the field. I mean,
this is just you know, an element of the offense.
I think we've talked about for a while that the
offense has lacked just this dimension even when they were
you know, moving the ball back in those days twenty
twenty twenty two. Is a lot of you know, like
what you saw today from the Saints, a lot of

(01:43):
underneath stuff and you know, to see Drake having the
confidence and the time to push the ball down the field,
it was great. Booty was great, Pop Douglas, nice game
for him. Nice to see them do it without digs.
And the last thing I would just say is, you know,
nice job by the defense stepping up at the end
and getting you know, finally forcing some punts. They gave
up a lot of completions today, but you know, it
was still a little hairy down going towards the end

(02:04):
that I was expecting.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Yeah, think of this.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Mostly everything that Mike said I would say about I
would say ninety five percent. That whole last part I
do not co sign with. But Rake May just unbelievable.
I think this was significantly better than last week. Last
week was playground. Last week was I'm an athlete, I'm
going to run around, I'm going to improvise, and every

(02:29):
time I'm going to do it, it's going to work.
Today was just one great decision after another. The pocket manipulation,
his ability to buy a little time here and there,
the accuracy on balls down field. I agree with Mike
about Kasehan Booty, just balls all day, big catches, contested catches,

(02:50):
five targets, five catches, ninety three yards and two touchdowns
to Mario Douglas, really physical today, Like just looked like
he had a little something extra. But it was to me,
it was all about Drake May. I thought the difference
in the game was the Patriots were able to get
some touchdowns and the Saints had a settle for field goals.
Nobody punted. So I don't have anything good to say

(03:11):
about the defense. We'll get to that part drive and
you were able to get off the field. But that's
about all I can say. I mean, I know I
had a Marshal Letta doesn't drop No dropped.

Speaker 8 (03:24):
The bas Christian Ellis's fumble, No, then no credit on
that one either.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a good force fumble. It's
a good force fumble. But it was another drive that
the Saints moved into Patriots territory. Every drive the Patriots
at the Saints had the ball, they moved. Every drive
the Patriots had the ball, they moved. No defense did
a thing today to stop the uh, the opposition. But
to me, Drake May was a little bit better than
Spencer Rattler, especially in the red zone. And when plays,

(03:47):
you know, the big place to get in the end zone,
I should say, not even red jen, it was the
Saints in the red zone. It was Drake May making
big plays to eliminate the red zone as an option. Yeah.
Just I think May was awesome, Yeah, great.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
His poise in the pocket obviously very noticeable to they
very comfortable today and I think it should be noted
a year ago today was his NFL start, his first
start for the Patriots, And so now we've been able
to see. Obviously again that season not as successful as
he wanted it to be. But what would you to
say when you think about the fact that this is

(04:20):
a milestone at this point.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, we grow up.

Speaker 8 (04:23):
I kind of like the way that you know, he
in that game against the Texans last year here he
hit Kai Shan Boudi with a big touchdown down the field,
and that's what he did today. And you know that
to me is just the element that we've been kind
of waiting for. We've talked a lot about do they
have the guy that can even do it? And you know,
maybe now they've made me don't necessarily have that burner

(04:43):
always down there, But it seems like schematically and with
Drake and the way that the offense is sinking up,
they're able to make those big plays down the field.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
And if they can continue to do that, I mean,
what can't they do?

Speaker 8 (04:52):
You know, I mean they'll run the ball, but but
you know, we'll get to that stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
But you know, it was just with you, you can
start getting drun plays because you have the stuff to
digs when they've gotta have it, plays underneath Hunter Henry
here and there. If you can start making chunk plays consistently,
this offense can get very dangerous like it was.

Speaker 8 (05:09):
Today, like Pop Douglas getting lost downfield. I mean, you know,
and you say we should have had two of them,
you know, just really good awareness by him. So just
great to see, especially on the you know, we came
out of last week being like, all right, what else
they got between between May and digs? Like May and
digs the playground thing. That's what they did last year
or last week. But this this week they proved that
they had some other targets that he could go to
and you know, still win again without a running game.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
Well, at that point, I think it's time for us
to get into all of the things that we need
to recap for this game. Let's get into the good,
the bad, and the injured.

Speaker 8 (05:39):
Now it's time for the good, pretty good.

Speaker 9 (05:41):
It's pretty pretty good, the bad.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
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Speaker 1 (06:09):
To just keep it going? We got to just keep
it going. I mean that's just you know, it's it's
eighteen for twenty six, two sixty one and three touchdowns,
nothing resembling an interception, just like I said, manipulating the pocket,
moving around, throwing down the field, keeping his eyes up,

(06:29):
you know, unlike what Chris Collinsworth said in the first
half last week, keeping his eyes downfield, finding targets, allowing
plays to to unfold and develop. Just he played a
pretty flawless game. I'm sure, you know, like the coaches
will go back and look at all the reads that
he missed that we don't notice. But I'd be hard
pressed to find, uh, you know, find a bad play

(06:51):
by by May in this game.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
Yeah, and if I could add to that, I think
the offensive line obviously played a huge role in that
aspect of him being comfortable today, and just the way
that they were able to get these blocks and stops
for him, I thought was very hopeful.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
I mean, were just watching these plays.

Speaker 8 (07:05):
It's just like I'm not used to this, like you know,
and now I'm almost like kind of getting some confidence
in him of like when he does throw it in rhythm.
I'm used to that sometimes, you know, watching opposing quarterbacks
when you drop back you see him step right in
and boom throw. You know that's probably going to be
a completion, you know, with Drake today, That's that's how
it's starting to feel. I just got to talk about
the last play, you know, to seal it though, just
you know, the confidence to go to Booty on that

(07:27):
back throw, back shoulder throw up the sideline, Uh, perfectly placed.
The awareness again by Booty second week in a row
to get down. I mean think he had to do
it twice this week with catches that, you know, getting down.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Understand those plays, I'm not gonna lie. I don't understand.
Like what they deem is in bounds. He had two
feet down and bounds and you got pushed and he
landed out of bounds and it's out of bounds. It's
in bounds. Nobody knows what the rest were, what game
they were, I don't know, don't have any idea what
they were watching.

Speaker 8 (07:54):
Yeah no, but yeah, I just you can't say enough
great things about Drake his development, you know, as he
continues to just look comfortable and looking in command at
the offense, and you know, if you were a Patriots
fan this summer saying what is then this is what
we talk about on our show all the time. It
was like, we can talk about a lot of stuff,
but really what matters is if Drake May takes the
next step forward and you know, surgery take a couple

(08:17):
weeks steps forward, steps forward.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
And also I think when you think about the beginning
of the game, when obviously we're going to get into
the bad eventually, but May finding pop Douglas for that
sixty one yard touchdown that we thought we all agreed
was a touchdown on paper, it gets called back. But
I think also watching the way he was able to
lead them back into the huddle with poise continuously despite
the fact that I love that the offense did not
let the officiating rattle them, because there are multiple times

(08:41):
where yeah, it could have been I was upset. I
was why is Rabel so calm on the sidelines?

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (08:46):
No, there were there were a couple of those, and
you know, those are the kind of calls that that
do test your metal a little bit and your ability
to be melted with tough. I mean, look, we're being honest.
You know, Look, there was a lull. There was a
lull that came out in the second half. They put
three and none of those was ref aided. Yeah, if
we get into rough aid and I'm gonna lose my
mind trying to keep track of what was what. But
you know, that was a little bit of a lull.

(09:07):
And then you know, to come back on the field
though and have a chance to close it out and
then doing it, that's good complimentary football. It wasn't, you know,
perfect today for the whole team. And I think we
can agree there's plenty of areas for this team to improve.
But today you beat a team that you were a
little more talented then, and you beat him by.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
You know, six points. It sounds about right. Mike already
talked about Booty, so I'll take on Douglas. I just
thought that he well, three weeks ago, he didn't get
any targets in the game, and he's getting pats on
the back for throwing blocks. And I think that the
reason that the coach did that was because he didn't

(09:44):
see a drop off in the commitment and the effort
that Douglas had. And you saw that today. It's easy
when you're catching passes like he did. Today, especially early on.
He's a big you know, three catches seventy one yards
in a touchdown and that doesn't count the one that
got taken away. But you just see, I think, you know,
the effort that he's putting forth on some of these plays,

(10:06):
the elusiveness after the catch.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
It's hard.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
It's hard not to feel good for a guy like that.
He had a real rough start of the season. There's
that the play that he broke tackles on.

Speaker 8 (10:16):
Oh that was just you know, on the on the
on the last drive of the first half, where they
throw him this little one right here. Yeah, he runs
with some but I mean that's a you know, that's
a drive, that's a drive starter. He gets out of
bounds and you know, like you feel like, all right here.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
If another receiver did that, I think we probably stopped
the show.

Speaker 10 (10:34):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (10:34):
But he Yeah, he was a good complimentary piece. Credit
to him, and I just was fascinated to see it
happen down the field instead of what we all expect
from Pop Douglas, which is a little short, get.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Open and josh like the little little play action boot
deep over Like that's a nice early game play like
that was you know again This is why I'm so
much happier about what happened today, even I mean last
week obviously was a much bigger win for the team.
I'm just talking about Drake May and the offensive performance.
This was conventional offense today. Now, yes, the Saints made

(11:05):
some mistakes in the secondary, but this was like, we're
going to dial up some plays and we're gonna make throws.
Some of them are going to be open, some of
them aren't, but we're gonna make throws into tight windows.
We're going to make throws down the field that guys
are open on and when that happens, we're going to
be really productive. And it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Well.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Our guy was just a better athlete than the guys
chasing him around, and he made a play that you know,
three people on the planet can make, which is kind
of what the second half was last week. As great
as it was to watch, it was unbelievable to watch.
And I liked today better. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (11:38):
I was just gonna give you a shout out, Paul
for saying they're gonna get Booty involved.

Speaker 7 (11:42):
They got you know, old.

Speaker 8 (11:43):
LSU guy, they got him involved right from the get go,
and you know it did not I know, we talked
about him a little bit, but just to you know,
underline it with you know, a secondary threat, a guy
that you know is clearly has Drake May's trust. And
so now you're starting to see him throw the ball
in tight situations to Diggs.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Now he's wanted also to Booty.

Speaker 8 (12:01):
You're giving him a couple of different places to go
with the ball now that he can feel comfortable. So
it's a it's a great sign for the Patriots offense
to round out their threats.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
You got another one, Mike.

Speaker 8 (12:15):
Yeah, yeah, he was. Yeah, but I know I thought
he was. I thought he was active. I did write
him down on my goods to be honest, and I
agree with Paul generally, there wasn't a whole lot to
write home about Marcus.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
I had Marcus Jones on my good list.

Speaker 8 (12:29):
Yeah, but he but he was involved in a couple
of different Pratt pass breakups.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Third and four early pass breakup that forced a field goal.

Speaker 8 (12:36):
There they're just showing it right there. And then I
think he also had a sack right down get off
the field. Yeah, you know, which again maybe a timely
play call as well, But uh no, I just I
thought Marcus Jones was again, you know that one.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Is I didn't get any tweets on this one about
now maybe grabbing an arm on this one. It's funny.
The officiating in this game was an atrocity. We'll get
to I.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Don't want to get to the back. I can't wait.

Speaker 8 (13:00):
Well, but this yeah, no, I agree with you on
Marc just yeah, yeah, you know it's good back and
I'm going to highlight I gotta highlight Elis just simply
for the for the force fumble.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, it's a big pick play, big play in the
fourth quarter for Elis absolutely kind of.

Speaker 8 (13:16):
A one play on the good list. But you're in
the fourth quarter boom boom boom.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
It's you're right about the other one where he sort
of got himself and the way made a nice pass breakout.
So it was it was two. I agree. I had
Elis too.

Speaker 8 (13:28):
It's just it felt to me, and I mean I
mentioned it in the pregame show that you know their
first two games at home were basically go down to
the last drive. First one went right down to in
their end zone having to make a play. So it
felt to me like that was the direction this game
was heading until it did till ellis it went and
they made the play. Yeah, and then in crunch time,
you know, and that's you know, just another positive thing

(13:48):
overall for the team. Just good play in the crunch
time down the end. I mean, you saw a little
bit last week. You saw it in Miami when they
won earlier this year. Just playing well with the game
on the line. It's a hard thing to do, especially
for a young team that you know, the playing a
lot of rookies game on the line. You've got guys
making plays to close it out, and I think that's
you know, that's a really good sign.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
That's something you can really build confidence off of.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Ye And I actually I'm not already mentioned the O
line earlier, but Will Campbell I wrote him down just
because again overall, the way that they were able to
protect me and give him enough time to execute in
the pocket today, I think that was like he needed that.

Speaker 8 (14:22):
I mean to get the ball, you know, the ability
to get the ball down the field.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
And then they fought.

Speaker 8 (14:26):
I mean, I think, you know, we'll get into some
of the run game stuff because I think.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
That is just a yeah, you know, it was a mess.

Speaker 8 (14:31):
Probably across the board, but that's kind of all I
have for individuals, Paul, do you have any nuance for us?

Speaker 1 (14:39):
I had a just the run defense in general. I
just want to continue to point out I think that
the Saints obviously don't want to have special the offense
on Rattler's shoulders. And I give Ratler credit because without
a running game, he still was able to be every
bitness effective as Drake May was in this game. It
was he he opened my eyes with some of the

(15:01):
throws he made. He probably deserve better. He had at
least two or three balls dropped on him, a coupled
by a lave who's a really good receiver. But the
run defense really forced the Saints to be one dimensional,
you know, Kendre Miller eight for twenty one, Ilo Kamara
ten for thirty one, just nothing really doing on the ground.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
The only positive plays they had was scrambles by Ratler,
which is the same thing for the Patriots. The only
positive running plays they had with scrambles by May.

Speaker 8 (15:30):
The numbers were almost Yeah, they both rushed for seventy
three yards.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, So I would just for an individual play, Mike
and I have a little pet name for Charles Wood,
Chucky Trees. Like Erry knocking the ball away from the lave,
which was absolutely a catch in a fumble. By the way,
him knocking the ball away from the lave on that play,

(15:55):
everybody is going to say, well, why didn't they challenge whatever,
like it's irrelevant, like him not sucking it away prevented
the first down, like that's a that's he forced to
fumble after he had already caught the ball. Pass the
first down sticks. They're going in to get points there,
whether it's a touchdown to take the lead or a
field goal, and then they only would have only needed
a field goal at the end of the game. So

(16:16):
that was enormous. That was an enormous defensive play by
by my boy Chucky Trees.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Well you just cute up the bad then, because now
we can just talk about all the bad officiating, which
was at the top of him.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I also had a couple of things. I had the
you know, old school Mike double score. You know, you
get a nice two minute drive at the end of
the first half, ends with a booty touchdown, get the
ball to start the second half. Minor points off for
stumbling on first and goal from the one or from
the two or whatever. They had the ball down of
the one they couldn't couldn't quite punch it in. But good,

(16:49):
good job with the double score. Three red zone stops
in this game, an area the Patriots have really been
struggling in so far this year. So the difference in
this game with those three red zone steps, right, you know,
like I said, Rattler just couldn't throw the throw the
ball into the end zone. Well, you know, a lobby
couldn't catch it when he was there, and may had

(17:10):
had three dimes, you know, for touchdowns, and you win
the game by six points. The football math is pretty
obvious in this one. You were getting seven when they
were getting three, and you end up winning the game
by six. So those red zone stops were huge and
just one minor thing. I know it wasn't a big
game for him, but Stefan Diggs is just a professional.

(17:32):
He's just a professional. Three catches, three targets, twenty eight yards,
all resulting in first downs. I believe one of them
was on a key fourth down in the first drive
of the second half. I recall little quick slant. This
might be it right here, fourth and three boom, pitching catch,
easy as can.

Speaker 8 (17:49):
Be imagine if he didn't blatantly push off on that
T ball.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
All right, now we can move on. I'm going to
have to excuse myself and said.

Speaker 8 (18:00):
Well, I mean I'll start us off with the rest
because it's just like I'm not usually somebody, you know,
I think they get some, you get some. But when
there's just no rhyme or reason to any of the
calls and you have no idea what you're supposed to do,
sometimes it's a penalty. Sometimes it's not a penalty, you know,
it's just it's I struggle to remember a time when
it cost two huge like fifty yard plays, took them

(18:21):
off the book for plays that you had to go
back and put them under the microscope to see what
was it.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
The to Mario Tagolas one is patently absurd, and I'm
going to guess that there's not a person that's ever
brefed an NFL game that would say that's a penalty.
The second one, I think there's a lot of guys
that would have called, but I would I would like
right now, if Chris, if you could give me the
one to Booty, the touchdown to Booty in the end
zone at the end of the half, the one that's

(18:47):
contested with. I think it's McKinstry if you could give
me you know that in a second. I want to
just show you just how absurd the officiating was in
this game, because I think it's a good illustration of
it's a penalty there, it's not a penalty there, and
they're just no rhyme or reason. You know, I was
joking around, Marcus Jones got a piece of Lave's arm

(19:12):
in the end zone. It's not a penalty. It wasn't
a penalty. They didn't call it then, but you know
then everybody's looking for the call on mac Collins later.
The difference between us and the like. I don't think
that the referees were out to give the Saints the
win today. I think the referees are just so bad
that they don't have any idea what they're doing. I mean,

(19:33):
one time, he's calling the penalty the wrong way. What
if you watch this, there's a little bit of a
push right there. Yeah, that's not really any different than
what Diggs did on the deep ball. You could have
called both of them, you could have called neither of them.
But my point is they don't have any idea. They

(19:53):
just flip coins and I don't really understand it. I
don't really understand it. And like I said, there's at
one point point that the guy is calling the penalty
to the wrong side, like the cameras on. I mean,
like these guys are NFL rest, they know where they're
supposed to be looked. There's just no control of the game.
That's the best way I can put it. There's no
control of the game. And for them to call the

(20:14):
one the offensive pass interference on on Diggs early in
the game running a route like five yards eight yards
for I didn't even see the flat late flight guys
and see it. I don't understand it. I don't know.
It just doesn't make any sense to me. Poor report
on this one.

Speaker 8 (20:31):
Probably think the report need to ask about that.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, I mean my guess is we won't get the
questions that we need answer. But I'm just I'm tired
of this. There was an illegal shift I think they called.
Stevenson and Diggs were in motion at the same time.
Stevenson's in the backfield standing next to Drake May to
May's left for the entirety of the pre play, and

(20:55):
yes he moved around, but like, why is that it's
not a penalty that happens like every play, Like, I
just I don't understand. It was a rant that I
went on this week with these illegal formations, these illegal shifts,
why they've suddenly become so prevalent in the NFL. There's
no linebacker that's ever been fooled by what Remondre Stevenson
was doing on that play. I'm just I'm just tired

(21:18):
of it. I like, I know everybody, everybody was looking
for this. For me, I don't want to watch these
games anymore. I don't find that was a really exciting
game with a lot of big plays, and I found
it boring because every play that happened, I just said, oh,
there was no flag on that play or flag like
that's what I That's what I'm reduced to watch it.

(21:38):
That was a good game today, that was you know,
I give the Saints credit. They were a little bit
better than I thought they were because I think the
Patriots played really really well today and they they couldn't
get any separation from a team that I thought was
one of the worst teams in football. So unfortunately, the
refs ruined the enjoyment of it for me because I
just was looking for a flag on every play. I know.

Speaker 8 (22:00):
Well, here's this one too, which is just oh yeah, right,
and somehow, now is the side judge here who's right
next to it?

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Is he? No, it's the guy from the back that
sees that it's a push.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
Like.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
I'm not saying he didn't do it. I'm just saying,
be have some consistency to the way you call it.
That's all I'm asking for. I'm not suggesting that like
he just created a phantom penalty. I'm just saying that
happens on a lot of back shoulder plays, and they
just pick and choose when they call it. They're impacting games.

Speaker 8 (22:29):
I know if the Patriots had lost this one, maybe
it would have been sick about those couple of plays.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
But and that's what I think. The beauty of it
is that despite.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
I don't even like the holding call on Chase On
early in the game. I know that like the guy
had the arm up, but I think Chase On slipped
which caused the arm like Kelvin Banks's arm to come up. Now,
I mean, it looks really bad when you see it.
I know why you called it. I just they'd be
better off if they just put someone out there, put
a robot out there to spot the ball, and just
let let them play. Like they get in the way

(22:57):
every game, they get in the way. They just rup
the flow.

Speaker 8 (22:59):
Brutal, brutal, and it's making me and I don't usually
do this, like I want to look up the rest before.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
The game to be like, what are we in for?
What are these guys? I'm the opposite. I don't want
to know who these guys are, but somehow I do,
somehow I know who every one wants you to know,
they want you to know. Well, I promise I'm done
all right, Well until Tuesday when Fred tells me that
they were all good calls.

Speaker 8 (23:20):
Yeah, well, let's move on to the running game, because
we've been kind of flirting with that all day. Thirty
one carries, seventy three yards two point four yards. The
only difference was the Saints only had twenty three carries,
so they had three point two yards, but similarly ineffective.
And you know, Paul, you said it. Some of the
talking points this week for the advanced analytics were like,
you know, they're getting what's blocked and that not much more.

(23:42):
There was not much blocked there today either, no, they.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Were actually saying the opposite. They should have even had
more because there's blocks that are there for yards to
be gained and they're not getting them. And I can't
I lost all the ones were showing right here. Of
how many of these there were today, I'm sorry, I
don't know how many yards Stevenson could have gotten on
that if he had just made the proper Kie Pitt
the one. But poor Henderson in the fourth quarter got
hit as he as he had the ball. He was

(24:05):
like two yard lost before he like could even approach
the line of scrimmage, let alone.

Speaker 8 (24:10):
I mean, it'll be obviously, I think today with the
negative runs, because there were a number of you know,
this is one right here. I mean, they just they
just have nothing with the That's the one I think
I was thinking of, which makes it, you know, kind
of more remarkable that they were still able to throw
the ball, and you know, I think that was maybe
part of why the Patriots offense stagnated in the third
quarter and started to just kind of, you know, couldn't

(24:32):
really move the ball anymore. Now they get into I mean,
so it's I'm not sure what the answer is because
they're down to two guys right now, you didn't see
you know, Terrell Jennings get any carries. They put it
on Remandree credits for Mare and you know Henderson. They
were safe with the ball despite the workload. But overall,
it's just it's gonna be a really hard way to
live and this, you know, if this team does have

(24:52):
aspirations of not just winning, you know, more than four games,
but trying to make some noise and get into the playoffs,
like you're gonna have to find a way to run
the ball. And it's just it's just surprising because of everything.
When you look at their offensive line, I thought, right, well,
I think maybe they'll be able to run the ball.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I don't know how well they're going to pass protect.

Speaker 8 (25:08):
But you know, when it's really been the opposite, which
is one of the biggest surprises to me. Not sure
what the answer is, but I'm sure that's going to
be your talking point du jour this week. What's up
with the running game? How do they get it going?

Speaker 5 (25:18):
And obviously the last few weeks the conversation has been
Romandre Stevenson and you know, the fumbles and his lack
of production so to speak, on offense, but are you
okay with the fact that he is still getting more
touches than Henders in it.

Speaker 8 (25:30):
I mean, they just don't have a choice. You know,
it's like what else are they going to do? Like
all you know, clearly they're not ready to say, hey,
Terrell Jennings, let's give you a chance and see what
you can do with think you know there he's a
breaking the glass in case of emergency kind of guy.
So whether it's looking maybe at the trade deadline as teams,
you know, fall out of the playoff race, maybe somebody's
willing to deal somebody. But you know, it's hard to
see them surviving the next two and a half months

(25:52):
with just these two running backs and not just surviving,
but making like a thriving running game out of them.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
I think they might need to find some help. Yeah,
I mean, I agree, it's got to be Stevenson. They're
not getting anything from anybody else either. You know, if
there was another guy coming in, you know, every once
in a while, you know, you just changed the back
and it suddenly looks different, then I'd be all four, Hey,
sometimes let's see what it looks like, you know, with Henderson,
Let's see what it looks like with Gibson, obviously they

(26:17):
don't have the option. With Gibson, Henderson has been you know, ineffective,
and it's not I don't put it on him. I
don't put it on Stevenson or Henderson. I don't think
there's been a tremendous amount of running room. He averaged
three yards to carry today. Three you know, that's that's
that's not good now. Stevenson was one point four. Like,
I mean, they combined for twenty two carries for what

(26:40):
forty five yards? That's just not going to get it done.
Those are your two lead ball carriers. I mean you try,
I mean, twenty two carries are good number. Try to
get number they gave. They gave him chance, you know,
they gave him opportunities early to get the running game going.
It didn't happen. They gave him opportunities late to run
the clock out, it didn't happen. They had to throw
the ball to to get their last two first downs

(27:01):
to end the game. I don't know what the answer is,
but it's just not been good enough so far.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
Got Pop Douglas on the line, perfect, We're welcoming in
Pop Douglas.

Speaker 8 (27:15):
Hey, Pop, Hey, there you are.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
You might want to sideways.

Speaker 8 (27:29):
Hey Papa, how did you How did you get so
free for those big games? What are you doing playing
down the field like that?

Speaker 6 (27:33):
Man?

Speaker 8 (27:33):
It was it cool to see you making those big plays.

Speaker 7 (27:37):
Hey God, I.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Can't hear can you hear us?

Speaker 11 (27:45):
All right?

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah? Okay?

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Cool?

Speaker 8 (27:48):
So just what was what was you guys your thought
going into this game? Was there an emphasis on trying
to push the ball down the field because it seemed
like you guys came out just chucking it.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Oh you know, you know the game playing was you know,
just go and play.

Speaker 12 (28:03):
It just happened to be like that, me down the
field and I'm blessed.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
So tomorrow. I also liked there was a I think
it was the last drive of the first half of
the two minutes drill they get it started? Mike, Is
that the one?

Speaker 4 (28:18):
You know?

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Quick little uh screen out to you. You got a
full head of steam and you look like rimondre Stevenson
and the moving the pile four on that get the
drive started? Uh?

Speaker 12 (28:28):
I wondered their bands just hurry up and get out
of bounds and get the first down.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
I was gonna say, Pop, you've been around here for
a little while.

Speaker 8 (28:39):
You know, it's been a while since we've seen three
wins in a row, two on the road back to back.
You know, what can you just say about the energy
in the locker room after this third straight win for
you guys.

Speaker 12 (28:48):
Uh, let's absolute the guys man, you know, uh and
uh man started started bringing together and then you know,
players up close to and not getting.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
For each other.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
Well, thank you so much for breaking up. So we
congratulated and go enjoy the wind and.

Speaker 8 (29:15):
Thanksving see you back in Foxborough, say.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Travels so soon you get back. Yeah, we had some
issues with with his audio, but you can see the
smile on his face, and you can tell the locker room,
you know, seriously like that site. You know, all they
heard all week was that was great. But that was good.
But you know, beat Buffalo, but doesn't matter if you
can't beat New Orleans. So I thought that was you

(29:42):
can see that on his face. And for him individually,
as I mentioned at the top, you know you're gonna
trying month of September for him, month of October looks
like it's it's trending in the right direction for him,
and I think it kind of looked like that. You know,
you think he was relieved to make some place and yeah,
be a big contributor.

Speaker 8 (30:01):
No, for sure, it's good, you know, good to see him.
I mean, I know it's been tough for him. I
mean there's been a couple of times where people like,
where's Pop, you know, and and he did have a
really good summer. He seemed like he was really involved
in It's just a reminder that you need everybody and
somebody maybe doesn't have an overly productive September.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
You don't cut bait and move on and give up
on guys.

Speaker 8 (30:21):
You need guys to stay with the program, stay focused
and be ready for games like this because you know
they're gonna need everybody, and especially that receiving room and
especially the running backs.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
They're gonna need everybody.

Speaker 8 (30:30):
So you know, even if some things aren't going great
right now, they're gonna need to find a way to
continue to round this offense.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Out like we saw today with with Pop and Booty.

Speaker 8 (30:37):
And you know, if those guys continue to deliver and
giving Drake options, it's a good thing for this offense.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
Anymore good and.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Uh, we're back to the bad so bad. Yeah, we'll
pick it up games so Uh, yeah, Mike talked about
the running game, just so that that sequence at the
end of that the end of the drive to open
the second half, they're down there, third and goal from
the one, and they get a I think they they

(31:06):
got they lost some yards, made it to the four,
and then they get a delay a game which puts
it back to the eight. Just bad, bad, bad sequence there,
bad situational football. You get the ball inside the five
goal to go inside I think it was to the
either to the two or the one. You got to
score touchdowns first and goal from inside the five. You

(31:29):
got to get touchdowns, and they didn't. And part of
the reason they didn't is, you know, their own sloppiness
with the penalties again, their inability to run the ball
on the first two plays they gave Stevenson. I think
Stevens had got a yard on first down. I think
he lost two yards on second out, maybe three. But
a bad, bad sequence there. I didn't like that.

Speaker 8 (31:48):
Yeah, kind of struggle with like how to say this one,
because I felt like this game unfolded a lot like
I thought it was going to, and that Spencer Rouler
was going to throw a lot of short passes and
the Patriots were gonna have to come up in and
that largely bore itself out. But you know, the third
down numbers are okay for them, but it's just first
and second down, like and I almost want to say

(32:08):
specifically second down, where they were just getting carved up
the whole game.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
So maybe I'll just say second down team me let
me start second because I couldn't possibly agree with you more.
But who would you say played better offensively? Take the
Patriots are the Saints.

Speaker 8 (32:21):
I mean I'd probably say the Saints were a little
more consistent.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
So I would say the Patriots were the better offensive team. Right,
they scored more touchdowns, blah blah blah blah blah. They
were six to thirteen on third down. They had thirteen
third downs. Saints only had nine third downs all day. Yeah,
that's my thing. To the second town defense point, they

(32:46):
didn't need three downs to get first downs most of
the day. They only punted twice.

Speaker 8 (32:50):
Yeah, right, Like, I'm glad that backs me up because
to your point, first down, the run defense, I mean,
generally speaking pretty solid.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
I mean there were a lot of you know, to
run defense, so rendfense was good.

Speaker 8 (33:01):
And then you get to second down, and it just
felt like Rattler's doing pitch and catch with guys. So
I don't know what the answer is there, because you
know he's good at that, and I know that that's
kind of, you know, vaguely how Tom Brady and the
Patriots kind of wanted to just boom over and over
and over, and you know, but at the same time,
you have to figure that there are going to be

(33:22):
maybe an interception, maybe a drop. You know, there's nobody's
going to complete one hundred percent of their passes, and
as the volume stacks up, you hope that mistakes start
to happen. They lived by like a paper thin margin.
They needed every play they got today. But I just
it sounds weird, But I guess I'm sticking with second
down defense and now I look forward to punching the
numbers where I like it, do I like it?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Because they didn't make them get to throw down very
often until until later in the game, you know, and
that's when you give yourself a chance on thirty three
and nine on third time, I mean, give yourself a
chance you can get off the field. They weren't giving
themselves a chance. I mean, there were too many, too
many long drives today, and I thought you're right about Rattler.

(34:05):
You know, he did complete a lot of short passes,
but he also had guys open deep from the first
pass of the game. Another one that that they Carlton
Davis had to commit a penalty to prevent another long pass,
which I think should have been caught. Anyway, A lot
of it is like really really good, but he I
thought he failed to make a number of catches today

(34:27):
that he could have made. I'm flying, yeah this one,
So I mar so this is this is Kyle Doug
You getting getting run right by here. Okay. So he's
the guy that you have in place of Jalen Hawkins today,
So you decide to put him on an island against
the other team's best receiver in blitz on the first
play of the game out of the slot. Carlton Davis,

(34:48):
I didn't really understand some of those things. Now, I
don't want to be a hypocrite. The blitz with Marcus
Jones late in the game ends up being a great
call and it ends up working. Not because it worked,
it was a great call. I think at that time
of the game where I think you have a better
athlete sort of chasing down making sure that Rattler can't
get out of the pocket. I didn't like that that
they had an all out blitz on two of the

(35:09):
first four plays of the game, and one of them
they ended up getting away with. They got the third
down pass defense by Marcus Jones on a lobby. You
had good coverage on a lot of it. I didn't
really see the need to blitz Rattler like that, and
why not see if he can prove that he can
you know he can beat you first? Were overly aggressive.

Speaker 8 (35:29):
Yeah, reminded me a little bit of the Raiders game,
or I think jam Hawkins got put in a similar
position you have. You are a little different yet a
zero blitz coming, but that safety is kind of in
no man's lamb, where it's like the blitz is coming,
We're expecting the ball to come out quick, so be ready.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
You might be able to pick it off.

Speaker 8 (35:45):
But where Rattler there steps up and buys himself a
little time, and now instead of the ball coming out quick,
the ball's coming out a little bit later and you're
getting run by and it could be a big play.
It's just I heero Paul saying, sometimes these these aggressive
blitz has put safeties.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
In a really tough position.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I mean, that's five yards of separation right there, and
he's got a head full of steam and you're thinking
the balls either coming out right now or you know
what I think. And I know this is silly. It's
NFL football and it's not it shouldn't matter this much,
but like, don't you think an underdog like the Saints
getting a play like that on the first play of
the game just inject's energy and believability. Yeah, absolutely, right

(36:21):
off to go like that to me was an ill time.
I don't want to beat up on it too much.

Speaker 8 (36:26):
Interesting, well, interesting first play of the game.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Scratch what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (36:29):
I mean, it's, you know, it speaks to their aggressiveness,
but at the same time, it's you know, sometimes you're
going to be a little overaggressive, but you know, lived
by the Blitz, die by the Blitz.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
That's kind of their philosophy. And so I had There's
another sequence, the one drive that did not result in
points in the first half, third and seven from roughly
with the forty four yard line forty three yard line
of New Orleans. It was just a flat Stevenson draw
up the middle, Like, I'm like, what are we doing? Yea,

(36:58):
Like they haven't stopped a pass yet. Yeah, what Drake Cook,
you know, let's let's move the chains so it gets
stuffed so they don't get it. They go forward on
fourth down, which I didn't hate going forward on fourth down.
I would have kicked the field goal fifty seven I
think it was fifty eight yard field goal something like that.
I would have kicked the field goal. I would have

(37:19):
given it a shot. But they went for it and
then you know, it gets exacerbated by Brad Berry had
an errand snap and they end up getting stopped. But
I thought that was weird. Yeah, you know that whole thing,
you know, Yeah, just the decision to do that.

Speaker 8 (37:34):
Yeah, the only the only thing I thought along, Yeah,
the only the only thing I thought.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
And I and I you know, agree with that.

Speaker 8 (37:39):
The play caller we're seeing right here on the replay,
and I would just say that I think it was
maybe a player or two before.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
There was a run where it said there's some room inside,
you know.

Speaker 8 (37:47):
I think we both commented like so I almost could
see like what Josh was tempted by. I think with like,
I don't know it seems like they're a little space inside.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
You know that that that's kind of him.

Speaker 8 (37:56):
I think sometimes he takes a shot at those and
when they don't work, it's terrible. And when they do work,
he's a genius. So this is one of the ones
that didn't work, and he's not a genius. But no,
I agree, just some of the sequencing not great. But
at the same time, I'm trying not to have the
same feeling that you had the last two years with
the offense, where when you miss points it was devastating
because you don't know if you're.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Getting you're getting back down there again.

Speaker 8 (38:19):
And so you know, I think Drake is starting to
instill a little bit of flexibility and that all right,
you know, we do have some some play ability.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
He allows you to go for these fourth downs. Yeah,
he's such a threat. Yeah. Problem decision making is athleticism everything.

Speaker 8 (38:35):
We talk about that for a seconds, just the decision making.
I mean, just let's talk about it, you know, because
I think that was one of the things that scared
me most about him, and even into the first game
of the season, I think that's what people were killing
Drake may for. You know, still low key worriespe Well Henderson,
the Henderson, like once or twice again he does something
that I say, oh boy, yeah, well that was the
one today, right, And it's and it's like that fine

(38:56):
line between wanting a guy who's creative and kind of
fear us in certain moments, and I guess there's a
fine line between fearless and stupid.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
You know, it's and I guess it just depends on if.

Speaker 8 (39:06):
The play works or not, but just his ability to
be safe with the ball. And you know, there were
a couple of sprays today, but none that really killed you.
I thought, I think maybe it's like the second or
third of the last drive or a couple of whoa where.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Was that one? Was weird? Like it just kind of
looks different when he throws the ball to Kyle Williams. Yeah,
that's a good point. That was a couple today that
were off, But I mean he still was like sixty
just a shade under seventy percent. Oh no.

Speaker 8 (39:29):
So I just you know, I just think that progress
has been really remarkable from him and just something that,
to be honest, was my biggest like concern of just
you know, is there always going to be one or
two plays per game where he's going to make a
bad decision, put the ball in harm's way, and and
and he's really been Yeah, that's that's good.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Good pull guys there.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
And I think these maybe these are Kyle Williams, which
is kind of strange.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And now you're right, and you just
wonder if you know that has anything to do with Kyle.
I'm not trying to blame on the wrong spot. I'm
not trying to blame the rookie. But now you're right,
just wondering, Bogules missed the landing zone again today, and
it's just don't like giving up three yards. Don't give
up three yards. It's the landing zone. Pop never pop. Yeah,

(40:12):
that's that's kind of it. Yeah. I mean, at the
end of the game, in the fourth quarter, you're trying
to protect a six point lead, you got a third
and seven, you commit three straight penalties. I know one
of them was the offensive interference on Digs, but you
had already committed penalties to make that kind of a
prayer three in a row, you know, So just the
sloppiness there. You got to tighten it up and games

(40:34):
on the line.

Speaker 8 (40:34):
I mean, what did you do you went from like
a third and seven to then like a third and
twelve and twenty seven twenty seven, three straight called you
know twice you thought you had it. It's just that
was a frustrating sequence.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
And yeah, the third and seventeen is the one that
they converted on the bomb to digs. Yeah, two digs,
and then they called offensive interference to make a third
and twenty seven the one that they had to heave
up to Hollins that ended up getting incomplete. But yeah,
too many. You know, that was the original third and
seven conversion to Hollands across that got called back for holding,

(41:09):
I believe right, Yeah, was it holding? No, that was
the shift, That was the shift. You are you're right,
that one was the one that really bugged me. What
do we got here from Moses? Yeah, that one was
a false start. So that's the three straight painters, the
illegal shift, then the then the false start, then the
offensive interference. So you can't do that. You can't, like

(41:32):
you're trying to put the game away, You can't. You
can't just allow the other team to stop you but
by your just by stopping yourself. That's just you can't.
Can't play it that way. But this is nitpicking season.
That's the other thing is. And I'm gonna guess we're
going to get some calls. They're gonna be like, you know,

(41:52):
they won the game, they won three in a row.
We're treating you like a good team. Now you're four
and two, you're in the playoff structure as we stand now,
we're treating you as such. So these are the kinds
of things that get you beat when you play good teams,
no question, that's what we're talking about. We're not talking
about comparing it to the four and thirteen of last
year or the four and thirteen of the year before.

(42:13):
We're talking about comparing you to other teams that expect
to be playing in February.

Speaker 8 (42:18):
Yeah, and that's you know, the running game is clearly
not good enough. And I just you know, I wonder
about the defense. I wonder where they early are. They
scare me, you know, it's like they've been kind of
winning by the skin of their teeth.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
People say, to your point, for your positive, your positivity
about the defense. They have found a way to make
the plays when they need to be made. They don't
always look good during the course of the game, but
they haven't given up that backbreaking drive to lose a
game yet, and they've had opportunities in virtually every game
except for the Carolina one. Yeah, just to kind of

(42:52):
feel will the real defense step up?

Speaker 8 (42:55):
I mean, I love the run defense, and I think
that's really been an element that's won me over, you know,
but it's just it hasn't really seemed to come together
yet for them, and I just I'm interested to hear
about the defensive approach to this game because it again
like it's lined out kind of like I thought it would.
And you know, do you want to be more good?
Because it felt like they were aggressive at times, but

(43:15):
at the same time, it just felt.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Like everything was open underneath.

Speaker 8 (43:18):
You know, there were so many times, like I talked about,
the quarterback drops, back drops back to pass in rhythm
and you're like, yep, here comes a completion just because
you can tell by the way he throws the ball.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
There are way too many of those tonight.

Speaker 13 (43:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Credit to Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 8 (43:31):
Maybe you know he's maybe he is, you know, an
okay quarterback, and I think, you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Kind of like what I think they wanted. A lout
of Mac Jones, a couple of years ago. Just take
the easy stuff. Take the easy stuff.

Speaker 8 (43:40):
But the problems we see is that it's hard to
sustain it through a whole game.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
That is true, it is it is hard. The defense
you said, you know, like you're looking for the real
the real deal. I think this is kind of what
what passes his defense now? Crazy, But I think that
Zack a big place. Well, a lot of sacks. They've
made some big plays, like you know, the ones that
we highlighted from Marcus Jones, I thought were really big plays.

(44:09):
Those were Gonzales last week. You know, when the game
needs to be won, you've been able to make a play.
Uh here and there it was. You know, it was
Milton Williams with the sack against Miami to to win,
you know, to hold on and win that one. At
some point. It's a tough way to play if you'll
just let the other team move the ball every time
they get it. You know, they don't force a lot

(44:29):
of punts. Let's just put it that way. They don't
force a lot of punts. And only two today?

Speaker 8 (44:34):
Yeah great Gray, Uh moving on to the injured. Yeah, yeah,
well I thought I thought Harold Landry thought, hey see
next year of the game, and.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
The CBS report told us he went into the tent
for six minutes and right back into the game.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
That's uh, that's pretty remarkable. I mean, you watched this
right here. I just like his leg is kind of down,
Like I thought there was a chance that that was
going to be maybe just maybe just a hyper extension.
I say, just just a sprain. But I think they
thought on the broadcast though, that looked like a ton
aco or something. But hopefully he's dodged a bullet. Yeah, well,

(45:12):
you know, we'll see. Sometimes you don't know the full
extent of those until you get checked out.

Speaker 8 (45:16):
And yeah, I mean he's a critical part of the
team and that to me, losing him would just be
a humongous blow.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
And that's my concern about the team in general is
I just think it's razor thin in terms of depth,
and you lose you know, you know, a half dozen
quality players that they have, they don't really have a
lot of people behind it.

Speaker 8 (45:34):
He's one of those, and he's one of those that,
like you pull him out, especially with the injuries that
they've had at that position, where I mean it was like,
oh boy, what.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Did you see Mike when they when they took him out,
that like that that handful of plays he was out,
look like there were four to three.

Speaker 8 (45:47):
Yeah, it looked like they brought Tavay on and they
went more like a heavy four to three kind of
a look instead of you know that like four to two.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Look they've been playing mostly so yeah, I'll look at that.

Speaker 8 (45:55):
I mean, he came back in, gave him back the
flexibility they need it. But yeah, he's he's huge, really
hugely important, and you got to imagine he really wants
to play next week.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
I guess the Titans. I thought it was interesting on
early downs with the four men in front, they had
Milton Williams outside, you know, with Tonga and bar More
inside and Chase on obviously different then on sub packages
they went back to the inside, Like I like to,
I set Mike up the defense because my five te
I claims that he's a defense guy. So I think

(46:25):
I learned about you. I feed.

Speaker 8 (46:28):
I gotta break the film down. It's how I'm writing,
and it's too much happening. That's why I got to
check the film on that one.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
But that's the beauty of me. I don't don't I don't.

Speaker 8 (46:36):
Doesn't need it, doesn't need to do extra I saw
all those penalties once.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
I didn't need to see all those penalties. I'm definitely
gonna go back and watch those. Uh.

Speaker 8 (46:43):
Carlton Davis had his you know weekly I'm down, I'm up,
I'm back. You know me usually usually used to come
back in he's okay, and he's okay.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
Exactly as long as he's okay.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Did they say he was evaluated for a concussion? So
Spotterer got him, the spoder might have gotten him.

Speaker 10 (46:59):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (46:59):
And then Marcus Jones looked like he was a little
banged up to you on that Chucky Trees forced fumble
which was in complete down for a while, but that
he was back into. So that was those all three returned,
all three on defense. But you know, talk about living
on that, you know, thin Ice. It's just that's that's
the big thing we talk about the run game. We
can talk about, you know, some of the plays they

(47:21):
gave up on defense, but ultimately, really I think the
thing out of the surface is just the depth of
the team and that you know, if you do pull
out a Harold Landry or Will Campbell or a Robert
Spillane you know, it's you don't have a lot of
a lot of depth or young depth to like hold
the fort for for any amount of time. So staying
healthy is a huge key for every team. You know,
this time, you just never know what the season is

(47:41):
going to draw. Good injury luck, bad injury luck. So
far they've been they've been really lucky. So hopefully that
knock on wood continued.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
All right, Well, we're getting some calls in of course,
Christian in La another regular high Christian.

Speaker 9 (47:57):
And hey, you guys, a win to a little sloppy,
a little disjointed, but a win nonetheless. But that's not
the good news. The good news is we won and
looked pretty good and haven't played our best football yet.

Speaker 10 (48:11):
Which we do believe is coming.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I don't know about that. Secondly, they played pretty well today.

Speaker 9 (48:18):
Well, we won the game, we didn't turn the ball over,
we didn't give up a bunch of points. That's a
pretty good win in the NFL. Everybody played hard in
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
I agree, I think they played pretty well today. I'm
disagreeing with you saying they didn't. I think they played well.

Speaker 9 (48:32):
No, I said it was a little sloppy, a little disjointed.
But the good news is that we didn't play our
best football.

Speaker 7 (48:38):
Yet, that's the good news.

Speaker 9 (48:40):
Secondly, it's kind of a parent that Kyle Williams and
Drake may aren't getting enough rests together in practice because
he seems to have pretty good rhythm and timing with
every other receiver except Kyle Williams. And then lastly, I
got two new phrases they used to have, let Russ Cook,
I got let Drake base and big beautiful Booty.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
That was that was too much.

Speaker 8 (49:06):
Well, you know, look, that's why you see Kyle Williams
getting the snaps that he gets. And I mean he
was a little there was, you know, a few targets
today whereas I think the last couple of weeks there
have been one or two maybe, So you know, they're
trying to get him going. It is a little bit
of a work in progress. It's also been a work
in progress with Pop Douglas, who had a good game today,
and Booty's been up and down too, So you know, again,

(49:26):
I just think it's it's about patients. But I love
Kyle Williams' skill set. I think, you know, he's a
guy that really could contribute. They need him to continue
to develop and if injuries hit, he's the next man,
you know, into a more significant playing role. So hopefully
if that does happen, by that point, he's a little
bit more up to speed. But I agree, I mean,
you Paul called it out at real time saying it
just looks a little bit disjointed between those guys right now.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, with with Kyle Williams, I would say that I
agree with the disjointed For the team, I don't think
that they look disjointed like that. The worry to me
heading into the game was, you know, people were like,
I don't know if I'm going to call it a
tr game, but you know, would they not be ready
to play? Nope, they were ready to go. They were
absolutely ready to go. Offensively, they were on fire to

(50:10):
start the game. And I thought they played really well.
And you know, I give the Saints credit. I thought
Saints played really well too, and they stayed with them.
You know, it was a good game. I mean, it
was a competitive, good competitive game, back and forth all day.
I just say, I.

Speaker 8 (50:24):
Hope we haven't seen their best football yet. But how
do you know you haven't seen their best football yet?
You know, like how do you know that this isn't
this is what they are. I mean, it's a really
good offense.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
And I don't know, you just go touchdowns the first
three times you have the ball today, No, like you
just did you do that every week? I mean they
played well today.

Speaker 8 (50:39):
Yeah, now they're they're putting it together. There's still things
to be put together. But you know, like you said, Paul,
now we're starting to evaluate them on like a real
contender report card. And you know, they're if you can't
run the football and you get to the winter months,
especially around here, where you know it's going to be
a little bit harder to throw the ball. Drake is
in the most experienced quarterback playing in cold weather. So

(50:59):
you know that to me is a huge part of
the puzzle.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
We'll see.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
All right, let's take it to Houston where Paul is.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Hi, PAULA, all right, so today's game.

Speaker 14 (51:18):
What can I say? The phrase is not getting old here.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
With let's fast. I think he said we got our guy.

Speaker 14 (51:26):
I know Fred's not there today.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
We got our guy.

Speaker 14 (51:30):
Yeah, I mean, Drake is the real deal. He played
a great game today. As you said earlier, Paul, every
decision you know, there is nothing close to an interception,
So nothing to complain about there. But the defense, Oh
my goodness, we've got some issues. I mean, we couldn't stop.
We couldn't stop a league. You know, neither team funded

(51:55):
until midwies with the third quarter. So I think we've
got some adjustments to make their I know it was
a major scare when Landry went out and went to
the medical tent. We can't afford to miss that guy.
But so I know we won the game. Everybody was
expecting for us to have a let down. I do
have something to nit tick about. So if this is

(52:17):
the way we're gonna play, and we're playing ahead when
it's time to win the game, and we're becoming so
predictable with running the ball on every first down, when
you're playing against good teams and they can dial in
and be ready to you know, be able to predict
what we're running like that, I mean, with the defense

(52:38):
playing like that, this is not a recipe for you know,
for a winning team in late November December, you know,
going into the playoffs. And I'll take this off line, thanks, Paul.

Speaker 8 (52:50):
Yeah, I mean that's just you know, that's what we
were just talking about.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
And you know is it.

Speaker 8 (52:55):
I mean, I think it's all connected and that's the thing.
And they're going to say, you know, we need to
all you know, the line's to do better job blocking,
and the running backs you need to do a better.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Job of getting what's there.

Speaker 8 (53:03):
But it's just, you know, there's just no dynamic element
of the running game right now, so it's just three
yards and a cloud of dust that its best.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
I would just push back a little bit. If you
want to be a good team, like you said, like
you can't do that against good teams. If you want
to be a good team, that's exactly when you have
to be able to run the ball when the other
team knows you're running it. That's how you put games away.
You don't want to rely on your quarterback for absolutely everything.
In the last two weeks you kind of had to

(53:29):
do that offensively. So I agree what Paul said. It's
a nitpicking kind of thing. You're running the ball on
first down. They need to run it more effectively on
first down. You know when they're doing it. The problem
is they just haven't been able to Mike had the numbers,
you just haven't been able to do anything running the ball.
Just a little bit on Rattler.

Speaker 8 (53:49):
I just you know, he completed seventy seven percent of
his passes today. You know, he had seventy four against
the forty nine ers. He had seventy two percent against
the Sea.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
I mean this.

Speaker 8 (54:01):
You know the other two games were you know, sixty
six sixty seventh. So I mean he's a guy that's
going to complete a lot of passes. I just, you know,
I don't know how you disrupt that. And I mean
that's kind of the player he's becoming. And I mean
I like the approach. Just the big plays bother me
and I just I wonder if so this we just plays.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
This is my issue today, I say, this is what
I'm going to push back a little bit because of
the the Mike Dusau defensive guru thing. So this is
Mike and I I never claimed to be like we're
like Mutt and Jeff. So this is this is the
Saints because you brought up the Saints coming into the game.
You know, like, this is what Rattler has done. Alave

(54:38):
average seven point four yards to catch heading into today,
Camara average four point five, Brandon Cook's eight point six,
Juwan Johnson nine point two. Okay, Elave average sixteen point
three yards a catch. Today, Cooks only had one catch,
but it went for twenty one yards. So Caamara averaged

(54:58):
nine yards a catch today on five catch, so that's
double what he has averaged. So, yes, there's some short throws,
but today for Rattler, it wasn't just short throws. He
was able to get the ball downfield too. Now there
was the percentage is seventy whatever? Seventy seventies said, yeah,
because he threw a bunch of you know, he's got

(55:21):
five six of his completions to running backs. I mean
those are short little throws, but you know, six for
ninety eight for Chris Olave, he's by far and away
the number one receiver. That's too much. And I'm telling
you that could have been you know, eight or nine
for one hundred and fifty. Alave dropped a couple of
really really important passes today. Now, he was really good

(55:43):
in the game, and he almost made that catch that
they ruled he fumbled on it. They ruled it an
incomplete pass, and that was a great catch with good coverage.
But I just I think the coverage has been a
little leaky. Mike, another one that doesn't show up is
the play that Carlton Davis lave I thought. I thought
they consistently let guys behind them today, and that's supposed

(56:06):
to be the cardinal sin. Now you want to be
really one defensive coordinators really up says it's gotta be
Brandon Staley like that's supposed to be the whole meeting
for his being. It was the two deep shell and
not letting anything over the top, and the Patriots were
behind them all day for a big shot play chunk
play after another. So yes, I think the seventy seven
percent is largely because of what Mike said. There's a

(56:28):
lot of short throws, but I think they allowed too
many big throws today too.

Speaker 8 (56:32):
Just jumping into some of the next gen stats that
are up now highlighting Christian Zalez was recorded for giving
six receptions up on seven targets for fifty seven yards.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
That was by far the most volume.

Speaker 8 (56:44):
Marcus Jones three catches on seven targets with three pass defenses,
so that kind of backs up his solid day.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
The other thing I wanted to highlight.

Speaker 8 (56:53):
Was pressure, and the next gen has Patriots giving up
a lot of pressure today. I would agree with that
Morgan Moses and Will Campbell giving up five quarterback pressures each,
with Will Campbell credited with three quick quarterback pressures. Other
other pressures Jared Wilson with three, Austin Hooper with one,
Garrett Bradberry with one. But yeah, those tackles similar to

(57:15):
last week when they both had three allowed giving up
some pressure off the off the edge, and I just
overall the pressure rate was was interesting to me. They
have to do here we go down there, s girl.
So yeah, for pressure rate, they have the Saints with
a fifty eight percent pressure rate with eighteen pressures they

(57:36):
have the Patriots are forty six point seven, which is,
you know, both are are very good. But the Saints
obviously fifty eight point one. That's a very very high
pressure rate. So it's funny how the numbers can lie.
I thought the I thought the Saints had a lot
of pressure. I didn't think the say, the Patriots had
much at all, No, I know.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Neither did I.

Speaker 8 (57:50):
That's probably the bigger, the bigger surprise to me, you know,
just in terms of man's own split, say the Patriots
seventy percent man coverage, yes, and twenty three and then
they had the Saints seventy four percent, So I was
just send them digging into some of the is it
is interesting.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
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As you can tell, we're really excited about this win,
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(01:01:33):
the offense. We saw Pop Douglas, Booty step up. Maybe
at some point we'll see Diggs enter that mix and
all three at once can have it can have a
great game. But I think the biggest thing for me
coming out of this game to build off of is
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both of them. If you can get three really good
targets that can connect with the quarterback, especially in key moments,
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(01:01:55):
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Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
So when we you know before the show we talked
about so we got to do the you know, the
legacy to build on and Kwannie goes and Paul, then
you can make your comments and I and I generally
say no, Mike. Mike generally handles that I don't have
anything to add. I like that one so much that
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(01:02:21):
the passing game is an excellent one to build on,
and you saw it today. Why it can be so important?
I agree with Like, that's a that's a really good one.
Not that you need me to validate, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:02:31):
I like when you do, though, Paul, because you're I
know some language. Sometimes you need and I just need
to be validated. No, Kendrick Boyne today was a huge
part of the equation. And you see the difference in
the offense. I mean, Kayshawn Boody, are they still playing?
What's going on in the San Francisco?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
But this is where we're at. It's all it's about
other games. It's all blending to you. Yeah, that's that's
that's great and I did that's a great thing to
build on if you can I mean it's been a
different guy virtually every week. Yeah, today it was Booty.

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of that Digs. It wasn't like Diggs just was absent,
like he was still there in some key moments, coming
through with some key catches. So they're definitely going to
need Digs to continue to be part of it. But
you know, great, Sign'd love to see it from Booty
and Pop Douglas too, So keep it going.

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Welcome back into the Patriots Postgame Show presented by DraftKings.
To my left, Matt Smith and Paparillos am I right
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Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
It's just a postgame report, a little bit quanny. But
before we get to it, ladies and gentlemen, what's the
what's the scuttle butt? Post game four and two?

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Patriots May Drake May Drake May transfer.

Speaker 8 (01:06:48):
May all the way and we got all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 13 (01:06:50):
YEA.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
As impressed as I think many were with the way
that Mike Rabel prepared the team to go to Buffalo,
this wasn't perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
I think you called it on TV on Tuesday. You
said there'll be some tractor pull parts of this game
that are not going to look pretty. They did just
enough to win in a place where many teams after
win like the Buffalo game, they throw that one away.
And I give Mike and the staff a lot of
credit for having them do just enough to stay in
this game and win this game. Is that fair?

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
I think they were great. I think they played a
great game today, And I give Mike and his staff
and the team like they scored touchdowns the first three
times they had it right, I underestimated New Orleans. I
gotta be honest. I mean I got to say when
I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I didn't think New Orleans was
any good, and they matched them blow for blow. I
don't think the Patriots were flat. I don't think the

(01:07:39):
Patriots took them lately. I don't think they were looking ahead,
behind or indifferent. I think they played well, and the
other team played well and stuck with them, and the
Patriots made the plays because of Drake May. Again, that's
the best news that you could possibly have as your quarterback.
Is the difference between you winning and losing for the
second week in a row. You know, it got all
the headlines last week when it was Josh Allen. But

(01:08:00):
every bit is important that he made all the plays
instead of Spencer Rattler today, every bit is important. Wins
all count the same.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
So let's start with the postgame report, and here from
the Patriots head coach Mike Rabel.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Just kept battling.

Speaker 18 (01:08:13):
You know, none of it was perfect today, and.

Speaker 7 (01:08:16):
You know, give them a lot of credit.

Speaker 18 (01:08:19):
They they competed, they answered, but you know, we extended
plays and made some huge plays down the field and
you know, glimpses of good football and you know, we'll
have to clean up a lot of things, but uh,
certainly great to go on the road and be able
to get a win. Initial thoughts, Keith, I mean I

(01:08:41):
think he factored and certainly came up huge at the end.
You know, I think he's just gotten better. And just
like his demeanor, never two up now, you know, I mean,
never two down, and just you know, sometimes the ball
finds him and he makes the plays, and then when
it doesn't, he you know, just kind of uh understands
that it just wasn't his his snap. And then to

(01:09:04):
to be there at the end there to take a
good hit and score and then it come up with
a huge play there at the end. It really you
went in there and went won the game for us
on a on a third down. So you see the
confidence that Drake has with him, his play strength and
his ability to go frame the football in a big situation.
So I hope he can enjoy this for a few

(01:09:25):
minutes with his family or anybody that was down around
here and just just a.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Big, big play for him.

Speaker 18 (01:09:32):
You know, we will never not enjoy an embrace winning
in this league. But I do think that guys are
very aware of the fact that it can be better
and that it will have to be better, uh, the
more that we go along here and play. So I
think that that was that's a good sign that there
that they know that there's some plays that we left

(01:09:53):
out there that we could have played better. But you know,
to do that on the road and be able to
end it uh with the ball offensively and then victory
formation is you know, fun.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
So I think that's his message for this week. Don't apologize,
We're not worried about style points. Okay, winning in the
National Football League on the road is hard at its achievement,
Celebrate it for fifteen or twenty minutes and let's move
on and I think they're buying into that. They're repeating
him about things like that, and that's the mark of
they're a young team trying to learn what it takes

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to win in the national.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
And even him mentioning the fact that Booty himself staying
even keel throughout the game and in this press conference
the way that they obviously just won. And he's very
kind of somber, which is kind of my great role,
just kind of serious, still kind of emphasizing that to
the rest.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Of his Yet, Yeah, I think I think you're seeing
the team take on a little bit of the identity
of the head coach, Mike. I think is very wouldn't
you guys in galasay, Mike's business like, pretty matter of fact.
I think that's what they're I think you're seeing the
Patriots team on that persona. It was a business like
kind of a win.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Yeah, yeah, I know. I feel good for Booty.

Speaker 8 (01:11:04):
I would just say, on Booty, though he's been here
a few years, like I've never seen him any different,
Like he's always just like serious, kind of not really loquacious.
He's never you know, I mean, Douglas, you can see
from irony he smiles and personality. Kyle william smiles for
macwall and smiles personality. You know, Booty's just kind of
straight and narrow, but I think it works for him,
you know. And then he's coming through that gay where

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Mike is coming from.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
He's the coach. He's trying to keep everybody down. I
think they played better than he sort of.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
Sounded yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Mean it's not perfect. I mean, I'm not expecting a
perfect thing. And the penalty is there's you know, some
of the defensive you know, starts to these games. I'm
sure he's less than thrilled with. But I mean I
think it was three of the first four possessions to
score touchdowns on. I mean, well, you know, it's funny
Paul's I think they're not good enough yet to play
sixty total minutes of domination, right.

Speaker 8 (01:11:53):
And then and you're right, like you know earlier saying
like to evaluate this team on you know, as a
foreign two team and not as the team that won
just four games. But at the same time, to remember
that good they were just a team that won four
games last year.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
And you know, it's not all going to be perfect
yet there's still a lot if they did if they
did what people feared and overlooked this game and came
out flat. They'd have lost if the Saints played like that.
They played a game they needed to play well because
the other team played pretty well. And I, like I said,

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I I don't think that they fell into any of
those pit you know, those traps or pitfalls that people
were were worried about. I think they came out ready
to play. They gave up a bomb on the first play,
but they forced a field goal. Took them three plays
to sort of resettle down. Marcus Jones makes the play
and then they take the ball and go right down
the field with a bomb and score. Yeah. Like that's

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a good start to the game. Yeah, you know, four
minutes into the game you have a seven to three lead. Like,
they didn't come out they didn't come out flat or sleep.

Speaker 8 (01:12:56):
I just I just remember last year's Houston game when
when Drake hit that big play a booty being like,
oh my god, like we have a guy who can
actually do this and now he's like doing it like
three four times in a game. You know, it just
speaks to Drake growing confidence, rounding out his game.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
And you know, I just I just love the fearlessness.

Speaker 8 (01:13:11):
In his game of you know, being willing fourth down,
third down, rip it, you know, go back and willing
to go toe to toe with teams. And I think
that's what you know what very Abel said. I think
there's a team that's learning how to win these kind
of games. You know, it's you're going to These are
the kind of games generally in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
They're all kind of close.

Speaker 8 (01:13:26):
You're not going to just pound teams like you did
with Carolina walking away a couple of weeks ago. That's
an anomaly. This is what it's got to be like
every week, and you've got to be, you know, willing
to endure the ups and downs. Not get ahead of yourself.
Not I think it was like I think it was
Pete Carroll couple not, you know, get ahead of yourself
and decide what the result is going to be ahead
of time and get this experience of fighting in tough
games where you've got to make the last play to

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win it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
It's critical.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
So that was a head coach. Now let's go back
to the podium and listen to the player's side of
the win over the Saints today.

Speaker 19 (01:13:58):
It's huge anytime goes this and you guys celebrated your
winning this league, no matter how it is, no matter
how you know much we could have played better and
how much we left out and played. But you know,
Saints for good team as good players, and they played hard,
and I was tough playing here at their place. So
just probably guys for coming out with the wind. Couldn't
get out of here and get on next week.

Speaker 20 (01:14:16):
No, it's it was amazing coming back home, first time
playing in a super dome. You know, a little emotional
at first, you know, it feel like a full circle moment,
first time I've been back playing here. So I think
everything was cool, but got comfortable as we went on.
But like you said, a great team win. I feel
like all all the guys bought in, you know, you know,
we got dub.

Speaker 19 (01:14:35):
I think last years in the past, and I'm just
trying to keep building and hopefully, you know, we just
keep showing up every week and uh, you know, being
a tough team to play on the road and and
uh winning at home is is what we're trying to build.
So I think run away.

Speaker 20 (01:14:47):
Till that three four years ago, I wasn't in the
best position, you know. I think a lot of off the
field stuff. Just I kind of look at myself like
I've been through a lot. I feel like I'm finally
getting back together and everything coming good.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
So you know, I feel like.

Speaker 20 (01:15:00):
It's good to beat the adversity and just keep working.

Speaker 7 (01:15:04):
Not me, it's not me. It's not a meat game.

Speaker 12 (01:15:06):
And uh, I felt like that I needed this, and
man if it feel good.

Speaker 7 (01:15:10):
It feel good to win, and you know, play play
for the team.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
It's a lot of fun. You know.

Speaker 6 (01:15:14):
We we do it for one reason, to win. You know,
we all have the same goals. So you know, it's
just a blessing to be able to be out here,
you know, with my guys and everything, and uh taking
one week, one week at a time.

Speaker 8 (01:15:26):
Petri has been too, always travel longs well, he's the
field widium and.

Speaker 10 (01:15:32):
You have a lot of number of fans that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Yeah, that's that's sweet.

Speaker 19 (01:15:37):
You know, I probably give him some more some energy
to pump them up. But it's awesome seeing how much,
you know, how well we travel, how many fans come.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
Out of the games.

Speaker 19 (01:15:44):
You know, as it's as it as it should be.
You know, one thinks the best sports sports city in
the world with Boston, so you know, we expect to
travel well, and we'll finally give him something to travel for.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
We're back to the uh to the fans want to smooch,
give them something.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
I like that, he said, Boston.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Yeah. Two of the things that kind of stood out
to me a little bit, you know, the self awareness
maybe of Kashawan Booty and the maturity and admitting, you know, geez,
I wasn't in a great spot. That was pretty interesting
to hear. And the other one is Marcus Jones, and
I think it's a little bit coach speak repeating it's
a great one week season. You know. I think they

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start again what I was alluded to earlier. I think
they're trying to they're buying into what Mike sellen, and
there's a professionalist.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
I agree that're buying in. There's no no question about that.
Can I tell you how, Paul?

Speaker 8 (01:16:36):
You know what was you know what was the first
big play of Kayshawan Boody's career, Like the first big
moment of it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
His first game, stepping out of bounds on fourth and ten.

Speaker 8 (01:16:47):
Against just I think it's interesting of and I never
really killed him about that, But we've also seen him
the last couple of weeks having extreme awareness of when
to you know, getting feed in getting down the you know,
it just shows progress in his game and where he's
come from as a guy who you know, oh he
got bench for the rest of the year because he
didn't get his feet down and now you know he's
he's the kind.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Of player that you know you can count on in
those games.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
Did Stretch get a game ball for the challenging whether
the game?

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Sure he did, I'm sure he did. I have a
way different view of that whole play, but I'll save
it for.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
And then just another question for the three of you here.
You are forced for one game to watch one situation
here your lives depend on. It's either a Sean Hockeyley
game or Adrian Hill game.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Just end it. Just send it right now.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Which game you're gonna watch them?

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Like, there's like one guy in the league that I
can kind of stomach, and that's Bill Vinovich. That's it.
And even he calls too many penalties. I don't want
to see any of these guys.

Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
Every would you do that would anywhere?

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
I have no use for any of these officiating crews
and their picky alignment shift guy touched his arm on
that one. That's a penalty on that one. It's not
that one's a touchdown, that one's incomplete. They just flip coins.
I'm done, I'm done watching it. It's it's tough.

Speaker 8 (01:18:10):
It's tough, coach, Paul, don't you think how you Yeah, Well,
that's like Mike's whole thing. I mean, Rabel just looks
like he's like, just tell us, tell us what to do?
You know, I mean, what's the answer. It's I mean,
that's not a position anybody can operate in. I mean
it's always remember Bill used to say, like we got
to do business as big done. Well, what about when
business being done just haphazard?

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
You don't know what's what I showed you the place?
Like Booty's touchdown is the same thing that happened to Diggs.
No call on Booty touchdown, call on Digs's bomb? Right,
Why what's the difference?

Speaker 8 (01:18:36):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
It's frustrating that obviously they can't comment on officiating. You
get fine for that. But also we talked about earlier
Mike Vrabel and the team's thing saying even keeled throughout
that as well, and not letting those bad calls affect
their play. But where does the accountability stand when it
comes to the roughing of these games, if it's literally
deciding a winner versus a loser.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Yeah, I mean, I just I don't. I hate talking
about this. It's just like this is but I'm not
talking about That's why I don't do that, and I'm
not talking about today. It was just it was I'm
pointing out I'm purposely pointing out plays that went against
the Patriots and for the Patriots because I don't want

(01:19:15):
it to be like, oh, the Patriots dot com guys
are bitching about the refs. That's not what we're doing.
I'm telling you the refereeing. There's a problem in the league.
On every game that I watched, there's a problem with
the way the game is officiated. And Matt Smith had
the perfect line. It's over officiated, and it's every game
every week. It's not for or against the Patriots.

Speaker 8 (01:19:36):
And the announcers, who are you know, usually paid to
be down the middle, even they're having trouble just you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
Know, although struggling to swallow this is really blatant.

Speaker 8 (01:19:47):
Jean's coming on, what are we paying you for?

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Like, I'll give you one that went for the Patriots
that you know sort of the two point conversion, right.
I watched the two point conversion live and I said,
he's in. Put your arms up. I'm yelling at the rum,
yelling at the screen. Put your arms on it. They
said he didn't get in. They showed seventeen replays. I
never saw the ball go anywhere near the goal line.
I couldn't see it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
But I can't remember it. But somebody goes it took
a security camera from a liquor store.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
If that's what they if that's what if that's what
they saw. They saw that. One of the ones they
showed on CBS never showed the ball over the line. Now,
I think he was in. I think it was the
right call, and at the end of the day, I
think they got it right. This is what they called him.
You can see the ball there.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
No, but it's a better look of any of them
that they had in my in.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
My no, no, no, I'm just saying I think I think
you got it. When I watched the play live, I
yelled at the TV, put your arms up, he's in.

Speaker 5 (01:20:50):
The only time you see the ball in this footage
is when the ball snapped. Of course, you never see
it go over the lie I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Do not see the ball go over the line there.
I don't so, which is why it's confusing that they over.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
In that case because they go like this. In that case,
don't you sit there and say the call on the
field is he didn't make it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Don't you unless you have a definitive look that shows
the ball and then that massive humanity. I don't think
you can see it exactly like I said, the Kaishawn
Booty pushes off in the end zone, no call. Stefan
Diggs pushes off down the sideline call. I don't get it.
I don't like, what are they doing? Why is one
a penalty? The only one I will definitively say I
just didn't understand was the one on Digs that wiped

(01:21:27):
out the second Douglas touchdown, Like I'm sorry, that's just
running and they collide like was there was a little
contact near the line that's not passing offerance and had.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
No impact on the play.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
With they don't know what doesn't have an impact on
the play, It wasn't a penalty even if they threw
the ball to Digs. And that's basically with jeen Sterotor said,
like I don't really know about this one guys. Now,
I give them at least a little credit. Now with
some of these guys, some of these guys and Sterotora
is one who's not afraid to be brotherhood. Well he's
not afraid to be different than the call that they

(01:21:59):
go with. Yeah, you know, so many of them.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Mike Perreiro was like that too, He would say what
he thought. Some of these guys that come on, they
just like, whatever the call is.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
NBC does a decent judge, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
The call is. They just say, yeah, no, I see
that one who was the guy on Yespan the night
that I thought Troy Aikman was going to take a
bat to someone's head, like, you know, no, I'm not, no,
I'm not going to keep my mouth shut, and he
just started ranting.

Speaker 8 (01:22:24):
And Raven, Hey quick, PSA, if you find yourselset, if
you find yourself like me sitting. Who are the three
teams they beat in twenty twenty two, Well it was
the Jets, the Colts by week, and then the Jets again.
So three barn burners there against not exactly a murder's row,
but it went seven in their own twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
You know, Buffalo, sure, but Carolina and No Orleans. Like
three years from now, you're going to say, not exactly,
bond Burners.

Speaker 8 (01:22:52):
Then Buffalo always have Buffy, Bufalo, Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
I thought I heard Zoe off Carolina beat the Cowboys
say there's a company. I think there's seven teams over
five hundred in the AFC, and the Patriots are one
of them. Mike, Does that sound right that?

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
I can't tell?

Speaker 17 (01:23:08):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
They were that was the case last week they were
in the playoffs. Last week there are.

Speaker 8 (01:23:12):
There are seven teams with four wins or Indianapolis as five.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Uh, and then everybody else's too. I mean, we're all
just chasing the Colts, Mike, who as we know, they're
the best team in the AFL. Not off to today, Paul,
That's what I read now, But I read that last
week this verse five and one two is no longer
a threat Indianapolis? Right What are we doing anything to
take away from the Patriots?

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:23:36):
Well, overall we're talking about rabel in the culture. What
would you all say this performance, particularly, how does it
identify not only his identity as a coach, but just
how they're being able to build under him.

Speaker 8 (01:23:48):
Right now, I just think just keep fighting that's you know,
I think that's kind of what the hallmarks with them
that I've enjoyed that I don't think is necessarily existed
the last couple of years. And you know, especially when
the season gets going down on the drain, you find
that team's ability to punch back and quit. It goes,
you know, pretty quick as you get along the season,
and the Patriots should not even be close to that
point right now, but it's just good to see that.

(01:24:10):
You know, they're getting in games where it's not just
handed to them on a silver platter. They have to
go out and make some plays and you know, at
the end of the day though, it's just when you
have a quarterback, I think it trickles down through the
whole team and you have that confidence of, you know,
if you're Splain or one of these guys leaders on
defense saying hey we get this last stop, our guy
can score, you know, and that hopefully that's the case

(01:24:30):
too when they're down by some points and they got to.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Go hand in hand. You're right, because there's no question
that they have that from Vrabel to fight through it.
And you know they've responded to they haven't had a
lot of adversity, but when they've had it, they've responded
to it immediately, which has been I think that reflects
very well on Vrabel. But just as important as the
may part of it, because how many times do you

(01:24:53):
see teams say, well, we stopped them twice. They just
can't move the ball and you stop rolling, you know,
like the Jets today. The Jets defense couldn't have played
any better, but they get minus ten yards passing, you know,
like there's just no believability. And I know that's an
extreme example, but they know they have a quarterback that
as long as they don't really ruin the game defensively,

(01:25:18):
they're going to have a chance to win because they're
going to be in the mid twenties at minimum, you know,
if not more. And I think they're trending to the more.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
Am I making too big of a deal out of
the touchdown that was wiped out the second one to Douglas.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Terrible call, I think the offense.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
I think Douglas said that there were guys that were
already seated on the bench before they came back out.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
That's when the flag came back. It was as bad
a call as I've seen. Still, he never saw the
flag saw I.

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
Don't think it ever actually went down.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
That could be a pretty demoralizing moment. Yeah, you're getting
penalized to that, you can get a touchdown wiped off, you're
going backwards. They managed to muddle through it and still
score on that drive, and it was you know, Mike,
you probably have the yeah play by play log. It
was at at least a fifty or sixty yard drive
in order to finish that with Booty, and that was
a takeaway ball by Booty.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
That's I mean, yeah, I mean, the only thing is.

Speaker 4 (01:26:07):
That's a little adversity the overset.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
But it was six plays again, like it was four played.
There was a full play touchdown drive and then a
six play touchdown drive. Like the big plays were just
I don't know if they, like I said, Brandon Staley
supposed to be all about too deep and keep everything
in front and something that Josh McDaniels and the offensive
staff saw they wanted to attack down the field and
they did so with effectiveness. That was that was just

(01:26:32):
great stuff. No, I agree with you, Matt, like getting
the touchdown after losing that touchdown was you know, a
sign of maturity. I totally Qwannie brought it up as
part of her good list at the beginning of the show.
But I totally agree that you can easily say, well,
we should have had another touchdown, and now we'll spend
the rest of the game claiming we got screwed. Instead,

(01:26:53):
they went down and scored the touchdown and made it
a move point.

Speaker 6 (01:26:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Well, along those lines.

Speaker 8 (01:26:57):
In the next ten stats, Saints actually played a real
high rate a single high safety sixty four point one
cent uh and against that May was eleven to seventeen,
one hundred and ninety yards three touchdowns. So the deep
plays were clearly single you know, single coverage, single hack coverage,
and they attacked.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
So maybe it's just one that as usual, the media
was all wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
Right, Like one thing I heard you talk about not
to put any rant on the parade help. What's a
concerned level of the running game?

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Oh, very high.

Speaker 8 (01:27:24):
I mean, I think that's the that's the biggest point
for this Patriots team right now, just to you know,
truly if you really want to see Drake May and
the offense what they can be. I think, as Christian said,
you know, see what they're really capable of. It's hard
to truly know if you I mean, it's not just
that they're you know, it's completely ineffective, right, I mean,
and today I felt like it even took a step
backwards to the point where there were a lot of negative.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Runs today tackles.

Speaker 8 (01:27:46):
I mean, that's I I'll effort that, but I think that's,
you know, a great point. I don't know, it's just
did not seem like they were their head in the
right direction with those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
And thirteen carries for eighteen yards, like that's a stunning stat.

Speaker 8 (01:28:00):
I mean, Stevenson had five stuff runs, Henderson had three.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
They got Drake for four. I imagine those are the
two longest runs of the day were seven yards. Yeah,
Henderson and Stevenson each had a seven yard run. That's it.

Speaker 21 (01:28:15):
That's not not great, not great, you know, And the
only thing that's the only saving grace is that the
run defense has been every bit as good as the
running offense has been bad.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Yeah, you know, their longest run of the day was
seven yards.

Speaker 8 (01:28:28):
I mean, I think the only difference really was that
the Patriots had a little bit of lead in the
second half and they had to throw it a little
bit more. But otherwise they were both like still just
handing it off to run into the brick wall. So
I don't know what the answer is. I just I
don't think there's an easy fix. It's like one of
those things where you have to continue to grind on it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
It's amazing how similar to the stats. I mean, both
guys through it twenty six times. Neither team could run it.
They both they roughly ran it the same big plays.
Nineteen first downs for the Patriots, seventeen first downs for
the Saints. You know, it's just really five point seven
yard rich per play for the Patriots, five point eight
for the Saints.

Speaker 8 (01:29:02):
So it was a good game with the factored in too,
it's pretty even. Yeah, but it's really just the long
touchdowns and the turnover.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Really.

Speaker 8 (01:29:11):
I mean, that's kind of when you boil it down.
That's how you get to six point one.

Speaker 5 (01:29:16):
All Right, we're getting calls and emails. I'm gonna head
to let's see, let's start with Kevin in Nashville. Kevin, Kevin,
you're awake.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Yes, hey, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
I respect what you guys do, and I love it.

Speaker 9 (01:29:33):
Thank god the Patriots won.

Speaker 21 (01:29:34):
Because some of those penalties were absolutely absurd.

Speaker 10 (01:29:38):
Seth Diggs is playing Patty Cake with the corner and
I'm usually not someone to blame the rest, but if
you're gonna call that on Seth, you gotta call it
on the Matt Collins play.

Speaker 22 (01:29:51):
But anyways, now, they.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Didn't call it on Marcus Jones either in the end zone,
so let's just be even.

Speaker 14 (01:29:58):
Well, no, I think if you're going to call it one,
you got to call it on the V right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Well, then if they called it on the dB, they
should have called it on Marcus Jones and the end
zone on the LOVE and they didn't. So sometimes you
get him, sometimes you don't. The MAC the penalty that
took away to Mario Douglas's second touchdown was the worst
call I've ever seen in the NFL. I mean, I'm
not exaggerating the worst call I've ever seen in the NFL.

(01:30:23):
It's not all the rest of it was was was
blatantly bad both ways. That call was just patently absurd,
like including it.

Speaker 8 (01:30:33):
I never saw the flag never once.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
Two guys, two guys are like jostling with each other
and the ball gets thrown fifty yards downfield and they
call offensive passing appearance like I've never seen.

Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
It did he'll announce Douglass pushing off when they first
announced it. No, they initially announced Douglas.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
No, there was nobody. I think that the Masters thought that,
I see. I don't think they originally, I think said
that it was on Hooper and they were looking at
the replay to see if Douglas had pushed off somewhere,
but they never.

Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
Said it was like the Residents anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
And then they immediately changed it from Hooper on the
stats to Diggs, and then they showed us what Digs
was doing, and I was like, that's unbelievable. That's unbelievable
that they would call that.

Speaker 5 (01:31:18):
I know, we don't want to overharp on the roughing,
but I do want to read this email because it's
very eye opening. So Alex Bilestros, he said, hey, everyone
couldn't help but tune into the Saints post game show.
Not as cool as yours. But he was shocked as
how they were shocked at how awful officiating was. This
was all bad time anyway, within a few minutes that
they had so clearly the other side is feeling the

(01:31:40):
same brunt of the despite the exactly and I think
we all agree on that. But I'm glad that he
tuned into the show for us, So thank you, Ali.

Speaker 8 (01:31:47):
Yeah, I mean I decided, how do you feel like
people have money on the games?

Speaker 5 (01:31:50):
Yes, that's a good point too. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
That's yeah, that's the other that's a problem.

Speaker 5 (01:31:58):
Yeah, let's see what LJ in North Carolina has to say.

Speaker 10 (01:32:04):
Hey, Kwame, Hey Paul, Mike, Hey both Mike, how y'all
doing what's up?

Speaker 11 (01:32:08):
What?

Speaker 10 (01:32:10):
Yeah? I enjoyed the win, but that defense and that
office of line y'all keep wanting to blame the running
running backs. You can't run if you ain't got no
hole and big mic like it's getting beat eighty five
percent of the time. So and the linebackers and safeties
it's them zone reads or whatever. They just dropping back

(01:32:30):
too deep to why they killed him in the middle.
But other than that, I love it. I'm glad I
didn't have to put on the Saint jersey either, the
good one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
You got a lot of grudges going on, You have
a lot of grudges.

Speaker 10 (01:32:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, aloud know they've been doing it for
twenty five years, so since we went the other way,
now they're shooting back at me.

Speaker 22 (01:32:52):
Hey, So y'all have a good.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
One real quick.

Speaker 8 (01:32:58):
The Patriots, according that had twelve run stuff thirty eight
point seven percent of their rushing attempts were stuffed. The
Saints had I'll wait to see how many Badard has
you need the real answers. But yeah, it's just I
mean the numbers jumping out too. It's it's this will be.
This will be a story this week for sure about
how to get that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Run game going. Everyone will have their their claws out
for that one. Well, like I said, it just kind
of and I know Mike sort of said that they
felt like they were close, yeah, which is not the
same as saying the running backs on doing a good
job of like maximizing the yardage, which took on a
life of its own in the second half of this week.

(01:33:38):
And I was just like I watched, I watch all
the games. I pride myself in really not missing a play,
and I don't really, like, to my mind's eye, I
don't recall I like a lot of plays where I
was like, Wow, he missed a wide open hole if
he had just cut left, Like I think they've had
some opportunities for big plays that were just a hair away.

(01:34:00):
But I don't think there's been a lot of them.
Oh wow, Green Bay just froze a guy in a
sixty seven yard field goal that he made.

Speaker 8 (01:34:11):
That's a killer exactly that song.

Speaker 5 (01:34:15):
JV is in Cincinnati. Let's see us to say before
we JV.

Speaker 22 (01:34:21):
Any guys, thanks for thinking. Take on the run game.
First of all, I think Daniels has been fantastic for
me this year. But one glaring problem I have with
him is they just run. It seems like every first down,
even the non existent people that don't watch the Super Bowl. No,
he's gonna run on first down. So it keeps putting
in the second and eight second.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Do you have the numbers for first down runs? Because
I don't think this is accurate. I know at the
end of the game they were running when they were
trying to run the clock out, and they were running
on first down, But do you have the numbers? Like
you give me a moment talk about your topic.

Speaker 8 (01:34:56):
Reminder, Stevenson, is he doing better?

Speaker 5 (01:34:58):
You get right?

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
And he missed this one?

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
Good ice.

Speaker 5 (01:35:07):
Dude, No one PCT's watching that at the red zone.

Speaker 7 (01:35:15):
He's checking it out.

Speaker 4 (01:35:17):
Looks like we're on a round.

Speaker 8 (01:35:19):
He's watching the plays from.

Speaker 7 (01:35:21):
Some other games.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
That's when the shop gets really name and there you know,
oh my god.

Speaker 7 (01:35:30):
As watching the red zone.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Yeah wow, okay, but Matt Smith was doing it with me.

Speaker 8 (01:35:37):
That was the perfect amount of by the way, amazing
Marine Corps.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
We needed that in the pregame show when when we
went for ten minutes dissecting the Jets Denver.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Oh my goodness, I did say to Mic in that one,
allow me, allow me to refresh video. I think, sistly,
would you would you not think that it wiser to
try to kick like a sixty seven yardfield goal or
since in a day where you have ten yards passing, you're.

Speaker 8 (01:36:05):
So I have efforted this so one of the one
of the twenty five first down plays, including a Neil
down fifteen runs fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Of twenty five. I need him broken down. Oh geez.
But he also threw two of the touchdowns on first down. Okay,
thank you to.

Speaker 8 (01:36:20):
Booty, the big want to Booty the first one, both
of them to Booty, both of them.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
Douglas was the first down, was it not?

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
Don't you think, Mike?

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
I'm sorry sorry once the time?

Speaker 8 (01:36:28):
Yeah, touchdowns, three touchdowns on first down to Booty.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
So yeah, yeah, there we go.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
That's a JV question.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Question was like, you're going to end up with more
first down runs when you win the game because you have, Yeah,
the last four or five first downs of the game,
we're all runs because you're bleeding.

Speaker 8 (01:36:51):
Cry and I mean really up to excuse the numbers,
excuse the numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
I mean it's pretty well balanced. Like Rape Song it was.
It may scrambling there as well, but didn't even anything
to break it down. You've done. You've done a good job.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
As as we're winding down here, I have a question
for you for the week. You said the Running Game
is going to be a story. Obviously it's going to
be a story this week. What's the head coaches take
going to be on the return to Nashville theme that's
coming to another week? How does he handle that?

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
He won't say anything about it, but it's going to
be burning and his.

Speaker 8 (01:37:26):
Crass Harold Landry to Harold Landry.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
Chips on their shoulders.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Yeah, that'll be uh, you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:33):
Know, I think will Harold Landry speak for the coach?

Speaker 8 (01:37:36):
No, Harold Andry barely talks as it is, which I
love about him. But I do think that it's it
won't be said, but I think that everyone in the
team understands what this team, this game is going to
mean to their head coach, who they're playing hard for
right now. So I'd expect this third leg of the
road game to see maximum effort from the Patriots team.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
Do you ever see a media guy who says, you
know which I love about him?

Speaker 8 (01:37:55):
He doesn't talk, he says, man, He's a seriously guy, like, hey, Harold,
I've got to get he's like, you know, running with
his string attached to his back.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:38:05):
He's consummate professional and takes it seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
And I like some.

Speaker 8 (01:38:09):
Guys with personality, but I also like some guys who's
scary a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
That's what you need. We'll try to make it a storyline,
but I don't think that VABA will allow it.

Speaker 5 (01:38:19):
You just know it exists.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
I mean, you can't do anything else players. I mean,
I say it all the time. It's always about the players.

Speaker 5 (01:38:26):
Yeah, okay, all right, Well that does it for this
week's episode of the Patriots Post Game Show, as you know,
presented by DraftKings from Matt Smith and Paul Parrillo and
Mike do So. I'm Kwanni Lunis. Thank you for watching.
We'll be back next week.

Speaker 11 (01:38:42):
Hey, this is Alex. Thanks for tuning into the show.
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Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
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