Patriots Postgame Show 10/19: Full Analysis From the Patriots 31-13 Win over the Titans

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Look looked like it was over before it began.

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Speaker 5 (00:39):
Welcome into the Patriots Postgame Show presented by DraftKings, Paul Parillo,
Mike d So, I'm Kwannie Lunis and as you know,
the Patriots taking another win thirty one thirteen in Tennessee.
How do we feel, guys?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
How do we feel? I just in all of Drake May,
I just am so impressed with how that kid's playing
football right now. It's really just fun to watch play football.
And some of the throws hemate today, just staying hot,
you know, no dip in his performance from what we've
seen over the last couple of weeks. I just I'm
really impressed with him. That's yeah, and I say that.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
I mean everything you said about May, I would co sign,
but I would just say my overall feeling is it's
gonna sound weird like boredom, and it's so refreshing to
return to the days where these kinds of wins might
go boring. Yeah, you know, it's just like they come in,
you know that the better team. They take care of business.
You know, a little bit of a shaky start, but

(01:32):
just offensively, they're relentless and they you know, today they
found a way to get some running game going. And
then like you said with Drake May, but yeah, I
mean I say it in the most complimentary way.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
That game was.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Never in doubt in my mind now and that's the
way it used to be.

Speaker 6 (01:48):
Yeah, I mean a little Harry at the top.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
And you know, cam Ward has got a perfect passer
rating through the first quarter, and I like cam Wood.
You know, it's I think he's got something. He looked comfortable,
and you know, this is something we can dive into.
I don't really want to go into, like yeah, but
because I mean, look, they just they did what they
were supposed to do, took care of business in Tennessee.
And you know, congratulations to Mike Vrabel, I'm sure he
downplayed it. He never you know, it never came off

(02:10):
to me at any point that the Patriots were kind
of looking to make a statement or do any They
just went in, they played good football, They didn't make
any killing mistakes. They kind of whether the storm a
little bit early on and just allowed their offense then
to take over, and you know, just what a performance
by then. It's just it's getting more and more exciting
by the week with the way these guys are.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
Jason mccordy gushing on the broadcast Understandley so talking about
the accuracy and confidence of Drake May but very impressive
performance today.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
I mean, twenty one to twenty three, two hundred and
twenty two yards. I mean it's just, you know, a
couple couple of moments there where the ball came out,
I think they were a little bit scary. But you know,
he's just not making the critical mistakes. He's not making
the random WHOA what was that throw kind of plays.
He's locked in, he looks comfortable, and when it all
falls apart, he's able to pick things up with his legs.
So he's he's dealing.

Speaker 7 (02:55):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
We haven't really seen any of the recklessness that we
saw pretty much every game in his rookie year, and
then you know, periodically at the start of this season,
the last two or three weeks that's really disappeared. You
mentioned his legs eight for sixty two. I thought he
was a very effective runner today. This was about as
perfect a quarterback performance as you're going to get. And
it's not just you know, like making all the right

(03:18):
right but some of the throws, like the touchdown to
Booty couldn't have been more perfect. He had one to
start the second half down the left sideline to Diggs
that is just perfect. You know, a deep ball to
mac Collins. You know, another one in the in the
honey hole, you know, in the zone where he just
finds a way to get enough on it, but he
has the touch to lay it over the first first

(03:40):
segment of coverage. But this, this throw of Booty is
just perfect and nice nice catch by Booty too. But
I mean this is you might as well, this is
like an extended hand. This is a thirty five yard handle.
I mean, it's just he's playing at an exceptionally high
level right now.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I mean, you look at these plays, Paul and how
many times over the last couple of years. I mean, really,
going back to twenty twenty, did you talk about Patriots
in a little hole. It's going to take them a
while to put its scoring drive together. And you know,
here you have a three play drive. I mean, all
of a sudden, the Titans take a thirteen to ten
lead and that was it. That was the turning point.
Three play drive score stop them there, you know, briefly

(04:15):
before the half, get back on the field, another good
drive score Chase On takes it in twenty one point swing.
Just like that, all of a sudden, it goes from
you're down to now It's kind of the complexion of
the game is changed and you're running away with it.
So it's just the big playability has really changed everything
for this Patriots offense. I mean, we've seen times over
the last few years where Mac Jones will get into
a rhythm maybe or you know, you'd find a little

(04:37):
bit of something, but it never was able to push
the ball down the field to make big scoring plays.
And that's just what's making them so lethal right now.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
And I do I think you make a great point, Mike.
I think that's the biggest difference between the offense we
saw the first couple of weeks and the offense we've
seen the last few is that they've able to get
the ball downfield. You know, three plays sixty yards was
unheard of, right, you know, you know, and even even
week one two, you know, like they they were going,
you know, long drives with a lot of plays and
requiring a lot of execution. And in this all of

(05:09):
a sudden, I would say, started in the Buffalo game.
It's just completely changed and he's consistently getting the ball
down the field. He's he's going deep to three or
four different guys. Now, who was Douglas last week? You know,
it's it's everybody this, I mean Holland's I think Hollands,
Digs and Booty all had deep, deep catches today, A
huge fourth down catch for for Douglas sitting down in

(05:32):
the zone. I think, by the way, it might be
a play that we talk about a little bit during
the course of the week, maybe one of those examples
of what we talk about with with Douglas in zone
just kind of sit down and you know, I think
maybe that's why that's probably why that throw looked like
it was a little bit behind him. But yeah, just
like offensively, this team is playing at a very high
level then knocking on the door four hundred yards day

(05:53):
and they basically throttled it down in the fourth quarter.
And vermondre Stevenson too, you know, you know, giving him
something on the ground game, So a little bit everything
from the offense today.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Sure, no need to postpone it. Let's get into the good,
the bad, and the injured.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Now it's time for the good, pretty good, pretty pretty good,
the bad what happened?

Speaker 4 (06:14):
And the injured.

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Speaker 5 (06:22):
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to find your errand. And of course I think the
top of our good list is of course, Drake may
I think we're talking about the receivers. I want to
say he's Oprah with his receiving cores, making sure everyone

(06:44):
gets to catch throughout the game. But of course we
can talk more about his performance.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Oh no, it was I mean it was excellent and
you know where to start with it, I would just
say that it's just been consistent.

Speaker 9 (06:54):
You know.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
That's what's impressing me is that, you know, I think
some quarterbacks can have a little bit of a run
where they complete a bunch of straight passes and they
look kind of locked into the zone and then all
of a sudden, you know, a mistake happens, it falls around,
they get a little cold, like he just he isn't
getting cold like he No, certainly they're punting sometimes it's
not completely, but for the most part, the mistakes aren't

(07:15):
derailing him. He's playing with the same poise that you've
seen throughout this season over the last you know, four
games that they've won, and that, to me is just
what's so impressive. I just keep waiting for the ebbs
and flows of it. The flows are great, but you know,
you're thinking, like, all right, well, at some point he's
going to regress a little bit towards the mean, and
right now it's you're just wondering, like what is his ceiling?
Like can he just keep doing this? Can he keep

(07:36):
playing at this level? Because this is MVP type football
right here, where you're completing almost every single one of
your passes, and he did it last week at some
point he had what like nineteenth straight pass Like he's
playing at a crazy level right now, and I think
I'm running out of ways to describe it.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, I would say, you know, all the stuff about
the whole game, you know, we I think we've already mentioned,
but the second drive to me eleven players, ninety three yards.
You know, you come out, you get up a field goal,
you go down and get the field goal right back,
and then you know, the Titans say, okay, you know
we showed up to play today. Touchdown ten to three,
and you know, they get a terrible kick return. Chisholm

(08:12):
gets bottled up, they get a penalty, they get backed
up inside their ten, and he just goes to I
think he was six or six on the drive and
also had like twenty five or so yards rushing on
that drive. Some unbelievable throwers. That one to Hollins was
Pitcher perfect. He had one on the other side to
Booty earlier in the drive. And then the touchdown to

(08:33):
Austin Hooper, he you know, lost it up. He takes
advantage of the defender having his back turn.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
I think it was Snead in Hollands.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean, Hooper makes a great catch, you know, with
a head top in the end zone. But that drive
to me, ended the game, you know, like old old
school like to me, that's like, yeah, I know it's
ten ten right now, but that drive told me that
the offense was going to have another good game and
the Titans were going to be powered. They couldn't stop

(09:02):
at that point in the game. They couldn't stop the ron.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Or the pass.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, and you know that that basically continue for the
better part of three quarters.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
I don't know if the guys can pull up the Digs.
I think it was a third down catch al on
the left sideline late in the game. To that, to
me was like another one of those throws where just
his touch, his timing, dropping these balls in the hole
where only his receivers can get it. You're seeing it
more and more, you know, and at some point like
these become like what he does. Like it's cool to
watch him develop as a as a player and make

(09:32):
some crazy throws. All right, that looked pretty cool, but
can he do it consistently? Yeah, this is the one.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
To me, it's just like, I mean, Digs doesn't even
have to move.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
He just looks up, puts his hands out and the
ball just flies right into his hands. Yeah, and loss thing.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
He doesn't put his hands out, He waits for the
ball to get there and then he catches, just catches
it so the defender doesn't have a chance to react
to it.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
So why don't we just keep the train growing? I
want to put Digs on there. We just watched him.
I mean, you know, eight catches, sorry, seven catches for
sixty nine yards for him again coming through in some
big spots. We had I think at least two third
down conversions. He just continues to be what they need.
The volume guy, the move, the chains kind of guy,
the reliable guy when you need to play. Stefan Diggs

(10:10):
has been there for Drake May and that, as we
saw today, is also opening up opportunities for other players
to make plays too. But you know, Diggs was again
that here on third and eight, just a huge, you
know play. But it's just showing the confidence Drake has.
Perfect pocket opens right up, there's Digs right in the middle.
I mean, this is just great execution. That's how EU drama.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's so different that when they're on thirty and I
talked about this in my halftime chin wag.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
Here at the stadium, self styled.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
But it used to be just third and long. You'd
be like, a good time to go to the bathroom
or you know, grab something to eat because you know
they're gonna either throw a check down or get sacked.
But now, like, I just feel like he's going to
find a way to convert these and Diggs has been
the guy he leans on the most in those situations,
like you said, Mike, but Kaishan Boody is a guy

(10:56):
that I had on my list today and again another
day with not a tremendous amount of volume. Two catches
the first one. He makes it a really heads up
play coming back for you know, kind of a oddly
thrown ball.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
Yes, I mean it's a second and twelve. You're down
already ten three.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
And this was kind of I don't know if it
was underthrown or maybe he didn't get enough. Maybe I
don't know if he didn't get didn't come out of
his hand properly. This is the only ball all day
that really didn't look right. But Booty does a nice
job making sure he comes back and keeps the ball
out of Harm's way and he's kind of.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Pushed back there is like take a yeah and look
at him, and then the touchdown like to you know,
for Booty.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
So I had Booty on my list, you know, and
I mentioned the touchdown catch that that Hooper had. I
mean again, just when you ask these guys to make
a player two and they're not always easy plays and
they make them, that's worthy of the recognition. So I
think that that's what that's what you're getting from the
offense right now, is his contributions from almost everybody I had.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
I kind of had Booty, but I kind of had
it more under the banner of secondary receivers and just digs.
Obviously with the volume guy. But as you said, Paul,
you had five people with ten or more yards of
their longest catch. He had three at twenty plus. Everyone
was contributing today. You know, four catches for Hunter Henry
thirty three yards, three catches for Douglas. Hooper only has two.

(12:14):
But once the big touchdown, you know, Holland's coming through
with two catches. But along at twenty seven. Just we
talked a lot about this. Everybody contributed, everyone was there.
Nobody came out of this game feeling like they were
a passenger. You needed all these guys to make a play.
And it's what I've kind of been waiting for a
little bit. And you know, Booty's been the consistent one.
He's always going to come up with two or three
important catches. But now to see the rest of the

(12:36):
roster contribute those kind of catches, you know, to me.
And then the second part, which I'm sure we're certainly
going to get to, the ability to be able to
run the ball a little bit. You know, you're starting
to see what a fully well rounded offense can do.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, and Stevenson would be that guy. I mean, eighteen
for eighty eight, four point nine touchdown. I thought he
ran with conviction. I thought he looked a little bit
more like his normal self today. Now, obviously it helps
to have the amount of room that they had. You know,
early on, there was some there was some holes that
he was able to shoot through, but he also made

(13:10):
some guys missed today, and I thought avoided some negative
plays in the backfield and was able to get you know,
four yards on a play that looked like it was
gonna be minus two. But I thought a little bit
more like the Remandre that we've seen in the past.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Such a kind of striking distance early in the game
with the amount of space that he had to work with,
and he was decisive and you know, I thought he
finished runs pretty well obviously protected the football. I mean,
I think my question is, you know, there was a
little drop off. It felt like in the second half
he wanted to kind of run it out. Wasn't quite
as easy as you might have hoped. But you know,
for two guys, I mean basically Stevenson carried the vast

(13:45):
majority of the load. I mean Henderson only had what
two attempts. I mean, so it was it was that
was a Stevenson dumb But you know, got to get
Tarel Jennings in there and get him some touches as well,
which I think is, you know, nice, But give it
up for Remondre. A lot of a lot of volume
today and I think maybe some growing confidence from him,
And then I think we're gonna hear from him in
a minute.

Speaker 6 (14:04):
We should be fun to chat with him about the game.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
For him, hopefully it will be as enthusias Pop Douggs
was last week. Uh one person on my lift switching
sides of the ball calevon Chase on the TD overall,
just making a statement on the on the field today,
despite I know you weren't a big fan of the defense,
but yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
No, the defense was fine today.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I just don't think that they were as good as
the numbers would would show you. And then the accolades
that were getting in the second half by the broadcast crew.
But yeah, Chase On I thought was active in the
game early on. I thought he had some good pressure.
He blew up a potential end around, you know, he
made uh I think it was DK He made him
go the long way around. He ended up getting a
few yards, but you know, any chance of that being

(14:47):
a big play was stopped by Chase On's you know,
penetration on the play. We'll just call it that, you know,
just you know, a little red zone interlude. I think
you know that that a J. Brown, you know fantasy
that people have had to think that might I think
that might have been Those days were over completely disappeared today.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Big big day for A J.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Brown and looks like a big win for the the
Eagles on the road. But I do I had Chase
On on my list. A couple of sacks, I mean, yeah,
you end up with a it's funny you end up
with a sack, a forced bumble, a fumble return for
a touchdown, and a play. He never made contact with
cam Wood, but I thought it was a good game
for him overall.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
He too really active, and you know, with Landry a
little banged up and didn't hear his name a lot.
But you know, I just think they need that athleticism
on the end that that Chase On brings. And you know,
any time he's gone on the spot, I mean, look,
catching the ball no easy task. But he was really good,
I thought in a day where you know, they thought
the defense just did just enough. Yeah, we'll get into that, yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
So I also had Milton Williams, who I thought in
the first half, when the Titans offense was playing well,
they had a couple of plays that look like you know,
there were like four or five yard runs that looked
like they had a chance for something, and then Milton
Williams drags a guy down or I think he blew
up a screen well something that looked like they were
trying to set up a screen at one point, and

(16:12):
then he had a big sack in the second half
with like on a third and short too. It's like
a third and two play action. He just completely blew
the play up in the backfield. So Milton Williams, I
thought again today showed up.

Speaker 10 (16:25):
Yeah, reviewing my notes, actually this is it sounds like
I'm trying to be funny, but I put Joshobson on
there just because of the way when we think next
man up mentality the okay, I felt silly writing it,
but I wanted.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
To give him as Okay, it's another.

Speaker 11 (16:47):
No.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
But just going on the top of the third, Will
Drake is in this, you know, quick concussion protocol getting
that first reception. We were watching it like, oh my goodness,
what's gonna happen?

Speaker 3 (16:58):
But yeah, so that's the difference between twenty to thirteen
and twenty four to thirteen.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
So it's another example of I'm not going to ask
you to do a lot of things, but.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
When I call on you to be ready and shakes
a guy off.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
So that was a good play by Dobbs and I
absolutely had him on my list for that.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
I'm just going to throw Vabel on there.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Because three home three road wins, it's not easy to
do in this league, and no matter who you're facing.
There was a lot on this game. You know, they
didn't come out great on the defensive side of the ball.
But I just think that this team to go on
a three game rotter, something has never been done in
team history. To win three straight on the road in
the regular season, really impressive, and.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Since nineteen sixty one, since.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
The af the modern era.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
Just want I just you know, for get specific.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
It's like facts, yeah, the old I know, that's where
you get confusing the Patriots from the AFL. But I
just I think he kept this team together, He kept
this team focused.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
That kind of travel ever easy.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Nobody loves having to get back on a plane three
times in three weeks. So you know, just to Vrabel
and his coaching staff keeping that team focused and you know,
the ability to win three games on the road not
easy to do mentally.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
Is it like time zone changes packing your little things?
You know, did they change times? Well for New Orleans
and then for Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Ye, yeah, this was there should be a tie.

Speaker 7 (18:15):
I think.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
I think that's an hour. You know, maps are hard.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
So I also had Douglas because of that, you know
that catch, and again I thought he might have drifted.
I mean, I don't know for sure. I mean I
have to go back and look and maybe talk to
the players themselves, but I'm wondering if that's one of
those Drake is looking for him to sit in that
hole in the zone and he keeps drifting. Be that
as it may. That's a terrific one handy catch on

(18:41):
fourth down. Again, So now at that point, you know,
that's that that's shortly after the the Josh Dobbs completion.
So if this, if this falls incomplete, oh yeah, if
that falls incomplete, you get no points and you're still
only up seventeen thirteen.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
I said to you, I would have.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Kicked the field goal because I feel like the Patriots
are completely dominating the game and they're only up four points.
Yeah right, And I you know, fortunately for the for
Vable and the Patriots, Douglas comes up with a huge catch.
But I had Douglas on on my good list for
that play, and he had the catch on third down
for Dobbs too, so they had big you know, those
are big catches. Again, didn't ask you to do a lot, right,

(19:22):
but when we called on you to, you know, three
catches for seventeen yards yeah, targets three catches. I mean,
everybody who got targeted today basically caught the ball. There
were two incompletions the whole game.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
So yeah, no, it's I mean that goes back to
just you know, the overall complimentary play from the other
players and everybody stepping up and making contributions to the win.
I imagine, you know, that helps feeling great about after
a win like this. You got this hard part of
the schedule over with, You're gonna come home. You're gonna
be at home the next two weeks. Imagine this is
a pretty pretty excited Patriots team.

Speaker 12 (19:55):
Oh you want to go back home? Oh yeah, all right,
who else do we have? I think that's kind of yeah.
I think for me, generally speaking, I thought, uh no, that.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Was that was about it for me.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
I had the Christian all was had a big, big
hit on a kickoff return. But that was like one
of those individual plays if we're looking for, you know,
I just that was it. I mean, I thought the
offense was just terrific.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yep. Well let's flip into the bats and you know,
I'll just put with the defensive start. I mean, once
the game, once the game shifted like I said that
three touchdown like swing twenty one point swing. I mean,
you went from being down three to up by a bunch.
I thought that aided the defense. And but you know,
previous to that point, they're getting help from a holding call,

(20:39):
they're getting help from a false start. You know, like
the stops they did get, they needed like some help
from from the calls. They weren't making a lot of plays.
It just felt like they kind of came off flat
first half. They really didn't come up with any stops. Yeah, nothing,
And I mean it just it felt like Spencer Ratler
last week, where he's just completing everything and you know
I didn't last week. It felt like, and this is
on you know my initial impression that Ratler made some

(21:01):
throws under pressure, at least with some guys in his face.
Today you're seeing some highlights right now where there's a
pretty good pocket and time for him to kind of
get through the progressions. The big touchdown to Marcus Jones,
I kind of felt like was a was.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
A pressure Jones and Woodson. Yeah, a lot of time Jonson, he's.

Speaker 6 (21:17):
Running across the field.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
I mean it's just it's hard to ask cornerback to
chase the whole length of the field, and when that
guy has that much time.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
So that's why I put Woodson in there. I think
he's supposed to be over.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
The top there. Yeah, you know, so that one. I
mean's just I didn't. I just was not. I mean,
I wish I could say I'm surprised, but this is
kind of what the defense does. And you know, so
far the offense lately has been so dominant that they're
able to kind of control the game. It doesn't feel
like the defense can control the game right now. It
seems like they're kind of at the mercy right now

(21:47):
of how the game is unfolding, and do they have,
you know, some help. They need someone to step up
and make a play. And then they seem to play
a little bit better.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
And I agree, Mike, you're gonna look at this the offense.
This was an old school Patriots win with the offense
bludgeoned the other team to death and then got him
in a situation they weren't comfortable in. And that's when
the Patriots defense started to look better. But even like
it's they come out with a double score which ended
the game. Right, you score at the end of the
half to go up seventeen thirteen. You get the ball
to start the second half and go up twenty four

(22:15):
to thirteen for what. I don't know if it may
have been the first play. I think it was the
first play after that. The quarterback just dropped the ball.
I mean, let's call it what it was. He just
dropped the ball. He was trying to make a pass,
the ball slipped out of his hands, bounces up to
Chase On It's thirty one thirteenth, game's over. Yeah, you know,
and then you know, from that point on, I think
it was something like the next three drives that the
Titans got nothing going. But now you have total control

(22:37):
of the game because of what your offense did. Sleepy
start to the game. I agree with Mike's Mike's bad
list for that one. Now you look at the numbers
at the end, two hundred and fifty five yards, Titans
were three for ten on third down, two turnovers. Now
you look at it like, oh, not the great performance
by the defense.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
You know, I will.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Say they did play better in the second. I thought
they took some of those some of those quick throws
to tight ends and crossing routes to the receivers. I
thought they did a better job of in the second half,
But I I came away relatively impressed with cam Ward.
I thought that he showed he showed some signs of promise.

(23:21):
He's got to get he's got to eliminate the turnovers.
You can't turn it. He's kind of like Drake May
a little bit last year. You know, you have a
lot of opportunities, you don't have a lot of help
around you, and you're turning the ball over once or
twice every game.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
You can't win that way. Just quote quick, just to
chime in with some of the next gen stats that
are now populating, it was they gave the Patriots a
thirty three point three percent pressure rate, which is below
the league average. It's one of their lower performances of
the year. So the next gen stats would back up
not great pressure from the Patriots today and for the
Titans thirty eight point nine, which is slightly better, not

(23:54):
terrible for the tame. I didn't think it was terrible
decent pressure rate.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
But I do think it was there. And uh, why.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Do we think that was a certain player? Let's put
Jared Wilson.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, I think Jared Wilson's seed to struggle a little bit.
They got beat with a guy, they got beat badly
with the blitz late in the game. Four sacks, I
mean like you were dominant offensively, and you were running
the ball really, really well. You didn't have a lot
of situations where they could pin their ears back. And
four sacks is a good amount. Now, the Patriots had
five sacks, but you know one of those was the

(24:26):
ball that the guy just dropped. I thought that they
had decent pressure. I'm surprised that number is a little
lower than I thought it would be for the Patriots.
I thought in the second half it seemed might have.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Been skewed a little bit.

Speaker 6 (24:37):
I mean, it's not terrible, it's not a terrible it's
about average.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
But I do agree with you.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
I thought the Patriots allowed a little more pressure than
you'd like. I thought some of the throwers were real
quick throws today to to to mitigate.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
That's your left guard. If your left guard's giving up a.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Couple of sacks, those are usually I think pressures in
the face a sack.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I think there were three that he was involved with today.
I saw a lot of the back of his jersey.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
Well why don't we check the next gen stats here
the numbers telling you they got Yeah, they gave They
credited uh Wilson with five quarterback pressures and two sacks.
They gave six pressures to Will Campbell and one sack
to Will Campbell. Oh, so was.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
This the first I don't believe Will Campbell has ever
given up?

Speaker 6 (25:18):
It is possible.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
And then three of them when they three to Campbell
and two to Wilson, were credited as quick pressures. Otherwise
the other guys, Michael won you pretty good day for
him as far as these stats are, can turn one
pressure here. Bradbury three pressures, one sack, So he was
a little bit behind the two rookies.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
So one of the sacks that I credited to Wilson,
they probably credited the one you were talking about Berry.
It looked like, yeah, they got split. I think to
Andre Sweat might have split between them very quickly, and
I thought it was Wilson, but they must have said
it was uh Bradbury. But I would just say it's
still a work in progress. That offensive line is so
much better than it was last year, but it's still

(25:56):
got a waste to go to be where they need it,
and I think what it does, Mike, is it really
accentuates how well Drake May is playing because I don't
think he's been protected exceptionally.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
Well.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Yeah, and that's exactly why I had the line on
my list as well. And I mean even the scare
of Drake going into concussion protocol not well, it was
their fault, isn't you know in theory. So the fact
that he's not getting the.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Ground that's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
He runs a lot, He's going to get tackled. Yeah, no,
and that's all that was.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
It's scary every time, Like I'm not, I'm not used
to this.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
Watching his head bounce twice, I.

Speaker 6 (26:31):
Was like, God, Luckily Drake came charging out of this.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
As if nothing had happened seamless.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
So I had some more more bad So the I
think the first three times the special teams are on
the field, it was not good. You know, you get
a touch back to open the game. Now, I'm going
to mitigate that a little bit because it certainly seemed
like the wind affected some of those kickoffs. Joey Slide
had one go out of bounds. I think Boragillis had

(27:02):
two touchbacks. But you know, the second kick that he
was able to keep in play, they allow him to
return it out to the forty one yard line. And
then the first punt they allow a fifteen yard part return.
So I like the special teams weren't weren't quite buttoned up.
I didn't think today, you know, to start the game.

(27:22):
Fortunately it didn't really cost them much. But you're allowing
you know, the first three possessions. I think the Titans
had started at the thirty five, the forty one and
the thirty five. I mean, that's that's not good.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Yep, yeah, I don't know if I have anything else,
Paul no.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
I thought the offense, the offense was so good today,
and even like you know, the offensive line we're talking about,
you know, they did much better job run blocking today,
even them, I you know, I don't really feel great
about having on the bad list. I just thought offensively,
they were so good today. They were able to run
and throw with reasonably equal effectiveness. That's it's kind of

(28:00):
what you're looking for.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
It's amazing what big plays can do for an offense
and the complexion of the game and how you feel
about the control of the game and for so long
over the last few years, it just feels like as
soon as you're in a little like a ten point hole,
you know. And I was kind of getting like the
flashbacks to that early in the game where it was,
you know, thirteen, I mean ten to three. It's like

(28:21):
now nothing, but still it's you just remember how hard
it has been for this team to climb out of
holes to reverse the momentum. And now with Drake May,
it's not only his ability to throw the ball down
the field, but he doesn't seem rattled. He seems cool,
calm and collected, and the team seems to be feeding
off of that. So it's you know, if they could
ever get this run game going consistently from start to finish,

(28:45):
they would they would be very very tough offense to
contend with.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
So the injured really not much a lot on the
tight in side, but I didn't want to know the
Jefferes Simmons going out early in the game questionable with
the left hamstring. Do you two think that affected anything
about this game?

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Definitely? I don't. I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
I mean, you know, when he was in there early on,
he was a tremendous player, but they were, you know,
they were running all over him when he was in there.
They were obviously running away from him. They made a
big deal out of that on the broadcast, but I
don't think.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
It had a big impact on the way. And you know,
that's the secondary you can target. And you know, it's
just like again, it's just when.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
You can make an argument that what you could do,
you can make an argument that maybe the deep passing
started after he left, maybe they felt a little bit
more comfortable. You know, it's one of those things you
can't tell because you didn't see it.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Certain they didn't help Tennessee's cause to have the best
player guy.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Right in their second too. Uh No, I think. I mean,
I saw Barbara garaar with like a lymp shoulder. I
don't think that was.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
A stink or he was back in the game.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
He was back in there. Drake obviously went into concussion
protocol for a brief moment, but ran out and came
back in. I and I don't even I didn't see
anything else. I didn't know, you know, No, I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Harold Landry looked like he was would of being spotted
a little bit early in the game, but then he
was out there. He had a sack in the second half,
which I'm sure felt real good for him.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Mean I didn't really notice much in the way of
injuries today for the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
We like that might the best news of all. This
was a little scary here with Drake.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
Why are you playing this again?

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yeah, never again, burn the tape.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
But I'm glad they checked him out. That was, like
you said, very important that they did.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
I was kind of surprised.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
It took a while, but I as soon as it happened,
I looked and I was like, now, if they're doing
it right, he should he should have to come out
of the game and get checked because you could definitely
see him get up and sort of rubble.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah, you know, you know, another just another little interesting
stat here. What's interesting, Mike, Again, Patriots played a ton
of zone coverage in this game, their highest percentage of
zone coverage since Miami. You know, they've been, you know,
a heavy man team, but they played eighty eight percent
zone today or sorry, eighty four percent. Eighty four point six,

(30:56):
so eighty five percent zone today and that would rank me. Yeah,
I mean they were eighty seven against the Dolphins. Otherwise,
it's all been around seventy, So they seem like and
maybe that's part of kind of what the problem is
a little bit with the defense, was let's just play zone,
let's sit back, let's wait.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Maybe they're searching, they're trying to figure something out because
they're doing a lot of zones, they're doing a lot
of mans, and whatever they're doing ain't working because they remain,
you know, kind of down the bottom of those past
defense statistics. But at the end of the day, you're
only allowing thirteen points.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
So they'll tell it.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
I mean, it's yeah, it's kind of counterintuitive, but it's
working for them.

Speaker 9 (31:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Well, I mean even you know, Toront Davenport, we talked
to him in the pregame show saying, now they're probably
gonna have cat coverage and stuff, and I guess they
just you know, I don't know. I mean, it's you know,
Zach Core talking this week.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I thought he was talking about Lagarious Sneed.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Was that their side? I said, cat coverage? I thought
he was talking about our guys. That's all you get
that ketch.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
But by the way, Lagarious Sneed did not play well
in this game for the Titans.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
Anyone out, So I don't know. Maybe that's part of it.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
But like I was saying, Zach Krer talking that a
lot of you guys, we're still kind of figuring it out.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
Well, all right, we're getting to the end of October.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Like I'd like to see this defense really start to
come out and you know, dictate a little bit. It
just feels like they're a speed bump right now until
Drake and the offense can get out and put some
points on and then the complexion of the game changes,
and now they've got to throw the ball a bunch
and right now we're going to cook. I just think
it's a tough it's a tough way to live. The
good teams, you know, and you know, I mean looking

(32:27):
at the passers coming up, it's you know, it's not
going to be great next week with Dylan Gabriel and
after that Michael Penix.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
It gets a little better.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Then you get Baker Mayfield, so you know, maybe we
have to wait until that point to really see his defense,
put how their feet stuck against the against the fire,
and to see what they really have with their schedule
is going to show easy.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
They haven't had any of these teams that are capable.
But like I don't think the Titans are capable of
playing much better than that offensively based on their rankings
coming into the game. Yeah, I mean the thirtieth, thirty
first of thirty second and like nine different categories. And
they go out and they put two hundred and fifty
five yards and thirteen points on the board.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
That's what they did. Like that, that's just good.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I mean the quarterback was twenty five to thirty four
for two to fifty five.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
You know, with a touchdown and a late pickoff, a deflection,
they're not capable of playing any better than that. But so,
like to Mike's point, maybe when you see Atlanta, maybe
when you see Tampa and there's teams that are capable
of playing offense well for more than a you know,
a quarter or a quarter and a half. The way
that the you know, the last couple of weeks have gone,

(33:31):
maybe we'll get a better gauge as to where this
defense sits. I think it's good, Like the defense has
been good, but it's I think been a little bit
misleadingly good. I think that the result has been much
better than you know, the journey. Yeah, the end result
has been better than the journey.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yeah, and I just I wonder about the approach and
looking at a first year quarterback last year. Last week
you had, you know, quarterback in his second year getting
his whatever it was, fifth start. Do they get more
aggressive right out of the gate against someone like Baker
Mayfield where it's like, you know, we can't sit back
and kind of way, you know, well, we'll see. I

(34:09):
still think that this defense, and with Christian Zalez and
Carl Davis, they're meant to play man coverage and to
just you know, man up like that. But I don't know,
the matchups right now are making me feel like they're
getting a little cute with stuff, you know.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
All right, and just like that, we have Ramandre Stevenson
joining us here on the Patriots post game show.

Speaker 6 (34:28):
Welcome in, So how are you feeling there?

Speaker 4 (34:32):
It seems like you guys got off to a good start,
some good space for you to run early on. Did
that kind of set the tone for you having a
good day?

Speaker 13 (34:39):
Yeah, that definitely set the tone. The all line was
moving them guys up front and giving me plenty of
allance to run through.

Speaker 14 (34:44):
So yeah, all.

Speaker 15 (34:47):
Thanks to them.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
We know that the Titans rushing defense has struggled this
season overall. Is there anything that you saw in particular
that made you maximize on them early?

Speaker 15 (34:58):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (34:58):
Now, I wouldn't say that on film. Honestly, they're you know,
active defense. They got a good front seven. But I
feel like our O line went in. You know, bray
Will kind of challenge us to run the ball this week,
and so I feel like we did a great job
of that.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
For mind you, when we listened to Mike Grabel talk
during the course of the week, there are times when
he sort of harps on one particular thing and then
we see that on Sunday this week he talked a
lot about the running game and and sort of needing
to get it going. Was that something that got you
excited heading into this game knowing that you were going
to be a big part of the game plan.

Speaker 15 (35:29):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (35:29):
Yeah, you know, just all the backs we took the challenge,
The OH line took the challenge, and I feel like
we did a great job of that. Got to go
back and look at the film, but I feel like
we were officient on the on the run.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Ronnie, Just what's the feeling in the locker room you guys?
Three straight wins on the road I know it's not
easy to win on the road in the NFL. What
can you guys take from this, you know, three game
stretch where you really played well on the road three
three straight times.

Speaker 13 (35:53):
Yeah, just look at the film and see what we
did well, See why we won those games. See how
we could you know, tighten up and things like that.
But it's great winning on the road. It's hard to
do it, like you said, so I'm just excited about
it and gonna enjoy this win for next day or two.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
Yeah, I'm able to definitely preaches enjoy it till tonight
and then you guys move on to the next game.
But for you personally, what are you taking away from
this win as you head into week eight?

Speaker 13 (36:17):
Just be myself, don't let don't let ball security, you know,
kind of crush me a little bit. Just just run
with what I see and run how you know, I
know how to run, and you know, everything else will
come with it.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
I remind Dre.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Let you enjoy the win, three game road trip three
and oh on that road trip, it's got to feel
pretty satisfying for you.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Have a safe trip back. Yeah, I appreciate you guys,
Thank you, congrats. Yeah, I thought. I thought he was terrific,
you know.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
You know, he talked about the ball security, which I
you know, I know it sounds funny, but I like
the way he talks about it.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
And I know that.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Everybody's gonna be like, I don't care, I don't care
he's got to hold onto the ball, but like, yeah, yeah,
it's exactly what he saying. Like he's recognizing he's wearing it.
There's an accountability there. And and you know, today I
didn't see any signs of any issues. You know, there's
been a little talk the last couple of weeks about
are you running a little bit more cautiously in an

(37:10):
effort to do that. I didn't see any signs of
that today. Saw the old Remondra today.

Speaker 6 (37:15):
Do now I'd be I mean, he's such an X
factor for this team.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
And I mean, going back to what I said in
the pregame show, asking a lot to have him do this, eighteen,
I mean eighteen isn't crazy. But again, the game was
kind of out of hand. They could take him out
of the game. So I mean, if they were really
having to play this whole game, it was going to
be a twenty twenty two twenty three carry kind of
the day for him. So I don't think that's sustainable.
But if he can continue to kind of run with confidence,

(37:39):
and you know, you when you ask him, like what
can he take from this, I'm like, I hope it's
a budding confidence of I can handle the ball almost
twenty times and you know, put some of this stuff
behind me, build some confidence. I mean, there's no question
they're not going to find a better running back than
Remondra Stevenson on the market right now.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
So he's got to be the guy to lead the way.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
And you know, getting these games where he plays well,
he gets some confidence. It's huge for the offense, and
I mean it's huge for Drake and really seeing how
hot what is this offensive ceiling? That's what I want
to find out now, and you're gonna need Remindra Stevenson
to find out.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
They must have been watching the pregame show when we
mentioned the trade that they weren't all right actually.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
As well be getting ready for the game, right all right.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
We're getting calls and emails of course, and Christian and
La I think you called before the show started, So
I'm gonna prop you up first.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Hi, Christian, Hey, you guys thy.

Speaker 16 (38:25):
Happy when happy Sundays. Thank you for taking my call
once again. Uh, great game. Nothing really to nitpick. I
was a little upset about, uh, the the zone defense
in the beginning. I just don't think we are made
for the zone defense. Like you guys said, we have
the dogs to man up on guys like their receivers
should not have scared us into the zone defense. But
I don't know why we were in zone defense.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Uh.

Speaker 16 (38:47):
I was just phenomenally pleased with Drake. May I have
come one into this guy's camp. This kid is phenomenal.
He's already best at Brady in a completion percentage. That's
that's the phenomenal in itself, right, So he's he's a really,
he's the real deal. My only nitpick would be, I'm afraid,
guys that we're going to turn out to be a

(39:09):
paper tiger this year. What do I mean by that?
Will probably wind up in the playoffs, right, because we're
playing good and we have a light schedule, but they
will likely kind of run up against a really good
team and losing the playoffs and being not a great
position to get a good draft choice. But yes, being
in the playoffs is good. So that that's my only
thing that I have to say is how real can
this be? And how deep can we go? And is

(39:29):
it time to spend the money and get a dog receiver?
This time? He's ready, Let's do it. Let's spend the money.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
I say, take a game by game that's stressed about
the playoffs just yet, but I get it.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
He never's just to amazement.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
He's speechless. You got Balbarolo speechless.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
So all right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna play. Please,
I'll play Alex. Who's the team? Like that, you would say, Wow,
good little run we had here, but it's going to end. Now,
who's the team? Just like the worst NFL that we've

(40:09):
had in like fifteen years, Like there's no great team.
Nobody has emerged as like, wow, they're really good. So
why are you fearful that when you get up against
quote unquote a good team you won't be able to compete?
You've played one good team out of the how many
games they play? Seven games? Now five and two. You

(40:32):
played one good team out of the five that you
out of the seven that you've played, and you beat
them in their place on Sunday night football, Right, So
why would you like, even if you would going to
Buffalo for a playoff game, why would you go into
that game and say, well, you know, we're not gonna
I'm afraid we won't be able to compete. Why and

(40:52):
why would you worry about that at this point instead
of being you know, excited that you have a quarterback
who's going to obviously give you chance to.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Win every game week by week.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah, we just talked about the zone and man thing,
they've completed one of them. Well, so I'm not killing
the coaches. Well, I don't know why they went predominantly
zone today, but I think they're searching for answers. They're
trying to figure out why they can't stop the pass
when they don't get pressure. I think that's what they're
trying to do. I don't know, that's a question for
Mike Rabel and Zach Korer. But I couldn't be more

(41:26):
excited about this offense. Really, they haven't had an offense
like this since seventeen sixteen seventeen, it's.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Been a while. It's been a while.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
They haven't had an offense that's been capable of scoring,
you know, virtually every time they get the ball.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yeah. Well, I mean even if you talk about being
concerned about the defense and not thinking they're going to
be able to stop good offenses, it's like, are we
looking at shootouts now that but at least you feel like.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
Oh, we could probably at least compete.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
I mean, you know, if you had some of the
old quarterbacks here from the last few years, you don't
feel that good about it. But you know, my my
concern now is just you know, getting this defense to
a point where they can come out play well and
match up against some of these better teams. But it'll
be really I mean, it's it's gonna be really interesting. Well,
I mean, next week it's Dyllan Gabriel. You know they
I do think Cleveland's got some pieces on offense. They've

(42:14):
got a very good defense. It's very physical and that's
going to be a lot of challenges for Drake May.
So you know, next week could be the week where
you know, it isn't quite as easy to put thirty
plus on the board, and you know, the defense has
got to make a few more plays early than they
had to make today.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, and this one was a little deceptive because I
think the way the game just changed in the blink
with that twenty one point barrage. They scored twenty one
points in the span of about five plays, change the
point so quick. But I mean reality, it's another twenty
four point game, you know. And offensively, I think they
look like they should have scored more than that today.

(42:49):
But I do think this was one of those games
they throttled it down, like you get to the middle
of the third quarter and you know you have enough
points to win, let's just make sure we, you know,
take care of business, run the clock, get out of here.
And I'm not saying they just ran the ball into
the ground because they kept throwing.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
But at one point you're like, why is Drake stilling.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
The Yeah, well, not so much in the game, but
you know, we were in a drop back passing game
when we had a thirty one to thirteen lead, and
he's taken some shots like that that safety blitz, that
blitz from uh, I think it was Cedric Gray, the
linebacker blitz at the end of the game, Like that
was a there's a hit he didn't need to be taken.
But offensively, again, thirty one, you know, there wasn't really

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thirty one. It was really twenty four like they.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Should be able to. I feel like they should.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Be in the thirties on their own, and they really
haven't been in the thirties on their own. All the
games that they've been thirty, there's been either a special
teams or a defensive touchdown.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Yeah, but you make it wonder what's gonna happen if
they do have to go toe to toe with somebody.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
But I do think today, just to be in full
you know, I want to be full disclosure, I think today,
had they not gotten the defensive score and they continue
to play offense the way they you know, yeah, they
probably they would have kept scoring. I think that they
they throttled it down a little bit.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
It's just Greg's got that thing now where you can
just tell when a guy's in rhythm, and you could
just tell before the ball leaves his hand if it's
gonna be or not, because you could just tell by
the timing of it, and you know he's he's locked in,
and if it's continuous, it's trouble.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
All right, Let's head to Salem where Aiden is.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
Oh, it must be crazy already thick of Halloween.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
How's Salem treating you? Aiden? Aiden? Are you with us.
It's not all right. We're gonna move on to Jason
and Sapanna. Hello, Jason, Hey everyone.

Speaker 17 (44:43):
Hi.

Speaker 18 (44:46):
I don't know about you guys, but I'm at the
point where I think I'm going to take a moment
of silence for the rest of the NFL. I think
the worst nightmares come back at that point. But other
than that, I wasn't able to keep track of the
game lely just walking NFL red zone. But how bad
has the penalty has been so far? At least in
that game, it's been kind of a mess everywhere else

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in the league.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
No penalties weren't an issue today for anybody. The refs
were not really involved in the game at all today.
I actually said in the middle of the fourth quarter
of refreshing that when we haven't time to talk about
the refs all day exactly.

Speaker 18 (45:21):
I was gonna I was gonna say, after last week
and how many penalties there were, really felt like we
need to start doing it over under on penalty calls.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
That's yeah, they only had five today. Titans had three,
you know, so you know again you jump off side,
you know, or you have a guy you know that
they got called for too many men in the huddle
on a play, you know, penalties that you have to call,
but not otherwise not not really a factor today.

Speaker 18 (45:45):
At least it was not ridiculous and I can appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Right, Thanks Jason, Thank you. All right, let's think it
to Sean in Florida one one.

Speaker 19 (45:55):
Sean call my fellow self. I agreed, comply with the
contributions from other players, like you mentioned with that that
catch where it was kind of loft it up a
bit and uh Booty came back for his first catch
to make that. That was amazing fighting that. That made
Drake look good as well. In the fourth fourth quarter

(46:17):
when Pop was like I think it sports down, reached
out and uh to a side and made that catch
in that.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Yeah, that was a big play.

Speaker 19 (46:26):
Big play for sure.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
That allows you to put the game away.

Speaker 20 (46:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (46:31):
I have one question though, do you think the Titans
in the first quarter or maybe even the first half,
we're having a lighter box and that led to some
even more success for for Monte. So I'll leave you
on that.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Go Pat, my guess is yes, but I you know,
I when you're watching on TV, you can't always tell that.
But my guess is that they probably made some adjustments
in the second half and did that, but like that
that they That would encourage me the most is if
they were doing that they you know, so you're playing

(47:07):
too high and maybe trying to take the stuff away
down the field. They weren't able to take that away,
you know, like May was still making them pay for that.
So first half offensively was as good as you can get.
I mean they had the one punt, but then they
scored the other three times they had the ball, right.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Yeah, yeah, I could share some of the numbers from
Mike next Gen.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
I would love it if you would share that with
us and not hog all the information in their own.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
It's nice to have, you know, Look, it's only one
piece of the pie. And this isn't the gospel of
what you know. This is one one outlets impression of it.
I always do. But against the light box six attempts
forty three yards a seven point two yards per carry,
three successful runs two ten plus yards against the light box,
against a neutral box with seven defenders, forty four percent

(47:52):
of his attempts eight attempts forty one yards five point
one yards per carry, four successful carries, three three were
stuffed and one ten plus yards, So yeah, he did
definitely have some better success those on those six attempts
against the lighter box, with two big runs off of
those against the stack box just four yards on four carries,

(48:13):
just one of those being successful to run stuff. So yeah,
maybe they did take a little bit of an advantage
of the lighter box, but you know, that's a good
place to start.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
Hopefully they're able to you know, continue to build off
of that.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
As we'd be kind of animated and I was kind
of saving this till after we talked to Mander. Just
felt in the second half there was no room, there
was no room for them to run. There were more
stuff runs the first half, first quarter especially, just felt like, wow,
there's some room there today. Now, maybe that was you know,
you can break it down by quarter and all that stuff.
Maybe it was early on they just came out saying
we're going to dare you to run it, but but

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you got to start somewhere. I guess we'll take it
for today.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
I think you might appreciate this email, Paul. So we
talk about a lot of times Drake May's skill set
versus Josh McDaniel's play calling. So Spie in fresno Is
said in the off season, there was much consideration that
Josh's offense might be putting too much on Drake's play.
Clearly that take age like milk, but how is it
in the reverse true that Josh has adjusted to his

(49:11):
scheme to maximize on Drake's skill set. It's a great
marriage and Drake is awesome, but Josh deserves huge credit too.

Speaker 10 (49:18):
Sis.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Yeah, I mean some of them, you know, moving in
the pocket a little bit, some of the mobility stuff.
But I mean, whatever he's doing, the kid understands what
he's selling right now, and he looks, you know, he
looks comfortable.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
I'm just like, this is Drake may I mean, I'm sorry.
He's not throwing to wide open guys all over the field.
He's dropping balls into you know, these shots on the sideline.
He had two within the span of about three plays,
one on the left side line, one on the right sideline,
one booty one to Hollins Like these are throws that
not every guy in the NFL will even attempt. And

(49:49):
you know the one that Mike talked about earlier in
the second half to digs down the sideline guys right
on him. The touchdown throw to Hooper, guys right on.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Him, Like.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
I just the guy's playing an exceptionally high level right now.
If you want to give all all that credit to
the offensive coin. I love Josh McDaniels as much as
anyone here. Mike and I had an unbelievable sit down
with him like two years ago where we broke down
all of Tom Brady's highlights. I'll talk Josh McDaniels with
you all day. I love the guy, I really do.
I really enjoy talking to the guy. This is about

(50:20):
Drake May. He's lifted his game to a whole different level.
This isn't just about schemes. This is about Drake May
playing at an exceptionally high level.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
But can't both things to be true?

Speaker 7 (50:31):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (50:32):
You know, I just like because sometimes we get into
this and but this is all Josh McDaniels. I just think,
why it As much as a coach can get credit
for a great player, I think you have to give
Josh that credit. And I'm not saying you know you're great.
The majority of the credit the blungs to Drake May.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
But so now I'm with you. You know, if we
can we can do it that way I'm not hearing.
I'm hearing the like a lot of the media, I'm
hearing all about like, Wow, he's scheming this up and
then setting this play up here and that play here,
And I'm like, yeah, that's great. You can scheme up
all the plays and you want. If you don't have
a guy that's capable of physically making the plays like
he has, yeah, it doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
I think for me what stands out though, is just
watching an offense the last three years that didn't look
very coordinated, and it made players look probably worse than
they even were, and there was no understanding of sequencing
of plays or knowing you know what buttons to push
and throw is sick. But Paul's right, you know, Drake
deserves the majority of the credit. But I look at

(51:29):
it as teaching and does the student look like he's
understanding what the teachers are telling him right now?

Speaker 7 (51:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (51:34):
It does, you know. And it's looked like that from
the summer. It's never you know, look like, what the
hell's going on out there? They they can't get a
playoff there? You know that Just for me, like it's
hard to like extract the coaching from the player.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
Sometimes but when you've seen.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Some bad coaching over the last couple of years, it
just makes me appreciate a little bit more that you've
got a confident guy who knows what he's doing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Well, I'll give McDaniel's credit. Is the pocket presence that
may have shown the ball security in the pocket, you know,
the you know, the two hand ripped throughs, the footwork,
the moving around, that kind of stuff. I think that
that's been drilled into him. Now, whether Ashton Grant gets
that credit because I know that's what Rabel has been
talking about a little bit. You know, Thomas Brown, you know,
with the passing game coordinator. Maybe some of these different guys,

(52:15):
these different voices coming in and helping Josh a little bit.
Maybe it's a collaborative. I will give the coaching a
lot of credit for that, because he looks like a
different guy in the pocket. The physical execution of these plays,
oh yeah, is some of these plays are very very
high level of execution.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
And I just I mean, I look at I look
at when we watched him in training camp as a
rookie last year without even really any coaching, and he's
making these crazy downfield throws. His first touchdown throw to
Booty last year against the Texans. That kind of throw,
like that physical talent to put the ball downfield, an
absolute pinpoint accuracy like that is a Drake May gift

(52:55):
that he has confidence. And I think Josh was asked
a couple of weeks ago, like, you know, do you
find him getting more confident the dock. He's like, he's
never like coming like that is true, And I say,
from when we've seen this kid, he is not afraid
to whip it downfield. And now he's you know, I
mean he's hitting Booty down the field like left and right.
So it's just a it's all, it's all clicking right now.
And no matter how you want to divvy up any pie,
like Drake May is in fuego and if he can

(53:17):
maintain this, then he's gonna have the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
And a lot of Really he's actually just nailed it
right there, like who cares?

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Who cares? Who's who's got to get the credit? Pie?

Speaker 6 (53:24):
And then I'm this much, who's got to.

Speaker 5 (53:26):
Get the bottom line.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
There's the offense from the size and playing at such
a high level.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
His brothers beat the crap out of him and made
him like really competitive.

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Speaker 5 (01:00:24):
Thanks for sticking with us here on the Patriots Postgame
Show presented by Draft Kings. We have an addition to
the table. Matt Smith is here. Paule Parilla of course,
and Mike do so. You are suffering from injury right now, So.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
A little bit of an ankle injury today and a
coach in a flag football game. The coach got injured,
but I think in a power through the last forty
five minutes in.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Case you wonder when you lost the game, Yeah, fortunate
changes need.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
To be made to stick right here. I know, I
know you think with all the brilliant analysis I provide
that you give changes are coming year old flag football team.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
But apparently not.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
I think you could get ladies and gentlemen very high
Ima the Drake May High train.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Matt Is just left the station left.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Everyone's welcome, people on, people on, not dog Tojo last year,
I would take him over everybody. Yeah, I mean he
looks like I'm consistent.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Yeah, how are you feeling.

Speaker 8 (01:01:15):
Any sliding questions or concerns or anything like that?

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
What do you mean by sliding?

Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
Harm?

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
No scary, It's a thriller ride watching it. I mean, man, yeah,
I mean it's it's I mean what Buffalo Bills fans
must feel watching Josh Allen when he you know, runs
the ball, takes the matters into his own hands. It's
exciting and great to have that ability on a second
or third down and long that everybody's covered and the
quarterback's able to run. But you know that it comes
with a level of risk with this kind of quarterback

(01:01:44):
place in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Like those are big conversions, like you know, you got
to take He's going to get nicked up.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
We know that. But yeah, I don't have any issues.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
Films and running right now. But I think the biggest
concern was that concussion protocol earlier today. But if you
have a quarter act that can extend the play and
move the chains, I think you're never gonna be sl that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Display we're watching right here for those watching the Videoary,
you know, had a little scramble out the middle and
he just felt like he got the first down and
then you know when he fumbled it kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Every time three times I thought they did it, you know,
I was surprised. But they mentioned that there's three times
the ball ended up sort of loose, and I think
he was probably down on all three of them.

Speaker 8 (01:02:24):
But Charles Davis said something during the telecast they got
to clean it up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
I agree with that, So that would be my concern
is the ball more so than him. But yeah, I
understand what you're saying, Matt about you know, there's there's
some times I think he could have probably gotten the
first down and gotten down like he did on that
play was the yard shore of the first down. They
just showed no need to take any extra hits.

Speaker 8 (01:02:46):
I agree, I mean, no disrespect to Josh Dobbs who
came in and that was a nice rush off the
guy and make the completion everything like that. But at
seventeen thirteen and mays all over to the sideline, I
think people are going, what's going on here a little
bit and you could see what much life going to
look like without Drake may Well, don't.

Speaker 6 (01:03:02):
I don't think people want to see that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
No again, no disrespect. I don't want to see it now.

Speaker 8 (01:03:08):
So that's my only point about just you know, reaffirming
maybe the coaching staff gotta be careful.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
I would live to play, yeah, I would. Saying he's
improved on it, I still feel like there's a middle
ground that he needs to kind of find where it
still feels a little bit on the risky side with
some of these where you know, I mean, I've always
said it, there's just nothing more demoralizing than when the
quarterback just gets the first down, takes a little slide,
pops back up, and then like drops the ball off,
you know, instead of like trying to get those two
extra yards and and kind of getting pinball between two

(01:03:37):
defensive backs for a couple that a couple of times,
it's almost like that is like, well, you know that
gives the defense like, yeah, I got that, but we
got a little hit on him. Whereas when he just
pops up untouched and does the little flip, right, we
go again first down. We got to figure out a
whay stop this guy just I'd like to see the
balance a little bit better, but that's gonna be his game.
You don't want to take that away from him.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
Like to be emailed about putting too much on Drake's play,
but I think now it seems like he's putting too
much on his plate thinking he has to carry. Yes,
he carries an offense literally, but to your point, no
question being careful for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
So let's go into the locker room.

Speaker 8 (01:04:11):
The story of the day going into the game was
the return of Mike Rabel, and let's hear from the
Patriots head coach after they win today.

Speaker 24 (01:04:17):
I think an emotional game, emotional stretch for us, I
meant something that this team organization hasn't done, and it's
done a lot and again, that doesn't do anything, but
again the grind of coming back and getting prepared.

Speaker 15 (01:04:31):
And staying in the game.

Speaker 24 (01:04:32):
We've played really well in the second half, you know,
that's what I'm really proud of. And sometimes you don't
always know how these games are going to go, and
you know, we certainly have to start faster, but really
proud of the way that we've played, you know, giving
up three points in the last two halves of football offensively, Really,
if we don't beat ourselves, it's been a good product

(01:04:55):
and was that same way today. I love the fact
that we're finishing with the football special teams. Unfortunately, you know,
with a penalty, but you know, we had some good
kick coverage, some inconsistent kick coverage. So again there was
some good ones and there's some bad ones, and that's
kind of where it's been. But in the end, I
felt like we did enough. So excited for these guys
and I appreciate the support of our fans to come

(01:05:17):
down here and be excited and be into the football game.
And we got to continue to give them things to
cheer about and to travel and to come back and
play really well home.

Speaker 15 (01:05:27):
So that's what I'm proud of.

Speaker 12 (01:05:28):
Them.

Speaker 24 (01:05:29):
I'm happy for these players, you know, have a little
bit momentum and to continue to build it throughout the week.
It's not just the running back. And again we say
the running back doesn't do a good job, and we
got to run it better. But we got a block
better and I felt like there were some running lanes
and when there weren't, we were able to stick them
downhill and be able to push some piles. We had

(01:05:51):
some some double digit runs, we had some dirty runs.
It was great to see us finish there at the end.
So I think it's always a combination. And we took
care of football and that's really the formula, and and
they and they made a mistake there that we.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
We were able to capitalize on. Going on the road
to Miami and.

Speaker 24 (01:06:09):
And having a you know, difficult environment to play and
the heat and the back and forth, and you know,
I felt like that told us a lot about who
we were. We just you know, we kind of dipped
our tone of water the first game. And I was
really proud of what they did and in practice and
going down there, and I think that really showed them
It's always been a tough place for you know, us

(01:06:31):
to play, so I think that was really important for us,
and that created a lot of positive momentum. You know,
we didn't get discouraged when we you know, had a
bunch of turnovers, but you know, I had a chance
against Pittsburgh and then you know, we played some pretty
decent football and we played good enough to win.

Speaker 8 (01:06:49):
That last answer and reference to a question, when did
you start to see that maybe your team was building
or growing a little something? And they started with you know,
going down to Miami, winning a place that's not very easy.
If I might digress, If I may digress for a second,
a little nerdy media stuff, inside media stuff with coach
Rabel in the pregame. ESPN and Mike Reese did a
really nice piece on the fact that Mike calls on

(01:07:11):
in Tennessee it was a woman by the name of
Teresa who worked with the Associated Press always called on
her first, and now here in New England he's carried
over that tradition with Karen.

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
Grigan, so a nice little piece.

Speaker 8 (01:07:22):
He's answering questions in the postgame, and Dan Roach, our
friend from WBZ TV four, asked the questions.

Speaker 6 (01:07:27):
He goes, wait a minute, He goes, did you just celebrate.

Speaker 8 (01:07:29):
Twenty five years at WBZ and Roachie goes, yeah, yeah,
he goes, that's a that's a hell of a job, man.
Congratulations on that. Good for Mike doesn't have to do it,
recognizes Teresa in the AP with Tennessee. Karen here with
mass Live says something to Dan roach I just thought
that was kind of a classic move by that favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
She didn't recognize my twenty fifteen.

Speaker 8 (01:07:49):
They they didn't have a segment few like they did
on WBC, because they had a segment for him on that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
It was a great segment. The organization recognized it. They
gave me a ball. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:07:58):
Now inside the locker room, we'll listen to the players
and Mike Rabel, their head coach, was a topic of
conversation amongst the players as well.

Speaker 25 (01:08:05):
With Coach Rabel and his staff. I think we're just
trying to, you know, buy into each other and build
an identity. And I think that's what's kind of the
biggest thing for me. I'm trying to he'll be the
same player, you know, every week. And I think those
guys from this game last year, yeah, left the bad
taste of our mouth. Sota came out here with the win.

Speaker 15 (01:08:21):
It was huge.

Speaker 26 (01:08:22):
I think the first thing we was talking about to
have time is stop waiting on somebody to make the play,
and somebody be the one to make the play. So
Brace kept emphasizing that for sure, something that we went
over all week and just came to match in the
hand and being able to recover the ball and get
in the box.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
And how good to feel, you know, after the offense
out there for soeven and a half you guys to.

Speaker 26 (01:08:39):
Come right back and bro static. It's something that we needed. Obviously,
we was feeling like the energy on the defense wending
up to part like we would like it to be.
So it was a jump start to get it going.
And man, I feel like we just started rolling out
of that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
For sure.

Speaker 25 (01:08:52):
He downplayed all week, which we appreciate.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
You know.

Speaker 25 (01:08:54):
I think he was focused on us and worried about us,
and that's what matters. But I know that it feels
good for him.

Speaker 26 (01:08:59):
Would you gain such a with your peers and obviously
with your coach man, they try not to make it
more thing with keep their guys in the love head,
but you know it's personal form and and we just
want to play hard for him and give them everything
we got to make sure they come out on top
and they get the exact feeling that they would like
to feel at the end of the game. So definitely
was some extraduce on the defensive end to make sure
that our guys. Anybody that you know what I'm saying
that came from this team or it just was a

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part of this organization. Anyway, Man, they got their revenge
and they came out on top.

Speaker 7 (01:09:23):
The boys.

Speaker 14 (01:09:24):
The key keeping this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
On the ends, you were really generating today moving forward
next week the week got that specific.

Speaker 13 (01:09:30):
Man, just attacking practice the same way we did last week.
You know, just have just just stacked the days, just
stack the days, be consistent. Uh, you know, we got
a pretty relentless team. And then I loved that about us.
We take challenges and you know we we we passed
the test.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
Pass the test.

Speaker 8 (01:09:48):
Interesting stuff from Amandre Stevenson who's seen it, I think
on a bunch of different levels with a bunch of
different staffs here. And could you hear him say like
they passed the test.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
Yeah, but also the way they gushed over him a
professional way, you clearly can tell this team is all
in on mile no question.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
I think what stood out to me was cleaveon Chasing
saying they came out with like low energy and somebody
needed to make a play. And I just like that's
a recurring theme, Like we've heard the same thing from them,
Like why Robertsplain is one of the most intense dudes
I've had the opportunity to like watch. I mean, mil
Williams is locked in, and I just don't quite understand
why the slow starts for this team and why they

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come out someone needs to make a play, Like you
have guys that seem like they're focused on this all
week pretty hard, and then they get to the game
day and it's like, oh, a rookie quarterback, but up
up right down the field on them, I just there's
a disconnect right now that I just I don't quite understand,
Like why are these guys not showing up right?

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
And that's what we talked about earlier in the show.
You know, you have an offense right now that's playing
at a very high level and Drake may is playing
out of his mind and you have an opportunity because
of that to compete in these games and win these games.
But going forward, will this performance on the defensive side
be good enough. You keep playing teams that don't have

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the ability to do anything more than they're doing. They've
played seven games and I believe five of them are
against teams with one win. They don't have the ability
to score any more than they're scoring. Like, that's as
good as performance as Tennessee's had all year offensively, and
you're able to shut them out in the second half.

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New Orleans last week, same kind of deal. They didn't
play that well offensively all year. In the game against you,
they score three points in the second half because they're
just not good enough to do it for sixty minutes. Now,
Fortunately for the patriots're playing another team next week that
doesn't have the ability to do it in Cleveland. So
this is why I think you have the buy in

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with Rabel, because you get in the tangible results. You're
winning these games, and you're having this success and you're
stacking them, and with every one of these wins, you're
getting closer to where you want to be and back
to that road, you know, re building and getting back
into relevance.

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
This is why they're buying in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
They're getting their results, and it's just will it be
enough to overcome what you were talking about, Mike, can
you afford to just allow the other team to go
out and score three of the first four times they
have the ball every game, which seems like it happens
almost every game. Even Carolina gave you won forty one
to whatever. You know you I think it was forty

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forty two to thirteen. Carolina moved the ball it will
in the first half, but that's six times they drove
into Patriot's territory.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
Well, I think they're.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Just not good enough to score anymore than they scored.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (01:12:35):
I think you had a really good point in the
pregame show where you talked about it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
I mean a lot of them. Sorry, I.

Speaker 8 (01:12:42):
But the point that you're making are we getting a
little bit too far? We're getting a little bit too
far ahead of ourselves. Okay, the thirty one to thirteen win,
I think today, I think if somebody had just given
you the score, you said, oh yeah, I figured that
that's what's going to happen. It's the way they actually
won thirty one thirteen.

Speaker 6 (01:12:56):
That's kind of interesting. But it isn't just a given
with this team.

Speaker 8 (01:13:00):
They're not good enough to just sit there and roll
the balls out and win the game. I think it's
interesting how far they've come that you're analyzing these guys, well,
you know, why is the defense, you know, not getting
after it right out of the shoot? Why are they
allowing teams to go down? You know, if they can
continue to have these problems while continuing to stack wins, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
And that's why the way, that's why I made the
point about the tangible results or you know, that's what
allows you to buy in, because you can see when
you're playing, well, what's the potential? You know, and they
play they play well in spurts. Now today I thought
they played well offensively the whole game. They thwarttled it
down at the end and just got out of there

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in the fourth quarter. But I think they could have
named the amount of points they wanted to score today offensively,
but not so defensively. I like I said, I thought
Kim Ward, I thought he he looked good at times.
He's just a little young, and they don't really have
anything around him. Their best weapon was not playing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
They need to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
I think they need to be a little better defensively.
The numbers would tell you they're terrific. Can I thirteen points,
two hundred and fifty five yards, three fo ten on
third down. You look at that and say, I'll sign
up for all of those numbers. But I think we
all would agree it didn't really look that good.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
Can I raise a concern offensively?

Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
Please?

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Everybody talked about concern.

Speaker 8 (01:14:22):
Everybody talked about how well the running game rebounded this week,
and it did, you know? And it sounded like the
players are saying in the locker room that Mike challenged
him this week. Rimandre said that he challenged the steak.
They wanted to run the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
It's funny when I asked Mermandre about that, he didn't
give us that answer.

Speaker 8 (01:14:35):
How many tackles for a loss did they have in
the running game today, Mike? How about too many?

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
I didn't think there were many offensively negative runs. They
have a lot of negative runs today. Uh yeah, so
they got five Stevenson had five stuff runs, five negative runs.

Speaker 8 (01:15:00):
Stuff like less zero one. And that's without Simmins in
the game. By the way, I'm just saying, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
I don't know, I'll take five yards and carry, okay,
I mean eighteen for eighty eight. I mean not every
run is going to go for for yards. But I
thought they ran the ball well today. Now, I thought
you were going to say Tennessee and for the most
most of the game without Simmons, I thought that was
going to be Can I nitpick? But I mean, I'll
take the way they ran the ball.

Speaker 6 (01:15:25):
I just I didn't like the negative runs.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
That's all.

Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
I just, I mean taking here a little bit more
in that shin.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
I just, you know, kim word again, like Spencer Ratler
last week, really good against pressure and versus the blitz.
I mean he was four or five against the blitz
for forty nine yards, you know, no turnovers, one hundred
and seven point five passer rating, you know, against pressure,
which was thirty. You know, a third of the snaps
he was pressure. He was five for eight for sixty
nine yards and ninety quarterback rating. So I mean he's
just you know, nothing's affecting the quarterbacks. Nothing's affecting the

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quarter There's mistakes that he made.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
But I came away, I came away impressed with him,
much like I was Rattler last week. You know, I
think they got something here. They have a lot of
work to do because that's a roster really lacking mentality.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
I feel the same way this week about War that
I follow about Rattle last week, where it's these guys
look like they know where to go with the ball.
They don't have a lot of dynamic weapons to really
push the ball down the field and make defenses pay,
but they seem to know where to go with the ball.
They don't seem rattled by any of the pressure, the
blitzes that Patriots are thrown at them. They don't see
really confused by their coverage. They seem to get into

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a rhythm pretty easily. And it's really just the complexion
of the game that has taken them out of that ability. Like,
you know, if Patriots weren't scoring on every drive, then
you know, it might be a little bit more drawn out,
it might be a little bit even. And I just
I continue to think Panix will be really interesting in
a couple of weeks. And then Baker Mayfield, like those
two quarterbacks back to back, and certainly Baker Mayfield, who's
you know, playing out of his mind right now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Those two teams have some weapons that can score.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Yeah, the Bucks got more than the weapons. They know
what to do with it this way coming out everywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
All right, Well, we're getting calls and emails. I guess
we should catch up on those. Let's go to air
Eric and tennessee.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Hi Eric, Hi, I you guys do it?

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Eric?

Speaker 5 (01:17:07):
Good.

Speaker 9 (01:17:08):
So we watched the game.

Speaker 11 (01:17:11):
Uh, pretty exciting to see our our quarterback and blossom
into something pretty special here. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
Yeah, agreed, thank you wash.

Speaker 11 (01:17:30):
Oh sorry, Yeah, so I got to take my son
to the game. We uh experienced a good win. We
went to the.

Speaker 27 (01:17:41):
Chicago game last year and that was a different feeling
than this game. Yeah, I'm just good to see our
Patriots back on top.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
And yeah, I mean everything you're saying about Drake May.
I think he gives you belief and he gives you
a feeling that you can compete. And this is why
I took exception to the call earlier in the show.
It's like, you know, I hope we're not just fooling
ourselves into think why would you think that? Why would
you like? He gives you a chance. This is old

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school Patriots. We got Brady, we got a shot. And
I'm not saying that Mays like Brady, like forget the
completion percentage nonsense, that that's not what we're talking about.
But the quarterback is playing at a level that he's
moving the ball almost every drive that he's on the field.
When that happens, you have a chance to win. You
don't have to win seventeen thirteen like you had to

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do the last three four years.

Speaker 8 (01:18:35):
Eighty eight yard drive, ninety ninety three yard drives in
the first half.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
Yeah, eleven ninety three he.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Was six or six and he had I think three
carries for like thirty yards on it, big boy drives.

Speaker 5 (01:18:47):
Can we get the ted lasso believe over our door here?
I think I'm with it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
I just you know, we spent so much time, like
after Brady left, just talking about this about finding the
next quarterback, and I hit or miss it can be,
and how difficult it can be, and how many he's
called it like you're off in the wilderness, like you
just don't you're not really relevant until you have a quarterback.
And you know, some guys come in with a lot
of hype and they flame out. Other guys come from nowhere.

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There's just no set formula to it. And you know,
even in the draft where the Patriots had two quarterbacks
taken above them who both look like very good quarterbacks
and you know, potentially gonna have their teams. In this
conversation as well, it's just remarkable to see, you know,
this kid plucked from North Carolina and we saw some
potential last year and there was plenty to be excited
about coming into this season, but to see him playing

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at this level now six seven games into his second season,
it's it's just super cool. It's super cool. It's so
hard to find. And you know, if you're a Patriots
fan who has just been like, I don't really like
watching bad football. You know, I don't like watching a
nept offense. I don't like having to win games six
to three. You know, Now you get to be excited
on Sunday when you get to watch just well, I mean,

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I remember Steve Palazola is from PFF, but he's like
a closet super Patriots fan, and I remember him always
saying I remember him always just like saying, like it's
the tweet.

Speaker 6 (01:20:04):
I'd be like, we get to watch.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Tom Brady play football today, and it's like, you know,
you get so concerned with the wins and the losses
in the playoffs and all that. It's like at the
end of the day, you're getting to watch very talented
people do very special things on the football field, and
you're seeing it consistently out of Drake May, and it's
just it's really fun to watch, you know, regardless of wins, losses,
all that stuff. It's just the kid's got some real talent.
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 8 (01:20:24):
One thing though, Mike, is you better have a structure
around your quarterback if you've got the quarterback. And I
thought CBS did a nice job with that graphic about
the last was it the last four first round number
one overall picks, Lawrence Ward, Caleb Williams.

Speaker 6 (01:20:39):
Who am I missing?

Speaker 8 (01:20:41):
There's all had their head coach fired in their first year.

Speaker 6 (01:20:45):
That can help their develop picks.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
But you know your number three overall pick had the
same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:20:50):
I know, I know, right, Yeah, so.

Speaker 8 (01:20:51):
You got to have a structure around him. And I
think I'm sure you guys have been talking about in
people's you know, I think Josh has made a difference
here and I think Josh, Tony Brown, those guys are
really made a difference in Drake May's development this year.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
It's just I mean his confidence, that's the thing. And
it's just and even just the strides that he's made
just since Week one, like week one, look like a
different quarterback. You know, people doubts after week after Week one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Is the last five games he's played at a pretty
high level.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
Now, it hasn't always been perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
I don't think he played great against Pittsburgh, you know,
I know a lot of people think he was great
that day except for the turnovers. You know that you
can't right since that Pittsburgh game, you know, he's played
at a really, really high level. And it's no surprise
to me that you've been able to be productive offensively.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
All right, let's see where instead is stead Did you
go to the game? You're in Nashville.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
Instead.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
We're gonna have to go with someone else instead. All right,
I'm gonna go laughing in my dumb Are you doing.

Speaker 7 (01:22:07):
Good? Evening?

Speaker 14 (01:22:08):
Everyone? I just wanted to get find some flowers on
you guys. You do a very very good job. I
think pictures fans like myself, we're very spoiled because we
get such good coverage stuff. You know, it's confident stuff,
it's not over exaggerated. You know, positive stuff about the team.

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Your balance, a great balance, and appreciate you all.

Speaker 5 (01:22:33):
Thank you. I'm going to study your check. Did you
have a question too?

Speaker 14 (01:22:37):
Or I got from the words of remember the Titans.
We got ourselves a quarterback. There we go, and one
last thing, one last thing. I'm little knit, but I
wish what I wish moving forward, especially against some of
these bottom feet of teams, you know, such as we

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played today. I wish we could send Kyles a couple
of those goal routes throughout the game, you know, until
he refines his route running. Let's send him. Let's send
him on a couple of those go routes, Go pats,
Thank you all.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
I think they're trying. I mean, it was another play impossim.
I'll let you do the Kyle wins No, no, because
I agree with you. I think where you're going.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
I think that they've gotten him involved today again, early
in the game, he's involved. I think they're trying to
get him kickstarted a little bit. I don't think he
has issues with rout running now. I don't think today's
route was particularly sharp, but I think that he has
had a couple of plays, He's had a couple of
plays dialed up for him. They haven't really been able

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to to hook up yet. But you know he's the
fifth receiver.

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
It's true, but the only summer time you'll get.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
And again, this is like the third time I think
that they've They've thrown the ball somewhere between let's call
it seventeen or eighteen and twenty three, twenty four times
and had like three or less incomplete passes.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
Yeah, like what do we?

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Oh, well, where's Chisholm, where's Williams?

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
Like who cares? That's really Nick? Who cares?

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Like the guys that he's throwing two are catching them.

Speaker 6 (01:24:20):
Right dig seven for Booty two for.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Two, look right down the line, Hollin's two for two
for two, Henry four for five, Douglas three for three,
hoo were two for two. Like everybody who gets targeted
is catching passes.

Speaker 8 (01:24:32):
When you're twenty one to twenty three, you're gonna have
a lot of One of them was Williams.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
Missus he had one target.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
But there was a third down incompletion to Williams early
in the game that led to the punt on the
one drive that they didn't score on in the first half.
And I don't think that was a great route bye
by Williams. And then there was a throwaway in the
second half. Those are the two incompletions.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Was the Jacksonville game? The Brady game of the playoff game?
Was that twenty six for twenty eight?

Speaker 8 (01:24:56):
Yeah, he was surgical that day.

Speaker 5 (01:25:01):
All right, Chris, you're in Orlando, Welcome in to the show.

Speaker 7 (01:25:06):
What's going on, guys? How are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
Chris?

Speaker 7 (01:25:08):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:25:08):
Are you hey?

Speaker 7 (01:25:09):
Guys? All right, So a little quick stat off the top,
and then I'm going to get into me like a
little schedule of question. Drake Bay just became the first
quarterback in Patriots franchise history to complete over ninety percent
of his passes in a game with twenty plus attempts
twenty one to twenty three and twenty two yards and
two touchdowns. First time Patriots franchise history gets a little

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nugget Tom.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
Brady in two thousand and we're going to annoy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
We're going to ignore that Tom Brady game.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
Okay, right, regular season in the AFL.

Speaker 7 (01:25:42):
In the Okay, I saw it on the Patriots social
media page.

Speaker 6 (01:25:51):
I can't argue with that.

Speaker 7 (01:25:52):
I called in with the last week. I called him
with a bit of pessimism. I'm going to call in
with some over reaction optimism Okay, looking at the schedule,
I have us losing to Atlanta, losing to Tampa, losing
the Buffalo, and then losing to Baltimore. Those are some
games I think we can win. Maybe we can lose
to Cincinnati. What have you? That will have us going
eleven and six. According to what I have with other teams,

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eleven and six still get us the seventh seed. According
to what I have for other you know teams, Buffalo
still have them going thirteen and four winning the division.
I know you guys have already done this. I just
want to know right now where you guys stand. And
if you guys think you know, ten and seven will
be good enough to land this team of playoff spot.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Getting too far ahead of yourself, Chris, I do think
that that would be good enough to make the playoffs.
Ten and seven and I think that's about where I
have him nine or ten wins, And I agree with
the way he said it. Those are games that you
would look at and say, those would be the toughest games.
They won't lose them all. Yeah, they'll win one or
two of those. But I'm going to tell you the
games that you that I'm sure you have in your
mind is already penciled in as w's like Cleveland and

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the Giants and clean both of them against the Jets,
they won't win them all. Yeah, right, they'll win the
majority of them.

Speaker 8 (01:27:02):
Miles Garrett the kid ward at cornerback. That's a challenge
next week coming up for them against Cleveland. Schwartzy on defense.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Yeah, and you see what happens when you turn the
ball over like Miami did, and all of a sudden
Cleveland gets thirty one point.

Speaker 8 (01:27:14):
Which they could score thirty one against Cones if they
were alone on the field right right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
But if you turn it over like they did, you
make it awfully easy for them.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
And you do what you've been doing every game this
year and come out and let the other team run
right down the field to start the game and spot
them seven.

Speaker 4 (01:27:28):
That's a defense that might.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
Be able to have that lead for a while, yep,
as opposed to the Patriots just keep getting that score
right back every time because their offense is playing at
such a high level.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
I don't know how it all has to play out,
but I think to get to that Buffalo game here
at home and still be in the conversation for the division,
and you know, to set that up.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
At I don't see any way that that won't happen.

Speaker 6 (01:27:49):
Yeah, it seems like a pretty good chance.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
I just think that that would be really great for
the franchise to you know, have a December game here
against the Bills, a lot of hype, you know, real
like some real stakes, you know, to that game first
time probably since twenty twenty one, where you came down
the stretch and you felt like, you know, this is
we're in the mix. We have a chance to really
do something here and get you know, some playoff seeding.

Speaker 6 (01:28:10):
So we'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
I just I don't think it's going to go You
can sit here and make any prediction you want. I
don't think it'll go that way. No, there's too much
weird stuff. But I just, you know, if Drake May
continues to play like the way he's playing and not
making mistakes, like I don't know what, I don't know
what the ceiling is. Like before I would have kind
of said, but you know, what's the wildcard? To me?

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
I'm just you know, I'm doing what I always do
during the postgame show, and I'm watching my red Zone
and I'm watching the Giants play and they've given Denver
everything that they want.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
You know, at Denver they got a thirteen nothing lead
and you know late in the second quarter, and I
don't know if they'll win the game or not, but
the Giants are clearly a different team. With Jackson Dart
at quarterback, they've been different.

Speaker 6 (01:28:48):
They're more annoying.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Everybody just has that. Everybody just you know, there's no
way they can lose that game. Well, I'm telling you,
I think there's a way that they can lose some
of these games.

Speaker 8 (01:28:55):
I don't want to pour water on it, but I
want to repeat what I said earlier when Paul said
in the in the pregame show, let's not get ahead
of ourselves. I think it's great that fans are interested.
They're looking at the schedule, win lose, win, win win,
What are they going to finish? Let's not get ahead
of ourselves here. This team is a work in progress
at five and two. I think Paul, you said earlier
in the week that you know, one of the accomplishments
maybe is already.

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
You can tell they're going to play meaningful games.

Speaker 6 (01:29:17):
They're in the mix. That's all.

Speaker 4 (01:29:19):
We couldn't have asked for more than that. Back in August.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Well, that was the goal we're going to be doing, right,
that was the goal.

Speaker 6 (01:29:23):
Everybody looked to change a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
Everybody looked at the schedule and said they should be
playing meaningful games when you get to November, and they
are right. You know, there's no question in my mind
that they're playing, that they're going to be playing meaningful games.
But I also I want to look at things from
both sides, and you know, I think I said that
they had all games, four of their seven games being
against teams with one win, you know, so like that's

(01:29:48):
an exception. There's a reason why we Let's go back
to the metrics, Mike, right, you know, we do the
pressure rate in the past, block win rate and all
this stuff. Well, the metrics of the schedule tell you
it's the easiest schedule in the history of football since
the sixteen game schedule was instituted at nineteen seventy eight.

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
So good for you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
You've you've played, and you've played four games against one
win teams, and you're three and one in those four games.
But again three and one, not four and oh right,
so don't just take the next four games you're playing
against the bad teams and just say when, when, when
what you're probably going to lose a game.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
I just like I wrote at the top of my
every year, I have a little spreadsheet that I put
the roster.

Speaker 6 (01:30:25):
On and do all my work on. And the first
thing I.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
Wrote was be the best of the bad, be the
best of the bad early on, and they're flirting with
it being the best of the bad.

Speaker 6 (01:30:32):
They're three and one, not four to ozh.

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
But that's what to me, what this season was about,
getting back on track. Be the best of the fourth
place teams, take advantage of this schedule, put together a
season to build off of, and that's and that's what
they're doing.

Speaker 8 (01:30:44):
And his introductory press conference, did Mike be able to
say take advantage out of bad?

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
But that was the second thing I wrote next to
because I felt like Matt it it kind of corresponded.

Speaker 8 (01:30:51):
It was like, all right, one the same when the
quarterback drops back and lets the ball slip out of
his hands, being possessed, be in a position, just scoop
it up and take advantage football.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Just nice seeing your kids, it's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
Pause to hold it in. Get some tissues.

Speaker 5 (01:31:14):
Eric in Tennessee. How you doing, Yeah, so back.

Speaker 11 (01:31:20):
Sorry I drove out of the car wash that we
should be good.

Speaker 5 (01:31:23):
Now, Okay he was in the car washed.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
You weren't done.

Speaker 27 (01:31:28):
Are you still in the car wash, Eric, I'm still
in the car wash, damn.

Speaker 28 (01:31:35):
Uh So here with my son, we're we're just again
stoked on the wind and.

Speaker 7 (01:31:43):
Cool.

Speaker 28 (01:31:44):
Just seeing Drake mate.

Speaker 27 (01:31:47):
Building over the past year and a couple of games,
and and then.

Speaker 28 (01:31:53):
Remandre holding onto the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
He took some.

Speaker 27 (01:31:55):
Hits similar to that yeah earlier and.

Speaker 28 (01:31:59):
Held onto the also like it's just it's great. I
don't know these uh, I just I'm super excited about
I kind of feel like we're back.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
Yeah, yeah, there you go. All right, shout out to
you here son, Thanks for calling back John and Vancouver.

Speaker 9 (01:32:22):
Hello, great show, guys. So I just wanted to say that,
you know, first of all, with Drake May, it's just
a phenomenal performance throughout the year. And one of the
things that I was really concerned about heading into the
season was that we'd see a sophomore slump, you know,
similar to what we've seen from maybe c J. Stroud
last year and the handful of other quarterbacks throughout the years.

(01:32:44):
But we're just really not seeing that that's a major
sign of encouragement. I would say, so, I love your
thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
Well, I mean, I think it's a little different.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
C J.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Stroud had an exceptional seasons rookie year, so it's kind
to you know, I would put Jayden Daniels in that
situation right now. Kind of hard to continue to play
at that kind of a level. Sure, Drake May didn't
play at that level last year, so a sophomore slump
would have been we need a new quarterback, do you
know what I mean? So, I think what Drake May

(01:33:17):
is doing now is kind of reminiscent of what Daniels
did last year and what Stroud did whatever three years
ago as a rookie, two years ago, whatever it was.
But the bottom line is you've got a quarterback. You know,
whether he levels off at some point, which is probably inevitable,
teams are going to adjust to some of the things

(01:33:37):
that he's doing at some point, and quite frankly, you're
going to play teams that are better than what you're
playing and they're going to be able to physically take
away some of the stuff that hasn't been But it
won't matter to me because he's showing you that he's
the guy and he's going to he's going to continue
to get better too.

Speaker 8 (01:33:53):
Speaking of the guy, I don't know if you guys
talked about is see where Drake was Friday night?

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
Yeah, Zavarian CM.

Speaker 8 (01:34:00):
Asked about that, and he was asked about that in
the post game and his face kind of lit up
about it, like he was sitting there going, I think
he lives in Westwood.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
I'm not sure, but he saw something that doesn't happen
very often. John DIBIASO team lost and he.

Speaker 8 (01:34:12):
Was pretty jacked up about it. He goes, I thought
everybody said, this is going to be a big game.
I wanted to go. I thought it would be cool.
It was a great atmosphere. So maybe a little bit
of Drake may kind of, you know, inserting himself into
the community a little bit, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:34:23):
I thought that that was really cool.

Speaker 6 (01:34:24):
And he chanced there.

Speaker 14 (01:34:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:34:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:34:27):
It's funny though. Sometimes you hear, especially on.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
Fridays, you hear players be like, hey with games that
tonight go high school games. They always talk about one
ago and I'm always like, don't come to my share.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Juwan Williams Jawan Wades used to ask me a lot, Like,
you know, what, what's a good game?

Speaker 6 (01:34:45):
Very in CM.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
I'm like, that's a that's a real ful I feel
comfortable my son's play. But I was like, I'm just
kiddings too far away. Matt jud used to go to
high school games every once in a while. That was cool.
A lot of guys go to the game every week.
I think Paul and I talk abou all the time,
Like I just I love going to high school football games,
in high school hockey games, and you know, really any
high school sport, but those two specifically for me, just

(01:35:07):
the atmosphere and and you know, and then somebody who
played hockey and you know, he just it brings you
back and reminds you of who you are, where you
came from, and the parents, and you know, just the
cow bells and the atmosphere. I just have more cow
bell That was. That was bad hockey. I do miss it.
I do miss it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
I was going to go my my my kids high
school played against fiend, So I was going to go
and see my boy.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
Logans, you know, busy, I decided to go and have
a few uh sud seas instead.

Speaker 8 (01:35:39):
Well, could you imagine, like you like if Logan looks
at you, goes, what are you here for?

Speaker 6 (01:35:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
I just came the game. I just can't. I mean,
your kid doesn't play, doesn't to give you a hug.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
My friends like to make fun of me when I
do that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
We're gonna at the South Beach, John, They're all coming out, Patty.

Speaker 29 (01:36:02):
Everyone was anybody else expecting to see h Hooper Moss
somebody today because I got up off my couch.

Speaker 4 (01:36:10):
That Yeah, that was very Randy Moss. Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:36:16):
So two things, one one good sign. One thing that
I think is a little bit troubling. First, I think
the total number of penalties against US was a normal
number of penalties versus other games. I don't think it's
you know, I don't think we're quite a discipline team yet.
But I was pleased to not see a flag on
every other play because of something we did on something

(01:36:38):
that I think we could work on or that's troubling
to me. I think this team really missus Gibson, especially
on those Steakoffer terms. I think sism looks kind of slow,
and we returned one that was going to land on
like the one yard line too. I was like, oh man,
so definitely need help there otherwise I'm like, like, right now, simple.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
To Bliss that I kind of agree with that point,
especially with Gibson, Like I just think he was a
good like piece that and there were a couple of
times early on where he kind of sparked the run
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
He runs and it's been twofold. But because you've lost
Gibson on that kick return, you've had to lose Henderson
because they now can't afford to lose him. So I
do think it's taken now. Aside from the touchdown that
Gibson had, I don't think the kick return game has
been all that strong that. I think Gibson had one
other one against the Raiders that was decent, but for

(01:37:29):
the most part, they really didn't get much out of
the return game, but it was nothing compared to this.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
The last two games they've gotten absolutely nothing. They've been
bottled up inside the twenty five on a consistent basis,
and Johnny's right that you know they're getting a penalty
a week. I think on those kick returns, they had
one last week, they had another one today.

Speaker 8 (01:37:48):
Point of them was just maybe before the trade deadline.
Do you think trying to find somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
They need a running back. You can't go with two
running backs. I don't think the whole where's the Antonio
Gibson out there? You know that kind of return kicks?
Can you know be that second back bringing a little
bit of a burst. That's what Gibson was was so
good about it, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:38:05):
Quick side by Barron Gibson by the way, yesterday wise,
he still throws a community block party in Mattapan. Gibson
and his wife were there supporting, and that's making a presence.
So despite being on IR, I love to see that,
like you mentioned, being an embedded.

Speaker 6 (01:38:18):
Yeah, and should be back next year.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
Yeah, they're gonna continue to add to that position.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
Yeah. Absolutely. All right, let's see what Brad in California
is telling us.

Speaker 30 (01:38:26):
Hey, Brad, all right, all I gotta say is you
guys better start clearing out space and Patriot placed next
to Tom Brady for this dude, because please, Brad, this
man is my savior, He's my king. But in all seriousness,
in all seriousness, am I misremembering the first couple of
weeks of the season when we were talking about maybe

(01:38:48):
having to just deal with Drake May's inconsistencies in the
short game, like this guy has been nearly perfect in
almost all of the games since maybe week two. And also,
before I take the answer off their I need an
obligatory Marty Mapu snap count was out there to ye,

(01:39:10):
yeah and all.

Speaker 4 (01:39:11):
The hits to that. I got you, I got you, Marty,
Maddy Page Hope please come hey, Francesa, can we get
to get one? Martin? Where are you?

Speaker 5 (01:39:27):
What you're gonna do when they come?

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
So so clean off, make some space, twenty snaps, make
some space next to Brady statue.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
You think they got ahead of myself? No, I do know, Brad.
I'm just heasing because I know Brad. Brad said that
he was he was just trying.

Speaker 8 (01:39:44):
I think I think next week's are real tests, a
real I'm not telling you that the last three games
weren't tests.

Speaker 6 (01:39:50):
They aren't. But this Cleveland team plays really good defense.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
They they do play good defense, but they have absolutely
no offense.

Speaker 8 (01:39:57):
No, I know, thirty one point and the kid through
an eighteen times their first round whatever, fifth round.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
Pick yeah and two has scored a lot of those
points for them like that. I just think he had
at least three picks. It's kind of for me a
nice next step because you expect that this is going
to be a good defense and it's going to maybe challenge. Yes,
I defense good off there and let you let Dylan
Gabriel go right down the field on the first two drives.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
And just so that that's what I want to see
if that happens and they have a little support from
their offense, Like, if you don't get support from your offense,
I don't care how good you are defensively, you're not
going to stop the Patriots all day because you're not
giving them any reason to want to stop anybody that
like Cleveland has giving up some points. Cleveland GetUp like

(01:40:41):
forty one to the Ravens. It's their only win, you know,
Like so they if the Browns have that success early
in the game that every other opponent has had, then
it could be game on. Yeah, it could be game
on because you want to give them ten points in
the first quarter and all of a sudden they're playing
defense like, hey, we we got this. We we we

(01:41:02):
can stop them and figure out a way to stay
in this game. Then I agree with Matt Miles, Garrett
can ruin a game they they have, they have some
pieces in place on defense. But I don't care how
good your defense is. If you can't move the ball
and score, you're not going to stop teams.

Speaker 4 (01:41:19):
Yeah, no exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
I mean, I just it's a terrible offense.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
But the defense is they are physical, they swarm to
the ball. There's not much space. It's gonna be tough
sledding to try to get that run game going.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
Next, you keep the game close and Quinn Sehn Jenkins
can run the ball instead of having Dylan Gabriel have
to throw.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
Yeah, well, I mean, Matt you said it. I mean
you have sports. I mean he's you know, been forever,
but he's aggressive. I mean, they're gonna come and it's
gonna be it's just gonna be an interesting should be
an interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
And I also think, and I don't want to like
this is I'm gonna get made fun of. I know
this week, but it's one of those you know how
I always get concerned about random things. Sometimes you get
a long road trip and that first game back after
a long road trip can be kind of a letdown.

Speaker 6 (01:42:00):
Excellent point.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
You see how I get how I get?

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
I like the point a lot. Yeah, I get mocked
on my own show.

Speaker 6 (01:42:11):
You the interim coach.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
I'm the show.

Speaker 6 (01:42:13):
Sorry, I knew we get to upset it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
How will we ever sleep? Oh boy, I don't worry
when the final thoughts and words thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
I just can't say enough about drafting.

Speaker 5 (01:42:26):
Yeah, give him more flower.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
I just the level of difficulty on some of the throws.
This is like, there's not a stat in football that
I can't stand more than completion percentage. It means absolutely
nothing to me.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
It does.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
It means nothing to me. The throws that he's completing
at a ninety percent level today were not checked down,
Charlie all themself checked down.

Speaker 8 (01:42:49):
Charlie, Sorry, trust you, he said. I don't want to
be checked down. Charlie said that in the post.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
Game, he throws the ball down field and not wide open.
Guy like tomorrow. Douglas was open last week. Anybody could
have completed that pass. The stuff that he completed to
Holland's booty digs, they were all reasonable Hooper, they were
all reasonably tightly contested.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
No thanks stuff Again.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
I'm not here to talk about completion percentage because that
generally means that you're throwing all passes that should be complete.
He wasn't throwing all passes that should be complete.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Today, No, all over the odd Now great kid, got
to keep it, got to keep it rolling. But they
got some momentum now and it's it's starting to pick
up steam. So carried into a tough Cleveland team and
play well and continue to work on the things that
they've been You know that they're obvious what they need
to work on and they got to fix those things.
But they're coming together.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
And they heard your segment. You're building a legacy.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
Yeah, listen to my segment.

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
Well, I think that does it for this week edition
of the Patriots Post Game Show presented by DraftKings. Thank
you so much for tuning in another win in the
books for the Patriots, for Matt Smith, Paul Parrillo, and
Mike do So. I'm Kuannie Lunis. Thanks for watching. Hey
this is Alex.

Speaker 31 (01:44:01):
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